⭕┃circle-of-fortune

[noble wedge]

i have gotten everything else from the loottable many times over

[umbral quiver]

feel like finding something doesnt exist..

[noble wedge]

wonder if its downright bugged and not dropping

ppl claim 8% droprate which is utter nonesense

looking at the propability of NOT dropping with 8% after 65 tries is (1 - 0.08)^65 = 0.0044280118807714

[sturdy pond]

definitely a skill issue

[noble wedge]

seems so

[dawn galleon]

CoF Rank 9 set drops is really bad imo. What are you gonna do with 20 of the same sets? Most classes dont even use sets. Rank 9 is such a waste.

They should make it so Rank 9 makes "Increased Boss drops". CoF needs some love, this would be that love we need

[sturdy pond]

rank 9 gives you your 3rd lense slot that is massive

[dawn galleon]

Yes i know the lens is amazing, the rank reward is just weird.

[sturdy pond]

future proof when sets are OP

[dawn galleon]

There should be a lot of new sets to make it worth

[sturdy pond]

the reworking sets, so it will hopefully be worth

[dawn galleon]

Add LP on sets for example

More sets for different classes

[queen harness]

You think they will buff CoF to affect boss loot tables ?

[sage hearth]

they said they dont see a reason to

in dev stream

so yeah, just play market, literally no reason to play CoF

😐

[queen harness]

Yeah CoF was fun it gavee stuff to do but I just hit level 8 MG and I instantly was able to buy most of my build haha

[next wing]

I'd buy my build but I was PL'd and I can't even tp there. Sad times

[queen harness]

You can if someone invites you and you tp to them while they are in MG zone

Oh wait u can't leave CoF bc of power level

[next wing]

Ye I've tried @queen harness I've asked different in game chats for like 30 mins lol. All friends are passed out

[queen harness]

@next wing I get off work in an hr I can help you when I get home

[next wing]

Would be very helpful

I should beo n still

@queen harness Friend got on and was able to do it ❤️ Appreciate it though!

[sonic cobalt]

Did they ever say is SSF was meant to be a challenge or not, to me MG was always going to be easier

Was never about that though, trade just means you get all your gear instantly, I find that boring.

[sage hearth]

That's basically the only perk of CoF

If you just wanna get it yourself

[chilly ginkgo]

Mg seems so pointless i mean to buy ur build wouldnt u also need to sell items. Check prizes etc etc. I traded alot in poe. And it made me quit eventually.

[lime igloo]

biggest advantage of CoF is it works in offline mode 😛

[sage hearth]

Market is pretty pointless in offline 😂

I don't know how they want to introduce more factions to this, even these 2 are already a mess as they are

[elder torrent]

same here

tradeing gives me the ICK

also dramatically shortens the lifespan of a character

[sage hearth]

What I think is that MG should have been a universal system for all, and then you make factions that specialise in a certain area

Honestly, that would be the best

[elder torrent]

that too , who knows what the future holds

[sage hearth]

They said it's experimental, and then in Dev stream also said they don't plan on making any changes and want to add more factions, and I'm like??

[elder torrent]

might be that they are being overwhelmed and slightly confused

i call it the Dev-Syndrome

[dense hedge]

Is it just me or idol prophecies are ridiculously expensive for how random idols are?

[elder torrent]

gl ever takeing them

you get so many idols already without em , i drown in em practically and still dont have 4 9xers

that being said i should filter a lot of them out

[dense hedge]

Also where the hell do I farm void horrors 90% of good prophecies want them lol

And beacon ones clearly don't count

[elder torrent]

i prefer buying armor belts helms 4x-6x boss kill drops

i only know that Reign of Dragon has lots of scorpions

void horrors in sanctum probably so hf

cause the voids spawning from seals do not count

[dense hedge]

Nah I definitely got some in monos but they seem absurdly rare

Or maybe I'm farming the wrong timelines

[elder torrent]

yes they are very rare , tops you can do the frostmourne emo i mean mono

ive seen quite a few there naturally

fire blood and bone or whatever its called , where oyuve to kill mr frosty at the end

[dawn galleon]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/

[elder torrent]

that website is so much better than epochtools

[dense hedge]

tunklab is a bit more technical. letools is much easier to read

Also I have not found any useful informations about void horrors in tunklab

[dawn galleon]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/npc/VoidHorror

[dense hedge]

Huh so turns out that I was indeed farming the wrong timeline

[dawn galleon]

You can search for everything on there, gl

[dense hedge]

Yeah but like I said it's very technical

When I tried to look for void horrors I guess I somehow missed the bestiary lol

Too bad all three of the timelines that spawn them don't have any good blessings for me

[quiet epoch]

the last ruin quest echos have some too, so you could just reset them repeatedly

that's what I ended up resorting to after resetting a black sun node 12 times to get void horrors to spawn :/

[vernal remnant]

how does one get to the Observatory after skipping act 8 and 9?

[round fable]

Ask someone in global that has the waypoint for a party then just TP to them I think is the easiest way

Not sure if theres a more streamlined way to do it

[vernal remnant]

Thanks, will try more then 😄

[pastel fern]

are the regional lenses only apply for pulls for getting oracles or do they also apply to the mobs u kill

[next cape]

Do Temporal Sanctum T1 it'll get you right outside the city once you walk out the exit

[elder torrent]

short answer yes

they only apply to their prophecy area and prophecies not worlddrops

more drop of X you get through the grand blessings

the lenses will only affect the outcome of a prophecy to be more towards your own liking

[pastel fern]

what are grand blessings?

[next cape]

Empowered versions of Blessings

[elder torrent]

they are made of depression mostly

[pastel fern]

lmao

[elder torrent]

"try to get maxroll , get 1chance over or under your current " SELECT CONFIRMATION ?! throws monitor out of window

[pastel fern]

do you gotta be max level or something to get them?

[elder torrent]

no just tiresome cause there are many and the one you want might not be even in the rng to pick from

so gblessing finetuneing takes a while

im 250hours in and they are still far from perfect

on a single char

[pastel fern]

oof

[elder torrent]

so just be happy with mediocore

as long as its buildenabling , helping , take it

highly subjective and res on gear dependant what you take

there are no must haves

outside of maybe the critavoidance or critmult 90%

always try to farm whats easiest for you for the time being

dont overburden yourself with exquisite wants and needs

as jesus said "this damn game is rigged"

so the term RNgesus was coined

[vocal jolt]

hello can anyone explain me how vendor items do work there? Especially those rolls when they change, i play offline and it seems it not gonna change until u restart game, but once i saw very good rolls on items so i played few hours to gain favor and be able buy it after i bought it it rolled rare rarity but different stats than it was when i clicked on it..... so maybe it wasnt refreshed caz i stayed in game too long or it can always change during rarity roll?

[misty flume]

Anyone mind tossing me the waypoint for observatory? My alt can't get there even with full campaign being done.

[swift dagger]

Do the stash tabs just keep increasing in prices? i'm at 210k for a new tab now, I simply cannot store any of the items I want to.

[unreal nest]

yep every one you buy increases price of next - best to look at refining your loot filter

[swift dagger]

I'm only getting 1-2 items per mono

[unreal nest]

make sure you are doing gold node echos

[swift dagger]

I am, having to leave so much / vendor for little gold. feel like i need to re-roll game type each time i make a new toon

[noble wedge]

https://imgur.com/a/pg8AQw0
https://imgur.com/a/5ZqMG82

this game is laughing at me

2 useless 4lp

[willow coral]

Is there an optimal way to level up to 10?

Been grinding for a whole week at level 9 getting no where

[swift dagger]

Any recommendations for builds that can farm empower mono without too much gear? Tried falconer and warlock, but went zdps soon as I went to empowered mono

[molten oar]

falconer or warlock

[swift dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/very-funny-haha-kid-eyebrows-gif-17253320450010924092

[stuck falcon]

Guys is it better to use rune of ascendance on items that have CoF requirement

[flint locust]

if you are doing torment warlock you should have no problems

[elder torrent]

if you play falconer or warlock , you did infact NOT beat the game

[swift dagger]

Yes, playing torment warlock, Have the uniques but some of my rares are still like level 20-60 and i'm level 87, just not getting any drops and when I do, they have 2 bad stats which means Im having to remove them, most of the time even if i hit the remove on the 2 bad stats, I then have no or minimal FP left to craft

Defence is fine, but dps is dog poop

[sterile cloud]

its easy to get upgrades with loot filter

[molten oar]

most of the time there are many good stats you can hit and just using a few glyphs of chaos on the bad stats will give you a high chance to turn the item into something good

[sterile cloud]

I remember it took like 3 monoliths per item to get all 4 good stats to 5

Was a while ago but probably still works

[flint locust]

if you are scaling crit multi + necro res and have the belt+gloves you should be more than fine

[swift dagger]

I follow the maxroll guide. I changed the filter to only show 2 wanted affixes atleast with t4. Is this too strict?

Anything lower than this I am bombarded with useless items

[flint locust]

follow the curse on youtube

[swift dagger]

Like I say, even if I do find an item with 2 useful stats, I either brick it removing bad stats, and when I do hit the 2 bad ones. There's nearly no fp left to craft

[sterile cloud]

Iirc craft potential is a very important on filter

[swift dagger]

So then my question would be, are people regularly dropping items with 2 good t4+ mods. Then successfully removing the 2 bad ones, then adding new ones up to atleast t4?

Because I've been trying to do this on 2 toons which are nearly 90 and it hasn't happend once

[stuck falcon]

Hmm so items wirh CoF requirement are better for ascendance?

[sterile cloud]

Iirc just good affixes + potential is good enough

But its possible I am just lax

But I finished campaign in hc so there is that

Died after tho

[molten oar]

not really, removing two affixes then re-upgrading them is very rng and takes a lot of potential
use glyphs of chaos, or if you really need a specific affix and the item is very good (like exalted with 3 good mods) you can try sealing the affix with a glyph of despair to make space which will at least not brick the item if it misses

of course it depends on the item, if the item has a ton of potential on it then you can try the remove for 1 affix and then see if it's worth sealing the other one or just chaosing

and ideally you can make your filter show items with 3 mods that you want, even with low tiers it's going to be easier to craft than an item with 2 t4+s but 2 bad mods

[swift dagger]

This might be the way forward actually, good idea

[silk temple]

are some prophecies bugged? I had 3x exalted armor prophecy that I just completed and it didn't drop a single armor, sure dropped 3 random exalteds. gloves, shield and spear.

[late marten]

might be your filter

[silk temple]

nope

[late marten]

cant say then, i have done tons of prophecies never had a problem

[jade chasm]

same issue with unique idols 4 times

[silk temple]

yeah first time i notice the prophecy not dropping the said stuff. but yeah i havent hidden any exalted items(even though i should probably but cba)

[earnest girder]

am I crazy or is the "full set drop chance" rank reward extremely good ?

