💰┃merchants-guild

[pearl walrus]

So, I just woke up like an hour ago and also you were memeing a tad hard yesterday so imma ask

Are you memeing rn or nah?

cause of the whole "stop speculation" ish from the mods yesterday lol

[unique wadi]

I believe you weren't online when mods straight up started deleting alot of msg because of "speculation"

And their mere presence stopped everybody from chatting

[pearl walrus]

no no i was

that's why i was asking lmfao

if you were memeing or not hahaha

[unique wadi]

I am as serios as the mods

xD

[pearl walrus]

hah

but on the real

[tiny spire]

Alternatively, give a window of opportunity for everyone who wants to switch. People who want to stay in MG afterwards will have to bear the risks that the markets won't recover or that another exploit might happen.
I've almost made it back to rank 10 CoF and it was extremely excruciating to do when you have 5 chars geared in MG. I honestly can't imagine many people going this route or wanting to stay in the current MG either. It's a lose/lose if they don't intervene and as bad as interventions are, it might be 100% necessary here.

[pearl walrus]

mike was asked two questions:

1. If they are going to be releasing a communication and retrospective (yes they are and they are also going to be watching the market more closely now)
2. If they are going to be DOING anything to the market, to which he said they have a plan he just couldnt reveal anything yet

[unique wadi]

Nice

[granite moss]

It's to the point just list everything for 1.5bill

[humble burrow]

wym like the market is recovering

[blazing forum]

tbh market already looks much better again than 15-20h ago. decent amount of 1lp red rings and 2lp twisted hearts, even below 1.5.

+4 frost claw prices have dropped way down too

[humble burrow]

yup and they have even fp now

[reef osprey]

Market has been fine today. I geared out a new BM for dirt cheap (1-2LP and 1 T6/7 exalted for each

[humble burrow]

in like 5 days or w.e everything will be normal if there isnt a nother exploit

only thing i dont get is why its even going down

like did they ban people that exploitet it and like that the gold is gone or what?

[reef osprey]

They sent out a ban wave yesterday at some point

[blazing forum]

bought them twice with fp even during bubble (one even with int or open prefix), but yea, they were rare then

[blazing forum]

not entirely sure about the normal. there still is much more gold around than before

[humble burrow]

ye i think they need to reqork arbor a bit or make crafting cost gold not fp

actually make crafting cost gold would be cool i think

[reef osprey]

That will still level itself out as long as excessive amounts don't make it back in

[humble burrow]

u have a good money sink

and u cant brick items instantly

[wicked zephyr]

After maxing out both MG and COF I will say that they each have their own advantages. MG is great for min maxing character fairly easily, assuming the market is not corrupted by exploits. COF on the other hand allows you to get increased chances of dropping higher tier gear. I still feel that COF is inferior to MG for min maxing. What you guys think?

[tiny spire]

Did a quick check just now and I wouldn't call it normal.
2lp Shakles still 800m
1lp Red Rings out of the 8 on the market 2 sets of 2 are identical
2lp Twisted is 900m
+4 Frostclaw is 500m

Not normal to require the player to have more gold than what the programmed values can hold (gold cap). And then you need multiple of those to gear one character.

[leaden wharf]

they already know cof needs a buff, we are just waiting for it.

mg is waay easier to do anything, but cof feels way better in terms of dopamine

[blazing forum]

whats wrong with identical red rings?

[wicked zephyr]

@leaden wharf well said, I am glad that COF is going to be getting some tweaks 🙂

[rare sun]

Arbor is a thing and can dupe red rings

[blazing forum]

lp loot filter would be the biggest possible buff 😄

[wicked zephyr]

true that, great idea bro!

Also would be great if Exalted that fit our filter would be colored on the map like legendaries

I just wonder how many Exalted I miss while running

[leaden wharf]

and an increase to the chances of a lp, as it is quite unlikely a cof will get lp compared to mg

like, idk +1 lp at lvl 10 on every unique

[rare sun]

That would make your game way to easy no?

[tiny spire]

Been rank 10 MG for a while and on my way rank 10 CoF this week. I'd say it's easier to get some builds going for MG, especially the exalts for many builds whereas on CoF it's a bit of a gamble. Same is true for Idols which can be very annoying on CoF. In terms of late game scaling it seems that CoF might be stronger. You get way more out of corruption pushing and there are drops I've got that I never seen on MG. 2x t7 or t7 + t6 exalts are so common in CoF and I got some really good ones. It's just a bit of a gamble if what you got is what you need for your build. Generic high lp uniques are also quite easy to farm and probably less time consuming on CoF.
I'd say they are quite close in their performance and it depends more on your build and personal play style.

[rare sun]

The chances of getting 2 or 3 would skyrocket

[leaden wharf]

it depends, maybe cap at 3 as it is quite easy to get 3lp on most items as mg, but impossible on cof

ar at least some flat increase to the chance of it

[tiny spire]

I know but it's always fishy when out of the few rings that are out there half of them are duplicates. Not saying it can't happen but when it's this unlikely

[wicked zephyr]

@tiny spireGood points bro, yah playstyle is a huge factor.

[rare sun]

Capping things is not the way to go as it kills possibilites

[rare sun]

And its not impossible, how much time have you pit in CoF?

[leaden wharf]

no, i mean +1 to lp till 3lp, then normal chance

[crisp swallow]

Yeah i completely agree ots far from normal

[leaden wharf]

mb, quite impossible

[crisp swallow]

People are coping so hard lmao

[rare sun]

Ive gotten many 3lp items in CoF

[rare sun]

If you played 30 hours of the game then i see wym with “quite impossible”

[unique wadi]

Market is fine

[crisp swallow]

Speculation

[leaden wharf]

i am talking about items such as twisted heart, but the hard lp to get is 2 not 3

esp cuz you need more than one for a good roll

[unique wadi]

Nein, fact

[crisp swallow]

This is fine doge

[rare sun]

3 lp twisted? I have never seen one even in MG

[blazing forum]

2lp already is really rare to drop

[signal leaf]

and alot of ppl whould never sell a lp3 becus it is to good

[rare sun]

This

[signal leaf]

so the chanse for a lp3 to even come out is alredy small

if you sell a lp 2 or 3 twisted hart ye kind amistake i whould say

becus most builds can use them

[crisp swallow]

If you dont need it whats the issue

[leaden wharf]

reread the msg, i said th is more about 2lp than 3lp

[humble burrow]

lp3 or 4 would simply be not worth to sell on market rn

[arctic gate]

Here's a suggestion. Put in a 50% tax

[cerulean vector]

The Merchand Guild is completely dead for this season due to gold sellers or it's just me being crazy with those prices ?

[blazing forum]

it's just you. sell for a lot. buy for a lot.

[signal leaf]

it is fine, becus you sell items for 100s of milions

[cerulean vector]

Yes but for sale a lot, you have to loot a good item, it doesn't happened to me so i'm so poor...

[pearl walrus]

tax would only mean people would DEFINITELY try to sell for more.

also, you wouldn't do a flat tax. you'd definitely wanna tie a sliding tax bracket to the Favor cost on the item

I.E. tax gets higher for more LP

[crisp swallow]

dont listen to these copers man. the market is legit bricked

[arctic gate]

People found a way to print free gold using third party tools. (But the game already had bots so none of the gold you got from selling is legit)

[cerulean vector]

I think it kills the game. Because for an honesty personn, the endgame is unreachable, unless if you have to loot a very expensive item but it's very rare.. So for me, the game is dead, or i have to buy gold as many players.. I just see a website selling gold, 100M gold for 1.4€, this is crazy...

[signal leaf]

No you can get to endgame easy just for Favor

[cerulean vector]

The temptation is big ! I'll not do it because i don't want to have my account banned but damn ! Dev have to do something, or the game will loose all his legit players..

[pearl walrus]

The endgame is easily reachable lol

[signal leaf]

is just you Cant afford bis items

you just need mid gear to farm like 1k C

on meta builds

[pearl walrus]

If you think “endgame” is anything between 1.5k-3k corruption, maybe you need your temper your expectations a bit

[cerulean vector]

My mistakes, it would speak about BIS Gear, not reach the endgame ^^

[blazing forum]

how did you expect to pay for BiS before the bubble? you also had to drop something good enough for someone else to buy it fopr a decent amount

[charred crypt]

Shall I buy a red ring of alataria for 80M? +5 attrib and 17% resist.. For Marksman explosive trap build

[signal leaf]

Farming and Alot of Farming gets you bis gear

[signal leaf]

yes if you hit the stats Req for it

[charred crypt]

Ok, if not then no

right?

[blazing forum]

i thought you need -mana on rings?

[signal leaf]

Well do you have 180 in all atribute ?

