💰┃merchants-guild

[vale berry]

I have falconer playing ballistas, 1.6k life

Can't push past 350 corruption

Rerolled to runemaster

[split valley]

I saw ballistas clearing off screen 2k

[teal sable]

I mean if they just balance the game we don't need a favor dump. I doubt this problem exists at 500c which is what the envisioned would be where the upper echelon of builds would farm.

[vale berry]

Yes, but trip over a rock and you die

Also bossfight is bad

[brisk grove]

The sad pain truth

[bleak depot]

are we able to search a rare or exalted item with name on AH?

or part of the name

[vale berry]

No

[bleak depot]

sadge

[brisk grove]

Gotta pre shadow ward stack on boss fights the builds fun but painful

[split valley]

500 still gives you plenty that you can’t utilise. Not enough gold to be buying items all day to spend the favour

Listing is very cheap anyway

[subtle falcon]

what do you mean by "with name"? rare/exalted items get their names from the affixes, and the base-item. Both of this is searchable

[teal sable]

I am farming 400 now and constantly out of favor

[bleak depot]

I do agree with you, but for example if the item has dex in it, name convention goes to .... dexteritious .....

of course search affix as dex is the solution, just asking

[subtle falcon]

listing is very cheap, but buying isn't. If you eg wanna slam 10 wands on a 2 LP unique, so you need to buy 10 uniques and 10 wands, that can get expensive favor-wise.

[split valley]

You are also probably listing everything now to level up ?

[vale berry]

I wonder what class can fairly easily push like 1.5k+ corruption apart from Warlock

[teal sable]

No, I stopped listing stuff a few days ago because I am too lazy.

[split valley]

Yeah I’m the same. Listed only yesterday for a bit 😅

[vale berry]

I wish there was one market "stall" for pricechecking everything

[split valley]

That’s a valid point. You can also hit what you need on the second unique or on the 20th

It will soon be over and we will be slamming nothing for days or weeks 😄

[subtle falcon]

get a MG filter that filters items based on their value, it's pretty convenient to turn off brain and see "oh, yellow = 50-500k, red = 500k+, purple = 1m+". You loot like 1 item per 5 echoes maybe 😄

[teal sable]

Prbly done with cycle soon anyways. Don't see a point in trying to push a build when the balance is so out of whack. It's a extremly fun game though will come back for next ccycle for sure

[teal sable]

Doesn't work as well on non meta classes bec. of personal loot.

[vernal flicker]

You mean legitimately farm 1500? 😏 not many builds can

[subtle falcon]

Any insight on how long cycles last/when is next reset? I'm new to the game, only playing for like 2-3 weeks now

[vale berry]

Warlock ward abuse can

[teal sable]

They said like most other ARPGS but they didn't give a date. So approximately 3-4months.

[vernal flicker]

Yep

All content is easy with 2 button 100k ward

[vale berry]

I just wonder if there is any point of "dimishing returns"

for corruption

past which it's not worth pushing

[vernal flicker]

Its a time vs reward tradeoff

[subtle falcon]

eh, the filter is pretty extensive, but yes, ofc, it won't work well on niche classes... but then usually niche classes' items are giga cheap, often in literally 0, up to 50k range for even T7, so it's not worth picking up anyway. The idea is picking up stuff for meta classes, because the demand is massive and a good T7 can easily hit 10m

eg now I play paladin using smite, and my bis affixes are like... healing stuff... I bought most of my gear for this char for like 300k combined

[vernal flicker]

If your clear speed halves that 20% bonus isnt worth it

[teal sable]

Sadly there isn't. As long as you can clear it fast and don't die you just get more loot/xp. I really hope they introduce at least a softcap in the future.

[subtle falcon]

also, idols can be absolutely massive, it's insanity to me that some people are willing to pay 20m for 1 idol

[vernal flicker]

Holy trail Java and judgement uses healing eff too

[woeful frigate]

is there a good MG filter link I can download

[split valley]

Gear matters in this cycle for higher cp fast clears.

[subtle falcon]

t's not this build, the build I'm going is spamming smite and then you go for sigil / holy aura etc... it's so busted on bosses it's unreal 😄 like I killed Majasa (campaign end for 1 attributes) at lv 39 with random movement-speed uniques, literally face-tanked her all the way, including stuns 😂

[vernal flicker]

You use experimental ward conversion?

[subtle falcon]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/loot-filters/view/bBGZkVQV

[brisk isle]

afaik someone said that you get less bonus xp/rarity after 600 or so corruption, its not a 1/1 ratio anymore, but a 1/0,8 or something. But i cant check this atm.

[subtle falcon]

yes. Lv 39 hitting 2k ward is funny af. I finished yday night with that, and then went MG and bought some gear and went 1 monolith... there I was lv 41 hitting 5k ward 😂 I follow this streamer who has very well theorycrafted builds and it's so fun to test them out. He was farming 700 corruption with it, but still didn't publicise the full build cuz he is testing what's the best... It is absolutely mental for bosses, you just face tank all the mechanics with a legitimate non-abusing 50k ward at the endgame

[sand lantern]

hey

are u frequently selling stuf on the ah?

[subtle falcon]

I mean, I post stuff, but I'm not one of the big sellers who do 20m+ a day. My main was CoF and then I made my last 2 chars with MG, so I'm still only rank 8 🙂

[halcyon nimbus]

that LF will help a lot i have no clue whats valuable and whats not in this game lol

i just throw stuff up lol

[vernal flicker]

Mine hits around 25 with suboptimal gear and split elements... I can face tank all of black sun boss, barely.....

[sand lantern]

like i have a wand that i belive is good its double t6 with lightning damage and lightning pen + an open suffix, i tried finding a good price for it but i just cant

[halcyon nimbus]

ya the AH isnt exactly the most helpful

[subtle falcon]

just be prepared that it will ignore most stuff, and by most I mean you will be told to pick up like 1 item per 5 echoes at most until like 400 corruption or w/e

[bleak depot]

do we able to search via implicit?

[sand lantern]

like is this 2 million gold or is this 200k gold

[golden veldt]

send me that filter lol

[subtle falcon]

if in doubt, just post it for 20m for 1 day, then 15m, etc, until it sells

[split valley]

I got 2 shoted in shade fight from 65k ward in half a second. That’s how I found out I can’t face tank everything 😅

[halcyon nimbus]

im at 400 corruption atm my guy is pretty solid so im really only looking for specific items atm myself having something tell me whats good to sell and for a price would be perfect

[subtle falcon]

this build goes the ability that reverts your ward 2 seconds back, so after you face-tank an ability you can just press it and it goes back to max ward 😂

[brisk isle]

there is a discord server, the filter gets updated almost ervery day

[sand lantern]

can anyone guess a price for me?

[halcyon nimbus]

link ?

[subtle falcon]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/loot-filters/view/bBGZkVQV it gets updated daily based on AH prices. there is a discord dedicated to it, not sure if I can post discord links here. it's called "The Sanctum Market"

ah, the discord is linked in the LF description

[split valley]

I saw that build and I know it but I died so fast that I don’t think I could press the ability anyway 🤣

[sand lantern]

but its only idols?

[golden veldt]

ty!

[brisk isle]

i sended it you viva dm, i dont know if you are allowed to post dc links here

[sand lantern]

can u dm me pls as well, ty

[subtle falcon]

no, scroll down...

idols just tend to be extremely profitable and relatively hard to filter properly, so there are a bunch of filters for them in that LF. High rolled meta idols can go for like 20m...

[vale berry]

I have poorly geared runemaster

and I can get like 6-7k ward

[vernal flicker]

I specced into all cool down reduction for 100% rift uptime

Use hh invincible travel skill

[subtle falcon]

yeah I'm not that far. One of the reason I made it is that it seems like it has a ton of skills that are interchangeable for when you play multiplayer, and my mate made a fire sorc recently... that build already boosts fire-damage for your smite through holy aura, but holy aura affects your teammates as well, so sounds fun to buff him up. Plus all the other ward-stuff for party paladin offers etc

[sand lantern]

oh mb... can u tell me pls how to copy to clipboard

[subtle falcon]

export -> copy to clipboard

[split valley]

Sounds like proper fun build for group play

Also your friends build

[sand lantern]

i dm u rlly quick ty

[halcyon nimbus]

do things eventualy do like 50k damage in 1 shot cause im at 400 corruption atm and honestly not much can kill me even at this level im assuming eventually i will just hit a wall

[vale berry]

Anyone here playing runemaster at high corruption?