[noble wedge]

you are crazy

its completely useless, replying in case you are not joking

[lavish delta]

it s not because sets suck

[earnest girder]

yeah but it's good for collecting

[noble wedge]

collecting dust

🙂

[jolly spire]

free gold

[crystal sigil]

Would literally turn it off if I could to avoid just a bit of loot clutter.

[molten oar]

just hide set items?

[crystal sigil]

Yea, that actually isn't a bad idea.

[stuck falcon]

Hey guys

[next cape]

Man I can't state enough how silly good the Prophecies that give Rare drops are. So much value, so little cost

[mossy delta]

Unless you are going for a specific base, like bone amulet, I think they are worst than just the exalted ones as it increases the reroll:prophecy cost ratio.

[next cape]

Eh the bases are good such as the Rare Rings prophecy especially as LP fodder tbh. Not all of them are perfect but if you're looking for Exalted gloves, boots, rings, and amulets for LP fodder (I think there's also Dagger ones) they're pretty much second to none in value tbh.

[jolly trail]

The specific bases are insane if u find the one you need but even the non specific are 1/3 the favor per exalted item vs picking exalted

I find that all the rare specific items are never the top 2 highest tiers

Weapons, chest, and accessories seem to not be specific

[mossy delta]

Rare item ones seem less common than exalted/unique prophecies though.

And yeah, we are lucky Bone Amulet isn't a higher subtype. It's definitely one of the most popular choices.

[jolly trail]

Yeah I don't reroll for them. It's just lucky to get them

[next cape]

So when I say they have high value I don't mean you should keep on re-rolling until you get a Rare item prophecy I mean if you see one it's absolutely worth taking it over the exalted equivalent even if it's a base type you aren't aiming for like Arcane Boots (specifically because LP fodder is still good) but if you're looking for specifically say Citadel Boots then obviously the value goes way down right. But for LP fodder it isn't particularly close

[mossy delta]

They fixed the profane veil ward bug, but didn't fix spirit plague doing nothing if your cast speed is too high 😭

[tame cape]

does anyone have a two handed exulted axe with T7 melee crit strike chance on it or a pair of darkstrid boots with at least 1lp they would be willing to trade

[elder torrent]

sir this is a cof chan

🫨

[tame cape]

bro iv spent 3 days doing 2 handed axe prophecies i don't believe the item exists

[elder torrent]

i quit useing wpn prophecies for the same reason

itempool is extremely diluted in there

just run RoD mono for wpns

[mossy delta]

Exalted items aren't target farmable via monoliths. Only unique/sets.

[tame cape]

^

[elder torrent]

oh well they are somewhat now ,but ye agreed its not where it should be

[tame cape]

any mono should be fine not just RoD

[mossy delta]

You can get the "exalted X" echoes on all monoliths and they aren't more common based on the monolith you do.

[tame cape]

yea

[elder torrent]

me scuzi uncle kechop had a little drinky drank

[mossy delta]

🤣

https://tenor.com/view/eurotrip-excuse-me-miscusi-gif-5758404

[elder torrent]

ive been advocateing for exalt only monos eversince i started complaining about em

ive the same issue but with prophecy blades , its even worse

[mossy delta]

They just need to increase the number from 20% per rank to like 40%

[elder torrent]

anything helps but its sposed to be "tiresome" to farm em since theyre the only "endgame" atm

[tame cape]

what rank?

[mossy delta]

The lens

[tame cape]

oh

[jolly trail]

I've had my filter on for that for weeks and got 1. What spec are you running?

[azure yew]

I think a small but useful buff would be letting CoF have more control over what Weaver's Will items become. Very in flavor of the faction as well! And, this could lead to expanding the Weaver's Will system, which could be sweet also.

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/suggestion-let-cof-have-some-control-with-weavers-will/68360?u=theaggrocraig

[tame cape]

spec? wdym spec

[jolly trail]

That you need a 2h axe for

[tame cape]

oh im tryin to setup a echo warpath void knight

[jolly trail]

Haha same. I gave up on it. unfriendly on cof. Shade is probably the worst boss to farm

[tame cape]

fair

but im not giving up me a true spin enjoyer

me must spin me must win

[jolly trail]

Autobomber is basically spin2win

[tame cape]

why basically spin when i can just spin

[jolly trail]

Warpath is spin. Not spin2win lol

They gutted it right before release. I got baited into it from prenerf recommendations

[tame cape]

i mean iv not had many problems i feel quite strong much stronger then my lvl 80 somethin lich

[elder torrent]

cries in demacia :l

i wanted to play spinman

but he aint no d3 barb

you can hate all you want on nublizz but d3 barb was very high peak male performance for melee enthusiasts

primalist is the closest to "barb" you can get

[jolly trail]

D3 barb is why my hands go numb

Wizard might have been worse

[elder torrent]

im tired of the range favorism in hacknslays but i just mumble about it and write strongly worded reviews about things i dislike

melee has to always put in 70%more work on gear

and still lag behind in endgame

cannot go full tank or you tickle , cannot go full dmg or you paper

this curse has been going on for 2 decades now

[jolly trail]

This release is all over the place. Warlocks can't die and do dmg

[elder torrent]

ye im just waiting on common sense , game balance is nonexistant atm

so i try to not be too salty about it

[jolly trail]

Sent feels like things are scaling how they should be. Play another class and with almost no stats 1shot a boss

[elder torrent]

ye its very silly indeed

[indigo zodiac]

What is the favor to reputation gain ratio?

Trying to jump straight from 9 to 10 with one massive fortune purchase

[elder torrent]

book node grind is all you can do and as high corr you can handle

also doesnt matter what you purchase , there is no cheese to lvl reputation faster

sadly 🙂

[indigo zodiac]

Yeah I know but when you spend favor you gain rep and I'm curious what that ratio is

[jaunty rapids]

2:1

[indigo zodiac]

Alright thank you

[solid seal]

For every favor, you get 2 rep when you earn that favor and 2 rep when you spend that favor. Rerolling constellations counts as spending and will earn you rep. You can use the double use and double reward lenses to increase favor spending costs on prophecies to burn through favor faster. Once you hit 95, it's 750 exp per favor. An experience tome gives 353.3k experience, so you'll get 471 favor for each (1413 for 3 tomes). Blessings, shrines, and corruption has no effect on experience tome experience, but they do increase monster kill experience which generates more favor per kill (blessing is multiplicative).

[dense root]

does the prophecy unique drop table include boss specific drops? for example can i get a twisted heart drop from a relic unique prophecy?

[fierce knot]

I have never had a boss specific unique drop from a prophecy outside that boss fight. so i'm gonna say no. Doesn't really make sense to have prophecies incorporate boss specific loot tables either

[urban isle]

(Trying to get Apogee Sword) Is it better to run Reign of Dragons with the prophecy to drop it, or will running outside map be the same thing to quickly fulfill the prophecy?

[solid seal]

Nope. Prophecies only drops random world drops. Nothing affects the drop rate of boss specific uniques.

[dense root]

ok, thanks for the info!

[fluid cradle]

hi, freshly joined, could somebody tell me if I have this base loop right:

• I kill stuff to gain a pittance of favor.
• spend favor to buy prophecies
• prophecies are "do THING to gain THING"
• spending favor gets me reputation
• reputation gives me passive bonuses and unlocks lenses

[solid seal]

The Exclusive Echo Rewards don't increase the random drop rate of those item types. Instead, timelines get nodes that give those item types as rewards for completing that echo. In reign of dragons, you'll see nodes that reward set/unique swords and set/unique axes that you get for completing that echo. The only thing that matters to the prophecy is meeting the condition to fulfill the event(s).

[solid seal]

Pretty much.

[urban isle]

ahh I see, so I guess its just better to actually look for those nodes vice trying to get prophecies to drop it

[solid seal]

The nice thing is you can do both assuming you get a prophecy that can be conditionally completed in RoD

Has anyone gotten a prophecy in Spirits of Fire?

[urban isle]

That's true, thanks for the help! This apogee is making me lose my mind, 4 days still no drop

[next cape]

No the nodes are actually worse than doign the prophecy. For the node specifically for Swords there are also Daggers, and Two Handed Swords to compete with AND set swords and daggers. So if you want something like Apogee it's going to be far worse focusing the node from Reign of Dragons than doing a prophecy that is only one handed swords for example.

[sonic thicket]

trying to get onnin is omnis

[gilded anchor]

What are the best lences to be using?

[rugged maple]

the ones that fits your plans

[cedar wolf]

@gilded anchor can try the one that increases the cost but gives u double reward

[next cape]

The increase drops, and increase use lenses are just all around great

[orchid cipher]

Do the unique and exalted lenses actually increase item drop rate on maps? and do they stack? or is it chance higher chance of those item prophecies?

[jolly spire]

only the chance to get a type of prophecy

[solid seal]

lenses apply to finding prophecies on the constellations.

[orchid cipher]

dam the lens description so bait, thanks

[lucid pawn]

I like the 80% higher cost but double reward lense personally. Bang for your buck and a timer saver too

[warm hemlock]

hi is this just me this happen to i hade like 150k favor with fortune then i swap on my alt to merchants guild and lost it all down to 100 favor on both factions like where did my 150k on fortune go

[solid seal]

That's the intended behavior when switching factions as faction reputation is shared account-wide. When one character switches factions, all characters in that same game mode will have their favor reset. It basically acts as an account-wide respec.

[warm hemlock]

okey thanks for the info

[lost sedge]

Has to do with a weird exploit. #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[warm hemlock]

Ah that explains did not know that i just want to check what the ader one offered and lost all my favor i was going to use on my new alt but then i know thanks 🙂 and have a great day both off you

[rugged mauve]

In offline, how do i edit my cof rank?
in rank 2,3 ish i just put random lenses on my slots, cant put them out now

[forest seal]

are rare prophecies just better than exalted?

with t8 cof making 1/4 of rares exalted

[lucid pawn]

Depends. But ive found targeting the bases i want more benefitial with the rares, plus way cheaper

[urban isle]

oh rip i guess more torture now, might as well just go clear a different mono, cleared empowered reign a couple of times already trying to get this

ty

[open hawk]

Do items with 20 or less weaver's will have a chance for T6 or T7 affixes or does it get them all to T5 first?

[echo sun]

weaver will items have a very high probability to upgrade the existing affix before "chosing" to pick another one, so even a weaverwill 9 has a good chance to roll the first affix it gets to t7(as has happened to me a couple of times)

[open hawk]

nice thanks!

[celest swift]

why do prophecies only give runed daggers

[next cape]

?

[celest swift]

Can;t post screen shot in here i think. I'll post in items links channel what i'm talking about.

[next cape]

Ah got ya

[celest swift]

I've never seen a prophecy that does not show rune dagger

[next cape]

That just sounds unlucky but it's also an option besides regular Daggers

[celest swift]

making sure i'm not crazy

[serene furnace]

do prophecies affect unique monolith drops? for example I'm farming exsanguineous in blood, frost, death. Would unique chest drop prophecies drop this unique?