[charred crypt]

Yeah same thats why i'm asking

[signal jacinth]

If u have a lot of gold sure but id wait a bit until they drop more in price

[charred crypt]

I'm not even close to 180 lmao

[blazing forum]

if he had a lot of gould he'd buy a 1lp 😉

[signal leaf]

using red rings req abit more stuff. you need to play around with the stats you lose on the ring slot

on other Parts tbh

[signal jacinth]

A lot of gold as in if he would still have a few hundred million gold after buying it

[signal leaf]

and igusse all builds cant do thet becus then you need LP and hirt the slamn

[blazing forum]

im close to 180 int 😛 over it when julras procs

[charred crypt]

I do only have 42

Guess not buying

[signal leaf]

Well you count all Atribute , Str/int/dex/vit/attument to the 180

[charred crypt]

So its a no.. haha ok ty

Only if i get 180 I should get it

[signal jacinth]

If u have that much gold but only 42 total attributes u should def start buying 1lp gear and slamming the main attribute u use

[crisp swallow]

glad i got 2 1lp duplicate 3 maxrolls cof strong

[blazing forum]

have a look at uniques that give a lot of stats. foot of the mountaon, blood of exile etc. if you gte those with LP and slam the affixes on you need. that makes it easier to get the 180 for red

[charred crypt]

I'm just following majjestic build

I didnt focus on stats due to that

[signal leaf]

haha HF:D

[charred crypt]

I have 650M thats why I was asking if was worth it

Guess I got the answer, thank you guys

[barren rune]

Maj has the best builds

or well, the most broken

[signal leaf]

Well often 99% is not even his builds:D

[barren rune]

lol just sold an idol for 250m again .. jesus these people

[signal leaf]

😄

[barren rune]

whats money cap?

[charred crypt]

wtf man what kind of idol? what stats?

[barren rune]

wait have to look

[blazing forum]

wish i could see my buy history. i know i spent 20m on an idol before, no idea what was my highest

[blazing forum]

bit over 2 bil

[blazing forum]

sold a few for 500 😉

[charred crypt]

WTF

what kind of idols?

[signal leaf]

2,4b ithink it is

[barren rune]

Clerics Adorned Rahyeh idol of combustion - 87% increased heal and 13% fire pen with melee attacks ... i play the paladin shotgun build so i use other healing idols

[blazing forum]

14% frost claw and the other one was lightning crit

[charred crypt]

wow

[ornate frost]

im lf t7 increased or added void dmg on 2 hand axe in hc

[barren rune]

just search for mattjestic builds at youtube - and sell everything in his builds - you ll get rich 😄

[charred crypt]

Guess I will have a look

[barren rune]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjcY2Pf7hjERULvw7L-K3CA

[signal jacinth]

I’ve seen this guy upload a ton of builds but all of them are just other peoples builds with very little differences if anything

[charred crypt]

I know he copies and shares but makes easier to me to click on his video and copy the build

[barren rune]

yea, but he always gives credit to them and just explains em in detail - i like it. I dont have to look around so much that way. There are probably many others

[charred crypt]

I have tons of idols but I have 0 idea which one is worth selling

I'd appreciate any help if you have free time ofc

[bleak patrol]

Kinda hard to know. The market is flooded and hard to search for specific rolls.

-As a rule of thumb, generic stats like High health, resistances, penetration, ward, armor+mana, vitality are good. If they have perfect roll you might have something.
-There is also stats around meta builds specific to classes, like frostbite duration, chance to summon flame wraith, etc.. (you can check meta builds for an idea)
-From what I saw, if you do not have 2 good stat on an idol, it's not worth enough to bother

[blazing forum]

yea, big money is one (nearly) max roll and one at least ok - with both stats used for some meta build

[dense flame]

Keep an eye out in my discord 👀

[barren rune]

man i just wish you could be more precise while browsing uniques - there are like 200 pages and uniques have like 4-5 variables .. we need more filter, going insane

[fleet kestrel]

News posted about the gold glitch

[blazing forum]

"any time an exploit comes up, we give it our full and immediate attention" tbh i think that would have meant locking trade til fix and abuser ban

[trail crescent]

Will there ever be better posibilities to search on stats in the bazaar? If i wanna sell an item i have to look through 100 sides of bad items, until i find some with simular stats on.
I have tons of items, idols and gear ill never set for sale cause it cost me 15mins on each item to find out what the price supposed to be

[blazing forum]

"At this point, we’re not implementing any actions which we’re able to talk about, however if we do plan to take any actions which directly effect players we will communicate those actions." sounds like advanced notice before they mess with gold/taxes/whatever

[opal thistle]

Remember when people panicked and thought that there would be a market reset?

Pepperidge Farm remembers

Looks like the markets are starting to recover a bit too

RRoA is back to 80m

From its 800m high over the weekend

[upper mist]

gold tax in 1.1 it seems

[opal thistle]

Or something, seems like they haven't finalized anything

[blazing forum]

RRoA=?

[opal thistle]

Red Ring of Atlaria

[upper mist]

return return on assets

[blazing forum]

ah

[thin badge]

really? damn tough luck.

[upper mist]

should have put a decent gambler instead haha

[delicate notch]

oh really? red ring now only 80m? nice

[unique wadi]

I am still waiting 1 more week to spend my 10B gold

Can't wait

[delicate notch]

that's a lot! i have only 1.6b atm and dunno how to spend it. and i'm about to quit this cycle so i dunno what to do with it. maybe buy some random 1.5b item so that other people can benefit

[blazing forum]

yea, i should have hoarded as well. pretty high chance for 1-2 16 int red rings tbh

[steep orbit]

aite, im listing something for 1.5 now, cheers mate

😂😂

[blazing forum]

gl. but bit late. the craziest bubble is over

[steep orbit]

the days after the exploit became public, everything was selling for ridiculous prices

i sold a 2lp twisted heart for 1.5 and a 1lp strand of souls for 500m

lowkey wished i farmed more but i was busy that weekend

[charred lintel]

Until the next one, just no point in engaging with trading in this game. They'll never be able to keep up with the exploiters and bots.

[blazing forum]

would have bought the heart. bought a pretty expensive strand 😉 thought there was a decent possibility they'd mess with the gold but not with items

[delicate notch]

yeah sold a bunch of items for 1.5b and used it to buy some BiS items. now i have 5 maxed out characters (for me at least). i grinded 1 to 1k corruption and i think it can still reach higher. i'm getting lazy tho and doing that to other characters is too tedious

[steep orbit]

i still got a long way to go to max my guy

[delicate notch]

439 hrs this cycle is not too bad so i'll just chill and maybe just wait for the next cycle

[steep orbit]

but the bubble is bursting and prices are returning to normal

[delicate notch]

got my money's worth already

[steep orbit]

ish

[delicate notch]

that's good! maybe in a week or two i'll make another alt

[steep orbit]

it’s good if you got money lol

[blazing forum]

yea, one could pretty much always get higher roll implicits or slams on an item with more lp or something

[steep orbit]

the 4lp rings i need don’t exist on the market anymore

[delicate notch]

definitely! 1% power increse is not so enticing to me tho

[steep orbit]

only chance i got is to sit there and refresh but i cbf to do that

[blazing forum]

what 4lp are you aiming for? that +3 all stats?

[delicate notch]

what will happen to our gold after this cycle? will it go to legacy?

[steep orbit]

siphon of anguish and quicksilver coil

then maybe 3lp belt from orobyss but those don’t pop up either

[steep orbit]

i missed the slam on my last one which HURT

[blazing forum]

for attack speed, haste, leech? 🤔

[blazing forum]

more melee dmg, 70% armor, cleanse. the belt i understand

[tiny spire]

"and we have been and are continuing to process and ban all accounts linked to RMT services (both buying and selling)"
EHG did what others didn't dare. HUUUUGE respect to the dev team. This has been plaguing many games and I'm so glad they ban both sides.

[unique wadi]

What games don't do that?

[dense flame]

He's mainly talking about buyers I think

[delicate notch]

ah i just read the statement. thank you EHG for banning them

[plush urchin]

so a gold tax would help make 1.5 bil transactions more painfull correct?

[blazing forum]

no. it would just drain some gold from the game by "only" giving the seller 1.4 or whatever

[dense flame]

Yeah a flat tax would be good I think

On selling and buying, it would effectively increase gold value by whatever percent they tax

This would only work if both sides were taxed equally otherwise it would create less buying power if only buyers are taxed etc

[unique wadi]

Huh?Both are taxed

[blazing forum]

it doesn't matter. somewhere in the transaction will be a gold sink to remove some from the econ.

[tiny spire]

The "Snowstorm" company for example. Classic WoW had so many bots at one point that it felt like there were more bots than normal players. The buyers were never banned and the sellers in intervals of 3-4 months or so.

[plush urchin]

maybe a tax rate/bracket for transactions - the higher the value of the item, the bigger the tax rate

[dense flame]

Either one is acceptable

Flat is more easily implementable

[humble burrow]

i think the biggest problem is that we have no gold sink but we have the biggest item sink in history like u buy some uniques brick them in a matter of seconds and so on

[plush urchin]

bruh i moved from CoF to MG after trying to farm for a +3 volcanic orb relic for a week.

Fortunately i had a toon that was an efficient farmer that was class agnostic already. Found a valuable drop within 30 min, listed on the bazaar, sold, and was able to afford and find the +3 volcanic orb much much faster

[humble burrow]

how much does it cost?