[subtle falcon]

it has so many things that just seem nuts for group play, but not necessarily god-tier for solo play so they are not taken. Eg let's say 20% ward retention... just for existing. Not good enough for solo, but for duo? that seems goated. Then you activate holy aura and it doubles to 40%

[halcyon nimbus]

and i only have like base of 7k and maybe get up to 20-25k

[brisk isle]

Me and my premade just run a normal doge/armour stacking runemaster and a generic ward stacking healing hands paladin support, we are just at 1.5k corruption but up to this points its a cake walk.

[split valley]

Mobs no but some bosses can. Probably at 10k corruption some mobs can hit that number

[halcyon nimbus]

oh ok i will never get that high lol

from what ive found if you can get around 20k ward and have a solid base with 75% in all your resists not much can kill you unless you really arent paying attention

[split valley]

You can get hit pretty hard from multiple mobs at the same time but the point is you killing them as well

If you are not racing for the highest corruption but just want to have fun then you can play any build. As soon as it gets hard you are in the right place having fun and challenging content . MG it’s good for gear. You need to get lucky once and sell then fully gear your character

[ionic forum]

in beta at 2k corruption I saw the guy getting one-shotted by any and all mobs

[halcyon nimbus]

ya even 2k corruption feels way out of reach

just pushing to 500 has been a pain lol

[ionic forum]

ugh at 600 in beta I gave up

[halcyon nimbus]

and not cause the mobs are hard

its just time consuming

[split valley]

Yes. That’s the main problem. Devs don’t want to let us choose our difficulty to have fun

[halcyon nimbus]

and really for what you can get everything in 500 corruption you can in 2k

[split valley]

We need countless hours of grind

[halcyon nimbus]

its gonna come down to luck

[ionic forum]

is ladder wave 500 equivalent to 500 corruption?

[halcyon nimbus]

talk about grind level 99-100 is longer then 1-90 lol

[subtle falcon]

in my humble opinion, the corruption should be shared across all monoliths. Right now what I end up doing is on a new char I grind 100->500 in one monolith before even thinking about farming the other ones for blessings, because starting everything from 100, and then hitting shade and not having high corruption bonus on it, just feels horrible. It ends up taking forever to farm high stability to spam-farm the bosses

[split valley]

Yes

Also need to be account wide with option to choose

If you make an alt and you prepared gear for it let’s say from merchant guild. You farmed hard and did some serious trading like it’s meant to be

You start an alt and hit that 100cp brick. T4 dungeons are very easy

When and where you can have fun testing your new build? Or I need to spend 2 months farming corruption again ? 😅

[subtle falcon]

imo doing the 100->500 grind once is kinda ok, as long as you don't have to do it on EVERY SINGLE MONOLITH separately 😄 it just doesn't feel good

or when you pick monolith, now you ahve two options, do it normally or "empowered". You should be able to choose a third option "currently highest empowered", and then they can just remove the bonus-corruption from shades to catch up to your highest corruption monolith. idk what disadavntage it is there to having it this way, but yeah, just feels very tragic to have to re-farm from 100 every other monolith when your main one is sitting at 500+

[vale berry]

gets you playing more

[split valley]

100% agree

[vale berry]

so they have achieved what they wanted

[split valley]

It’s a time gate like Ivoge says

Since there’s no content that’s all we get to do

I want to play necro and buy gear but I don’t even start it because of the corruption nightmare. Can’t make myself re farm it

[distant kite]

why cant we post pics here

god this server is so lame now rofl

[split valley]

So when I get bored I’ll just take a brake from LE

[distant kite]

4lp xithara's sold 80m 💰

[subtle falcon]

does it? I don't think so. I just get frustrated and instead of farming all the blessings properly I end up making an alt instead... but at some point the cycle will stop for me and I'll get frustrated enough to stop playing altogether. I'd much rather "oh I should farm blessing X now... -> open monolith -> see my existing 700 corruption and continue pushing it"

[vale berry]

I agree with what you say, but I think they did it to make people stick to the game for longer

[split valley]

I’ve put one on the market yesterday for 85 mil. I hope it sells when I come back from work

To claim them millions 🤩

[vale berry]

Majority of players will push different monos

[light rivet]

so far im 500 Corruption in 4 areas atm

[vale berry]

Wow, 0.13% for 4LP

😮

[distant kite]

gl bro

[split valley]

I was cof until yesterday. Moved to MG and got it 4lp

[distant kite]

yeah with the way things are currently

COF until you farm up a bunch of crafting material -> swap to MG

[subtle falcon]

the most optimal way, from my understanding, is hitting high corruption, at least 500, in one mono, and then spamming others. Then when you kill first shade it jumps to like +250 corruption bonus and so you are farming 300 corruption instead of 100 very quickly. The gear that drops from 100 vs 300 is massively different. Not sure if this is the best way though?

[subtle falcon]

wdym by crafting material? affixes/runes/glyphs?

[distant kite]

yeah

[subtle falcon]

I mean... aren't those plentiful either way? Actually if anything, it's incredibly easy to "farm" it as MG, cuz you can just buy tier 4-5 from market, and shatter/glyph of removal, for the stuff that you miss 😂

it's very easy to target-farm affixes for eg +level to a specific stuff as MG

[halcyon nimbus]

ive been MG since the start i have so many glypgh and runes i couldnt possible use them all no need to go circle

[polar forum]

SERIOUSLY why I can't search for Armor Shred on Amulets LMFAO

[halcyon nimbus]

tho i honestly think circle is actually better for the casual player the gold sink of MG is absolutly insane

[distant kite]

well you want them both rank 10 regardless

so

[halcyon nimbus]

sure you can get some good gear in MG for not over the top price but if you want anything with 2-3LP thats good we are talking 10s of millions of gold up to 100s of millions

so unless you get super lucky the gold sink is insane

[distant kite]

the price of some of these idols actually triggers me so much rofl

[subtle falcon]

but how much easier it is to farm those 2-4 LPs with CoF? Especially when it's boss-drops? 🙂

[halcyon nimbus]

i sa an item up for 1,500,000,000.00 i was like whos buying that

[vale berry]

someone who has 30 bots running and farming gold 24/7

🙂

[subtle falcon]

I'm selling the most random idols for 1-2m all the time... like actual crap ones... low-mid rolls

[halcyon nimbus]

ok but whats that. .1 %of the pop

[tropic patio]

with how poor gold sinks are rn, by the end of the league this might be possible lmfao

[halcyon nimbus]

the health idols are insane price imo

5% increase health + 25 health = 4 mil gold lol

1 idol

like what

[split valley]

Cof it’s very hard for casual players. You need to grind your soul to get good stuff

[tropic patio]

i mean yea
And you sell one rare lp3 for 100m which funds your entire idol page

[halcyon nimbus]

dont get my started on a 3lp weapon

[distant kite]

i agree, they need to have a system beyond legendary where you gamble the legendary for an upgrade or something

[split valley]

Compared to a single lucky drop that will make you a fortune

[halcyon nimbus]

not true you need to find very specific ones

tons of 3 lp items going for nothing

[split valley]

If you get something very rare as cof and you will never use it then you screwed 😅

[tropic patio]

literally the entirety of mg players are just farming gold, never spending it
i have like 8 tabs and didn't pay more than a mil 💀

@halcyon nimbus its why i said "rare" 3 lp ones

[distant kite]

lol

[vale berry]

I wonder when I'll give up levelling my runemaster

Just started empowered monos

[tropic patio]

cause trading doesn't count as burning gold, so it all comes down to lightless arbor cache and tabs

[halcyon nimbus]

i agree if you get luck with 1 of the 10 items in the game that are worth 100mil then ya your set

[balmy oak]

well i guess you never used your despairs

[halcyon nimbus]

i use them but since my gear is pretty much set i dont really use many anymore

[brisk isle]

you are set with 100mil already? Arent Red Rings for example already 30mil or something now? I feel like you need a lot more to come close to min max a build.

