💰┃merchants-guild

[strong crater]

if you made trading available to everyone they would still be rare to obtain since obviously being able to trade doesn't make them more available now either... but I don't know where the devs will be going, I'm quite excited to see, they seem very open to feedback on reddit

[native gorge]

yes, they need to make sure theres still a mirror-tier of gear, pinnacle gear

[strong crater]

I highly doubt they're going to get rid off the split-up between MG and CoF even though I personally think it would be better for the gear (someone above suggested making CoF a season mechanic and trading available to everyone, I kind of agree)

[quiet oxide]

just add a vaal orb and end game gearing will be very interesting

[native gorge]

ah yes, void gear

[strong crater]

if they wanted to add some sort of factions with reputations they could still do so on top, wild suggestions, stuff like increased drop rate on certain gear pieces

[quiet oxide]

that will just make people play less because they get what they want faster

[south cosmos]

This is what I feel MG is missing. For example, there is different tiers of gear like early, mid, early end, mid end, late end and pinnacle gear. MG right now is I feel is missing the mid-late end. Cause there is not enough people or people don't know what to price or people just dont bother to even list it

[strong crater]

most people (me included) seem to just set arbitrary prices and hope someone will buy the gear. They'll never relist it (due to cost of favor) and it just stays on there forever

[south cosmos]

And also the pricing in this game is wild for some gear LP3 is going for like 150k and the same gear but LP4 is going for 10 million

[heady cedar]

Well i suppose i wouldn't mind too much if we got some CoF stuff to play with while leveling MG but all the CoF drops were bound to account. Would make people feel better about the MG grind i suppose.

[vital sail]

just adjust die guild levels that whenever gear becomes avaible to drop u can also buy it

[strong crater]

this is one of the things that happens when you severely limit a market like they're doing right now by locking people behind a huge grind

[solid otter]

how can Rune of Creation be used for profit? if you dupe a non tradable item does the new copy remain untradable?

[native gorge]

We just need affix range searches, and a price lookup tool, and it'd all be fine

[quiet oxide]

they really need to reduce favor cost for 1lp items, 8k for 1lp is crazy

[south cosmos]

yeah for CoF as you level the rep you get better drop rates on stuff (incremental upgrades) but for MG you can only access exalted stuff at R7 which is like lv 93-94. So if you pick MG you probably would be stuck with rare gears (purchased from MG) until you can purchase those exalted or you get really lucky and it drop exalted that is better than those rare gear you handpicked. At this point, MG feels like hardcore and CoF is on easy mode

[vital sail]

tbh i think those prices are fineish, just let me buy the goddam item, cant even be bothered to grind guild lvl 5 to 6, even the need of spending all the favour to increase your level just feels like your wasting ur points

[remote orbit]

as long as the item wasn't bought, both items don't receive the trade tag I think?

[quiet oxide]

1lp costing close to the same as 2lp is bad because most of the time 1lp is 30-40 times more common than 2lp, which makes 1lp items have 0 gold value

[fallow tartan]

Is it possible to buy and sell keys in the Bazaar?

[crisp juniper]

Wer need mroe ways to earn favor or a significant buff to favor earned for killing mobs

[weary berry]

we dont just do higher corruption and u will see

[vital sail]

i get where your coming from, i still think changing it so that you actual get some value from spending your favor would be a bigger step to improvement

[remote orbit]

No

[fallow tartan]

Ty

[crisp juniper]

It would be dope if once you are in merchant guild the gold tooltip for items is now a range of whats in the bazaar cause it would take an extreme amount of time to do a look up

[compact patio]

Lucky? You are full exalted gear before level 94. Using crafting system.

[crisp juniper]

Added this idea to suggestions form let me know what you guys think. Also if agreed please help get idea out by sharing it as well

[Merchant Guild - Quality Of Life]
Quick suggestion for the Merchant's Guild trading system in Last Epoch. Could we add a price range indicator for items when trading within the guild? It'd mirror the in-game NPC gold value, but show a min-max range that items are going for in the guild's market.

This would help us quickly figure out a fair trading price without having to manually check each NPC or sift through the item subtypes/categories. It's all about making trading more efficient and keeping us in the action.

[signal idol]

i don't thing that's feasible, it would mean all items are live searched all the time, add in that often you don't wanna search all exacts mods, or maybe just a combo of 2 etc and it's basically not happening both from a server load and filtering mods, best we can get is basically good search.
maybe for uniques it could work but it's another system altogether (again live search is most likely not an option)

[crisp juniper]

This wouldn't need to be within current server there could be a dedicated lambda / db (aws dynamodb) this could be an endpoint executed once someone sends a new request to the service that would update the price. all the game has to do is make the call for item picked up by player once per new item if there are updates

If you find an item that you already got the latest data for there wouldn't be any calls for it and since its in an edge same data would be cached and served to people in your region so server load for this service would be hella low if implemented right and efficient

[light rivet]

U should be talking about this in your post not here because this will get lost

[signal idol]

this happening for every piece of gear you pick up multiplied by all the players, plus the actual price checking goes back to the actual bazaar cause it's there where you'll find the prices.
Add in that 99% of the item you prolly don't even care about checking and the earlier problem of getting an accurate estimate is really hard with automation (hence people asking price checking 24/7 like in poe)

[vast coyote]

rofl I got a maehlin hubris lp 2 but I dont have favor to sell it, 1m worth'

[crisp juniper]

@signal idol Read my optimization suggestion, but i do agree with you; you may not need this for every piece of gear so this feature could be reserved for a higher rank and or "hot items - items constantly searched for" @light rivet thanks yeah i posted there, just came here for feed back and to poke at the idea haha

[signal idol]

i said that earlier too, this could work for uniques probably, but rares, how do you distinguish them? i personally think just actual good search filters + a pop up window for search for when you find something you think it's "cool" and be able to do it yourself would do, should be easier to implement and less headache, don't know how many years could take a system like that to get perfected.
With that said, we shouldn't discuss this here so let's move it if we are gonna continue it
EDIT: I just realized.... i just described awakened poe trade... seems i like that thing lol, but i do think it works great for poe, so why not here too.

[light rivet]

Yes but the devs don't read here so talking about it where your post is thats gunna be better then this I get asking for suggestions and what not u could just link them to your post

[crisp juniper]

Agreed, also not sure where else we can talk freely about this specific idea in suggestion forms it's 6 hr wait; Also to add to your idea maybe if we had a chat that showed items sold recently for a user defined price range? If your rank is 5+

[crisp juniper]

Yeah just need to know where and ill head over there I don't wanna take up space for price checks either I agree devs also not looking here lol

[signal idol]

alright one last, since i tought there was a space to talk about this and there doesn't seem like there is.
The idea i like, more than once on poe i got people thinking "this is worth a lot" but forget... you gotta sell that crap for it to be worth.
On the other hand i'd avoid it, since it again makes requests to servers and i would prefer they kept that a minimum, it's not THAT important imo and it also of course introduces problems, show too little and it's useless, show too much and you're getting spammed, bugs aside.

[vast coyote]

Im barely rank 5, is there a way to speed up this?

[light rivet]

@vague crag is there anyway to open a suggestion forum for MG suggestion for improvements I dont see on there

[weary berry]

push corruption

[astral python]

use Favor to buy amulet from the bazaar gambler for twice the rep gain

[vast coyote]

I feel cof players have more advantages early

[signal idol]

push corruption as far as you can so you get more xp, go for xp tomes (those give favour also)
It is kinda annoying that to get gear to push corruption you need to push corruption first tho xD

[crisp juniper]

Agreed

[vast coyote]

I'm 76 atm I haven't unlocked empowered timelines yet and I need gear urgently

[heady cedar]

Any reasonable build can run empowered monos easily with rares and self found exalteds. You don't need uber market gear to run corruption 100 😛

[signal idol]

don't underestimate t20 rares tho, you can get them early, only few times you NEED t4-5s for a build to function (some mana reduction stuff comes to mind), try to get t15 items with the t5 equivalent of the exalted mod

[solid sapphire]

best way to level it up?

[vast coyote]

is it bad that I'm in full unique without LP? rares can perform better than some of them?

[heady cedar]

Yes it's very bad. You're doing it wrong.

Only use a few build defining uniques, the rest should be rares exalteds.Later with high LP you can replace some of those.

[signal idol]

unless it's a build enabling one, yeah rares are better most of the times, if you're following a build and it's well made it should have a section for that.
Keep in mind the game was SSF until just launch

[vast coyote]

ah so they must be absolutely necessary

I will buy rares then because if I wait for good exalted it will take forever

[signal idol]

yeah, if you got for triple t5 good mods should be easy, search for double t3 mods with good forging potential and open affix you wanna add, worst case is like t5-t5-t4/3 but it'll serve you well

[spare blaze]

How does the gambler give you more rep what way does it work? I have 20k favour to spend

[mossy grotto]

1 favor=2rep something like that

[cyan widget]

There is a better monolith to farm for increasing the money you generate per hours?

[signal idol]

It doesn't, any favour spent is 2 rep, it's just way faster than listing crap for 0

[signal idol]

Check boss uniques and see if those are worth something, mostly check 0 lp since those are most likely (also maybe roll ranges to be more precise with the price)
with that said The stolen lance is a good one, the unique idol is like 100kish and body can be good too (haven't checked in a while)

[cyan widget]

So other than boss drops it's the same thing right?

[signal idol]

Small differences mainly unique nodes, like one mono will have rings another amulet, but not much else going on

[drifting carbon]

anyone willing to sell exsanguinous 0lp or peak of the mountain 0lp for cheap

[worldly shard]

Ye this is a huge slap into MG

https://youtu.be/9HY5Giy0UBU?si=raP3vvdqU6ZLy3Pt

[molten spindle]

back in my days each player had its individual stall and you had to check 1 by 1

[remote orbit]

who's that

[cyan widget]

I'm playing Blast Rain and I can't go more than 110 corruption, what it can be? Somebody can help me pls?

[cobalt mural]

Hey, is there any public API or similar source where one can grab current listings and maybe selling stats? its so tedious rn to check what an iteam could be sold for

[thin harness]

how come? with MG i can target buy the items i need with LP instead of relying on rng

[vital sail]

only after u leveld the guild, u can literaly find/craft better itersm than you are able to buy

[remote orbit]

you can buy rares at rank 1 though

[thin harness]

well it took me 4 days to get from 0 to rank 8 so it aint bad.
Ive already COF lvl 9 and didnt like grinding and not getting the item i want or i get it with 1 LP

[signal idol]

it's true midgame MG sucks, but i choose it cause i would be able to spam legendaries till i got what i wanted, it does what i wanted, could use some more fun with missions and stuff tho

[tame swift]

Can you see how much stuff costs without being in the MG?

[drifting carbon]

anyone willing to sell exsanguinous 0lp or peak of the mountain 0lp for 100k

[remote orbit]

idk, all i have is one exalted staff and mostly rares outside of the uniques i need for my build, and i'm doing corruption okay. Like I'm not pushing high corruption but still.

[signal idol]

i think one of the problems is new players thinking "i can get everything from market" (for which i don't blame em at all), if you just use MG as a supply of stuff to then craft yourself i think it works (well, aside from lacking tons of QoL)

[remote orbit]

Yeah I mostly buy stuff I can craft on. I have to question what other people are doing if they think rares are bad or not worth it and just rushing to exalts, idk. Something just seems off to me with how people speak about the issue. That isn't to say I don't think getting rank 7 hasn't been taking me a while. It is kind of long.

[wheat bramble]

Is market down?

[languid juniper]

for me it is, getting errors searching/posting items

[hidden lichen]

market dead again? :( sadge

[wheat bramble]

Not completely dead, seems like it lagging a bit though

[hidden lichen]

brb, sacrificing my neighbor's last dog for a blood sacrifice to get the Market back up! (jk, but, ugh)

[signal idol]

it's just new players that don't wanna deal with any of that and just buy the stuff pre-made, which MG isn't made for, at least it's not hitting that spot if it was intended for that.
For whoever is used to make stuff by themselves i think MG works, look for my T6-7 affix, check if i can work out with the others and pray RNG doesn't screw me over, kinda works even with 1 affix and tier filter (still crappy tho)

[wheat bramble]

Last dog? You've done it before? xd

[remote orbit]

I suppose so yeah

[hidden lichen]

no, but it's fun to say :P

[polar wind]

Does opening a Merchant Chest in the wild give you favor/rep? Because if it doesn't - it should...

[hidden lichen]

whew, seems back up, for now -- sorry Floofy!

[signal idol]

your sacrifice won't be forgotten.. now back to searching stuff to fails on again..

[hidden lichen]

back to sacrificing gear!

[polar wind]

If you look at it from a marketing perspective (like from IRL, no necessarily LE): People would be drawn to Bigger numbers when it comes to what they want.

So if they want Intelligence and I see a +10 item (with crafting potential still on it) and another at +12 (but already crafted), then as an Impulse -> You go for the +12, because Thinking about how you would turn a +10 into more is another action in your head and that doesn't come right away.

[signal idol]

while that's true, i think the issue is people following a guide which says "gets these stats" and they won't settle for anything that doesn't have those, not saying what you said it's not a problem, but not the main issue imo (there'll be people who won't settle for non-ex gear since guide suggests them of course)

[vital sail]

sadly that sounds like the exception, im around lvl 85 right now and guild lvl i gues 5/close to 6 and it just feels like i got punished for going MG cause i cant buy equipment that would be a real upgrade and cant swap guilds cause i would lose access to the stuff i allready bought
just grinding for guild level feels bad aswell specialy cause u basicly need to waste all the favor since price checking is a torture, so im in that weird spot where i can barely get myself to play the game anymore

[rough narwhal]

same deal. You can't even buy most exalt gear until rank 7. So unless you are playing a build with an OP meta skill or had insane drop luck, you hit a massive wall in early empowered monoliths and barely can improve your build until MG rank 8 (100+hrs for a casual player). You have to beat the hardest dungeon and boss in the game to create LP items which is a catch-22.

[signal idol]

one thing they could do is to have a tier in which you get T6 exalts and not T7s, quick and easy, maybe not optimal, but i doubt we getting anything for this cycle (we're also "just" a bit more than a week in, did they want the grind to take longer or shorter, like what was their mark)

[compact turtle]

i had 2 chars - lvl 88 and lvl 93 by the time i got to rank 8, just my 2 cents, you'll get there just by playing fast enough, if you giga casual then probably CoF is a better deal, but if you planning to actively trade your limiting factor probably going to be favor, even if you're running high corruptionos

[signal idol]

favour isn't a problem at high rank, gold is what you lack

[quiet sierra]

Has anyone tried directly trading other players? MG says you can directly trade player to player but IDK the requirements for that - do you both have to be MG and spend favor?

[remote orbit]

No idea I just use the bazaar

[vital sail]

gues im just to used to my PoE playstyle, play one char into endgame and buy the upgrades on the way
it feels terrible to get forced to basicly start a second char just to level MG and even then i would be to scared to run into the same wall with my second char cause i have no idea how long the grind on guild level 6+ takes

[signal idol]

you don't need to make a second char, but you do need to not mess up and have some knowledge on how to get going without buying exalted items, we were doing just fine even before the release and it was purely SSF (they did nerf the drops by 30%, but it's not like game breaking)

[remote orbit]

I will say, even though I think doing corruption on rares is fine even if you can't push high, the level / rank ratio does feel a bit off. Mike said in the stream they don't intend a majority of players to get to the last two ranks, level 100, or something. But I'm 92 and still rank 6 and that feels bad.

[lusty yacht]

I just hit level 100 and im rank 8 1/2 sooo ya its a biiiggg grind im 80 hours in?

[quiet sierra]

EXP book rushing helps with ranks (the favor at lesat)

[signal idol]

if lv 100 and rank 10 is their definition of "most people shouldn't get it", i gotta say, they put the bar real low, it's still a barrier for most people but anyone dedicated enough will find it really easy, or poe just messed up my perception of "most people shouldn't get it"

[remote orbit]

Yeah it's not as hard as PoE

[lusty yacht]

I think "most people" only play a cycle/season 40 or less hours on average. things just get skewed when people on twitch playing for 2k hours per season

[vital sail]

oh it certainly is part my fault that im in this situation now, played EA and had fun, on release i went with the new warlock and created my own build which was decent enough even tho became more and more into the meta builds
gues my main problem is, that i dont want to level to ~93 just to be able to actualy use the MG properly while CoF gets upgrade all along the way, feels like MG was a trap and i went into it

[compact turtle]

iirc rank 8 was 500k, rank 9 about 700 and 10 is 1.4 or 1.5m, its definitely a slog last 2, but i also dont feel like they're worth, at least not for me, i dont plan to buy legendaries anyway, rather slam l3-l4 bases myself i can buy at rank 8

[weary berry]

the problem with legendaries you need to find the unique and exalted item yourself to be able to trade it

[signal idol]

mid game MG definetly needs a tweak, i'm not gonna sit here and pretend everyone can get lv 100 and rank 10 in a few days

[signal idol]

rank 9 and 10 are a joke (just for weawer's will items), you can only sell legendaries you make from scratch, find the LP unique AND the good exalt to slam, only then you can sell it, it's precisely because i don't wanna do that that i'm in MG, doesn't make any sense lol

[compact turtle]

no argument there, the system needs a rework, not a total overhaul, but they need to rebalance it a lot so it doesnt feel pointless in the midway and in the very end

[remote orbit]

I hope they read this channel, we have good discussions here lol

[halcyon tiger]

Rank 8 is basically enough and it's not that hard to achieve tbh.