[plush urchin]

200k (legacy)

[humble burrow]

is the economy normal on legacy?

200k doesnt sound like much but it might be because cycle mg was a bit inflated

[signal leaf]

well you can buy a t7 Volcanic orb for 55k :Dat cycel

[hollow stratus]

I got an Eye of Reen with 2LP with better rolls than the ones in AH for 1.5B. Is there any way to get more for it?

[leaden bay]

No, that's the max you can list an item for

[solid otter]

what problems does a gold tax solve

items already become bind on trade, its not like you can flip anything

if you're gonna add a gold sink to MG it should be a mechanical one

maybe lightless arbor should be made more attractive

[leaden bay]

If you make Lightless Arbor even better then CoF players are urged even more to have to make an MG alt

[solid otter]

MG is already urged to make a CoF alt to get glyphs/runes

[leaden bay]

....wut

[solid otter]

despairs

[leaden bay]

Dude

Go run Arbor

[solid otter]

HC doesnt have the inflation issue

red rings are only 5-10m for instance

so arbor is way less effective

[leaden bay]

I'll be blunt, don't cater to the minority with designing a game system.

[solid otter]

i think it can be balanced for both

[low prawn]

No, and those aren't actually worth 1.5 as it is.

[blazing forum]

lowest is listed as 400m, what makes you think yours is nearly 4x that?!

[hollow stratus]

@blazing forum Because it rolled way better than the one for 400m?
Perfect implicit roll, 40 Mele Fire (25-45), 157% ignite (100-200), 96% Chance Ire Stack (75-100%)

[blazing forum]

gl then

[low prawn]

doesnt make it worth 1.5b

1.5b = prefect or near perfect on everything for most items

[fresh plover]

Nah there is a huge difference on eye of reen rolls below 70% on unique modifier is a huge setback and i wouldnt even look at those reens

[hollow stratus]

You people are acting like I'm supposed to just know what an item is worth. There's literally 1 Eye of Reem 2LP on the market with slightly better stats than mine, that's selling for 1.5B. There's like 3-4 more for 1.5B with worse stats than mine. I'm orienting myself on what's on the market, how else am I supposed to gauge value, lmao.

[pearl walrus]

I take it you didn't hear/read anything regarding how the market got messed up cause of the gold exploit

[fresh plover]

List for 1.2 bil minimum imo

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[pearl walrus]

kinda lowkey hoping that people choose not to pay these insaneo amounts for items

[low prawn]

By waiting for the price to go to what its actualyl worth. You list for 1.5 and youre sitting on that for a while

[pearl walrus]

market still needs time to just recover.

[low prawn]

People buying and selling at this price point for anything shy of a 4lp or 3lp MASSIVELY META item with some insane rolls are gonna cause it to not @pearl walrus

[fresh plover]

I mean we are past point of reasonable prices now richest people have dozens of billions

And dont see how it can be salavaged at this point

[low prawn]

No, they dont. The devs literally just abnned anyone that had this kinda gold stored away

[fresh plover]

No they banned people who exploited lol

Not people who sold items to expliters

[blazing forum]

tbh i wonder how many players have a few billions stashed away now. might not be that many. guess otherwise lp1 red rings and stuff like that would still get bougth up?

[humble burrow]

it would be pretty stupid to ban people that sold gold to exploiters like imagine listing something for a high price cause everything got bought and then getting banned xD

[fresh plover]

I mean im not even teyhardong but i spent 5 bil during past week, so i assume people who no life arbor earn way more than that

[dapper bear]

Several friends who havent quit yet still have all the gold they earned while people used the exploit to have unlimited gold

Talking 30-50 items sold at 1.5b waiting to be withdrawn

[fresh plover]

Yep i wouldnt be surprised if we had a person with 50+ billion wealth now legitimate

[dapper bear]

So yeah, prices wont become reasonable this cycle

[blazing forum]

possible for sure. but i fell like the real nolife tryhard farmers went (back) to POE

[dapper bear]

They are playing poe for sure

[fresh plover]

Not really, we had barely any player loss since poe launch

I think games have different audiences

[humble burrow]

i played poe for 5min openend the skill tree and dipped again

[low prawn]

Todays peak player counts is down almost 10k from normal. So we definitely " lost players "

[humble burrow]

its during the week tho or does it get count into it?

[low prawn]

Doesnt really matter, go look at the downtrend the games on

since friday we are down 20k.

[humble burrow]

hmm ye i mean i also play less than before

[low prawn]

20k players dont magically return because its the weekend

[humble burrow]

like im doing some echos check mg see there is nothing interesting for a resonable price and then i go play smth else

[low prawn]

Like the peak player count has continued to dwindle for a while now and still hasnt leveled off

doesnt quite bode well

[humble burrow]

well there isnt much content beside echos/arbor (and maybe soulfire dunno never played it) to keep players engaged

im pretty much just playing a bit now to not fall behind too much

[low prawn]

the 30k left though should know that, numbers normally level off after about 3-4 weeks

we are past that point, and still havent leveled off

[inland kettle]

So glad the abusers got banned now merchants guild can become great again

🙏

[hallow orchid]

not realy . people who sold them items 1,5b ea they not get banned

[fresh plover]

They said we will have taxes in 1.1 which is great news imo, eaily adjustable

[hallow orchid]

i hope it was like 30%

[inland kettle]

I’m a CoF Chad anyway

[hallow orchid]

then prices wall down like hell fast

[fresh plover]

Nah we dont need 30, all we need is smth that will exceed daily income of whole playerbase so i think 10% will easily do it

[split wave]

They didn't quite commit to the tax thing, but it was also the only thing they specifically mentioned

[fresh plover]

I hope they do tbh, cause its such flexible and easy solutio

[inland kettle]

How is tax a solution

[split wave]

I agree, and it also doesn't affect the rest of the game, fewer things to have to worry about when pulling the lever

[hardy lance]

it wipes out players current money pool -- right now there's no gold sink that MG players like -- they don't like doing arbor

[split wave]

solution might be too strong of a word, but the problem MG has always had is there's no gold sink - items leave the market after trading, but gold stays around forever, making extreme inflation inevitable

[hardy lance]

so eventually, players end up with a bunch of gold, that's why prices increase

[fresh plover]

Well simple math imagine whole community earns X in 10 days with Y amount daily if taxes 10% then market will delete Y gold every day assuming all gold goes into economy so after 10th day total amount of gold will not grow

I mean its very simplified way of how itll actually work but u get the idea

[hardy lance]

If everyone's a billionaire, then money is worthless and prices go to max

that's what happened with the gold dupe bug

[inland kettle]

They should just reset everyone’s gold imo lol

Or reset down to like 10 mil

[split wave]

they aren't doing the tax as a counter to the gold duping

[hardy lance]

That's a dumb solution

[inland kettle]

Let everyone start fresh

Nah it’s one that works right away just makes some people salty

[fresh plover]

Ye tax and duping are complete separate issues

[split wave]

everyone will already be starting fresh when they implement any tax they decide on

because there will be a new cycle with 1.1

[inland kettle]

Yah I meant for current cycle

[hardy lance]

No, i was giving an example of what happens when there's a lot of gold in a game economy

[split wave]

they aren't doing a tax for current cycle

[inland kettle]

We have no idea when the next cycle will be. Could be a year away

[hardy lance]

before the gold duping bug became public, prices were already insanely inflated

[fresh plover]

We do itll be in 3 or 4 moths

[hardy lance]

because there's too much gold in the economy

the duping bug is just the extreme example / end of that

[split wave]

I was responding to the other guy, I got you

[inland kettle]

Damn

[hardy lance]

Gotcha

[inland kettle]

So 3-4 months of a broken economy still

[low prawn]

2-3 months? Cycles are on a 90 day rotation dude

they are literally just seasons with a new name

[inland kettle]

On other games yes not here?

If 3 months away that’s a 5 month cycle period since release

[fresh plover]

I mean there were some speculations that its in 2months but honestly knowing ehg i cant see that being realistic

[inland kettle]

Last epoch isn’t ready yet for a 3 month cycle period

[fresh plover]

Initially ehg said cycles will be 3-4 months and they havent decided

[split wave]

It's not a set timeline in this game (yet), but yeah new cycle every 3-4 months is roughly what they've given us

[low prawn]

game wasnt ready for 1.0 release either, yet here we are

[split wave]

they used to follow the 3-month patch cycle pretty well iirc

[fresh plover]

Honestly they are ready, in beta we had patch every 3 months, a big real patch so we know they CAN work like that, but with the amount of issues in 1.0 and pinnacle bosses in 1.1 i dont believe in 3-4 months benchmark for 1.1

[inland kettle]

Seasons need to be like 6 months long

3 months is way too short for people that have lives

[low prawn]

get out.

If you cant find the time to play over 90 days.... you should maybe consider... not playing games

[inland kettle]

Sorry I don’t have 8 hours a day to play and restart my progress every 3 months

[low prawn]

then play legacy?

and you dont need to play 8 hours a day either?

