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rancid silo
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relict

solid seal
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Equip the item and go kill stuff. The first time the item levels up will make it legendary and add a random affix to the item. You can keep leveling the item until all the Weaver's Will is used. Each level either upgrades one of the added affixes by 1 tier or adds a new affix (2 prefix, 2 suffix maximum). There is a natural bias towards upgrading existing affixes.

obtuse jolt
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For items that say they drop from specific bosses, such as the unique idol "Throne of Ambition" that drops from God Hunter Argentus - can these ever be obtained from Circle of Fortune prophecies, or are the prophecies only good for obtaining random unique drops?

unreal nest
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Boss drops = Boss Drops

solid seal
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Ravenous Void is the only item in both the random loot table (extremely rare drop chance) and a bosses loot table (very rare drop chance).

jolly trail
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I haven't done enough to know but I feel like there are different bosses.

native isle
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it's random, just annoying when you have a prophecy for a particular guy

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going to avoid those in the future

jolly trail
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Yeah everyone avoids arena pretty much.

solid seal
native isle
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I don't mind, I've got multiple x7 unique ring prophecies going right now

crude rune
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is everything dropped in CoF (even non-tagged items) marked as untradeable? or just tagged items are untradeable

pastel tangle
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everything

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other than from soul gambler

solid seal
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Items that dodge it all and drop naturally have no faction requirement

crude rune
solid seal
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no, loot with rank requirement locks to the faction it benefitted from.

crude rune
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uh, so i can't use items dropped from a MG char (not bought, just drops) for a CoF char?

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also, i meant those without faction requirement

solid seal
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MG only gives faction requirement to items traded

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MG does nothing to items before being traded

crude rune
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yeah so i was wondering if CoF tagged EVERY item drops or just items buffed from CoF or from prophecy, basically do you drop "basic items" without any requirment that MG char could trade/equip?

unreal nest
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all items dropped under CoF are untradeable - but not all are tagged to CoF - you can wear untagged items while aligned with MG

crude rune
solid seal
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if it benefits from CoF, it's tagged with a faction requirement. If it doesn't benefit from CoF, it doesn't get a faction requirement. Items can still drop with no faction requirement while being aligned to CoF

solid seal
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I swore that was possible

crude rune
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so everything is either tagged CoF with rank reqs or straight up tagged untradeable (which can be still used by a non-CoF char, but not sold)

unreal nest
crude rune
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yeah gift are different from trading

pastel tangle
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cof boss drops still drop as untradeable

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so if it dropped with no tag while you were cof it's a bug

blazing gale
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Got a rune of ascendance, what do I gamble on?

solid seal
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whatever you need. if you are rank 2 cof, use the rune on an item with CoF faction requirement for a chance to preserve that rune

blazing gale
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Dope

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Uhh

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Today I learned runes of ascendance can fail

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Cool

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Oh

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I’m a dummy, I use a rune of duplicating

finite charm
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Man.... That sucks. Those are hard af to come by

blazing gale
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I misclicked

vale haven
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When I have an item that says CoF Rank 5, does it mean my alt must be in CoF Rank 5 before it can use it? 😦

finite charm
vale haven
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oh nice. thanks.

solid skiff
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is there a weaver's will prophecy for relics? If not, will the regular unique ones drop weaver's will ones?

sage pond
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There are specific weavers ones yes and also unique items with weavers there will also work

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So unique relics for example can drop weavers will ones

grand parrot
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what's the best lenses setup to find lp3 items?

foggy shell
gleaming ridge
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There should be a rare favor that cost 100k that give 3lp 😀

jolly spire
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100k is way too low

native isle
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anyone willing to Uber me to Etendell in Divine Era? I can pay 1 gold for the trip.

jolly trail
native isle
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okay, 2 gold for a trip to Etendell

grand parrot
jolly trail
grand parrot
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got it

jolly trail
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this is useful too

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r10 doesn't double runes which sucks

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rares are always a better source of exalted items. esp if u only need them for legendary since the subtype doesn't matter

grand parrot
jolly trail
proper glen
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Any idea where we can farm belts at? Any tips? Looking for ward threshold ones

jolly trail
proper glen
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Nah it’s not the experimental ones

grand parrot
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What do you mean where? everywhere 😄

proper glen
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The rejuvenating chain belts

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Ahh

grand parrot
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just adjust your loot filter to it and go for a grind, and take prophecies for belt, and a blessing for better chance

proper glen
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Okay thanks!

gleaming mirage
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For unique belts you can also pick the echo that has them as a rewards but that's not super impactful with prophecies being a thing

light finch
jolly trail
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rare's are often a specific drop

light finch
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What’s the new meta for lenses wealth and rhyme? Block dungeons or arenas as the third?

jolly trail
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even not picking the arena ones u will see the item u want much more

somber kiln
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someone dropped ravenous void with a cof tag and not from the boss (i have a screenshot)
does anyone know what happened there?

jolly trail
quaint bloom
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is there a place to ask for support because i just finished the whole main story on my second character and the fortune guild is still locked for me

unreal nest
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You can select it in the first town if its an alt - or in the observatory. Otherwise #1210281997591908452

finite charm
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Jeeezus, pushing 510 corruption and not dropping a single omnis, 60% of the uniques I need only drop at LP1.

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😡

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Some serious feels bad RNG

somber kiln
jolly trail
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with the reduced lp chances its probably going to be 0

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i wouldn't plan anything around them or try and farm them. if u get them randomly then reconsider

somber kiln
jolly trail
finite charm
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Yeah, basically the best thing to try for would be the red ring, but with a 0.1% per 10k tries of ascendance, it's still a crapshoot

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runes of ascendance are good for when you don't have any unique gear yet, and are still in early levels, but i haven't found them very useful in the late game

somber kiln
somber kiln
finite charm
jolly trail
somber kiln
somber kiln
jolly trail
finite charm
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It does not

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weaver's will is unaffected by the ascendance stuff

jolly trail
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i get that dam ring all the time

finite charm
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yep, same.

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sucks

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lol

jolly trail
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dont even keep the 20s anymore

finite charm
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yeah, i've been selling them for the 500g whenever i can

jolly trail
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i stopped vendoring stuff a long time ago lol

finite charm
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If you're MG then cool man (or have an MG alt)

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for those in CoF, gold is not as easy to come by, especially doing dungeon runs or buying shitloads of tabs

jovial karma
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Im new to last epoch and joined the CoF anyone got a good list of best lenses to use ?

finite charm
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Unique drop and exalted drop rate until you can get to level 8-9 then lower corruption, and double drops from prophecies

jovial karma
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thank you so much! I probably only have about 60+ hours in the game so far. you are amazing for answering though<3

finite charm
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Good luck! also if you're following the maxroll guides, keep in mind they kind of drop off when you hit level 90ish and start pushing corruption, at that point you'll have to switch to something stronger (especially if you're still on leveling gear)

jovial karma
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I went from their lvl falconer to kripps dragon song build. Clearspeed went up tremendously. I also self crafted alot of my gear besides the uniques. been going well so far. super amazing game

finite charm
tame flame
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This might sounds stupid but I have been grinding for specific class items and have not found any. Are certain items locked behind needing to be in COF or MG or am i just getting super unlucky

finite charm
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there's no content locked behind factions

jovial karma
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I wanted to go the ballista explosive trap build but I couldnt find a bo's anarchy or apogee so i went for kripps build because all 3 uniques he uses I dropped in 1 monolith

tame flame
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Yeah I have gone onto the website and made sure to farm the right islands for the items. Right now I am going for a catalyst and when i can actuaslly find a catalyst specific reward island i never get it

finite charm
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Also, make sure to farm prophecies (it can sometimes help)

finite charm
tame flame
finite charm
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so i'm just grinding until i can get LP2+ versions of the gear before making the full switch... it's been painful to do that

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Oh, i have a few of those

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your best bet is to farm the mono while also getting prophecies for it

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it's supposed to be a common drop so you'll likely get it sooner or later

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The RNG is horrid sometimes though

tame flame
finite charm
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The XP (tomes) echos will give you a lot of favor

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farm those

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also (i haven't tested this myself) but at a certain point it's worth switching the "unique drop rate" blessing for the experience one

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since it should also yeild favor faster

