💰┃merchants-guild

[alpine atlas]

Pally hh is a little easy mode

[oak elk]

RiP CoF.

[dry halo]

I can't live with just 15k ward. needs to be 60k+

[valid cobalt]

i see them taking a long ass time taking down bosses

[oak elk]

I live with 0 ward

😛

[fresh plover]

bruh...game is balanced around 5k hp what 60k ward are u even on abt, thats way out of line and btw you can still reach 60k ward even after nerfs with going LL and grabbing 1-2 minion hp affixed

u just dont get it for free now

[unique wadi]

This

[crisp swallow]

if you went ghostflame you are literally unkillable lmao

and you still have veil

[oak elk]

waitingforGlobalWardNerf

[dry halo]

It's hard to facetank and stand in DoT damage without 60k+

[valid cobalt]

mans too used to op standards

[fresh plover]

oh this is actually gold

[crisp swallow]

git gud?

[fresh plover]

love new players perspective on the game

[unique wadi]

Git gud

[fresh plover]

🤣

[valid cobalt]

im also used to jelkhors one shotting bosses

rip

[unique wadi]

Yeah

[oak elk]

You mean eye of Reen one shooting bosses

[valid cobalt]

what eye of reen builds around that can one shot bosses?

[oak elk]

ohhh your missing out

over 2.5k Crit multiplier with eye of reen

[valid cobalt]

👀

im interested if u wanna say some

[oak elk]

you know who has the build. they recently made it public

its a boss slaying build tho

not good for mapping

[valid cobalt]

the only one i know is det arrow

cuz im already one shotting at 800c without reen and i know of the reen build

i dont mind exploring other builds :p

[alpine atlas]

Reen is gross

Fun item

[valid cobalt]

it is

[oak elk]

and it isnt Jelkor thatis one shotting i think it is more the modifiers in the Detonating that is doing it.

[dry halo]

Every build is viable if you git gud. The hallmark of a great build is not requiring any skill.

[oak elk]

jelkor just makes it free.

[valid cobalt]

so basically ure only saying det arrow build

[alpine atlas]

Reen and healing effect can make pally very cheaply strong

[valid cobalt]

meh thought theres other builds

[valid cobalt]

yeah but those high corruption videos i see them taking minutes to down a boss

[crisp swallow]

imagine how much better it would be if you had a great build and above average skill 😄

[vital quest]

I prefer to imagine a game without horribly busted uilds

[oak elk]

I heard MG sells Skill on a vendor.

[unique wadi]

😂

[dry halo]

Do you actually think this game has any amount of skill curve lol go learn any instrument one time

[crisp swallow]

i play drums and guitar

and bass

lmao

i also produce

[dry halo]

ok, so above average skill in this game is what, 1 hour into the game?

[crisp swallow]

you could add synth / piano to that list but im not formally trained

i mean you can facetank and stand in fire and die to dots

sure

[unique wadi]

Lmao, lmfao even 🤣 😂

[crisp swallow]

but if you can avoid it thats a skill issue

simple as

[opal thistle]

LP 2 ladel (400k) x2 = 800k
LP 1 Exan (60k) + T6 Fissure (50k) x4 = 440k
LP 1 Boneclamor x4 = 0k
LP 1 Last Steps x4 = 200k
Opulent with T6 crit multi x2 = 400k
T5 relic with veil x2 = 1m
Bone amu with T6 crit multi x2 = 2m

Total = 3.8m

[dry halo]

omg, here I thought I was dealing with elitists or out of touch veterans. Turns out I'm just talking to a bunch of autists lmao

[fresh plover]

you have to realize that your perception of the game is completely different from how devs game want to be or how was it for 5+years, 60k ward is NOT normal 2k cor is NOT normal, all those things arent intended by devs and we have them in the game for only reason that devs rushed the release and didnt do any balancing

[opal thistle]

Lets keep it civil please

[crisp swallow]

wowowow are you actually seething?

i think you are

lmao

[fresh plover]

a normal build is 3k hp melee dude or 5k ward caster

[unique wadi]

Lmao

[crisp swallow]

mg this weekend in a nutshell: seethe & cope

you love to see it

[valid cobalt]

of course 60k wards and 1 shotting 2k+ bosses is normal

[crude violet]

just got here and find this.. time to report wew

[valid cobalt]

smh

[dry halo]

You know how when your gf accuses you of cheating, she's probably cheating? I could never believe anyone on here is "seething". But you can. That's a little sad. Get off your high horse.

[unique wadi]

L mao

[crude violet]

bro got mad

[crisp swallow]

😄

hahahahaha

[empty talon]

everything is fine guys. just sell items for 1.5b now and buy others for 1.5b.
Nothing to see here.

[valid cobalt]

true and real

[crisp swallow]

this is fine

[opal thistle]

The best part is, for most players it actually is fine

[dry halo]

Children think adults disagreeing is mad lol

[alpine atlas]

Just play the game now and not yesterday or tomorrow only get items right now and sell them right now

[crisp swallow]

idk man sounds a lot like you are seething, wether ur an adult or a kid

[opal thistle]

Right now, a big majority of the folks in this game aren't here chatting about it, but are in game having fun!

[oak elk]

(SleepsInCoFBed)

LooksAtSpikyMGBed

[dry halo]

I got to end game gear yesterday. And kind of lost the drive to farm

[oak elk]

Make a new toon do CoF.

[opal thistle]

Here is the bottom line:

• Most players aren't going to push past 500c
• For a decent price right now, you buy items to make just about any build work up to 500c
• Q.E.D. for most players, MG is working perfectly fine

[unique wadi]

L mao

[opal thistle]

For the players trying to get the absolute most out of the game, it's very frustrating to see all the "decent" items get borked in price

They have 3 options:

• Swap to CoF
• Wait it out and hope that either market recovers or EHG takes action
• Take a break from the game until next cycle

[opal thistle]

It's funny, but I don't see any flaws with the logic atm. If you think something is inaccurate feel free to lmk 🙂

[ruby seal]

200m for gloves

[valid cobalt]

swap to cof > spend lots of time spending 200k favors (been there done that) > target farm > get nothing > farm to 200k favor > repeat

sadge

[zinc hemlock]

Not being sarcastic, what do you reckon is a “decent price”?

Lets say someone has played like 100-150h and has maybe 5m gold self found?

[crisp swallow]

he said above you should suck it up and not get any incremental upgrades

[ruby seal]

4m

[crisp swallow]

hes perfectly content with things as is

[zinc hemlock]

Playing a class thats not op (shaman/void knight etc)

[opal thistle]

I don't believe I ever said this

[unique wadi]

The dude is the embodiment of the meme with the dog at the table surrounded by flames

[blazing forum]

idea is you have to sell stuff to buy stuff. not just grind for gold

[crisp swallow]

ye thats what i said too lmao

[opal thistle]

If I did, please reply to where I said those works

[valid cobalt]

wrong, you dont need any of ths "BIS" 2LP + uniques being showcased in guides

so class is irrelevant

exalts is good to go 500

[opal thistle]

Someone posted a build ealier and I was able to make a decent starter (which IMO could take someone to 500c) for about 3.8m

[dry halo]

I can beat any boss with any build. Sometimes I turn off my monitor and just go off of sound to time my dodges

[zinc hemlock]

Nah class isnt irrelvant; its a whole lot harder to do 300corruption on a voidknight doing a melee build than say a lightning based falconer

[empty quarry]

woah

[valid cobalt]

i meant in terms of prices

[opal thistle]

I also never said this, and it's a bit frustrating to have my thoughts / words twisted. But putting that aside, It's possible for things to both be playable right now and for the game to get better as EHG addresses the situation

[zinc hemlock]

👍

[opal thistle]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

• Most players aren't going to push past 500c
• For a decent price right now, you buy items to make just about any build work up to 500c
• Q.E.D. for most players, MG is working perfectly fine

[main fable]

u know you cant force others to play this casual right? Many players out there try hard to grind for better gears and try their best to push to the limit. And these are the players who contribute all these good gears in the market during pushing corruptions and so on. Well...

[crisp swallow]

i agree with the person regarding easter

[modern pivot]

Lol chat getting scrubbed harder than my toenails

[unique wadi]

L mao

[blazing forum]

i see only reasonable posts and a few "blocked message" 😉

[dry halo]

Here I thought I was the troll. You got me

[opal thistle]

For sure, and in that respect MG is in a bad place right now. But it's been less than 24 hours since the vuln was patched. Lets give the devs some time to bring a solution and see how the markets recover over the next week or so👍

But I think there is neuance to be had here

[dry halo]

markets are already recovered. Red rings are 170M.

[opal thistle]

MG is frustrating to play if you're trying to push builds to their absolute limit -> 100%
MG is "unplayable" -> Not a chance

[blazing forum]

recovering

[rare sun]

Recovering.. they were 40 mill

[blazing forum]

and lp2 hearts / lp1 red rings are still out of stock, not even 1.5b

[dry halo]

At soem point they were 6M and that was a lot

[blazing forum]

thats when i bought one :>

[opal thistle]

That was before 2 of the meta builds started to use them

[crisp swallow]

that was also before the market was inflated due to subpar design

[opal thistle]

Once there was multiple vods about how to use RRoA in lightning marks / frostclaw prices exploded

[crisp swallow]

any market that functions like the market currently will hit inflation

its only a matter of when

not if

and dont tell me we have sf as gold sink

because thats irrelevant

[unique wadi]

Gold sink is the problem

[dry halo]

inflation is normal. No one is out there burning their cash

[blazing forum]

arbor?