[weary berry]

ye and when u get rank 8 you're pretty much done there is not much content atm

[signal idol]

i just keep going cause i want to get almost BiS, but yeah, would be done otherwise (should make more builds/chars... maybe will, but that's just not my thing, i make 1 char and min-max as far as i can reasonably)

[halcyon tiger]

Wdym? Raising up corruption, go for leaderboards, make an alt or kill T4 julra (If you havent yet).. can't get this comment. Ye well no content in MG

[signal idol]

at rank 8 you def killed julra a bunch of times tho, whole reason to make legendaries, but do people just rank t3 or something? (genuinely asking, i like to only run t4)

[halcyon tiger]

I'm at rank 8 and have not killed t4 julra yet?

[signal idol]

but that should be pretty high in your list of things to do no?
like now you have access to LP uniques and exalteds to make legendaries right, not sure how long have you been lv 8

[vital sail]

well its good to know that im not crazy and actualy a couple people feel unhappy with how MG works, the youtube video that smbdy posted earlier says it basicly all

maybe im just gonna give up on my char and make a second one CoF, cause i like the game in general

[remote orbit]

Does anyone know if hardcore mg is separated from softcore?

[halcyon tiger]

Yeah.. it's probably next on my list. Got My corruption up to 270 earlier and have been farming rep there lately for that rank 8, which i got today.

[signal idol]

i don't think anyone says MG's mid game or filters and having 200 merchants to run to is good
@remote orbit hope so, would be kinda messed up otherwise

[remote orbit]

I like the merchants 😡

[signal idol]

i remember when i rushed 8... super excited just to realized i had no favour left to actually buy the pieces rofl (that's what i get for calculating roughly exactly what i needed)

[fading stirrup]

still no armor shred at the filters....

[signal idol]

but you're not gonna say you like the walk between them are you? 😄

[halcyon tiger]

But we should be able to have access to our inventory and stash while trade window is open. Now it closes and resets it If you open your inventory

[remote orbit]

I don't really care one way or the other, it doesn't take that long. Running back and forth does though yeah, but I stopped trying to price check so I don't do it anymore. I just post my gut feeling now.

Which opens up they need to make it easier to price check of course.

[vital sail]

what works is to open your inventory first and than talk to the trader, atleast that way you can still look up all the mods and dont have to remember it
to actualy click the search button you have to close it tho 😄

[signal idol]

oh yeah, i ended up doing the same thing, also you can access your sales so you can compare there, at least works for me since i deal in my niche of items and don't wanna bother with other stuff, when that doesn't make me money anymore i'll research new stuff

[halcyon tiger]

Yeah I've been doing this.. still it's not a good solution for that at all 😄

[near wolf]

anybody know if you switch to cof and go back to merchants a week later, will your items still be up for sale during that week in cof?

[remote orbit]

Don't know.

[teal kestrel]

Someone here rank 8 willing to help me buy a armor real quick?

[near wolf]

cannot trade after buying right?

[teal kestrel]

dont know tbf

[halcyon tiger]

Can't help you with it.. as If you are not rank 8 it can't be traded for you.. and yeah.. items can be traded only once anyways..

[remote orbit]

No, items can only be traded once.

[teal kestrel]

damn, thanks anyways. Do u by chance have Exsanguinous armor i can buy straight off of u instead then?

[near wolf]

yep

[halcyon tiger]

Player to player trade follows same rules and rank requirements as trading in bazaar.

[teal kestrel]

Kinda stupid

[halcyon tiger]

Not rly... It's very good solution to avoid RMT. Devs likes that you actually play the game

And even with these restrictions rmt cannot be fully avoided, but sure it makes The situation better.

[teal kestrel]

Still is very stupid with the current economy situation. LP armors are way cheaper then without LP.. which should be the case, but it is. And it makes it almost impossible to get anything u need without spending millions of gold, that you dont have until u reach rank 10, so in this sense, it is very stupid. ofc RMT should be avoided, but fix economy sitaution before doing all that other stuff

[rose heath]

Having not tried Merchants Guild yet, how much favor does it cost to buy items from the marketplace?

[remote orbit]

Depends on the item, I think Tier 7 exalted is 4200? 4800? something like that

[halcyon tiger]

Well players creating The economy by themselfs.. idk. There is alot of cheap and free normal uniques as well

[rose heath]

Does item type matter? Is there a formula or is it a set amount depending on item type?

[halcyon tiger]

And imo you shouldn't have too easy way to LP uniques at the beginning of the game.. as it's The end game stuff in this game

[remote orbit]

I don't think item type matters, just rarity.

[timid oyster]

have the devs explicitly said they will patch QOL improvements to the merchants guild in this cycle?

I know they're aware of QOL changes the community wants / what the system needs

[signal idol]

not that i know of, kinda silent on it, but on the other hand, it's still just like 10 days in or something like that (could detract some more since we all know all launch went), pretty sure they would want to wait and get more data on it before acting on it/announcing stuff

[timid oyster]

thanks

[rough narwhal]

why are you blaming the players? It's the game design's fault. The reason LP items are cheaper than non-LP items is because almost the entire MG playerbase can't buy them at the moment

[halcyon tiger]

Blaming the players? What? Just saying that in my opinion LP uniques are not meant to be early game stuff which is good that those are locked behind rank 8 in mg.

to be able to buy them at some point when played enough is just a huge plus and just in My opinion (could be without any trade at all as well)

[distant shale]

is there a way to hide all the one you cant buy on bazar?

[signal idol]

if it's about uniques, just filter with max lp = 0, for other items choose rarity = rare in the top

[warm ruin]

If i select merchants guild on a new character, does that erase the reputaion ranks i have with CoF on another? or is it only shared if i pick the same

[grim flint]

Hey guys , DM me if u are interested in a complete pricelist of all Uniques ingame . 🙂 (spent 4 hours to look up every Uniques min. LP and min. WW req to be worth something). Keep up the Grind my guys and enjoy ur Weekend ❤️

[signal idol]

it's always shared afaik, but it's all second hand info from other people, didn't do myself, wait for confirmation from someone else if you wanna be 100% sure

[livid aspen]

man, in PoE I could be listing all these off-meta drops, and most might not sell and they might not sell quickly, but someone would buy and we'd both walk away happy
here I cant even list T7 exalts unless they're hyper meta, cause everything is worth 0

[glad tinsel]

ranks are shared, and if you have a alt join the other guild, there is no downside, However, if a alt leaves a guild, it wipes out all favor, so there is that.

By shared, I mean like if your main is rank 8 merchant, any alt joining will be rank 8. If you never touched CoF it will be rank 0.

[rough narwhal]

agreed, they ruined the entire economy by trying to be cute and locking LP items behind rank 8.

[glossy tinsel]

Things will normalize within a few weeks as people figure out what's good and what's not

[polar wind]

Did anyone actually make a graph with Rep Required / Rank ?
Would be interesting to see. I could do it myself but I haven't found info online about the Rep required for each Rank. Only way is to extrapolate from screenshots or scrub through Twitch videos.

[upbeat jackal]

Cant find armor shred under affixes for gloves when searching, i assume that is not intended?

[glossy tinsel]

They didn't want 4 lp items being available too early. Which is understandable

[remote orbit]

bug yeah, i think it's missing for amulets too

[polar wind]

I did suggest (on Reddit) on a rework topic that there should be another system like "influence" for the MG.
Simply put - you don't lock LP Uniques behind a Rank, instead Ranks give you max "influence" that you can farm.
So lets say by the time you hit Rank 6, you have enough cap on influence to buy a Unique (but just one)

[rough narwhal]

sure, I get why they made the mistake but it had the opposite affect. Almost all players cannot sell LP items nor create them because that requires rank 8 MG or beating T3/T4 Julra (the hardest content in the game) to make high level LP items. Thus LP items have no value.

There was logically no need to restrict players once they reach empowered monoliths.

[remote orbit]

Do you mean Legendaries? You beat Julra to craft legendaries. You can sell any item at rank 1 too.

[prisma bluff]

Someone pushed me to level 50 when I was only level 25

[glossy tinsel]

There's no value because people haven't caught up yet. Give it time and it'll work out. You do not want people running around with 3-4 lp mad laddles super early lol

[modern pivot]

Do you ever lose your faction ranks by swapping between CoF/MG? Or is that persistent and account wide for each cycle? I assume you'd lose your favor (and active prophecies for CoF) for a swap, but can you go back and forth without losing the rank you've built up?

[rough narwhal]

this wouldn't happen if they didn't restrict the market because things would be reversed. LP0 legendaries would be cheap and T2-4 legendaries would cost millions of gold. Yes, you are right that it will resolve itself in 2 months but why not just fix the core issue?

[polar wind]

Also regarding this and what @timid oyster said about devs implementing changes. I don't think any changes will come until they see the full scope of what's about to happen once enough people catch up and join the economy. The worst thing you can do is try to over-correct and go wrong

[polar wind]

Probably will, but like I said in the above reply, they're not going to do it this cycle, because by the time they implement it, people will be far enough in the system. Definitely (I think) something they're thinking about for the next reset.

[timid oyster]

what I'm thinking of is search functionality and ease of price checking in listing

[polar wind]

Right now, maybe... just maybe, if enough people are upset, they'll reduce the Rep curve so that people reach those levels faster (that's an easier thing to modify)

[timid oyster]

I'm just not planning on joining MG knowing half the job is tedium in finding price comparability / listing.. but that's just my style

[obsidian rune]

Folks, do you have any tips how quickly analyze whether item worth something or not? Is there any some lootfilter may be?

[frail nebula]

Dont feel like I earn enough reputation to do trading for legendaries and LP3+ .. buying one is 20,000 and I need to buy so many of them

[polar wind]

The way I do it is have my inventory opened and searching for the 2 most important affixes the item has, have a minimum of T4-5 and GO (search). See what comes up.

[lethal pagoda]

Tip: Having your inventory open before talking to the Bazaar NPC will allow your inventory to be open while searching 👍🏻

[polar wind]

Yap, that's what I meant

[frozen dagger]

Is there a better search for items? Like showing certain unique with 100+ HP only?

[dusky geyser]

Guys i wanne leave the mechants guide but i dont see a buttom to leave it how can i leave this faction ?

[magic sapphire]

Hello, i don't understand how favor spending and reputation work with the MG. i buy things but my reputation stay the same. But with Nama (the MG gambler) when i buy my reputation goes up. Am i missing something or should i gamble all my faor to speed up my rep?

[lethal pagoda]

hit Y and look in the top right. (Sorry, this was to @dusky geyser

[magic sapphire]

thought so 🙂

[torn hatch]

hi, is there any update on whethear they gonna add a Merchant's guild Price Check feature ?

[glossy tinsel]

A better solution would be to adjust the number of lp at a certain level, like 1 lp is at like 6 or something, 4 lp at max level. I think people are still jumping the gun not realizing we're still VERY early in a cycle and no one has established a true meta yet outside of the most bugged busted builds like Warlock/Falconer/Healing Hands shennanigans

[obtuse flicker]

how do i search for a unique property and filter by highest value to lowest. when i try to add a filter the nothing shows up

like arrowguard, i wanna look for one that has near max glancing blow chance

[zealous dagger]

anyone know why my friends items keep getting "item cannot be traded" ? he is in merchant guild

[mighty obsidian]

Why are all items listed for 0 gold ?

[bitter aurora]

listing stuff gives rep

[edgy dock]

ppl have smooth brains

[mighty obsidian]

the gambler does too

[rough narwhal]

read the chat above, I don't wanna rant again. In short, LP items have no value because almost nobody can make or purchase them right now. Also, like Sanguo said, people misunderstand the market system and think mass listing items for 0 gold to be purchased quickly is the best way to grind rank

[bitter aurora]

lmao listing is what gives the rep not selling stuff

[rough narwhal]

the game doesn't explain that. At all. So yeah, that causing the issue

[mighty obsidian]

Oh okay

[meager salmon]

Can I sell items without switching to the merchant's guild? Also if not, will I lose any CoF progress by switching?

[tiny spire]

Don't think you can.
You will lose current favor, rank stays but you can't use other faction items

[crisp juniper]

so if it gives rep why at 0 gold? Maybe rep should be given as a percentage of gold it was sold for

[mighty obsidian]

So yeah, smooth brains rofl ahah here's hoping we'll have a "normal" economy soon then

[distant thorn]

is there a discord/forum for trading people instead of listing on bazaar for higher end items? because I don't know the value past the insane price the other 3 people put on the item. as in trading directly

[polar wind]

I know, You know, people on this Discord know, but they do need to sort out MG for the majority of players that, first of all, don't have the foresight and patience to see a stabilised market.
What they'll do is buy 2-3 Rare items, craft them, say Thank you to the MG because it would be hard to farm those exact specific items themselves, but then quit when the "guide" requires them to get Uniques and they can't (because of Rank).
So it's definitely the "early game" of MG that needs to be sorted. Of course CoF doesn't have this issue, because they ease you in.

[tiny spire]

What are you talking about

[spice jungle]

3LP Urzil going for 350k lol

[polar wind]

About the average player, not the people here knowing that the market wil stabilize

[meager salmon]

Ah I see, would've thought that they would have made selling non-faction required since it doesn't require any rank anymore if I've understood correctly

[sinful heath]

Anyone selling "darkstrides" with movement speed :)?

[glossy tinsel]

Someone sold a 3 lp bone clamor for like 500 million, and meta items that have 3 lp for for multi millions

[crisp juniper]

lost all excitement for finding a unique item thinking I was about to get some gold for stuff I need...

[glossy tinsel]

It's just the non meta stuff is currently cheap. Idols can go for 500k+ easily. Improvements can be made, but part of the issue is people not knowing what anything is worth

[tiny spire]

It's better to sell good exalted bases and idols, everyone find uniques in this game, if it's not meta and rare it's gonna be worthless not likely

[polar wind]

Ideal gameplay is that you take your time and work on 5 really good Rare items to sell to the market for 100k each, which will get you 500k so you can finally afford the Unique you've been waiting for that costs the 500k you just made.
I think that's what they had in mind

[livid aspen]

since they specifically banned resale, I dont know if you can say they designed this with crafters in mind

[crisp juniper]

Yeah reselling ban should be lifted I feel specialy if you resell to same rank. I was able to make an item better but couldn't relist it...that was gut punching

[polar wind]

Not talking about buying - crafting - selling back.
Talking about Finding items with good potential (that only you with your keen master crafter's eye see - lol) and you turn them into something beautiful and sell them

[obtuse flicker]

how do filter uniques from hiest value to lowest.

[glossy tinsel]

They don't want people flipping which is good

[polar wind]

Reselling is prohibitted for a reason, because you need an item sync in the game, otherwise, you'll just use the exact gear another player had before he upgraded. Then when you upgrade you pass yours on and so and so forth. Therefore no need for "new" items in the pool if old ones are reusable more than once.
Having a Loot filter to Recolor the "good for crafting" items is a must if you want to craft then sell.

[livid aspen]

why, then the market wouldnt have all these 0g items that make us all look like fools

[tiny spire]

Feels pretty bad to use an item and not be able to sell it back after you're done with your build/the item
Items can be really expensive and rare, so it becomes worthless which is sad

[glossy tinsel]

I think anyone who has ever dealt with PoEs economy extensively can tell you why flipping can become very annoying

[polar wind]

I know, but the alternative could be worse I guess when it comes to the whole economy.

[livid aspen]

I dont feel the same prophet, never been butthurt by that

[tiny spire]

You only get hurt by Poe economy and crap like that if you're one of the many people doing the same thing xd

[glossy tinsel]

Dealing with people who corner entire markets and then monopolize prices is incredibly frustrating

It was only this last league where it wasn't as prevalent because the league just printed out items and currency

[livid aspen]

tbh I think thats mostly overblown

[glossy tinsel]

Depends on what items you're looking at.

[kindred cargo]

could someone party me and let me portal to bazaar

[crisp juniper]

I hear you guys but this game giving us option of merchant or non merchant I chose merchant cause I want to see that level of chaos and reselling and max profits specially if it's not real money and in game blood sweat and tears. currently allot of items are set at 0 and kills whole idea of the guild

[tiny spire]

As I said, if you're not following the most meta builds, you really don't get affected by anything like it

[glossy tinsel]

They want you to play the game here not play market simulator, which to me is fine.