[solid seal]

Unique monolith rewards are unaffected by prophecies. Prophecy rewards are triggered by death events. Exsanguinous can drop in any zone starting at area level 23 and can drop from prophecies. Be aware that their are two prophecies that share the same icon and have a similar reward name in "Unique Body Armour" and "Unique Armour". "Unique Body Armour" is just unique chest pieces. "Unique Armour" encompasses unique chests, helms, gloves, belts, and boots.

https://imgur.com/S0kJTri

https://imgur.com/lwIWj8l

[junior mason]

Hello, does items with LP1-4 drop more frequently in CoF?
I've tested merchand guild but im not satisfied since i want to build my own eq i cannot buy anything coz of the price...

[hoary kite]

ive found that with every 100k favor worth of prophecies i get roughly 2-4 3lp's
to grind out that much favor it takes me like a day, maybe 3-4hr gameplay? not sure, doesnt feel long tho

[frail hare]

level 6 of CoF states "Uniques are twice as likely to have Legendary Potential". so you get the same amount of LP1 or higher uniques times 2

[junior mason]

thanks, last question can i gift CoF labeled item to my friend also in CoF?

[frail hare]

if it dropped while you were playing together, then yes. you can gift it without restrictions.
if it dropped while you were alone, then you will need to use resonance to gift the item. resonance dropps while playing together

[hoary kite]

only minor caveat, prophecies cannot drop boss specific drops (and dungeon?) uniques, so ur forced to farm those as CoF

so if ur build has alot of boss specific uniques u might be disappointed, since u cant use ur prophecies to help with them^^

[cunning beacon]

I wish CoF had more ways to “target” farm because the amount of useless stuff will get bigger and bigger.

[sonic cobalt]

If you're looking for something specific it's always going to be harder, SSF is meant to be a challenge.

After all, trade is the drops of 10s of thousands of people VS. one person

At least we can target farm specific item types. Now if they didn't brick in 3 crafts that'd be great.

[marsh oxide]

You must be really lucky or farming junk lp3s bases

Spent a million and best I got was lp2 once

[hoary kite]

lol wtf

i got a 3lp enigma

[marsh oxide]

Switched to MG ever since

[hoary kite]

and a 3lp scav belt/chain of uleros

and some other 3lps but I dont consider them for my build

[marsh oxide]

Those are pretty common, try for barbute helmet

I have bought 4lp chain of uleros it's decent

[rough depot]

Guys, you can change factions anytime you want right? As many times as you want also?

[unique ferry]

ye but as far i know it hits your rep

[hollow forum]

y, if you dont mind favor reset everytime you change, it goes to 0. also note that you cant equip items from the other faction (watermarked)

[gleaming mirage]

Well yeah items that are worth using even with low LP are supposed to be rare with high LP, if you absolutely need high LP on already powerful items then yeah MG switch was a good call

[rough depot]

Im still deciding which faction should I join, CoF seems to have bad drop rates for high LPs?

And MG economy is messed up with gold trading

Prices are crazy

[sonic cobalt]

If you want specific items with high LP, play MG. It is going to take significantly longer playing CoF to get those items. If you play CoF it is because you enjoy the challenge of working with what you get. Granted target farming certain things isn't super hard it's just never going to be as easy and sometimes you may never get exactly what your looking for.

It's not impossible to get those items, if you're willing to grind for it. If that will burn you out, or does not sound fun. Then you should have your answer. An expensive item is always going to be easier to get (selling items for money) as opposed to trying to grind it yourself.

[golden ocean]

No one has good drop rates for high LPs. Online just has 1mil ppls rng with duping and ppl buying gold

[rough depot]

Then again I need to study which items are worth a penny with Merchants Guils faction

And that will take some studying too?

[sonic cobalt]

Yeah the UI is not great, price checking things that aren't unique might take some time depending on what you're after.

[rough depot]

Because selling items is the only source of income in MG?

[dim plaza]

doesn't MG's players generally have fck ton of money ?

[sonic cobalt]

That will be the bulk of your income yes, farming gold via monos or other methods will not net you nearly as much

Your best bet is to play the game as usual and as you learn what is worth for other builds you will accumulate wealth. If you want to know how to make money quick, look at the top builds on the arena and last epoch tools. If they're on there, people will want the gear needed for them. Add that stuff to your filter.

[hard shard]

if i have a COF unique, can i slam a merchants item into it to make it legendary?

[onyx escarp]

I don't get how single echo rewards from the monolith is faction locked? Like does the game just randomly decide that something is faction locked even though it's a reward either faction would have gotten?

For reference, it wasn't an additional reward drop from the rank 5 perk - it was just the normal echo reward

[hollow forum]

no it wont work. u cant slam different watermarked items

[hard shard]

dang, ty

[exotic ledge]

Hey guys, Is there any CoF hack to get myself a Rune of Creation?

[onyx escarp]

Slamming a watermarked into a non watermark unique, would that work? And would it become watermarked?

[onyx escarp]

There's a prophecy that guarantees Rune of Creation drops so it's relatively easy to acquire

[exotic ledge]

Thanks Scoobs, I'll keep rerolling until I find one

[onyx escarp]

You need to be at least rank 9 for there to be a chance to spawn though

So don't reroll before that

[exotic ledge]

Rank 10, found it now. Cheers mate

[hollow forum]

i never tried i do feel that it would work and you get a watermarked item in the end. worth a try

[onyx escarp]

Did one for science, it does watermark the legendary

[delicate depot]

i dont know how many times i farmed for heart of ukheros even basic, start to feel like cof is for those with the super mentality .if mg ui wasnt so bad, i would be heading there and enjoying my build

[hoary bridge]

I have succeeded in empowering my Monoliths, how do I go about setting up for corruption?

[autumn sigil]

how can i target farm Dragonsong unique bow while being CoF? echoes with bows and prophecies only?

[hasty anvil]

echos suck for target farming, just farm an echo with good boss drops or a blessing you haven't maxed. It's better to do prophecies only.

[autumn sigil]

but im lvl 78 and most of prophecies are like kill something in tier 3 dung or lvl 100 echo

its frustrating

[solemn lily]

u can use lense to block high corruption / dungeon

[hasty anvil]

also use rune of ascendances on bows that are marked as CoF to get it pretty quickly. Dragonsong is pretty common.

[autumn sigil]

oh ty for telling me about this mark

[open hawk]

At lvl 78 you should easily be able to do empowered (lvl 100) monoliths. Doing non empowered when you don't have to is a waste of time.

And any tier 3 dungeon prophecy is easy as long as it doesn't require killing the boss.

[autumn sigil]

buy u have to unlock it somehow

rn i have lvl 80 unlocked

[autumn sigil]

how to add cof item to filter?

[unreal nest]

cant, there isnt a condition in the filter

If you are looking for CoF items of a certain type - find prophecies for that type

[lyric bear]

What difference to a
Rune of ascendance a COF loot or normal one ?

[hasty anvil]

Rank 2 CoF has 45% to not consume rune of ascendance if you use it CoF loot.

[lyric bear]

Oh nice

[next cape]

If you need just the base item and it isn't super rare, spam Runes if Ascendance to get it. If you need it with LP, do the Prophecies.

[crystal flame]

the prophecies that provide uniques with legendary potential, do they prevent the item to drop with LP higher than stated?

[hasty anvil]

they do not prevent higher lp

[next cape]

No but it's also a scam of a Prophecy.

[hasty anvil]

this, too expensive

[crystal flame]

Why so?

ah

[next cape]

Cost too much

[crystal flame]

lets say you had unlimited favor. wouldn't you spam those?

[next cape]

Plus it's 1 random drop versus multiple for 1/4th the price on average

I mean if you had unlimited favor I'd still spam the multiple drop prophecies

[crystal flame]

just to make sure I understand. the 1LP prophecy doesnt raise the floor of LP, correct?

[next cape]

It guarantees it will have 1 LP which is neat. But it isn't ADDITIONAL LP

[crystal flame]

getting 2LP is still as likely as ever

@next cape thanks. that clears it up

[next cape]

If it was 1 additional LP then hey maybe we could talk you know

[crystal flame]

right

thats kinda what I was hoping for

[next cape]

But 1 LP? Nah I'll take my chances at gambling multiple drops

[crystal flame]

I imagine a timeline where it is +1 LP, which means LP5 was 'possible' - which would be able to take sealed affixes. FeelsWowMan

[vivid bronze]

really hope i can see my all groupped locations for all the prophecy...

[gilded oasis]

If I'm at T8 for COF now and I switch to Merchant but then switch back to COF. Will my COF reset to T1 or will it be T8?

[vivid bronze]

u will still in t8 but u will lost your favour

[thorny pasture]

Am I able to have one char In merchants guild one in CoF?

[pearl mountain]

Yeah but items from a a specific guild is not usable by a character on the other.

For example, you can not use your CoF guild char to get good items and sell on your merchant guild char

And vice versa

[rugged mauve]

SO

what is the BEST lens setup for most gear

asked probably billions times over but

x2 use and reward lenses and campaing prophecies block?

someone was mentioning getting rare rewards is better etc

im new to CoF

[gleaming trout]

idk campaign seems fast and easy to me. You can rush through areas with little worry about dying, and deep late game builds will 1shot the boss.
My legacy wraith build ran to lagon in 1min then wiped him in a millisecond. So I block dungeons for now. Maybe I'll switch that when I actually want to run multiple dungeons for their own reasons too

[unreal nest]

the efficiency of doing a Campaign prophecy isn't as high, solely based on the fact that completing it does not have a direct reward like echos do - does not add Corruption to your Monolith farming - isnt helping you progress towards Blessings you want.

That said, if the Favor to Reward value is there - it can be very worthwhile.

[jolly trail]

for r10 i use the 80 and 90% cost ones for 2x extra awards and then arena. i target runes of ascendance. rare > exalted as well just make sure it's not a specific lvl drop that you don't need.

uniques cost roughly 160 favor using this method

and you're targeting the type u want with all of them

[gleaming trout]

I don't remember, does ascendance use the same LP determination or is it worse

[jolly trail]

ive not seen any research on this.

im hoping it's the same but im not aware of any confirmation, mining, or sampling on it

[rugged mauve]

for my current build at least, I only needc aurora's timeglass unique thats all, i mostly after nice rolled exalted items right now

[jolly trail]

ive heard you can target red rings pretty well doing this

def look up the item table. some have so much trash u just won't get the one you want if it's rare

[bleak abyss]

Does the upgraded rune of ascendance at rank 2 really work ? i've been farming staves with CoF rank requirement and lost the "head or tail" maybe 20 times in a row 🤕

[jolly trail]

yeah the item needs to be COF req

all items u get from proph are cof req

can easily get a ton of items that way

[indigo pelican]

I've noticed a visual bug where it looks like the rune gets consumed

[bleak abyss]

doubt it's a visual bug if it now shows 0 in my rune inventory

[jolly trail]

did u check every item to see if it's cof req?

