💰┃merchants-guild

[small jay]

MG players would rather quit than play CoF haha

[hardy lance]

Come on over to CoF

[winged seal]

I cant find 1 thing I cant get a lp3 for thats not reasonable across my builds rn

[hardy lance]

IKR 😂

[steep orbit]

i started in cof btw, im cof 10

[digital field]

Have we had any announcements from the dev team on a possible fix for this?

[hardy lance]

They already put out a fix

the bug has been patched

[digital field]

What’s the fix?

[hardy lance]

no more dupe gold

[steep orbit]

farming for boss items on cof is pure cancer

[small jay]

Yeh so, is that not enough? I feel we have opposite opinions

[digital field]

Ye and all the money floating around?

Economy is still ruined right

[hardy lance]

That's a problem for another day

[digital field]

Right

[small jay]

Its always been the journy in arpg's not the destination. Ppl have lost their way with the genre

[digital field]

So mg basically still unplayable since it’s just an auction house for whoever can spend 1.5b first

[hardy lance]

100%

[hardy lance]

I mean, if everyone has 1.5b

and everyone is just listing stuff for that and buying stuff for that

it's basically a circle j

soooo 🤷‍♂️

[digital field]

Ye idk if they can fix any of it tho lmao

[steep orbit]

i hope they banned everyone who exploited the gold hack

[digital field]

Some people are talking about a 24h reset?

Idk if that’s even possible

[hardy lance]

no

[winged seal]

They will hopefully

[hardy lance]

that won't happen

[digital field]

Ye for sure

Just hope they can re fix the economy Mann

[hardy lance]

That would impact over 50% of players that are not MG

[winged seal]

Ofc it is it would be a database rollback

[winged seal]

Not if they have a reasonable database design

[digital field]

Idk man I just want to grind again lmao

[hardy lance]

@winged seal if they're using loggable behavior from ORM at a row level, sure

but most indi game studios don't have devs that know to do that

[digital field]

If they can’t fix economy I’ll prob wait cycle 2 idk

[steep orbit]

they can’t fix it in any reasonable way without a rollback which will not happen

so it’s time for poe

i’m quite min maxed already anyway

[digital field]

I mean a rollback would be nice tho haha

[steep orbit]

hell no i hit my 3lp slam on my apathys maw

i ain’t going to be happy if they rolled it back

[hardy lance]

Nope

[winged seal]

If devs dont know that however small I would be supprised tbh I work at a fairly large msp with a fair few sql databases managed by us I cant imagine not being able to go to the relevant people and not have them roll back a specific portion of xyz system in the database

[hardy lance]

I'm not talking about just using sql logs to do a back up

and trace gold or items

ORM loggable behavior is different

it creates a separate version table that tracks changes over time to each row in the table it is tracking

[winged seal]

Just roll back specifically gold would be enough to fix this? Alright hte items have moved hands but who cares it fixes the inflation

[hardy lance]

like SQLAlchemy Continuum or Doctrine Loggable

[winged seal]

Ah ok I am far from a SQL engineer but that sounds like something standard is it not?

[hardy lance]

Depends on the level of engineer

[steep orbit]

i wonder how much money those gold sellers made because of this exploit

[winged seal]

I need a database I give it to teh relevant team and they do that for me sql is annyoing at the best of times

[hardy lance]

ORM is a design pattern that usually Sr + use

[winged seal]

Makes sense

[hardy lance]

Jr - Mid may see it, and use it, but not know the internals

[steep orbit]

literally printing money

[winged seal]

Still though just a roll back of gold stored on each toon would fix inflation i nthe economy

[hardy lance]

A gold wipe for MG players could work

but it's still gonna make some people angry

[winged seal]

I dont see why that isnt done. A few peopel complain everyone loses a days worth of gold but the economy survives and we keep levels

[hardy lance]

because some people farmed LP3 and LP4 items, and then sold them to dupers

not intentionally

[steep orbit]

it’s been going on for weeks mate, a small rollback wouldn’t fix the gold already in circulation

[hardy lance]

yeah that's also true

[winged seal]

I did as well lmao purposly when I heard I will admit but if it meant farming them again and being able to actually buy trhings not just have monopoly money I would be for it

Solce 13.6 bil of items today alone 3 - 4 lp

none of which I can collect was just funny

[hardy lance]

yeah, a gold wipe for MG might be ideal. Maybe if enough MG players ask for it

they might do it

it would be isolated to MG so CoF players wouldn't care

[winged seal]

I would prefer it running the maps to get my items back wont be to long or hard

[hardy lance]

it would only impact CoF players that have MG alts

[winged seal]

Even if both cof and mg are rolled back its better than nothing

[hardy lance]

since gold is shared

[winged seal]

I would guess it would need to be both

[hardy lance]

This won't fly though

[steep orbit]

i wish that was me 🥲

[winged seal]

majority seem to be mg so it very well could

[hardy lance]

Nope, it's 50/50

[steep orbit]

literally nothing sold

[hardy lance]

50% on MG 50% on CoF

[winged seal]

You dont I am crashing about 25% of the time I am in mg camp now

[winged seal]

Really I find that supprising

[hardy lance]

i'm CoF only

[small jay]

Woulda been cool if the currency of this game was in the form of crafting materials. And some were really rare... man that would be cool

[steep orbit]

yea same

[winged seal]

Im sp-lit 7 cof 10 mg

[hardy lance]

but doing a wipe for people that are MG only or MG alts is not hard

just some queries with some joins

[steep orbit]

aite i’ll take some off your hands then 😇

[winged seal]

lmao

[steep orbit]

purely because i’m altruistic and don’t want you to crash

[cursive ginkgo]

So are they going to let people transfer to CoF?

[small jay]

We dont want MG refugees. Close the boarders!!!!

[steep orbit]

tf..?

what borders are there in ssf?

[hardy lance]

There's nothing preventing that right now, other than people not wanting to lose their gear

[cursive ginkgo]

"not wanting to lose their gear" is a pretty big deal

MG is effectively unplayable for the rest of this cycle

unless they actually delete the gold that was created

[hardy lance]

Eh, true, but you can still gear up on CoF. It won't be as easy as just buying an LP4 though

[frail thistle]

mgs gonna be fine lol

[cursive ginkgo]

If you delete the gold, sure

[opal thistle]

I don't believe there is a fair way to remove the gold injected into the economy

But there was bound to be inflation, this just acceleated it. We'll see as the dust settles but I think most folks are in panic doomer mode

If you feel like MG is doomed, you can swap to CoF ezpz. Took me all of an evening to get most of the way to rank 9 CoF on my alt

[cursive ginkgo]

Even before the gold duping went public the inflation was getting absurd

I'm rank 10 cof and mg, it's the gear that's the problem

[opal thistle]

Same lol

[frail thistle]

this is all still assuming there actually was a gold exploit

[cursive ginkgo]

...what? it's been confirmed

[frail thistle]

yea if you just believe the devs lol

[opal thistle]

Seems like there was a gold exploit, I don't see any reason to doubt the devs on this

[frail thistle]

the one plausible theory ive seen is that the devs know how badly they screwed up the economy by having so much gold drop without adding a gold sink and theyre using this as an excuse to reset everyones gold to fix the economy

[leaden bay]

What

Dude

[cursive ginkgo]

lmao, that's a take

[opal thistle]

That's insane tinfoil and a very bad take lol

[leaden bay]

That is actually an unhinged take

[cursive ginkgo]

I'm sure you were fun between 2020-2022

[frail thistle]

im not saying its for sure but there are many possibilities, there hasnt been 100% confirmed exploit just he said she said

[opal thistle]

Given how careful the devs were to fix a unbalanced bug without first getting a vibe check from the community, and how invested they are in the game, I don't see them doing anything like that lol

[leaden bay]

No, there is in fact confirmed exploits, we've seen it lmfao

[opal thistle]

I guess like, what proof would you need to go "Oh yeah an exploit existed"

[leaden bay]

I literally watched somebody do it

Like there were multiple videos posted to Reddit

[frail thistle]

im not sure tbh, its a very difficult problem to solve in todays age with ai and chatgpt you can create anything in the world with just a sentence and a keyboard. these are problems way above my pay grade tbh

but whatever it is going on i hope it can get resolved peacefully

[leaden bay]

LMFAO

[opal thistle]

I think you're being a bit too skeptical for your own good

[cursive ginkgo]

🖐️ fake news🖐️

[split wave]

Can Rahyeh's flames melt steel beams?

[frail thistle]

eh i make sure to not let things take too much of a mental toll on myself, when things pose such difficult questions and no answers i simply allow myself to be absolved of the worries from them while still making sure to keep an open and honest mind for whatever news comes forth

[opal thistle]

In this case, I would say it would be reasonable to take the devs at thier word here no?