[crisp swallow]

yes arbor

[dry halo]

4M per arbor run is not a gold sink? You barely make that back

[rare sun]

Lightless arbor is not enough to sink the 6b i have

[unique wadi]

Only 6b?

[crisp swallow]

yes exactly, its completely irrelevant to the market dynamics

[dry halo]

Your 6B is not affecting the market either though

You are the gold sink lol

[rare sun]

6b yet as of yesterday, haven’t checked if something else sold 🤪

[crisp swallow]

honestly, i think a system like in BDO works really well

[unique wadi]

Nice,hope you buy every high end gear

[dry halo]

L mao

[unique wadi]

Uf played bdo a long time ago and don't remember how their market works

[unique wadi]

Can you give some examples

[dry halo]

Pretty sure BDO is where the one chinese guy was spending $20k a week

[rare sun]

I’m close to the maximum corruption i think i can do efficiently with my build so i wont be spending till i feel like doing another build

[dry halo]

I do not want anything like that

[unique wadi]

There was a guy who spent 300k and got banned lmao

[dry halo]

Ok, why is anyone praising BDO economy

[unique wadi]

I remember happening when I used to play

[crisp swallow]

im not praising bdo economy

[empty quarry]

Sorry to interrupt, but what is maximum corruption?

[crisp swallow]

im praising its market system

[opal thistle]

There is no hard limit afaik

[crisp swallow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/14ts6gi/psa_how_the_central_market_actually_works/

this explains it better than i could

[empty quarry]

I heard that too

[opal thistle]

Top builds are pushing 2-3k

[unique wadi]

Tyvm

[rare sun]

With my current build im at around 1300 corruption

[crisp swallow]

bdo is a hellhole literally just like lost ark

but bdo's market system works

[rare sun]

Which is a comfortable spot for my build

[opal thistle]

@crisp swallow I'm curious to get your take on what, if anything, should EHG do going forward

[rare sun]

The only that would improve my build for now would be a 2 lp heart if the slams were good enough

And maybe a 1lp omnis

[crisp swallow]

first and foremorest implement a system to keep track of RMT actors, then assign resources to actually do ban them

[unique wadi]

Doesn't look bad at all

[dry halo]

This would work great actually, even if we categorized by each affix value

[crisp swallow]

yeah

[unique wadi]

Not his job to figure it out

[dry halo]

turns 500 pages into like 3

[opal thistle]

Understood, but was an idle question

[opal thistle]

It's not our job to chat in MG channel in discord, and yet here we are

[unique wadi]

L mao

[opal thistle]

More curious than anything

Totally fine if the answer is: "I don't have a fully formed opinion on that"

[unique wadi]

With your takes, you don't deserve a fully formed opinion

L mao

[opal thistle]

Lets keep it civil please @indigo grail

[dry halo]

Opinions don't matter

[crisp swallow]

well, as it stands, the market system does look like it was just blurted out without any major thought. which is fine for cycle 1. they were probably aware of the inherent impending inflation (i truly hope) but just accepted it will happen in the first cycle

[dry halo]

I don't want to see your fully formed opinion

[crisp swallow]

well, im not really in any way obligated to even give one to you

i gave you an example of a working market system

[opal thistle]

For sure, I agree though that they have a ton of improvements they could make to iterate on it over future cycles

[dry halo]

BDO market would be great. But it definitley doesn't solve the inflation issue

[crisp swallow]

yes, they would need to weave in latent gold sink systems

to the market itself

[unique wadi]

That would be partly solved with more gold sinks

[crisp swallow]

that work passively

[dry halo]

Give people buffs for how much gold they keep in their inventory. So people hoard more. Inflation solved just like the great depression

[opal thistle]

How would a BDO style market work in LE?

[unique wadi]

Inflation will never be solved but it can be made so that it happens slower

[opal thistle]

Starting with the first point of the post, the "always buy the cheaper item"

[unique wadi]

That's what gold sinks are for

[grand robin]

Its hard to speculate how the problem will be dealt with because we dont really understand the tools that EHG has to deal with this issue

[opal thistle]

If you had 2 items with same stats, one with 40 FP and one with 15 FP, would you be forced to buy the cheaper one at 15 FP first?

[opal thistle]

Also very true

They might have excellent logging / tracking to allow them to take action, and they might not have the telemetry to be able to do much

[dry halo]

Just categorize more granular, so you have a 40FP item price and a 15FP price

[crisp swallow]

you could implement it so that items with same stats but different FP are just offered to you within a range

eg 50-40 fp etc

so you would put things in brackets based on value x

and what you get is what you get within that range

[opal thistle]

Gotcha, so you would bucketize them at different FP / Affix combinations

[grand robin]

Yeh maybe they can roll back specific characters or just the market, either way people are going to be unhappy. Might as well just wait and see what happens and play another game for the time being if its something that mentally impacts you. were here for fun

[opal thistle]

So basically have 0, 1-10, 11-20, etc etc

[crisp swallow]

thats one possiblity sure

yeah

[opal thistle]

And then seperate "sub buckets" for different affix combinations

[dry halo]

Even if you bucketize at exact values, it's still better than this system

[crisp swallow]

some items i would not care about the fp bracket if the rolls were right on the affixes

[opal thistle]

I think exact vaules would be too specific

[dry halo]

It's still an improvement

[opal thistle]

Yeah not opposed to them implementing something like that, esp if they improve the search tools

[dry halo]

Right now it's exact values and separate showing for all duplicates

[opal thistle]

IMO one of my biggest pain points right now is searching for idols in the market

Because you cannot search by the quality, you have to scroll through tons of pages and make a best guess if you're getting a decent deal

[crisp swallow]

yeah, also this is an issue with your personal stash too. if they made a system to search for 1 to 4 different affixes, it would be multiple times better than what it is now

[fresh plover]

have u tried searching for good omnis 😏

[crisp swallow]

have a search function for 4 affixes and 4 values or ranges

[opal thistle]

Yo I imagine it would be hell on earth lol

Honestly they could make it like a loot filter

[crisp swallow]

as painful as actually farming it 😦

[opal thistle]

Just setup a bunch of rules and send the query

[crisp swallow]

72 kills

and dropped one with abysmal rolls

[opal thistle]

Market returns items that meet your loot rules

[fresh plover]

im 99.99% sure that something is bricked abt orobus drops and corruption

[dry halo]

farming it is easy if you have skillz

[crisp swallow]

you dont need skills

you need time

🙂

[dry halo]

you have to play above 200 corruption. That takes skillz

[crisp swallow]

that takes more time than skillz

[opal thistle]

If you yell "Good Omnis one time" at the top of your lungs when you kill a shade it's bound to drop

[crisp swallow]

and what it takes even more than what is already mentioned is interest

[crisp swallow]

i saw some hilarious posts that said if you look/face east when you kill him it drops more frequently

[rare sun]

I tried and it took me like 20 minutes to find i good one

[crisp swallow]

hilarious

[unique wadi]

Damn and I was facing north-west every time

[dry halo]

You don't know how the RNG is determined. They could be correct

[opal thistle]

I unassembled the code, it's true. They turn on your webcam and check right as the boss dies, then use AI to determine if you're facing east and boost the drop rate if so

[crisp swallow]

lmao

[dry halo]

I'm turning my desk 90 degrees to test this theory. Give me about 3 months to get a decent sample

[crisp swallow]

🙏 godspeed

[alpine atlas]

10% of the time it works 100% of the time

[unique wadi]

That takes skill

[empty quarry]

Wasn't it 3 steps to right, two back and four to the left of shade for omnis drops?

[dry halo]

Good builds don't need skill. FC RM HERE IM IS

[modern pivot]

What skill comes from slapping some ward on it

[fresh plover]

i mean people cant do julra even with 40k ward

its so funny

[opal thistle]

I believe that's known PEBMAC error in the game right now

Hopefully it gets addressed soon

[fresh plover]

wdym?