[inland kettle]

No thanks, I want to experience the new content and mechanics too

[fresh plover]

Well ehg said we will have same mechanics in legacy and ctcle

So u can enjoy legacy

[low prawn]

like... you have 90 days to experience any " new " content. If you dont hav any free time in 90 days, you probably should maybe ... not be playing games?

yeah that too

[split wave]

This game doesn't have enough content to fill out a 6-month cycle yet, and I don't think they ever will because that is a massive amount of content and not at all suitable for redoing that frequently

[low prawn]

they said the first few cycles new stuff will be added to legacy to establish a foundation

[inland kettle]

Out of that, a whole month is spent just getting to a comfortable place in end game, before any of the min maxing begins

[fresh plover]

And even after that afaik they havent said anything set in stone, so they dont know themselves yet

[low prawn]

No ists not dude

[pearl walrus]

Good thing legacy exists 🙂

[low prawn]

You can literally put together a build on most classes that can carry you to corr 1k+ in the span of a day or two, if that

[winged seal]

This

[low prawn]

Just tell the truth, you are a turbo casual

you cant sink time into the game which btw, its an arpg, spending time grinding to endgame, and playing endgame stuff is part of the genre, so complaining aobut no thaving enough of it is nuts and thats not the games fault

[winged seal]

If poe is anything to go off frist day you have your starter finished maybe 2 or 3 if its a work week

[inland kettle]

A day or two? LOL

[low prawn]

Yes?

[hybrid bronze]

You are talking about players who can hammer in 8 hours a day yes?

[inland kettle]

Do you play games all day?

[hybrid bronze]

That's beyond the majority of gamers

[low prawn]

Brother you can make an FC build on a mage thatll carry you into high corr and through ALL the games available content in the span of two days off minimal time investment

[winged seal]

No more like 4 or 5 a day easily I work a 9 to 5 and still probably play from 7 to 11 or 12 a day on most games that easily 4 - 5 days and is enough to finish a league starter in poe

[low prawn]

and thats a mage. There are classes where its even easier.

[pearl walrus]

Imma just be 100% honest; If you are of the opinion (which is an overwhelming minority despite all of the rumbling since D4 dropped and a new ARPG crowd emerged) that seasons should be longer than 3-4 months, you do not properly understand the live service cadence/development cycles associated with them and just maybe, ARPGs are not for you anymore. There's nothing wrong with that.

[low prawn]

This

[hallow orchid]

Thats merchants talk? Spam bs about no life living

[hybrid bronze]

To be clear, I'm fine with 3 month cycles 🙂 Just talking about people saying you're done in a day or two, it's beyond the scope of hours for people with jobs, lives outside of one hobby and families who I would imagine make up the majority of players.

[pearl walrus]

Using a solid example here;

Retail WoW's seasons are like 6 months long and they always die off considerably after about 3 months, which in turn kills the AH down a bit and also hits the boosting/services market considerably too.

[winged seal]

Except its what I am saying I work a 9 to 5 and do every poe league yave my league start done in the first 2 or 3 days and 1 if its a friday/weekend

[hybrid bronze]

If I'm wrong about the majority of arpg players, then I'm wrong and fair enough

[low prawn]

its really not, you can put a build that can do all the games available content, together in the span of a day or two. its really not that hard

[hallow orchid]

Get your boyfriend in private chat and stop spamming in market chay

[pearl walrus]

if it took like....a full like 2-3 weeks to get a character going in LE i'd understand the want for it to be like... 6 months

[low prawn]

I would too, but the facts are it doesnt

[hybrid bronze]

There's absolutely no leeway granted here for playerskill/experience/knowledge disparity is there? :S

[pearl walrus]

lmao

i mean

end game in this game is just getting to emp monos

[winged seal]

I mean maybe it takes longer if you have never played the game before but we all have here I mean really?

[pearl walrus]

and then if you're MG end-game is sped up rather considerably too

[split wave]

Yeah, getting 1k+ corruption in 1-2 days is definitely an exaggeration, but the game is really easy and doesn't take much time to complete all content

[pearl walrus]

yeah and like grinding 1k corruption is a choice. that's just turbo endgame lol

[low prawn]

this isnt the point. The guy was saying he cant experience all the games content in 90 days

[split wave]

like a weekend or two to get through all game content depending on your speed

[pearl walrus]

you can 100% stop at like 300-500 and just vibe

[low prawn]

which is a straight lie.

[winged seal]

I think 1k in 3 days is achieveable if you use a cheap starter builds there jsut isnt any point

[low prawn]

you can stop at empowered monos base tier, 100 corr.

that is all the games content

NOTHING CHANGES or adds anything new past 100

well

200

[winged seal]

200 changes the drops

[hallow orchid]

Omg take a room

[pearl walrus]

that all being said, MG really accelerates it too

[low prawn]

and the fact of the matter is, a build that can tackle 200 corr is relatively easy to slap togethert

[pearl walrus]

if you're playing CoF then yeah, it's gonna feel like a lot longer

[low prawn]

we are all having a civil discussion, perhaps read the room, and understand you are the only one with an issue right now?

Not very good at reading social situations are you?

[inland kettle]

If anyone here is socially inept it’s you man, lol

Taking everything way too seriously

[pearl walrus]

I felt like this was a pretty civil discussion

Hm.

[low prawn]

Cause it was

[hallow orchid]

[pearl walrus]

<@&1082357055484071997> <@&1161418687471956101> also was gonna wait for mod mail, but this comment was just str8 uncalled for. like if i had said something like this, it'd have me eating a 24h

[hallow orchid]

If mod want to job then them muted you long time ago for chat spamming

[inland kettle]

Ain’t no way this guy just tagged community managers for that comment lmao

[pearl walrus]

All weekend it's just been straight up disrespect all over the place.

[low prawn]

Considering people get slapped with timeouts for less, yes that comment warrants a report

[pearl walrus]

It's wild 2 me.

[karmic plover]

Chat spamming? what are you even talking about?

[inland kettle]

You guys are overly sensitive. Wow

[hallow orchid]

Disrepect is talking your home problems here

[low prawn]

The guy came into a civil discussion, and immediately proceeded to being disrespectful. If you cant see the problem there thats on you.

[inland kettle]

Who cares?

It’s discord, touch grass

[nocturne prairie]

#rules 1 - conversation over. Block button exists.

This is the Merchant Guild channel, Cycles affect MG players - this is on-topic.

Insults are not.

[pearl walrus]

Appreciate it.

[nocturne prairie]

Rule 1 covers more than just insults. When we disagree here, it will be done so respectfully and I see several instances of less than respectful responses when disagreeing from multiple members here.

[hallow orchid]

Broking rule nr 4 leading to 1

[torn trench]

you can easily tell how disgruntled MG players are by comparing the conversations in the two faction channels lol

[karmic plover]

Where was rule 4 broken? No one was spamming or interrupting a conversation.

[nocturne prairie]

Please refer here - #💰┃merchants-guild message - and last time, topic is over.

[hallow orchid]

Use channel for their intended purpuse

[inland kettle]

😭

[hybrid bronze]

Well nothings broken CoF yet to my knowledge 😄 It's understandable

[remote orbit]

idk, there was the key selling nerf that some people were upset about

in CoF

[hybrid bronze]

I had completely forgotten about it, not playing CoF. Fair enough

[pearl walrus]

well yeah cause that was MG driven and it took EHG a bit to react by lowering the primary gold expenditure for COF lol

[rare sun]

i got 3 unstable cores from arbor 2 lp lool

[remote orbit]

tbh i haven't played LE in a while now so I don't know how worse MG has gotten so I couldn't say one way or the other, I meant to do a second character but never did

[rare sun]

anyone interested in buying in bulk? lmao

[remote orbit]

i was never disgruntled tho, i thought it was mostly fine just needed some QoL

[hybrid bronze]

As well as the QoL stuff to do with filtering/searching, I'd love a merchant in the bazaar so that, after looking something up, I can bin the worthless stuff there and then

[pearl walrus]

all 3x 2 LP? lmao

[rare sun]

yup

[pearl walrus]

VERYYYYY sick luck

hope the roll was nice on em

what was it?