[distant kite]

bazaar is currently having issue

[halcyon nimbus]

the only rune i dont have is the one that turns things into uniques

i use them all on rings

[tropic patio]

very little builds use atlaria anyway
But ye a respectable build has a good number of 3lp rare uniques and each goes for 50-100m rn lmao

[weary berry]

u mean 90mil

[halcyon nimbus]

you would need a billion if you wanna run a full min max honestly

[halcyon nimbus]

my weapon alone 3lp more then that

[weary berry]

the ring

is 90mil if it didnt change

[halcyon nimbus]

oh sorry ya the rings

[balmy oak]

thats how i made my 300m+ by selling 5affixes
if you dont use it for your gears, can always use for $$$

[halcyon nimbus]

you can sell affixes ? LOL i didnt even know that

[tulip plinth]

Talk about “waste”

[balmy oak]

bruh

[halcyon nimbus]

i assume you mean before you trasnfer them

?

[brisk isle]

yeah didnt check on them the last days, last time i checked they were 15mil. Bought my +5 and good rolls for 4mil each, i gues prices spike quite hard now.

[halcyon nimbus]

i for real had no idea you could sell them

[weary berry]

its so crazy i regret not buying them at 3mil

[halcyon nimbus]

i think i had 50-60 despair glyphs im not using atm

ive been making my friends gear with them lol

[halcyon nimbus]

is there actually a glyph/affix market or have you just been selling them to players

[subtle falcon]

wdym by this?

[distant kite]

is anyone elses bazaar not working

[kind panther]

yeah, dont work for me

[clever oar]

yea, i'd like to know that too

[tardy zinc]

does bazaar working fine for you all ? Mine's not

[pearl walrus]

very likely means he sells items that he seals w/ an affix

because someone will find it useful

either wearing the items or shattering it for shards

[subtle falcon]

but wha'ts the point of sealing it, for people who buy the item to shatter? not sure what I'm missing

[fluid ingot]

Don't suppose anyone is at the Bazaar atm where I could port to you and get the waypoint for a new char please? ign Dreadful

[vale berry]

I wish they would change search so you can select tier from each affix you want

[balmy oak]

this ye

[pearl walrus]

for sure works if you are swimming in glyphs to spare lol

[polar forum]

Anyone with a CoF character probably does swim in glyphs and runes

[dark quiver]

I wish people would stop sealing T7 experimental haste and posting it
Some people out here trying to slam that people 🤣

[vale berry]

Trying to find armor with T6 inc health, ele res and some other stuff, can't even look it up as I can only search for T6 life

Great system 😄

I mean I could, scrolling through 500 pages of listings

[pearl walrus]

it's almost like EHG never played a game w/ a fkn AH in it lol

[vale berry]

yep

[pearl walrus]

so many stats on an item and you can only look up lmao

[brisk isle]

the hole search function is just so bad, idk how this was approved tbf.

[pearl walrus]

not entirely sure how fast to fix it will be either

it's UI and coding changes

so

[brisk isle]

i doubt there will be a fast fix, you still cant serach for armourshread on hit

it should not be hard to add a mod to the list, maybe the hole code behind it is just flawed, idk.

Hope they get it right next cycle i gues.

[pearl walrus]

idk but the other issue is the constant storing of the items posted in the bazar has to be taxing on the system

[vale berry]

plus the bazaar is lagged af

[pearl walrus]

that

is what im saying

i also know they were trying to create this cool themed thing where there are merchant and ish

but it's also time consuming as it is to post items that i have to constantly run all over the damn bazar just to post items lol

[vale berry]

and price checking atm takes ages

unless you know value of tiems

[late olive]

anyone else having troubles searching for items?

[golden veldt]

yes, everybody

[late olive]

I see, this already feels like a challenge for themselves, how to get at least a new issue on a daily basis

[golden veldt]

I tought you meant in general

[late olive]

I wonder what happens at 6-7pm EU when people actually start logging

[halcyon nimbus]

in fairness as poop as the system is it makes it hard for bots to screw with it

[late olive]

tell that to all the bots in general chat, a new one every 5 minutes

[muted imp]

just turn it off

[left axle]

bazaar not working at all sad

[late olive]

you sound like a true developer, there's no issue if you close your eyes

[muted imp]

if chat bots are ur biggest issue then that's super, no?

[split valley]

Bazar works best for me and very smooth when less people play the game

[full panther]

the items that I buy from market , i cant gift them to friends?

[split valley]

Yesterday before my bed time it was incredible responsive

[full panther]

or I can

[split valley]

But during the day terrible

[sweet heron]

😿

[full panther]

im still new :( so i wanna know

[split valley]

No

[late olive]

buddy you're missing the point, if the way you deal is bugs and issues in general is by turning the other way...no wonder you're giving such good advises

[full panther]

no means it cant be traded at all by all means?

so it stuck on me yes?

[split valley]

Once you buy it I think it’s yours forever

[full panther]

ah

aight

so if an Item requires level 10 to buy

i need to reach it on my own and cant ask my friend to buy it for me?

[split valley]

Yes

[full panther]

aight

thanks for clarifying

😢

well getting level 10 is so

long

to take

aaaa

[split valley]

Just play the game 💪

You won’t feel it and there’s something to look for

[full panther]

yea

thank you brother

i dont mind the farm tbh

i just thought there is an easy way around

back to grinding

[quartz pier]

bazaar is down?

[topaz patrol]

always is

[quartz pier]

https://tenor.com/view/crycat-crying-cat-crying-cat-thumbs-up-thumbs-up-ok-gif-17048449662472934214

[topaz patrol]

Basically the more specific your search for an item is, the more likely it is to fail the search

[quartz pier]

now looks like is not working at all.. cannot see default page ...

[spice spear]

bazar down ? doesnt work on me

[topaz patrol]

works sometimes to leave and join again, although the bazaar really isn't working well today

[vale berry]

Is 350 corruption "decent" ?

[errant otter]

yes

[split valley]

Off peak hours guys. If it’s getting on your nerves it’s better to leave it for later. Yesterday I went mad trying to find stuff and sell too

[topaz patrol]

Agreed

[vernal flicker]

200-500 should be a normal range unless a build is bugged or way overtuned

[vale berry]

Cool

[full panther]

for leveling , does higher level area gives more exp?

[vale berry]

Yes

[full panther]

not including corruption level

owh

[vale berry]

Oh

I thought you mean corruption

Not sure about the normal area

[errant otter]

you will get max your lvl + 10 so if you are lvl 65 in 85 lvl area you will get lvl 75 mob xp on kill

[brisk isle]

are you sure, even my scuffed Blastrain Marksman got to 500+ without any problems, and i dont think this build is by any means overtuned. If you think getting over 500 is OP you would have to list like almost all builds no?

[vale berry]

Ward builds are different

to life builds

as it comes to progressing to high corruption

[trim swallow]

"bazaar is currenltly having issues" all the time

[vernal flicker]

Do you use ward?

[vale berry]

Lol, rip bazaar

they disabled it

[tardy zinc]

wth is going on with it

[vale berry]

If I were to guess, too many items listed

Option #2 is bots

[brisk isle]

no

[full panther]

if on my account has a character that is level 10 mechant and i create a new char

is the level retained on the other character?

[fierce obsidian]

Yes

[full panther]

if

i buy the items on one character can i transfer the item to other character?

[fierce obsidian]

Keep in mind though, if you make it Merchant guild as well, and then later decide you want to swap to CoF on the Alt. It will wipe the favor gained for all characters.

[split valley]

There’s marksman builds destroying 2k corruption

Also I saw a build from beta doing 2k solo

[fierce obsidian]

Yes Addin as long as they're both Merchant Guild

[full panther]

thank you mate

[austere iris]

https://imgur.com/wyR8Jjb

hey guys, how much should I sell thoese ?

T6 T7 T4 T2

[light rivet]

maybe u could check the market for the t7 mod

[austere iris]

i cheked , butI got a t6 minion health with it

and dont know how much more it should cost

[light rivet]

maybe throw it up for 5mil or somthing idk theprice of t7 mod atm

[split valley]

Maybe at least 5 mil

People sell worsts one that are also bricked and no FP for 6-7 mil

You can put it on the market for more and wait a day or 2. Lower if it doesn’t sell

[austere iris]

yeah that is what I will do. Thx mate

[fresh plover]

no the other person is wrong u can still gift bought items with resonance but they will have the faction restrictions

good luck getting resonances tho, especially obsidian one's

[full panther]

so need to be in the merchant faction?