[crisp juniper]

I think we shouldn't be afraid to have these "problems" in a guild labeled for merchants if I was afraid of these things id go fortune

[crisp juniper]

Yeah that's the thing I joined Merchant to play market with gold I earn and luck of my drops / chase hunting

[polar wind]

Can I ask a bif of an offtopic question here. Regarding a comparisson between LE/Diablo/PoE: How many builds TRULLY REQUIRE you to definitely have a certain Unique/Legendary/etc. Item to function in the first place.

I'm really new to the scene so that's why I'm crurious, by my last D4 char (blizz Sorc) REQUIRED Glacial aspect as a legendary. And there were others that required Uniques. Build wouldn't work without them at all, but in the builds I've seen on Maxroll for LE always say "Unique Not necessary" as in, you don't build it after you got the item, the item only enhances what you've already built. And for PoE I don't know.
Is this true from your experience?

[thin harness]

Is the Bazar Server wide?

[crisp juniper]

From what I see I am doign my own thing and not followign a meta and im having a blast in D4 I needed to use a meta build for end game it was annoying specially when the end game wasn't really there this game is so damn fun and makes you feel good in combat if you tinker a bit with your builds and combos

[polar wind]

Reason I asked the question is somewhat related to the fact that people are coming from other games where the builds tell them that "uniques are necessary" so they get to lvl 70-75 and are still not high enough Rank to buy the Unique that will "define" their build (which, from what I've read is not the case)

[glossy tinsel]

Introducing flipping would adversely affect the game badly and would force ehg to start balancing the game around trade like GGG does with PoE. No thanks

[crisp juniper]

yeah uniques are not necessary but some do give a boost to a certain skill or combo of skills that I can see someone coming up with, without a guide

[tiny spire]

Many things are gated behind uniques in LE, specially when you get to the higher level end game, a unique with LP will always be better than exalted items
PoE doesn't have that because they love rare items, Poe rares go up to 6 mods and can be very powerful, uniques in Poe aren't just powerful, they tend to have ways to change your build more than just damage

[glossy tinsel]

There aren't that many builds that absolutely require a unique to answer your question

[crisp juniper]

With that I say that person should go into CF instead of MG cause i don't see reason for being in MG if market culture is restricted (And trust I understand the frustrations but it is the game when it comes to profits)

[tiny spire]

And LE is pretty easy to play, you don't even need knowledge of builds, just pick skills and passives that make sense to progress

[glossy tinsel]

I don't think you understand the implications of what you're asking for. Free trade with no restrictions would make MG infinitely better then CoF

[crisp juniper]

I would say onlly 1 or 2 uniques are a must for me their benifits sometimes don't outshine the affixes

[covert lichen]

Problem with CoF is you barely get any benefit in targeting higher LP boss loot

[livid aspen]

some DoT builds are quite a lot stronger with uniques than without them. DoT itemization from normal affixes and bases is not great

[crisp juniper]

Currently CF is looking better cause at this rate I won't have any gold to buy what I need for my build meanwhile CF got increase rates / odds of thier gear drops

[polar wind]

Exangvinous will be nice for my Warlock, but it will be replacing a +17 int chestpiece until I get to craft it with LP

[covert lichen]

I made the switch from rank 10 CoF frustrating not getting what I needed after countless hours and don't regret it at all

[glossy tinsel]

Cf is better in the loooooong run but mg accelerates your gearing process alot. Having instant access to high power uniques and idols is massive

I have both leveled to 8, straight up telling you mg is better then people make it out to be

[livid aspen]

I play with a group, they're all CoF and im MG. most of their BiS items they would not have without drops from someone else in the group
i still got my basic build set up way faster than them
Im likely to have an advantage when it comes to crafting legendaries as well imo, even if I cant afford the truely apex tier LPs

[covert lichen]

MG is superior in the long run if you want to be stronger, thats just how it is

[glossy tinsel]

Farming idols is one of the worst things to do, mg giving you instant idols like throne of ambition is massive at 4 which isn't even that far

[granite crag]

stupid question but if i buy thinks while i am in the merchant guild and then switch into circle of fortune, can i still use the items that i bought from the merchants guild?

[glossy tinsel]

No

[torn hatch]

where is the PRICE CHECK UPDATE FOR BAZAAR its 2024 how the hell we dont have this yet

[lost bridge]

Assuming what you want to buy is available for sale, yes.

[covert lichen]

I bought everything I needed which would take 100s of hours in CoF to get, specifically boss targeted gear

[glossy tinsel]

If you're playing anything remotely meta it's available

[lost bridge]

I wanted to buy some idols with phys pen with shadow daggers & ele resist, wasn't available & something else (which sadly I can't remember)

[crimson willow]

Damn it and here I thought I was missing out in COF

[molten spindle]

https://i.imgur.com/O7wLfRC.png dropping all the worthless garbage that is piling up my stash lol

[covert lichen]

You do miss out if you want the higher LP variants of your gear, best way is to farm enough gold selling arena keys with rank 10 prophecies and then switch

[teal sable]

Feels to me like a ton of people just switched over to CoF or just don't bother with selling stuff because the UI is so bad. Most items I bought today and yesterday were put up for sale 5 days ago.

[lofty canopy]

Guys , am i crazy or , how do you loot exalted Experimental stuff ? only got blue from mages

[polar wind]

I do feel you, but I don't think it's the UI (even though I'm playing on a Steam Deck and it's even worse there). I do think that people are blidly following builds that say "Ok, now step 4: Get this Unique" and they think step 4 comes 10 minutes after step 3: start monolyths.
So they obviously can't do that because they don't have high rank, so it's not instant gratification (the term that plagues this entire generation, not just LE players)

At least with CoF you don't know... It's all a chance of what you'll get next.
With MG you can lietarlly see all the cool stuff you could have in front of you, you just can't access it yet. That's the frustration I think.

[past onyx]

that's 'couse "you"'re looking too much at the future instead of just look at the present and see what you already can do...

[polar wind]

Exactly. It's sadly something that you can't teach people 😐

[reef scroll]

Do you have a Suggestion for the worth of a 3 LP Liath Signet? Could add it to the Beate for 4800 favor

[past onyx]

key word is STAY PATIENT & KEEP LEARNING ^^

[polar wind]

Lucily the game has a good tolerance for re-spec.
True story, what I did recently for my bleed warlock -> Build said get Exanvinous Unique.
I don't have it and passives in that build didn't focus on Ward.
I played their way, didn't like it because I died, switched 10 nodes around and now I have survivability until I'll get that Unique. BUT I CAN PLAY LIKE THIS UNTIL THEN. It's not something that it's a MUST RIGHT NOW.

[crisp juniper]

Yeah currently not feeling the balance is there with all restrictions allot of people would rather go CF put up loot filter and never worry about about selling or getting gold other than to get shattering stones.
I was looking forward to a market simulator, but I hear you. time / the players & feedback will tell how this goes

[viscid breach]

anyone wanna do some nodes and fight the boss in The Last Ruin lvl 90, NOT empowered version timeline with me? If so dm me 😉

[polar wind]

It's still the first real cycle. Markets are one of the most fickle things to balance. You could get 2 beta testers to go for 2 builds and see if one is more powerful than another, but getting 100.000 players trading can't be done by just a few people posting and buying stuff. That will be done probably (hopefully) in the next cycle.

[past onyx]

You said it... totally agree. Anyway i just finished the base, the campaign, for my DoT nec/poi warlock... fk OP...

[crisp juniper]

agreed

[polar wind]

So, yeah, CoF is (in a way) more "balanced" right now, because it takes waaaaaay less beta testers to test the progress through it.
Very complicated to nearly impossible to do the same for MG. I'm glad they got this far and we have a well established system like the one we have today. Looking forward to the future though.

[normal roost]

Is there a reason why with a Blast Rain build I can’t go up 110+ corrupt?

[pastel marlin]

yeah user error or the build is just awful

[crisp juniper]

Yeah I appreciate it for what it is now, can't wait to see how it gets fleshed out, heres to some huge gold bounties in the future 🥂

[distant thorn]

Is there any place either official or third party to do trades with people directly? discord? forum? anything outside of the bazaar?

[thin harness]

is the bazar server wide or do i get different items for example in NA/EUW?

[muted spade]

Only hc and sc is seperate

[rotund escarp]

levelled an alt to 70, is trade worth it at this point?

[polar wind]

It should be, since characters are server wide (you can play your same char in any region), meaning its inventory and stash is also server wide, therefore what they trade should be serverwide. Easily testable by searching for particular items that are only 2-3 on the market, screenshot-ing that and then switching and searching again, but I do think the result would be the same

[polar wind]

Trade could get your alt fast T20 items right away (since rares are unlocked right at the start)

[muted spade]

I did trade first and farmed a CoF gear set pretty easily so can switch back and forth quite easily

[thin harness]

i went COF first until lvl 9 and then started from 0 to 8 MG in 4 days i prefer MG ,now i can just snipe the gear i need and sell high lp items if ever dropped

[muted spade]

I like mg bevause it’s fun to sell items I’m not gonna use but loot drops on high corruption is boring so I go to cof for the big loot drops

[thin harness]

true endgame of mg is staying at Bazar pressing refresh

[muted spade]

Sniping is a lot of fun lol

[thin harness]

yeah im late to the party but undervalued items are still getting posted, lets use it while it lasts

[muted spade]

It will always last, also undervalued depends on many things, for my build everything is so cheap

[past onyx]

that was the D2 endgame and i loved it... in LE you simply can't do it couse you cant sell bought items, but i think this is not a bad thing if the game is good, and this game is good so... it's all right

[polar wind]

Now you made me curious about what build you're running. If it's not a personal question... Of course it's not... It's not like I'm asking for your home adress :))

[muted spade]

It’s not my build really it’s a build raizqt made, Fernando beam build with wraithlord

[honest belfry]

can someone explain me how to increase réputation ? i'm stuck lvl 6 😒

[muted spade]

Best way to get reputation is farming exp tome echoes on 200 corruption and gambling at faction gambler

[honest belfry]

okay, cause they said " kill mob or do quest" ok i kill many many mob , but did ot understand the "quest" were can i get ? ^^

[muted spade]

Just random quests in monos, I thought that would mean a faction quest giver but I will admit their wording can be quite vague at times

[honest belfry]

okay thx, i'll go in mono, did the fire dungeon is worth ?

[wanton quarry]

is there a known loot list of uniques worth paying attention to? stash getting flooded junks worth $0 in trade

[muted spade]

Soulfire bastion is good, I just skip to the boss to farm and sell immolation oblation belts for lots of gold

[honest belfry]

okay ^^ i'll do this i think

[hollow sand]

Low sustain, high corruption requires either rly high dmg or a ward build

[muted spade]

Just look at what people are playing, check build guides on YouTube because most people are following them so whatever items those are they will be worth more

[honest belfry]

thx mate 😄 u're the best

[hollow sand]

Can u skip to the boss? Or u mean rush to it?

[muted spade]

Yeah just don’t die lol

[polar wind]

That's honestly why I close MG for my first Faction playing the game (I did not play before 1.0). I figured literally having an "item wiki" in front of my eyes will teach me more than playing CoF first and seeing a random Unique drop and saying "meh... I have no idea what this is worth or for" or not knowing what other uniques were.
(I know, I could always open up a webpage in parallel, but MG has it in game. Pretty much all the items are there). Great for a 1st timer.

[muted spade]

I look at what the YouTubers and streamers are playing and farm that gear to sell, its alot of fun

[muted spade]

I literally spend like an hour price checking every single unique in trade house, with LP or without LP

[normal roost]

I have the dmg but I got oneshotted pretty much, what can I do?

[polar wind]

What do you play and can it have ward? 😛

[normal roost]

Blast Rain Marksman

[polar wind]

I saw a weird post on Reddit and I can't really test it as I don't know the math behind it.

• I always thought Reputaion gain was always = 2x Favor spent.
  (aka if you spend 500 Favor either buying or selling that's going to give you 1000 Rep), but is it different depending on some other variables? Person there was calculating 2.33x, 4x and other weird numbers for differnt kinds of items.
  Is this true?

[jovial fjord]

does anyone actually have the 20-50m people are asking for items now

[muted spade]

Gold sellers and buyers do

[fresh plover]

if u dont want gg bis gear sure do that, market allows to get gear that is imposssible for cof

anyone who think cof is better gear wise is coping hard

[polar wind]

Well technically nothing is impossible, since if it's on the market that means that somebody GOT IT. So there's that

But yeah, 500 people rolling a dice are more likely to roll the number you need than just 1 person.

The way I see it (and don't take my word for it, haven't played at all):

• If your build pretty much requires a bunch of specific gear and uniques -> GO MG
• If your build has minimum super rare requirements and you're sure you can get what you need yourself go CoF

So as much as "going for your own build" is true in this game, if you're the type of person that likes to follow other builds that's the first thing you should ask yourself: "How hard is it to farm the items?"
And then you've answered the question to go MG or CoF

[fast narwhal]

folks I just joint MG. Why is all my shopping window not fitting in the screen?

[muted spade]

Go MG and get all your faction gear then farm your non-faction gear to use in CoF when you get bored of mf just switch back and forth

[polar wind]

What's your resolution?1280p ?

[fast narwhal]

I've tried changing resolution or switching between boardless window and fullscreen, doesn't seem to help. Resolution is 2560 x 1600

[misty summit]

anyone know expensive relic exalted mods?

[fast narwhal]

Hmm 1080 would work but it looks a bit wired

[signal idol]

depends on what you looking for, specific skill and if they somewhat meta it's gonna cost a lot, i'm playing ballistas and +4 of that it's like 6m (last checked at least)

[covert lichen]

You get alot of gold in high corruption, 2k+

[polar wind]

Ok. That info also helps me actually. It's the aspect ratio of 1.6 it seems. Any other resolution like 16:9 (1.77777777) works.
I have to update my ticket (if I can do that)

[misty summit]

yeah I have like 2 pages of relics dumped in stash, tryina figure out which mods are good 😄 thank you

[signal idol]

i've got 20m atm and spent like 20-25m yesterday

[covert lichen]

Ive spent like 40m and got 50m left, also I was rank 10 CoF before doing arena key prophecies for gold

[fast narwhal]

So 1280*720(1.777) also works

[polar wind]

Is 2560x1440 an option? That works for me and is close to what you have

Haven't tested 1280x720. I just know that 1280x800 (1.6) does NOT work (crops about 5% of the Merchant screen left and right)

[fast narwhal]

nope, the next below what I have is 2048*1536, which also isn't working (even worse)

[dark quiver]

this might sound hecking weird, you also not sure if reshade is TOS for online play, but you might need to force letterboxxing with it
holy crap can I fix my typo

[polar wind]

Just to check, so I know for my ticket. What gets cropped? DO you still see the text of the 1st item really like to the edge? also instead of "Level Range" you see "el Range"
That's how much it crops for me

[dark quiver]

the menu barely fits on my screen playing in ultrawide

it could prob be scaled down for those aspect ratios tbh, could allow my inventory to be open without it overlapping the bazaar menu
it does feel unnecessarly large

[polar wind]

That's another problem I saw. Bazaar window for some people can See and Press the "More" button, but on some resolutions it's hidden behind inv.

[fast narwhal]

On the left side, the text of the first item is ~to the edge. description like "+x%..." is right on the line. and "el Range" has E cut into half

[dark quiver]

yea my inventory covers like a 3rd of it for no reason, so much screen realestate open on the left
faction menues coulda just been left screen anchored like forge/char sheet

[signal idol]

this is true for most if not all resolutions i think, rather i would like to know which resolution lets you have inv and search button lol

[polar wind]

Exactly the same. I checked my 1280x800 resolution screenshot
https://imgur.com/a/HpnMDkZ
(THIS IS NOT CROPPED BY ME)

[dark quiver]

I think they let the 2nd year collage student intern make the bazaar menu

it feels way too much like a bad web interface on some site thats trying too hard to look cool than an interface in a video game

[gray spruce]

my fellow companions, can anyone share a good loot filter for the merchants guild?

[dark quiver]

some very cool dude was sharing a spreadsheet that had item values so you can tell whats worth keeping to sell last night, cant remember his name

[paper mountain]

So im new and abit confused are you able to buy and sell stuff in this game? like an auction house type thing?

[dark quiver]

its more like trying to dig through ebay tbh

[polar wind]

It's not true as I saw in a video. Grabbed this screenshot. I cannot do this in my 16:10 (1.6666) resolution as the "More" button is completely behind the inventory and not clickable. Therefore hard to do price checks
https://imgur.com/a/iXvziDv

[dark quiver]

the very fact that the advanced option for affix levels from the loot filter ISNT in the bazaar menu is bazar....