[pearl walrus]

@tight swallow this guy 1-upped you lmao

[low prawn]

editing the ping doesnt ping him btw

@tight swallow

[pearl walrus]

still hightlights

but also new discord username system is just atrocious

[tight swallow]

wat

huh

[low prawn]

better than the # system for finding people imo

[pearl walrus]

man's dropping 3x 2 LP unstables

lmao

[tight swallow]

oh

it's like that dude that dropped 3x 4lp jelkors in arbor

[pearl walrus]

boutta go spend some time in arbor here soon lmao

[tight swallow]

man this advent weavers boot might sell

move spd, int, armor/crit and phys resist

[rare sun]

after spending about 200 mill in arbor for days now ive finally got something interesting but the rolls are not that good i think 😦 anyways if anyone interested in buying in bulk for slams im online and ready to trade

[pearl walrus]

hmmm. DM me

[tight swallow]

what were the rolls martin?

cause regardless 2lp sells for quite a bit

[pearl walrus]

o they are

bad.

lmao

46%/35

[low prawn]

id buy one, but im down alot

spent too much gearing alt builds

OOOOOOOOOOOF

[tight swallow]

2lp still sells for a couple hundred mil tho so

ez monies

[pearl walrus]

yea

ez dollars for sure

[tight swallow]

did all my cuckoos

10 total

bout to see if any worth something

[rare sun]

they are bad

[tight swallow]

cuckoo with t7 crit multi and t5 cast spd lmao

cuckoo with cast spd, crit multi and t6 freeze rate oof

[rare sun]

selling them in a package for cheap

[tight swallow]

haha i bet

i dont need one tho, im running static shell nwo

rip

t5 int, t4 movespeed, t6 armor/crit reduc, t5 phys resist advent boots

could've been better if it rolled rest on int/MS instead of phys

[elder garnet]

How do we Value items found? feels like im throwing items up for way less then what they are worth or vice versa xD

[tiny dirge]

i have been picking random numbers honestly

[polar quartz]

how do you browse uniques by its rolls not its lp?

[pearl walrus]

you dont

you have to just sift thru page by page

[limpid aurora]

not yet implemented

i expect theyll have additional filters enabled by 2nd/3rd cycle

[polar quartz]

ok, that's.... why? EHG foresaw so many QoL issues and this one in particular just sifted through

[sturdy star]

so im screwed on MG eh.. i didnt buy gold or dupe and now everything costs hundreds of millions

[limpid dune]

This

[worldly raven]

Yeah... I was thinking about trying the MG with my new character, but dropped that idea when I heard about the current state the MG is in 😄

[worthy bone]

Na man you also get a lot of gold for items you sell

And u can make a build with not too much gold to go up to 500 corruption

[worldly raven]

Hm... And you can sell any item that has no faction tag on it, right? So I could try to make some starting money with the items that I have in stash, right?

[peak depot]

not if it dropped while you were in cof, even without the cof tag it will be untradeable

[low prawn]

Not.

no*

Prices are coming back down, and stock is returning to normal

Once people stop continuing to list stuff for gold cap, we will return to normal.

[tight parrot]

If the item doesnt have cof tag or reads „not tradeable“ you can sell it.

[fierce river]

How is market looking? Havent been able to login these days, market coming back to normal prices, or everyone rightfully rerolling to cof?

[low prawn]

coming back to normal, but the issue is peopel still trynna sell at 1.5 when litertalyl noone is paying it

[unique wadi]

How do you know?

[low prawn]

How do i know what? That literally no one is paying it?

The sh1ts jsut sitting

its not selling.

with the exception of the truly BiS 3/4lps.

[tulip finch]

what are you trying to sell

[winter blade]

Can i input the values of affixes for idols in the search bar in the marketplace in order to price check? How to do it?

[tulip finch]

nope :))))

how to do it? scroll through tens or hundreds of pages

manually

https://tenor.com/view/heman-smile-skeletor-laughing-laughing-hysterically-gif-18559585

[next stratus]

There was 6 identical Murama's Hilt with 4LP posted 2 hours ago...

Isn't that a bit fishy? I thought they fixed the duplication exploit

[paper ridge]

Probably items duplicated from Lightning Arbor Dungeon so all is ok

I got 4 LP gloves x 5 just yesterday from it.

[winter blade]

that's so bad...

[tulip finch]

yep,.,,,,

tell me about it

[tiny spire]

Well, normal is relative for many people. Normal in terms of how it was 3-4 weeks ago before the cheating started? Maybe in a months time, maybe only next season.
Normal in terms of it's only hundreds of millions for good items instead of billions? Already happening.

[half pasture]

Kekw

Sold a crafted lvl6 armor rogue base self crafted 150million last night was so funny

Reason i love crafting in LE creativity at max xD

[turbid birch]

Sooooo was the gold issue addressed in any way? I just read the devs banned some players but nothing more right?

[indigo grail]

nothing more as of yet. most of the prices have come back down to semi reasonable prices.

as the forum post said, would expect some other changes to come at 1.1

[turbid birch]

Oki, gonna check later if I can finally affor a 2LP Rahyeh's Light

It was 2m then 4 then 80, than 800m lol

[river prairie]

Doubt you'll be getting that for 2 or 4m in any near future

[indigo grail]

yeah, the inflations got a bit crazy. with all the bans and therefor, all the gold removed, prices have come back down. but i wouldnt expect "normal" prices for the rest of this cycle, tbh.

[turbid birch]

I guess I will never close my Conc Aura build then, it's the only item I am missing.
I rather wait directly for next cycle at this point 😦

Maybe forge guard will be fixed, I always wanted to play a shield throw build

[low prawn]

unfortunately all the gold ahsnt been removed

as tehre are many users that have unclaimed billions sitting in their MGs

from sales made during the whole fiasco

but the amrket is still recovering

thankfully

[indigo grail]

all the gold removed from the bans. not all the gold ever yes

[low prawn]

To think most of the gold spent on thos sales wasnt illegitimate is a bit naive imo

[turbid birch]

I suggested to level all the gold to 100m maximum, that would solve the inflation tbh

[low prawn]

so many items not worth 1.5b sold for 1,5b, if it were legit gold, it simply wouldnt have been spent on subpar items

[low prawn]

no it wouldnt

itd jsut compound the inflation issue

[turbid birch]

I sold my jungle for 1b but I dont mind to lose 900m for a healthier game

[low prawn]

youd literalyl just shrink the inflation values

itd solve nothing

simply isnt how economics works

[turbid birch]

How would that not solve the issue? If all the players have maximum 100m the prices have to drop cause you will not sell unless you price stuff to a pre-cheat phase

it is lol

[low prawn]

Its not. All this would do is set the new inflated prices to 100m.

[turbid birch]

you take liquidity out of the market, hance the gold value increases

we can make 10m, I dont care

10m is a value that is farmable simply by playing

[low prawn]

we wouldnt be able to if they cut gold cap down to 1/20th of its current value

you think they wouldnt also gut earned gold?

thatd be dumb

youd have peopel at cap within a day

which would make the issue far worse

[turbid birch]

you don't understand, I never said cap gold

[fleet knot]

add tax

[turbid birch]

I said reset the gold owned by any player in the game down to 100/10m

[low prawn]

no, you said " level all the gold to 100m maximum "

[turbid birch]

even if it's earned it's way better to have a resetted economy than this current state

[low prawn]

Which literally reads as, " set gold cap to 100m "

[turbid birch]

Ah no that would solve nothing

[fleet knot]

dumb question. does gold carry over to each new cycle?

[turbid birch]

nope

[glass narwhal]

setting gold cap to 100m would be the stupidest thing ever lol

[turbid birch]

each cycle is a hard reset

Yeah

[fleet knot]

gotcha, do stash tabs remain?

[turbid birch]

I meant to reset gold, not put a cap

[fleet knot]

or is it FULL reset

[remote orbit]

stash tabs and gold get moved to legacy afaik

[glass narwhal]

duno why peeps here r complaining, if u still like to play, play..if you dont like the current cycle as it was 'ruined' by gold dupers. then sit out , period.

[turbid birch]

Uhm maybe because people want to play LE?
How weird to play a game you paid for, almost unbelievable 😂

[indigo grail]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message current cycle things will go to legacy. each cycle will be a fresh start

[fleet knot]

Thanks, Eagles

[brave moth]

A lot of the complaints about the market here are overblown. Some people quote crazy prices but don't even look on the market. Some items are even cheaper than before the gold exploit, like 2LP exsang, jelkhors 2LP, etc

The ones who complain about items being worth billions and not being able to buy them - it's likely they couldn't have before the exploit

[glass narwhal]

theres still alot of cheap stuff there, but those really rare ones are ex, which is normal

[turbid birch]

That's true, but that is also part of the poor design for item pricing. It; is impossible to filter item properly, especially idols

[brave moth]

People dumping gold into arbor also means good items will get cheaper and cheaper

But people find it much easier to be doomer and give up I suppose

[pearl walrus]

Prices will likely not ever level off as low as they were again. Deal with it, swap to COF, or stop playing until Cycle 2.

[turbid birch]

We have to admit that MG was poorly designed, it has huge flwas, especially compared to PoE market and tools like Awakened PoE trade where you cna simply click on an item and know how much it is worth

[pearl walrus]

Pretty much over seeing this argument in discord

[brave moth]

Don't trust randoms on discord, people - go look at the actual market prices

[pearl walrus]

This is only true to an extent. Good/high LP items will be pretty rare and expensive for the remainder of the cycle

[turbid birch]

I just hope for the next cycle we have better tools to play MG. but yes, there is a lot of drama lama

[turbid birch]

unless someone wants to push 1k+ corruption not many build need LP4 items afaik

[pearl walrus]

Yep

People that want to push 1k corruption literally are only doing it because content creator showcases enable such behavior

[turbid birch]

Sure MG is the min maxing league, but we always have to think to what extent we need to min max

[pearl walrus]

Again, another way that content creators have ruined gaming lol

[granite moss]

I push 1k corruption just for items to sell

[formal hearth]

no you do it because of streamers no one would ever think pushing harder content could be fun /s

[signal leaf]

ye we should ban them all for playing games.