[light rivet]

hold on u can gift an item after u bought it? from the bazzar?

[fresh plover]

yep u can, but person who recieves the item will need the corresponding MG rank to use it

[full panther]

owh so even if someone (lvl10) bought items with level 10 requirements and gift it to me (lvl 7) i still need to be at level 10 to use it?

[light rivet]

amazing ty for the info

[fresh plover]

yep

gifting system ignores all faction thing, it literally preserves the item as it is, so people from cof can gift to mg and vice versa but since the tags on items remain its kinda pointless

[full panther]

but can still secure the items

[fresh plover]

i guess

[full panther]

can u gift the gifted items tho?

[fresh plover]

pretty sure u can, but tbh with how rare obsidian resonances are the whole system is a joke

like u have to blast 8-10h together to get a chance of getting one, the chance doesnt scale with corruption or rarity and based on pure kill count

[full panther]

i see

[elfin sonnet]

what is the best way to farm gold right know ? some dung ?

[fresh plover]

selling low life uniques with LP

[rough orchid]

anyone wanna get rid of shred armor exalted gloves? doesn't have to be good rolls

[split valley]

I’ve seen 2 obsidian for 30-40 hours together with my friend

He has 3 drop in total

Some might get even less

[fleet canopy]

Heya! I JUST hit rank 8 with the Merchants Guild and after hours upon hours of farming the stupid shield "Bulwark of the last Abyss" with LP without any luck whatsoever, I can finally buy/trade it to me!

So... I'm looking for someone who has the "Bulwark of the last Abyss" shield with atleast 2 LP and maybe I can dig through my hidden treasures in the stash and find you something cause I don't have a lot of gold unfortunately :/

[distant kite]

just got a red ring of altaria for 15k did someone forget a few 0s?

[proven moss]

deals a deal. they likely didnt care or didnt price check before listing

I do that for a bunch of stuff when Im tired

[distant kite]

fair enough

red ring for 15k though

lol

[proven moss]

sold a wraithlord helm for 8mil

[distant kite]

just the base?

no lp

[reef bane]

is there a formula or breakdown of how the favor cost is calculated/determined when posting items? like the less assigned affixes is better, highest rolls within each affix, or supply saturation? seems like listing an item the fee/return is kinda all over the place. a lvl 80 2 hander exalted can go for 700 with almost all perfect rolls but a lvl 59 exalted helm with eh rolls shows 1000favor/rep...

[distant kite]

the power of youtube is crazy

will keep the market pumping

[proven moss]

2lp

[distant kite]

oh

still nice

[proven moss]

had no use for it as a lich

[distant kite]

thats why i sold my 4lp xinth

absurdly rare drop, but i'd rather have the 80m lol

[proven moss]

most uniques are worth nothing from what ive seen minus a few

[distant kite]

all though...even with all this money now, The market place is barren of any good stuff like t7 dex

on key items

[distant kite]

xinth is part of some super OP youtube build for necro i believe

[proven moss]

i havent kept up with the "meta" or popular builds. Just been winging and crafting my own builds in game

adds a bit of nice surprise when you go to list something and see it has serious demand

[distant kite]

true

t7 cdr on boots

thats a free meal ticket as well

i have so many of them from COF

just 0 in MG

[proven moss]

I rarely see t7 at all

[distant kite]

in MG?

[proven moss]

drops

[distant kite]

yeah as a MG acc?

[proven moss]

yea

[distant kite]

yep theyre every 5 or so for me

monos

i was plugging away at 600corruption with about 1800 hp

now that im rank 7mg

and was able to upgrade my gear etc

could probably push 1k comfortably lol

[oak grove]

agreed. i did only get 35 mil but still 🙂

[distant kite]

how long ago did u sell it?

[proven moss]

i wonder how people have that much shopping money to begin with

[distant kite]

a lot of RMT and very early on with the Key nodes

[proven moss]

rmt?

[distant kite]

people were making 250k every single mono

real money trade

[oak grove]

i sold lp last step of the living boots

[distant kite]

how many lp?

[oak grove]

did not need them, already had the stats i wante on my 2lp

[distant kite]

very nice

ive managed to pick up quite a few gambit of erased rogues very cheap as well

[unborn grove]

Hey guys, just rerolled to MG from CoF10 on my main. Wanted to know, is it possible to sell items duplicated with rune of creation? (Either one of them or both of them)

[split valley]

Never occurred to me as an idea

Could try to duplicate my lp4 amulet

[dark quiver]

I believe rune of creation requires an item with FP
So pretty much only exalted items

[unborn grove]

Yes, creation needs FP. But wanted to know if a duplicated item can be sold or not

[hybrid spade]

Is there no option to filter affixes on two handed axes when looking for armor shred or am i doing smthing wrong?

[unborn grove]

armor shred is not an option atm

[crisp juniper]

yo guys don't forget to turn off your FPS limit in settings (and make sure shakes are set to heavy attacks only)

I turned mine fof just now

and attacks are muccchhh smoother

[split valley]

i dont want to play with 400 fps

and my fans spinning

i found another utility setting of the bazar

its free storage place 😂

[tropic patio]

ye

im "storing" like 500 random trash i collected since season start

[split valley]

Guys bazar tonight it’s so smooth for me I can’t believe what’s happening

It’s so quick to search/list

Basically everything

[peak bison]

Just a quick question - you can only sell items for gold, right? So if you get the best item in the game, whatever that is, you should never sell it because you'll only get gold and you can't rebuy your item because everyone else will reason the same, right? So... Then the same logic applies to the second rarest item and so on and so forth. So why does anyone sell the best items?

[weary berry]

cuz the item is useless for their build

[peak bison]

Stuff like red ring is useful for every build. The best items, not just good items.

[vale berry]

huh, you're brave 1800hp on 600 corruption lol

[distant kite]

situation has since been rectified after getting t7 MG

[vale berry]

how did you change it

did you go ward stacking? xD

[split valley]

I still won’t use that ring unless it’s 2lp plus if you sell some of the best items you can gear up characters

[peak bison]

Can you not gear up characters without hitting a lottery win drop?

[distant kite]

bought some upgrades, sitting at 2800 hp now

dual dagger falconer

[tropic patio]

lame mods no embeds

[vale berry]

nice, I'm playing ballista

with apogee, mourningfrost, soul gamblers

1700 life, tripping over a rock and dieing 😄

[distant kite]

idk if i want to try that build

if i get a 2lp+ apogee will probably sell it

[vale berry]

aoe is crazy

and it's quick as hell

[distant kite]

what corruption u on?

[split valley]

You can.

[peak bison]

Then why would you sell something you couldn't just buy back? Just doesn't add up to me.

[low prawn]

you cant rebuy something you sell anyways

you could buy another copy

but you cant buyback the same item

so if you get a 4lp, keep it.

[split valley]

why would i keep it ?

i have to wait forever to gear up

why would i keep it and spend months grinding ?