[indigo pelican]

If you're saying you used 20 runes in a row, then yeah

[bleak abyss]

yeah

[jolly trail]

20 fails in a row would be nearly impossible

maybe buy a state lottery ticket

[indigo pelican]

not nearly but very unlikely

still within the realms of it happening

[bleak abyss]

1 in a million if I trust the maths lmao, but it just sounds like a normal day to me

[indigo pelican]

It's about 6 1/2 in a million I believe

[jolly trail]

im conferring with the supreme intelligence now

[indigo pelican]

My math says is around 1/150,000ish

which is unlucky but not impossible

[jolly trail]

0.000642%

[bleak abyss]

why did I even try to rely on my luck 🥲 now that half my gear requires CoF ranks I can't change faction and buy my way to the top

[unreal nest]

Just swap and use your gold to buy the pieces you need

[indigo pelican]

do you lose all your progress in COF if you do that?

[jolly trail]

i think you lose your current favor

[unreal nest]

lose all your favor and current prophecies - reputation remains

[jolly trail]

ive not done it though

well thats for picking trade on an alt right?

or does your main keep r10?

[unreal nest]

your CoF characters have their CoF reptuation. your MG chracters have their MG reputation

If you swap a character your Favor (which is account wide) is all sacrificed

[jolly trail]

can u have cof on one and trade on the other?

[unreal nest]

sure

[whole fox]

yes

[jolly trail]

i have so much stuff for alts its hard to justify the swap on alts

esp considering u maintain r10 on alts

[unreal nest]

items that are not tagged to CoF can still be warn by MG Character - but they can not be sold on the Bazaar - so depending on what you have, and if its tagged or not can help you make the decision.

MG vs CoF more than anything to me is a mindset. Either you want to farm for your upgrades - or you want to buy your upgrades. Feels kind of like pick a side of the fence - dont just hang out there with a leg on each side

[jolly trail]

it seems like mg players buy gold, buy their gear, and then quit because there's nothing left to do

[sleek parrot]

And that’s why the prices are absurd on mg rn

There’s still good finds but some stuff is absurd

[jolly trail]

game economy is complicated. it will inflate no matter what if there aren't sinks

the value doesn't really change of items

[iron turret]

i picked CoF without any research so i havent tried MG, how much gold is 'absurd' atm?

[unreal nest]

This first cycle - everyone should just expect that economy is a disaster. There was/is item and gold duping that has been found that is yet to be addressed. Once that is, you will see some changes, and if they can get it all resoved before the next cycle - id expect you see a very different economy

[unreal nest]

someon sold a 4LP Laddle for 350M - and some of the comments were that they could have gotten 1.5 Billion.

[iron turret]

lolol

ok, then for the first cycle im happy i chose CoF

[unreal nest]

there were other 4LP's for like 300M - but the rolls were trash - this guys rolls were apparently VERY good.

[iron turret]

i dont want to have to start a chinese gold farmer company just to buy pantaloons

[bleak abyss]

start a chinese pantaloons company to make gold !

[unreal nest]

also the Bazaar UI - kind of trash - im watching BinaQc scan through 100's of pages of listings trying to find the affix they want on a pair of gloves, because you can't just search for it.

[iron turret]

while that does in fact, suck, seems like something easy to fix in the future

this game going to be amazing once its mature, given enough time

[next cape]

lmao. love to see it

[sleek parrot]

Action Bronson fan spotted

🐐

[stone marlin]

Can prophecies drop boss/enemy specific uniques?

[jolly trail]

no boss ones. timeline ones can but many have low world drop rates

[stone marlin]

Do you know if Mad alchemist's Ladle drop from them?

[mossy delta]

Ladle is a boss drop

[stone marlin]

ohh I thought prisoner is a miniboss

[mossy delta]

There is no difference in bosses in the game. Monolith bosses, Dungeon bosses, echo boss, and Exiled mages all are "bosses"

[stone marlin]

I see, thanks

[jolly trail]

drops like core of the mountain come from the boss right? not the dumb chest

boss didn't even drop unqiues twice in a row

[solid seal]

Core of the Mountain is a Lightless Arbor Tier 4 boss drop. https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzAsCYFZKA

[mossy siren]

how are lp2-lp3 items? is inflation for those ranges out of control as well?

[keen nimbus]

Inflation...?

[sleek bobcat]

inflation. you know, the later in the cycle, the more gold things cost, not to mention the gold buyers

[mossy siren]

just how prices changed from the start against now. im debating wether to switch over to MG and just fill in what i lose from COF

i think whats missing in most general analysis from choosing either is what build you choose to run and how far you want to push corruption levels

[sleek bobcat]

wdym fill in? you can't wear both faction's gear at the same time

[mossy siren]

i know that but you also get to keep stuff that is untagged. im not losing all my gear just some of it

[sleek bobcat]

oh right, well prices now are most expensive

[mossy siren]

unless of course it means you lose everything regardless of tagged

[sleek bobcat]

than they've ever been

[sleek bobcat]

no, if it's not tagged cof you can wear it as mg

[mossy siren]

got it, thanks

[keen nimbus]

I see, I didn't get what you meant exactly

[slow yew]

I have to play offline so CoF was my only choice....At first it seemed cool but now i feel like I am back in a world where I go weeks without any sense of upgrade as if CoF did not exist....and my gear is far from optimal. Just too many layers of RNG that even CoF bonuses and prophecies cannot overcome!

[sullen matrix]

the game is 3 weeks only. You saying your gear isn't optimal but you go weeks without upgrades.. Believe me, in trade any decent LP2 item for popular build is like 50m, you can't afford it unless you find it.. but you find much more items in CoF it's not even funny

[mossy siren]

im in the same boat, feels like ive hit a wall. i imagine the meta builds that work towards ultra high corruption levels see insane prices for gear because of demand and relatively lower supply but maybe its more reasonable for the middle tiers where you just want to play decent levels and non meta builds

[mossy siren]

50m for lp2? yeah thats pretty crazy. then i guess the grind would shift towards other ends, such as gold and items to sell...

[sullen matrix]

I farmed yesterday for gold and got only one item to sell for like 500k. Because 99.9% of items in trade are worthless. Wasted 8 hours basically. I feel prophecies are much more rewarding when I play my CoF char. But maybe it's just me

[iron turret]

i think part of the issue is that it takes so long to skill up the faction, unless im doing it terribly wrong

[unreal nest]

XP = Rep. Higher Corruption = more XP

[iron turret]

i feel like it will be less of an issue once its maxed

ya, i havent been pushing highest corruption possible yet

[sullen matrix]

it takes very long, but I think they supposed us to rank it when playing different chars, so cycle-length progress. It still takes time even on high corruption

[iron turret]

when i play a new game like this, i take pains to not look at any builds or guides. i found that, ya, i do better when i do, but i also rob myself of my fun from these games

[mossy siren]

no, i think it evens out in the long run results wise, just depends on how you want to distribute your time chasing gear. you can target grind or grind in general to make the gold to purchase items so an extra step or two on the latter

if the UI on MG is bad then thats another layer/barrier to deal with in the process

[unreal nest]

The Bazaar UI is actually impeding alot of things. Hard to even know what your item is worth because of how annoying it is to search similar and price accordingly. As a result items are sort of priced willy n illy.

[gleaming mirage]

MG kind of has gold coming into the market from bug abuse builds and falconers doing hilarious corruption

[broken hollow]

Anyone running into issues with completed Prophecies not dropping the reward?

[solid seal]

did you toggle to see all ground items to ensure you aren't filtering the reward?

[supple magnet]

I've had the issue with Weaver Will body armour

It seems that it does not exist, but you can get a prophecy for it

[broken hollow]

My filter's are fine and I did disable them to verify the items on ground.

[lucid pawn]

I swesr if i do 1 more porpechy that gives 5 staffs and i get another wheel with 0lp im gonna scream.. literally done 15-20 2h staff prophs in the last 3 days and looted at least 100 unique staffs and come up with 18 wheels. NONE have had LP

[solid seal]

What were you expecting and what did you get? There was a bug reported where rares dropped instead of unique rewards a little more than a week ago

[broken hollow]

The Prophecy stated: Fulfill 0/8, Kill Majasa, Reward: Unique Chestpiece (16 Weaver's WIll). When I felled her the eigth time, she dropped a rare chest.

Oddly though it would seem I only have issues with some Prophecies that reward uniques with weaver's will.

[supple magnet]

Yeah, so it's the same as I have. It seems that this item does not exist in game. There are other armour pieces with WW, but not chest

[broken hollow]

Good to know I'm not alone. 🍻

I'm confident the team will get a fix out though, unfortunately it may sway me from doing those Proph's until that's fixed but at least I can fling numbers everywhere in monoliths. 😂

[solid seal]

has anyone gotten a prophecy in the Spirits of Fire timeline?

[near phoenix]

if you read the prophecy, it says WW armour piece. not a chest piece. the chest armour icon is misleading. similar to the unique item node in the monolith, that has a ring icon instead of a generic icon.

[next cape]

No there might not be.

[onyx escarp]

Weaver's Will prophecy bug has been a thing for a long time

Even though it does not say body armour, I assume the bug is when you do roll the helm/body slot, it gives you a random rare instead

[broken hollow]

even if I mispoke about what slot it goes in it still didn't drop xD

all she dropped was whites, blues and yellows.

[boreal plinth]

i wish there was a way to filter idols by how well it's rolled

[jolly trail]

Not that I have found

[sage hearth]

why, because it takes 2 frames to look at 1 number to know its bad?

[sweet holly]

are unique bows prophecies bugged right now ? I was supposed to get like 8 of them and just got one + a bunch of rare/exalted

[boreal plinth]

is there a way to create a filter that does the following: boot with cooldown recovery + health/resistance/dodge?

[solid seal]

If you want to filter where Boots have cooldown recovery AND (Health or Res or Dodge), then no. Affix filtering is very basic, limited to X affixes appearing and optionally Y tiers individually or sums to Z total tiers.

[sage hearth]

u can do it technically

but u will need like 6 different rules

u filter out everything that doesnt have said affix/prefix, then filter for said affix one at the time, then add they have to be T7(orT6) and do this for each individually,

wait i would have to look at what u can do again, discard what i said, too tired to think

both of those stats are a suffix so no

[vague birch]

how rare is Rune of Creation prophecy? I've rerolled like 10k favor and still didn't fine one. Rank 8 CoF atm, maybe tha'ts the problem?

Using lens to find more rune prophecies ofc

[sage hearth]

rank 9 +

otherwise impossible

[vague birch]

https://tenor.com/view/cory-monteith-terrified-scared-nervous-hand-bite-gif-15289518

[sage hearth]

yeah, they should just tell u what u can find on each rank, why do players have to datamine everything to know this stuff

😂

[vague birch]

can you use a rune of creation obtained through CoF to duplicate an item on a MG char and keep it factionless?