[hollow stratus]

Can someone help with a price check, price is all over the place in AH 🙂

[signal leaf]

Well what is it, is it a Exalted or uniq?

[hollow stratus]

Ascetic gloves (12 CD implicit), T6 Cast speed, T4 experimental ward/health. LR and Health suffixes.

[signal leaf]

just go t4 cast speed and t4 exp and look from there

[hollow stratus]

That's what I did, but prices go from 100k to 100Mil on recently listed..^^

Nvm, filtered out finished gloves by adding forge potential, looks much more reasonable now 🙂

[pearl walrus]

Lol everyone is gonna be in for a rude awakening when we can’t push 4-digit corruption anymore. Wonder how this will affect the market

[signal leaf]

ye but thjet will Take like 2-3 more cycels

[winter forge]

wait why wont people be able to push 4 digit corruption?

[pearl walrus]

From the sounds of it, they are looking to make changes as soon as cycle 2

[signal leaf]

becus he Cant no one cant

[pearl walrus]

Nah nah nah.

Devs have mentioned they believe builds pushing 4 digits may be outta line

[winter forge]

oh, so they are going to nerf the over performing builds?

[pearl walrus]

But also devs consider a build as viable if it does like 300 corr lmao

[signal leaf]

Well they did say ti was gona be alot harder this cycel see what happend

[pearl walrus]

So i have NO idea the design view here

[pearl walrus]

Ya that’s how I interpreted it

[signal leaf]

just make it 10x harder

[pearl walrus]

Mike said something yesterday about how they messed up that scaling

[winter forge]

that makes sense, the amount of rogues with those orange daggers is getting ridiculous lol

[pearl walrus]

Badly

[signal leaf]

Wasent like 500c =like 1200c from pre relise?

[pearl walrus]

Ye

Erm

Think it was the other way?

Idr

[signal leaf]

Well 1200 Was supose to be like 500 or somthing

[pearl walrus]

Yaya thats it

1200 now was 500 then

[signal leaf]

no

it Was easyer pre relise

they made it harder now

is hard to Balance stuff like this out

[pearl walrus]

Yeah it really is

500 corr was 289% pre

Is now 505% post

Which meant that this was like 1000ish pre

So you are right yeah

Im just curious to see how they bring it all in line

[signal leaf]

Well you need to bring down dmg numbers overall

and make moobs harder with out on losing speed of stuff 😄

[low prawn]

they are looking to change this with cycle two by all the signs theyve been giving us

[signal leaf]

Well they did say it pre relise to, and see what we got. it to many changes to get in 1-2 Cycels, is like down to Baseline off dmg etc you need to restart from

[unique wadi]

Release*

[unique wadi]

Easier*, pre-release*

🙂

[signal leaf]

thx now i can sleep

😄

[unique wadi]

Hope so

[signal leaf]

you know it!

[unique wadi]

Never want to engage in solecism

[granite moss]

Lol idk why everyone wants to nerf a pve game. But you got thoes people that will cry.

[unique wadi]

Balance reasons?

[signal leaf]

and it makes the Clif Higer to look down from 😄

[granite moss]

🤣

[low prawn]

because the devs never intended 4 digit corruption to be reasonably attainable?

and because they themselves consider a build good / viable at 300?

yet content creators have changed community sentiment regarding this, and pushed that number way higher than it has any right to be

https://clips.twitch.tv/TalentedPowerfulPeppermintJKanStyle-bDkCsKnd1dH0JAbY heres your " source " before you even ask

[granite moss]

Because they made a good build?

[low prawn]

" If you start seeing 4 digit corruption numbers, theres probably something we made a mistake on "

IE, 4 digit corruption is NOT intended

Self explanatory.

[granite moss]

But attainable with a good build.

[low prawn]

No. its not meant to be attainable.

[granite moss]

For what reasons

[limpid aurora]

and yet it is, and no one is harmed by it

[granite moss]

Exactly

[limpid aurora]

300 is a balance between having all items available to drop and the opportunity for nearly all class/mastery/skill combinations to obtain it

except forge guard lol

[granite moss]

What's the max you have got though kyo

[limpid aurora]

the balance is accessibility, not possibility.

[granite moss]

At least someone gets it.

[pearl walrus]

I’d argue that it can affect ppl. It directly affects MG

Turbo high corruption makes absolute bis items for those corruption levels ridiculously expensive

[signal leaf]

ye but if it is harder Same ppl gona whine about it too you just down scale the PRoblem tbh

and if you down scale corruption it gona affect alot of game time too

[pearl walrus]

Yaya no 100%

It will definitely affect EVERYTHING

[signal leaf]

the Nolifers thet Farm most items will quit faster and the market will die down faster,

[granite moss]

I predict players jumping ship when they do nerf.

[pearl walrus]

All gucci tho. I sit around 600-1000 corr because i have no reason to push further with the scaling changes as it is

[low prawn]

good. games better off without em

[signal leaf]

Well most game whould be so buggy with out them lol

[low prawn]

basically the same with one of mages hardest to build for / highest ( honestly skill cap ) skills

[limpid aurora]

yes, but the same items are accessible to everyone in the monoliths. everyone has a chance to drop a juicy seller

the only bug is gold duping, which is the only thing that will ruin markets.

[pearl walrus]

Yeah im more arguing like

If someone wants to do a build

[limpid aurora]

the saving grace in this game is that items are only sellable once, so the problem is temporary

[pearl walrus]

And it uses an absolute bis item

[signal leaf]

Well go higer and your quantity of Exalts increes thets mean you get morte goood ones too

[pearl walrus]

And they go to MG to get it and see it’s out of price range because ppl push 2-3k corr

There’s less item alternatives at that scaled of difficulty

[pearl walrus]

Eh. Quantity == quality lmao

[limpid aurora]

but the builds that can push corruption limits with 3-4LP can do extremely well with 0-1-2LP - which are often cheap/ "free" depending on the item

[granite moss]

I use 3 lp1s and I'm pushing 1k corruption.

[signal leaf]

yes in most game the moor item you loot is more chanse you get a good one GG

[pearl walrus]

Nah

Statistically thats supposed to be the case

But with item having too many affixes

More sht just drops

Lmao

And more 0-1 LPs.

[granite moss]

Idk why we still typing everything someone says another person disagrees 🤣

[limpid aurora]

what else is there to do

[pearl walrus]

Increasing odds are cool but the quality of items in this game is as bad as D4

[limpid aurora]

im still trying to wake up

[pearl walrus]

Lmao im bored in a meeting so

Just vibing

[limpid aurora]

yes but D4 has no loot filter

[pearl walrus]

Ya and they are fixing that to a degree.

BUT was just making the example is all

[limpid aurora]

i know

[low prawn]

all the loot filter in this does is hide all your trash and rarely show you something wortha shid

[limpid aurora]

yes thats the point lol

[low prawn]

I have had a high value loot filter on for my last ... 200? monos?

[pearl walrus]

I’m also turbo sick of getting minion crap as a mage

It rolls WAY too much

[low prawn]

and not a damn thing has dropped that flagged it

[low prawn]

P R E A C H

[limpid aurora]

i dont want a pile of gucci items dropping every time like ive got jamella's running in the background

[fresh plover]

for the sole reason that devs dont want u to

its that simple

[wispy sinew]

i personally like to push my builds to 300 or so and then go on discord complaining about builds that can go higher than me

[reef osprey]

So I am working on MG rank with some alts, and was wondering if gaining rep was based solely on favor spent or if there were other factors (gold, item rarity etc) when using the bazaar.

[warm igloo]

Any tips on making gold? Seems like things are posted for 0 unless they have high lp

[reef osprey]

Idols are the way to go. I make a killing with the right filter.

[warm igloo]

Sucks getting 1-2 lp items and not being able to sell them for anything

[pearl walrus]

Idols are just kind of hard to price, but also boss uniques are usually decent sellers.

some will only sell if they have LP

[fresh plover]

rep is mainly based around how much xp u gain, spending favor will add some too

same as cof

[robust kelp]

The only way to gain favor is by killing mobs ?

[fresh plover]

yes

well technically not

since u gain favor from xp which also comes from xp books

[reef osprey]

3,688 favor from an xp book mono speed clear at 350 corruption. Not bad at all

Err, rep. Not favor

[upper mist]

how do you search for sold items when you have like 30 pages?

[fresh plover]

you sort by price and dont even bother looking for anything sold below 1 mil

[upper mist]

thought so haha

[fresh plover]

at this point yeee

[covert breach]

So the game is basically dead if you're a MG only player with less than a billion gold huh?