They haven't given you any reason to doubt them

The evidence is:

• Multiple sources saying they have seen it first hand
• The devs confirming it existed
• The devs putting out a patch to address the issue
• The market behavior over the past week or so

Saying "Yeah but Chatgpt" isn't a defense for ignoring all that evidence

[cursive ginkgo]

but my 5g chip is telling me that Mew is under the truck, my dad works at nintendo

[frail thistle]

thankfully i am not the judge nor jury nor executioner in this case, im just a curious bystander so we aren't required to pander every detail like that and make a judgement. all im saying is to keep an open mind, we really don't know what exactly is going on behind the scenes

[opal thistle]

Understood, but having an open mind doesn't mean you can't form an opinion on something

[frail thistle]

oh yea my opinion is that they did it

[opal thistle]

I concur with your hope that EHG is able to find a solution that a majority of players are satisfied with and adequately punishes players that dilebratly profited from the exploit

[split wave]

Today has truly been a wild ride lol

[frail thistle]

i have had a good time today tbh, i rune of ascended a bunch of rings, got a red ring and sold it for fat stacks

[opal thistle]

For sure, game is still fun and continuing to enjoy blasting. I'll let the dust settle on my MG characters and play my CoF characters until we have an official statement from EHG on what action they are going to take

[dry halo]

I sold my 2LP jungle today finally. Made enough gold to get bis weapon, amulet, and ring

[opal thistle]

I'm just glad I got my 2 red rings befor the price jump lol

[dry halo]

with 1.4B to spare lol

[gloomy ember]

oh wow teleported out of a monolith into a black hole..fun

[dry halo]

omg I had a 2LP blast knife. Guess that's going too

[swift oriole]

I listed a bunch of idols and this/that for 1.5b I don't suspect any will be bought.

But hey who knows?

[frail thistle]

they still gotta be good items to sell for that much lol

[swift oriole]

How good is good though?

[dry halo]

any unique that was previously worth more than 50M

[frail thistle]

good for sure

[dry halo]

farming rune to get red ring is best way farm gold

[terse blaze]

F

[fluid carbon]

Is the market still bad

[slow goblet]

hc market is even worst

i think there is no people in there

[hardy lance]

How many would you try to do?

[fluid carbon]

welp

[slow goblet]

which unique cost 50m?

[slow goblet]

😛

[dry halo]

Depends on them LPs bruh. At this point just check the market

[slow goblet]

no rank for LP 😦

im having hardtime leveling this rank

[dry halo]

I'm about to blow through 50 runes. Nothing so far

You don't want to be buying right now. Just selling

[hardy lance]

Yikes. I'm only at 40 so far, I guess I'll wait to hit 100

I'm CoF

But still looking to get that red ring

[slow goblet]

what mean red ring

corrupted?

[hardy lance]

No, red ring of atlaria

[dry halo]

look up list of unique rings. one called "red ring..."

[slow goblet]

ah

[hardy lance]

Rarest item in game

[frail thistle]

50, 100 theyre both such small chances to hit lol

its like a .2% chance iirc

[hardy lance]

True. Even at 1k runes, the Calc says 1%

But trying 100 in one shot is gonna give me some BDE

😂

[frail thistle]

i had 30 runes when i decided to give it a go earlier, hit a red ring on my 3rd one and then every one after that was just dissapointing lol

[hardy lance]

Still, that's lucky af.

[strong hemlock]

anyone heard of them doing anything about this gold dupe glitch? I can't buy anything when everything costs 1bil or more

[frail thistle]

ih insanely lucky to start yea

but it set my expectations high

[frail thistle]

the authorities are aware of the issue and are working with blizzard to apprehend the dupers

[true flume]

I just realized this...do people sell sealed ward on %missing healths to scam people that dont look?

[strong hemlock]

blizzard? lol

[true flume]

because you cant slam a sealed into an LP right?

[frail thistle]

i dont think thats the intention lol, you can still just use them as regular gloves

[split wave]

Probably just selling their (failed) crafts

[leaden wharf]

It is a holyday for them, so i doubt lol. They just had a guy who coould do a quick hot fix, this is why there is no word on disc/reddit/steam

We will just have to wait, maybe they will revert the AH and all trades, but idk when they will be back

[grand robin]

anyone randomly remember the price of a 3LP peak of the mountain before the exploit went public?

[hardy lance]

Still an insane ammount of money

[grand robin]

theyre like 200m right now. whats an insane amount of money to you @hardy lance

[hardy lance]

I mean, 200m is an insane amount

[grand robin]

i agree

[hardy lance]

I think that if there had not been any RMT or duping from the get go, we would have never seen items in the hundreds of millions

and most would have capped off in the 10s of millions for LP4s

but i'm a humble CoF player

🤷‍♂️

[rocky arrow]

i sold one 20m like 5 days ago

[tiny spire]

duping continues

1b gold is around 3$ atm

judd swallows his ass while saying fixed on reddit forums

[hardy lance]

Yeah, people already had 100s of millions a few days after cycle started

that's how items inflated so quickly, and this is now the end game

that kind of gold doesn't occur naturally

[grand robin]

Thank you @rocky arrow

[hardy lance]

even grinding 1k corruption, you don't get that kind of gold

[rocky arrow]

similar things on the AH was like 20~30m so i think its fair price back then

[grand robin]

Yeah i always felt like the amount of money in the economy was way higher than it should be. cause i really cant think of any way to make a decent hourly consistant coin

[rocky arrow]

is EHG responding to the gold hacks?

[grand robin]

just said they hotfixed it

probably hear more after the weekend]

[tiny spire]

hot-fixed, not fixed it

[rocky arrow]

i mean i can still play my alts fine with couple million twink items but the mid-high end market is screwed

[tiny spire]

it still works

[grand robin]

really?

items prices are dropping on MG from what i can tell

[zenith cloak]

Yes prices are dropping slowly. But that’s cause nothing is selling at the insane prices. So they will be lowered as they don’t sell. But from what I understand the gold thing is gone. Also the item stuff is fixed too. But correct me if I am wrong.

[tiny spire]

I just want EHG to ban not only sellers, but buyers.

it is easy to detect all transactions from the database.

people are opening rare for 2.5b

just saying

who cares about your hot fix

diablo 4 is like that too, all people chat, in the end, nobody gets banned

come on dude ban the buyers

you will get 35$ extra from each

[zenith cloak]

Your rage is noted.

[grand robin]

I think they know how big of a deal this is. and that explains why on a holiday weekend they havent rushed out a statement, i dont think they know what to do. obvious ban expoilters and RMTs but i dont think its really is that easy. I mean do you really have any experience with atha kind of data @tiny spire , id imagine its not easy to read and there is an absolute truck ton of data theyd have to go through

[zenith cloak]

It’s also a small company, they will most likely ban a few accounts but they never find them all. It’s all the same.

[tiny spire]

I read on chinese forums, people already copied the gold over 1k accounts

even if they fixed it, it will be enough to inflate the whole market until the next cycle

[granite moss]

i just did a test i sold a 3lp maehlins grasp for 1.5bill

i did not think it was going to sell.

[wispy sinew]

yep and the guy who found the method contacted EHG about 30 days ago when he found it, their response was to report the bug from the esc menu in game. he reported in game and posted on multiple forums about it. he was ignored so he released the method to the major sellers

[grand robin]

If you don't mind me asking out of curiosity, can you share a link to any of that, I'd be interested in reading it. @wispy sinew

[wispy sinew]

not gonna share links that could lead to RMT sites, but you can pretty easily find it on the bilibili website or search around the forums

[grand robin]

Links to the forum post lead to RMT sites?

[vital quest]

never mind most of us casual skill scrubs playing in 200-350 corruption. I think I have (CoF) like 8 million gold

[wispy sinew]

no you could probably find the forum post, ive only seen the info on chinese selling bilibili channels

[hardy lance]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/ANcjxR654wsAAAAC/tealc-indeed.gif

[vital quest]

if this is true, BIG YIKES

[hardy lance]

The post the guy made didn't say that -- supposedly it said someone posing as EHG support talked to him

he disclosed the bug via video, and that's how it got leaked

who knows how true that is though

[grand robin]

I can't find the forum post @wispy sinew can you please send it. Or maybe you know the username I can search?

[hardy lance]

https://imgur.com/M6c41Nr

This was what someone had posted earlier

[wispy sinew]

yep thats it

[hardy lance]

of the guy talking about reporting it

[wispy sinew]

even if the guy he was talking to didnt work at EHG, he says he still reported it through official channels before he released it

[hardy lance]

He says that he was suspicious of the guy he was talking to, that he thought he was talking to EHG support, At least, that's how it reads to me

no?

[wispy sinew]

dm'd you

[true flume]

how much would a 34% hp and +11 vitality exangeous go for on MG?

[nimble basalt]

What amaze me is that there is a tons of people who expoited the bug and... well... all the blame is on EHG. Like, how about don't exploit the bug and don't be a cheater? LFMAO

[wispy sinew]

yes exactly, he wasnt sure so he was hesitant to show him the method. thats why he said he then went to official forums and made bug reports.

[wispy sinew]

braindead take. its the internet, people will always exploit bugs to make a profit. it's up to the devs to prevent it.

[nimble basalt]

Not so braindead. Because now the market is shot. Good job, you kill it for yourself.

[wispy sinew]

[nimble basalt]

I understand that the whole concept of "playing fair" is hard to understand.

