💰┃merchants-guild

[bleak moon]

the point is you spend favor that will be convert to your exp rank merchant

[true dawn]

from where Im at, I need to spend 65k favor just to get to rank 5

[remote orbit]

yes, but you're not getting anything in return. If you just want to spend favor, wouldn't you just list then unlist over and over? You don't spend favor when it's bought, the buyer does. So you're losing an item for 0 gold

[bleak moon]

yes that why, better using favor to gamble npc(u will get good item or bad)

[remote orbit]

idk, it seems goofy rn. I just want to make gold to spend in lightless arbor or on stash tabs 🤷

[bleak moon]

mostly player is like me in 2days ago , dont know should i sell my unique with 0 price and get favor or smth,but now i know i need to spend favor for getting rank up merchant,better using it on gamble npc,sometime u got exalted with good opt sometime is only normal or magic(the blue one)

[rapid brook]

if you make an alt is the guild unlocked or do you have to get back to chapter 9 on that one?

[bleak moon]

make alt only reset your monolith(start from 0 monolith) but the lvl merchant/cof still in there, but i dont know if switch will affect or not

[naive knot]

you do get rep for listing things, it just takes a moment to actually see it. It's either delayed because it's being done server side on a backend or because the ui doesn't update immediately. not sure which

[true dawn]

Still need the favor to list them tho but it doesn't tell you the return of favor you get from selling it

[naive knot]

it's 2 per point of favour. I put up an exalted item for 700 favour, got 1400 rep for it

[remote orbit]

do you know if it's a ratio of favor spent, or is it 1:1 or something?

oh you just answered as i was typing

[bleak moon]

for people dont know about will getback favor or not , u wont get any favor even cost 10k favor and 3m gold,u only got 3m gold 0 favor

[rapid brook]

so it's better to list then gamble given you don't get double

that's for when it sells not when you list it

[bleak moon]

gamble=fix favor 4200-10k(cmiiw)
listen item=100-unlimited?
sometime u stuck only have 1k favor point,and cant spend on gamble,that why u spend on listen item

[true dawn]

If your getting double for the listings if it sells its better then gambling then I think no?

[remote orbit]

but if it sells you also get gold, which the game has nice gold sinks. unless you just want to go straight to buying tier 7 exalteds, but how are you going to afford it if you don't sell? i don't understand the line of reasoning

[bleak moon]

in case like this>
u only have rank 3 merchant guild
but u want buy t7 exalted(which means u need rank to lvlup to 7 mostly) how to get it is spend u favor ,from listen/gamble npc/buying item on bazaar with u current lvl

[rapid brook]

yeah if you get double rep for listing and I just gambled but it wasn't doubled like listing then it's just better to list things

[naive knot]

when you list an item, you spend favour as basically a "service fee". It's essentially a way to gate the amount of equipment you can flood the auction house with at any time because it's entirely dependent on how much you've been farming/questing. When you spend favour, you get rep back. The ratio is roughly 2 rep to 1 favour. Gambling also gives 2 rep for 1 favour

[remote orbit]

i haven't done any gambling, does anything good happen from it or is it like the standard gambler in end of time?

[naive knot]

actually just checked it now, gambling might give a bit more or the rep return might be a bit variable. The gambling is 4200 favour and I got 9800 rep

[true dawn]

then gambling>listing

[pallid wagon]

You always get double rep for any favor you spend. It doesn't matter if you list it or gamble it.

[tranquil lagoon]

nice

[bleak moon]

just progress until 90 u will have more favor and rank(mostly lvl 9 merchant rank until u hit lvl 90),and about gambling they price is fixed ,some case will same like listen 0 item,u will get nothing...

gamble item=lucky got your item / unique or bad item and will get exp rank
listen item = u lost 500 gold( selling unique can sell on npc for 500gold) and will get exp rank for favor cost

[remote orbit]

you don't spend gold to list items though

[naive knot]

if you're losing gold listing items, you're probably selling crap or doing something wrong. i've already made like 4-5m just by selling decent rares and exalteds

[bleak moon]

no need gold for listen item onyl favor cost

[torpid plover]

so if you sell items with not much leg potential to npc is still worth to rank up?

[remote orbit]

yeah i'm sitting at 2 million right now

[bleak moon]

if uselling item on npc = dont get any favor
more exp/lvl =spend favor
selling to npc=only gold,better than listen 0 item price

[naive knot]

if you have enough favour, give it a check because I did just get 9800 rep for the 4200 favour spend. It might be a rounding error or there's some bonus added to gambling,, who knows

[rapid brook]

I'll need to try it again I didn't see it double so I'll have to check again

[naive knot]

and i did just check again with a listing quickly, a 150 favour rare gave me 300 rep so gambling might just give you 2.33 rep per favour

[bleak moon]

until you hit lvl 7 or 8 forgot which 1 , the trade with merchant is good,below that is bad for me,because u only can buy item in ur rank(mostly is bad opt) that why im suggesting on gamble,than selling 0 gold...

[remote orbit]

i'm selling really good rares though? you only need level 1 for that

[reef kestrel]

there's gamble in mg?