[polar wind]

Loot filter is just add the following rule on top of the Filter you already have:
Recolor (color of your chosing):

• All rare
• All Afixes (advanced: Toal Affix Sum > 15)

The rest I asume a normal filters takes care of to show you Uniques and Exalts

[native pendant]

Selling craftable materials and making keys tradeable is a must imo

[signal idol]

oh sorry mb, my brain autofilled in "search" instead of actually reading "more" that you wrote, tought you meant there's one you can actually press the search button

[polar wind]

Yeah. "Search" will be completely hidden (unless you use a controller and go Right-Right-Right a bunch of times as it still highlights stuff behind inventory).

But you realistically only need to "setup" the functions then you're good to just close the inv and hit search.

I guess if you really need that feature you could always plug in a controller and use it only for pressing RIght-Right-Right-A
Lol :))

[grim flint]

Hey guys , DM me if u are interested in a complete pricelist of all Uniques ingame . 🙂 (spent 4 hours to look up every Uniques min. LP and min. WW req to be worth something). Keep up the Grind my guys and enjoy ur Weekend ❤️

[signal idol]

yeah... i'll live without, just selling the items i know by memory, i hate dealing with exalteds and stuff anyways (i prob have a lot of money in those, but hey i could use them to lvl up CoF char if i ever wanted to!)

[gray spruce]

@toastedd

@polar wind You mean all the rare itens?

I could not understand fully what I should do

[polar wind]

All the rare items that have the Sum of Affix tears > 15

If you just take the text I wrote and view it ingame it will make a lot of sense when you hit + to add a new rule. It's exactly like I wrote it here

[gray spruce]

I just sent you a pm, with the configs I made

[covert topaz]

Hey, someone have a good filter for sell items on merchants? 🙂

[polar wind]

Yap, that's it. Should do it 🙂

Obviously now not EVERYTHING would be valuable. Use your judgement and common sense to see things that don't really synergise. Like Melee attack + Crit chance works great, but Fire + Frost might not, because few builds might want both Pluses.

[gray spruce]

nice my friend, thankss

[gusty shuttle]

anybody need heart of ukherous lp 2 with 8 % rolls?

[steady axle]

guys anyone with a good loot filter for merchant, with good itens to sell

[ionic spire]

someone have rogue idol with 9% health and shred amo effect ?

[dark quiver]

\

[ancient mango]

☝️

[polar wind]

Anyone have any experience with what happens to your Posted Items if you hop to CoF then decide to come back later to MG?

I know the Favor gets reset to 0, I just don't know what happens to the items.

[dawn tusk]

A good rule of thumb I have going, at least for exalted items, is loot filter points out T7 exalted, check what the T7's are worth. If they're not worth much, it's worth checking what they're worth with an empty prefix slot. I upped a crit exalted bow from being worth basically nothing to selling it for 1 mil because i used a rune of removal to get rid of the bad prefix.

[jovial fjord]

everything stays listed, but when you swap back you lose prophecies for some reason

[finite latch]

You should be able to sort items by multiple affixes of more than T1. If u want to have an exalted with a specific t6+ and another prefix, it will only search for items with both things t6...

[wary pier]

we should be able to do a lot of stuff which we can't.

My biggest gripe atm and its gonna get worse as the cycle continues, you cant sort your sold page by most recent sales so this morning I find myself looking through 15 pages to claim my gold, what's this gonna look like at the end of the cycle?? 400 pages? 1000 pages??

[jovial crag]

It's weird because there was a devleoper on Reddit that worked on the the bazaar that was so proud of his work after having worked on WoW's Auction House. Oops.

[polar wind]

Two-Handed Mace vendor wasn't very popular in Highschool

[split wave]

He just does the back-end stuff, btw. All the issues with the bazaar at the moment for me are front-end.

[drifting birch]

even weirder is that poe trade has got everything sorted out . if you wanna contend with top h&s its still the goat to check up for sure

[past onyx]

guys... it's 1.0... could it be better? Sure... Is good enough to play it and have some fun? I think so after all. My opinion ofc

[wary pier]

yes and no, poe trade site is pretty good but who does large volumes of trades without at least 1 third party app or site.. off the top of my head im probably using 6 or 7

[drifting birch]

i'm talking about the basic functions at least such as : AND, OR, COUNT conditions on affixes, filter by value of tiers

[wary pier]

yeah count and weighted search functions on poe trade are great

[ancient mango]

If they're deservedly proud of the backend then there should be a good framework for improving the bazaar

[drifting birch]

i agree at least that there is huge potential to the system implemented. but it cant stay like this for too long because it will be frustrating and tedious. nobody wants to check 10x pages of items to find what you want because there is no option to filter properly

[past onyx]

both technical and systemic improvements are required but as you said it's the potential above the base we already have what's matter. When i was playing poe some years ago i though that was the best trade sys even if i'm not so a huge fan of poe. LE has a good base with very high potential and i think it could be even better than poe's one... ofc not in 1.2-1.3 but surely before 2.5-2.8

[teal sable]

I hope they will talk about it soon. I am afraid some part of it is because it would be too good otherwise. I would prefer they increase favor cost as much as they think is needed isntead of having to sit in front of the AH clicking through pages.

IMHO we also need more loot filter options. The loot filter is fine for SSF but not good enough for trade.

[drifting birch]

for sure, but dont forget there is a deadline of sort with the arrival of PoE2. game designers go where the money is, and there is huge money to make in the H&S genre. Same for players , they go where novelty is. that's why devs hot topics should be major fix such has improving QoL for players, and adding novelty to leagues every quaterly to have a good player retention . That's just basic business

[past onyx]

this is a good point, ofc, as the one which is the fact that who likes h&s usually goes through them (jumping from one to another and back). i played all most common h&s since D1 and none of them missed the chance to get their time.

[fast narwhal]

@polar wind btw the edge thing, just realized this happen during the main game as well. For example, when I have pending skill points for more than 3 skills, the last one only shows like 1/3 of the icon

[steady rose]

Hey guys who know, i can sell boost xp for gold?

[signal idol]

you mean search it on the market? no filter for it, but i'd guess people with good rolls will put it up for more, you won't find great deals but you can filter by minimum price (there'll be lots of crappy ones overpriced too tho just fyi)
if drop... well keep at it until you get a good one lol

[grim flint]

Hey guys , DM me if u are interested in a complete pricelist of all Uniques ingame . 🙂 (spent 4 hours to look up every Uniques min. LP and min. WW req to be worth something). Keep up the Grind my guys ❤️

[acoustic trail]

Why cant I search for "chance to shred armor on hit" affix on amulets? Is it just that there are 0 amulets with that affix on market?

[signal idol]

known bug, not in the filter list (or maybe better say known issue? not sure it's a bug)

yeah it sucks, i know they don't want to make it easy for us, but i'd like something more meaningful than "yeah you gotta sort trought 200 pages of stuff gl with that"

[acoustic trail]

wdym they dont want to make it easy? Its just poor ui, that needs improvement

[cinder bluff]

are purple quality items worth trying to market? or are they not worth much

[signal idol]

it could be they didn't have time, but all those functions should be quite easy to implement, the devs have around the same idea as poe's devs about trade, to not make it easy to make it more meaninful when you actually get a trade trought (also to discourage just trading for everything, maybe it's too much of a hassle and you rather farm it yourself has to be an option, for poe devs at least), i feel like this is one of these (or again maybe just not enough time to implement it for launch), otherwise i wouldn't see how they didn't see this coming, 100% they take inspiration from poe and other games none of which probably lacks these functions
EDIT: Searches not saving, not being able to open inventory during trade etc, those are just poor ui, no excuses

[unreal meteor]

guy that made market is the TSM wow addon guy

so they will add it dw

[signal idol]

it could be made by only that guy, but it still has to get the OK from other devs, so it still somehow made it, check the edit, there's a lot of stuff that's just bad UI that's true for sure, but i don't know about some of these basic feature missing
EDIT: Everything is just my opinion not saying it's like that

[cyan widget]

Is wings of argentus rare? i dropped in 119 corruption xd

[alpine vale]

Does merchant guild really worth it compared to cof i mean the drops you get from the game without the extra buff from cof does it worth it do really make much more gold with merchant?

[cyan widget]

16k wings of argentus, ye dude merchant's guild is so op XD

[signal idol]

you definetly have better access to rare stuff, you do have to reach lv 8 to open the full potential tho, up to rank 6 it's not that great, don't underestimate rares tho, good t20 can carry you, but all guides will have exalted and lp uniques.
CoF i think it's more fun, make you do stuff and see loot explosions, but just thinking about making 2lp legendaries by dropping them especially rare ones, that's gonna take forever, but if you like make tons of builds this could be fine too, cause you'll find good stuff, just maybe not exactly what you were looking for

[molten spindle]

I can never hit resistance cap without sacrificing dmg

[unreal meteor]

blessings

[molten spindle]

yeah but they give me garbage rolls still after 300 corruption lol

[unreal meteor]

buy one 😂

[molten spindle]

yeah will use spare set just for specific bosses I guess

[signal idol]

idols can be a great place to get them

[unreal meteor]

this too

[round wasp]

i've made about 8m in two days, a few more and i can go back to CoF with my stash tabs

it's nice they let you sell anything from the start

[unreal meteor]

im still debating which one to go

[signal idol]

for me, having market means i can check the price of an item and make progress towards it, same for making 2lp legendaries, sure i can fail but i know exactly when i'll able to do my next attempt.
In CoF you won't have any guarantees for when you'll be able to attempt and when you can you may fail and who knows when it's next, but you do get loot explosions and stuff which makes the game itself more fun imo, so if you don't mind the aforementioned stuff do CoF for the fun

[unreal meteor]

yeah i might do until i get extremly tilted cuz no lp3+

[signal idol]

keep in mind you won't be able to equip any faction items if you swap, like i wouldn't mind trying out CoF now, but i would be butt naked basically if i do switch

[unreal meteor]

yeah i know thats why im saying it i got lvl 8 on both factions rn but no items in merchants for my warlock which is why i would have to unequip like half of my giga gear

[astral python]

Stout Lagonian Idol [+4% health/+18 health]. I sold for 5,000 gold. Too low?

[signal idol]

yeah, not high rolled one, i'd say you'd easily get 50ish k, on a good day maybe even 100k but that would be it

[astral python]

oh wtf

[signal idol]

double health idols are real good, any should sell, prolly really bad ones for 10k and up from there, given 2-5 on % health and 11-30 on flat there's a lot of margin there

[astral python]

this market is wack

[unreal meteor]

XD

[unreal meteor]

you just gave me an idea of selling stuff that i can sell on my alt holy!
Correction i cant sell items if im not on the guy thats in that guild kekw

[round wasp]

Both are fine to start because the majority of the stuff you get is equipable by both factions, but CoF is less likely to have 100% tagged gear b/c it's so random and you get a LOT of untagged double/triple exalts

[astral python]

And how do class-specific idols fare with extra health and a specific skill buff?

[signal idol]

I'm not knowledgable enough for that, i can tell you rouge's life/ele res ones are stupid high, so bad that 2 slot ones are way better value, around same res/health for 1/10 of the price lol.
Basically... gotta do your homework... or ignore it like i'm doing, you'll know what your class wants for sure and in general anything health+1 good thing will be good money

[astral python]

Yeah I'm seeing that for a primalist idol with +health/+totem dmg. Going for a few millions. 💀

[polar quartz]

I am going to ask this in both thread because it makes sense that way. Now that we've had guild for a good enough time, which one do you think is more engaging in and of itself? What I mean is, not taking into account personal things like the time you are able to play everything or so. Which guild offers more incentive to go out there and play and mess with its systems? Farming gold and the excitement of finding an item that will sell for a ton? or maybe just knowing that you're slowly but surely working towards that perfect drop?

[toxic stirrup]

hi, will ehg add pricecheck option ?

[nocturne lake]

Man I am like hardstuck on my rep..been at the cusp of rank 6 for a couple days now, it'll ding very soon..but i need 7 for exalted, and 8 for the belt i want..and I just can't seem to rank up fast enough..im at a point where the items my build is missing i can't buy due to rank restrictions and it's kind of annoying 😦

[signal idol]

i think you'd need a third group of players to ask... the ones that have played both... ideally extensively... all i can say from my part, is that yeah MG is lacking lots of QoL and UI issues everywhere, but it does do what i wanted it to... and that's me running around with as many lp3-4 (and lp2 where 3 it's not even on market), still feel like it could use more players pumping items in the economy but it's not like it's empty. Can't say anything about CoF as i haven't played it, seems more fun for the loot explosions but i would hate waiting for that 2-3 lp and the miss the legendary on it

[astral python]

Merchant guild is handicapped right now with the bazaar constantly disconnecting seemingly every time someone spawns into the bazaar. Right now merchant guild is going through a "gold rush" period. Elementary items like extra health is worth millions while uniques and exalt items are given away for free. Thinking the quality of an item would influence its price, which does happen, but also other times you may have fool's gold.

[scarlet herald]

well drop rate of 'common' exalted or unique is so high that there is more offer than request.

regarding good LP drops people either keep for themselves or sell to a ridicolous price that only ( theorically ) gold buyers can afford.

just wait till players reach desired rank will switch over to CoF and the prices might find their way

[polar quartz]

I AM reading you guys' answers it's just that I want to read a few to ask follow-up questions. But the inout is exactly what I want, thx so much.

[rough narwhal]

There is no black and white answer. I like MG because even if something drops that isn't for my class, it's still exciting because it could be worth a fortune. Which is the entire point I play ARPGs, to find rare loot.

There are people who get satisfaction out of solo self found and massive loot explosions. They would like circle of fortune better

[signal idol]

if you're talking about 100s of milions or billions i can understand if you think 10s of milions is too much then it's just you not knowing how to make gold

[scarlet herald]

Add the fact you can't search for a specific value and stuff, and unless you put your item to sell for the lowest gold possible it will just get lost into the tons of items in there, hence the rush to the lower price to sell things.

[round dune]

I am having a rather tough Hardcore MG experience... Anyone knows if It gets better after rank 7? There's barely any rare items on sale

[signal idol]

people will search for good rolls, i've sold multiple uniques at 3-4x the price just cause they were well rolled.. sure it'll take a bit cause like you said they gotta search trought pages but people do

[astral python]

Not being able to find more than 1 affix is pain like not having the inventory screen on the side while buying/selling

[scarlet herald]

if 10s of milions is not that much, it just means the market gets way too inflated by people farming too many hours daily, hence, CoF is way more approachable if you won't be playing 8 hours a day.

BUT, that's just my point of view at that moment of time, maybe it might change when i reach corruption 300+? don't know

[graceful flint]

could very well be the opposite. people not searching through pages of min-listed shi for the underpriced stuff with good rolls

[scarlet herald]

a good work around might be putting a timer for the items listed, after example 24hours they are in they get sent back to owner stash, so it will cut down the endless pages of items being there for 5+ days

[signal idol]

it will of course take time, but if you have a strat you'll make money, i literally just run arbor t4, can run up to 12 in 1 hour, that would net net me anywhere between 2m to 5m depends on how lucky i'm with drops and if you do lots of runs you'll eventually get that 3-4m item too
of course assuming you can do t4 arbor in 5m without dying

[lost pawn]

So Europe Player not allowed to play echo maps?????????????? (stuck in echo loading screen forever)

Devv's don't like us i guess

This is crazy

[signal idol]

there's those too for sure, the refresh goblins i call em and it works... i got some good deals myself sometimes when just checking up on stuff

[next sparrow]

Anyone else having issues to load the bazar?

[teal willow]

200 unsold items, should I cancel these all and just toss it all on the ground? 😄. Just to clean it up.

[astral python]

Nah, market will have a revision in the future. Prices will be influenced

[signal idol]

no fill up the server, so devs will be forced to make changes to MG! 😄

[astral python]

Find idols with +health/+health or +health/+whatever. Easy money.

[teal willow]

lol okay. so noone here has hit a limit yet?

[signal idol]

that's the neat part, i don't think there's a limit, so we just need all to be lazy and leave crap there forever! lol

[scarlet herald]

don't think so, it'll have to get changed very soon tho, database might be efficent as much as you want, but infinite listings for each player will just make it collapse quite soon

[round wasp]

at a certain point you're getting more value out of putting items for sale for the max amount and using it as storage

[signal idol]

great idea, favour is kinda useless at high end anyways, now we know what we can use it for lol

[teal willow]

rofl

[tribal blaze]

I have 2 questions: 1. I am not a member of the merchants guild but may I purchase items from someone that is? and 2. Where do people do most trading, like where can i go shopping at?