[rare sun]

Skill issue

[opal thistle]

"Problem exists between monitor and chair"

[blazing forum]

yea, i can just tank the explosions :>

[fresh plover]

oh lmfao

[blazing forum]

😄

[opal thistle]

The classics are still good even after all these years

[tiny spire]

Are you MG? Because that's not what the situation is right now. There are currently almost no items of value on the market. Yes, you can get gold cap in a couple of sales but your gold is worthless because there is no supply since it has all been bought out by the cheaters. At most, you can get one item if you snipe it for all your gold

[dry halo]

You can afford every Bis -1 LP gear with the perfect T7 exalt to slam

[opal thistle]

The severity of the situation is proportional to how progressed the player is atm

[dry halo]

with one single 1.5B sale

[dry halo]

I'm speaking for all the casuals

[opal thistle]

For sure, agreement there

But at the same time I think it's valid for players who were progressing at the high end of MG to be frustrated

[rare sun]

Like myself

[opal thistle]

If you were sitting on mostly BiS 2LP items looking to save / get a key sale to upgrade and slam some LP3 items it feels like the events of the past 24 hours have put a hard stop to that

[rare sun]

I dont need much more to reach the bis

[opal thistle]

Which it's 100% valid and frustrating

[rare sun]

But that small “much more” is worth 10 b lol

[alpine atlas]

yea i have a bunch of builds that are like 80% done and need some more sutff but its just gunna be a hassle now

[dry halo]

This really does go back to what % of players get above 1k corr. Like it get its frustrating to them. But when it's <1% that's frustrated, should we really be acting like it's the apocalypse

[opal thistle]

Total agreement here, but lets also make sure not to invalidate their frustrations

[unique wadi]

L mao

[tiny spire]

That's not BIS. I have plenty of uniques with 1lp in my stash (as most people), the issue is getting those rare 2-3lp uniques. And even if you just want to slam smth good in your 1lp unique. One t7 Frostclaw is going for 1,1b. On average you'd need 4 of them so that's 4,4b for one item. I think this kinda proves my point that gold is absolutely worthless and you need MULTIPLE gold caps to gear one character which is definitely not intended

[opal thistle]

For folks in that situation, it seems like the only options are:

• Wait and see EHG takes any action to address the market
• Wait it out and hope it recovers naturally
• Swap to CoF
• Take a break until next cycle

[dry halo]

I've already invalidated the entirety of CoF for not wantint got trade. I can add in a handful of high enders

[dry halo]

what is wrong with a T6 slammed onto a 1LP for relic? It's 1 skill point away from BIS

[opal thistle]

Tony I think the issue there is that's what they currently have

And so then they are looking to go, "whats next, how do I improve my build"

And it feels like the only thing is to farm up 1.5 billion gold to get a chance at an incremental upgrade

[unique wadi]

L mao

[opal thistle]

Which is understandably demotivating

[rare sun]

Might not matter to you but you have to respect that it may matter for others

[earnest bough]

Erm so after i read about the sh*tshow about trading. I wanted to change faction. But i literally have to unequip everything i'm wearing right now, and play without gear ? That just seems stupid to me. Will this change ?

[opal thistle]

Whats your IGN, I can take a look and see if there are any shift you could make to get you a starter CoF build

[unique wadi]

Won't change.Also the gear that doesn't have the faction emblem can be worn no matter the faction

[dry halo]

I get it. It's like the filthy rich complaining about the price of private jets. I'm sure you can understand where I'M coming from

[indigo grail]

overall, no. its designed that way to discourage faction hopping. will something change this cycle temporarily, have to wait and see how EHg handles it when they get back from the weekend

[earnest bough]

ok that's just annoying afn merchant's guild is over and no way to properly transfer faction...

[rare sun]

Of course i understand your pov

[unique wadi]

Don't worry, Metabyte will tell you that everything is fine

[opal thistle]

This too shall pass

[earnest bough]

nothing is fine, i literally ahve no other gear.

well, i'll be back next cycle i guess.

[opal thistle]

So looks like you have a lightning marks and a lock

[blazing forum]

i'm fine 🤷‍♂️

[rare sun]

Next cycle start cof and then change to mg

[opal thistle]

What I would recommend is that you setup your filter for gear on your lock

Then do a bit of farming to get some untagged items to get your lock going

[tiny spire]

Nothing wrong with it. A solid transitional item, still costing >400m for one item which isn't even BIS and close to gold cap just for one item. My point is that the damage by the hackers is so severe that it will be almost impossible for the economy to properly recover and we desperately need an intervention from EHG

[rare sun]

WHEN the market inflates again and it get “unplayable” you can always change to cof again

[indigo grail]

i mean...you can go get normal dropped items in MG by playing the game...and wear those in CoF. you just cant wear items bought on MG

[opal thistle]

100% this! This is how I swapped between factions initially when I wanted to level MG after my main was CoF

I just farmed up some gear until I had a decent untagged set, then made the swap

[dry halo]

I don't get why you can't equip CoF items as MG. Like I understand why you can't trade, but you farmed those items fair and square

[rare sun]

Same!!

[modern pivot]

You could always farm an item and then sell it for the same inflated prices

[earnest bough]

yeah, still sounds like a huge waste of time for a thing that ruined a whole faction ?

[rare sun]

You take a hit in progression but thats it

[indigo grail]

im giving you an option to play the game. if you dont wanna take it, thats up to you. but it can be done. just your choice.

[formal hearth]

🍿 that's a wild take

[opal thistle]

For sure, it seems like options are:

• Keep playing in MG and hope the market stabilizes
• Actively swap to CoF

In fact, I think by definition those are the only 2 options assuming you want to keep playing lol

NGL, the only reason I swapped from CoF to MG was to farm the gold to get stash tabs lol

Now that I have the gold to max out my stash I'll probly swap back

[dry halo]

How so?

[dry halo]

Filled half a dozen stash tabs with exalts and still didn't have something with T6-7 +Dex. That was the last straw

[fresh plover]

i think devs said that they want factions to be part of characters identity like specialization, so either you are completely mg or cof its part of the fantasy design

[crisp swallow]

currently the MG fantasy is every player sprang forth from a burnt down house lmao

[formal hearth]

you have clearly never played cof the point of the factions being entirely seperate is both give advantages farming gear as cof you generate so many unnatural items people would simplay farm out 90% of their gear as cof then swap to mg to buy the super rare 3-4 lp items it would defeat the purpose of them being seperate.

[alpine atlas]

you need them separate or people just play cof with a bugged OP build to farm items to sell on MG instead of just doing it on MG to sell on MG

[dry halo]

Then why allow untagged gear and the ability to switch factions to begin with?

[dry halo]

I already said I get why trading wouldn't be allowed on CoF items

I'm talking about equiping them and using them on your char

[fresh plover]

to give some amount of freedom to people, its a middle ground too many people wouldve disliked completely binary system

[opal thistle]

I mean at that point why have factions at all right? Might as well have a system where everyone gets CoF benifits and if a CoF item drops you can't sell it

Which imo, would go against the design vision the devs have

[dry halo]

I don't see what is wrong with this

[opal thistle]

Not saying it's good / bad, I just think it goes against the design vision the devs have for the factions

So I would be shocked if they implemented something like that anytime soon

[formal hearth]

he just wants the best of both worlds

with no trade off

[alpine atlas]

you have them, just cant use them at once

[dry halo]

who doesn't

[formal hearth]

aka no meaningful decisions

[alpine atlas]

it would just make easy to find things more cheap and harder to find things more expensive and drive a gap between metas

[opal thistle]

The game would be much better if every exalt dropped at T7 and every unique was 4 LP /s

[dry halo]

Isn't that what CoF want for their new level perks?

[formal hearth]

that's what he wants to find gear super easy

[stiff aurora]

How hackers are ruining the market? What are they exploiting?

[crisp swallow]

ruined* exploited*

[formal hearth]

no we just want our perks to effect boss drops that's all we want

[opal thistle]

tl;dr is they got basically infinite gold

[dry halo]

so you want the game to be easier. How could you

[stiff aurora]

I see, thanks

[opal thistle]

So the market for high end items are inflated dramatically

[dry halo]

Wait you want the game to be easier for you, but not for anyone else. For no reason since you don't even trade.

[opal thistle]

I think there is room for improvements to both CoF and MG

[unique wadi]

Just for cof

[crisp swallow]

the market is inflated across the board

[opal thistle]

Allow for easier targeting of boss items / idol crafting for CoF
Allow for more targeted searching of the market and better gold sinks for MG

[crisp swallow]

not just for high end items

can we stop the cope

please

[opal thistle]

Oh boy lets do this again

[formal hearth]

no i want my perks to function properly because i have 400 hours this season 300 of which have been farming 1k+ corr and i have 1 lp 2 twisted

[crisp swallow]

red ring: 6m -> 50m -> 140m in a span of about a month

[formal hearth]

there is a difference between what you and i want

[unique wadi]

The cope will continue until morale improves

[crisp swallow]

its unreal

[opal thistle]

The first jump was 100% due to ring ring being a used in 2 top meta builds

[dry halo]

There is no difference.

[opal thistle]

The 2nd jump was due to the vulnerability

[crisp swallow]

how do you quantify this?

gold hax has been going since day 1

it has affected EVERY PRICE on the market

[dry halo]

I've spent x number of hours and don't have what I want. So I need a boost but not you!

[vital quest]

as someone who has spent 150 hours over 4 alts in CoF, I can honestly say it's awful for getting specific necessary items for a build. RNG is terrible, and to me, it feels like loot tables are unbalanced. You get lots of the same garbage uniques. This is ignoring LP.

[opal thistle]

I have CoF at rank 10 as well, and I can empathize with you. target farming boss items / idols is def a pain point

[vital quest]

I was actually going to look at market - made a new char for it. This was the day before this gold cheat happened.