[fresh plover]

no its not why would u say that?

the game is dead if you are andy with 10 mill gold thinking only about items like 3lp exhang and 2lp twisted heart and anything less is not acceptable for u

[covert breach]

700mil slam on a 1LP Wings of Argentus, just for an example

[fresh plover]

in that case mg is indeed dead

you are talking abt 1lp wings as if its something u can find on a carb of the road lmfao

meanwhile its a rare unique with lowest lp chance

[covert breach]

I know it's rare. But like I did my first couple slams on it for 30mil and now it's 600mil. Disheartening to say the least

[fresh plover]

if u want gg items like lp wings then u have to sell GG items with similar power, and in that case yes we are talking only about billions of gold

there are plenty of ways to deterministically farm items that sell for 500+mil

[gritty nimbus]

i mean, stuff is correcting slowly...... but the 2lp boots i wanted to save up for and slam went from 35-80 mil (high end being great rolls) to 130-500mil

my only hope is for a gg drop to inflate my gold stack to bring me up to speed i guess

[fresh plover]

yep just dont farm random content and farm things that have a chance of dropping GG items

[gritty nimbus]

red rings have corrected, they seem to be back to where they were

so i am not too stressed for the rest of the market to follow slowly

[fresh plover]

for example u can literally get 1 3lp peak daily

if u farm for some hours

[gritty nimbus]

3lp peak of the mountain skyrocketed ngl

i bought my 3lp for under 10 mil before the incident

[fresh plover]

idk imo not much changed before abuse items i wantd were like 500 mil and the only way to get them is selling another item for 500 mil

now items that i want are 1-1.5 bil and the only way to afford them is selling another item for 1-1.5 bil

so like....whats the difference it makes

[gritty nimbus]

i have no doubt that things will balance out

frustrating in the short term

[hollow stratus]

I'm looking for shred armour affix in the auction house but it doesn't seem to exist? At least not for amulets..^^

[fresh plover]

in the end its always gg item for gg item

[unique wadi]

CoF supremacy proven once again

[upper mist]

shred armour search is bugged and not appearing

[fresh plover]

big X on that, cause GG items dont exist on COF and if they do, they drop for other people not for u

[unique wadi]

I am almost full 4 lp bis items

Just takes 16h of farming each day

[fresh plover]

👍

[unique wadi]

Cries

[hollow stratus]

@upper mist Do you know if that affix is good on anything? Like what item with T7 shred would be worth something?

[gritty nimbus]

a lot of people put armor shred on ammy and gloves but they dont have it as T7

[split wave]

T6+ shred is only really great on mage frostbite builds since they convert it to frostbite chance. idk if it's BiS on them or not though

[blazing forum]

what converts?

[pearl walrus]

it's good on mage outside of frostbite

shred works on hits

[fresh plover]

yes but u wouldnt want exalted shred t5 is enough

[pearl walrus]

id rock it if it was like

a dualy

like i had another relevant t6/t7 lol

[split wave]

Like, I wouldn't hate it or anything, but I'd rather a different stat as T6+ in its place

[tired edge]

ye t6 and 7 armour shred is insane for frostbite

[rare sun]

just got a 3lp wand anyone interested in buying it?

dm me if you are

[granite moss]

what one is it

[rare sun]

Mad alchemist

[ashen kayak]

20 mil

[rare sun]

more like 350 mill for these stats

[ashen kayak]

too much))))

[rare sun]

20mil is too low my man

[dense flame]

20m 🤣

[rare sun]

i have tons of sweet deals to be made with 4lp and this 3lp wand

dm me if interested

[ashen kayak]

i bought by 20mil 2 weeks ago

[rare sun]

bought??

[fresh plover]

20 mil 2 weeks ago is 500 mil today

[fresh plover]

but tbh not sure why are u even trying to sell it on discord instead of posting on mg, i can only see doing that for items worth more than 1.5 bil

[rare sun]

I’ve done deals faster this way, the market is getting flooded with this kinds of items again

Few days ago there were no 3lp mad ladle and now theres like 130 already

[rare sun]

Sad but true

[slender venture]

Goodbye

MG was fun

[slender venture]

then sell at floor price?

[rare sun]

The stats on the item are worth more then the floor price

[pearl walrus]

those stats all better be 30+ w/ like 15 flat spell

lol

[low prawn]

Agree

[thin trench]

there a way to see whats on the market without switching from CoF and losing my progress?

[pearl walrus]

create a new toon

put it in MG

[thin trench]

❤️ ty what toon is fastest easiest lvling for that

either way ty

[pearl walrus]

doesnt matter. get to first town, put it in mg

ask for someone to inv you and port you to bazaar

ezpz

[thin trench]

o wait, I dont need to do the campain? just ask someone in chat to tp?! thats sick

tysm

[pearl walrus]

np

[thin trench]

aight no 1 willing to tp me. Ill owe to whoever tps me to bazaar. Only want to play 1 character this cycle so there will be many items that I may be able to give.

[low prawn]

@pearl walrus

I'd do ot but I'm not at my rig

[pearl walrus]

yeah gimme a min

in a mono

mono*

[thin trench]

all g can be a different day. aighty

[pearl walrus]

whats your ign kaje?

[thin trench]

is that my character name? holdon

[low prawn]

Nah your account name

[pearl walrus]

acct name

[thin trench]

ngl idk. where do i see it? (googling to know how rn)

[pearl walrus]

add me

[worldly raven]

I'm rather new to the MG. What is the best way to rank up fast? I'm looking to buy some exalted rings to really get my build started and I'm just rank 3, so there is some levelling required 😦

[oak elk]

@worldly raven Anything that grants EXP will level it. Monos being the fastest due to the modifiers. Higher corruption = more favor.

[worldly raven]

So EXP Tomes will also grant more favor?

[oak elk]

yes

granted they are a flat amount so their value lessens at higher corruption but still worth

[worldly raven]

Ah great, good to know. Thx 🙂

[spark gorge]

how do i gain favour quickly?

nvm i read above

[slender venture]

No wonder ur not sending anymore on sanctum, count me in!

[thin trench]

If I'm playing only 1 class with 1 specialty, is it better to MG? (I Can play like 2-3 hours a day)

[gaunt willow]

Gamble as much favor as possible

[gaunt willow]

If your build requires specific uniques then yes

[thin trench]

Thanks. Doing a couple but not meta so hopefully I'll be able to afford. Want a double t7 experimental exault
Maybe cycle ends it'll be cheap if they run high. Ty

If it is costly, tis probably better to play a meta build and earn gold by selling items?

[split wave]

It's always ideal to earn gold by selling items. You don't need to play a meta build for that (though obviously better build means you can farm more efficiently).

[wind void]

which guild is easier to build up for high end game content cause my build had very expensive items like worth 300m+ for lp2

[honest cave]

MG hands down

[pearl walrus]

MG for sure

MG gets you there in a big way to start but then you begin to make incremental increases over time

[nocturne prairie]

Hi there! While you are welcome to share servers, please keep those posts to #💽┃server-share thank you!

[wind void]

whats best use of rune of ascendence to make money?

[worn orbit]

ring and hope for Red Ring would be my suggestion

[thin badge]

@wind void@worn orbit Nope ring is not worth if you are looking to make money considering the rarity, the most efficent way to make money with ruen of ace is to use it on relic. If you get any relic of the erased with high weavers then you got a jackpot and the chance overall to get any profit or the a jackpot is 10 likley than getting a red ring.

Tried both.
Rings: 0 gold with 20
Relics: 5kk with 20

😉

[dense flame]

Very well, I put the link in server-share, thanks for informing me!

[worn orbit]

thx for the advise!

[compact violet]

Is the market fixed?

[rare sun]

4lp vipertail up for sale or trade, anyone interested dm me

[unique wadi]

Always was

[signal leaf]

next cycel im gona hord items for 3 weeks then sell 😄 when the Value gose up

[thin badge]

Is the game dying or is it just Mg thats dying down?
yesterday I sold about 8 items in 24h

2 days before that I sold way more with ease

[signal leaf]

ye it will die down more and more too. is a Time thing

[thin badge]

been struggling to make gold as of recently sad to see really, not to long ago it felt like a gold rush

[signal leaf]

Well the Last shift did die on Bans 😄

[blissful rivet]

as long as you sell your items then buy items in quick succession it will be the same

[compact violet]

all lp3 and lp4 sold out and/or 1.5 billion gold is fixed to you?

[signal leaf]

Deppends on the inflations and how Fast you get your hands on meta items ,, day 3 of the cycelthere was a few Mads LP 4 for 40-50m 4 weeks later like 1b

[signal leaf]

ye eavryone have 1,5b gold if you play atm . becus alkl items sell for so mutch

[civic ginkgo]

Prices will be down 🔜 in the next few weeks.

Market is garbage, don't listen to cappa

[proven drum]

is circle of fortune or merchants guild better for new players?