[signal idol]

1. don't think so
2. bazaar

[split wave]

1. No.
2. The bazaar. You can technically do person-to-person trading, but that's not the norm.

[graceful flint]

only members can trade. for non-members there is only the gifting system

[tribal blaze]

ok thank you for the info

[next kayak]

I got the CoF/MG choice just now, reading both threads to decide... seems MG just gets you a pile of gold that has no worthwhile use (and gets your char min-maxed super quick) so... game over very quickly. Is that fair to say?

[tribal blaze]

There is a dungeon, i forget the name right now. that lets you sink a ton of gold into it for more rewards at the end

[signal idol]

depends on how far you wanna go on min-maxing, even if you can just buy stuff up, do you have the money? also 3lp could miss... and 2lp is a 1 in 8 so it's gonna take a lot of gold grinding to get those

[next kayak]

The CoF thread says they get lots of gold from having so many item drops ( I guess merchant prices must be better than in normal game) - so they sink it into stash tabs and that high-end dungeon

[lost pawn]

How Do i get a refund? game is piece of ♥♥♥♥ it is not playable in the endgame.
echo mapping loading until next day. this game is still in ALPHA or BETA.
I'm getting bored. Not the single player type, miss LFG tools and random runs.
You can farm but there is no reason to do so, no goal to chase or meaningfull gear progression.

[signal idol]

can someone get this guy out of here 😒

[crisp juniper]

how muc hhours you played?

[tribal blaze]

Must be your potato PC that causes your problems. I have had zero issues aside slight login delay since launch

[next kayak]

wrong thread anyway - go somewhere else?

not to mention misunderstanding most of the game 🤨

[signal idol]

guys i doubt the dude is even reading replies, he's just spamming every channel there is

[distant quail]

I want to change factions because the MG is honestly very bad designed in terms of convenience. Buying is OK but Selling is absolute trash. Price checking every single items isnt worth it and 99% of the stuff i loot is garbage anyway. It is therefore impossible to minmax my build using given tools. Good items cost nothing, very good items cost several millions and everything above that doesnt exist in 9 of 10 cases for build specific gear.

Now the paradox. I CANT change my faction to CoF because everything mandatory to keep my current difficulty(and not farm normal gear for 2 weeks) was bought from the MG. Even if i would accept to farm the normal gear and drop my corruption to whats doable. There are still a few uniques i havent dropped myself. Without them my build doesnt work. Cant target farm my gear in CoF because of the paradox. im trapped in the poopy MG and need some advice.

[signal idol]

best thing you can do imo, just reset, take w/e is not MG tagged and make a new char, think of a new start with some boost (you still keep all crafting mats)

[crisp juniper]

We for sure wil lget updates, use the suggestions thread or feedback thread; I put some ideas out there as well check them out I think in a few cycles things will turn for us

[distant quail]

I dont have the time or the will to play another character. If i cant get out of this iam forced to quit until the next big update

[next kayak]

Or you could just play as if the MG/CoF thing didn't exist? Most ppl seem to just use MG to gear their char up fast, then play mostly self-found

[signal idol]

you not having time or will doesn't mean they are forcing you to do anything, also quitting till next update is an option aswell, if you're burnt out, at this point in time i don't think there's a better way than what i suggested earlier, cause even if you get all uniques and stuff for your current build, getting weaker will feel bad all the same.

[distant quail]

I really want to continue but with the CoF if i stayed with it from the start i would had a few rough days but then everything would stabilize, now its the opposite

[crisp juniper]

BEst you can do is provide feed back specialy about the guild and what you feel would've made things better for you - this would be constructive. And then you can see if in the future things change. This game is hella fun from my point of view but I also understand everyone has different levels of patiance

[signal idol]

tbh without having tried the other i wouldn't say you're guaranteed to have fun, sure you're gonna drop way more stuff... doesn't mean it'll be the stuff you need/want.
EDIT: Also for first cycle tbh a way to swap factions just to let us try everything maybe would've been nice, i personally want to try CoF, so maybe i'll make an alt but i'm not the type to do that, so there's a good chance that'll i quit before that

[next kayak]

Seems it's not patience in this case, but wanting to rush to an endgame build in a short time. Why? Then your game is over - you soon get bored swanning around in your finery with no challenge left. But... each unto their own I guess :/
BTW CoF has bugs as well atm - prophesies for 6 uniques drop 6 rares instead
Anyway - nothing more to say on this. cyas

[distant quail]

MG = Fast "ok" gear to simplify the endgame fast and nothing "fun" after that. I came from Path of Exile... i am used to trade fast and efficient
CoF = Tedious start but quickly rising after the first important drops. Perfect for ssf.

I now discovered that MG is worse then CoF because iam used to PoE. But now that i know it better its too late to change....

[pure sonnet]

Do you get notified if an item sells

[crisp juniper]

I think allot of people will have issues with current restrictions of market and lack of quality of life for sellers / buyers. but I also have faith they will read our suggestions and feedbacks I just have the patience to wait but I understand others who get tilted

imo I really do wish the devs don't try to put some sort of control over MG as it's to me why I even joined I want that wild west bazaar bargain / trade experience get rich go broke grind get rich again flow

[signal idol]

i'm a poe player too, but in poe is better cause there's more endgame stuff to do with your geared out char, i also choose MG here cause while playing SSF i quit few times cause i missed 3lp legendaries, i was not about to farm another 3lp copy of that, not even mentioning getting the right t7 to slam

[crisp juniper]

If people don't want to participate in such wild schinanigans there is the CF for that and we should be separate

[round wasp]

i sold 2 3 mil items today, I loved CoF a lot but its hard to match that kind of dopamine

[crisp juniper]

exactly this is what we need, buy and resell, search features, streamlined market no npc and just fun capitalisim savagery

[next kayak]

buy and re-sell gets you straight to D2's problems. Ppl will tradoe (sell for real money) via external web sites
Oh and - unless the economy is balanced, gold becomes valueless, as in D2, so ppl find another currency. In d2 it was rare runes, there's no obvious equivalent here so the economy will be trashed (prob already is)

[signal idol]

yeah no resell, we already get people who refresh for deals then we have to deal with flippers too

[crisp juniper]

let it be, why have a guild with the promise of merchant only to nerf it or water it down from all it's "issues" soem people like that level of game play, there is CF for those who would rather not participate

I see your points but gotta let the market dictate otherwise it's weird many times I purchased an item only to make it way better with time and effort but that effort is nill cause I am not gaining anything from that only a bricked item

[distant quail]

Is there any advice for figuring out certain prices then? theres no tool yet. future will be bright. i really hope they take things in their own hands and develop build in tools instead of letting the community do all of it(poe)

[upbeat idol]

When the devs talked of the system, they wanted trading to require also playing the game, aka favor. Resell really isn't necessary imo, an entire UI revamp for the bazaar is though. If you wanted to add resell maybe every time an item is sold the favor cost to list it could go up?

[next kayak]

Because off-game trading is not a good thing. When that happens, the economy is shot. MMOs use the concept of "soulbound" and "Bind on Equip" where only BoE can be sold in-game to stop trading outside the game. That's too restrictive for arpg games

[signal idol]

iirc, read somewhere devs saying they don't wanna go down poe route and have most if not all the stuff in game (just like with loot filters), then again how far they wanna go with QoL it's up to them if they don't provide APIs to access the data

[pastel marlin]

RMT is already a big thing, you’ll never prevent that. That’s not why they don’t let you resell items

Also 99% certain duping is already happening given red rings are 6mil each and those are mageblood level rarity.

[crisp juniper]

It shouldn't be off game I agree, but you guys gotta think about who is this for, someone who loves to do "merchant" in games will be playing the game gold trading and buying and selling is part of the game and those that don't have gld will farm for it

lets be for real here I know what I am signing up for when I am selecting a guild for merchants that is me the players decision knowing all the issues that come with it it's part of the thrill and discovering items while grinding. if i didn't want that and I wanted to be solo id go to CF thats why it's there isnt it?

[next kayak]

Off-game trading won't involve game gold though. The site d2jsp had its own currency called "forum gold" (fg) so ppl sold an item for fg on an external forum without anything changing hands in the game. That's what "sell once" prevents

[signal idol]

not really, if we go about that, we have to talk about what they want to give us when saying trade, cause right now it feels like they just want us to use trade as a supply for crafting but no buying out full-on crafted items, i personally like which is why i don't have a big problem with how it is now, sure would love some QoL, but like i said previously, it does what i wanted it to.

[pastel marlin]

Not being able to resell is an item sink, that’s it. Just a design choice they made. I don’t agree with it but 🤷🏻‍♂️

[upbeat idol]

in the same way that favor is from gameplay (combat), they wanted most gold gain to be gotten from combat. Items you find from combat to sell on bazaar is gold gain from combat

[pastel marlin]

Requiring favor for buying items is to slow player progression and make you actually play the game to progress your character yeah

[signal idol]

good part if not a very big part, is that they don't want the game to become a "play the market", even if the choice is in the players hand, this happens in poe for example (somewhere on reddit or another channel devs should've said something along these lines if anyone wants to dig in it)

[crisp juniper]

one thing we gotta realize gang, favor is a big positive factor in all this. the more you buy and resell the more grinding you have to do to keep on doing that. and that gameplay loop is fire cause if I want to make a ton of gold ill play game longer and grind more favor and do more quests

[tacit spire]

Rn the best way to play MG is to farm 4mil an hour on cof on a diff char

[pastel marlin]

Yeah I think that’s bad, just let people play how they want to play imo

[signal idol]

need a use for favour, at rank 10 that thing just keeps piling up with no sign of being used all lol

[frank vigil]

Flipping is 1 thing (I don't think it's as bad as some people think anyway) but the fact that you can't buy a unique item combine it with an exalted item and then sell it, or you can't buy exalted items craft something on it and sell it in arpg being in the merchants' guild feels bad for me

[upbeat idol]

that is a problem devs need to balance for somehow imo

[pastel marlin]

Also yeah this is a hilarious meta and just shows the glaring design issues with the entire thing from its core

[signal idol]

yeah rank 9 and 10 are just meme (weawer's will items aside), MG stops at 8 basically lol

[next kayak]

Someone already put up a suggestion to keep the gold separate on MG/CoF
But there wd also be a 3rd economy pool with gold from "neither" (chars before they choose faction)

[crisp juniper]

Let people be free it's a merchant guild those who don't like merchant stuff can still play CF and rank in CF I really think it's being too restrictive. if resell is really a problem make it cost more favor to resell an item and have it exponentially grow untill it's not feasible anymore (still don't like idea of restricting a game mode about buying and selling)

[tacit spire]

Reselling isn't coming they've been very direct on that

[crisp juniper]

Yeah let's never say never when more people over time want this feature; Also for me it isn't a deal breaker I really just would like some quality of life stuff and even a main UI like cosmetic shops for the merchant guild and not having to use npcs

[pastel marlin]

Yeah I doubt they let you resell otherwise the market would be FLOODED with items and ruined quite quickly. They need the item sink

[static plinth]

Also, both factions share the same rank ladders atm, if you make selling free without favor cost, it ought to be in a separate rank ladder then for sure...

[pastel marlin]

They should be separated either way

[polar forum]

reselling items would create serious gold inflation. I never knew that reselling would be a bad thing until I've seen an auction system that removed it

[daring mango]

is there a way to filter uniques in bazar by something other than legendary power?

[crisp juniper]

Yeah agreed we need them seperate cause I really would like a full on merchant game play cause for me as a merchant my ladder is gold coin digits

[polar forum]

Although if they added reselling, I would nuke every 0 gold thing off the auction house so fast rofl...

[crisp juniper]

favor is the factor here that can help with that making it really tricky to resell as you would be burning favor and grindign allot to do so

[round wasp]

no reason to have resell and i doubt they'll ever do it

[signal idol]

like let us transfer from MG to CoF but not the other way around, i see why CoF would "ruin" the economy, but why not just let us have fun in CoF when done with MG? is that really such a bad thing?

[polar forum]

If favor wasn't needed to buy items, I'd probably nuke every 0 gold item from the auction house just to clear it XD

@crisp juniper yeah.

[pastel marlin]

If they make them separate ladders they shouldn’t allow you to swap period. Make a new character

[frank vigil]

in practice, this will allow to determine real market price of the item faster and will be helpful for casual players kek

[signal idol]

transfer = no ladder for you, i'd take that

[crisp juniper]

I feel some people are playing merchant guild cause they wanna be able to gear up fast without farming gold (which is fine) but lets be honest the thrill of reachign your first 100k is like nothing else and being able to under cut or polish an item to make profits to me is a dope game loop

[round wasp]

you can have an alt in both on the same account, i farm crafting mats in cof and use them in mg

[polar forum]

I guess...it is a shame to see many casual and semi-casual players burn alive in this system because they don't understand it.

[crisp juniper]

But that's what I am getting at people who don't understand market sim shouldn't be in a market guild (that sounds crazy lol my fault) but yeah there are two game modes here that should be fully seperate imo ladders, etc

[polar forum]

When I get into a position someday when I can actually waste my favor, I'll probably start clearing 0 gold items from the auction house.

[pastel marlin]

Yeah glyphs of despair for example, I farmed a couple hundred in an hour using prophecies. But in MG they’re so rare

[signal idol]

i pay for those when farming arbor, like 30-40k to get one at the end lol (also taking it when there's one from boss)

[round wasp]

a prophecy for 4 creations costs 5k favor at rank 10 cof

[crisp juniper]

I honestly have zero interest in CF i might as well play offline for that; I love idea of trading and selling and buying from others and it makes finding stuff that more exciting

[polar forum]

It is straight up hilarious, the people wanting to spend their favor quickly could just be clearing all the 0 gold items off the auction house and it would be just as wasteful as listing a bunch of 0 gold items on the auction house.

@pastel marlin glyphs of despair and ascendence are the reasons I might do cross faction

[crisp juniper]

If i were merchant guild rep, it would be a free market. including selling and trading mats like afixes suffixes and runes etc.

[round wasp]

the stuff you buy from soulfire bastion is untagged so technically you could almost be more efficient starting cof, crafting up a bunch of soulfire items, and then switching over to sell

[signal idol]

wait, no way CoF applies to the gambler right?

[round wasp]

nope, every item you buy is untagged, though maybe they weren't sure about the implications there

[crisp juniper]

that sounds like an exploit id chill on that lol

[signal idol]

i mean, CoF buffs on getting more and better exalted items or uniques with LP

[round wasp]

the bonuses don't apply there

it doesn't give double/triple exalts or t7s at nearly the same rate as natural drops

[crisp juniper]

so when will we have a war agaisnt CF? and take thier base and resell the loot amongst our selves?

[signal idol]

then it doesn't really matter which you start

[round wasp]

gearing in cof requires knowing what uniques to target for your build, gearing and selling in MG requires knowing every meta build known to man to turn a profit. the knowledge gap is crazy and poe only does so well because it funnels people into softcore trade

the market in other games is literally automated, between bots and price checkers, people are litterally falling apart without a direct guide on how much things are worth

[split wave]

In PoE you also have ninja and price checking tools, even neversink. All of that lowers the floor of entry a lot.
In LE, I just pick arbitrary prices for most stuff because it's a pita to check lol

[round wasp]

i was able to make 8m in 24h b/c i know the game and can do high corruption in rares, and it lets me buy so much crazy stuff

[south cosmos]

Yeah but in reality you gear up faster in CoF. In MG you get your first upgrade when you can purchase those rares. Then you wait till you are lv 94 (rep lv 7) for exalted upgrade and then lv 97 (rep lv 8) to get your next upgrade. Unless you are lucky you get upgrade in between. However, loots been so bad I couldn't get any upgrade until I hit lv 7. I was running rare and 0LP unique in 200 corruption and couldnt go any further. So it was a hell of an experienced. Thank god the build was strong enough to carry me.

[round wasp]

i had an all slammed LL build with exp health on shackles with 48h of cycle start in cof

[next kayak]

The economies are (sort of) separate, so if the ladders aren't then that's a design issue they should fix. And some other glitches mentioned which may or may not be exploits

[crisp juniper]

Yes and this hell experience is the bottom and being able to buy, sell polish and resell is that grind to make it to the top this is what I need some real gutter by the grit of our teeth game play

[next kayak]

@Loony most ppl think MG is super-fast gearing so your post surprised me
Reading this thread has made me decide on CoF I think
(I came here to make that decision)

[crisp juniper]

if you have gold it is, specially if people selling for 0 gold in market. but i am strugling so far lol and made allot of mistakes I don't read guides on build just learnign as I go

[next kayak]

Also - ppl in Global chat in-game today were saying that CoF is the only way to get "T8" gear, so a true min-maxed char can only be achieved in COF

[signal idol]

lol weird stuff happening, got items duped, made a bug report, when submitting game crashed, logged back in and there's no duped items anymore, at least i know there's no such bug

[round wasp]

there's just missing context in every MG vs CoF gearing discussion so far, and that's the fact that someone who knows the game really well can play the market faster than they can farm good gear. Someone who doesn't know the game that well is going to be rolling around in the dirt selling underpriced good gear to high rolers in MG and having a fine time in CoF

[south cosmos]

It only fast gearing when you unlock rep lv 8 which is around lv 97. So is a slog to get there. If you are comtemplating CoF and MG. I will tell you go CoF, I thinking of quitting this season because I pick the wrong faction and I can't change it because I am stuck with faction gear and loot drop arent good enough to replace my current gear. I am also to lazy to restart from scratch and climb back to 300 corrupt on all those mono I need to target farm

[round wasp]

I have multiple triple exalted experimental items, CoF might be the only way to get those

[crisp juniper]

before i sell anyhting I look at market price for around the rolls i have specially implicits if it's just one thats really low i go 2-3x above that

[next kayak]

Yes but you can buy lots of "good" gear for 0 gold, even if it's not "great" gear, it still gets you geared up fast to a good level (from what I'm hearing)

[south cosmos]

It is a bummer i missed the early days of bazaar to gear my stuff where everything was so cheap but you know what happen to first few days, server was unplayable.