[wispy sinew]

Must be a language barrier sorry. I wasn't saying I exploit bugs. I'm saying other people around the world do.

[nimble basalt]

Yes, misunderstanding, lol. What i was trying to say is, the people that exploited, basically kill the market. And now the market is bad for them also. They shot in their foot, by doing this, for a couple of gear pieces

[wispy sinew]

yeah, judging from the end of that post though it sounds like they did it to just make a real life profit and could care less about the economy of the game

[hardy lance]

I don't think the people that bought out the market were the rmt sellers. That would kill their golden goose.

I think once the exploit became public, normal players used it, and then wiped the market in a greedy frenzy

This creating the mess the MG has now, killing the market for all

[nimble basalt]

Yes, this was my point. Now, most people will switch to CoF, and MG will be a desert

[dense flame]

Lots of people like me will be back when mg is back in order tho, most likely with a new cycle as well

[unique wadi]

Or they will just abandon the game?

Since if you switch to cof you lose acces to your MG items

[nimble basalt]

If they cheated, is a gain for the health of the game. Not a big loss 🤣

[unique wadi]

Let's see how a gain of health is for the game when legit people will abandon the game

And don't want to regrind the items in cof

[nimble basalt]

This is bad. Because legit players got punished

[unique wadi]

Everyone that didn't cheat got hit

Everyone using MG that is

[empty quarry]

yup, if u had anything valuable listed, most likely it was sold and you got some of dirty money

[nimble basalt]

True. For my side, if i was an Mg player i will leave the game till next cycle

[unique wadi]

And this is what is going to happen if devs can't fix the MG

And I really don't see how you can do that

[nimble basalt]

Fix is difficult, how to? Rollback? Really i cannot figure out

[unique wadi]

Exactly

It's IMHO impossible to fix without angering the whole MG player base

[eternal cobalt]

But angering the whole cof player base

[unique wadi]

Ls after Ls

Did they announce when the new Cycle will be?

Yep

[cursive pine]

Market isn't too bad - bought 1lp items for 10m and t7s to smash into them for 500k. And since I'm near gold cap this is fun to try builds. This whole situation isn't ideal, I was saving for weeks to buy a 3lp Jungle Queen for instance. But now i can run near infinite Arbors and try all the build idea's I have.

[leaden wharf]

Just rollback all ah transactions, this is the only way

[fierce kayak]

not too bad indeed, selling t6 frost claws for 300m a pop

[leaden wharf]

And ban dupper and the persons they send gold to

[unique wadi]

Can they even do this?

Because i don't think they can unless they rollback all progress

And rollbacking all progress is going to anger the whole playerbase

[quaint solar]

Solution? Play another game and wait until they'll find a solution, if they are capable. I don't waste my time to want a thing that is on other hands

im playing D4 rn until my son wake up!

[leaden wharf]

Most likely, but i hope they care lol

The issues was know for so long and they did nothing to fix it

[limpid dune]

I came here to complain about the situation with MG

[timid heron]

maybe they could delete all MG items from the players, disable MG and convert everyone to COF

[limpid dune]

This sort of reminds me of the RMAH during D3 launch, what a shambolic mess that was

[unique wadi]

Uf

I remember that

[urban thicket]

well i made out like a bandit from the RMAH in d3... i wont complain lol

[hardy lance]

#👑┃item-showcase message

Come on over to CoF, water is warm

[frozen rune]

I'd like to see your definition of "bad market" if you think Red rings going from less than 40m to over 400m overnight isn't a bad market

[icy rain]

how does a normal player farm up 400 million is a question one should begin with. yes I know you can get it via trade but this is only because money has been injected int othe system

[frozen rune]

You needed a json file to take advantage of the exploit, no "normal player" is going to write one without even knowing how it operates

I've read it was just a matter of competition wanting to lower their prices which made the other RMT team leak the method

[radiant sandal]

already did

[fringe gyro]

MG will die, if the don't make crafting uniques like in D4.
The market is full of Trash LP-0/1/2 ,that nobody needs it, when you get to higher corruption, you will need LP-3/4 but it's very low drop rate to get it.
How many players stay in game, there was 200k at start and 50k now.
MG now it's like pay2play

[leaden bay]

Dude the biggest ARPG on market just started a new season and the honeymoon period for LE is over. Player count is gonna drop. That's normal.

[humble burrow]

Or maybe when u craft u spend gold not forge pot that way we have a gold burner too

[sturdy basin]

i mean theres a lot more wrong with this game than bad AH prices

[distant field]

Except Necropolis is flopping.

[leaden bay]

About as much as every league does for the first week, yeah.

[distant field]

But this exploit should be fixed yesterday

[leaden bay]

Every league, it's like clockwork. Mechanic comes out undercooked and awful, gets patched and reiterated for week 1 and 2, people rave for a couple weeks and then disappear, fast forward to next league and we hear about how much this league is flopping, rinse and repeat

[distant field]

That’s 100% true but as a hardcore ssf (yes it sounds cringe I know) player being forced to engage with league mechanic from the get go makes it really really unenjoyable to play.

And the graveyard itself needs a lot of cooking

Personally, I’m back to LE already though upset for MG players.

Hopefully EHG will take action fast

[errant geyser]

lots will come back from that other arpg yup, Kripp already quit, Carn went to play dragon's dogma instead, ....

[leaden bay]

I can sympathize. I get it. They did not think that through, imo.

[frosty pecan]

lol 10x times increase

[livid dawn]

Hey everyone, been in MG since launch and haven't played the last few days, if I get it right there's been some kind of exploit allowing people to amass tons of gold raising market prices out of reach of mere mortals like me, correct ?

[tiny spire]

You can make big money by selling good items but the issue is that you won't be able to do anything with it because the market is swept. Basically, your money is worthless.

[hallow orchid]

mg is dead i joined already fortune

[livid dawn]

Would do the same but basically all my stuff was bought in market 😬

[hallow orchid]

made 160h to market lvl 7 and 170mil

and stuffs go 10x harder to buy on days

i cant even buy 1 lp item when i get market lvl 8

[rare sun]

Thats why i started in cof first then I swapped to mg

Now i have cof build and can go Back and forth

[livid dawn]

Understandable, I wanted to do it the other way round cuz when I started 0 lp Uniques were literally worth 0 gold so I could get full stuff and start emp monoliths right away

[stable vessel]

is there any cheat going on? i just got back and market become a mess after 2 days. tf just happen

[hallow orchid]

hackers attacket market

[rare sun]

They still are

[hallow orchid]

devs get zero fck about that

no news in discord about fixes

[rare sun]

Well now you’re just assuming

[stable vessel]

i see a small patch earlier when i logged in. but they ddnt say anythng wht it was. mybe its the fix

[livid dawn]

Imo it's as much not caring as not having either an immediate fix or an immediate solution to solve the aftermath

[hallow orchid]

first thing they needed to is close market for time they fix it

[ionic forum]

It was patched: https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-hotfix-1-0-5-1/70214 and https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1brs5zs/comment/kxb0rjg/

[unique wadi]

Exploit got fixed, but the market is still f.....

[rare sun]

Please enlighten us on how to fix this problem

[hallow orchid]

i can enlight how they fixed problem to late

[tiny spire]

That's good but the damage has already been done. Gold flooded the economy and non-exploiting people are totally screwed

[ionic forum]

I know but they were even saying it wasn't patched

[stable vessel]

i was actually saving gold for my build its like 40m.. was excited to buy 2lp blood exile. then i saw market 1.5b each

[rare sun]

It just sucks to play the game right now if you are mg

We can always go cof still

[unique wadi]

And lose all progression

[rare sun]

That sucks, the feeling is of emptiness right?

[stable vessel]

they fix the problem but i think ppl save tons of gold before that

[ionic forum]

going cof means losing tons of mg favor :/

[half lark]

guys chill that's an easy fix from devs, just fix the exploit then reset the MG economy

[valid cobalt]

a 2LP rare unique istn gonna magically drop even if u go to cof

[hallow orchid]

lost 160h progress and only fix for that is "we fixed exploit" fck that bs

[rare sun]

Reset how?

[ionic forum]

chances are pretty good if you target

[half lark]

remove every item on the market and just rebalance the cycle or legacy market, whichever one was impacted

[rare sun]

It actually does

[valid cobalt]

drop me a 2LP heart

[livid dawn]

Won't be easy to do, only way to do it would be to end the season soon

[rare sun]

That one you cant target farm with cof

[valid cobalt]

the common stuff drops easily

its usually the rare ones / boss drops that are the tough ones

[half lark]

you just do it mid season, boo hoo

[unique wadi]

So delete the items people legitimately farmed for?

[rare sun]

Rebalance? Take the items from the market? And then what?

[hallow orchid]

need take items from who hacked items

[half lark]

players will keep their items

[rare sun]

What about all the gold that is spread?

[half lark]

yes reset the entire market once the exploit is fixed

[valid cobalt]

welp, with how f-ed everything is imma just come back next cycle

[hallow orchid]

they can track 100% that gold if they want

[unique wadi]

Exploit is fixed

[hallow orchid]

exploit fixed market not

[ionic forum]

they should just put the exploit fix under news, really

[unique wadi]

What about people that farmed items and just sold them for billions?Delete the item and the gold?