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which you can use to do unique prophecies anyways

tame flame
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yeah i didnt even think to do that cause i just thought the more uniques the better but everything is saying the prophicies are so i will definitly switch

fast island
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40 x 2 boots prophecy no 2LP drop tell me why should I still with CoF?

finite charm
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Once i hit level 10 i think i will switch

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i'm almost there

fast island
finite charm
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Also, awesome anime (username)

tame flame
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me to but when i switched to MG it takes so much to get to the point to buy uniques and legendaries and they are all super overpriced rn

fast island
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Its pretty heartbreaking when you see 80 boots on the ground but no 2LP

finite charm
tame flame
finite charm
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eh, i sell all that crap, at least i get some (crappy amount of) gold for my time wasted

fast island
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They need to improve CoF.. At this point I feel like I have to quit my job inorder to actually get something I want

finite charm
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i'm the lone holdout

fast island
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Oh and the boots that I want, is actually just 3 million on MG

tame flame
fast island
tame flame
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Ok

finite charm
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Also, there's a few discords that track prices for MG stuff, you can hit those up and then sell exalteds at a few hundred thousand gold

fast island
finite charm
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either that, or the RNG is super screwed here

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straight up, my brother has had 6 omnis drop since he hit 200 corruption, i'm on 500 and haven't had a single one drop for example

fast island
finite charm
tame flame
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I haved had to reset my islands corruption multiple times because I just cant get the drops I need and it becomes impossible to play. If its gonna be that monotnous I might aswell do just gold and then buy it all

fast island
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Also you spend tons of favor rerolling so theres that

finite charm
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i went to the furthest nodes, and even did the reroll reward ones

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yeah, CoF needs something. The whole level 9 reward is useless

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and there's no increased drop rate for boss uniques, or anything at all to be able to match the buying power MG offers

fast island
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Or make lvl 10 guaranteed 1 lp

finite charm
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i have a feeling that a lot of people will switch sooner rather than later unless they have some sort of moral objection to the trading/economy part

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Do a bug report

fast island
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tbh 2600 is pretty worthless

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just move on

finite charm
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there's no fix

fast island
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you get it back easily

finite charm
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yeah, a single echo or boss kill will get you 2600 favor

fast island
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ahhh well you might have clicked the "x" button on your prophecy

tame flame
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I just had to reroll 23 times to get a catalyst prophecy. Like if my luck with that sucks how will i ever get the actual catalyst

fast island
tame flame
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Yeah and I dont have much favor so i could only get one prophecy

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Absolute waste

finite charm
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I wonder how many players CoF has vs the MG at the moment

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i mean, reddit is full of threads where people are basically saying the same stuff we're saying here, so we're clearly not the only ones

tame flame
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Yeah im probolbly gonna finish out the couple prophecies i have left and then switch

modern iris
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cof is good just for dopamine and ssf. thats it.

finite charm
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i'm looking at the prices right now for MG

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and wow...

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i can buy most of the gear i need for almost nothing

fast island
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Just spending all my favor then switching to MG.. ill have to use the r**

finite charm
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(if this is accurate)

modern iris
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if you are playing meta build or any ward build you better be a billionare

finite charm
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I am playing a ward build, but the prices on barbute and exan don't seem that high

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at least for LP1s (which is what I have right now anyways grinding CoF)

modern iris
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well lp1 is free yes

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mg is rly good to activare build and for 1 lp cheap gear

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but you rly need some cash for lp2+

finite charm
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I have 2 ocearons that have dropped randomly (no CoF tag)

fast island
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you can start of at 1lp which is very cheap

finite charm
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red ring i'd save for

fast island
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but it takes forever to find in CoF

finite charm
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I'm going through my gear now to see what i can still use

modern iris
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idk im playing ssf. i have no mg 😄

wheat pollen
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for farming a timeline the best strat is hover around 300-500 if you can comfortably clear it and then just get the echo that reverts the completed echoes yes?

finite charm
wheat pollen
fast island
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nope not higher drops

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but higher rate for getting favor

wheat pollen
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and higher chance at better drops?

fast island
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that theory has been debunked multiple times already with datas

wheat pollen
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where?

fast island
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100 corruption you get the same amount of uniques as 1000

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but you get more favor from 1000

finite charm
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interesting

wheat pollen
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From my experience I disagree

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I've been getting more uniques at ~350corr vs 150

fast island
wheat pollen
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I noticed a pretty good increase in drops.

fast island
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100?

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200?

wheat pollen
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bruh idk

fast island
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exactly

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the data they presented costs millions and millions of favors spent

wheat pollen
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what I do know is I instantly notices more unique drops once hitting 300+ corr from when I first started empowered monos

finite charm
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or gain specific blessings such as the increased unique drop rate?

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that all count be accounting for your experience

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Personally, I don't know either way

wheat pollen
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also yes I am in CoF but have been the whole time

fast island
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exp is better to target for CoF

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more exp = more favor

wheat pollen
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right which is why I did that

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I think it's a 9/10 currently will eventually prob go for the 10/10 cause I need another lp strand of souls anyhow

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but more important things to farm first.

fast island
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but its a different story when I use 300k worth of favor and not get atleast 1 2LP copy of my boots

wheat pollen
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that's wild

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what pair are you going for?

fast island
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blood of the exile

finite charm
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Man... I've farmed BFD, have about 15 pairs of the freaking LSOTL boots and only 1 of them dropped at LP2

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exang, I have like 10 LP1s, none higher than that

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the gloves, only 5 or so LP1s, none higher than that

wheat pollen
finite charm
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only LP1s as well

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actually, just 2 of them

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the non LP i sold

wheat pollen
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I got a singular 1lp pair and missed the slam 😭

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So I should def go for static shell chest on my runemaster before the boots then is what I'm hearing?

fast island
finite charm
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Farming those boots is a pain. I actually was using those before switching over to Last steps

fast island
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getting this boots to 2lp

wheat pollen
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yikes

fast island
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when it is not that expensive in MG

wheat pollen
finite charm
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it's not supposed to be

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it drops from BFD boss

wheat pollen
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hmm maybe I'm unlucky then

wheat pollen
finite charm
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Right

wheat pollen
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I got multiple non lp versions of them

finite charm
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I pushed that mono to 520 corruption

wheat pollen
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oh wow

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I just broke 400 corr on my runemaster last night

finite charm
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^ Loot i've gotten from that mono

wheat pollen
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but then again my Rm was my 3rd char. I kinda gave up on my falconer and warlock xD

finite charm
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None of it is above LP1

fast island
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ive never seen a unique drop from Exiled mage at 800 corr

finite charm
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but i made my own build

wheat pollen
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if I wanna lvl an alt the fastest way is get to waypoint before temporal sanctum and kill Julra yes?

finite charm
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CoF feels bad man

finite charm
wheat pollen
fast island
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make lvl 9 = guaranteed 1LP / lvl 10 duplicate

finite charm
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Hmm, the blue hoodie guide on youtube has a video on it

wheat pollen
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I did the campaing on all 3 chars as I went thru with friends on my 2nd and 3rd char

finite charm
wheat pollen
fast island
finite charm
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Ahh

wheat pollen
finite charm
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Yeah LP1 or above for Level 9 would be great

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I think that level 5 or so is supposed to do that

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but it doesn't seem to do a great job

wheat pollen
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increases the chance or whatever I think yeah

finite charm
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level 6, yes

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supposedly 100% increased chance of LP

fast island
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and u know whats funny?? you need to spend 59k favor to get a guaranteed 1LP drop

wheat pollen
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Is there a specific best way to target farm items btw? Other than same type of prophecies etc?

upbeat hatch
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just know you cant target farm boss uniques in prophecies

wheat pollen
fast island
wheat pollen
silk turret
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tried searching, didn't find an answer, does corruption affects the profecies rewards?

finite charm
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@fast island ^

wheat pollen
# finite charm No

another change I wish they would change and make the prophecy drops better from higher corr

finite charm
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This is also interesting

silk turret
# finite charm No

thanks! guess I'll stick to getting dungeon profecies then, which seem quicker to complete

finite charm
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it seems that some uniques (like ladle) actually go down in drop rate the higher the corruption goes?!?

wheat pollen
finite charm
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wtf