[next kayak]

Anyway, gtg sleep, will catch up on this and decide on faction tmw. gn all

[round wasp]

everything is insanely cheap right NOW, 1-2m for extremely rare 2-3lp items is nothing

[south cosmos]

That is the start but now those good gear price are high or you have to sift through pages and pages to find things you need cause the UI is utter garbage. Yeah there might be those LP3 cheaper than those LP0 but that is if u grind to Rep lv 8 to get those. At the same time, those gear are probably saturated and no one buying prob cause it not popular

[compact turtle]

im at the stage where im trying different builds with multiple classes and my bottleneck is favor, uniques with som LP can be 20k+ each, luckily i have absolutely broken falconer that zoomzoom farms monos for it really quick, but its definitely not gold that is gonna limit you

[signal idol]

if you know how to use rare items and when to skip 0lp uniques it works great... the problem is that is not the case most of the time, a lot of people choose MG cause they think they can skip that part and go straight to the good stuff (even if they can't afford it yet, just a matter of farming gold)

[round wasp]

you can't get around the massive knowledge it takes to be profitable in MG at the moment, once there's tools for it things will even out

[south cosmos]

The more popular builds LP gear are pricey. You are better of going CoF where it increases chance of LP item drop rates.

[signal idol]

no one from MG that's rank 10 is gonna say favour is the bottleneck, most likely you making multiple characters means you're doing low corruption and levelling so yeah you'll run out, but as long as you do high corruption favour is a non-issue

[south cosmos]

All in all CoF is superior and MG is garbage. My experience in MG is a dread and I regret picking it. I spent more time in bazaar hopping around shops to sift through the market to find gears I want but it is usually filled with garbage. It like finding needle in haystack

[round wasp]

pulling 40x uniques per prophecy nets you a lot of flexibility in gearing alts in CoF

[compact turtle]

might be just me, im runnig around 300corr and trying builds on 2 other chars, even had to stop selling random t7's to save some favor

[south cosmos]

This is why CoF is so broken! With the amount unique dropping it so easy for LP4 to drop. Whereas im MG you have pray that you good item manage to sell or you price it efficiently so that you can get 30 mil to buy those LP4 gears 😂

[round wasp]

you have to learn the powerful mod/base combos, sometimes even a t5 will net cash on the right base if there's also hp and res

[signal idol]

making multiple char is big part of it for sure, but if you get one in a good spot and farm favour on it for an hour or two you should get 100-200k favour depending on speed

[tacit spire]

Xp tomes in corruption give like 5k favor

[round wasp]

and obv cold/phys/void res t7s will fetch more because of how they're interchanged at blessings and cold being used for LL

[signal idol]

pretty sure this is just fantasy, you aren't gonna swin in LP4s, maybe you'll get some of the common ones which are like 10-100k in MG too, but you're still very unlikely to get the 30-50m ones

[compact turtle]

about 70k in my case, guess not that fast, just really dont like how i have to farm hourly sessions instead of playing on other slowers chars, but guess thats the price i gotta pay

[naive vapor]

guys any idea what item base to use rune of ascendance for potential profit?

[elfin lily]

Hello currently in cof and thinking of changing to merchants for the easier access to gear. Anyone do the swap?

[south cosmos]

Yeah I was exaggerating but you get what I mean with the shear amount of ways to target farm you are a higher chance of getting LP4 easier compared to MG and we know that market is trash right now for a lot us to trade properly to make sufficient funds to make the gear we need

[signal idol]

technically all char should be able to pay for themselves but since you're already ahead of the curve cause of the other chars they end up needing more than what they make (well... or you choosing slow ass builds xD no flame as long as you like it's good!)

[round wasp]

i'm rank 10 cof and almost rank 8 MG, i would not be able to gear myself better in MG because i can't afford double and triple exalts lol

[south cosmos]

Especially in reddit, I see so many people from CoF says look what dropped compared to bazaar look what I just made. To be honest, all I see from MG on reddit is just complains that MG is horrible 💀

[signal idol]

if all you want is any LP4 to drop for you, sure, but if you want that LP4, farming 30m-50m is gonna be way faster than getting it yourself in CoF, pretty sure about this (don't care how efficent you're at farming gold, cause if you're not the same will apply to farming prophecies like it or not)

[round wasp]

if you target what you want hard enough in CoF and you rank up, you're getting it. unless it's something stupid rare, like below .05% chance, you will almost definitely get it within a few days of grinding CoF. the issue is whether you have the juice to do empowered waiting for it to drop

[tacit spire]

The real tech is u abuse cof arena key prophecies and make 5mil a hour

[south cosmos]

With the market now? Making 30-50 mil is going to hell. Some decent stats item are selling for 100-200k that is going to take forever and we also need to take into account or it dropping. For an average player not gonna happen.

[signal idol]

well... that's a tech for sure à

[round wasp]

lol that's boring, though it's true you get like 250k for 5k favor, may even be a bit of a cognitohazard

[signal idol]

just rushing monos will net you decent gold too, yeah not gonna make 10m/h for sure, but 1m/h is doable and 50m items aren't supposed to be gotten in 1 day (1m/h without accounting for any drop at all, just raw gold drops, does require fast and good build ofc).
i'm just doing t4 dungeons, selling soulfire bastion belts for 500k-1m (depending on roll), gambler's amulet, best atm is arbor everything sells, first glance boots seem like 10k but good rolled ones can sell easily for 100+ even 200k, chest same deal if you get 1 LP that's like 1-1.5m, helmet is the consistent money, 250k 0lp (good rolls up to 500k), 1lp is F cause that's 0g lol

[round wasp]

oh.... because you can buy normal uniques but not leg at low rank, lp1 is lower value... excuse me gonna go not laugh my nose bloody

[naive vapor]

MG is more targetable, CoF is more quality loots including high LP uniques but heavy RnG on getting what you actually want
also imo it depends on how you play the game, CoF is fun if you would make new builds around the good drops, chasing after one or more specific LP4 too much RnG

[tacit spire]

Ya that's why 3lp ladles were 20k day 1 and 0lp was 100k

[signal idol]

@south cosmos btw i don't even bother checking/selling exalted items cause i'm lazy, surely could make more if i did that (learning the good ones and keep selling them), i've spent probably like 50m and have 30m atm, for reference my dungeon runs take around 5m (if i focus it's 4m but who the hell is gonna do that all the time)

[south cosmos]

Yeah sadly can't really ultilize dungeons right now. The layout is horrible too inefficient and so many blockage, i need to keep going back and forth. Not to mentioned the server is tragic, you lag in t4 you dead or you dced. So that is time wasted and get nothing cause only the boss drop you decent stuff

[signal idol]

as bad as it is (hate having sometimes to literally explore the full map) it's still great gold, i personally don't have lag in the dungeon itself, but if you die you're gonna get kicked out to the char screen 9 times out of 10 lol

[south cosmos]

EXACTLY, i thought i was the only one. When you die you have to relog it is so irritating gosh

[mossy grotto]

i dont think COF has an easier time getting high LPs at all. Like doubling the chance of a high LP unique when the chance is 0.00001 wont make it any more likely to drop.

[round wasp]

I have a full tab of lp3s, cof basically adds a +1 on a separate roll chance

[south cosmos]

They actually do, they get more unique drop rate and increase LP drop rate. That pretty much explains it. Compared to MG, yeah CoF have better odds

[signal idol]

but since it's money making and gold/h is important you should get to 99% success rate anyways, so that stopped being an issue as soon as i got "good" (read 1-shotted them and found a good strat for arbor lol)

[round wasp]

I also get 7-10 t7s per map and a double exalted every 20m or so . going MG was really just for stash money

[hollow holly]

Who cares about chance and odds when you can deterministically buy 3/4 LPs

[mossy grotto]

im talking like high lp on the rare items, the actualy rare items, not like 3LP ladle or exsang or something like that

[south cosmos]

What corruption?

[signal idol]

wait a sec, i knew ladle was easy to get 3lp, but exsang is too? we're talking about the chest right?

[round wasp]

500 or so, but soulfire t4 also drops insane exalts

[teal willow]

how long does it take to get back to rank 10 if i switch to COF?

[round wasp]

i have 10 exalted hybrid healths and i think i had 2 in all of beta. I also have a 2lp exsang already and 8 1lp, and a 2lp titan heart, and a 3lp heirloom of the nomad, and a 3lp sanguine hoard, and a 3lp falcon bow, and falcon fists.. etc

[south cosmos]

Damn. I am struggling in 300 corrupt :/

[teal willow]

I have to make a better loot filter if i stick with MG, i'm picking up too much nonsense to sell. 90% of my stuff doesn't sell. New to the game though.

[round wasp]

I've made 8m in MG after fiddling with the market for HOURS and i've lost the equivalent of tens of millions in opportunity cost on triple/double exalts

[mossy grotto]

generally item rarity is based off item lvl, exsang being a lvl20s item makes 3lp not crazy. even market now you can find amny. 4LP exsang is very rare though, which even with COF buffs, i dont htink many players will see 4lp Exsang. iirc 3LP exsang is a 0.6% chance which isnt that rare for a 3lp item

[round wasp]

i just posted triple t7 experimental gloves in showcase

[signal idol]

TIL, i should really be checking more stuff on LEtools lol

[teal willow]

damn. so MG sucks?

[mossy grotto]

The only thing is yes, im jealous of COF exalted farming. @round wasp all those 3 lp uniques like falcon first, falcon bow etc are worth nothing. some even worth literally 0 gold. If you playing off meta stuff, MG is literally free

[naive vapor]

at the end of the day, each faction will result in very different playstyle. CoF is making builds around items you find, MG is more towards gold/h like every game that has trading (of course some wouldnt care to minmax gold/h and just want easier access to gearing, and thats totally fair)

[signal idol]

on high end exalted items CoF definetly has the advantage, even with all the players in MG triple/quadruple exalted items just don't exist without CoFs buffs

[round wasp]

I do play off meta stuff, but even if the lp is free, the double exalts to slam them with are not, and i'm at the point where i feel comfortable waiting for a good double for lp3s, and the barrier is really good exalts

[mossy grotto]

yea buying good t7 exalted bases becoming hard for meta builds tbh. But when it comes to uniques and capping out your build, MG is def better. Way easier to farm 50mil gold than trying to farm like a 4LP Exsang

[teal willow]

Whats a good way to farm 50milion gold? 😄

[hollow holly]

Have a good loot filter and sell ur items

[mild linden]

tbh, just spam monos and sell your exalted

[mossy grotto]

well at higher corruption like 1k+, getting like 2mil an hour isnt too hard doing just echos.

[teal willow]

Ahh so I don't be making gold. No clue how to do loot filter.

[south cosmos]

Trokka teeth LP3 is 150k but LP4 is 15 mil. Mb wrong name

[naive vapor]

time for youtube / google!

[round wasp]

how far can you push with a 3lp reign of winter?

[mossy grotto]

There are many education videos, just watch a few and play around with it, youll get the hang of it real quick. Its easy and intuitive once you just play around with it a little

[teal willow]

i already watched several, i dont know what sells good. i tried a little but nothing sold. i might just switch to COF. I just dont know what people want

i have 300 items noon e bought any

[gray spruce]

put something like
Loot filter is just add the following rule on top of the Filter you already have:
Recolor (color of your chosing):
All rare
All Afixes (advanced: Toal Affix Sum > 15)

The rest I asume a normal filters takes care of to show you Uniques and Exalts

[south cosmos]

Just filter double exalted and t7 and price it at 100k-200k and hope it sells. I give up trying to find out what sells with the current UI

[signal idol]

learning what sells takes time, ideally you would know all the meta builds and those are the items that will sell, or for starters learn few items to look out for, if you try to literally learn each and ever stat that's gonna be money from scratch you'll price check stuff more than actually playing the game

[teal willow]

that sounds like a job due to the UI, i'll just go COF

[mossy grotto]

t7 affixes, some t6, gotta kinda follow meta a bit like mostly falconer/warlock/runemaster builds. stuff like int, dex, necro res etc etc

[strange lodge]

I'ts not hard to learn, it just requieres alot of time; as I new player I read all endgame meta builds, and spent 6 hours doing a decent filter which I update regularly, I used last epoch tools and many other sites to learnas much as possible, now I can craft and sell decent enough items and they get bought

[mild linden]

either you try to sell for meta builds or just put the exalted items you find up for sale, everything will sell.
t7 stats will sell
move speed boots will sell
double exalted will sell
like the other guys are saying, put the price at 100-200k

[compact turtle]

double hp idols, some skills +3/+4 on helmet/chest, in general you can look up most popular skills / idols used by builds listed on LEtools, but that takes time

[hollow holly]

You still have to make a good loot filter in CoF, lmao

[round wasp]

you just use the meta to guide your filter. Ele/res idols. frost claw stuff. cold res for LL stackers, Dex gear for ballista boys, falconry bases, ivory/bone amulet bases ,etc etc

[teal willow]

I guess that will be based on just my build, not 20 other builds at the same time 😛

[signal idol]

tbh if you don't want to put in the effort, it's not like CoF will solve all your problems, you still have to grind up high corruption and it won't be showering you with upgrades even if you get 2-3x the loot

[round wasp]

you only have to filter for the stuf YOU WANT not the stuff that sells. that's an insane amount of difference, and work, and time, and knowledge required

[mossy grotto]

If anything COF filter would be way more stict, or else half your screen is just items all the time

[mild linden]

only if you plan to just play 1 build. if not, your filter needs good t7 exalts to play another builds

[teal willow]

Alright ill have a filter to show only T7 stat . thanks all.

[gray spruce]

Just filter exalteds, later you learn the stats that are the most requested by meta builds

[naive vapor]

you do, but you dont need to care about what t7 on what base sells better, or what combination of mods on an exalted would sell, and to make loot filter around these
CoF you mostly filter what you want, T7s, double/triple exalted

[south cosmos]

T7 and double exalted

[mild linden]

cof needs indeed to be more strict, you get over double exalted dont you

[native gorge]

Crit attr + health will cover a lot of builds

[south cosmos]

2 t6 of health and valuable affixes sells for a lot

[round wasp]

CoF loses to MG for experienced players with a lot of knowledge, because experience in MG lets you exploit other peoples lack of knowledge for massive gains

[hollow holly]

"CoF you mostly filter what you want, T7s, double/triple exalted" That's also literally what sells in MG

[night lantern]

MG needs like a supply/demand tracker along with a "request board"

[gray spruce]

with the diffence being you include other t7 than just to your build

[teal willow]

thanks I'll do that and then do some research on idols for now

[strange lodge]

I'm lvl 75 and I've been able to sell alaready 3 items for 200k/200k and 450k

All rare

[south cosmos]

Idols just double health affixes at least for me others i dont really care

[mild linden]

tbh the only thing it rlly needs imo is more ui.
search for multiple stats individually so you can search t7+t5 easily etc

[teal willow]

oh god i really dont wanna sift thru rares

[gray spruce]

meta builds based itens, right:?