[peak bison]

In case you wanted it for another character later

[split valley]

if its for my build ill use it

[low prawn]

generral rule of thumb

[split valley]

i know what i like to play

[low prawn]

3-4lp = keep

[split valley]

anything rogue involved i aint keeping 😄

[fresh plover]

its useful only if u need all res, for a lot of builds its completely useless and overshadowed by good exlated rings

[peak bison]

But that's why I'm not merch, if the best gear can't be bought then I don't see the point:/

[fresh plover]

sentinel class is a prime example where red ring is almost useless on 99% of the builds

[true vessel]

anyone use for a 3lp Aurelis

[low prawn]

my disintegrate doesnt use red ring

and itll stay that way

[peak bison]

Sentinel is a bag of elbows anyway

[low prawn]

sent strong asf wdym

[split valley]

it can be bought

what do you mean it cant be bought ?

it cant be bought if all people are like you 😄

but they are not so we can buy the best gear if we save

[peak bison]

Bad movement, bad screen clear, generally just not worth the effort at 2k+ corruption

Guess I'll just have to start a merch farmer and try it

[fresh plover]

idk i bought almost bis gear on day 5-6 of cycle, missing only 2-3lp slam on belt

[hearty charm]

Are there any set items worth selling right now? Google and reddit are failing me - just bringing up posts about uniques

[fresh plover]

no

[peak bison]

Sure, but I farmed t7 + t3 seal set in like 3 days with circle and now I need lp3/4 gear to progress any further... And if it's on the market I can't imagine why

[fresh plover]

by best gear i meant 2-3lp staff

i have several 3lp items with 60-70 lpl lmfao in 5 years of beta ive never even seen those more than 1-2 times

market has plenty of high lp stuff, u just need money to buy it

[split valley]

It is on the market

You don’t have to imagine

[fresh plover]

after playing MG new standarts are literally 3 lp items with double t7 or t6+t7 slam

that is what realistic to get

[split valley]

Yep

[fresh plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/687089321848995989/1213504735966134373/image.png?ex=65fef1da&is=65ec7cda&hm=a6fcb1f700198ab1123c235c66a0aefcad33ab7761856bb9b53bba8c13cf7aeb&

these are my boots for example 3lp, max rolled mod, double t7 experimental slammed and t5 hybrid hp

[split valley]

That’s why I left cof. End game gear fine tuning ain’t happening with cof unless you can spend thousands of hours farming it and I still don’t think you will get even half of what you need

[fresh plover]

ye its not even close

[peak bison]

Guess I just have to try it, but unless you're talking hundreds of millions of gold I struggle to see someone selling like... LP4 Falcon bow, warlock helm, etc. And then what would they do with the money?

[hearty charm]

ty

[fresh plover]

people sell cause they dont need those items

and they sell to buy even better 3-4LP gear for their own build

thats the whole point of mg, you can drop BIS item for some random build, make a buck and get your own gear

plus u can endlessly try to improve from 3lp item to 3lp item with bis affixes to 3lp item with double exalted slam

the sink is endless

ya i dropped several 2lp OP gg LL unique gears and i instantly sold them cause why would i care abt them even if they areally strong items

there is no point hoarding in mg

sell and enjoy the build that u love

[pearl walrus]

1st big sale achieved lads. 2.5m for a t6 Frostbite chest

[fresh plover]

honestly i didnt even bother with checking prices much, you drop so much items that gold is pouring into your pockets

[warm chasm]

i'm thinking in change to MG lol

but i'm almost on lvl 10 CoF xD

[true vessel]

you keep your progress

[warm chasm]

you dont have to start from the scratch?

[true vessel]

and if you make a second char and go to first town and pic COF aswell you will even keep your favor in case you wanna switch back

[warm chasm]

I dont have that much items from COF

but if I change to MG I keep in almost lvl 10?

that's true?

[pearl walrus]

i nuked all my cof items when i swapped and didnt look back lmao

[fresh plover]

you keep your COF level, but MG ull have to lvl from scratch

[true vessel]

i switched to MG and im about to switch back cause its straigh up not worth

[warm chasm]

why do you think so? I'm not lucky with the drops lol

[true vessel]

you need so much effort to get to know the prices and sell your stuff , besides leveling to get to an equal level you might be on COF takes ages

[fresh plover]

but tbh farming rank is super fast as long as your build can handle 300-500 cor, you get rank 8 in 2-3 days at MOST

they key is just going high corruption, the higher u go the faster u grind ranks

[true vessel]

in fact the favor gain yes but leveeln isnt

but leveling isnt xD

[fresh plover]

but why do u say leveling takes ages, i was rank 8 on day 3 or 4 iirc on MG from the start of the cycle

all i did is took 1 build from 0 to 500 corruption

ya i mean if u farm un-empowered monos ull be taking days to get rank 8

but who does that?

and u dont need rank 9 or 10 on mg at all

8 is enough and its super fast if your COF char is already on 300 cor

yep xp tomes and arena echoes are your best friends

[true vessel]

cause you level by spending favor and MG has 2 ways todo so selling items Or buy them therefor you standing on 0 facvor to buy your items, besides swapping now leads into pure poverty

[fresh plover]

no u do NOT level by spending favor

thats the least efficient way to level

u gain levels of faction by killing mobs and the formula directly tied to XP u gain

on MG its actually way smarter to save favor to buyout all things u need on rank 7-8 and just farm mobs as fast as u can untill then

[true vessel]

stop telling bullSh1t even the olltip says its the fastest

[fresh plover]

🤷‍♀️

u do get faction xp by spending favor but the ratio is just not efficient, believe what u want

but best way to lvl is blast high corruption

[weary berry]

just use it to make gold its pointless to rush it

[true vessel]

1 favor is 2 faction xp but wwhateveer

[fresh plover]

Well i literally got rank 8 in 3-4 days from start so that time includes leveling to 100 and unlocking empowered monos and all that time i didnt even interracted much with bazar since servers were so unstable that if u go to bazar u mightve not came back to monoliths in 2 hours

[true vessel]

im not saying its not fast im saying its way slower than COF and swwitching now is wasted since everything is expensive for everyone who didnt start at the beginning

jesus

stop being alergic to math xD

easy :
if both keep leveling at the same pace they get same faction xp.
to progress on your build in MG you need to buy stuff in order to buy stuff you need gold therefor you need to spend favor on selling items.
if you spend the same amount of favor in COF you get your items of prophecies and can progress to higher corruption faster where you get more xpp therefor more favor.
whilst you need to stay on lower corruption on MG till you gain back favor to afford your iteemspiokes.

i leveld both to 10 and it took 30 hours less for COF than for MG

dude you probably get 20 to 30 k gold per echo but to progress rn i need items that cost 20-50 mil xD thats 2500 echoes to run per item

xD im sitting on 300M myself but cant progress cause noone selling my items on 4lp cause i maxed out my 3lp gear and i cant get past 2k corruption of it

now i need to farm an equal gear on MG to get back to COF and get my 4lp myself

[warm chasm]

can anyone share the loot filter?

for making some money

[true vessel]

dude i allready have 400 hours of playtime , i didnt say i get 20-30k per echo

i said you probably

your argumentation is totally invalid and not based on any numbers

you just cant admit being wrong

bye

[split valley]

I got rank 8 in one day

On 1200cp

[split valley]

You ain’t getting them in cof

I haven’t seen what I need even as lp2

[warm chasm]

can anyone share the loot filter to make some money with MG?

[jovial garden]

Is this an appropriate place to ask for price checks?

[true vessel]

well i found 4 4lps allready all in COF and didnt get to buy one in MG anyway

[split valley]

Random ones you don’t need right ?

[true vessel]

nah ^^

[split valley]

I’m coming from cof

[split valley]

You got 4 uniques lp4 that you need while doing cof ?

[true vessel]

2

[split valley]

All I had was random stuff high lp

And I couldn’t do anything with it as 4 lp

Cof was completely useless for me the entire time

Especially for my dungeon drop

[true vessel]

well guess it depends on builds. i can targetfarm my build on 3 bosses and tbh having the better odds of COF is huge there

[split valley]

Anyway I hope you get them all. It’s good to get them

Cof doesn’t affect mines so I agree. Build dependant I guess

My words of it being completely useless are invalid 😄

[true vessel]

i get yourr point but farming exalteds is easier in COF than on Market aswell, if you get your propheecies you get 100 of exalted for doing one boss ^^

[frail glacier]

huh

im not getting 4lp drops

[modest root]

For specific min max MG is always going to be better, there's really no debate about it, but general loot numbers CoF is better. One big thing missing from CoF IMO is not being able to use prophecies on boss drops

No amount of SSF bonuses is going to overtake the fact that over 100k people are searching for those items

[frail glacier]

yes bruh i only need boss drops and experimental rn so i have 600k useless favor

[split valley]

I’ve started as cof and did a lot of prophecies

I have one useful exalted that I used

Today I replaced it from mg

I’m 1 day in mg and made 85 million and have upgrades

Compared to the countless prophecies I did

[frail glacier]

85m from what?