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No wonder i haven't seen a single ladle in the 500 corruption mono

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the last ones i farmed were in the 200 range

wheat pollen
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thankfully I got a nutty lp3 ladle early on and got cast speed crit multi and chance to stun

finite charm
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So, based on what i'm learning, having a mono sit between 400 and 500 corruption for omnis (supposedly) is going to be where you want to be, then other monos you want to keep between 100 and 200 so you can get stuff like ladle

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this is wack

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wtf is the point of pushing corruption past this then?

blissful lichen
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Do +3 frost claw relics even exist Im struggling to get one lol

wheat pollen
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yeah that is def whack asf

wheat pollen
blissful lichen
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ty for the tip

wheat pollen
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I actually ended up getting 2 yesterday and thank rngeesus I got +3fc on my heart

wheat pollen
upbeat hatch
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oh lol i thought it was +3 LP not +3 claw

blissful lichen
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I found 1 but it was only +1 but I got a 2lp heart just waiting to get slammed lol

wheat pollen
wheat pollen
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thankfully I hit the +3 on it. Just be patient it will come

wheat pollen
blissful lichen
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Already planning on it

silk turret
# finite charm this is wack

Yeah, I agree, it should be always additive (more items) like TheCurse said

Maybe there's a pool of items on a mob that can drop, and as you push corr, that pool gets overriden by something of "higher rarity" instead of simply adding more items

finite charm
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Huh, just got an LP1 ocearon... that's the first time I've gotten something that hard to find in over 300 hours of game play

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Unfortunately it has the CoF tag

finite charm
silk turret
wheat pollen
finite charm
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I dunno if the fact that I"m running the game on proton has anything to do with it. E.g. calculations I presume are done at a lower level (GPU/CPU) for loot probably locally so that the servers don't have to perform those and save EHG compute time

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i've been suspecting that proton maybe messes with this, since I keep seeing the same items drop for me over and over and over and over with rarely any of the items i'm actually looking for dropping, and if they do drop, it's not LP or LP1 at most

finite charm
wheat pollen
# finite charm Probably last steps

ok thx. I just gotta figure if they are better for the nova claw build as that's what I'd use them on and also I need to make up some of the points for red ring bonus

silk turret
finite charm
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I think it is indeed local (manipulating that would require you to do some lower level stuff while in game) -- and AFAIK, some people have actually done that in the offline mode

fast island
silk turret
finite charm
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From a SWE perspective, what you can do in online mode to prevent tampering is something like this:

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Pull the loot table from an API online, but do the calculations offline on what it is, after the calculation is done, it posts back to the server with the result

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that would save on cycles on the game servers

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since loot tables can be cached

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offline is a bit different since the loot tables would also have to be offline, and players can modify those

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but the calculations would occur offline in both modes

silk turret
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yeah, it would be hard to manipulate the calculations at runtime indeed, that makes sense

finite charm
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But learning this means that I have zero incentive to push further corruption until i make my build much better

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could I? sure, it would be much more difficult, but if i can get the same stuff at lower corruption and clear monos faster to get to that loot then...building your gear at lower corruptions makes way more sense

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from an efficiency standpoint at least

finite charm
fast island
finite charm
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Do you get a lot of the same stuff as well? Have you had luck finding what you're grinding for?

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I'm really really curious if proton is affecting this stuff

finite charm
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E. G. How fast you can clear vs longer times but higher favor

fast island
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And u use those favors to reroll for prophecies

finite charm
fast island
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and find out "ooops im out of favor trying to reroll for prophecies'

finite charm
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Like, if I can clear a mono in 1 or less minute, at 500 corruption, but at 1k corruption it takes me 5 minutes

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Assuming the xp is half at 500, then doing those is still better than 1k

fast island
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but im a degenerate using runemaster sooo

finite charm
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On corruption

fast island
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yeah not a lot of class can clear corruption at faster speeds

finite charm
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Right. And so, there's gonna be a point in which staying at a specific corruption level is gonna be more efficient for favor even if you can clear higher corruption levels, simply because of the speed

fast island
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heres what u can do

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do u need any boss specific drops from mono?

finite charm
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This is especially true if there's no gains to be made on loot

silk turret
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maybe you are not praying to RNjesus correctly 😆

finite charm
finite charm
wheat pollen
finite charm
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Then, yes, the best other boots are the exiles

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At least, that I've seen so far.

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Also, the chariots are pretty good

wheat pollen
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yeah I don't do areans lol

finite charm
wheat pollen
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I won't need omnis or barbute if I can get a static shell with int

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I am sitting at 169 with no int on chest atm

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but barbute may be good for the build

finite charm
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Oh that's wild. I have a few of those at lp2

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But no use for it

wheat pollen
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I wish. Best I found is 1lp

finite charm
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The shell

wheat pollen
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oh

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so lucky. I've only found one at 1lp

finite charm
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I have 1 barbute at lp2, the rest all no LP and a few at lp1

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But that and the boots are the only LP2s I have

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For my own gear

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Got a crap ton of lp3 and even 1 lp4 gear, but all for other classes or builds 😂

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When I'm done with this set of prophecies I'm switching to mg. Just checked my gear and I can re gear without much work luckily

wheat pollen
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yeah I feel that. Only got lucky and got 1 3lp piece of gear for my build

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aye nice

finite charm
boreal plinth
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do people just not care about the condition of prophecies thinking "one day i will do this dungeon/monolith" or do you reroll until it's a condition you will do right away?

thorn ember
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to me, id prefer the ones generally does the same so that it all comes done in one go

tame basin
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i just buy ones i know ill do eventually, like ill have like 8 to kill abomination saved up and then ill just go hit him

finite charm
tame basin
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go with an empty inventory and take what u need 😛

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shatter the rest

finite charm
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You can't shatter uniques

tame basin
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well ya i guess, ive gotten like 24 exalted boots before never those kind of numbers on uniques

finite charm
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when you're level 9 or above, you use the lense that doubles rewards

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you hit up the unique prophecies for specific things to farm for what you need

tame basin
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im 10, i dunno i guess my filter is pretty strict

finite charm
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Gotcha -- I don't like filtering uniques

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at worst, i can sell it to the vendor, if it is usable i keep it in case i make an alt

ancient turret
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Hi, I was wondering if anyone had a basic Immolator's Oblation, I have been farming Soulfire Bastion T3 with a quite a lot of keys and haven't had any luck. It would be greatly appreciated if someone would let me have one.

unreal nest
ancient turret
cunning beacon
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It is tradeable/giftable but u need to play together for some time and get a Golden Resonance.

ancient turret
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I'm happy to level a players toon for one if that works, then it would generate resonance too if thats a good idea

cloud urchin
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I'm so confused by the prophecy thing, I thought I bought one from the telescope but it just rerolled the entire constellation without taking any of my favour?

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it just did it again

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can someone help?

urban kelp
cloud urchin
tropic elbow
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I chose this faction.. did I make the right choice ? 🤔

lunar escarp
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Depends on what you want to get out of the game

stray geyser
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Hey quick question as I'm starting to push into around 150 corruption. The exclusive echo rewards are just for uniques per slot or do they effect the whole timeline. Meaning if I'm trying to target farm belts no one timeline has more belts?

slim veldt
stray geyser
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Yep I understand those and I'm using them. I'm just noticing not many belt drop nodes on the timelines, as an example. Was wondering if there's a way to adjust the node modifiers in a timeline to have more belt nodes for example.

white narwhal
jolly spire
silent wadi
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Mates hello, for current meta builds like nova runemaster or detonating arrow marksman is COF good choice? cos even exalted items to slam are very expensive atm.