I assume yes, because it goes into the same pool of available runes/glyphs... but just wanted to double-check before I invest 20 hours into lvling my CoF 😂

[sage hearth]

if u share it between chars then yes

[abstract dock]

How do I farm gold as CoF? I really need more stash tabs

[sage hearth]

high corruption gold nodes

and hope they get duplicated by your CoF rank

[abstract dock]

Oh thanks!

[vague birch]

wdym by this? gold and runes/glyphs/affixes are shared among characters

the idea is that you farm rune of creation through a prophecy

then on your MG char you buy/find a strong item you want to slam onto a unique, and you copy it for a second chance at slamming it

[sage hearth]

if u are playing solo char then no xD

unless its not working as i think it is

[vague birch]

I assume this won't turn the item into a CoF item

cuz it's just a rune of creation that was put into the pool of other runes

[sage hearth]

it cant turn them into a CoF item cos runes cant be tagged to begin with

[vague birch]

ye

[obtuse tangle]

Anyone knows if "Omnis" is, in theory, craftable via Rune of Ascendence?

[solid seal]

It's a boss drop (fixed loot), so no. Dropped from: Shade of Orobyss (Minimum corruption 200) Drop rate increases with corruption and is higher the further the echo is from the center. https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBMEYHYFYg

[obtuse tangle]

thanks

[solid seal]

There is also a Rune of Ascendance simulator on TunkLab https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ascsim

[obtuse tangle]

Oh! This is great!

[hoary bridge]

How rare to find is Aurora's Time Glass?

[lost sedge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCsEYHYDYg

[hoary bridge]

Hells yeah, found one. Just not with any LP

[lost sedge]

Yeah, even 1LP is on the low side.

[hoary bridge]

Found it in T2 Temporal Sanctum

[tall elbow]

does unstable core actually drop from prophecies? I did like 200k favor worth of em and I haven't seen one, but it's not a boss drop or anything either lol

[keen epoch]

It’s just very rare

200k isn’t a ton of prophecies either with rank 8 and 9 lenses

Just keep grinding em

[tall elbow]

well, I guess I gotta keep doing the same thing, I didn't even get a 0 lp one over 70ish armors so I was curious

[keen epoch]

you’re in for a rough grind if you want one with any LP

Unless you get extremely lucky with a 1lp

[tall elbow]

nah, just need one with better roll as I got shittiest rolls lol

my mana is suffering

[keen epoch]

2lp is a 1/180ish each time you drop a chest, but 1lp is only like 1/8 tho

Ah

[tall elbow]

+20 mana and 40% elemental damage

[lament bluff]

Ive gotten UC dropped through a prophecy, but with no LP. It can happen, just super rare.

[hoary bridge]

Got a 2LP Soul Bastion, wondering about making a Soul Feast build in the future

[vale harbor]

Grats. I know most things in this game can be target farmed in monos. Let me know how it works. I've been considering a lot of pieces and that full heal is really appealing but less so when most of my survivability is in my endurance which kicks in at 30%

[oblique flume]

can u combine the double reward greater lens in circle of fortune with the rank 10 perk that doubles the reward?

[foggy lake]

This was probably discussed a lot already, but. Isn't MG considerably better for lategame? There's no need for target farm, one can just buy gear they need (albeit considering current trade issues). This is the issue my buddy had. We both started with COF, but after considerable slowdown of getting something resembling BiS items he switched to MG, while I stuck to CoF. After a while he simply bought gear that is way more powerful than what I had. Sure, there argument to be made that I wasn't optimal in my farming. But ability to just buy exact piece of gear one needs is quite tempting.
So, did devs mention any plans to buff CoF somehow?

[thorny copper]

Why would they change a mechanic that allows for both styles of gameplay

If you don't want to work for your loot drops, go mg

If you want to farm your loot, go cof

[dry bluff]

you arent allowed to talk about buffing cof in this channel

you take your full set drops on rank 9 and you like it

[dusky halo]

idk for you, but I was MG and switched to cof and made a new character. when I get full bis, I have no motivation to play

[dry bluff]

you aren't full bis

[dusky halo]

ok near full bis

[dry bluff]

I'd love to see your build then, ive done over 2.5k echos and am quite far from bis in cof

im farming 800 corruption just fine, but anything more i get stunlocked

[dusky halo]

near full bis in MG

[dry bluff]

oh i misunderstood this , my bad bro lol

[dusky halo]

np, lol
I think cof is best experience by far

[foggy lake]

I was thinking of increasing odds of specific affixes maybe? For example, the only helmet I will ever wear on my falconer in the endgame must have dive bomb area and damage affix on Falconry Helm base.
That affix is painfully rare as is, getting it on specific base is even more painful. And to add more pain it can spawn with 3 useless affixes that I have to erase, then craft 3 new ones and hope to RNGesus that forging potential persists until the end. With considerable chance that I delete dive bomb affix
Just increasing odds of specific base or specific affix would help A LOT, while still retaining chance that drop might be useless or unusable and therefore being fair

[dry bluff]

i personally wouldnt mind a boost like that, but there are cof enjoyers that are entirely against buffs of any sort. I doubt the devs give any buffs out as long as people are heavily against it

[dry bluff]

this is a relief to hear, i was thinking of switching from cof but i think ive just hit a hard point in my build where upgrades are hard to come by

[dusky halo]

I think that worth you try MG. But IMO cof is more a rewarding gameplay. get a merchant filter and sell gear until you have money to buy mega rare 3lp uniques

[dry bluff]

if i were to try mg, where would i look for a decent filter?

[dusky halo]

I sent a pm with disc link

[granite pine]

I just came here to tell my fellow Fortuners that The Ghostmaker has been removed from my game and profecies. That's all. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

[icy harbor]

CoF rng can be painfull sometimes, but other times be so good

[granite pine]

Soooo how do youse find echoes that have specific mobs like Matrons or etc? Or just add it to the prophecies list and YOLO?

[solid seal]

Bestiary. https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/bestiary

[granite pine]

oh... ohhhhh. thank you

[granite pine]

So like, siege golems, spawns in campaign and monoliths, and there's a list of timelines they will spawn, but aside from that there's not much to do then (if it's not monoliths I guess I can go to specific campaign areas?)

[solid seal]

the echoes they spawn in within the timelines listed is random based off whatever preset monster variety group is rolled when the instance is created

it at least points you to the timelines they can spawn in

but yea, if you just want to quickly cycle/complete a prophecy and the monster can be killed anywhere, hunting them down in the campaign is probably the fastest.

[granite pine]

Is there a difference between completing them on the campaign or monoliths, if they don't have a requirement for monoliths of course? Like, high corruption rarity bonus and etc, or those things don't really affect COF stuff?

[solid seal]

no clue, I just kill stuff in mono's.

[granite pine]

thank you

[oblique cave]

is it better to use both rank 8 and 9 lens for each prophecy area? Or can you double stack the rank 8/9 ones

[next cape]

Do you mean the double drops and double use lens? If so yes, very high value.

[stark ingot]

Does anyone know if prophecy drops are affected by corrruptiom/area mods?

[stark ingot]

If you stack them you technically get less value out of your favor than if you would use them seperatly because the multipliers are multiplicative wich eachother but stacking them can still be nice though for time save n stuff

[oblique cave]

gotcha thanks y'all

[solid seal]

You can equip both rank 8 and 9 lenses and both will apply to prophecies. While you can equip multiple of the same rank 8 or rank 9 lens, you won't get any benefit from stacking the same lens. e.g. using two double rewards lens on a prophecy that drops 1 unique will still only drop 2 uniques, not 4. If you have all three slots open, 1x double use + 1x double reward + 1x item type is probably the more common setup. If you are prophecy farming multiple armours, rarity becomes an option over type as a third lens choice. If you are farming weapons and don't have 3 lens slots unlocked, item type is probably the most important lens considering the number of weapons options (not all are weighted equally) followed by double use then double rewards.

[lucid pawn]

So close to rank 8. Then i get my double drops lense

[oblique cave]

Thanks again, nice to know and now i just gotta get rank 8

[nimble halo]

Is there a YT guide for lenses on what's better etc? I'm a falc explosive ballista user. I mostly disabled arena/dungeon for now. Wondering if there is a better setup

[solid seal]

FrozenSentinel has a playlist of videos relating to CoF mechanics. One of them talks about the individual lenses. Highly recommend checking the videos out (most are less than 5 minutes) and the spreadsheet in the video descriptions. Ignore any mention of selling arena keys as that was nerfed. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQqnuPEVr-n2pabDMzOIwxuupb33VVuEa

[nimble halo]

Thank you👏

[solid seal]

Also, killing bosses and skipping the objective completion now consumes some stability, so it's no longer free to cycle prophecies on Formosus and Abom. I'm sure he talks about that in one of the videos

[nimble halo]

Ok thanks!

[oblique cave]

I want grand exp blessing from the first timeline for CoF right?

[solid seal]

Experience blessing gives more experience per kill, which means more favor and rep per kill

Gold blessing is also nice. Unique blessing only applies to world random drops.

[oblique cave]

Glad i picked the exp one then lmao

Gold blessing was on the lower side so didnt go with that this time

[lucid pawn]

Ewww

[gleaming mirage]

? It's the best one in that slot by far

Unless you need 200 stash tabs for some reason

[frail hare]

honestly, specific idol drop rates would be really nice if you're grinding for a specific one like smite on throwing.
but it's probably easier to just prophecy spam it, tho you might also need the favour for something else.

[snow nest]

I'm at rank 5 and curious how fast the favour rate will increase on my first lv 100 monolith?

It was okay-ish pre lv 4

But at lv 4 to 5 the favours weren't that much when I slained monsters

[onyx escarp]

Just target the xp tome echoes

That's where you get the majority of your favour until you get to much higher levels of corruption

[snow nest]

So even when you're at lv 10 CoF, you still go for those exp nodes along side other node rewards ?

Like shards, runes, items

[onyx escarp]

If favour is what you're after, those xp nodes are pretty much the best option yeah

It's like 1.4k favour each time you complete one

[snow nest]

The prophecy kind of pricy. I once saw a post on reddit and the node of Unique item LP1 can cost 50k favour, which is expensive yeah?

[onyx escarp]

Never get the LP1 nodes

That is a complete ripoff

[snow nest]

What are you focusing on right now?

[onyx escarp]

Normally you just want the standard unique ones if there's a specific general pieces you're after, rare nodes if you want exalted pieces once you hit rank 8.

Outside of that, runes of ascendance/creation/idols if you want to gamble or try to get better idols

Sets are an obvious trap, exalted is actually much worse value compared to rare after rank 8 and keys are now pretty much useless since you will get more than enough naturally

[snow nest]

I agree on what you said

Thank you so much

[rough depot]

How can I farm Rune of Ascendance?

[onyx escarp]

You can find rune of ascendance prophecies in the Dysis one

Initially you will find only 1/2 ascendance prophecies but when you reach rank 10, you will start seeing 7x prophecies for it.

[rough depot]

Im level 54 and dont know about all these prophecies and stuff

Are you talking about monoliths?

[onyx escarp]

Prophecies are the main mechanic for CoF

Have you finished the main campaign yet?