[valid cobalt]

peak dropped to 30m for 3LP

[opal thistle]

To my knowlegde the exploit that was patched was reported a few weeks ago, and the finder only went "public" a few days ago (thus the seeming overnight bump to 800m red rings yesterday)

[vital quest]

CoF is fantastic for alting though.

[crisp swallow]

ppl dont just pull the 6m to 140m delta out of their buttocks, they either sell stuff or buy gold RMT, and the RMT gold dupers SET THE CEILING

[unique wadi]

Idols are the real pain.Took me 3 days playing 16h a day with full on target farming to get 4 idols for my build

[crisp swallow]

for all items

not just for meta items

[formal hearth]

it's only bosses everything else is gucci with cof they need to rebalance favor costs because rewards for rare items shouldn't be the most efficient for exalts, but we can generate plenty of lp uniques

[opal thistle]

Before that, I remeber ring rings being sub 10m, Mattjestic put out the videos for lightning marks and frostclaw, and over the next 3 days prices went from sub 10m to 80m+

[crisp swallow]

the underlying issue is trade item for gold, item goes off market, money stays

the reason is the gold dupe, not any meta emerging

the gold sellers react to the meta

[opal thistle]

The real solution is to add sick cosmetic items that cost lots of gold

[crisp swallow]

100x prices

boom

[dry halo]

A single % on a idol is the difference of 100k vs 10M. Yall are OCD as hell or something

[opal thistle]

Give me a hat that costs 1.5 billion that said "Not a black hat hacker hat"

[opal thistle]

Yeah idol pricing is wild

sometimes you can find a gem where someone didn't bother to price check

But good luck going through 500 pages of idols to find it lol

[dry halo]

Got my gambler amulet for 0g this way

[crisp swallow]

i dont think you understand the underlying mechanics here. the gold injection to the market has been so massive since day 1 that all prices go up

[opal thistle]

It's a meme

[crisp swallow]

its certainly not

one vide of meta emerging

[opal thistle]

No like, what I said was a joke lol

[crisp swallow]

people cant pull that amount of money from their buttocks

in a span of 1 day

they either sell to market set prices (chinese fiddlers)

[opal thistle]

i think you mean can

[crisp swallow]

or buy money from them

[opal thistle]

Instead of "cant"

[fresh plover]

u can still very much play it and itll be better than cof dont worry

[opal thistle]

Or if you meant cant, it's can't (with an ')

[dry halo]

some of these people here don't recognize jokes lol

[opal thistle]

For sure, MG is totally viable depending on your goals

If you want to take a build to 300c - 500c then you're golden

You can make just about any mastery work for less than 5m, which is very easy to get with current market prices

[vital quest]

I mean, that's alright. This is basically my skill level anyway. I choose not to play super broken builds. (300-500)

[fresh plover]

i mean MG will always be better as long as we have more than like 30-40 active traders farming , cof loot bonus isnt even stronger than 4 man party farming with no factions at all

[dry halo]

4 man party farming for one player

[crisp swallow]

72 omnis kills with 4 man party farming for me, in the end it dropped only for me lmao

[fresh plover]

no, 4 man farming on same class just different builds so they wont overlap

[alpine atlas]

ive been playing with 6 people alot on cof before i swapped and ive found 1 bee idol over my 400 hours and they dont have one, so mg has its uses

[crisp swallow]

no i mean they literally cant if the market was unworkable

on an order of magnitude like this, the price hikes are not due to market dynamics

[opal thistle]

From what I see there are basically 5 camps:

• High end (1000c+) MG folks who are frustrated that they cannot get upgrades with current market prices
• The average sub 500c gamers hearing the above ^ and are panicking
• Folks who are trying to calm the above ^ down by telling them MG is fine for them
• Trolls trying to get people riled up
• CoF only folks watching it unfold from the sideline with popcorn

[crisp swallow]

but massive bloat in gold into the economy

[opal thistle]

We've been over this, I made you a build from what you posted before that was 3.8m that would be 1000% viable up to 500c

[oak elk]

🍿

[opal thistle]

With current market prices

[opal thistle]

❤️

[crisp swallow]

ehh, i was talking about a single item as an example

which you conviniently fail comprehend or straight up ignore

[dry halo]

this is a great breakdown lmao

[opal thistle]

I must have missed the example, don't want you to feeling ignored

[crisp swallow]

its fine

im talking to a wall

or a shill

[opal thistle]

@crisp swallow which Item were you refering too?

[crisp swallow]

😄

[oak elk]

I think he is the wall.

[opal thistle]

Again with the ad hominemattacks my guy, lets keep it civil

[opal thistle]

So lets keep the discussion going, sorry if you felt ignored, which item were you refering too?

[formal hearth]

🍿

[crisp swallow]

its ok everything is fine

this is fine

suck it up or play cof or quit

3 options

[dry halo]

in the name of balance, these 1000s corruption need to stop crying because they still have it better than CoF

[oak elk]

It is what it is.

Not true

[opal thistle]

Lemme get this right, you claim that I am ignoring / failing to comprehend. When I (in good faith), ask you to clarify you back track and change the subject?

[oak elk]

I am CoF and Mg and i have 1k+ plus on both camps

[dry halo]

which was easier

[oak elk]

CoF IMO

[dry halo]

SEE MG NEEDS DROP BUFFS

[oak elk]

i rather spend time farming Profs then HOPING to get

a RNG drop for 100m

[crisp swallow]

😄

[oak elk]

(back then)

MG is good to gear atls for Low corruption

but if you wanna min max with expensive stuff

CoF is bette IMO

some would disagree cuz they rich

[crisp swallow]

sorry mr metabyte but i am innately trained in the fine art of farsight, and can actually see where this conversation is going, as it has gone for many times over

[dry halo]

You're right. CoF is WAY better

Tell the devs!

[oak elk]

ON paper MG is better

[opal thistle]

I feel like I am being gaslit hard lol, you claim I am ignoring you and when I ask for clarification you back track hard lol

[oak elk]

but even before the market crash

I Felt CoF was marginally better

but that was just perference then

[signal isle]

For alt lovers what is better CoF or mg?

[tiny spire]

It's currently sitting at 200m. But considering the 2000% changes of the past weeks a 40% price difference is peanuts 😛

[crisp swallow]

lets agree to disagree

[stiff aurora]

I'm playing MG, 700c with current build, with proper loot filter, I make 200-300mil every 4h, still for me the issue is not the item to min-max for 1000c, just the fact that someone is raising the prices of items that are not that good but needed for builds, because these gold exploits (I just realized today).

[dry halo]

you claim a camp of trolls but you've never seen one

[crisp swallow]

yeah, this is why its hard to see the price hikes as a system wide thing

[opal thistle]

It's a character fault of mine, I tend to give people a bit too much benfit of the doubt lol

[crisp swallow]

its a boiling frog type beat

[oak elk]

@opal thistle Just Frek them.
If it didnt hurt us It didnt hurt us. Frek everyone else.

Everyman and Gentlebean for themselves

[crisp swallow]

the house has already burned

the frog has already boiled

[dry halo]

No one is cooking frogs dude

[crisp swallow]

its so over

[tiny spire]

Go with CoF my friend, MG is currently too much headache

[unique wadi]

Joever

[oak elk]

CoF mains would like to say its not over

[crisp swallow]

yes obviously cof keeps on trucking

[opal thistle]

It depends on the goals of your alt

[dry halo]

CoF is OVERPOWERED. I saw a guy drop like 20 uniques. And guess what, they all had X2 chance for LP

[split wave]

imo it's more of a playstyle choice, both are good for it. CoF is good if you like finding random stuff and then making a new character around lucky drops. MG is good if you have a more defined goal in mind and don't want to rely as much on RNG.

[crisp swallow]

xd

[unique wadi]

True,nerf please

[oak elk]

IDK 90% of CoF Drops are grabage

[blazing forum]

still nearly all unique drops are trash. be they from arbor or prophecies.

[oak elk]

you just have a marginal better chance to get better loot if you can farm well and fast

[opal thistle]

If you want to push up to around 500c on your alts, then MG is great. If you want to push higher then you'll start running into the issues that were caused by the gold exploits

[dry halo]

10%?!? MG gets 0% right now

[oak elk]

well 10% of .0012 is what

.0013

not that great lets be honest

[dry halo]

There is 0 total ways for MG to get end game items. True statement backed by many pros

[opal thistle]

As the market stands right now, you basically cannot get LP3+ of any top end items in MG

[tiny spire]

A lot of builds can go to 500c in self-found gear. The point of the faction is your preferred way of fine-tuning and attempting to get BIS gear for your build. Currently it's impossible to do with MG unless you're cheating or already have everything

[unique wadi]

Just switch to CoF

[opal thistle]

I don't believe that the "average" player is going to go much beyond 500c

[opal thistle]

That being said, I do agree that the MG vs CoF is more of a conversation around playstyle than power

[dry halo]

My pont is that LP3 are impossible to find even with CoF

[opal thistle]

Top CoF players would disagree

[split wave]

The average player is not going to reach empowered monos

[oak elk]

now that is a lie

i have atleast 2 bays of L3

[stiff aurora]

you can get to 500-750c with 2lp good items and still make it in MG for what I can see, only problem is that someone rn is raising all the prices of mandatory uniques for builds, I suspect the same hackers that yesterday satured the 3-4lp market.