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Level 10 mg and 8 CoF atm

light finch
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I dunno MG seems to be better later into the cycle

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Half my buddies swapped over to MG all lvl 10 and takes a couple items to sell and gold isn’t a problem for them

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I’m cof about to slam my 4th 2LP jelkhors, he’s done about 14 and a few 3lp ones

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RNG is annoying lol

static badge
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lol yeah you are right 🙂 even prophecies are not helping?

light finch
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To be fair though they been 100 the day of the power level nerf, I was at work so I’m little behind lol

jolly spire
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CoF is for the super long term
MG prices will never get better until the next cycle comes around

light finch
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200plus hours in since 1.0 my third char going to hit 100 this weekend, but all my gear is cof tagged or cannot be traded. I think boss dropped loot shouldn’t get tags

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The first cycle is hard to compare because no one understood how MG worked, hence all the great gear for zero good early on

light finch
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CoF starts off stronger I feel until MG has enough items for sale

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But 1 month on the first cycle isn’t enough data to make conclusions, with set items being trash and glyph of despair going to be price adjusted in the future again

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Why CoF?

rigid turret
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best place to farm Favor?

jolly spire
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high corruption monos

rigid turret
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ok thanks

random plinth
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Go for experience book reward, those give more xp/favor than the whole echo

light finch
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Xp shrine right before still works?

worn geyser
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So cof is easier to lvl up than MG ? And if switched to MG you get same rank lvl 10 ?

static lintel
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anyone else feels odd about having to unequip items dropped via CoF if you're feeling like switching to MG to check the goods?

charred current
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Seems odd to be able to just drop CoF and come back with the same rank after checking good

light finch
finite charm
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Higher corruption seems to straight up break some RNGs like red ring, ladle, etc

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I was pushing close to 600 corruption on my build right now, but i'm gonna lower it for the next week and stay on CoF for a bit longer to see how it impacts my RNG personally

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if i still can't find what i'm looking for then i'll switch over to MG

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apparently there was a fireside chat with the devs and they said that the intention was for people to sit between 200 and 300 corruption and that builds pushing over 1k are straight-up stuff they missed...which makes sense

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esp if the RNG shown above is accurate

solid seal
# worn geyser So cof is easier to lvl up than MG ? And if switched to MG you get same rank lvl...

Leveling CoF/MG is the same. You collect experience/favor at the same rate. You earn rep at the same rate. 2 rep for earning a favor. 2 rep for spending that favor. You spend favor by buying what the faction offers. In CoF, the vendor has items you can gamble on and lenses. Telescopes offer rerolls and prophecies. In MG, the vendor has items you can gamble on too. The bazaar offers opportunities to list or buy items. Both have strategies that burn favor to earn rep. List/Delist. Buy/Delete prophecy. Gamble/Vendor.

MG does not inherit your CoF rank when you switch. Faction rank is shared across all characters in a given game mode. If you switch factions and the result leaves no characters in the prior faction, that prior factions rank still gets preserved if you decide to switch back. Switching factions causes the favor to reset on the prior faction. So going from CoF to MG resets the shared CoF favor to 0. Any active prophecies on the character that switches are wiped. Equipped lenses possibly get deleted (? have seen a few mention this). If you level a new character and simply join a faction, there is no prior faction it switched from so nothing bad happens.

finite charm
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@worn geyser the benefit of MG is being able to get exactly what you want faster, and more specific

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in CoF you're at the mercy of RNG

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but leveling up in both is the same, it's all based on experience

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the benefits of CoF levels affects RNG to an extent (e.g. more unique with LP chances, more exalted chances, etc)

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if you want to craft more, or you want to grind for your gear, then CoF. If you want to be able to buy exactly what you want, then MG

rare shoal
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Hi so i unlocked factions and chose circle of Fortune but what do i next?

I have three prophcies but what do they do?

finite charm
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@rare shoal in-game, press "G", then search for circle of fortune

charred kiln
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Anyway to speed up the levelling from Rank 8 - 10 CoF? it just takes forever

finite charm
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@charred kiln farm XP tome echos and you can also switch the Unique Blessing from FotO to the Experience one

solid seal
# rare shoal Hi so i unlocked factions and chose circle of Fortune but what do i next? I ha...

At the top of the stairs in the observatory, there are 4 telescopes that offer specific rewards pointing in each cardinal direction. North is armour, South is accessories, East is weapons, West is idols/keys/crafting mats. Click one to open up the telescope screen which loads up constellations with prophecies on each star. (https://imgur.com/q7Gv1qb) You can switch between telescopes from the telescope screen by hitting the N/S/E/W directions on the sides of the telescope viewport.

If a prophecy is available that has an event and condition your willing to do for the reward it lists (https://imgur.com/rxRPC87), then you click on the icon or star and confirm the purchase. If nothing appeals to you, you hit the reroll button. Whenever you buy a prophecy or reroll the constellation, a new constellation with new prophecies are presented. Note: if you attempt to reroll then cancel, you need to either reopen the telescope or switch to another telescope then back to reset the reroll button.

You can manipulate what appears using lenses (bottom left corner in the telescope screen), which are purchasable from the vendor at the bottom of the stairs. Lens slots and lenses unlock at rank 2 and more becomes available as your rank increases with CoF.

You can have upto 48 active prophecies, which can be found in the faction panel under the "Prophecies" subgroup. (https://imgur.com/7ItslaG) You can talk to the NPC in the center of the telescope floor to view your prophecies. You can also access the factions panel from anywhere by its keybinding.

Once you have your prophecies, you go out into the areas that meet the conditions of a prophecy and kill whatever the event required. Once the event progresses with the completion of an event, the rewards will drop at your characters feet.(https://imgur.com/rxRPC87)

solid seal
# charred kiln Anyway to speed up the levelling from Rank 8 - 10 CoF? it just takes forever

Earn and spend favor. 1 favor = 4 rep. You get 2 rep for earning the favor by killing monsters and collecting XP tomes. Increased experience from corruption, increased experience from echo affixes, increased experience from blessing, and increased experience from shrines, all scale up experience gained from monster kills (doesn't for tomes). You get 2 rep for each favor you spend. The double use lens and double rewards lens both increase the cost the favor spent and are generally 2 of the top 3 lenses for each telescope (item type are better for idols/weapons). Spending favor also applies to the rerolling constellations at the telescope, vendor purchasing lenses, and gambling for items.

fringe patio
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I'm so tired of Abacus Rods -.-

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I just want a Marina's Lost Soul with LP Facepalm

foggy shell
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Probably rare AF, i got a stash of wands, but only one of those.

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Huh, only 30% reroll LEtools says...

mossy fractal
finite charm
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Some items straight up end up with 0% drop rates at higher corruption

frosty pelican
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You talking about 0LP? @finite charm

finite charm
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Talking about specific uniques at any level of LP

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Or even 0.

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Ladle, red ring, etc

spare valve
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just farm red ring with prophecies

frosty pelican
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That's really interesting. I wonder if the weightings are getting skewed by one of the bonuses

finite charm
finite charm
spare valve
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oh mb, didn't see the context before putting out that message

finite charm
mossy fractal
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I'm not saying you are wrong @finite charm just wanted to point out that it does not really proves that. Atleast not from the one video I refered to. I mean red rings are so uncommon that I would not use that as any kind of proof. But again sure it could be the case.

finite charm
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Top that with devs saying that they expected people to sit at around 300ish corruption and well... who knows what's happening with RNG in the 1k range

mossy fractal
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Nah... not THE conculsion. One conclusion.

finite charm
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Um. Ok man. I mean, that's not the only video talking about this. That's why I posted 2.

frosty pelican
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Are you talking about the curse video?