[split valley]

4lp amulet

[frail glacier]

ah

[true vessel]

guess thats bad luck then, i started prophecies and forgot about them started to spend favor as i allread had like 300k ^^ and i only bought prophecies for same objective and ended up on like 3 unniques useable for my build and 14 exalted that where good fodder for my uniques

[split valley]

Yeah bad luck for getting what I need but when I get something rare I can’t make profit of it

[modest root]

CoF isn't bad, but when it comes to min max it will never beat MG

[split valley]

With mg I can mitigate that

[modest root]

I'm just using CoF because I don't want to end my league a week in

[true vessel]

depends on playtime

[modest root]

Negative, for the same playtime you'll never beat MG

[split valley]

Playtime it’s huge factor yes.

[true vessel]

thats not what i said xD

it still depends on playtime

[modest root]

I disagree, casual or hardcore MG is still better

I like CoF because I don't want to buy myself to BiS

[true vessel]

thats not objectively true xD

[modest root]

But in terms of pure efficiency MG is better

How not?

You need to spend less time farming to target buy items

A lot of builds also use boss loot

which CoF really barely helps for

Considering prophecies don't work on boss drops

I have almost 300 hours played in CoF and my gear still doesn't come close to my friends who started MG

[true vessel]

well you either need rtm to buy your uniques or you need to hard grind high tier gear to seal in order to afford your gear, whilst COF can straight up target farm his own gear.
besides COF is way better for slamming stuff into LP3 cause everything that you get through COF will be doubled . you get double daggers double rings, double the exalted for failed slams

[modest root]

you really don't need RMT at all

[true vessel]

whilst you need for Example a200mil for a 2LP Red Ring, and if the slam fails you need another 200 mil

which is far more grindy than COF

[zealous cargo]

If you want to minmax your build and push super high corruption and top the arena leaderboards you go MG. If you wanna enjoy a more casual SSF experience and not care about those 2 things you can go CoF.

[split valley]

Basically even if I had the best exalted from cof

I had nothing to slam them on 😄

[modest root]

It's all RNG based, MG is more directed

I have almost everything for my build LP2/LP3

from pure CoF

[split valley]

I haven’t seen a heart lp2 or neither my belt

[modest root]

but i have friends with 500M+ just from playing the same as me from the start

it also depends on teh build

if you're going to play a popular streamer build then MG is going to be rough still

but for example the marksman build when it was just on the chinese forums like at launch you could have gotten almost the entire build LP3/LP4 for under 100M

now it's like 1B for all that

[true vessel]

which justifies the argument that swapping now is just wasteed time

[modest root]

Depends on your timeline and time played for sure. Right now is definitely a tradeoff question

at the start of a cycle though it's been proven through multiple different examples that from a min/max perspective CoF will never beat MG, nor do I think it's meant to

My second account is MG and I'd argue if you're not playing a meta build or ahead of the meta you can still swap now and be fine

Like the Marksman build that just got popular has been around the Chinese forums literally since launch

[true vessel]

noone ever doubted thgat ^^

[modest root]

The guy who made the build bought almost the entire build LP3/LP4 for under 100M

as of last night the exact same planner puts you at like 2-3B

If you're trying to go MG now to play a super meta build, then yeah CoF might be better

But in terms of general efficiency and to get started i'd argue MG is still better

right now you can build and entire character with basic T20 gear and LP0 uniques for under 100k

[nimble falcon]

MG is way better to get up and going and try out different builds as its easy to gear character for early endgame
CoF has a higher limit as you can more easily find double/triple t7 items and really push your character but uniques with LP are in a tough spot for CoF

[modest root]

MG definitely has the higher limit imo because you can actually find LP4 gear

[nimble falcon]

depends on the build you go - alot dont need LP4

[modest root]

you said higher limit

in terms of pure min max LP4 is the limit

[nimble falcon]

sure, but theres plenty of builds that have slots with just dead affixes

and I'm pretty sure that double T7 on a LP3 is better than 1 T7 on Lp4

[modest root]

like what build? there's always a use for more damage or survivability, especially when you're talking 2k+ corruption

Yeah but you can also buy those T7s on MG as well

Almost any affix combo you ca think of MG has 2x T7 items of

which are much harder tofind in CoF

[nimble falcon]

If you want to spend your time refreshed all the shops you can - My build needs specific base types which cannot be replaced by uniques and it has only 2 of the T7 mods I need on the market as a whole much less any double exalted ones

[modest root]

what build

I mean I'm 300+ hours CoF because i played enough market trading in PoE

But I'll be the first to admit with my friends all going MG that MG is much better for min/max

Either I have terrible RNG or you're playing way more than me because I don't easily find double T6/T7 items with affixes I need

I spent 600k favor last night on daggers and never found a double T7 affix that I needed for my LP3

[nimble falcon]

Only 4 on the market for champion regalia with t7 increased armor

which is what my forge guard build needs

[modest root]

But you think your odds of finding a specific T7 affix on a specific base is higher on CoF?

[nimble falcon]

No - but the odds of finding T7 +T6 or T7 + T7 on that base is

[modest root]

good luck

i disagree, but RNG may be in your favor

Even at 1200 corruption, double exalted rarely drop even with prophecies at least for me

[nimble falcon]

Ive found that really all CoF needs is a little higher odds to get high LP on items that can feasibly roll high LP

[modest root]

It also needs a way to boost boss drops

[nimble falcon]

But with enough time that can also be mitigated and allow for higher min-max than MG

Yea that comes in the same vein, as they are all uniques

[modest root]

it's frustrating to spend 12 hours farming one item that could be bought on MG for 0 gold lol

[nimble falcon]

Honestly just replace that find all set items boon with something that raises LP rates

Then its very easily competitive if not better than MG

[modest root]

Yes higher LP rate on uniques and prophecies working on bosses

would put CoF very close

[nimble falcon]

MG does make off-meta builds gearing much faster - but I still think it has a lower height

[modest root]

Just the build I'm playing would disagree, man bought essentially a BiS set a week ago for 100M, i'm an extra 100 hours playing past him and still have barely LP2 items for everything

But it is build dependent

[nimble falcon]

Might also need to boost the rate of weavers will in the same vein as LP

I need t7 Str on my weavers relic and theres only one on the market that has just that by itself with lowest possible rolls

[modest root]

MG i think has the lower height if you're a casual, for a hardcore player it's definitely got the much higher ceiling

considering some of the hardcore players like Empyrian are sitting with billions

[nimble falcon]

But in that vein once you get enough money - enough favor - doenst the best way to play turn into refreshing the markets for what you're looking for instead of actually playing the game

[modest root]

Not really, it depends on what you want t odo

my friends check maybe two or three times a session

there's no downside to continuing to push corruption

[nimble falcon]

No really, how many items might you miss that would be a GG upgrade because someone else might be refreshing the shop, those double exalted items for BiS are at such a low drop rate that you might as well just hope someone else lists them

Nothing left to farm for at billions of gold

[modest root]

I mean if you're at that min max level

you're likely hitting a wall anyway

so either you start a new char or refresh the market

however you want to play the game is up to you

I hit a hard wall on my necro at 1300 corruption

and after over 50 hours of side farming couldn't find an upgrade

so i started a new char

for others, they either farm more gold or sit at the market

[nimble falcon]

Im just bringing up the fact that turns into the best way to play the game at a certain point and I think thats a terrible thing

well - the best way to get upgrades

[modest root]

Usually at that point you're not doing much else on CoF either

because you've likely hit a corruption wall

[nimble falcon]

Sure- but playing the game is still the optimal way to get new gear

[modest root]

Well because on CoF for me it's the only way to get new gear

[nimble falcon]

Rather than hitting a wall and just hoping an item gets listed

[modest root]

But after 50 hours of nothing, I just started a new char

Not being able to progress is just as bad as sitting in the market at least for me

[nimble falcon]

Yea - and on that new character you can still find upgrades for you other builds

but on MG you cant - because you'd have to be in the shop refreshing to find it

[modest root]

Assuming that's all you care about

My friends have been fine

checking 2/3 times

on new chars

for gear for other chars

For example you can play 1000 hours and never find an LP4 Exsang, at least you can target farm gold and eventually buy it on MG

[nimble falcon]

I mean a very very small amount of players will have hit that level, maybe even none

[modest root]

It's the paradox of meta builds right

if you play a non meta build, gear will be cheap but likely harder to find

but for example the wraithlord necro build, you can find the entire set at LP3/LP4 with double exalts on the market, I know this because my buddy has farmed his way up to almost BiS over the last week

CoF you're still relying on RNG, MG assuming it's not a super niche item you can have a goalpost for

[nimble falcon]

Sure but the longer you play - the higher the chances that CoF will out-perform MG

[modest root]

not if your build depends on uniques

MG will likely perform even better over time as more items are being found

[nimble falcon]

Players will drop and less items will get added to the market over time and if you plan to play a build into standard its going to be much harder than CoF

[modest root]

yeah MG in legacy is worthless

[nimble falcon]

I wonder if the current cycle MG content will get moved to legacy or not

all the listings and stuff

[tiny spire]

Probably, they can't really delete them or give them back to you

that would both be terrible

[nimble falcon]

yea.