[dry halo]

I'm talking end game gear. not any unique

[crisp swallow]

i have 4lp xithara, and 4lp bee gloves

and 4lp urzil

as cof

[dry halo]

See MG needs buffs. Not CoF

[signal leaf]

i got 3 xlp 3 mad alc 1 x4lp , on drop 2 x 4 lp drought and so on and so on

[dry halo]

I say if you list an item, you can pay runes to sell it multiple times

[tiny spire]

I'm currently trying to switch through an alt and so far I had some REALLY dope drops with CoF. 4lp Urzil's, 3lp Ladle, some extrmely godly 2x t7 gloves and some nice t7 ms + t6 affix boots. I'm not even rank 10 and the drops seem more than fine. I think the only issue might be targeting the items you need for your build but overall you do get drops you'd never see on the market anyways

[valid cobalt]

went and sold my red ring for 700m lul

[opal thistle]

Great example, Raxx isn't even level 100 and he has 2 LP3 blast knives
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Raxxanterax/character/RaxxMM2

[signal leaf]

just play 15h aday and you get loot

[crisp swallow]

its over

in fact its so over i cant even

[opal thistle]

Have you considered (K * 2)+1

[oak elk]

how do I upload my build on that

[crisp swallow]

rude

[oak elk]

I was tryna figure that out.

[indigo grail]

i would actually LOVE to see how many players stopped where on their accounts. where the actual break point is

[golden oxide]

If you can't afford something, just go into debt (negative gold) to buy it. Sheesh people.

[dry halo]

So if CoF gets boosts to boss drops, MG has to get better LP drops

[opal thistle]

Yeah, it would be very interesting to see data on how many players get to what level / monolith / corruption, from a % pov

[stiff aurora]

that data wouldn't help, because everything is changeing right now, since a couple of days let say, so all previous data are invalid.

[split wave]

Same, I always love stats like that

[oak elk]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Mialaz/character/Naplaz

[frigid shell]

what would be the point of COF if MG had similar LP drops

[oak elk]

this toon is like 100 hours ish.

[signal leaf]

why sit and Comperd Mg and COF in a MG channel you bored or somthing

[unique wadi]

True,we know CoF is superior

[signal leaf]

if you are Cof why do you even Care about MG

[frigid shell]

90 % of players have both cof and mg

[dry halo]

better not equal. I see a lot of CoF complaining that MG is better and CoF needs a buff. But here in MG world, we're very persistent that CoF has it way better. and we have the proof

[crisp swallow]

xd

[gloomy ember]

any word from devs if theyre going to fix the mg fiasco? these prices are absurd

[dry halo]

They said you sell your items and get filthy rich

[crisp swallow]

no but we have many upstanding citizens telling you that its in fact, fine

[opal thistle]

It's actually kinda funny how it shifted from:

• pre-launch: CoF is wayyyy better
• post-launch: MG is wayyyy better
• now: The other faction has it wayyyy better

[crisp swallow]

here we go

[opal thistle]

So far no statement from the devs, my guess would be something early next week

[frigid shell]

I think top players in either faction think the other one is better because their brains have reached 1000 corruption

[opal thistle]

Most likely outcome seems to be that any accounts who exploited will be banned

[signal leaf]

ye and 90% of them are now playing other game becus they max out after 2-3 weeks and now they play poe

[opal thistle]

Outside of that, any action folks think EHG will take is pure speculation

[oak elk]

I say we delete factions and watch the world burn hue hue hue

[frigid shell]

thats how it goes, hard to match poe in endgame content when the game has been out 1 month

sad tho

[opal thistle]

Just human behavior, grass is always greener and all that

[signal leaf]

well next season gona end even faster tbh becus thet wont be thet big of a change , just a few bosses and and some changes no big inpact rly on the game loop of play, and ye it gona be same on legacy as the new cyckel gets

[indigo grail]

no, since its a weekend. they whole team needs to get together to talk about it.

[tiny spire]

Sums it up quite nicely and there is some truth to it. On launch, you could get insanely godly uniques with high lp for pennies. 2-3lp Twisted Hearts went for millions or less. Some items went for 0 gold. Took some time until people realized what things are worth. And then cheating hit the market and the inflation spiraled out of control

[dry halo]

🤣

[crisp swallow]

actually top take

[blazing forum]

my 3 lp3 and 2 lp4 CoF jelk daggers would like to disagree

[oak elk]

@blazing forum Dont spoil the beans

Keep those gems hidden

[tiny spire]

Saw a YTer that had couple of 4lp and a bunch of 3lps in his inventory ready for slamming and claimed it took him only a couple of hours of target farming.

[valid cobalt]

[tiny spire]

At high corruption, CoF seems solid or even better than MG for targeting generic high lp uniques.

[blazing forum]

they actually are byproducts of me getting 2 lp4 drought's release for my falconer 😛

[dry halo]

Talking about AH will cause me to seeth, and seething hurts my jaw which means the cause was an act of violence. So talking bad about the current state of AH is against discord rules

[signal leaf]

play more and you can afford stuff ,.is a Pro tip

[unique wadi]

Cof supremacy demonstrated once again

[crisp swallow]

xdd

this chat is hilarious

[signal leaf]

well 10-20h aday Np to buy stuff

[dry halo]

I can't play more, I'm too busy complaining about how I can't buy the items that I want. What do you want me to do? farm my own items? That is not a pro tip, that is a CoF agent

[unique wadi]

Just play CoF

[signal leaf]

ye i notic it! next cycel do 15-20h day for a week on some Op stuff then you Can be Free rest of the cycel and do Random builds becus you will swim in gold

[livid aspen]

someone pin this

[crisp swallow]

thats a good breakdown

except i would fix the part where it says mg is good if you have more defined goal in mind and dont want to rely as much on rng

[dry halo]

Yeah if you play 10h+ a day, better to go CoF. since you will make too much gold in MG and will hit end game way too quickly

[signal leaf]

Well you make gold so you can Roll other build later on

[crisp swallow]

mg was good*

[signal leaf]

just use the rune thet make uniqs on rings and you will have a few B soon

[crisp swallow]

now its good if ur a gold duper

[signal leaf]

aint thet bad chanse on redrings tbh

[crisp swallow]

i got 2 1lp red rings from a single prophecy in cof

so im not complaining

3 maxrolls

[signal leaf]

OP Op nerf coF

[dry halo]

I have no idea why anyone would gold dupe, game is not fun if you don't grind for 1000h+. I sell all of my best items for 0g so I don't progress too fast.

[crisp swallow]

xd

[signal leaf]

well 1000h for you gona be like 500days

[unique wadi]

Too obvious bait,be more discreet

[signal leaf]

0 gold = drop on the ground

[crisp swallow]

double t7 with affixes im never gonna use = drop on the ground

i even vendored a 4lp xithara

[dry halo]

Exactly, I want this game to last me > a year. That'll give me a reason to go into legacy too. You can't enjoy a game without using all of its features

[crisp swallow]

another mans garbage is another mans 500g

[frigid shell]

CoF'er stuck in a MG body 😢

[dry halo]

No i need to spend my favor so I don't have too much. I want to have to farm before every purchase

[signal leaf]

Call a Exorsist!

[unique wadi]

Chat died as hard as MG

[sick kelp]

what the hell happened to the market, why is everything 1bil

I stop playing for a week and come back to this nonsense

[unique wadi]

Exploit happend

People printed billions of gold

Now stuff costs billions

[sick kelp]

Items already weren't affordable

[unique wadi]

Not going to be for a long time

[frail thistle]

Did they fix mg yet

[frail thistle]

If ur broke maybe

[sick kelp]

Yeah i didn't print money or rmt

[river kernel]

You can easily buy stuffs cheaply if you don't go for high LP meta stuffs

[frail thistle]

Me either but I’m still not broke

[river kernel]

I sold a 2LP deathrattle and it was enough for me to make 2 strong builds

[grand robin]

oh you mean the stuff we have filling our bank tabs?

[unique wadi]

No

[blazing forum]

it might fix itself over the next weeks. seen 3 lp1 red rings so far. so while some prices exploded a bit it should still work

[grand robin]

prices are definitely correcting closer to before public knowledge of the exploit, but i feel like part of the real harm is just the fact the items are off the market and now unattainable to get. The body armour wings of watever was 75-125m for 1LP before and about 2 pages of them available. last i checked theres 2 available for 1.3-1.5 bil

other examples like peak of the mountain 3 lp was about 20m before jumped to 1.5b and is now 30m

money is being spread around just not in a fair way

prices will reflect that but dmg is done

[woeful ferry]

I don't see it as anywhere close to prior. LP stuff for any meta build is still 5-10x cost it was 2 days ago or simply isn't for sale

[river kernel]

Also less people playing now so restock will take a while

[grand robin]

yeah everything is more expensive with more money in the game now, but at least not everything is 1.5b

[woeful ferry]

I don't think some will ever get restocked, between PoE and this I feel like alot of MG players are pretty much done

[grand robin]

i mean even a Cof player could be like 'idk man they might roll back the servers so im not playing'

its a big issue for everyone not just mg

[woeful ferry]

It feels bad that they haven't even said anything, not that they have to write a dissertation but a simple post acknowledging it would be nice. I feel zero incentive to play and pretty sure I'm not alone.