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I need to watch that

finite charm
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the other is the one you posted @frosty pelican

frosty pelican
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wait. I did watch that, and commented on it lol

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Yeah 100% agree there is some fishyness with some of the "drop bonuses"

mossy fractal
finite charm
frosty pelican
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yea my video is not 100% conclusive, but it's pretty damn close

finite charm
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Well, either way, I was pushing close to 600 corruption, and ladles for me dropped to 0% drop rates long before that. In fact, the last one i dropped was in the 200-300 range

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so i'm gonna lower corruption and see how it impacts my RNG

frosty pelican
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yeah my theory was that something with the logic of how items roll is actually "pushing" other rarer drops out of the loot table

mossy fractal
finite charm
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What I got from @frosty pelican's video is that one should still push corruption because you can get exp which translates into favor

mossy fractal
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Oh I see now. I stand corrected.

finite charm
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but he didn't talk about drop rates explicitly. He just showed the data

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but he's here so i'd rather he mention it explicitly

frosty pelican
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You are correct @finite charm

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That said, it did seem to provide some interesting data on CoF rank 6 "double chance of LP"

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Considering I dropped no 0LP of certain items

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rarity is a different topic though

mossy fractal
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Yeah corruption is ofc great for favour. But I also wonder about some things seems to be "pushed" out the table thing.

finite charm
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of any LP

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but at 100 you dropped quite a few

frosty pelican
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I dropped 4 but each was duplicates, so 2 actual drops

finite charm
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ahh

frosty pelican
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it's just noise I'd say

mossy fractal
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But that I would not use as evidence of anything.

frosty pelican
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I also think my video shows we can't really equate the drops from prophecies with "high corruption issues"

finite charm
frosty pelican
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Even if something weird happened with my data, that doesn't mean we can conclude it is corruption related, like what Curse is testing

finite charm
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So, interestingly enough, curse suggests the same thing you suggested here

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that at higher corruption, more common uniques are pushing out the rarer ones out of the loot pool

mossy fractal
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The red ring thing is not something I would use for my work as evidence for anything. "noice" as Frozen also wrote here.

finite charm
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that's why that's a great example to use

mossy fractal
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Not with just 2 drops. Then it means nothing.

finite charm
frosty pelican
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I am a little bit weary of trusting data from unknown sources though personally

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I put a significant amount of time and care into the data I collect

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I'm not sure if everyone else will do the same

finite charm
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I am not sure about the Curse's methods of collecting data

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but i do find this to be extremely interesting nontheless

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and I suspect something is going on at higher corruptions because my drops at 600 were worse than lower corruption

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Like i said, I lowered it to 400 and i'm gonna run through this week keeping it there and compare

frosty pelican
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I trust Curse's data personally, I just don't trust community data. It only takes 1 person trolling or being careless, etc. Or even the self reporting bias where people are more likely to report data perceived as abnormal

finite charm
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That's all true

proper glen
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yall think they will ever buff CoF?

frosty pelican
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One option would be to run x number of maps until we drop say 1000 rings in 100 corruption, then 1000 corruption

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and see what % of those rings are unique in each

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isolates rarity, i think

frosty pelican
finite charm
proper glen
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okay cool, i missed it. Ofc dont want it to be unbalanced, however, i think everyone agrees its a bit lackluster

finite charm
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cause you'd have to do that for each item, or at least keep track of each's drop rate

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you'd also have to track it across multiple accounts since I think RNG calculations are done locally at the CPU/GPU level

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I think the rates are pulled remotely, but the actual drop happens locally

frosty pelican
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I assumed RNG calculations were done serverside

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I can't imagine the game would let clients calculate their own outcomes

finite charm
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It couldn't be cause then you'd have no offline mode

frosty pelican
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offline has a totally different engine / system, etc.

finite charm
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from a SWE perspective, what you can do is have an API that can tell you rates per instance

frosty pelican
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EHG has said that the port from offline to online was extremely hard specifically because of stuff like this iirc

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and I am a SWE too

finite charm
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I dunno, CPU cycles being performed for each loot item all at the same time, i don't know that it would be great on cost

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but you can save on costs by doing that locally

finite charm
frosty pelican
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I just think that would open a massive potential vulnerability

finite charm
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I dunno, i think hacking lowlevel calculations at the GPU / CPU level is not something most people can do, or spend the time doing

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can it be done if it's done this way, probably, is it worth the effort?

frosty pelican
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yea but someone with the skill could figure it out and sell their work, as happens often in other games

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Theres a big incentive

finite charm
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What's there to gain though

frosty pelican
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Well considering there are a lot of gold sellers right now, i think the market exists

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for some sort of RNG exploit, would have a big monetary incentive

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I could be talking out my ass, I just don't think they would let RNG be calculated client side

finite charm
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Maybe. I just think that serverside it's gonna be a lot more costly to scale

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but, that's a whole different conversation

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i do still think it's worth looking into the effects of corruption on the RNG itself

frosty pelican
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I'd be curious how blessings fit in too

finite charm
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100%

frosty pelican
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Alright gotta run, cheers folks! I made note of that, will get to it if I can make through the rest of my backlog

finite charm
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Right on man. Also, thanks for your content

frosty pelican
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Not a problem, glad to make it 🙂

finite charm
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Btw, think about how JWTs work, you can do stuff like that i presume to do remote RNG calculations from client to server using encrypted data

finite charm
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I'll sub to your channel, will def wait on more stuff like this

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very interesting

echo tangle
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Looking someone to boost my alt, i have 40k favour and can get prophecies you want

finite charm
echo tangle
solid seal
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Do prophecies simply ignore the lens multipliers and go by a fixed internal value depending on which lenses are equipped? The "Exalted Body Armour" reward prophecy has a base cost (no lenses) of 1000 favor. If I equip only a 2x Use lens (80% more favor cost) and spin rerolls to get that prophecy again, the cost is 2000. Similarly for the 2x Rewards lens (90% more favor cost), the cost is 2000 as well. When I equip both 2x Use and 2x Reward, the cost of the prophecy is 3500.

frozen urchin
frosty pelican
solid seal
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Weird rounding is what prompted me to look closer. "Unique Ring x7" with a double rewards lens costs 9001 favor (base cost 5000).

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Rune x11 has favor costs of 1100, 1750, 1750, 3250 (base, use, rewards, use+rewards) which would be +0%, +59%, +59%, +195%

finite charm
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print(x)
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= 9001.0

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😂

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there's some weird double magic going on in their code

solid seal
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wouldn't shock me if floats were used

finite charm
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it's def not python but yeah, rounding functions usually use doubles so

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there's that

finite charm
frosty pelican
# finite charm Btw, think about how JWTs work, you can do stuff like that i presume to do remot...

I don't know, your JWT is more just to verify that you are an authenticated user making the request. The JWT itself shouldn't contain specific information about the request, that would be a separate part of the payload; https://jwt.io/ the JWT itself would contain a token passed to the client when they authenticate.

Even still, you wouldn't trust a payload of data sent from the client to the backend as truth and just write it to the DB or whatever, the client would ask for some change, then the backend would also perform some sort of validation, never trusting that the frontend is correct or trustworthy. Eg. the client would say "update x user to admin" and the backend would need to verify that this is actually a valid request.

Though at some point the server must trust something the client sends, so maybe there is something to that. Either "hey I just killed a boss, generate loot", or whatever

finite charm
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such as roles

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this data cannot be manipulated

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Though at some point the server must trust something the client sends, so maybe there is something to that. Either "hey I just killed a boss, generate loot", or whatever
Yep

frosty pelican
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I mean, the JWT itself could be manipulated, but the encrypted data itself, I guess you would need to know how to mess with that

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like you said

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like that piece of the payload, I suppose

finite charm
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Well, there's actually a shared secret between the client and the server. The client knows how to read the encrypted data, but it doesn't know how to encrypt it itself

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if you look at a JWT, you'll see it's encrypted

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The following shows a JWT that has the previous header and payload encoded, and it is signed with a secret. Encoded JWT

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It doesn't mean that's what the game currently does

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it's all speculation

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on my part

frosty pelican
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yea idk, I guess it makes sense that at some point the server must trust something the client says

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otherwise the game would need to be entirely serverside, client just literally sending key inputs or something

finite charm
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it's just as a dev, if i wanted to save on server costs and wanted to offload computations, that's how i would approach it

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right

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which cannot be the case

frosty pelican
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yea fair

finite charm
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besides that, my GPU ramps up every time i enter an echo

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so does my CPU

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now, the GPU is rendering enemies, sure, but the CPU is probably handling calculations regarding other things in the game

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In gaming, the CPU is responsible for executing the game's logic, managing AI, handling physics simulations, and other computational tasks that are not directly related to graphics rendering

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so yeah, that makes sense to me

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TBF i'm not a game dev

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I mostly do web dev and a lot of internal applications around business processes but i can take some guesses as to how some things might work

frosty pelican
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same I'm a full stack, I have made a small game in C# though

finite charm
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Yep, same (full stack)

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I've messed with c#, mostly helping out my wife

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but i'm doing a lot of python, java, typescript, php, etc

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it's been a long time since i messed with any of the C languages

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I run on linux and mono is not great so I haven't gotten a chance to play with C# that much

frosty pelican
finite charm
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Very interesting

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You don't need to send every roll that gets made, you just send the resulting drops.