[modest root]

If you plan to play a build into standard it's not hard to swap to CoF at that point

The amount of favor you farm at the end game is insane

At 1k corruption you can go R1-R10 CoF in about 15-20 hours of gametime

[nimble falcon]

I still think that playing CoF is just better at min-maxing if you have enough time to grind your uniques, and will very obviously be if they do add some way to get more LP than just the first 1. This is assuming months of gametime though

[modest root]

My plan for the next cycle is starting MG for the first 2 weeks then swap CoF when the playerbase likely slows down

[modest root]

The uniques are the issue, you're never going to run enough to get there imo

For example peak of the mountain is a relatively high LP4 rate, at .04%

But considering the fastest I can do a lightless arbor at T4 is like... 3-4 minutes at BEST

that's 200 hours of gametime minimum to get that

[nimble falcon]

God I just forgot all the statistics I learned

[modest root]

higher LP rates and a way to target farm boss uniques would be a step to bring CoF closer

I do agree that CoF is likely the guaranteed transition for most players once the burnout period hits.. which is usually 2-3 weeks for most ARPG seasons

[tiny spire]

for me its the same as poe

CoF is only if you really like SSF otherwise you won't have a great time I feel

[modest root]

CoF is way better than PoE SSF in most regards imo

But if you're playing a unique heavy build or boss unique heavy build

MG is going to be much better

[tiny spire]

This game has LP...

I wouldn't say that xD

You can't just find a unique and be happy in LE, in poe you can but LE is a different story

[modest root]

I would say that LP is a plus rather than a minus

PoE rarely relies on uniques

Or double corrupts

It's the rares where min max is near impossible

Very few builds require LP on uniques to function

LP if anything gives you a reason to keep playing

[nimble falcon]

CoF has much more reason to keep playing and MG just falls over after a few weeks

[tiny spire]

in poe you can play the game just fine without having to invest billions of currency into your gear, its all perspective at this point, but in LE if you wanna go further you need those use those LP to gain more power

same as poe but the gear limit in poe is much lower than LE I think

[modest root]

Gear limit in PoE is WAY higher

There are multiple builds in PoE that require multiple mirrors of currency to make a single piece of gear

[tiny spire]

kek

you sound like some poe youtube comments right now

xD

[modest root]

I mean I farmed 47 mirrors last season

It all depends on what you want

Both PoE and LE, realistically 99% of players will never hit BiS

SSF in PoE has a much different issue because you have to farm SO much to get upgrades after a certain point because there's not a lot of target farming in SSF

[tiny spire]

I think LE LP system makes it much harder to achieve the gear you would get in time in poe

the base game is much simpler

[modest root]

I think LE is much easier

I have almost everything LP2

and I'm CoF

I guess PoE also has a finite limit, you keep upgrading for your own personal reasons

Once you're 7/7 ubers, there's no real REASON to keep upgrading

LE, technically there's no limit so you would feel the need to keep upgrading

[velvet iris]

LE itemiziation is way simpler, just the fact that it's just 4 affixes / 5 if you seal vs 6 it's a big deal

[modest root]

It'll depend on how it evolves

[tiny spire]

PoE items don't break

LE is just luck so you have to grind for them to appear and be useful

[modest root]

what?

PoE items brick all the time

that's why PoE crafting is so frustrating

[tiny spire]

Depends on your crafting

LE only has one way

and if it breaks you can't do anything

go find another base xD

[nimble falcon]

PoE crafting is just hideout simulator spending until the RNG hits

[modest root]

LE is also still early

[nimble falcon]

LE is playing game simulator where u play until the RNG hits

[modest root]

People forget that PoE base game was even simpler than LE crafting

[velvet iris]

i think what you define as breaking or bricking is not what poe playerbase truly difines as breaking / bricking

[tiny spire]

poe items don't take that much time to craft stop exaggerating

[modest root]

okay, so you're just a basic player

[nimble falcon]

Good ones most certainly can

[tiny spire]

If you want to craft your whole gear in one sitting yea you'll get stuck for a while

[velvet iris]

tell that to my mirror tier evasion / es chest that took roughly 13h

[modest root]

mirror tier items can take weeks

[copper bramble]

Is there a website where I can check the floor price of an item so I can know if I should sell it?

[modest root]

of farming

[tiny spire]

How many mirror items have you made ?

[modest root]

my bis minion helm required 13 mirrors of gear

[tiny spire]

Any of you here in chat

[modest root]

I have a mirror shop i can DM you

[nimble falcon]

Just 1

[tiny spire]

Have you made them

And why

[nimble falcon]

Because I wanted to

[modest root]

because i enjoy crafting my own gear

[tiny spire]

And was it needed to play the game ?

[velvet iris]

made for myself, ran a mirror service

[nimble falcon]

It was needed to upgrade the build

[tiny spire]

You can stop way earlier than finishing a mirror item and still destroy the game

[nimble falcon]

which is the game

[modest root]

you don't need ANY lp gear to play the game

[tiny spire]

this is not a discussion about mirror items, thats the same as saying LP4 uniques are needed

[velvet iris]

if you can just not get hit you can literally solo all ubers on a 40c budget miner

[modest root]

Ben literally just did 7/7 HCSSF in all blue gear

so no, you don't need gear in PoE

[velvet iris]

Ben is something else

[modest root]

but you don't need gear in LE either unless youre pushing super high corruption

[tiny spire]

yeah the game is much simpler, just pick a few passives and you can do empowered monoliths

[modest root]

most builds will go to 500 corruption

with 0 exalts and 0 lp gear

[nimble falcon]

PoE has highest tier content possible LE Doesnt

LE has unlmiited difficulty

[velvet iris]

so does poe, it's called delve

[tiny spire]

oh god not delve

C_C

[velvet iris]

but it's not a matter of poe vs LE or what's better

LE is SIMPLER than POE and that IS NOT A BAD THING

[tiny spire]

Every time you see the notification "x person has gone to 91351234 depth" my soul hurts inside when thinking someone is playing delve that much xD

[surreal edge]

How do you raise the reputation price of an item?

[tiny spire]

You can't, it depends on the type of item it is, you can only ask the price you want

[surreal edge]

How come I see the same Item I want to sell in MG, for higher rep price?

[tiny spire]

it costs less favor to list an item than to buy it

[surreal edge]

Gotcha

Thanks

[modest root]

I'll be ucrious to see how LE itemization changes going forward

[surreal edge]

Favor* oof

[modest root]

People forget that the PoE base game only had the crafting bench and crafting currency

[copper bramble]

Is there an easy way to check prices on items as I find them?

[chrome spear]

it's also always someone unhinged like shitstain_steve last league

[modest root]

Which made crafting actually even simpler than LE now

[velvet iris]

since when is lack of deterministic crafting / metamod being the best deterministic way of crafting stuff better than actually selecting which affixes to use????

[tiny spire]

Someone was beyond steve at some point

just insanity

[chrome spear]

💀

[modest root]

Steve accidentally deleted his main item

And was working with some streamers to help him continue pushing

[tiny spire]

oh god

[chrome spear]

oh that hurts

[modest root]

yeah he thought he was crafting his new mirror tier upgrade

and accidentally bricked his current mirror tier item

which sidelined him for a bit

[chrome spear]

[modest root]

his issue wasn't currency since he had like 20+ mirrors to rebuild his piece

it's one of the main issues of PoE, no AH

So he needed streamer help to mass gather crafting mats

[modest root]

No one is saying one is better / worse

I like the simplicity of LE crafting

[chrome spear]

do you know what build he used? I'm not up to date on delve meta

[modest root]

Some mana build, dont remember

[chrome spear]

ahh no worries

[nimble falcon]

manaforged arrows I think

[modest root]

I am a little concerned that EHG is already exploring a potential third faction

I think there's enough feedback for CoF / MG that should be addressed first personally

[chrome spear]

yea there's plenty to improve for the existing factions

[nimble falcon]

What would be the third?