[frail thistle]

It’s literally Easter

[woeful ferry]

You've never written a work e-mail on your weekend?

[crisp swallow]

here we go

people coping again

xd

''its ok if you dont aim for lp items''

lmaoooooo

[grand robin]

yeah i think people overlooking the fact this is a major us holiday weekend they probably dont know what to do , but they did acknowledge and hotfix it, they just havent said more

[lofty elbow]

what happened with MG?

[grand robin]

they have a lot more work to do than just write a statement

[opal thistle]

It's a long story, but basically the timeline is:

• There was a gold exploit that allowed some player to get (effectively) infinite gold
• They then bought out a ton of LP2+ items and key T7 exalts
• This drove prices up for any items for high end builds

[formal hearth]

if you think there gonna do a roll back i got bad news

[opal thistle]

Yeah, I would be absolutely flabbergasted if they did a rollback

[formal hearth]

if they were gonna do a rollback it would have been within the first few hours yesterday

[lofty elbow]

damn haha so im guessing the prices are insane now?

[grand robin]

i dont think they will

didnt say that

at all

[opal thistle]

If you're not looking to push top builds (i.e. you're planning on staying in the 200-300c range) then you'll be basically unaffected

If you already had decent 1-2LP in most slots and were saving for 3LP items or T7 of meta affixes, you'll be SoL for a while

[grand robin]

but the idea of there being even a 0.01% of a roll back will turn some people away

[opal thistle]

Given EHGs previous statements about actively interfering with the cycle, I think the chances of a rollback are lower than an LP4 Red Ring

[river kernel]

The best that they can do is just ban some people, the game economy is done for the cycle

[grand robin]

sure but thats not stopping people from considering it

[formal hearth]

someone will eventually get that red ring and it will be a glorious day

[lofty elbow]

i stopped playing a few days before this all happened and just wanted to know what happened. good thing i had my fun before it really went to crap

[opal thistle]

I mean, background radiation could cause a bitflip which could in turn delete your characters at any time. It's just so imporbable that you don't have to worry about it. Same thing here, I don't see a rollback happening

[opal thistle]

Just depends on where you are in your progression

[frail thistle]

I’m considering the fact that they might just say heck it and start the new cycle on Tuesday should ehg do something about that

I’m also considering deez

[opal thistle]

If you're already at the 1000c looking for incremental upgrades on top meta items then you'll be in bad shape for this cycle and will struggle to progress as the markets are right now

[opal thistle]

If you're vibing at sub 300c and LP1 with good slams could be an upgrade, you'll be fine

Depends on your goals for the cycle etc

[lofty elbow]

i was pretty much done with LE for this cycle, had 2-3lp gear and occasional 4lp here and there. got to 1200c and that was it for me. leveled 6 different classes and couldnt go through the blessings etc. all over again

[grand robin]

@opal thistle okay obvious the player count dropping isnt entirely tied to this and maybe a large majority isnt. but theres definitely people who think a roll back might happen and arent playing the games a result of that. do we disagree about that?

[grand robin]

are you playing or not playing the game until you kow what happens?

[opal thistle]

Oh yeah then the MG situation affects you, I would say it seems like you've gotten what you want out of the cycle

[grand robin]

idc either way

[unique wadi]

Ar the end of the day, CoF supremacy.

[frail thistle]

I am playing the game every waking moment I’m currently addicted

[opal thistle]

I don't disagree that there might be folks who are reluctant to play due to a fear of a rollback, I would contend that worrying about a rollback is misguided

[grand robin]

right on keep on keeping on

[frail thistle]

Also deez nuts

[opal thistle]

ha, got em

[crisp swallow]

inb4 rollbacck

[unique wadi]

L mao

Can't wait for a youtuber to do an analysis of this whole situation in a 40 min youtube

[crisp swallow]

lmao

guys relax its fine here order my merch

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[cursive ginkgo]

highly doubt it, EHG didn't even want to add a MG option in the first place

[crisp swallow]

im snipping everything for when the rollback happens

🙂

[cursive ginkgo]

and people have been doing this bug since launch, where would you even decide to roll back to lol

[grand robin]

definitely but since we dont really understand the tools EHG has to address this issue people will wildly speculate what they are going to do until they say that they are going to do. And honestly i dont think speculating a rollback of some capacity is entirely out of the picture. I personally dont think this is the approach theyll take but its definitely an option, no hate think were on the same team. we just want answers

[crisp swallow]

shut it all down

welcome cycle 2

[unique wadi]

Just give all players 10B gold

If everyone is rich,nobody is

[honest cave]

You can easily make few billions a day on this market

Just gotta know where to farm

[crisp swallow]

lmao

you should lead the central bank of america

[cursive ginkgo]

tie the economy to soj's instead

[river kernel]

I doubt people even want to sell the super rares when they are worth way more than 1.5b now

[unique wadi]

That's where I got the tactic

[crisp swallow]

tried and tested

i like it

[oak elk]

🍿

[woeful ferry]

This guy D2's

[light flax]

🍿
(sent by the cof)

[sick kelp]

If they don't do something legacy is gonna be in for a good time when the next cycle starts

[tired edge]

oh well legacy is just graveyard cycle anyway ngl

[cunning ether]

No one really cares about legacy in ARPG games, its all about seasons

[frail thistle]

Who cares about legacy lol

[pearl walrus]

i mean tbf, if they do no cycle mechanic then legacy is just cycle 1.5

so

[dense flame]

https://discord.com/invite/9yajhMmz come one come all come join the merchant's guild hall. we're building a website with loads of useful tools for MG players ready for when the market comes back strong.

[tired edge]

ngl if there was a box to check that made it so none of the cycle stuff got ported over to legacy id check it

just have everything autodelete xD

obviously optional cuz some people do want to keep it but ye

[opal thistle]

Clarity for this take, are you saying a button that prevents everyones cycle stuff from carrying over you just yours? And when you say stuff do you specfiically mean gold/materials/items?

[tired edge]

just mine ofc

and everything

chars deleted ... bank doesnt transfer ... gold and affixes dont transfer

guild progress doesnt transfer

[opal thistle]

You can just do this already by only playing cycle characters?

[tired edge]

nah cuz all of that ports over at the end of the cycle

[opal thistle]

But when the new cycle begins you can just make a cycle character

And it'll be a fresh acc, no gold items etc

[tired edge]

*oh ye also the ability to wipe a gamemode profile to start from 0 *

[opal thistle]

If you don't care about MG you can do this already in offline mode iirc

Basically just play offline and clear your data whenever a new cycle releases

[tired edge]

you can do something sort of like this in poe by playing in ssf and then transfering ssf to standard which wipes all of ssf

[tired edge]

wait really

ic

[rare kettle]

any tips on how to find an idol with high stats for a reasonable price?

[opal thistle]

It's a slog, what I do is pick a range and then start going through pages and if I see a "decent" one I jot down the page # and row/column

Depending on the idol a price range of say 400k - 500k might be 40 pages or so

Then once I've gone through them, I check my notes and pick up the best idols that I noted down

That's my current system, unsure if there is a better one but it's what has worked for me to pick up some decent idols

[rare kettle]

jeez...

[opal thistle]

Less than ideal, but seems to be kinda the only option with the current system

Hopefully they add a way to search / filter idols by range

So you can say "Give me all the +Health / +% Health idols with at least +20 / +4%" and then go from there

Until then though you're stuck trying to find a needle in a haystack

@indigo grail someone we have someone spamming OF

[solar oracle]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[hybrid bronze]

Hoping someone can help, I found a 1x3 large acolyte idol with 8% health and 25% minion fire dmg on it. I can't find any of these on the market, but it might just be the interface being shite. Is this some kind of BIS idol that they're sold out or is the filter just farked?

I can find either the health, or the dmg, but not both together

[grand pewter]

Make sure it's the correct type of health! check both affixes on your search and make sure one is a prefix and one is a suffix.

[hybrid bronze]

Thanks very much mate. I was using cremating instead of 'of fire'. Derp

Man this interface could use some work, haha.

I was salivating at the prospect that I'd found something really good for a minute

[blazing forum]

yea, interface is annoying. what tripped me up most is that even in your acolyte case you need to check the affix of generic. makes sense in hindsight, but wasn't intuitive for me

[grand pewter]

Mhm- it's not super intuitive, but once you get ahold of it its not too bad!

Seeing that EHG is updating the character sheet I think that they have UI stuff on their radar.

[tiny spire]

any news or actions from the devs about the MG gold issues?

[pearl walrus]

no

[honest cave]

Good. Let us stack like 100bil gold

[blazing forum]

i'm notrisking it. i'm spending most gold i get

[pearl walrus]

i mean the bug is already fixed so

[honest cave]

Risking what? Do you actually think they will remove your gold?