[stable vessel]

maybe the good thing about the bazaar is u cant resell the item if u bought it

[rare sun]

The exploit is fixed but they cant wipe all the gold in mg and give items back to people

I sold my 4lp peak of the mountain for 1,5b

[drowsy bear]

Take the L and either come back next cycle or try out CoF

[ionic forum]

I think making a gold cap of 100M will solve that

[rare sun]

So now i should lose all my money and not get my item back?

[unique wadi]

This

[unique wadi]

Ignorant take

[stable vessel]

rollback will just make a bigger problem. probably theyll just wait it out.

[sharp fern]

lol wtf red ring went from 40 mil up to 200mil cheapest xdxdxd

[valid cobalt]

if u give it some time the market will slowly lower in price

[drowsy bear]

Ok clown

[unique wadi]

Dunno but the problem are the items rn

[valid cobalt]

but by the time, next cycle already starts

[zinc hemlock]

Simply just make MG not use gold and have a standard rep cost (standard cost to sell/buy) (no incentive to rmt)?

[rare sun]

Cant do that due to system limitations

[ionic forum]

gold cap should have been 100M in the first place, it's more in line with what is reasonable and actual in-game drop rate

[unique wadi]

Duped gold can be deleted but what about the legit items sold ?Should a person that played legit and got a good drop which sold for 1b get its gold deleted and be stripped of his item?

[ionic forum]

cannot remove items, but a gold cap will strip most of the fake gold

[unique wadi]

That's going to be alot of work but at this point,what's not going to be alot of work

[rare sun]

Nobody here is a genius and nobody here is going to come up with a perfect solution to this problem

[valid cobalt]

^

[ionic forum]

a gold cap is just a config... not a lot of work. Dunno what u mean by 'system limitations'

[rare sun]

It’s a problem with a VIDEOGAME

[unique wadi]

The devs would have to adjust all the gold gain and all the mechanics related to gold

[rare sun]

Not real life so you can always go outside and get some sun in your skin

[winged seal]

Not its a 32 bit int its a system limitation until that part of the system is expan ded on

[unique wadi]

From spending to acquiring

[ionic forum]

no, not at all; simply if you have more than 100M gold, it will reset your gold to 100M

[valid cobalt]

tahts dumb af

[zinc hemlock]

Or they could simply remove gold as a currency from Mg and make it take purely rep, and not have a user definable cost but rather a standard cost of rep

[honest cave]

100M gold can be farmed in 10 hours doing corruption 3k

[winged seal]

Lol what I had more than that when it all went wrong

[leaden wharf]

did the devs said anything yet or we still have a messed up ah?

[honest cave]

Setting a gold cap of 100M they would need to nerf so many builds

[unique wadi]

Messed up ah

[winged seal]

@ionic forum I assume you have less than 50 hours in game and havnt been farming high corruption?

[leaden wharf]

i see... thank you

[rare sun]

Rep cost? So how would you profit? What do you get in return from selling the item?

[zinc hemlock]

Rep

[ionic forum]

did u farm that, or you sold items paid for by the fake gold?

[rare sun]

I can probably get way more favor then you in an hour then you can in 7 hours

[winged seal]

I farmed over 150m. I have 13.6 bil + max cash across sold items and char gold now though

[unique wadi]

Who determines the value of items in Rep?

[zinc hemlock]

Devs- basically standard table, and any 1 lp unique is x, 2 lp is y etc

[ionic forum]

ok didn't know you could farm that much sorry... then any sort of cap is useless for less than 1% of players who are doing over 2k corruption

[winged seal]

I farmed 150 mil at around 500 - 1000 corruption its just time nothing more

[opal thistle]

Removing gold from MG is a non starter, at least mid cycle. Their entire vision / UI / system back end revolves around gold. No chance they go rep only

[winged seal]

If I was cof I imagine its more

[rare sun]

A market set by the devs and not the people is just not a market… the people are the market

[zinc hemlock]

Depends on what the goal of the market is I suppose, is it to enable a rmt minigame or a way to require gear needed for a loadout

Its only a problem in one of the scenarios

[unique wadi]

Rmt will always be involved in any game where gold items can be sold

[opal thistle]

RMTers would just switch to selling rep of they removed gold

[unique wadi]

The problem is that the exploit vaporised the market

[zinc hemlock]

Except if they remove the gold setup to something that cannot be traded?

[opal thistle]

A system that based prices on LP and not supply / demand would be awful as well

[zinc hemlock]

Its not impossible to make it non trivial - dont think a lot of people will rmt if the transaction requires them to spend 20h to do something but 🤷‍♂️ guess you always get people that will somehow feel they want to

[opal thistle]

How would swapping to a rep only market make it require 20hr?

[winged seal]

20 hours to trade what?

[opal thistle]

Didn't you say that you could sell items for rep

Of you could get rep for selling items, the players could just buy rep from RMTers

[zinc hemlock]

Sorry was replying to the “people would just rmt rep”

[winged seal]

Rep is the limit factor its meant ot limit people from just walking in and buying it encourages people to push

Rep just needs to be higher. Then if it took 5 hours to buy one lp 3 or 4 people wouldnt be buying out the whole lot

[zinc hemlock]

Yes, but doesnt need a second currency

[zinc hemlock]

Exactly

[winged seal]

Yea it does it limits rmt as someone in that pposition is unlikley to have 10 to buy the best of the best limiting rmters from actually spending gold

Its a smart system

The exploit was the issue not rmt thats already sorted

Gold should be rolled back for everyone by a week and while it would f some people me included it would fix the economy

[ionic forum]

anyone remember what blizz did in d4 season 1? there was exploit, accounts were banned, and the market recovered (also they suspended trading the moment the exploit was discovered)

[unique wadi]

It would but what about the items already sold?

[zinc hemlock]

I dont know, looking at my own (meager) playtime thats only around 195odd hours, I have waaaay more rep than needed to buy 4lp in every slot and then some; the only limit of that not happening is I refuse to rmt as its simply not fun

[winged seal]

People would have to suck that up as I say me included

[unique wadi]

They suspended trading every season lol

[zinc hemlock]

So rmt definitely not “sorted”

[winged seal]

I sold all my 3lp and 4 lp items and have 13.6 bil sat waiting and max gold on my acc now

[unique wadi]

Dunno if casuals would suck it up

[winged seal]

I would be happy for a revert

[winged seal]

Casuals by defination dont play long

[unique wadi]

Yeah but they make the bulk of the game

[winged seal]

Dont cater to an audience that while majority will leave and be replaced shortly after

[unique wadi]

Me and you who might play 16h everyday can suck it up but they won't

[winged seal]

Yes but they leave and a new casual takes their place unaffected by a gold change

[formal hearth]

tracking the gold does nothing what are they going to do take it from people who had their items bought? the only fix is a roll back but at this stage a rollback isn't possible

[rare sun]

Gold rolled back? Agree, what about the items that ive sold??

[ionic forum]

what sort of revert?

[unique wadi]

Unless the game goes 40% on steam because of their items disappearing

[hallow orchid]

yep item roll back and money delete from hackermans

[winged seal]

Same position as me but I say suck it up. I sold all my 3 and 4 lp items to make 13.6 bil to make the most of it screw it roll back the gold I got greedy

[formal hearth]

what's not how a roll back works

[hallow orchid]

yea they use little of they fingers to start fixing it

manuali

[unique wadi]

Unless they rollback everything then they can't rollback items

[winged seal]

what does need to happen is communiction from the devs though

[hallow orchid]

people used that bug weeks before they started thinking about fixing it

[opal thistle]

Even entertaining the idea that EHG is going to take gold / items away from players who didn't exploit is a terrible take lol

[winged seal]

That hasnt been confirmed at all yet based on the video release and the time prices hiked it was about 2 - 3 days ago

[rare sun]

So imagine this.. you just spend all your gold on items for others builds and then what? You have no gold that they can take away from you

[winged seal]

There may be other bugs not found though

[hallow orchid]

i started playing like 3 weeks ago

[winged seal]

Lucky you

Economy is still fixed

[hallow orchid]

and then people already told there is to many unfixed dublicate glithes on market

[rare sun]

It does not work, they would have to roll back the entire patch and that is not doable

[ionic forum]

what about a deep dive into logs... remove all the gold that came from nowhere... is that even possible from a dev pov?

[hallow orchid]

dev not want that hard work

[winged seal]

those duped items are from abor which no one seems to get lmao

[unique wadi]

Yeah

[zinc hemlock]

Nah, dupe has been around for ages. Could see that from the beginning when people were selling billions of gold for rmt literally a day after launch

[winged seal]

They are from the chest drops 2x or 3 x of item its why abor is the main dungeon to run

[formal hearth]

i mean theres nothing to communicate bad thing happened there isn't a good solution there likely gonna go the d4 route of just chalking the season because grand scheme it's one seasons econ it kind of doesn't really matter big picture and the bar pr from the massive rollback that would be required to fix this isn't something that's even remotely worth it

[hallow orchid]

you are already bought the game they have theyr money 😄

[winged seal]

Afain bit of a lie seeing as looking at rmt websites on way back machine shows bil gold a week ago was still 80 usd to 50 usd

some sites in the hundreds for it

[ionic forum]

this won't be permanently fixed until they make a server check for large changes in money not from trade

[unique wadi]

Gold exploit existed for a long time but only a few rmters knew about it

[zinc hemlock]

Yes but it existed - i didnt stipulate a cost just that it existed

[unique wadi]

It exists

[rare sun]

That doesnt mean the exploit was not being used already.. wtf logic

[ionic forum]

since when has that existed?