[rough depot]

Not yet

[onyx escarp]

When you get to Maj'Elka in the Divine Era you get to choose between 2 factions

Merchant Guild which lets you trade with other players or Circle of Fortune which lets you exchange favour you gain for "prophecies"

Prophecies are basically like small quests that tell you to "kill x" when you complete that objective you get additional rewards dropping

[rough depot]

Ah ok thx for info

[muted willow]

I've got multiple characters, some are with CoF, some are with MG. If I switch one character from one faction to another, do both factions get their favour reset to 0 or just the one I'm leaving?

[muted willow]

ok, just the one you're leaving

[supple halo]

is favor shared between the characters? like, if I have 200k favour on my cof character can I spend them on an mg character?

[sturdy pond]

no, favor in CoF stays in CoF, also if you swap you lose Favor

[supple halo]

favor, not reputation, right?

[sturdy pond]

yes you keep your rank

[supple halo]

so

1. if I swap my rogue to mg from cof I lose all favor but keep my rank?

2. I cant use my cof rogue's favor on my mg mage

[upbeat coral]

anyone able to teleport us to circle of fortune? we are on Australia server

[vague leaf]

How it maybe - lost all ranks and favor, and how result - cannot use items

Lost all items and tabs from stash, money, and all item from inventory too

[sage hearth]

That's called making your char play "solo"

You probably checked all the boxes to not share anything upon creating your character

That's why you don't see em on other characters

That's what I did too, that's why I just play 1 and keep all my 3-4LP uniques as a salt to the wound in my stash

[vague leaf]

That was my offline character(( Yesterday playing and all going fine, after night - all was broken

[vague birch]

How does it work when you wanna change faction on one char?

I got 3 chars. Cof mg mg. I wanna change the first mg one to cof. What will happen to it? It takes the cof rank and favour of the first char, ie share it, and that's it? Will I lose the favor accumulated account wide on mg?

[echo tangle]

Hello, i am farming fall of the empire timeline for 1lp+ bullwark of the last abbys with min 19 roll. I am farming on 470 corruption currently. We can also stack prophecies. If you are interested answer this post. EUW

[sweet holly]

I went through the recent patch notes, but nothing about fixing prophecies bugging out and not giving the proper reward right ? Like I got some unique bow prophecy that should have dropped 8 of them and just got 1 and the others were rare/exalted...
just to be sure I'm not missing something

[high badge]

when a prophecy asks you to complete tier 1 dungeon, can you complete it if you do tier 4?

[lost crown]

Yes

[livid spruce]

Yeah, you'll lose your MG favor (not rank/rep) - which has no effect on you unless you want to swap back to MG. As long as that char shares a stash with your CF chars, it'll share CF rank/rep with them as well.

[vague birch]

so it won't lose CF favor, only MG favor, right? from swapping MG to CF

[livid spruce]

I believe so - been a while since I swapped last, so definitely read everything carefully. If you want to be super safe, you can also burn all your favor on prophs before the switch.

[hearty gull]

yes when you swap you only lose the favor. remember that favor is account wide tho so if you have 2 toons in MG and you want to swap 1 to CoF you will lose all your account MG favor

[vague birch]

ok, sweet, makes sense

[supple halo]

wowowoowow wait, but you keep the rank? so if I have a char in MG 10ranks, I can create an alt, share the 10 ranks and then swap to cof?

[hearty gull]

yeah you keep the ranks if you have rank 10 MG and make an alt in MG then swap 1 of them to CoF you will keep MG10 but you will lose all your favor for MG on all characters

@supple halo

[supple halo]

yeah but then the swapped char will have 10ranks in cof?

[hearty gull]

no you start from rank 1

[supple halo]

oh so you dont just lose favour, you lose also the rep

[lament juniper]

no u dont

[hearty gull]

you will have 1 character MG 10 - 0 favor and 1 character CoF rank 1 - 0 favor in that scenario

you keep the rank youve earned in each faction for ever but you lose all the favor when you swap

both factions level up there ranks individually so you need to grind rank 10 in both

[supple halo]

gotcha

but if I'm like cba, I can just switch back to my original faction and keep the ranks

[lucid pawn]

Saved up 10k favour. Got 10 x unique staff prophecy. All garbage again rofl

[hearty gull]

yes you can swap back and forth and keep the ranks you only lose favor when you swap

[supple halo]

ok tyvm my friend

appreciated

[hearty gull]

honestly tho CoF feels way better than MG so i dunno why youd swap back lol

[proud shale]

Higher you go easier is to farm like 50k, buy double drop or rare ones, once you are cof rank 8 - 25% of rares will drop Exalted items anyways

[proud shale]

MG and checking prices Is too time consuming xD

[hearty gull]

also MG inflation is wild, 2 weeks ago item worth 200k now its 20m

better off just taking a ton of prophecies and double drops and just playing the game

[supple halo]

I feel like I'm hitting a curve in gearing cause at the start when you have like 0 uniques prophecies are bonkers, but now I'm like "oh yeah, another 1lp that I will never use"

[hearty gull]

still better than going to the MG and searching 2lp item and seeing the cheapest one listed at 65 million

id rather just play the game and have a slower progression in CoF and have loot be exciting than endlessly grind money

[supple halo]

yeah but that gives me a set goal for example, while in CoF after a while I feel like I'm punching in the dark

[hearty gull]

CoF has higher chance of more LP chances to get double loot higher chance of T7s plus you can just load up on heaps of prophecies in the same timeline for monos or general monos and just go hammer 1 time line and get showered in tons of loot feels good

[supple halo]

maybe ill just try it with an alt and just drop it if it doesnt appeal to me

[hearty gull]

yeah its worth playing both to figure out what works for you

[supple halo]

like, im trying to get an LP jungle queen belt and I've gotten like 16 1lp (which translates to a gajillion belts I just left on the ground)

[hearty gull]

yeah CoF can be a slower grind but that means more reason to play (for me personally). MG depending on your build you can buy everything you need in 1 session then your playing just to increase corruption with no more gearing goals because you bought it all already

but each to there own try MG you might love it and enjoy the feeling of making gold to buy your gear

[supple halo]

kinda like irl THE HORROR

[thick briar]

I enjoy the grind for gear more than corruption pushing personally. For me once I get to a point where I "finish" a build I usually create a new char

[hearty gull]

yeah me to

[supple halo]

what does more corruption do anyway? it says increased loot rarity so is it like more items that would be rare will be exalted, etc?

[thick briar]

Also, I think it increases odds of higher LP and I also believe there are going to be leaderboards in future.. not sure though

Either way I am looking forward to more endgame content other than monos in the future

[hearty gull]

yeah more corruption is higher chance for T7 higher chance for more LP and has better echo rewards

echos will start rewarding more exalted and unique gear

[hearty gull]

yeah Im super hype for future seasons, as far as cycle ~0 ~1 whatever they wanna call this release its a very very solid beggining

[thick briar]

Honestly, been playing on and off since 2021 and this is by far my favorite arpg dungeon crawler

I like how this game lends itself to theory crafting and not just copying and paste g builds

[hearty gull]

yeah I think LE is more enjoyable than POE but in different ways they are both good games and I dont wanna start an argument over what ones better cos they are both better in different ways but long term i think ill play LE a lot more in future seasons with a bit more end game

[thick briar]

I don't mind saying I like LE more than POE and D4. I feel like it is more difficult and challenging than d4 and not as hard to theory craft and understand as POE skills and passive can be

[supple halo]

E-xactly

[blissful obsidian]

Yeah! I never a got to make a good built in PoE without looking at someone's and gave up crafting. Hahaha

In LE I didn't have to look at any build guide and managed to make something nice and managed to craft*stuff.

[hearty gull]

yeah most people or convos get super aggro when you say 1 is better than the other but yeah LE > POE > D4 imo. LE has more to offer players with limited time and is overall easier to proccess and understand

[supple halo]

just the dungeon roadblocks are grinding my gears

[weary tree]

That easier to process and understand comes at the cost of depth. And I would even say a "good" build in Last Epoch won't get you anywhere close as a "meta" build. For example in PoE you can throw currency at a bad build to make it playable but you can't in LE.

[thick briar]

But why only play meta?

[weary tree]

It's not about only playing meta, it's just that meta builds get crazy strong in comparison. And if you want to push 1k corruption you are pigeonholed.

[hearty gull]

is massive depth always a good thing tho? PoE is so bogged down by trying to understand systrems ontop of systems ontop os systems, that yes you can make a decent build work in POE with enough currency but at the cost of player experience. I personally love both these games again for different reasons and they both share a very good space and offer things in a different way.

[supple halo]

I was ranting about mg and now a 3lp jhelkor's drop and I'm like.... maybe not?

[hearty gull]

grats man

[weary tree]

I would say that massive depth isn't always a good thing but it gives you an option to have more ways to express yourself whilst in LE it feels a bit like RNG is everything. But yeah both are good at what they are doing differently.

[final ferry]

what does the number beside the skull mean in Prophecies? for example 6 - does this mean I need to kill 6 of the required enemy to complete the prophecy?

[gleaming mirage]

Yeah that

[noble wedge]

hell yeah 160 hours later rank 10 cof

[gleaming mirage]

And if it can be fulfiled multiple times, it's that many of the enemy for each

gz!

[noble wedge]

ty!

time to proper target farm

[lucid pawn]

Cof finally gave me a 1LP wheel of torment staff... slammed 300% spell dmg on that bad boy

[torpid lava]

ooh nice

[final ferry]

Ok, makes sense, I cant seem to find any Diamond Matron, and I need to find and kill 3 holy shight, and I was wondering why my other prophecy of killing void horros is not completing - I need to kill 6 in 1 run fauk

[supple halo]

is it monolith matron or just in general?

[gleaming mirage]

Check this https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/npc/DiamondNagasa

[final ferry]

just in general.

[supple halo]

there are definitely ones in the upper palace last waypoint before majasa

[final ferry]

thanks

[final ferry]

Ok. thank you

[solid seal]

if you ever need to find a specific monster, the full list - https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/bestiary

[supple halo]

Somehow never noticed there was a bestiary there

[mighty laurel]

Do high corruption prophecies have a better chance to drop rarer uniques? (not by nature of the corruption they trigger at being higher but are the prophecies weighted towards rarer drops?)

[spare valve]

does anyone know if the exp blessing is additive or multiplicative with corruption exp increase?

[hollow steeple]

CoF prophecie kill 5 siege gollem for 8x unique bows, didnt drop a singel unique bow only rare and exalted bows. isnt it supose to only drop unique??

[livid spruce]

They are both the % increased experience stat, so they are additive unless the text is bugged

[solid seal]

From FrozenSentinel's test, multiplicative. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsZileDTLzQ

[spare valve]

interesting!

thank you for sharing

[livid spruce]

Interesting... they should probably reword something lol

[dawn galleon]

Is there any reason to do T4 Temp dungeon aside from prophs? Only a few unique require t4 to slam

[spare valve]

julra has one more unique in her drop pool that's specific to t4 iirc

[livid spruce]

T4 dungeons also are all level 100, so they have higher chance for LP on their drops and drop better items in general. Their door modifiers are also better.