[thin trench]

mg is daunting already. I really dont need much items as im playing like 1.5 builds this cycle but man, idk if its worth the headache. but also dont wana grind forever to not find my items in cof

[dapper bear]

Go CoF, you wont be able to afford anything good with MG for a long time

Gonna take at least a few weeks more for the prices to settle properly after the gold exploits

[blazing forum]

not sure i'd agree. apart from highend stuff it's all really affordable. meaning you'd only need one good drop (some idols sell for 500m+ for example) to instantly buy really decent gear. if you're playing a meta build and want BiS it'll get expensive - but also still achievable since you can sell the right drops for lots of gold.

[dense flame]

MG is very beginner friendly if you find the right place to start 😀

Find a budget build until you find something juicy

[humble burrow]

ye and in late its also rly fun sitting at 540k favor and nothing worth to buy on market rn

[junior niche]

I build a Wraithlord necro blasting monos for 100M a few days ago. Its not that bad unless you want BIS.

[normal schooner]

Actually I haven’t done MG yet since I am all offline, what does MG favor even do?

[steep orbit]

has anyone ever seen a 3lp ocearon on market

or do they just not exist

[livid delta]

hi can guide me how to rank up fast marchants guild

[upper mist]

gain exp fast (push higher corruption), spend favor

[split wave]

Listing items (to sell) and buying items both cost favor to do

[vernal tendon]

@livid delta just gain experience. At a certain point just list and delist a trash lp item to hit the level you need

[livid delta]

is this possible favor trade other player >

[blissful rivet]

nope

[blissful quest]

What happens to my listed items if I leave the merchant guild? Do they all auto delist and land in my stash?

[signal leaf]

is kind rear on lp 3 . it have 0,016% drtop Rate nott 100% accurate but somthign around thet

[gaunt willow]

Anyone have a T7 -spell cost > T6 crit multi > necrotic pen > fire pen Scepter for trade/purchase?

[rare kettle]

whats the best way to get rune of creation? arbor?

[granite moss]

Easy way is to go and find the items for 0 gold and spend 2k favor per item.

[hard berry]

3lp mad ladle if anyone interested

[toxic whale]

so we can get rank 8?

[uncut stream]

sounds like people just like to complain

[summer saffron]

This works?

[granite moss]

It works but only for a little while cuz the amount you need for anything above 5 is farmable thru corruption monos.

[leaden bay]

@nocturne prairie ^

[indigo grail]

Its so hard to do anything on mobile. Lol.

[leaden bay]

Understandable. Appreciated from y'all both.

[distant fable]

Guys can we transfer somehow/use after, rune of creation from circle of fortune on merchants ? I have only 1 creation on merchant...they are not droping at all... 1.5k corruption 400h played. LOL

[pearl walrus]

no

you cannot

once something is tagged as COF or MG, you can't use it on the opposite faction

[split wave]

runes themselves can't be tagged though

[pearl walrus]

I was assuming he meant he would creation an MG/COF item

because that seemed to be the route it was going

[toxic whale]

finding high corruption people DM me for favor

[mossy wyvern]

i want to divert from fortune to merchants but im already rank 6 in fortune with gear thats really strong for my build. any ideas?

[misty shadow]

take the L and switch, you keep your rank in the faction anyways but you lose favor

[pulsar latch]

Yes you can. I use my COF alt to farm a lot of rune of creation. And can be used on my MG alts
Runes shards scrolls etc are shared

[toxic whale]

hey guys anyone have high corruption to get fovar i will be thankful 🙂

[tulip finch]

how do people dupe items lol https://i.imgur.com/ET9KTMF.png

with a rune the FP is supposed to go to 0

i see duped items everywhere

identical stats

[gusty latch]

Lightless Arbor luck

[tulip finch]

ahh right

[gusty latch]

just like 1 of 50 times good item duplicate

[gusty latch]

Only Specific Boss drop or Experimental items won`t be duplicate from that Dungeon

[signal leaf]

arbor Dungon can give up to 12 of the Same item

[river prairie]

Yeah someone listed 7 red rings this morning

Imagine that luck in arbor

[dark trellis]

guys what affix should i try to slam on a 1LP Exsanguinous and 1LP Last steps of the living if i want to sell them? any suggestions?

[humble burrow]

prob hybrid health

its used for ward marksman

ah on boots hybrid health

and on exsanguinous u want armor and reduced dmg from cirt

but i would do the price like 5x exang price + 5x w.e the affix cost u cause if u just make it 100mil no one gonna buy it since its aonly a 1 outta 4 which is quite ez if the items are cheap

[humble burrow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oRPb6aNQ

[simple knoll]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.1

Class:

Rogue (64) / Bladedancer (29) / Falconer (20)

General:

▸ Health: 2,634, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 141, Regen: 13/s
▸ Ward Retention: 444%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 24 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 51% / 424% / 65% / 60% / 54% / 53% / 76%
▸ EHP: 3,968 / 4,921 / 4,453 / 4,685 / 4,067 / 4,050 / 4,921

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 527
▸ Dodge Chance: 12% (399)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,090)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Cold / Throwing, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Detonating Arrow (26)
• Explosive Trap (20)
• Smoke Bomb (20)
• Shift (20)
• Shurikens (20)

Used unique items:

• Jelkhor's Blast Knife
• Jelkhor's Blast Knife
• Soul Gambler's Fallacy
• Ucenui's Sphere
• Ring of the Third Eye
• Ring of the Third Eye
• Exsanguinous
• Last Steps of the Living
• Frostbite Shackles
• Peak of the Mountain

This build has a guide:

#1 Meta Lightning Marksman New Setup! 2600+ Corruption 30K+ Ward Leech Build! by Mattjestic MultiGaming

[humble burrow]

but keep in mind u cant sell it if u didnt drop both the exalted and the unique

[signal leaf]

and if you Fail is kind worth nothing

[humble burrow]

lp1 exang is worth nothing anyways

but the affix might be actually expensive depending on the tier

[signal leaf]

ye

[humble burrow]

t7 can be worth something for sure

[signal leaf]

well then is worth to Gambel

[humble burrow]

ye but i love when people sell these items with a low tier and think they worth 500mil xD

[dark trellis]

really?? have never noticed before

[humble burrow]

like even with tier 7 no one going to buy it for 500mil when exang is 1mil at max and the t7 is 20mil lol

[humble burrow]

yup stupid mechanic in my opinion

i think it would be better for merchant that if u slam something even tho u bought both of market u should be able to sell it

cause ur the one taking the risk why wouldnt u get rewarded?

[dark trellis]

dont swear on that, there is running the dungeon and nailing the 25% chance, so trust me people will pay 500mil

[signal leaf]

ye ot atlest if the uniq dident have MG mark the item dident get it even if you buy the exalt

[humble burrow]

and others who dont wanna gamble can just buy it for an upprice

[humble burrow]

ye exactly at min that

cause there is a reason why not many good legendarys are out there lol and this makes rank 9 and 10 kinda pointless

i didnt even buy anything since like 1 week now cause there is nothing cool been just collecting gold

[humble burrow]

idk maybe some people would but when i can do 10 runs and only pay 200mil i would rather do that tbh than paying 300mil more

[dark trellis]

then a 200-300mil price should be also fine

[humble burrow]

but i also sold boots for necro craftet for 500mil so i guess some people be like that xD

[signal leaf]

Atm Gold dont rly have any Value tbh

[humble burrow]

ye ofc i mean u def want to make more profit than just the 1 outta 4

ye the problem is if people drop something rly good they just wont list it

[nova flower]

is the price for all item down yet ?

[pearl walrus]

They are recovering relatively okay. Rarer LPs are still up a tad tho

[humble burrow]

ok what are the chances for something usefull in 1500 corruption all i got was 1 lp3 jelkor dagger and 2x lp2 frostbite shackles that cant be normal lol in 270h of gameplay

[grand fox]

sounds pretty normal....

[toxic whale]

anyone help me to play with me a t100 with high currption

[oak elk]

@humble burrow the concept for MG is to get a lucky Ticket drop that you can sell to get an item you want from MG.

if you are looking for Improved Individual drops I would suggest checking CoF

[blazing forum]

problem with CoF is that it wouldn't help that much with lp boss drops. sure, the jelkos would be np

[civic rain]

i got 2 lp siphone of anguish how much does it go for

[blazing forum]

whopping 0 gold

[civic rain]

XD

[plush urchin]

How much should a 2lp twisted be

[signal leaf]

789m 😄 is the lowest atm

[plush urchin]

whoops - im on legacy and nothing is listed - thinking about waiting until the cycle ends and get 1.5 bil or more for it lol

[signal leaf]

Well then you could just post it for 1,5b now it dosent rly cost you anything 😄 more then a few Favor

[civic rain]

how much is 1lp titan heart go for

[blazing forum]

have you even thought about bothering to look that up yourself?

[civic rain]

how do i look

[civic rain]

whats your problem bud. Its Merchant guild i cant ask this?

[ancient cradle]

I haven’t gotten anything over 100m worth at 1k cp, done about 500 runs

[blazing forum]

tried arbor?

[ancient cradle]

Yeah i am spamming it, talking about corruption

And i feel like its not worth the time compared to arbor

[blazing forum]

might be again next season when market prices are more realistic

[ancient cradle]

Ye maybe