[unique wadi]

Always

All games can check for that

[hallow orchid]

game first season ruined for a lot people who not get theyr gear already lol xD

[unique wadi]

And for each individual item dropped

[opal thistle]

Agreed 100%. Best thing for them to do is attempt to ID anyone who participated in the exploit and ban them, and then let the rest sort itself out. No shot it's worth dev time to find a way to do a rollback / economy rehaul.

[ionic forum]

then how is it possible to have an exploit if there are server checks?

[opal thistle]

As it turns out, computer programming is complex and bad actors are smart

[unique wadi]

Don't ask me.Game company are capable to see every gold and item dropped and knows at all times what everyone has

[hallow orchid]

they needed to make rollback yesterday

now its all totaly to late

[unique wadi]

Wow is a prime example where blizzard literally know when you even pick 1 copper off of a corpse

[ionic forum]

yeah WoW has a server check; don't think this game does, or it doesn't work very well

[tight parrot]

yea only rollback could fix it, at this point everyone participated in the exploit just by selling items on the market.

[unique wadi]

It does,no way its not build with a server check.The thing is if the server alerts are set up properly

[rare sun]

This

[formal hearth]

which is very easy to do

[rare sun]

So we are all accountable for

[opal thistle]

Believing there will be a rollback of accounts (outside of any accounts which directly exploited) is actually copium of the highest grade

[unique wadi]

What about the market?

[frosty verge]

Yeah, i find it highly unlikely even if I'd like to just see a new cycle

[opal thistle]

What about it? Over time with additional supply being injected prices will stabilize back down. Folks who feel like MG is dead can switch to CoF, folks who want to stay MG can stay.

[empty talon]

Remove rank requirements and let me wear all items, make prophecies drop boss uniques also and I'll be grinding and having fun for a lot more weeks.
This seems unfixable without a massive rollback so might as well have some more fun

[frosty verge]

If you wanna play in a screwed economy thats fine, or you can transfer over your chatacter to cycle 1.1 where you can like only bring 1 item for each slot (non tradable) and the gold is left behind

[unique wadi]

What about new players ?

They will never be able to interact with the market

[hallow orchid]

we need mg points to transfer fortune

[unique wadi]

Also people will literally wait for prices to go down and then buy all the supply of items and resell them at higher prices

[ionic forum]

yeah let us move to Cof without loss of favor

[unique wadi]

And items

[opal thistle]

Wtf do you mean never interact lol. Even in the midst of all this nonsense I was able to get an alt geared into a meta build with LP 1/2 and decent exaults for like 3m, which is totally accessible

[frosty verge]

Yeah, everyone who didn't partake in the gold rush is screwed for the forseeable future.

Without any proper gold sink there's no drainage of gold, so any reduction will be slow

[flint pilot]

can't resell but yeah you do you 👌

[unique wadi]

"Alt"

[unique wadi]

Exactly

[hallow orchid]

all merchant guild system is ruined now 😄

[opal thistle]

Then go CoF

[hallow orchid]

vote for remove guild

[unique wadi]

What about my items bought from the market?

[flint pilot]

CoF for life! ❤️

[unique wadi]

Or the influence

[rare sun]

Cant resell

[unique wadi]

Yeah mb

[opal thistle]

I have CoF rank 10 and MG rank 10. It's easier to swap between them than you think

[unique wadi]

What about my items?

[tight parrot]

all my items have mg tag, its not that easy unless you play on 200corruption with shitter builds.

[opal thistle]

I can see you didn't play MG all that much if you pulled this take out lol

[rare sun]

That makes no sense

[unique wadi]

Yeah I'm a cof player lol

[rare sun]

Same

[rare sun]

Play smart not harder

[opal thistle]

what about my items

I don't understand why you're complaining about hypothetical MG items that don't exist if you're CoF lol

[rare sun]

Crazy people talking crazy is the normal

[opal thistle]

Either way, I think folks are going full panic over nothing. Game is still very playable and very fun, let's wait for the work week and an official EHG take and see how the dust settles

[unique wadi]

Because items bought from MG can't be used in cof so people switching would have to farm from the beginning

[empty talon]

Just remove the ranks on items till next cycle and add a boss unique prophecy. Problem solved, fun will be had.

[opal thistle]

As someone who is rank 10 in both, I'm telling you first hand it's easier to swap than you think

[unique wadi]

Yes because you are already rank 10

People swapping will start at the beginning with next to no items

[opal thistle]

Turns out, you don't start at rank 10 in both

[rare sun]

Play smart not harder

[opal thistle]

Blatantly untrue

[rare sun]

Should have thought about that before you decided to go all out on only on faction

[unique wadi]

What items do they start with?

[tight parrot]

as someone who is rank 10 in both and not playing on no corruption monoliths pre level 100, im telling you its not that easy to swap.

[unique wadi]

Yeah should have thought that an exploit is going to destroy the market

Ignorant take

[opal thistle]

My guy you're CoF

[finite yew]

What a stupid take LOL

[unique wadi]

Yes and majority of the people are MG

[rare sun]

Not ignorant, there is 2 factions in a game where you are clearly passionate about or else you would be here discussing this subject.. why wouldn’t you max ou in the other faction aswell? Seems like a smart thing to do and not an ignorant take on it

[unique wadi]

Ignorant take lol

[tiny spire]

it’s funny, a good majority complaining about broken MG are CoF players, I’ve noticed

[rare sun]

If you’re cof why do you even care??

[opal thistle]

As an MG player, only gear you directly buy/sell is MG tagged. So anything that drops you can wear in CoF.

I have swapped multiple toons from MG to CoF (and visa versa) you take a small initial power hit having to refarm tagged items, but it takes maybe 2 hours of you're smart about it and then you can swap with no issue

[tight parrot]

boy go play your 200corruption monoliths

[rare sun]

True done that myself many times

[rare sun]

More like 1300

[unique wadi]

So it will take about 2 hours to refarm 2 3 lp ?

[opal thistle]

You don't need 2-3 lp to make a build work, most work just fine with 1lp across the board with 1 or 2 2lp

[unique wadi]

Sorry for carrying about the majority of players that got hit by the exploits.I should be ignorant like you

[opal thistle]

Hey let's tone down the personal attacks please

[unique wadi]

And the exact items that I need will drop in 2h?

[tight parrot]

nothing will drop in 2h just useless bs to fill your stash

[radiant sandal]

@indigo grail @urban panther

[rare sun]

Someone got heated up 🤣 its only a game why you mad?

[unique wadi]

Not heated up at all

[opal thistle]

Depends on how efficient you're able to farm

[urban panther]

Guys keep it civil please

[finite yew]

You can not say that it does not feel bad to have to either a): go out and farm uniques that make your build work, but without ranks on it so you can switch over or b): use random items with no ranks to switch over right away. either way you char will be a lot less strong or youll end up "wasting" time gaining no favor for the faction you'd swap to

[rare sun]

This

[unique wadi]

This

[opal thistle]

For sure, switching feels a bit bad at first, but it's an option for people who think MG is "unplayable"

Which, IMO it's very not lol

[finite yew]

It's not unplayable, but like for me I'm playing a CoC Frostclaw, I've got the unique dagger from MG, it's what makes the build work, so either I gotta target farm it, which is hard without CoF or I gotta use something else and switch

[opal thistle]

You can't have it both ways:

if you think MG is unplayable then it's worth the hit to swap to CoF.

If you think MG is playable, then don't and play it

There is a solution to your problem in either case

[unique wadi]

[finite yew]

I think it's worth to switch, but getting the point where you CAN switch is what is the problem for a lot of people I imagine

[unique wadi]

Yep

[opal thistle]

I could see them doing a thing where they have a CoF catch-up for folks who want to swap to assist

[tiny spire]

is there an issue taking the hit and having to do lower content for a while? The only thing really lost is time

it’s a game after all, not a career

[opal thistle]

Which dagger out of curiosity?

[rare sun]

Pun intended?

[finite yew]

A game is supposed to be fun tho, it's not that fun to handicap yourself, sometimes to the point where your build doesnt even work anymore

[rare sun]

This

[unique wadi]

[opal thistle]

I would say keep playing in MG and having fun then, problem solved 😃

[finite yew]

Oh come on haha, you do not have to make it that simple, it's a complex issue and a issue I personally do not have the answer to, but that doesnt mean I cant be frustated or affected by it

[tiny spire]

sure, there’s always the option to just start a new character on the other faction too. Does one only find fun in playing OP curated builds (that may have been ripped from the internet/discord)?