T3 vs T4 usually doesn't matter too much except in Arbor, so I usually pick based on whichever has the better daily modifier if I don't need the T4 unique

[worthy hill]

Just killed Gasper at 300c and all he dropped was a 3 set due to CoF. No uniques, No exalted. feck all. So frustraing as it's demotivating to constantly rank up a mono to get ripped by the CoF mechanic thats supposed to help. Second time this has happened.

[azure bough]

LE feels like there's just so much more to explore, the story is cooler/longer/you travel more.

POE - i finished the vanilla campaign once (Not-a-cockroach!) and haven't looked back. Pretty sure i don't want to start again there washed up on the shore with a wooden club and spike throwers chasing me 😄

[mighty laurel]

has anyone looked into whether the wealth or rhyme lens is better? (double rewards vs double triggers)

[dawn galleon]

Why not both

[cedar ridge]

Hello there, just joined CoF 😉 What should i focus on as a mage ?

[craggy terrace]

Depends on what you need for your build

[cedar ridge]

ok, no need to hoard favors ?

or to spend them wisely for first things (no long term stuff to get first or anythingà?

[craggy terrace]

Yeah, that you have to do regardless of the class

Then you start to target farm stuff

With lenses and prophecies

[cedar ridge]

ok so if i dont have any specific needs for now i can just hoard until i do?

[craggy terrace]

Damn typos

[craggy terrace]

Absolutely

[cedar ridge]

should i get lenses only at first for example? I understood it would help improvign what i can get from prophecies

[craggy terrace]

You use lenses when you have a precise idea of what ypu looking for

They are basically to reroll prophecies and getting the ones you want

[cedar ridge]

ok so for now i just spend 350-400 to complete the quest and i can go ahead w/o wondering, there is no cap or +x% gain or anything

[jolly trail]

i use the bonus loot ones and -arena

doesn't really target any specific loot

[cedar ridge]

oh ok

[jolly trail]

the greaters are significantly better than the lessers

[cedar ridge]

ok thank you guyz

[jolly trail]

if u do only need a single type then maybe consider a lesser instead of arena

the bonus loot is great and stacks with r10

[worthy hill]

Do they stack? I can socket more than 1, but no idea through testing if they do.
Anyone tried it and found out?

[jolly trail]

the same of 1 type don't but the 80 and 90 do

idk about the others like the regionals. considering the bonus items don't i wouldn't assume any can stack

[worthy hill]

80 and 90? I was referring to, for example the 20% 1H weapon per level. At level 10 with 2 in, would I have 200% or 400%?

[jolly trail]

342% increase in price for 400% increase in loot. which is doubled at r10 so 800% loot

[jolly trail]

there's probably not a good way to game test that. i wouldn't do it. you can visually see that the 80% cost one doesn't stack

[worthy hill]

So you're saying the 20% plus double rewards works, but 2 x 20% doesn't?

[jolly trail]

no the same type doesn't stack

the 80 and 90% cost increases do stack

[white narwhal]

Hope to catch rank7 tonight, do you drop more often t7 affix?

[worthy hill]

I'll go look and see. Thanks a lot. given me something to do.

[jolly trail]

you can put the lenses in but you would have to sample a large size

[next cape]

More often is an understatement. My loot filter only shows T7 Exalteds, or double or more Exalted. I didn't do that in the pre 1.0 world for years.

[jolly trail]

reroll 1000 times and you might be able to determine if they stack

[white narwhal]

Thanks, i found a frozen ire 3lp and l4 a decent scepter

[jolly trail]

rhyme and wealth seem like instant picks to me

[foggy dawn]

can you increase exile unique drop rates with prophecys?

[jolly trail]

so u dont really have to worry if the others stack

since there's just the 1 slot left

[next cape]

No

[foggy dawn]

okay! do you know if blessings would increase it?

[next cape]

I do not believe so

[foggy dawn]

aight!

[jolly trail]

apperently they don't either. only the corruption does. the chance for LP should work on boss loot too

[foggy dawn]

Alright! Thanks 🙂

[jolly trail]

im optimistic next season they do something for boss loot on cof.

i hope they remove set items from runes of ascendance too

[worthy hill]

True Fact: My drop rates and dps improve 10% with my RGB all on. 😎

[jolly trail]

im 2nd guessing my red ring strat with runes since so many dam set rings drop

[worthy hill]

Turn ur RGB full up.

😇

[jolly trail]

i have no rgb

maybe thats why my gear sucks

[worthy hill]

There you have it then. More proof. Try sticking some colour sweet wrappers over your eyes to simulate the effect.

😅

[icy steppe]

Was wondering if I have a prophecy that requires me to complete a Tier 2 Dungeon, will that prophecy still proc if I complete a tier 3 or 4 dungeon?

[jolly trail]

yes

[dire oasis]

Which telescope would i use for an off hand catalyst prophecy?

[verbal lagoon]

Is this te better guild?

[fringe wind]

For solo play

Offline/Solo play characters should really use this.

[lost sedge]

East one, falls under the weapon category technically.

[worthy hill]

EOS

[cedar ridge]

first monolyth, what should i focus on? There is an arena key, is it good ?

[worthy hill]

Normal Mono?

[cedar ridge]

yep, just got my first echo! Lvl 60...

i feel like im slow, lack DPS ...

first time i play such game w/o a guide 😄

[worthy hill]

Just blast through as quicvk as possible staying on the right side. Look out for the exp blessing from Outcasts when you kill the boss https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/IIwBgzALMwSdA

[keen nimbus]

Do I need to put new lens for another character?

[worthy hill]

What build you playing? I'm sure someone playing the same will guide you with advice if you need it.

[cedar ridge]

On the right side? i didnt get it, i charged the beacon.... and stayed in the area, now im running in map to get stability 😄

[cedar ridge]

This is my build at the moment...: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/om6npZ4A

[oblique flax]

Runemaster, Level 60

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.3

Class:

Mage (37) / Runemaster (34)

General:

▸ Health: 928, Regen: 23/s
▸ Mana: 156, Regen: 12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 182%, Regen: 50/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 21 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 77% / 74% / 45% / 7% / 14% / 66%
▸ EHP: 1,309 / 1,309 / 1,286 / 1,021 / 727 / 759 / 1,183

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 227
▸ Armor Mitigation: 16% (246)
▸ Block Chance: 2%, Mitigation 18% (101)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Fireball (20)
• Disintegrate (20)
• Teleport (20)
• Runic Invocation (20)
• Flame Ward (20)

Used unique items:

None

[worthy hill]

Sorry, my bad. I should have been more clear.
Outcasts first, then Black Sun, Then End ing the Storm, etc up to the top 3 as you progress through normals.
In each one on normal, dw about loot too much. Just blast through to the objective to get to empowered asap. Then once at empowered, re-look at your build again.

Maxroll Runemaster Levelling guide https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/runemaster-leveling-guide

[cedar ridge]

but is the campaign over already ?

[worthy hill]

Not until Chaper 9 and you kill the last boss. But dw, you can backtrack and do that later. Some players tend to level to make it easier.

Sorry for typos. using 2 pcs and screens etc. IT HAS FECK ALL to do with the whisky.

[cedar ridge]

ok got your point about path in monoliths, so now i will just do monolyths until top 3?

[cedar ridge]

may take some time since the outcasts things may be done tonight but thats it

[worthy hill]

Yes, then after clearing top 3, you get option to repeat them all, oh so many times, /sigh on empowered

I've been doing empowered for the last 4 days trying to get a weapon and shield, and got feck all. My life is in tatters, my hope is all lost, I'm in a dark place with the Gods of Loot,
On the bright side. There's always day 5. 🤣

@cedar ridge You using a loot filter?

[cedar ridge]

yep got one online and added a filter to recolor things i may be interested in but i feel like its not that good loot filter overall but issue is im not sure about what i want/need atm 😄

[worthy hill]

My advice is to make your own early in the game. That way, even if you use a premade one, you'll have more of an understanding how they work. I did a basic guide on YT, check it out. Its not the best, but it gives the basics.

[cedar ridge]

yeah i think i got it with the order etc and i identified few lacks on my own but in the end its not restrictive enought to focus on my build... because i dont really know what my build is atm 😄

I used the one from GRINGO as a start

[worthy hill]

👍

[cedar wren]

just duped lp3 jelkhors and lp1 red ring. cof 10 op

[jolly trail]

Huge

[worthy hill]

gz

cof lvl 9 here. 1m ish to go yet.

[livid basin]

Congrats

[versed meadow]

Hey guys, anyone finding that their lens are not working when they log on? Usually when I log in the first time of day I'm finding arena events and dungeons as prophecies even though I have 2 lens that are supposed to prevent them? restarting the game doesn't fix it unless I spend some of my currency to reroll

[sage hearth]

It's a bug, but one of no importance to patch atm

You just have to fess up 320 favor to reroll once

[icy harbor]

Damn nice! Gimme those jelkhors haha

[hoary kite]

if im targetfarming exalteds as a rank 10 CoF player, is it better to take rare prophecies and bank on the 25% proc?

I suspect they might be more cost effective but cba doing the math haha

[versed ocean]

Hi, does Greater Lenses cannot stack? Like any of them?
Or I can do certain rarity+repetativity?

Or does all greater lenses inc cost?

[solid seal]

I've only tested the rank 8 and 9 greater lenses (double rewards and double uses). You do not benefit more than once from the same lens. So stacking double rewards multiple times will only double the rewards once.

[versed ocean]

No-no, i mean rarirty + reportativity not rarirty x2 or repetativity x2

[solid seal]

they are different lenses, so that is fine

[versed ocean]

Oh. Okay. There is just remark that it cannot stack with lenses that block activites and that inc. price

But i think the only one who inc price is this two with x2 profits?

[solid seal]

double rewards increases favor cost by 90%, double uses increases favor cost by 80%

no other lens increases cost

[versed ocean]

Is there any difference which one to use? Looks like 80% is better, but more time consuming, right (if need to kill some bosses)? 🤔

[solid seal]

Both double use and double reward are great.

I use item type + double use + double rewards for 3 telescopes (idols/shards, weapons, accessories) and unique rarity + double use + double rewards for the armour telescope (farming more than 1 armour unique)

[versed ocean]

Hmmm, thanks fr advices. :)

p.s. by last messages - looks like I killed my "o" key. :D

[versed ocean]

If I still need a lot of accessories (not unique), it would be better to get lens for exalt drops, then for item type, right? :) (just got to t8 CoF)

[next cape]

Absolutely.