[strange lodge]

Yes, and I barely get exalted I'm just starting

[native gorge]

Rares are often more valuable than t6, it's kinda goofy

[teal willow]

so anyone got a rare filter

[signal idol]

i mean, 1lp uniques being 0g and 0lp uniques of the same one being 250-500k says it all xD

[south cosmos]

Yeah 😂 cause most people cant buy exalted yet

[strange lodge]

I think it's due to rank 7 req for exalted, people want item faster than that

I have a filter but it's really flawled, don't have much knowledge yet

[native gorge]

MG heavily punishes playing an off meta build

[mild linden]

no, rares you dont filter and sell, rares that sell are already crafted or almost crafted,

lets say you try and craft an upgrade and miss by a mod or just crafting potencial left but you miss a roll

sell that item, imo ofc

sometimes is just something niche someones needs and searches, that ofc for meta builds, your failed upgrades will sell for lvling, at least thats been my experience

[round wasp]

i filter for hybrid health/%health/rare class affix and if the rare i find has health LP i might hit it with a discovery and try my luck. but i also have unlimited despairs/hopes/creations from being CoF on my alt

[strange lodge]

Yes the rares I've sold, I just yolo remove affix and get nearly perfec T20 of meta builds

[naive vapor]

what i meant was CoF filter is more straight forward, MG filter takes more to minmax
as an example some T7s or combinations of double exalted wont sell in MG, , and you might want to hide those. in CoF you probably stash them cause your next build might want to use them

[round wasp]

I sold a t7 dex relic for 3.2m

[mild linden]

imo, if it is a combo worth keeping in cof, its just worth to put it for sale, its not like you lose something no?

[gray spruce]

that implies that one can give an item from MG to a CoF character, make rerolls, and get the item back to sell it?

[round wasp]

no, you just share crafting mats between characters

[gray spruce]

ahh you loot more of the runes needed for a good craft on the CoF

[mild linden]

thats also a good point, 1 of the alts should be cof, just for the infinite ammount of despairs etc

[round wasp]

you get them deterministically from prophecies, like 44x hope for 5k favor or whatever at rank 10

[gray spruce]

thats nice to know

[hollow holly]

CoF does get more gold/glyphs/runes but certain affixes you can also buy in MG and shatter so that's a big pro.

[teal willow]

Okay for example I have a exalted necklace. it has t7 spell dmg, t6 hp, then t4 dmg ove time, and t4 dodge. 32 forging potential. How much would that go?

[round wasp]

that's the other thing, asking people to price items is asking a huge amount of labor and the sum of possibly hundreds of hours of experience

[teal willow]

ill go look it up on the stall

[strange lodge]

Doesn't seem like much, unless you can chaos it and make something better for a build

[mild linden]

2 things, if you want a detail price check and actuallly get to know, you need to go search, go to the necklace vendor, search for just the t7, then search t7 + health and find out

if you dont want to bother, 200k if it doenst sell for 1 day go lower and do that with everything ( you will lose on some deals ofc, thats the downside)

[gray spruce]

😂

[hollow holly]

You check the base, then compare the affixes to the base and if it's the only one you can do 500k-1mill because someone might be desperate enough.

[cold cargo]

depends on whether the base is good or not as well

[mild linden]

true, base, implicits rolls, is the t7 good, by it self, are the rest of the mods decent, is it something you are selling to slam in lp gear, is it something craftable to wear, all matters ofc

[teal willow]

the item is gone, it was in the stall window i exited and now i went back its not there 😄. the AH ate it

[hollow holly]

Also even if the base is terrible, it can be used as legendary fodder so it also has that value to it.

[teal willow]

oh well i'll try again when i get another double exalted. so far i wish i went COF. this sucks

[keen veldt]

Is there a separate way to farm Merchants Guild favor other than grinding monoliths and selling/buying items?

[mild linden]

you can change btw, if you rlly feel the hastle isnt worth it, just swap, you lose a big portion but if the game is more fun for you, do it

[teal willow]

well it just deleted my only double exalted

[hollow holly]

For reputation you just want to buy the merchant vendor items and if you want to swap you can always do that. 100 corruption is pretty easy

[keen veldt]

the NPC vendors items? or other players items

[mild linden]

spending favor, grants you favor, just that

[hollow holly]

I heard that NPC vendors were the fastest way

[keen veldt]

perfect, thank you!

[teal willow]

anyone here have the AH delete their item while in the stall window b4 listing?

[mild linden]

it is faster i think but you spend way more gold that way as well

[teal willow]

ill report it as a bug i guess, damnit

[proper prawn]

DID U PRESS F YET

[royal stirrup]

Anyone give me a lift to teh bazaar ign Estuq (wrong name)

[hollow sand]

I just bought it rly fast

[distant shale]

Sooo if you have an alt in merchant

can you buy an item there and use it on your CoF char
i think the answer is no

[past onyx]

correct answer

[strange dust]

Has anyone made an excel sheet for high value affixes and uniques

[light lagoon]

https://imgur.com/a/tYWo2Zf

[teal willow]

whats that in english say

[light lagoon]

i got 3,5kk boots for 10k

[tiny spire]

Blood of the exile boots ?

[light lagoon]

Yes, right

[peak dagger]

Poor guy selling that boot without checking price carefully

[teal willow]

he didn't wanna deal with the UI

[peak dagger]

understandable

[native gorge]

i dont wanna run to every vendor and fill in affixes to price check

[peak dagger]

but that one is unique. not that hard to pc. rare is just hell tho

[light lagoon]

ye thats true, we need 1 vendor for all, it will be more convenient

[swift valley]

is bazar locked ?

[tiny spire]

then do it like me, price every item I think is good at 200k :D

[pastel marlin]

thats how you accidentally sell an item worth 300mil for 200k

[remote orbit]

do people actually have 300 million

[pastel marlin]

yes

[tiny spire]

random item > 300 mil
Surely

[pastel marlin]

there was a guy in here a few days after launch bragging about selling a nearly perfect 4lp whatever for 8mil. everyone was just like dude you missed like 3 zero's

[silk rivet]

Empy buying 4LP runemaster chest for 500k gold was so sad

[pastel marlin]

yeah that things actually worth like 5 bil lmao
that the kinda item you get and you just RMT it for your entire rent that month

[silk rivet]

Yeah.... I felt so bad for the random newbie that lost so much unintentionally. But oh well

[remote orbit]

Oh is empy in MG? I thought all the streamers were doing CoF

[silk rivet]

Empy and snap groups went MG yeha

[pastel marlin]

empy has a whole group whose sole purpose was pushing as high corruption as possible they hit 2k before they stopped

[tacit anchor]

https://imgur.com/a/RTpDMWg
wts this boots 4m. i sell here cuz "seal affix" didnt appear on bazaar.

[sharp salmon]

looks like solid 200k boots

[tacit anchor]

make it urself pls

[silk rivet]

Considering its a t6 and experimentals always seal, yes, they look like 200k boots, no ofense

[tacit anchor]

dont worry alraedy sold 3m . dummy peopple like u just farm 1m per day wont afford it LOL

[coral arch]

they got a quite good seal high tier stats overall and a good base as an experimental with forging potential left 200k would be crazy

[tacit anchor]

dont worry mate lof of people didnt know seal affix work. they very rng. sometimes already sealed but forging pot already 0 XD. i already sold lot of sealed item and yea sometimes i brick my item too XD. they just exalted licker and 0 price hunter XD

[coral arch]

Yh getting a high tier seal while still getting other stats to high tier isnt as easy with the forging potential if ur unlucky I dont even drop good bases if I drop good stats its on like a lvl 10 base lmao

[tacit anchor]

have lot of sealed affix but the problem is , they affix didnt appear on bazaar . already report it but noone fix it

[coral arch]

F good thing I went cof for beginning on my Hc char idk If trading would be hella worth it for me I like the idea of it but with my luck of drops it would be a disaster

[tacit anchor]

yea lot of cof people just want "enjoy their game" they said but some people enjoy economy side being main part of the game too. honestly bazaar still need lot of upgrades lol. their ui experiences teribble i agree with their opinion. also my very whacky thing that seal affix wont appear. cuz exalted or good rare item stat is hard to sell now. people need 5 stat for their upgrade

[coral arch]

Yh I get that seal items def need to be fixed in their since that would be main endgame economy together with good 3-4lp items I dropped myself a 86% phys dmg relic yesterday but the base is a 11mana grail so big F in my book

[past onyx]

plz shorter messages for this kind of stuff... thx

[graceful flint]

seems more like a no messages for this kind of stuff thing. since its advertising and trying to sell filters? lol

[remote orbit]

wait you're selling a loot filter?

[tacit anchor]

and ur sold track just 4 pages? XD i alreaady 50 pages with free lootfilter . avreage cheap price 100k++ and expensive sold 10 pages 500k-5m

[stone halo]

why would I buy your loot filter if you just gave away the trade secret to it?

manually selecting the best items from the builds

[past onyx]

lp?

[graceful flint]

any of the weavers on the item you are trying to buy already used up? in which case it would be legendary and the price would make sense
normally the favour price for buying is just 4x listing price (and quick checking says weavers that are at unique rarity are like 1,2k which would check out math wise)

[unkempt ermine]

yeah that's 100% what happened, once a single point of Weaver has been used the item is now Legendary. If you sort by price L->H then that would likely bring up some L weaver items w/ WW left

people often just give up on the Weaver item once they get one bad option/first bad option and list for 0g lol

[molten spindle]

Some are priced terribly for sure

because if listing were expensive nobody would be listing so market would be empty

yeah won't get back favor

sure

[vagrant trellis]

My filter is just hide all common/magic/rare, show some affixes. Nothing more I think

[vale token]

so if i have a COF char at level 10 and MAKE a new char joining MG and level it to 10, each new char i make has free access to either guild at level 10?

BUT if i delete my last char beeing in one of th guilds my level 10 progress is deleted?

[vagrant trellis]

I believe progress is not tied to character at all and that you lose favor when you swap

[vale token]

so i lose favor when i swap but i dont lose favor when i join the other guild on a NEW char?
thats a bit of a weird behavior tbh 😄

[vagrant trellis]

Are you sure you dont lose favor when you join the other guild on a new character? Heard someone saying he lost it

[vale token]

No i m not sure 😅, i was just wondering if it works that way since i only heard ppl say they lost favor by swapping

[vagrant trellis]

I think you still lose favor. How it works from my understanding is that you get to keep your progress if you swap, but it should be the only thing you keep. This makes having a cof and a mg character at the same time hard.

[vale token]

I see but once you own both factions you still can earn favor in both? On different chars that is? So the penalty only applies for the initial process? Also kinda weird then 😂

[brittle viper]

Is the favor and guild rank tied to character or the acct

[solar jacinth]

Reputation(progress in the guild's ranks) is "stash-bound", any char that can access a stash has the same reputation. So it's separate between cycle and legacy, online-offline, (and HC?)
Favour is character bound

[grim flint]

Hey guys , DM me if u are interested in a complete pricelist of all Uniques ingame . 🙂 (spent 4 hours to look up every Uniques min. LP and min. WW req to be worth something). Keep up the Grind my guys ❤️

[tribal crypt]

Is it the same one someone posted on the subreddit?

[unique void]

is merchant better than COF ?

[astral python]

What are your expectations for merchant guild?

[unique void]

gains more gold to buy more stash

(rn i've just been doing CoF Arena keys, current rank 8)

[astral python]

Fair enough. More stash is a priority for a few people in here when they mentioned that. Biggest downside for guild is waiting in searching for a sellable item and for a buyer to choose your item out of the hundreds of pages of copies.

[torn hatch]

merchant guild is in bad need of price check feature

[unique void]

oh, i thought you can just sell items to npc for a fair price. If that's the case, it's way more headache than i care to go through LOL. If anything, i'd end up needing more stash cause i need to store more items to sell

[astral python]

Peer to peer market. At the bazaar, you interact with a specific NPC to list a specific type of gear for sale for other players to see.

There is a ring NPC, another one for one-handed sword, another NPC for two-handed sword, etc

[round wasp]

i made 12m today, i might be an MG convert

[round dune]

I just searched for rare relics with + levels of smite on hardcore bazaar

There are only 2

[hollow juniper]

gents, does any1 have a "generic" market filter ?

[naive storm]

first you need to at least search by range of rolls))

[strange lodge]

@hollow juniper Just uploaded mine, it's still a work in progress and I'm still new to the game but it has worked pretty good so far

https://www.lastepochtools.com/loot-filters/view/KBaMeYBv

[hollow juniper]

thanks, will check it out 🤗

[strange lodge]

There is no need to rush for rep, just by playing the market you'll level fast, I for example I'm out of favor and I have tons of items I want to sell lol

[wary pier]

Yeah I ended up acuminating 10 tabs worth of stuff to sell but not enough favor so I've made my filter a lot stricter today. Think ive gone a little to hard but as I only see 1 or 2 drops per mono now

[strange lodge]

Oh damn I have only half a tab, yes making it strict and keeping an eye for good crafteable potential is really good

[wary pier]

ive kind of made it now so needs 2 perfect mods on perfect bases or its just hidden and just target farming idols now because they seem to be the best return for favor to post

[strange lodge]

We need a more complex loot filter, it still a bit limited

[wary pier]

donno if its possible but if we get a 3rd party tool like awakened poe trade the filter would be fine like it is

[warped valve]

Anyone know what the current price of Red Ring of Altaria?

[median elm]

I've been searching for one, yours seems great since it also has rares tbh

[strange lodge]

Yes, I searched alot for one also but nobody has posted a proper one yet. So I made one, I'm only lvl 81 tho so it's still has many flaws imo

[median elm]

I'm only 72 so it will be perfect for me thanks

[tiny spire]

Are there any tips on how to find decently stated generic idols? I'm currently trying with "snatching" newly posted items and with gold limits but it's kinda hard finding what you want among the hundreds of pages

[tiny spire]

They're slowly dropping below 6mil

[past ingot]

Does anyone have a list of valuable uniques to look out for?

[median elm]

If you're lvl 7 and buy an exalted, can you gift it to a friend who's only say lvl 3 ?

[tiny spire]

Someone made a google spreadsheet for that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmlbm7TFJ30&t=908s

[past ingot]

tyvm

[strange lantern]

is there a limit to how many items you can have listed at your stall?

[astral python]

Gifting is fine and not affected.

@strange lantern There is no limit.

[median elm]

So you can gift the perfect item to a lvl 1 merchant guild friend ? That's sweet thanks

[fossil canopy]

any news about the stash/gold/rune wipe?

[sweet iron]

How u guys farm the red ring in this faction?

[lofty canopy]

Hey guys , i have 2 loots filter for MG , is there any way to merge them ?

[distant thorn]

anyone have any luck selling some of the more wilder prices higher end items? I was mimic'ing the pricing but yeah, I dont know how many people would actually be able to buy.

[brisk isle]

i highly doubt its 1 in 50h, i started playing as a duo with a friend yesterday. We are at Level 94 and both of us already dropped 2 obsidian and ~10+ golden resonance. Do you have a source for there drop rate?

how many did he got?

how many golden did you guys got in that time frame?

you didnt answer my question though? I just want to know how many you got so i can compare them to our drops, since obsidian are to rare to get a good idea about there drop rate with this small sample size.

you never played 100 hours then, me and my friend both have more then 10, and we played for around 20 hours (this included all the afk time or bazzar buying stuff). We spend max 15 hours mapping. Not sure about the exact time spend, this is a estimate on the high end.

[tropic patio]

i can confirm that golden reso is very common

[wispy sage]

how dming your steam profile will confirm you indeed played 100 h with your duo mate together? i dont think he meant you did not spend 100 hours total in the game. He meant with your duo. Cuz well, i am also confused to hear u've got 16 goldens after 100 hours of playing together. I've played like 2 hours with my friend and got 2 resonances

But anyways, how is merchants guild feeling rn? I feel like trying it out after doing CoF on my 2 characters, but i've heard complaints on how it currently works

[azure bridge]

the only problem of the merchant is all those stupid guys price item to 0

[wispy sage]

So there're still people who believe that favor they get depends on selling item and not just listing it, i see

But how does getting favor feel? is it slower/faster compared to CoF? Cuz well, ranks are scary. The fact that you can only start trading exalted items at rank 7 kinda stops me from going merchants atm, cuz it took me some time for CoF to get there

[brisk isle]

At high corruptions you get a lot more favor / xp, Rank 7 should be quite esay to reach

[grim flint]

Hey guys , DM me if u are interested in a complete pricelist of all Uniques ingame . 🙂 (spent 4 hours to look up every Uniques min. LP and min. WW req to be worth something). Keep up the Grind my guys ❤️

[azure bridge]

At how many weaver will you think item can start to cost a litlle bit ?

[tropic patio]

17+ and it still depends on which one

[azure bridge]

ok is just because i got gloves +19

[tropic patio]

You can easily filter that when searching too, better to take a look

Just type weavers 19 - 19 after selecting the unique

[azure bridge]

250 000

[mossy burrow]

ay folks, how to obtain affinity?

[spare terrace]

anyone got a sheet or smt like that for items worth selling?

[cosmic moss]

I wish you could search for specific stats on uniques and not have to search 1800 of them to find the 4/4/4 Talons of Valor bow

[lone oak]

u should search for crit chance

[tardy terrace]

do u have to sell stuff to lvl the auction house or is normal xp enought? cuz its such a pain i want to move over to cof if thats the case

[cosmic moss]

You can buy stuff to spend favor also, buying 3LP items are the easiest way

[tardy terrace]

yeh i cant buy any decent items yet, im at lvl 4 atm ... the filters are so bad i cant find the items i need to buy and sell, i play invetory simulator

[teal sable]

You don't need to buy and sell if you don't want to. You get rep/ranks by earning and spending favor. If you don't want to buy or sell anything just spent it at the gambler.