[opal thistle]

I agree with you here, it's a complex situation and your feelings of frustration are valid. Some bad actors made a decision which negativity impacts the community no doubt.

But take a step back and a deep breath, EHG is smart and will find a decent way outta this. The game is still super fun and playable, and if you feel like MG is gonzo you have a path forward if you want. If you think MG will recover you have the option to wait it out too

[fleet kestrel]

There's nothing wrong with "ripping" a build. And the appeal of the genre is progression. Losing progression feels bad.

[burnt scaffold]

can anyone give me the tldr of what happened and is there an official statement from ehg?

[opal thistle]

No statement yet

[opal thistle]

The quick tl;dr is that a player found an exploit to basically get infinite gold. This expoit was then used to buy a ton of items from the market, injecting billions (if not trillions) of gold into the in game economy.

Now many "key" items (T7 affixes, LP 2-3 of good uniques, LP 0 of very rare uniques) are greatly inflated in price

Some players inadvertently got inane amount of gold (1.5 billion is cap) due to them being lucky and getting a high value item during this time

[blazing forum]

or just bought up

[burnt scaffold]

is duping of gold still going on?

[blazing forum]

no

[opal thistle]

There is a lot of discussion about what, if anything, should EHG do to address the issues created from these series of events

[burnt scaffold]

or was this fixed

[opal thistle]

AFAIK it has been patched

[burnt scaffold]

icic

[opal thistle]

There are some folks claiming that dup still exists, I have yet to see any solid evidence to support it

[blazing forum]

to be fair: who knows how many gold bugs there were. i'm pretty sure one has been fixed (although even there, not too surprised if they found another workaround)

but (some) prices already stabilized, so not as bad as yesterday at least

[cursive ginkgo]

MG is effectively unplayable this cycle unless you were one of the lucky ones or did the exploit yourself

[tiny spire]

This

[modern pivot]

MG effectively unplayable its been 1 day pack it in gang

[opal thistle]

Right?

We must have differing definitions of unplayable

Because I'm checks notes playing right now as MG

[tiny spire]

The cheating has been going on for weeks though. There is no way we had these price jumps from normal market developments

[modern pivot]

No wait don't it's unplayable

[tiny spire]

It was just recently published on the forums

[cursive ginkgo]

People were doing it the whole time

[opal thistle]

Bwahahaha you can't stop me. In fact I think I'm going to... play it all day on my day off!!!

[modern pivot]

Games been unplayable for weeks apparently but I didn't get the memo

[cursive ginkgo]

Say what you will, but any upgrade for my character went from somewhat obtainable around 80m to 1bil+

[opal thistle]

IMO, the prices will stabilize

We'll see

In fact, lets do a price check rn

[cursive ginkgo]

Had been trying for a while to successfully slam a Twisted Heart and the attempts before were like 2mil a pop, now it's hundreds

[modern pivot]

Too bad there isn't any other way to progress in the game aside from paying gold for stuff

[cursive ginkgo]

You're suggesting swapping to CoF, which proves my point

[gloomy lance]

There is a merchant that sells items for favor

No gold needed

[cursive ginkgo]

Lol

[opal thistle]

So red ring was at ~80m before the exploits

[modern pivot]

I'm implying maybe just play the game

You're inferring what you want

[opal thistle]

Yesterday it was at ~800m

Today it's down to ~170m

[modern pivot]

No sorry markets don't stabilize after periods of instability

Never happens

[zinc hemlock]

You probably mean before this exploit 😉

[opal thistle]

I was elected to lead, not to read!

[honest cave]

I bought 2 red rings yesterday. Roughly 22 hours ago. They were 49mil and 50mil

[zinc hemlock]

😂

[gloomy lance]

In hc is for 10 m

[opal thistle]

Yo very nice!

[cursive ginkgo]

They need to delete all the gold and permaban anyone who did it

[livid aspen]

so were the devs using unsecured json for mg server communication or something?

[gloomy lance]

I found nearly a perfect red ring and is not being sold

[opal thistle]

Permaban yes, but I don't see any fair way they can un-inject the gold from the MG economy

[oak elk]

DeleteAllGoldButton

[cursive ginkgo]

Delete the duplicated currency

[modern pivot]

There was no underflow check for what happens when you trade a negative gold value

[limpid aurora]

thats a pretty amusing oversight

[opal thistle]

This would:

• Be punishing players who didn't exploit
• Be tricky to track if it changed hands a ton of times
• Go against everything that EHG has been doing up until this point

[cursive ginkgo]

Lots of those in mg

[gloomy lance]

Is there a reason why most items are being sold at 0 gold

[oak elk]

Trash stuff

[livid aspen]

why would their server accept unsigned messages in the first place?

[opal thistle]

An early missunderstanding by the community

[livid aspen]

mega L, nothing more to say

[cursive ginkgo]

People don't understand how the favor system works

[gloomy lance]

Man they destroyed the market this low prices shouldnt be allowed

[opal thistle]

It's schrodinger's market. Everything is both undervalued and overinflated at the same time

[livid aspen]

mind blown

[tiny spire]

Guys relax, the market is fine again I just checked:

• 5x 2lp Shackles all going for 1,5b
• 0x 3lp Exsanguinous
• 6x Red Rings for 200m each all with the EXACT same stats
• 0x 2lp Twisted Heart
• 12x 3lp Jelkhor's all going for 1,5b and some of the again with the EXACT same stats

/s

[opal thistle]

It's been 1 day, LP3s for high reroll items will take a bit for the community to re-farm / post

[stoic sundial]

it wont recover

[opal thistle]

Exact same stats is just LH

[cursive ginkgo]

Some people make brown nosing these developers a professional sport

It's okay to admit when a dev you like does a massive L and hope they did it

[opal thistle]

Two things can be true, the devs can have made a misstep and the game can be perfectly playable

[next stratus]

It will recover next cycle.
The only solution for MG players to actually progress this cycle is to let them swap to CoF while having their current gear and then block MG completely.
This will punish everyone sitting on infinite gold.

[oak elk]

I mean everyone here can just play CoF and wait for C2

[blazing forum]

tbh i'm starting to wonder if devs are repopulating the listings to artificially stabilize prices

[oak elk]

but everyone rather whine xD

[cursive ginkgo]

You are either at 120c or you made out like a bandit if you think the state of mg is fine

[modern pivot]

Easter weekend hole plugged in a few hours and they said they're working on a response maybe just chill to see what happens

[opal thistle]

Not their style, I would doubt it

[opal thistle]

Total alignment from me, I think a lot of folks are acting like the sky is falling. Like all things, this too shall pass

[cursive ginkgo]

Sure but it destroys any faith in mg

Legacy economy is also screwed

[tiny spire]

100% support this. There's no way to recover from this mess. Let people switch to CoF without much pain and work on a proper solution for the next season.

[opal thistle]

I wouldn't be opposed to a CoF catchup mechanic to assist folks who feel like MG is unplayable

[cursive ginkgo]

Let people do a one time swap to CoF with no penalties

[opal thistle]

Like a 1 time rep transfer yeye

[stoic sundial]

so you want them to come to CoF with their hacked gold paid items ?

[opal thistle]

Items wouldn't transfer over

[stoic sundial]

just stay there in MG and enjoy the "free" market

😛

[cursive ginkgo]

And items, I didn't do these dupes

[tiny spire]

So what? Right now they're all in MG with hacked items/gold. 50% of the player base has to suffer now because a small minority is obviously cheating

[oak elk]

Yeah it is screwed you are right but also have to understand LE is a small team and is not as much their fault the market crash as the person who leaked the information publicly.

Sure they may have known for a while but they have been probably trying to fix it for a while.

This mainly happened due to a inmature person not getting validated and Venged against the Devs which caused the current issue we have now.

[opal thistle]

Lets not get it twisted, 1/2 the community would have a melt down if MG tagged items were converted to CoF

[cursive ginkgo]

Lol who cares? At this point it's a single player game

[oak elk]

its been a single player game since launch

MG or CoF

[crisp swallow]

mg in shambles

[oak elk]

The only purpose of Multiplayer was for a community to develope

[alpine atlas]

Yea it feel pretty annoying to re level MG and not be able to complete my builds now lol guess back to re releveling cof or just break time.

[oak elk]

For people to show off their shinies

[night sluice]

Poe league came just in time

[alpine atlas]

I might just go poe yeye

[errant geyser]

one of the worst leagues they made....

[next stratus]

Well the reality is like this:
MG players can not progress anymore. Everything that is worth something will be bought up by those that have either cheated or sold something to cheaters at this point.
They have to swap to CoF to progress. If they do, they'll lose all their progression.
Half of the community will be angry no matter what.

[opal thistle]

What I did when I first swapped to level both a while back was setup my loot filter to help me find replacements. Took maybe 1-2 days of casual farming and I was able to swap my toons without much hassle. Within another day or 2 I was caught up to where I was before. If you want to make the swap it's easier than most folks believe

[alpine atlas]

I have like LPS with the stats I want already rolled on 80% of my dudes so no thsnks

[opal thistle]

I agree that there isn't an easy solution, but I think that MG will be fine. Markets are already starting to recover and we're like 12 hours since the exploit was supposedly patched?