[versed ocean]

thanks! <3

[hoary kite]

damn ive been spending my favor wrong then

[next cape]

Keep in mind that if you are mainly trying to get an Exalted for slamming if you see Rare it's far more useful (when you get late game CoF IMO you want to be limting your slams to T7 Exalted, T6 are a literal dime a dozen)

[versed ocean]

Btw, in blue Telescope I never seen ''adorned' idols or w/e they called. Is there some subtypes like: small idol, huge idol, idol and I need huge to get adorned one? Or just a lot of rolling?

[solid seal]

If there exists a prophecy that rewards what you want, yes. Accessory prophecies can reward "Rare Jewelry x9", "Rare Ring x10" and "Rare Bone Amulet x8".

[versed ocean]

🫶

[solid seal]

Make sure you have 1 lens targetting adorned idols. It doesn't have a rank requirement. Stout idols are the only ones that have a rank requirement (rank 3).

[versed ocean]

Oh, nvm, there is a lens for it! sorry @solid seal ye, ty

[lucid pawn]

Ok! Prophs finally paying off. 2LP hubris gloves

[glossy bison]

I have a level 100, 90, and 80, but yet am still only level 9 CoF. Is that normal? I spend favor as I accumulate it...usually hitting 50-100K and then buy a huge swath of prophecies to do. Anything I can do to hurry this along?

[deft crag]

push corruption

[wide sandal]

Xp tomes, xp blessing and higher corruption

[glossy bison]

OK, got it. Find another interesting item and create another alt, never pushing past 200C on any of my characters. 🫡 😭

[lunar burrow]

Did they nerf xp tome frequency? Feel like I hardly see them anymore and favor is sooo slow without them

[solid seal]

750 xp = 1 favor = 4 rep. You get 2 for earning a favor and 2 rep for spending that favor. Experience tomes is still the best way to get favor. Each experience tome gives 471 favor (1413 for all 3 tomes), doesn't scale up, and will scale down if earned in a timeline below area level 95. Experience blessing, experience shrine, and timeline corruption all increase the amount of experience you get per kill, increasing the favor you earn per kill. Rerolling on telescopes and purchasing prophecies count as spending (not sure about buying items off the vendor). Using the Greater Lenses that increase favor cost (double rewards and double uses) helps with maximizing spending. Unless you are farming for a specific weapon or idol type, they are typically the best lenses too.

[solid seal]

XP tomes still frequently spawn around the start of the timeline web for me. usually find 2-3 in each direction up to 4 nodes deep.

[deft crag]

hahaha yeah thats pretty much it

[solid seal]

The only thing in patch notes they've mentioned is rank 5 not applying to it

[deft crag]

since the more xp you get more xp on guild you get aswell @glossy bison

[junior mason]

Does buffs from CoF works on monolith bosses or monolith extra rewards?

[wide sandal]

Yes

[glass musk]

there isnt a regional lense of daggers?

[solid seal]

Focusing Lens of Knives

[glass musk]

lmao im blind ty

[solid seal]

CoF perks do not affect monolith unique boss drops. Corruption and increased item rarity are the only things that affect monolith unique boss drops. Exclusive echo rewards do benefit from CoF perks.

[mossy delta]

That's not right. CoF perks do affect monolith unique boss drops. Specifically Rank 5 and 6. Boss unique drops are monolith echo rewards so you have 35% chance for them to double (not duplicate). Rank 6 gives you boss uniques twice the chance for LP. I admit Rank 5 is anecdotal on my part, but rank 6 definite affects boss drops.

And there is no such thing as "Exclusive echo rewards". Well, besides experience tomes. But funny enough, that isn't affected by CoF perks.

[molten oar]

Pretty sure rank 5 doesn't work on boss drops, monolith bosses can drop multiple uniques by default - they always drop 1 common unique and have a chance for each rare one

[mossy delta]

I said it is anecdotal becasue 2k in 0.9.2 never gave me every single boss drop unique. But I get every single one dropping semi often in 1.0

[solid seal]

Rank 5 is specifically about monolith echoes. Rank 1 is about enemies, which doesn't apply to fixed loot like boss uniques.

[next cape]

What typecast said.

[mossy delta]

No one said anything about rank 1. The quest echos are monolith echoes.

[solid seal]

As for "exclusive echo rewards" https://imgur.com/Oqo1mOl

[mossy delta]

404

[solid seal]

fixed

[mossy delta]

Okay, just to be clear, it doesn't mean those uniques/sets are unique to the monolith. Just the nodes themselves are unique to the monolith. Lots of people have been confusing that and think some uniques can only be gotten from those echoes. That is the only reason I made the distinction.

[molten oar]

yeah "exclusive echo rewards" means these types of echoes only appear on that monolith

but the loot from those echoes is just world drop uniques (and set items, but those don't matter)

[mossy delta]

Rank 5 is debatable as it is only anecdotal on my part and a couple streamers saying it with absolutely no backing besides experience from pre 1.0 and post 1.0. But
Rank 6 100% affects boss uniques.

[molten oar]

Yeah, still pretty bad though. Those boss specific uniques are meant to be the target farmable ones and the target farm faction can't target them

[solid seal]

I checked tomes around the start with a web reset and pushed out in the different directions, still got 10 experience echoes and didn't go 5 levels deep in all directions. Doesn't seem like a ninja nerf happened. https://imgur.com/nR8IWud

[mossy delta]

yes they can? boss drops are super easy to get.

[lucid pawn]

But we can.. the boss is right there

[icy harbor]

Idk if it affects, but ive seen plenty of boss kills netting me their 4 diferent uniques in a single run pretty often, pre 1.0 never happened

So i assume it does affect

I havent played MG this cycle tho, so i cannot compare loot with MG

[mossy delta]

I played MG, but didn't really do enough bosses before swapping

[solid seal]

that's just how the loot system works. Multiple tables where it's possible to get an item off every table.

[molten oar]

took me from level 77 to 98 to get my first pair of icebound shackles doing only formosus while pushing corruption and stacking multipliers before each one

[mossy delta]

yeah. but it's a comparison of pre and post 1.0. It's not looking at just the current state. All boss uniques dropping from a single run never really happened this much if ever pre 1.0

[mossy delta]

Seems fine.

[lunar burrow]

Ahh I've been focussing on pushing out, will work around the middle a bit more and see if that help

[icy harbor]

I dont have proof/ could be rng of course, but ive played 200+ hr on 0.9 and about same with 1.0 and the diference is considerable in boss drops, so from my experience, it does affect. Ofc it could be just rng, but with a decent amount of hours i think i can make my own conclusions untill its stated otherwise

[molten oar]

they also made other changes to drops with 1.0 though, like corruption is significantly stronger

[mossy delta]

yeah. I'm at 1k pre 1.0 and 300 post 1.0. I think it personally affects it.

[icy harbor]

I play 300-400 corruption, shouldnt impact drops much

[molten oar]

if the drops are actually doubled, you would expect to see multiple of the same drop sometimes - and multiple common drops 35% of the time

[mossy delta]

Corruption doesn't affect boss drops, it is the rarity that does. So you can just compare rarity pre/post/

[mossy delta]

That just can't happen.

A boss can only drop a single of a unique

[molten oar]

yes, like unique echoes only drop a single unique

[mossy delta]

No. it's not the same thing.

Like you could multiply the boss drop by 100

[molten oar]

if the drop is doubled 35% of the time it should be... doubled... 35% of the time

[mossy delta]

it would only drop all of its uniques once

[molten oar]

it's not an increased rate it's a doubling

like you got twice the exp tomes not twice as much exp on each tome

[solid seal]

https://youtu.be/Q5nMP2dBhUs?t=368

[molten oar]

the way it's written it should roll the drops, then 35% chance to roll the drops again

[mossy delta]

Yes. there is a rule to boss uniques that supersede that

It does roll the drops again. It just can't physically drop more than 1 of each unique.

That rule has precedence.

[molten oar]

that doesn't make sense, it can't drop more than 1 of each unique because it rolls each one once

if it's rolled again it should drop again

[mossy delta]

No. It's just a hard limit. It's not a hard thing to code.

[molten oar]

I'm not saying it's impossible to code I'm saying it would make no sense to code it this way and the only thing it does is make the doubling of loot not double the loot

[mossy delta]

Okay think of it like this. the drops are basically boolean right?

Either it drops or it doesn't and it check each unique?

Well when the 35% one procs, it rechecks them again. But something that is already true can't be true twice.

[molten oar]

but it doesn't say "rolls the drops again" it says they're doubled, and in every other instance they are doubled

[mossy delta]

The echo reward for the boss isn't the uniques. It is the roll for uniques

That is doubled

[molten oar]

it's not doubled it's a lot worse than doubled

[mossy delta]

It's only worse in the sense that true can't be true twice

[molten oar]

if you had a 35% chance to double loot you would expect 1.35x loot on average

this gives a lot less than that once you get to decent drop rates

[mossy delta]

But once again, this is only anecdotal. It may not work. I'm just explaining that there is no real flaws to the theory that it is working for boss drops.

It's 35% chance to double rewards. not loot. The reward is a role at each unique from the boss. Though yeah, if you consider that a roll can't be true more than once it is worse than "double". However, it's important to note that it is double the opportunity at the unique you want. You really don't care about doubling the loot on the bosses. You are just looking to double your chances at a specific unique.

[silent arrow]

thats useless

for uniques

when prophecies exist

[molten oar]

it would just make absolutely 0 sense to code it this way

[mossy delta]

good luck getting boss uniques from prophecies

[silent arrow]

wut

thats not effected by COF anyways

[solid seal]

oh boy...

[mossy delta]

yeah. i"m not going through this again. lol. just read from beginning if you're interested. It's not that important to me and really unless you got spreadsheet data comparing MG and CoF at same rarity or Dev saying otherwise, I think it only natural to believe my anecdotal evidence.

[silent arrow]

can you guys not read or something

[solid seal]

I can. I'm on team "CoF doesn't effect boss uniques drops"

[mossy delta]

Well you are absolutely wrong with that because Rank 6 does affect it guaranteed

[silent arrow]

it says "monolith echoes" bosses aren't echoes, nor are they rewards. bosses are technically "quest echoes"

[mossy delta]

Bosses are echoes

[silent arrow]

no they arent

someone ask EHG mike next QNA

[mossy delta]

That's fine too. This seems way more important to you than me.

[silent arrow]

If you kill a boss, do you gain an echo count?

[silent arrow]

I mean, misinformation is a pretty big deal yeah

[mossy delta]

I have prefaced everything with saying this is anecdotal and it may not work.

so come again?

For someone telling others to read, you read very little.

[silent arrow]

what ancedote??

wheres your proof?

where's your data?

[mossy delta]

Playing the game pre 1.0 and post 1.0. Using The Curse's data on reign of dragons at specific rarity values and then getting significantly better at same rarity.

[silent arrow]

So you think the interaction is essentially if it procs, he drops two of his uniques instead of 1?

[mossy delta]

And tbh, this line of questioning is dumb. I already prefaced everything with that it might not work and it is just anecdotal. Data doesn't even matter in this case.

No

So you don't read. got it

[silent arrow]

brother you literally argued about the code. we're far past speculation