[blazing forum]

no. but they might.

[honest cave]

So remove all the progress since the 1.0 released

I'd just quit and never play again if they'd remove my 400 hours of progress

[hybrid bronze]

What was the bug?

[honest cave]

And so would prolly 80-90% of the MG players

[blazing forum]

if i was them i'd at least consider deleting unclaimed 500-1.5 bil and just readd the item to the stall, even if that dupes it

more items do no harm. trillions in the economy does

[frail thistle]

did they fix mg yet

[pearl walrus]

no

[blazing forum]

it fixed itself a little bit

[hybrid bronze]

How is it broken?

[pearl walrus]

gold dupe exploit made anything worth a damn value wise become 1.5b immediately.

so you basically cant buy any good items

[frail thistle]

no not the gold dupe

[pearl walrus]

and there are no good items up

[frail thistle]

i just didnt have enough favor yet to buy all the items i wanted

[hybrid bronze]

I've never understood the subtleties of how these companies decide whether or not to ban/strip the accounts of dupers and exploiters :S Take a hard line approach and fewer people will do it going forward

[tiny spire]

just put every crap for 1,5b in AH maybe something will sell

[honest cave]

^

[frail thistle]

yea the market is bound to fix itself tbh thats how markets work

just a litta bit o inflation innit

[honest cave]

Just looted +4 profane with necro res. Use rune of creation. Easy 3bil

[tiny spire]

just a little bit ?!?!

[honest cave]

Kek

[tiny spire]

its on 🔥

[frail thistle]

just sell and be part of the chaos

[honest cave]

Exactly

[frail thistle]

mfs be like omg things are so expensive now!!

and?? get ur bag up broke boy

[tiny spire]

even if i had the gold should i camp MG for my lp3???

[frail thistle]

sounds long

[tiny spire]

there is nothing to buy kekw

[frail thistle]

do you happen to be looking for items for the frost claw build

[tiny spire]

a few days ago pages of lp3 and now empty

[honest cave]

Yeah if you're late on min-maxing then it's kinda bad

[frail thistle]

the only thing causing issues now is the insanely low gold cap

[tiny spire]

It's not the inflation only. Cheaters have multiple gold caps and buy EVERYTHING of value the moment it comes into the market. If you as a normal player want anything "rare" prepare to spend gold cap 1,5b and try to snipe an auction within seconds/minutes

[frail thistle]

welcome to america

[tiny spire]

^

[honest cave]

Don't have to be a cheater to have multiple gold caps

You can make billions a day if you know where to farm

I'm +6bil today

[tiny spire]

dupers probably still holding gold with sold items

[blazing forum]

at this point it's not only the cheaters. i sold stuff for a few billions and sniped a few items myself as soon as they showed up

[blazing forum]

unless deleted we can be sure of that

[frail thistle]

they should just completely remove the gold cap

[blazing forum]

apparently they cant (easily)

[frail thistle]

L vibes

[hardy lance]

It would require altering the column type in sql and recoding data types in game code.

[frail thistle]

even without the dupe i feel like the cap is super low

[tiny spire]

how? farming bosses for some special lp uniques or what?

[hardy lance]

You can't. Even at 2k corruption farming monos, hitting gold cap is far away.

[blazing forum]

btw: 2lp heart on market

[burnt fiber]

Can someone send me a invite i need the teleport to MG please

Baker812

[frail thistle]

you sell things you dont just farm raw gold lol

[frail thistle]

ill do it for 500mil

[honest cave]

No. Soulfire bastion is a good place atm. 1LP Immolator with +6 spell sells for 100mil. 2LP +6 is 1.5bil. And you only gamble amulets. I've gotten 7 x 1LP Gamblers fallacy which sells for 50-100mil each. 2LP is 1.5bil

[tiny spire]

I applaud to your resilience but I'm done with MG for this season. As annoying as it might be a transit to CoF is the only option for me. When you need multiple gold caps to gear a character something is very wrong with the economy

[honest cave]

Arbor is also giga stronk

[hardy lance]

Right the secret to making gold cap is to sell into an inflated economy where gold duping happened. I mean, yes...

[blazing forum]

wondring if i should buy 1 and hope i get the int as well and not just the claw 🤔

[frail thistle]

yea exactly thats just basic economics tbh

[hardy lance]

Lol true.

[honest cave]

Multiple gold caps? Hell. You can make a Torment warlock with 100mil investment and Easy clap corruption 1k

[frail thistle]

doing the 1k corruption is easy, getting to 1k corruption requires the patience of a monk

[tiny spire]

^This. I currently have an RM build around 1k corruption and further working on this build would be in the range of 10b or so.

[burnt fiber]

Can someone get me the MG teleport please. and not for 500m lmao.

[tiny spire]

200m

[frail thistle]

you could negotiate lol, its the merchant guild after all

and our time isnt free, we're entrepreneurs

[burnt fiber]

ya'll nuts. i'll just go to global and get it free

lmao

[frail thistle]

best of luck in finding someone who doesn't value their time! smh my head

[tiny spire]

can i increase with blessings btw the belt drop?

[blazing forum]

didnt do soulfire for a while, could actually use that change of scenery

[honest cave]

No clue if it works on specific boss loot, but for what I feel it's not even needed. You'll get plenty of the belts even without the blessing. Just do 10 runs and you should be up 100mil+

Also landing on 2lp Ashes of Mortality is 300mil+

[tiny spire]

i just got an lp3 ashes xD

[fading hearth]

is there a database or something of the sort to know the value of items in the market or do i have to manually check it?

[honest cave]

Lul. Ez 1.5bil

[fading hearth]

to sell for money i mean

[honest cave]

You'll know the prices after checking stuff for a week

[plush urchin]

*cycle right? gold nodes in monos + gold blessing or target farming high value uniques

[humble burrow]

could someone explain to me whats the point of merchant 9 and 10 all legendarys i see are completly trash since u cant sell items that u slammed when u bought exalteds or uniques for it from market

[wispy sinew]

There’s no point, you’ll rarely if ever see a legendary with the right stats

[humble burrow]

ye but isnt that a bit stupid? like why wouldnt i be allowed to sell my slammed items like its still a chance let people be rewarded for a good slam and let others buy it for "overpriced" when they dont wanna take a risk i thought thats the point of having a market faction

but instead i can buy the worst lp2 gaze for 700mil with 2% crit lol

[blazing forum]

you can build legends for profit or ideally sell your old ones if you build something even better. but yea, most legends you see are fails.

also: weavers count as legend when you played witht hem and they rolled random stats

[unkempt berry]

Where is circle of fortune guild located

[humble burrow]

i rerolled like over 50 wavers i cannot describe how hard i dislike the random factor in this game lol

[blazing forum]

not in this channel

[blazing forum]

rolled some funny ones. but specially for weavers MG is kinda good - just prices get stupid for good rolls

[humble burrow]

like i have a +4 frostclaw, lp4 laddle, t7 int gaze with 4%, good roll t7 int unstable core, t7 int max int roll blood of exiles, good roll lp2 frag of enigma with t7 crit mult, t5 cast, the red ring with max rolls and close to perfect julra t7 int, strands of souls good roll with the cd recovery t7 and decent amulet but there is the thing the amulet and my gloves could be better but there are no usefulls on the market and if someone doesnt sell a perfect one i cant get these both upgraded and they wouldnt even make a huuge diff so im pretty much stuck and there is no upgrade to see just doing meaningless echos over and over and stock up gold thats worth nothing lol since there are no good items

[blazing forum]

300+ mana? if so from where?

[humble burrow]

there are like 9 unstable cores on market and all base stats are bad either too low mana to get to 300 or too low ele dmg and all cost 800mil+ anyways xD so even if i had 2,1b which is the gold cap i could buy 2 of them and even if i win the lottery then and get the 2 stats i want which is quite unlikely as it seems they would be worse

[humble burrow]

from unstable core mine gives me 91 rn which brings me to 306 mana

[blazing forum]

ah, mixed it up. thought you're also running static shell

[humble burrow]

and even the lp1 took me 9 or 10 tries to get the int onto it which wasnt that much content tbh running the sanctum that often

[humble burrow]

is it actually worth?

[unkempt berry]

How do you type without slow mode

Nevermind

[humble burrow]

maybe its the problem of my class as it seems runemaster items are so rare for example the frostclaw lol i think its at 1b rn with 0 fp

[blazing forum]

i'm running eternal gauntlets with t4 experimental, so 39% of my armour mitigation applies to dot. so i stacked a lot of armour pretty much everywhere and static shell bumps that up even more. and the more dmg is also nice

[humble burrow]

when u hover over ur spark charge and press alt how much dmg u dealing? just curious if u doing more than me with unstable, im at 109k rn without buffing etc.