I wouldn't be suprised if by next weekend (assuming there are no other exploits) that the markets are back in a fairly healthy state

[next stratus]

I've done roughly 100 legendary crafts with MG, it will not take 1-2 of casual farming to catch up in CoF for me.

[alpine atlas]

Exactly

[crisp swallow]

market has been bricked since day 1 and it will not recover until next cycle

[gloomy lance]

What was the exploit?

[next stratus]

Unless they remove the gold that has been circulating from the cheaters, which could be 99% more than all the legit gold made by everyone doing it legit, it will never really recover.
All the extremely valuable items that is worth chasing will be bought by gold that isn't legit, all the way until the cycle ends.

[alpine atlas]

I can't just COF bee idols it just doesn't work like that

[opal thistle]

@gloomy lance Tl;Dr here

[cursive ginkgo]

It's been like this for weeks really, you farm all day at 1400c and still can't afford an upgrade lol

[gloomy lance]

What does that mean

[opal thistle]

A summary of the events

[cursive ginkgo]

You want a eli5?

[crisp swallow]

that a non neglible amount of people had the means to give themselves and others goldcap at will

[oak elk]

if you were farming corruption for gold

you were doing it wrong xD

[gloomy lance]

Did he get favor exploit as well

[crisp swallow]

lmao

[opal thistle]

Favor is a non-issue

It can be farmed so quickly that it basically doesn't matter

[cursive ginkgo]

Favor really doesn't exist once you go over 300c

[blazing forum]

with infinite gold im pretty sure favour was at least slowing it down a bit 😛

[night sluice]

Exactly

[crisp swallow]

no it wasnt

😄

[next stratus]

I've farmed on 1500c and been lucky to get a good 2LP item here and there, sold exalted for 100mil and got really lucky. This was when Red Rings were selling for 40-50mil.
Now, some people have sold stuff for 1.5bil that wasn't worth anything. They're sitting on that gold and it's never getting out of circulation. I'm not even talking about the obnoxious amount of gold that can be up in the trillions that the cheaters are sitting on.

[gloomy lance]

Ye isnt that easy on HC when you keep randomly getting one shot by weird bugs

[crisp swallow]

if anyone says that this is not catastrophic for the market and mg are either clueless or in denial. or both

[cursive ginkgo]

Biggest sale I ever made was 80mil, one time, which was a 2lp chains

[next stratus]

How is the market going to stabilize this season when it comes to rare items?

[crisp swallow]

it doesnt. gotta wait till next cycle

[blazing forum]

id assume devs will/have delete it if some have dozens of unclaimed billions

[next stratus]

It is catastrophic. It's not going to stabilize this cycle. It just won't.

[limber canyon]

if (gold < 0) return 0; is probably the hotfix 😅

[blazing forum]

but yea, more gold in econ than is reasonable

[cursive ginkgo]

But w/e new league is out so I can play that until they work out the beta over here

[main fable]

and there are ppl still think that market will recover lol. Good items will get instant swipe by those poeple who sitting on max value of gold right now. Better switch to CoF and come back to MG next cycle.

[crisp swallow]

exactly

[opal thistle]

It's already starting to recover though

[crisp swallow]

no its not lmao

[opal thistle]

Look at RRoA

[next stratus]

Exactly. MG is truly dead.
If you want semi decent items, CoF is more than fine.
If you want really good items, MG is literally impossible.

[crisp swallow]

items of any meaningful value are still 1.5b

[alpine atlas]

Maybe if your sitting watching the new items posted

But not good metas

[opal thistle]

RRoA had meaningful value and even at LP0 is used in many builds?

[crisp swallow]

imagine saying 50m items going for 1.5b is recovering

imagine saying 50m items going for even 750m is recovering

[opal thistle]

It's been less than 24 hours, it's ok

Deep breath

[crisp swallow]

its borked down to the core

[opal thistle]

It's not the end of the world

[next stratus]

Even if you do get an insane item in MG through drop, you wouldn't feel any good because if you sell it, the item goes to cheaters - which makes it feel like a useless trade. They've pretty much bought your item with 0 effort.

[crisp swallow]

no, but its the end of the cycle and any meaningful market dynamics lmao

[opal thistle]

The unfortunate reality is that this has basically been the case from day 1 due to RMTers no?

[alpine atlas]

Its been going on longer than 24 hours lol

[crisp swallow]

its been going since launch

on a much lesser scale

[opal thistle]

No like, the exploit was patched sub 24hours ago

[crisp swallow]

but the chinese gold dupers have been steadily pricing everything on an uptick

[alpine atlas]

So they took all the gold?

Because having people with trillions from cheating messes up the econ

[blazing forum]

wonder if we have enough players to split the MG:
create a new one, but if you join you cant have a char in the other any more and you have your gold set to 0

[crisp swallow]

the only reason we have still people coping here is the goldcap

if there was no goldcap, even the thickest people would see how borked it is

[opal thistle]

I guess folks just have different definitions of unplayable lol

[alpine atlas]

Price everyone but cheaters out of the market

[crisp swallow]

enjoy your 50m items you need for a build selling for 1.5b

its literally unplayable

[alpine atlas]

Yee

[crisp swallow]

for most of the players

[alpine atlas]

Enjoy 400 hours for a bee idol farming cof

[opal thistle]

So is CoF unplayable?

[crisp swallow]

no

[modern pivot]

If only horizontal progression l, cof, and waiting another 24 hours were a thing

[opal thistle]

Seems like Nrmo is implying it is lol

[next stratus]

RMT is another issue. Even though their influence can be felt in MG, the fact that gold has almost no value at all even in RMT anymore makes high-end item trading feel more meaningless.

[crisp swallow]

cof you will have a real hard time minmaxing

[modern pivot]

Have you guys filed the class action yet

[oak elk]

that is not true

[crisp swallow]

to the point its not doable within a reasonable timeframe compared to mg

[oak elk]

I am under 300 hours and I have two toons doing 1500 corruption and pushing now to 2k

[alpine atlas]

Do you have any bee idols? I'm just saying some thing for niche builds are reaaaalllly hard to find

[opal thistle]

And yet, there are a ton of top players on CoF farming happily at 1-2kc

[crisp swallow]

thats not the point

they are in the minority

a massive minority

[oak elk]

They arent?

xD

[crisp swallow]

anyone farming 1-2k c are a minority

[oak elk]

yeah

[crisp swallow]

most people wont make empowered monos lmao

[oak elk]

but Most of the population can go to 500 Corruption

'

with that same logic only the miniority was really gonna min max through MG

[crisp swallow]

yes

[oak elk]

If they were doing Efficient farming paths

[crisp swallow]

exactly lmao

[alpine atlas]

Depends on item choice

[oak elk]

So the pointis moot.

[blazing forum]

afaik 1000+ isn't even intended balance wise. im there as well, but not sure if anyone should be

[crisp swallow]

but now the bar in prices is set so high that casual players wont be able to do what they want in mg

[alpine atlas]

Some builds need lots of unique some need 0

[opal thistle]

You can take most meta builds to 1000c right now without having to break the bank

With current market prices

[crisp swallow]

no, its not moot it just flew right over your head lmao

[oak elk]

No its moot

[crisp swallow]

keyword being meta

[oak elk]

if only the 1% is crying about market problems

[alpine atlas]

What if I don't wanna be meta and I just wanna use the MG then screw me huh

[oak elk]

it is just the 1%

[crisp swallow]

ur coping so much its unreal lmao

enjoy mg

all im saying

[oak elk]

It isnt cope

[opal thistle]

Not what I am saying at all, but lets not get it twisted. Folks are saying MG is "unplayable" but it's VERY playable

[split wave]

Most of the playerbase probably doesn't even make it to empowered monoliths tbh

[oak elk]

I used MG

[crisp swallow]

its massive ginormous cope

[oak elk]

but I am not dumb to think CoF is not viable at all.

[alpine atlas]

Cof is great just hard finding specific things for niche builds

[crisp swallow]

like i said, enjoy 50x prices by default

sure, playable

[opal thistle]

Lets try something

[oak elk]

Yeah Niche builds is rough even target farming.