Edit: also, modern PRNGs can produce gigabytes of randomness per second, so rolling is absolutely not the bottleneck.
Especially this

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so maybe some microservices dedicated to that on an ELB

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That makes sense as well

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So, through this lense, @frosty pelican, based on what you said in your video

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is kinda like, as the higher corruption goes, then each chance of LP (e.g. 0, 1, 2, 3, 4) for the more common uniques basically push out the more uncommon uniques out of the loot table

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if corruption is a weighted variable in the calculations for loot

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is that correct?

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At least, when taken together with what The Curse is saying in his video

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that would also imply that higher corruption should generate higher chances of higher LP though

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at least for common uniques

frosty pelican
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I am pretty confident that the LP rolls do go up with corruption, not 100% sure, but it seems right, however for rarity itself there might be funkyness

finite charm
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Yeah, if that's true - it means that there's weight problems with the loot tables

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It's like an inverse pyramid at higher corruptions

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where the top gets wider and the bottom gets narrower

frosty pelican
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granted, IF it is true (not actually sure) that lower rarity items appear more often, you would expect to see more LP, since they have LP more often

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vs rarer items, typically

finite charm
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Yeah, i mean, it makes sense. It just feels bad that basically it could mean the more corruption you push, the less chances of rare uniques you'll get

frosty pelican
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like, "damn look at all these 3LPs" but they are like, the Tongue ring or whatever

finite charm
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yep

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TBF, that's exactly what i've been experiencing btw

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the higher corruption I go, i get LP3s and even LP4s

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but it's common uniques

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and the chase uniques I barely see them, and if i do see them, a lot of times they drop with 0 LP

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like exan, or barbute

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like i said, for ladle, i haven't seen one of those in a long time

frosty pelican
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I know it would never happen, but it would be cool to have the chance to dig through the LE code.. I'd do that for hours for free even trying to find bugs lol

finite charm
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😂

livid spruce
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that's a new addition with 1.0, so it's in the patch notes if you want to check - they've got the ballpark numbers in there, too

frosty pelican
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@livid spruce I wasn't doubting whether or not it was a "feature" in the game, I was more commenting on whether or not it actually worked as stated

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Average legendary potential and weaver's will now also scale up slightly with corruption. For example, Uniques have around a 5% higher chance for 1+ LP at 100 corruption, 10% at 300 corruption, and 14% at 600 corruption.

is the quote from notes

tulip whale
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do you lose your prophecies if you switch to mg?

solid seal
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yes.

hazy elm
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only getting more raw gold from chests...which is pointless, and big favor

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and its stupid that drops are the same on 400% rarity and 1400%

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maybe its just bias, but really cant see it at all

finite charm
# hazy elm and its stupid that drops are the same on 400% rarity and 1400%

So, there's an argument as to whether that's true. What we think is happening is that while you get higher LP chances at higher corruption, it actually inversely impacts rare drops e.g. they get pushed out of the pool because the common uniques and all their variants (lp 0-4) end up weighting a lot more than the rarer uniques

midnight pollen
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Hello, thank you for all the statistic but i have a question with the exalted item. Do you know how the corruption increase the luck to have tier 7 item pls?

livid spruce
finite charm
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If that's the case then it's even more difficult to explain how some items just seem to disappear at higher corruption, while others seem to have lower drop rates

livid spruce
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Confirmation bias definitely explains it, but I can't say I've done enough testing to say everything is working as intended or not with any statistical significance. Also I haven't looked at the code, just relaying info from sstuff the devs have said.

potent current
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Im trying to complete the monoliths on a new character again to unlock corrupt, os it faster to skip tge enemies and knock out objectives or to kill all enemies for stability

hazy elm
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maybe the sample is too low, but with laddle and other uniques like merophage/spear the drop chances arent low...its not omnis or rav voids those are all common uniques

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and there are several people i know that blasted past 1k cor with same expirience

gilded nimbus
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help guys

rough depot
white narwhal
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I'v looted only 2 mad lp1 in corr 100, from 100 to 500 nothing

rough depot
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Guys I have 78lvl runemaster mage, where can I level up the fastest? Monos, arena, dungeons?

velvet matrix
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Monoliths are pretty good. Get the XP buff blessing and target XP tomes as a reward.

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But I'd only hit the Monoliths as an XP farm when you unlock their Ascended version, the level 100 minimum ones.

glad totem
livid spruce
broken spade
outer shoal
livid spruce
teal karma
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convinced wraithlord helmet doesnt exist

foggy shell
teal karma
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ive done like 15 prophecies today for all helmets

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convinced snowblind is only helmet in game

foggy shell
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lol!

broken spade
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just be patient ^^ all the sudden you'l get 8 wraithlord helmets at once, and you stop picking up 2LP ones cause you have too many of them lol
suffering from success..

teal karma
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what are the odds

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i got one

jolly trail
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im probably 600k favor into my red rings and jelkhors. gotten 1 0lp RR and a few lp2 jelks

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i stopped buying runes of ascendance. they are just way too annoying to deal with

broken spade
graceful kestrel
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what are the best lenses to use for at CoF level 9 for monolith farming

candid summit
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How many belt prophecys do you need to get a jungle queen belt???? I try for 2 days now and not a single one and i need one with lp and zombies on potion use how many years do i need?

jolly spire
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is this a bad time to say i got 2 lp jungle from a random mono?
just keep grinding, get lucky

finite charm
candid summit
finite charm
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@candid summit you can also always try the lightless arbor

candid summit
finite charm
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Along with targeted prophecies, and farming the belt timeline

finite charm
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You can buy chests with uniques

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Also, get the blessing for increased belt drop rate of that's what you're looking for

candid summit
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Is 2mil enough

finite charm
candid summit
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Is it worth running t4?

finite charm
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If you're just after the loot in the chests you buy, t3 should be fine

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Be smart about how you spend your gold at the end

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You don't have to accept all the offers

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You can skip some to try to build chests that will benefit you

cobalt cove
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just LF for a tp to the observatory... IGN: knife_reborn

finite charm
jolly trail
cobalt cove
jolly trail
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id steer clear of runes of ac. they are a lot of extra work for crappy results

finite charm
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Getting online soon

cobalt cove
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sure... I will ping you should I get a tp before you login... thank you

finite charm
foggy shell
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Anyone here tried the Ornate Idol lense, or other idol lense? Did it feel like it worked? Feels like i'm getting more of other idol types instead of this, but idk the base % chance.

finite charm
cobalt cove
finite charm
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teleporting to observatory now, teleport to me

split turret
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Do prophecies have a chance for better rewards if completed in high corruption? Did 2 T4 arena rewards, each with 10 chest pieces. All of them were common-ish and no LP or 1LP. Also among the 20 there were only maybe 6 different ones

finite charm
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RNG is funky in this game

split turret
finite charm
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We're not sure if it impacts prophecies

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there's no testing done on that yet

jolly trail
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did anyone make a proph calc by item? would be interesting to see one with LP in it similar to the runes of ac calc

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also if anyone knows of a good source of info in json format i could probably make one pretty fast

split turret
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Just did a 10 relic prophecy, and 5 of the relics were Grimoire of Necrotic Elixirs, and I'm rank 9, so they're not duplicated. 3 of them were Melvern's Writ.

midnight pollen
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hello, yesterday you speak about that the prob of each unique is not the same at low and high corruption. Someone has the prof or it is just a theory pls?

finite charm
jolly trail
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proph aren't impacted by anything. so theirs are fixed

finite charm
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drop rates don't increase at all

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check out the videos

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Only benefit to pushing higher corruption is higher exp which means higher favor

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drop rates are the pretty much the same at 100 corruption as 1k corruption, with the exception of some items that seem to disappear at higher corruptions

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Not sure about prophecies though, those may not be impacted

midnight pollen
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for the lp chance, it is normal. The increase is very low.