[modest root]

wasn't stated

said they're looking into another

i guess a crafting one could be cool

[nimble falcon]

any idea where?

honestly a third crafting one sounds cool - but not yet

they need more crafting stuff in there first

[timid helm]

Can any1 help me price a small idol? Its 7 mana / 8% increased fire damage and minion damage. Cant search the fire damage on market. Please help. Its perfect rolled

[prisma bronze]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1b7w63e/an_idea_for_the_3d_faction_artisan_guild/

[nimble falcon]

you cant react to things in this server with emotes what

👎

[copper bramble]

What's the point of having so many items listed for 0 gold in the bazaar?

[nimble falcon]

The players have to list items to use favor and increase their rank

[copper bramble]

you don't get favor just from killing mobs?

[nimble falcon]

You do - but spending that favor gets you reputation which increases your rank

and the only way to spend it is list items or gamble at the gambler guy

[prisma bronze]

They had to revoke those privileges during the first week because things got super out of hand in general.

[copper bramble]

Ty ty - didn't know there was a gambler guy

[split valley]

i was praying to get some lp2 on cof

havent even dreamed about lp3 that i need from bosses

[modest root]

I don't know how you didn't get LP2 from CoF

I'm pretty much all LP2

with a couple LP3

[split valley]

i had some but not the ones i need

[modest root]

It depends on the rarity I guess

[split valley]

1 barbute lp2

and it had rank on it from the cof

[modest root]

Barbute is super common isn't it?

I can't access teh database from work so can't tell

[split valley]

well i had a bilion prohpecies as well

gazilion lp1 from it

[modest root]

There are some items that you will likely only ever see

in MG

[split valley]

not a single heart lp2

[modest root]

Like an LP4 Exsang

to get it solo is near impossible

[split valley]

i had it

s switched to mg and on my first day lp4 exsang

thats the amulet right ?

[modest root]

No

the ward chest

[split valley]

ah my bad

[modest root]

If you're talking Xib, that's super common

[split valley]

yes

[modest root]

it's actually one of the items that you likely will find an LP4 on over time

according to the database the odds of finding that LP4 amulet is actually higher than finding a LP3 exsang body armour

[split valley]

i had an lp3 laddle thats not from cof

[modest root]

I have like 4 LP3 ladles

I have almost a full stash tab of LP3

My main issue with CoF is boss uniques

[split valley]

yes exactly that

i use 2 but even for the rest of my gear they were non existent

[modest root]

what build

[split valley]

torment ignite

i also had 10 pairs of gloves lp2

never lp3

i dont want to play 500 hours to get some lp3 for my build

[modest root]

Yeah for uniques MG will always be better

just because everyone's doing the content

[split valley]

and the spell power belt will be probably forever to get lp3

unless the rng gods are with me

but when thousands of people are there the chance increases and i can buy lp3

im not after god tier rolls on lp4 😄

just some lp3 for my build here and there or at least one at a time per 100 hours 😅

[modest root]

I'll probably cycle start MG next season, just sticking with CoF for now because there are so many builds I want to play

[solar elm]

Question, how do I gain favor in the merchants guild? I I have COF on another char and its doing well, but this merchant guild is ....making me miss something I think

[hot echo]

Buy and sell stuff

[solar elm]

trying to sell but just starting it, not really gaining any favor from it

[hot echo]

You gain 2x what you post in fees

[modest root]

you gain favor from the same thing in CoF, just playing the game

but you need to spend the favor by buying/selling

[native zenith]

You know what would be neat is if merchants guild had a familiar or pet that picked stuff up for you.

[neon cloud]

opposite for me lol

the build i want to play is stupid expensive

easier as COF

[modest root]

depends on your playtime I guess, normally if you can get some decent playtime in week 1 you can get items for relativel ycheap

Also depends on your build

boss specific uniques are horrible for CoF because there's nothing that CoF does for it

[oblique seal]

any tool to help price check things?

[fluid carbon]

Has anyone tried switching factions?

[true vessel]

yes

best thing todo tho is get yourself an alt on the same faction you are rn, this way you dont l ose your favor

[plain sierra]

can someone help me im kind of stuck im lvl 91 and just reached empowered but mobs are to streong

[fluid carbon]

How do you get items when u switch? I mean you lose all your hard earned items yeah? Also is there a cd when u switch?

[true vessel]

there is no cd and you dont lose the items you just cannot use them. they are market at the bottom right with the faction symbol. switching will make you unable to use those, but you can use them again if you should switch back

[fluid carbon]

so i can switch anytime.. So after u switch faction, how did u slowly level the other faction?

[silk hawk]

kill mobs

the usual stuff

[fluid carbon]

Yeah but now you dont have gear and you are around 500 corruption

[silk hawk]

do monos with less corrupt, or bring your corrupt down

[true vessel]

try to get some gear like weaker versions of yours on 0lp go down corruption

if you dont buy that gear you can switch with it

[fluid carbon]

Cuz what im thinking is gear my main with MG then farm gear for my alt

but then I guess it wont happen cuz it will be faction locked

[true vessel]

no

if you farm it yourself its not faction locked

just bought items are faction locked on MG , and any unique where you slam a bought exalted on

[fluid carbon]

Yeah this is what i was planning

Gear my main using bought items

and then switch to CoF

oh well

so for you guys, you have to get Lucky with 2-3 LP for you to sell?

[glass narwhal]

no. a non lp red ring sells good as well

[fluid carbon]

and u cant target farm yeah?

[glass narwhal]

that ring can drop anywhere if ur asking where the ring dropped. i got one non lp red ring corrupt 100 in one of the empowered mono.. and also an amulet lp4 in corrup 100 as well

[fluid carbon]

Oh no i mean like u cannot target farm unlike CoF where u can kill mobs and you get this x drop.. Something like that

[glass narwhal]

no MG is just replaying over and over till get loot and sell the item. with gold u can purchase item based on faction lvl by killing mobs

[outer quail]

has there been a dupe with the last step of the living boots? there are specific 2lp boots that have multiple copies which seems odd

[fluid carbon]

Yeah im thinking how will I go without any gears, or just magic gears

[upper mist]

I thought MG was leagues ahead of CoF but after seeing the prices or 2-3 LP ward items I am not so sure anymore haha

[fluid carbon]

How much are they? but maybe they are used for popular builds

[upper mist]

exsanguinous 3LP 85kk

and I got 2 when I was in CoF

[fluid carbon]

wait what??? 85mil?

[orchid elm]

can anyone give me a tp to bazaar?

[upper mist]

the cheapest one

[fluid carbon]

Holy cow

[upper mist]

I blame chinese gold sellers

[fluid carbon]

Yeah true

Thing with CoF is you have to get lucky

been farming for a 3lp exsan for 2 weeks now

[modest root]

Really has less to do with RMT and more the CoF farming method

People were farming 3-5M/hr easy with it before the nerf

MG is always going to benefit the no lifers

Only good thing is that because of no reselling all you need is to get lucky with one GG item and that can fund an entire build

[fluid carbon]

You mean CoF?

[modest root]

No, MG

CoF is still very RNG limited

There are streamers that have pushed since Day 1 sitting on billions of gold

Also CoF pretty much does nothing for builds that use boss uniques

[upper mist]

Imagine getting a 3LP exsan as a casual

[modest root]

I’ve run Lightless Arbor over 150 times and haven’t found an LP3 Helm

[upper mist]

Yup, MG is way ahead on exalted and boss items

CoF maybe is a little better a very expensive non boss items

[modest root]

If you plan to run multiple builds CoF has a lot of benefits

[violet birch]

I think if you have some gear that wasn't dropped by circle of fortune modifiers (you can tell that it doesn't have the CoF icon on the item), you will still be able to equip it when you switch

[modest root]

I have 300 hours in CoF and have six characters all geared decently

But my friends who are MG are way more min max than me

Yeah if you plan on switching make sure you have gear ready that isn’t faction specific

What I did was start an alt on a different faction