[opal thistle]

As an experiment

Pick a build

I put it together from a decent price

[tiny spire]

Sold mine 2 weeks ago for 50m. Now it's "worth" 1,5b
The change in value is so drastic, it's clear to everyone that the economy is in complete shambles and it can't recovery naturally due to the influx of gold that was brought in

[stable vessel]

damage has been done. best thing they can do is to minimize the effect. maybe tryng to adjust the favor value when selling or buying. buy 1b worth items. = 200k favor

[cursive ginkgo]

omg but the game is not unplayable !11!11!one

/s

[opal thistle]

Lets do it, seriously pick a build and I'll toss it together and see how much it costs

[tiny spire]

just remove gold cost and make it so you have to buy/sell items with favor

[oak elk]

Most meta builds

can be pretty cheap

With the correct Exaults

[crisp swallow]

3lp ladle, 3lp exsang with +4 fissure and spirit frequency, 2lp boneclamor, 2lp last steps of the living, opulent focus with crit multi t7, minion health t6/t7, relic with +4 veil, necrotic/physical res neck with t6 crit multi and 2 1lp red rings

go

[cursive ginkgo]

frost claw runemaster w/ twisted heart with +frost claws

[opal thistle]

Ah you don't get to pick the LP amount

Just the build

[oak elk]

xD

[crisp swallow]

LMAO

[opal thistle]

I'll make it viable

You don't need 3 LP to push

Thats the whole point

[oak elk]

I can make a warlock build with 0 gold RN xD

[opal thistle]

Exactly

[cursive ginkgo]

many builds just don't work until you get hyper specific things

[crisp swallow]

sure but you wont be playing unless you have a decent chance of incremental upgrades

[honest cave]

Not sure why are everybody mumbling the MG is unplayable. You can literally get gold capped so easy now. Sure, you can't buy your 4LP ladles anymore, but it won't make or break the build. Can just settle for LP2 ladle instead for 1mil and you got left with 1.999bil

[cursive ginkgo]

frost claw RM really really sucks til you get t7 mana cost sceptre

[oak elk]

CoF is exactly that

and No

[crisp swallow]

so everyone should just accept that you wont get any lp at reasonable prices from market because you can push without em?

lmao

so much cope

massive denial

[opal thistle]

Calm

[crisp swallow]

no i mean ur so thick its unreal 😄

[oak elk]

Frozen Sentinel made a budjest Frost claw build that is pushing 1.5k corruption

[opal thistle]

Lets keep it civil please

[crisp swallow]

enjoy

all im saying

[oak elk]

no t7 cost

[opal thistle]

No need for personal attacks

[crisp swallow]

its not a personal attack

you define yourself as such

''i can pick meta and push, no lp needed -> its okay to not get lp items''

thats your argument

[dry halo]

Red rings are garbage to sell now

[oak elk]

how low they droped?

[cursive pine]

Agreed market is good if you just buy the 1-2lp items, and were lucky enough to get a big sale yesterday when ppl where buying items for 1.5bln 😄

[tiny spire]

Come on now. You're giving out an impossible task to achieve and that's only 1 item xD
0 2lp Twisted out there and t6/t7 frostclaw are 500m - 1,5b for each try to slam it

[opal thistle]

Pushing your ad hominim aside for a second, lets take a look at the build you posted and see how much it would cost to get a starter build going so you could start pushing decent corruption

[crisp swallow]

you are missing the point entirely

[cursive ginkgo]

even if you just buy a exalted relic with t1 frost claw to bump up to t5

[crisp swallow]

im at 1200c with worse build than this

and im cof

[opal thistle]

Wait wait wait

[alpine atlas]

I can push C with a pally in very low items with my feet this isn't a you can't push or you can push with or without current MG. It's just messed up clearly and big cope if you think it's fine

[honest cave]

1LP +6 Immolator belt's are selling for 100mil each. You can farm 20+ of them in a day

[opal thistle]

Do you have any MG characters at all?

[crisp swallow]

ofc i do

[opal thistle]

ok ok ok lemme tell ya

[cursive ginkgo]

I have 3 lvl 100 mgs and 1 lvl 100 cof

[opal thistle]

There have been some CoF only folks coming in here with hot takes

[honest cave]

Giga easy profit with no effort

Can prolly make 10bil a day atm

[opal thistle]

Yo similar, I have 2 100 CoF and 2 100 MGs 😄

Well 97, on the 2nd CoF but very close

[crisp swallow]

you are the embodiment of ''this is fine'' meme

😄

[alpine atlas]

2 cofs like 6 mgs

[opal thistle]

Lets take a step back

[crisp swallow]

you can accept the state of things

i dont

so enjoy

[tiny spire]

still funny that people are chattering/complaining about a known issue that they themselves can’t do anything to solve but wait.

[opal thistle]

@crisp swallow what % of players do you think will get over 1000c

[opal thistle]

Agreed in some respects for sure, but I think it's worth discussing in some reguards

[valid cobalt]

more like just wanna rant

xd

[opal thistle]

hahaha very true yeba

[dry halo]

They get it from their moms. Some people just love to complain while never mentioning a solution

[unique wadi]

It's not their job to mention a solution

[valid cobalt]

i farm 2x 3LP peak in about one week of casual play, and before they were going for 12m and now its 400m+ LMAO

time to farm it and sell it ig

[dry halo]

It's called nagging. And a job implies it accomplishes something. Nagging does nothing

[opal thistle]

It basically comes down to this:
With MG market prices, even as inflated as they are, you can make a decent build for just about any mastery can do ~300c. 300c is the benchmark that the devs have stated is where builds have "made it" (if I'm remembering the qoute correctly)

[valid cobalt]

to get things going to 300-500 c u dont even need much stuff

[tiny spire]

Solutions have been mentioned here it's up to the devs to do decide if they want to do something about it (I sincerely hope they will) and if so what they will do. Any sort of communication is highly appreciated at that point because the situation is dire for a lot of players.

[unique wadi]

Nagging makes people move off their ass and do something. If people never complained all the things in the world would go to sh..

[leaden wharf]

it is easter, so we cant expect much

[opal thistle]

Devs have already worked over the weekend to patch the vulnerability via a hotfix

[crisp swallow]

this is actually a really good take

[alpine atlas]

I don't think people in here are upset they can't get to 300c that is irrelevant

[crisp swallow]

there needs to be uproar about this because the devs listen to the community

[tiny spire]

“dire” is an overstatement…

[crisp swallow]

and if the dumbest takes make the loudest noise the solution will not be optimal

[dry halo]

How is the situation dire??? lol you sell your best items for billions and you can now get as close to BiS on every piece of gear. What is so dire

[fresh plover]

true i earned 3 bil yrday

[crisp swallow]

thats why im calling out the copers

and in-denialers

have a nice day

[valid cobalt]

if u earn more now and stuff cost more, feels like situation is the same regardless

[ionic forum]

anyone looking for high-roll LP2 devotion amulet? dm

[fresh plover]

the only issue with trade is that it became worse for top end minmaxers, cause u basically need to sell op item to buy op item, for low middle class nothing became worse

[valid cobalt]

^^^^

[opal thistle]

I think this is the root of the issue

[alpine atlas]

Doesn't sound like it's not an issue tho

[dry halo]

Do what though? Did you not know that people complain about things that don't have a solution? Sometimes people complain without any recognition of whether their problem can even be solved

[opal thistle]

Folks who are saying "it's unplayable" and "anyone who thinks its fine is in denial" are looking at it from the lense of the top 1% of players

[fresh plover]

i mean its not a BIG issue, but logically market shouldnt work like that, people should be able to scrap a lot of lil gains to buy one big item,now...well u cant do that

[blazing forum]

also you kinda have to market snipe. saw a 1 lp red ring for a minute there...

[opal thistle]

For a vast majority of players they are basically unaffected by what's happening

[crisp swallow]

the devs are in between a rock and a hard place, the solution will not please everybody and thats why the situation sucks as a whole

[opal thistle]

This is true

[dry halo]

Vast majority benefitted tremendously from what happened

[valid cobalt]

true, i blame build guides for seemingly overusing super rare uniques posting with 2+ LP

cringe

[crisp swallow]

i think this is a massive overstatement

[valid cobalt]

and the video i saw? doing low corruption with those said uniques

[crisp swallow]

vast majority suffers right now because of what happened

[alpine atlas]

I sold one big item to fund my little ones and I guess I so it again but I shouldn't have to, I already did now my gold been unvalued and too bad that'd the nature if currency but such extreme inflation is hard to keep up with

[dry halo]

We didn't get inflation across the board, we got extreme inflation on only the highest end game items. It makes a huge difference

[unique wadi]

That's their job,to find out.Alot of laws today are a result of people complaining about bad stuff.

[crisp swallow]

we havent even seen the full extent of the damages yet

the problem is: item enters market, money trades hands, item leaves the market, money stays in hand

this is an issue from day 1

not only because of the exploit

but its blown over due to what happened over the weekend

[blazing forum]

ture, astonishgly few of my lower items sold

[crisp swallow]

im sure this is not what the market was intended to be down the line but it was the best solution they could come up with for launch

its understandable

but there needs to be some fundamental changes to the market dynamics going forward

[opal thistle]

Here is my guess:

• Sometime in the next week or so devs will put out statement addressing the issue
• They'll make an attempt to ban all bad actors who actively used the exploit
• They'll do a overview post going over timeline / their take
• They'll promise a technical follow-up on how this happened and how they reacted
• They won't do a market rollback / reset / remove player gold
• They'll let things pan out naturaly without touching the market directly
• They'll be "open to suggestions" on how to address the issue if the community has any better ideas
• The community won't have any better suggestions, and that'll be that

[valid cobalt]

lol

"it is what it is" situation

[dry halo]

Last time they listened to the community, my warlock build got destroyed

[crisp swallow]

😄

[fresh plover]

lmfao u do know that interaction is still op and people still use it?

[oak elk]

Paladin is next

[opal thistle]

Honestly, only solution is to nerf CoF again /s

[valid cobalt]

is paladin op