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with ln law, this is only +16,58 for corrup 1000.

jolly trail
finite charm
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The second video is specifically talking about ladles

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so he's talking about mages and their drop rates

jolly trail
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you would need 1000s of data points

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unless someone made a logging addon tool i don't see any type of sampling being a reasonable approach

finite charm
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Lol ok

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i mean

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at low corruption 23 mage kills got ladle drops

jolly trail
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you can't draw any reasonable conclusions from a data set that small

finite charm
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at high corruption, much less, if you average that out even, and do a cut off, it still shows that to be the case

jolly trail
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back to the point i just made

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dataset is not remotely close to being large enough

finite charm
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Well, you should put out a dataset out there if you want 🤷‍♂️

jolly trail
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A for effort tho that's a lot of work

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never said i would

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doesn't change the facts

finite charm
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On a separate note: I'm trying to determine what to slam into my helmet right now for the torment warlock, intel or + spell damage for curses

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they both seem to scale DoT from plague and fissure

frosty pelican
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The unique thing could also be specific to drops that are gated to a certain event like a boss or mage kill I was thinking. Not sure if the same is true for random uniques that can drop anywhere

jolly trail
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all the sites have listed probabilities tho. there is likely a data mined source. id like to compile a list of proph just using the avg chance

frosty pelican
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Even if we know the drops that doesn't mean the logic that rolls for loot necessarily works exactly as expected

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It's a complicated system lots of potential for error

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It is hard to get a big sample size though for sure

solid seal
frosty pelican
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Community sourced iirc

jolly trail
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unless they published the variance it would have to be sampled from a massive dataset as well

solid seal
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yep, sourced through twitch chat

jolly trail
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like wow for example has huge variance in their rng rolls

frosty pelican
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I controlled for that to some degree by excluding extremely unlikely events from both the expected results and actual results

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That were outside significance given the sample size

jolly trail
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i only started in 1.0 this doesn't have addon support right?

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or does anyone know if there is a way to get drop info that's not against tos

finite charm
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maybe offline

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since mods can be used offline without worrying about ToS stuff

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at least, that's what I suspect

solid seal
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no official addon support. it is a unity-based game so libraries/tools do exist to mod the game for either offline or online. Online will probably get you banned if they ever scanned for it

finite charm
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^ yep

foggy shell
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Finally CoF 10, just in time for idol duplications 😄

solid seal
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incoming the disappointment from bad idol rolls

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owait, that was always there

foggy shell
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Well no it was pretty good actually! Got some nice heal effectiveness & armor shred on melee hit, as well as some smite on throwing \ armord shred on throw for other build

wooden wasp
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Are Lenses broken?
I got 2 Lens Slots, I've put in [Boots] and [Uniques]
I rerolled 10 times, not a single Prophecy of Unique Boots at all

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no "just bad ones", none at all

jolly trail
wooden wasp
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12th reroll - first Unique Boots Prophecy

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with lenses, that cant be right

frosty pelican
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I'm not aware of json format data but shouldn't be too hard to convert

finite charm
frosty pelican
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Legendary potential level

finite charm
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Ahh, ty

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Why does it go to 120?

frosty pelican
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Dunno. No items have 120 iirc

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Think the bird chest was 115

midnight pollen
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hello, and for the exalted tier 7. Any idea pls?

foggy shell
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Idea for what?

midnight pollen
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if the corruption really scale for the loot*.

foggy shell
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you get more rarer loot, yes

midnight pollen
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okay, but how is the increase because for lp is very slow.

naive void
clear burrow
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Hi guys i am considering to swap from Merchants guild to COF

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is there a way to farm gold in COF as that is my concern

naive void
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not really, but you don't need gold nearly as much in cof as you do in mg

foggy shell
clear burrow
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What if i need a lot of stash tabs i cant have them`?

naive void
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your best bet for farming gold would be to get the gold drop rate blessing from fall of the outcasts and then just spam monos

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compared to the inflated prices of LP items the cost of tabs is miniscule. I'm well over 100 tabs and it's costing me 500k per tab, which I don't have any issue managing

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I also hoard way more than I'll ever need

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the biggest gold sink as a cof player would be lightless arbor

clear burrow
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what corruption you at?

naive void
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depends on the character I decide to play, but mostly 300-500

clear burrow
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soft or hard?

naive void
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softcore, legacy, many characters, only ever cof, most of my playtime and items are from beta

clear burrow
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oh really cool

naive void
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I also bought nearly all of my tabs before the tab cost reduction, so suffice to say you can maintain gold

clear burrow
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i am finding it extremely hard to farm some items in HC while none is selling them and the DG is extremely deadly

naive void
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however, I also used to sell arena keys... 😢

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is there a separation between hardcore and softcore mg?

clear burrow
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ye its different

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not easy to sell , not easy to buy

naive void
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oh yeah I can imagine hc mg is pretty rough then

clear burrow
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Why is lightless arbor t4 have a skill that is instant cast gives you 0.1 sec to dodge and one shots you

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throwing the stone minion is crazy i cant do it in HC none have farmed the core of the mountain

naive void
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haha yeah the t4 dungeon bosses can be really nasty, especially lightless

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for the first phase of the boss I recommend standing towards the middle of the arena while you burn the roots so you can move right or left easily depending on the slam

clear burrow
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yea ill try that

naive void
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for the second phase the DoT beams are the most deadly attack. when it shows that it's going to happen you should immediately run to the opposite side of the arena since the beams don't go all the way around

clear burrow
slow yew
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its funny...I can do T3 arbor asleep ...but damn the boost in boss dificulty for T4 is insane...i think closest ive gotten is got him to like 10%. Always insta kills me with what seems no time to react 😦

light finch
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play with 2 ppl makes lightless alot easier

slow yew
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im offline

frail hare
naive void
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that's good to know

jolly trail
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the reduced chance for lp on runes of ac must be very significant some of these very low LP lvl items i def see LP0 on frequently

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even the doubling of LP chance is a reroll not a flat double otherwise it would be impossible to get lp0 on some items

jolly trail
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frozensent didn't get any 0 lp on the 20 and below lp lvls.

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so maybe it is doubled and not rerolled

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@frosty pelican on your calc for LP % i did notice a difference between yours and the LEtools. quicksilver lp lvl 30 is showing 43.98% vs 34.51% on letools. id think the cof bonus would push some off the table slightly adjusting the %s for some of the lower rings. did you do your sampling as cof? it looks like all the %s are not cof specific in the calc.

solid seal
# naive void I wrote a bit of an essay on my thoughts on monolith boss unique farming with Co...

reading through that essay and I have to ask. You know you don't have to take a prophecy on a constellation and can reroll your constellation, right? My gameplay loop is to take prophecies with the rewards I want that can be completed in either the Death timeline or the Dragons timeline. Those are the only timelines I really care about farming. The only rare monster events I skip are "Death of Amber Elemental" (Lightless Arbor only) and "Death of Void Horror" (Doesn't spawn in Death/Dragons, Void Horrors from Beacons are a different NPC type). I also take prophecies in the Outcasts timeline and just repeatedly kill the boss (occaissionally reload on stability). I don't need any of its boss drop uniques and already have the blessing I want, so the penalties for not completing the objective do not matter. You get charged 50 corruption for starting the encounter and 750 corruption when the objective completes (undocumented nerf in 1.0.3, used to be free). The latter never happens if you never talk to the NPC. So yea, CoF really isn't prohibiting me from doing the timelines I want to do. There is some additional rerolling, which has a fixed cost, and I have to expend a little energy to have the self-restraint to not buy every prophecy.

hazy elm
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used to be free? it was a bug lmfao

solid seal
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they raised the cost from 0 to 50.

hazy elm
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i was talking abt charging 750 for completion

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previously u could farm one boss nonstop without paying 750 for killing it

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and it was a bug

frosty pelican
jolly trail
frosty pelican
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Also some values are cumulative, others not fyi

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Iirc LETools is not cumulative

jolly trail
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i was looking at the cor vs lp page

solid seal
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Pre 1.0.3 - You get charged nothing for starting the boss quest echo. You get charged the full stability cost (800 for abom/formosus) for completing the quest objective.
Post 1.0.3 - You get charged 50 stability for starting the boss quest echo. You get charged the remainder of the stability cost (750 for abom/formosus) for completing the quest objective.

This isn't a bug. This was simply balancing.

frosty pelican
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I'll check in a bit

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Wait no maybe not hm

jolly trail
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on le tools it says lvl 100 area

frosty pelican
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Yes mine is hard coded to lvl 100

jolly trail
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was this yours or someone else made? it doesn't match letools for what ever reason

frosty pelican
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Oh that no that's not mine

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It's correct though

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But it's cumulative

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1LP % = 1Lp or higher

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Check the numbers against LETools they match

jolly trail
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that seems like an odd way to do it when having each lp tier in there

frosty pelican
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It makes sense when you consider how LP rolls are done. The game first rolls for 1LP, if it passes it rolls for 2LP, etc.