[blazing forum]

current setup: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owRn1XkB

[simple knoll]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (68)

General:

▸ Health: 1,114, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 290, Regen: 10/s
▸ Ward Retention: 612%, Regen: 63/s
▸ Attributes: 36 Str / 25 Dex / 159 Int / 6 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 81% / 63% / 81% / 63% / 63% / 113% / 74%
▸ EHP: 2,598 / 2,309 / 2,598 / 3,599 / 2,309 / 2,598 / 2,572

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 223
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (250)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 65% (5,258)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Runic Invocation (23)
• Flame Ward (22)
• Flame Rush (22)
• Frost Claw (27)
• Elemental Nova (23)

Used unique items:

• Boneclamor Barbute
• Static Shell
• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Isadora's Tomb Binding
• Blood of the Exile
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Julra's Stardial
• Omnis
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

[blazing forum]

52k

[humble burrow]

hmm i mean ig u are rly tanky but deal less dmg wonder if its worther to go tanky for higher corrup but my problem is oro rn like i need ages to kill him at 1,2k

[blazing forum]

wondring if you really have twice my dps :>

[humble burrow]

is there any way to test it?

i would be down

[blazing forum]

me too, no good idea though

[humble burrow]

What’s ur ign we could do oro 1 by 1 maybe and see who kills him faster lol

[dry halo]

jesus i'm happy with my 40k spark charge lol

[hardy lance]

Dummy outside arena.

[twin hollow]

Just do a t4 julra kill

To test dps

Lower time = higher dps

[frail thistle]

Yea you do just happen to be playing the single most meta class and build lol

[polar quartz]

is price checking fine?

[sage dome]

Yah just look up similar items on the market. That’s what we all do.

[inland kettle]

Wow, what build is this?

It’s a lightning frost claw? Huh

[blazing forum]

my modification of what i found on other builds. still swapping a few things around, trying crest of unity (for more ele nova dmg) and prismatic gaze (higher spark charge crit rate) for example. or potion traversal reset + t7 flame rush speed.
but since i'm spamming lightning shred and shock to reduce lightning res i thought it's helpful to run frost claw as lightning as well for a bit more dmg.
still uses the cold/fire/cold defense. and defense really seems to be key. would love to fit my oracle amulet in there for more dot def, but getting 300 mana and res caps is kinda hard without the omni with mana slam. nad using the lagon blessing for mana means no lightning shred.

preheet probably had the closest build: https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/novaclaw-spark-charge-runemaster

[blazing forum]

would have worked. we went for Shade of Orobyss, since he's actually relevant for pushing and dps was pretty much the same.

[crude elm]

its almost impossible to buy after those gold dupe glitches

[frail thistle]

#👑┃item-showcase message do you guys think this looks good?

[crude elm]

all cost 800m+

[unique wadi]

CoF supremacy once again proven

[frail thistle]

lmaooo

[crisp swallow]

i cant believe the amount of cope here lmaoo

the market fixes itself if there are mechanics in place that allow it

LE market is not it

[frail thistle]

the market is already fixed, just alittle inflation innit

[crisp swallow]

xd

[unique wadi]

L mao

[frail thistle]

Haters be like!!

I mean I just swapped my main over to mg now that I finally hit r8 with a new char and completely geared him out with under 50 mil

Seems lit to me

[tiny spire]

Could anyone help me with choosing one of 3 exalts to smash with a 3 LP Unique chest?
not sure which one to smash

[frail thistle]

I feel like it’s 100% the first one no? Highest ele res roll plus doesn’t have a potential dead stat in health regen

I have no idea how useful the ward thing is tho

[tiny spire]

I don't use it, so it's a dead stat

I really need the int, the crit for minion and then some kind of resist

[frail thistle]

Oh well then they all look like pretty bad choices for slams lol

[inland kettle]

switched over to this. amazing build, thanks!

[brave moth]

is there an expiry date or deadline to redeem a sold listing? or can you leave it there forever? anyone know?

[formal hearth]

you can just levae it forever i believe

[brave moth]

thanks

[signal leaf]

ye but is not fun when you sell a old item and need to find it 😄

[steep orbit]

what happens when you find an item more valuable than 1.5bil gold? how would you sell it

hypothetically since ocearon 2lp is 1.2 bil. there’s no way anyone would want to sell a 3lp for 1.5bil right?

cause i’m looking to get a 3lp and i cbf to camp and refresh the page non stop

[fierce kayak]

you dont

either snipe it or gg

dont think theres any real trading discord yet

[steep orbit]

someone should start a tft for LE and run it like a rmt mafia

would be super funny lol

[unique wadi]

🤢

[empty talon]

I'm I going crazy or are there still a LOT of duplicate items on the bazaar? Uniques, exalteds.... you name it

Absolute exact stats.

[low prawn]

sigh Lightless arbor dude

[empty talon]

only dungeon I havent done in hundreds of hours playtime 🙈

[low prawn]

well if you would bother to look into it, youd realize arbor can drop duplicate items

and then you can use a creation rune to duplicate each of those duplicates

This is how people farmed up so many copies of +FC relics for mages

arbor dupes + creation runes

[empty talon]

Makes sense ty.
I knew about creation runes but I was wondering about multiple duplicate exalteds with forging potential or uniques with the exact same stats

[tiny spire]

Noticed this as well after checking the market today for some items

[low prawn]

Its just arbor. Youre noticing it more now because the gold explout got patched out, but the market got bought up

so instead of you seeing dupes spread out, youre seeing them all on the same page

[tiny spire]

Was specifically looking for uniques and high lp rare uniques. Also boss uniques are impossible for Arbor

[low prawn]

Do note its not impossible for multiple people to drop the same rolls on boss uniques.

Now this becomes a different story for rarer drops

[honest cave]

Ye. Like identical 1-2LP Omnis

[tiny spire]

Search for 4lp Kestrel. 2 pages of items. 4 absolutely identical ones on page 1. Another set of 3 identical ones on page 2. Not a mathematician but I'm pretty sure the chances of a random occurrence for this to happen are close to 0

[solar oracle]

krestel isnt a boss drop and can be copied in arbor

[honest cave]

You can get 6 identical on Arbor from 1 run

Can also theoretically get 9 x +4 Frostclaw relics which you then use Rune of creation on each and have 18 x +4 FC relics, which sell 1.5b each. You do the math

[signal leaf]

arbor caps out to Fast tbh, just a few milions of gold

[low prawn]

They dont actually, markets coming down.

+3s are back down big, +4s on a downtrend

[honest cave]

True

Exaggerating on internet

[low prawn]

The people that abused the exploit have pretty much dried up their gold methinks

[honest cave]

Yeah. Starting to see 2LP Twisted Hearts in AH again

And my +4 Profane + Necro res didn't sell over night for 1.5bil

It used to sell in 5 minutes few days ago

Soon we start seeing 3LP Boneclamors, 3LP Immolators etc

[tiny spire]

i sold my lp3 ashes for 1.5b it wasnt even for an hour in AH i think

[honest cave]

Told you Bastion is big bucks atm.

Next you hit 2LP Immolator with +6 spell and sell that for 1.5bil

Then you gamble Soul Gamblers Fallacy with 2LP and sell that for 1.5bil

[tiny spire]

i did a few more runs but no luck anymore xD

[tiny spire]

i got an lp1 😅

almost

[honest cave]

If it's 15/15 it sells for 100mil+

[tiny spire]

14/15

[honest cave]

Yeah... Sold multiple those ones for 100-200mil

[tiny spire]

damn

[honest cave]

Sadly I sold my 2LP for 500mil before the prices jumped to 1.5

But atm. Soulfire is the best gold/hour if you don't like the Arbor gamble (which technically ain't that big of a gamble if you know the right mods) and what to target

[tiny spire]

is there a guideline for the offers/mods?

[signal leaf]

is not like arbor is thet expensiv ea run if you have 1,5b 😄 atm my most expensiv have be like 4m

[honest cave]

Yeah. You get lucky once and it covers like 100-150 more runs

[pearl walrus]

you guys ready for arbor to cost MORE in 1.1?

🙂

[hardy lance]

Only for MG players

if (player.gold === GLOBAL_GOLD_MAX) { arbor.chest_cost = arbor.chest_cost * 2 }

[pearl walrus]

need to define that tag my guy

not base it on gold

come on now. we've talked about this

gold is acct bound

gotta include that if MG elseif COF

lol

[hardy lance]

lmao 😂

[pearl walrus]

cus we KNOW that's how they will code it

but leave factions toon bound

🙂

cause then at least w/e you get as MG you can sell, w/e you get as COF is selfuse

[hardy lance]

Well, since people playing CoF toons may have MG alts or mains, I figure account bound cost is probably better

[pearl walrus]

nah

cause you can't sell the COF items

they get tagged w/ non-tradeable or a cof tag

so

it would be faction based

[signal leaf]

i whould not rly care if they increesed the cost for Arbor, but sure if it whould cost like 100m gold to max it ye mby i whould even skip do it, but if items sell for 1b etc is kind what ever,

but just raising the price , then you whould get to a point if it is rly wort the time and cost deppending on the cost

[pearl walrus]

my main point was just to ensure if they do in fact change the price, that it is only tied to MG

because COF has a whack enough time generating gold as it is and none of the prophecies do anything for the chests.

[hardy lance]

This is very true