[tardy terrace]

the one in the hub ? or dungeon gambler

[astral python]

bazaar gambler with her pet alligator

[teal sable]

The one at the bazaar.

[tropic patio]

you bonk things. The stronger the thing is, the more affinity

[frozen rune]

99% of items priced 0 gold are either t6 exalts which are useless since they are common and you can get t7 for cheap in most cases or uniques that are very common, your items aren't worth anything if you can find them for 0 gold lol

[astral python]

You earn twice the reputation when you redeem your Favor for one of the bazaar gambler's wares. The amulet is the most expensive at 8000 favor that gives you 16000 rep in return

[teal sable]

You always earn double the rep for the favor you spent. No matter how you spent it.

[frozen rune]

You should reach level 7 by character level 97 at the max, it's really not that much tbh even for a casual player.

[radiant hamlet]

How are you guys figuring out what to list good things for? I found a 4 LP Murama's Hilt and there's zero on the Merchant Guild for reference.

[signal idol]

repeat this for most of the items you find and divide good ones and bad ones... also knowledge about which stats are good and meta builds will do the heavy lifting but it's not something you just get on command

[vapid scaffold]

does "relic" count as weapon or armor

[astral python]

A relic is a relic in of itself

[little tusk]

lf someone in bazaar right now i can teleport to, very much appreciated. my ign veantz

[summer kraken]

Imagine, swaddling of the erased, is there a way to filter the bazzar to only show the ones that have like +5all atributes?

[vapid scaffold]

yeah but u need a specific rank to buy LP

[astral python]

What is your actual question given that a relic is neither a weapon or armor?

[tropic patio]

anything that isn't a weapon has the armor faction level restriction

[pearl iris]

I mean lvl 7 rank and lvl 8 rank which allow you to deal in all exalted items, and all unique items. There isnt really ranks that specifically state armor.

[lofty marsh]

anyone got any smite hammerdin gear for sale?

[junior niche]

what level do you guys reached rank 8? 98?

[lime oasis]

Highly random dependant on how much u personally interact with the faction.

[junior niche]

does actually selling an item have an effect in favor gain vs just listing it?

[frosty bear]

when item is sold u get only $. I'm lvl 87 and lvl 7 in the guild

[junior niche]

How is that? I'm lvl 93 and still need 40k to lvl 7. spending all my favors thru selling....

[lone ruin]

95+ is wayyyyyyy longer than usual...
i think i hit MG 8 around 96 or 95?

[thin trout]

jesus christ this rep system feels so bad.

[vale token]

No its awesome

[steel sandal]

dose any one have (Mourningfrost) 4LP or (Jungle Queen's Chaps of Holding) 4LP

[frosty bear]

@junior niche think its cos i enjoyed compain and side quests and normal monolith way more then you, i started empowered monololith closer to ~ lvl 75.
So had to kill more mobs for less xp - more favor

[frosty bear]

The only problem i see , as u need to adjust the loot filter, to get good items for other classes , not just your own.
Plus don't be a ret who sells rare items for stupid prices, i usually sell all yellows around 30-50k if they are really good

[thin trout]

im sitting on 11m gold. thats not the proble. the issue is gating what you can do on the AH behind 200+ played hours. The economy is ruined with ppl needing to sell items for 0 gold to gain favor its a complete joke honestly. And GJ with all these gates for RMT.. $2.20/m i see advertised in chat non stop? stupid company their age shows.

@frosty bear "its not all that bad".. its also not all that good

[frosty bear]

I see what you saying, but its not all that bad.
For my rune wizzard everything is overpriced👺

[weak yoke]

Are there any Merchant Guild Clans?

[junior niche]

I see. so its actually mob kill not exp. I was under the impression thats its EXP based.

[night lantern]

any downside to joining MG with one char and having COF on another char?

[frosty bear]

U can't equip mg items if you are COF, and vica versa, if thats what u ask

[teal sable]

No one needs to sell for 0g to get rep. People do it because they are dumb. They could have explained the system better though I will give you that.

[night lantern]

does your COF char lose favor if your alt joins MG? Or is loss of favor only per-char rather than acct?

[frosty bear]

Even your main character keeps the cof rep, if u switch on it

[night lantern]

I am asking about the currency - not the reputation level

[frosty bear]

Oh+)

[night lantern]

I'm getting conflicting info that if you join one faction, you lose favor accountwide on the other faction upon switching

[junior niche]

You can even switch to CoF if your char is MG. your listing will not be visible during that time but youll see it again once you rejoin MG.

[night lantern]

You're really not understanding my question lol - I want to play with MG in my alt char and wonder if my main char will lose favor with CoF if my alt joins MG

[junior niche]

You do not as the guy above said you will keep it all.

[thin trout]

Its a failed system the rep grind is far too much. waiting 2 months into a league for a market to normalize in a 3 month cycle is embarassing. More importantly, the entire economy is based on a currency that has nothing holding its value. You get way too much of it naturally against what you can spend it on. There is nothing keeping 1m gold worth 1m gold, hyperinflation. You need a market based around a crafting material or something with intrinsic value sink supporting it. Not being able to relist items youve bought (say buying base, then crafting on it, then selling it) is completely uninteresting and not healthy for a market. And from a casual perspective, the resonance system is horrible. You cant trade with your friends unless you play with them even though party play in this game is punishing and buggy. Zero thought went into these systems. 20 minutes of unbias conversation would have solved these issues, but for some reason EHG hates trade so much but monetarily are incentivized to bring it in for game sales

[junior niche]

Links will get delete. well if thats the case then you already have all the info you need... as far as game chat goes you dont lose any but i guess thats wrong if your link is legit.

[teal sable]

I think the market is already normalizing. When I hit rank 7 I could get godly tier7 exalteds for 0g because people didn't understand the system now I am more than happy to get a decen one for 1 mil.
I agree that favor needs changing and that rank 7 and 8 are way too much time investment for non hardcore players. IMHO they need to heavily nerf favor gain in high corruption and buff it before that. That would also make it so that you are not trolling by not playing a meta build that can clear 1000c.
You will always have items that are basically not worth anything though. That's normal. Inflation is also totally normal. An extremly rare item at the start of a cycle is obviously worth less because people don't have that much money to spend at the start. I will have to see how bad it gets before judging it though.
I agree with most of what you wrote but your statement from before that people have to sell at 0 gold to get rep was just wrong.

[thin trout]

its the most cost-efficient way to gain favor quickly to access market. A better way would be to spend gold on items you dont need?

[teal sable]

Why would it be more expensive to actually price an item instead of giving it away for free? It's not even the most time-effiecient. If you don't care about selling it just go the gambler.

[thin trout]

Because its slow. You list items for an arbitrary amount for a sale that more than likely wont be realized.. spending all that time pricing an item in a completely unstable market when you could use that time to be in maps gaining more rep than youre making sitting in bazaar for 30 minutes

[junior niche]

You gain rep by spending favor. this is regardless if you sell an item or not.

[teal sable]

Still faster to go to the gambler than or just throw them in there for 50-100k. There just is never a reason to sell at 0g.

[thin trout]

Gambler is a good point I didn't consider

[teal sable]

Or just throw them in there for 30-100k without checking. I sold tons of rares for 50-150k. The whole selling for 0g was just based on a lot of people not understanding the system. Which is understandable because it really wasn't explained well.

I think a better lootfilter and better filter options would solve a lot of problems. Until then I don't fell confident judging how the economy is doing.

[waxen minnow]

Hot take 7,8 rep grind wasn't that bad lol idk if i was doing it inefficiently but i dumped everything into that npc vendors for rep, main complaint with the merchant system is to many zero value uniques floating on the market, even at 3LP. Would be nice if it could yield more gold from selling it to a vendor so the markets not flooded with trash.

[thin trout]

Right. Thats what everyone seems to be doing. Arbitrary listings for favor in hopes of making money off the favor. Which to my point, hurts the market.

But how long are you going to wait into a 3 month cycle to see a market actually normalize? Are you happy waiting 1 month? 2 months? Will it even be healthy by end of league? How many people are even going to be playing by week 14? And the biggest issue is the gold not being supported by anything. The hyperinflation will continue through leagues when market realizes gold is useless.

I really feel like this bazaar system wasnt given any real thought beyond "how to make this the most un-user friendly town? 40 different vendors for all base types! genius!" ships

[teal sable]

I really can't answer that. What is a "healthy market"? I am more afraid there won't be market at all if better filter options and a better loot filter don't come soon. Feels to me like most people switched over to CoF or can't be bothered to list stuff because of how cumbersome it is. I really don't care about inflation right now I just hope they act fast enough so there will even be enough people left that want to trade.

[junior niche]

I made 2m today selling idols. I was not aware decent one sells so fast.

[waxen minnow]

HP is so valuable

[thin trout]

@fading basalt is a free market hater, so doubt it

[teal sable]

Don't ping devs... I also don't want a free market. I think not beeing able to resell is good. I think favor is good in theory just not implemented right.

[pallid cedar]

Primalist and Santinel are not playable. played on a forge, paladin and bear, collected all the resists 150, armor 10-12 thousand = 78-80% resist, almost everything kills you, armor in the game is useless, especially puddles and any element of breath from monsters, Mages and warlocks without armor , have a shield many times greater than mile class health + they are not forced to face, Falconer simply kills everything...
There is only one conclusion, melee classes are useless with their useless armor and small amount of health, compared to the shields of magic classes, I won’t even talk about damage.
I don’t even want to talk about endurance, it doesn’t help much, and even if you’re miles away from health, resists, and endurance, you’ll collect where to get damage from.
For some reason, the Santinel or Primalist skills do not increase health and stamina, like the shield of magicians...

[plush lava]

Hö? Playing Warpath Void Knight. Don´t have good gear. Can do 100 Corruption easily. Idk what you are doing ^^

[compact turtle]

you can have paladin with 30-50k ward facerolling bosses, but he indeed slower clearing that falconer / warlock, they're simply more broken at this point

[pallid cedar]

or maybe just make adequate armor mechanics for miles of classes, and not force everyone into the game through a shield

[kindred rock]

Armour applies to spell damage at 70% effectiveness

[pallid cedar]

then you need to remove armor from the game and do all the things for miles of classes with endurance, to reduce physical damage there is an element....
as I said above, puddles and breath kill in a second even through armor and maximum resists; in fact, armor is simply useless.
And this is the main stat in things for the Guardian

[frozen rune]

DoT is deadly for everyone. Here, this is a good VK build, 12-18k EHP, u can probably get a lot higher with BiS gear. If u want to clear like 600+ corruption you probably do need a ward-generator based build though.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/bBG5Kz4A

[simple knoll]

Void Knight, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (56) / Forge Guard (27)

General:

▸ Health: 2,966, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 138, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 47 Str / 13 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 33 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 66% / 109% / 69% / 90% / 69% / 94%
▸ EHP: 11,194 / 10,269 / 11,194 / 15,521 / 11,194 / 10,511 / 11,194

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 50%, Threshold: 638
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (52)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 61% (4,597)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 60%

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Physical / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Hammer Stance (Anvil Stance)

Used skills:

• Rive (22)
• Abyssal Echoes (22)
• Void Cleave (22)
• Volatile Reversal (22)
• Anomaly (22)

Used unique items:

• Titan Heart
• Apathy's Maw
• Swaddling of the Erased
• Shattered Chains
• Siphon of Anguish
• Omnis
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[pallid cedar]

If I want builds that can do at least something, there are many sites and Void Knight, perhaps the strongest of the guards at the moment, the blacksmith is generally weak.
But we are talking about the uselessness of the main stat for a mile of heroes, armor is completely useless

[vast lily]

HLLO guys, every cycle the factions will reset?

[limpid aurora]

yes

[nimble basalt]

I'm under the impression that most items are listed with completely random prices... I'm right?

[limpid aurora]

think the only thing thats 'fixed' is the favor cost, gold is set by the seller

[latent dune]

level 5 mg rank, how do i level up?

[limpid aurora]

farm items sell items, buy items, gamble items

[compact turtle]

clear as high corruption monos as you can comfortably, and most importantly pick the ones with the tomes as reward, each tome awards both xp for rank and favor

[nimble basalt]

I've joined the Merchant Guild thinking that i'd have an easier time looking for the exact item i want, but after looking at the filter i guess i was wrong 🤣

[compact turtle]

it is easier but it has an upfront investment requirement of you to grind the ranks up

[nimble basalt]

Ranking is ok .. but why i cannot filter "totem", for example? Is way too generic

[compact turtle]

filters are crap, no argument there, but you can still narrow things down a bit with proper affixes if you know what youre looking for

[nimble basalt]

I hope they will improve the filter in the future. The mechanic is great, like ranking and no reselling are nice. No way to exploit

[vale lodge]

any good way of seeing what an item is worth? or is it just take a look at the bazaar and guess

[crisp wharf]

Any one got a good filter to pick up good items that have a resell value to place in Bazaar that people will be interested in? (or a guide/video that talks about it?)

[drowsy anvil]

Hey guys can any of you find "chance to shread armor on hit" affix on amulets on bazar?

[compact turtle]

shred affix isnt available for search, should be fixed in one of the patches

[drowsy anvil]

damn thank you, i thought i was losing my mind

ok another question, how much would this cost? https://i.imgur.com/uYPgQxn.png
im thinking 1 mil is fair

[grim flint]

Hey guys , DM me if u are interested in a complete pricelist of all Uniques ingame . 🙂 (spent 4 hours to look up every Uniques min. LP and min. WW req to be worth something). Keep up the Grind my guys ❤️

[rapid brook]

hi guys, how can i find shred armor stat? i mean search on auction

[nimble falcon]

not on there, bugged atm

[polar wind]

People have been talking about combining loot filters. Is there any conflict with just copy-pasting the text from one .xml to another?

Apparently it's very well formatted with <Rule> </Rule> for each entry.

So one would assume it's fine to copy paste and save the sections you want to add.

[oak swallow]

is 3 legendary potential battlemages endeavour any good/valuable?

[tropic patio]

funnily enough the trading restrictions do a good job against rmt, demand is low cause your average gold buyer didn't level their faction rep yet.

The average buyer isn't someone grinding 13 hours a day just needing extra gold, its the turbo casuals that just want to get what they want immediately

The problem is, it ends up affecting legit players even harder

[radiant nebula]

How active is merchants guild on legacy?

[tropic patio]

most people usually play cycles/leagues so it shouldn't be too active

[polar wind]

"turbo casuals" That's a good term. Gonna be stealing that 🙂

That being said, after a while (1-3 cycles), since items stay there forever, you should be finding everything you need. It's maybe just selling that will be lower

[rustic matrix]

What’s the difference between rank 6 and rank 8 unique purchasing

[nimble falcon]

rank 8 lets you buy with LP

[twin elk]

@cunning finch

[tropic patio]

yeah i was a bit surprised that items just permanently stay up for sale, if you have enough rep thats just a second stash lol

I do wonder if that doesn't cause issues for them? the amount of items posted will only increase over time

In poe for instance your listings are limited by your premium tab space, so its somewhat self regulated.

[rustic matrix]

Doesn’t rank 6 say buy uniques with LP? And R3 lets you buy specific uniques with no LP?

[nimble falcon]

no. thats why I said what I did

one lets you get unique weapons

[rustic matrix]

Ohhhh tyty

[polar wind]

I posted this in the Feedback forums if you guys like it and want to Upvote it.
I know... It feels weird to ask for votes here, but it's something simple that feels so obvious that should happen this way.
https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/merchant-guild-chest-should-reward-favor-rep/66722

And it's a minor thing. But psychologically could have a nice impact 🙂

[outer snow]

any loot filters for "higher priced items" available? Now that im pushing high corruption and am pretty much maxed out in my current build minus some 3LP items i am trying to hopeuflly eventually get id like to be able to potentially sell other items to purchase them if i dont get them to drop natively and didnt kow if there was a filter made by anyone yet that had that information.

[glacial sun]

some people are selling their loot filters for real money. don't fall for that, obviously. but it's a big undertaking making one, it involves hours of price checking and somehow fitting rules into a filter when they cap it at 75 rules. plus prices fluctuate constantly

[outer snow]

it wouldnt be overly hard to do i just rather use someone elses then go to the top builds and look at gear and make my own, which i probably will eventually do but its a pita

[glacial sun]

we're saying the same thing lol

it's not that it's complex, but it's a pain to create so most people don't want to. but if anyone does I hope they link it in here

[remote orbit]

there might be a couple here https://www.lastepochtools.com/loot-filters/

[outer snow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/loot-filters/view/KBaMeYBv i wound up taking thiws one and am tweaking it