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So technically a 2LP passed the 1LP check

jolly trail
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i see how u back out the other tiers in the weight section

frosty pelican
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Yup

naive void
# solid seal reading through that essay and I have to ask. You know you don't have to take a ...

yes, of course, but spending a chunk of favor and rerolling over and over until you get the prophecies for the timeline you're trying to farm isn't a particularly enjoyable or engaging experience. my argument is that target farming for specific boss uniques is at odds with using CoF as intended, and that CoF was designed to give players an additional layer for influencing their drops, not something you need to fight against in order to get value out of it

jolly trail
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for cof though a flat 2x on the non-cumulative should be correct tho right?

frosty pelican
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It seems to be yes

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I went over all that in my video tho

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But I dropped 0x 0LPs of anything under a certain LP level

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Which points to that being the case

jolly trail
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yeah i noticed that. it's def not the case on acsendance. they must of nerfed the lp rates to the ground

frosty pelican
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The runes? They've also had reduced LP

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Always*

jolly trail
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i stopped buying them even tho i just need lp0 red ring

frosty pelican
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Pre 1.0 at least

jolly trail
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i wish they were stronger for cof

frosty pelican
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Indeed yea it's stupid that there is a perk for it but they still suck

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Good for finding rare items but not for getting LP

jolly trail
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no r10 bonus and the lp nerf makes them pretty bad

frosty pelican
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I did have a video planned on that specifically already though

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To analyze those runes

jolly trail
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i think a list similar to rune of ascendance calc would be useful for cof. you could see how many proph it takes to get X lp item

solid seal
jolly trail
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i only target rare items but having something showing me how bad it's gonna be would be nice

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a speed farming table for favor per hour could even show the hours it might take to get

frosty pelican
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That has a lot of variables

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But you could estimate yea

jolly trail
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the first part wouldn't be really. just using all the lp rates that you used

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estimating the hours would take some guesswork

naive void
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I don't have exact numbers at the moment, nor do I have time to play right now. I will say that I intend to use prophecies to target specific item types that I need, so rerolling to get prophecies that both fit the item type I'm looking for and the timeline I'm trying to farm is not an enjoyable experience

solid seal
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@frosty pelican do you still have monolith blocking on the lists of tests you want to try?

frosty pelican
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It's on my list yea

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I actually used mono blockers for my 100 corruption test

jolly trail
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i couldn't find any community api or data dumps with the game data tho

frosty pelican
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Since a lot were other timelines or 100+ corruption, etc. And it seemed to help

jolly trail
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letools has everything but i didn't see any api from them

naive void
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regardless of rolling and my specific solution, cof still does nothing to help the boss unique grind, and I think it should since merchants guild has tools to get the boss items you need

jolly trail
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ive had countless people tell me it's supposed to suck much more and the two faction system is only to help ssf. that feels pretty short sighted tho. i think a 2 faction system can work if they just tune the hours to get x item out some more

solid seal
jolly trail
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compared to mg that is nothing tho

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cof needs a giant increase in drop rate to really get close

solid seal
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stop comparing to MG. CoF will never match it without raining rewards on every kill

jolly trail
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thats akin to saying it's a 1 faction game

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i hope that's not their goal

naive void
midnight pollen
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@frosty pelican hello, a huge thanks for all your video. In the futur, would you test the exalted tier 7 VS corruption with the rare rewards prophecies?

jolly trail
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you build a whole game around two factions and 1 faction takes 10x the hours to gear out it's not a great system in my opinion

naive void
jolly trail
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i personally dont wanna play in the swiper faction lol

naive void
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the entire point of CoF was to give players that prefer the ssf playstyle another avenue for influencing their drops. In most cases it is successful in doing so, however it does nothing to give you more opportunities to get boss uniques, and the prophecies are designed in a way that heavily incentivize you to not target farm specific timelines

jolly trail
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ill swap next season or just quit if cof doesn't get boss drops next season

midnight pollen
frosty pelican
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The rate of T7? T7 VS T6? Rare prophecy vs exalt? Corruption vs exalt?

midnight pollen
frosty pelican
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Honestly you probably want to push regardless up until the point where you slow down

midnight pollen
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okay, this is what i think like all the hack and slash.

frosty pelican
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But yea I'd also like to know how corruption affects exalts, but those are multiple tests otherwise you don't know which variable is causing the difference

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Important to isolate as much as you can

midnight pollen
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but, if you only use the rare rewards propheciesfor the exalted, you have isolate the problem or not really?

frosty pelican
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Well if your goal is to record the rate of exalts in say 100 corruption vs 1000 I'd probably make sure they all come from the same source yea

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But we don't really have a baseline either, for all we know prophecies give fewer T7s than natural drops

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A lot of testing to be done still, it's on my list though

hazy elm
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i personally dont feel a difference in exalted or unique drops,but im playing mg tested 1.2k cor vs 300

midnight pollen
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okay thank, really nice. I keep all my unique amulet with rewards but this is between corrup 100 and 400.

hazy elm
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if there is one...its hard to see it even after hundreds of hours of farming

jolly trail
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If they did a survey asking if they think the factions should be able to farm similar gear in the same amount of time I think people would overwhelmingly say yes. Esp all the new 1.0 players who weren't aware of the status quo.

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I hope they put up a survey like this and I hope they have been doing a lot of logging.

frosty pelican
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I'm thinking I do see more uniques tbh actually

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Most maps I see multiple

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Vs 100 not every map

hazy elm
frosty pelican
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But it's just a feeling, no data yet

jolly trail
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We can target farm everything but boss uniques. It just happens to be that they are key to most builds.

hazy elm
jolly trail
frosty pelican
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Even as an exclusive CoF player, I do think MG should be a bit stronger at least at the top end for min maxers. Otherwise there is no incentive to ever play it. CoF is easier than learning the entire market, pricing items correctly, knowing what to sell, and spending the time messing with the market stuff

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I do think dedicated players should be rewarded for that commitment, effort and skill

hazy elm
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well it is, and its not just boss drops getting inventory full of 3-4lp items with double exalt slam is fully possible on mg and i have 2 characters like that, meanwhile COF players see 4lp items once in 2-4 weeks and only if they tryhard and ofc it wont be the unique u want but some low lvl trash

frosty pelican
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I just think the gap is a bit too large currently for a few specific aspects of item acquisition

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One example is that I've easily killed over 1k exiled mage and never dropped a T7 low life glove

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Even a bad one

jolly trail
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The swipers are outliers. You can't expect anyone to get close to them.

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Exiled mage is a boss drop

frosty pelican
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I'm not even talking about RMT, that's a separate problem

hazy elm
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gap will always be very large and nothing wrong with that, COF has insane potential as it is now imo, boss drops maybe need some adjustment but u dont need more than 1lp on boss drops, thats for mg not cof imo

jolly trail
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They can 100% tune it. Saying it will be large is assuming they do nothing

frosty pelican
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Yes I am mostly okay with CoF. Just a few QoL improves and some way to integrate the items we don't really get any benefit towards acquisition like boss drops

hazy elm
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not sure how we started talking abt rmt and swipers, i played legit and got insane gear both on my lich and pala without any issues

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i actually got better loot in 5 days of MG than in 5 years of early acesss

jolly trail
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I don't think cof would have any issues if they added boss proph

frosty pelican
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Bross mentioned RMT which was not what I meant, so I clarified

jolly trail
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I personally think r1 should stack with all drop rates. My point is there is a lot of things they could do if they wanted.

frosty pelican
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I also have pretty great gear with CoF and am happy with the acquisition process. It would just be nice if the CoF theme (prophecies) could somehow be expanded to include boss drops / exiled mage items so they could be targeted

jolly trail
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I bought into the whole targeted system to find out most of what I need I couldn't target.

midnight pollen
frosty pelican
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Actually now that we are on the topic, I actually had LESS trouble farming LP twisted hearts than the exalted relic affix I needed lol