[rapid brook]

yeah

[naive knot]

level 1 lets you sell anything, it's just buying that's gated by the ranks. and there's already plenty of people who are 7+ so you can easily sell most of the stuff you're farming for actual gold

[tranquil lagoon]

gotta figure out the meta for ranking up

[remote orbit]

taron says it's gambling, i like selling stuff though so idk. gold number going up makes my brain go funny

[bleak moon]

i mean , better u spend u favor if u below rank(6) do gamble for rep because u dont need item for listen..if u want selling still ok but at least they had price,if like mostly uniquie with 0 price better sell to npc

[reef kestrel]

So for the nooblet (me), how exactly does guild gambling work? ie is there an npc or am I dumb lol, ran around a few times

[naive knot]

I'll get some more favour to check, but if anyone else wants to check. I did get 2.33 rep from gambling as opposed to the 2 rep from listing. so if you want to push a rank faster it might just be worth gambling initially

[reef kestrel]

oh it's the guild master. I'm dumb, pls ignore.

[bleak moon]

the only gap is here is u rank for buying item(selling mostly doesnt need rank cmiiw even u had legend 3 or 2)and npc gamble is near teleport on bazzar the girl

because mostly people will sell item because they dont need,and want buying more good opt/item..and u will lacked lvl for buying item u want(i mean here is lvl merchant guild)

[mortal garden]

Question, faction progression is character based or general? As in if i create a new character will i have to level up again?

[remote orbit]

if you make another MG character it's shared

[bleak moon]

no for alt char still on current u mg based lvl

[compact patio]

You can post anything you want, only buying is gated, so many items sell for me it’s crazy

[silver pecan]

Hello everyone,

I am trying to change factions.
It's telling me to unequip all faction items (which I have) but it's still not letting me leave it.

Any ideas? Do i need to sell/shatter them before trying to change? Because I have no CoF items on me, in my bank, or equipped.

Thanks !

[tranquil lagoon]

Check your idols

[silver pecan]

Omg thankyou lol! It was literally a little tiny idol. Hahahahahaha

[jolly ginkgo]

I think the problem with the merchants guild is that the bonuses aren’t bonuses. They’re just restrictions on the way you’re choosing to play. IMO as soon as you’re rank one you should be able to buy whatever. Ranking up should give you reduced tariffs on buying/selling, better gold drops, the ability to purchase some of the bonuses that CoF gets. Like give an NPC an exalted item and like 100k and they’ll randomly upgrade a second T6 affix or idk just some bonkers expensive crafting options with random outcomes. Maybe a better gambler? Idk, but the idea should be that you can use gold as a tool to get better items where as CoF is just making all of their drops a little more lucky. There are a lot of routes/options here, but the main thing is MG needs to be easier to trade and have some cool bonuses as you rank up.

lol what if rank 10 MG granted you access to a legit in game casino!

[high grotto]

Sold some 2 LP mourningfrost boots for 3m lmao

[quartz valve]

is target farm a thing?

my bow being selling at 5m+ which is nut

might as well find it myself

[compact patio]

So many trade simulator Andy’s crying, they will 100% dumb it down . Outburst is insane lol

[vagrant trellis]

I think the main issue is how strong trading is in general. You get a really good item with guild? You can sell it and get a really good item you need. You get a really good item with cof? You either use it or there is no use for it. Yes, you might get 3 or 4 times as many good items, but even then it is hard to compare. I think the main issue is that searching for items is rather annoying and very limited, but this is probably by design.

The best "change" I could ask for is improving a bit the item lists UI and showing the range of rolls of items you see in the bazaar

[jolly ginkgo]

CoF is strong as well, you don't have to participate in trade. It's a play style preference, both should feel like they have some bonuses as you're progressing through the guild. Simply lifting restrictions is lame!
The bonuses don't need to be as good, you're right trading is powerful, but you also have to engage with trade so that is already a trade off. Just give us some crazy shit!

Not crazy good, like crazy crazy. It should for sure be gambling adjacent, wild swings, lowwww chance of success.

[compact patio]

Thing is most people are angry they can’t get LP3-4 uniques early. These items are top end game loop and it have to be restricted. You can’t alllow everyone to get it before you are able to get them organically by gameplay. Most CoF ranks are just buffs to drops that were nerfed in 1.0 lol

[hallow bane]

I have become the merchant
https://gyazo.com/ed4ef5e5a24ffbec6914f510c2b6e21b

[jolly ginkgo]

Sounds like there should be a merchant guild's craftsperson who can reroll the LP on a unique for a fee and a chance to brick the item (similar to a vaal orb). How much should this cost 100k, 250, 1 million?

[compact patio]

Nice, how much grinding past level 100 it took? And what corruption you are farming.

[hallow bane]

~500 corruption and im roughly 250m xp past 100

[compact patio]

Nice, Gratz 😄 now you can buy legendary items no one posted 🤣

[hallow bane]

why would no one post them? the rep requirement is only to purchase not to list

[vagrant trellis]

Even if it wasnt restricted those items would cost too much for someone who is starting out, so the restriction is already there. What most people will care about is just being able to get uniques (which you get at rank 2 or 3, I forgot) and idols at rank 4. LP items being higher rank is whatever early on. Especially considering it doesnt really take that long at that point. The fact you can get the build uniques you need instantly and in many cases for no gold makes it so much easier to start out.

[compact patio]

I was joking a bit, I saw some weavers will items but not sure if there are a lot of them now in market ?

[vagrant trellis]

I think most people will buy weavers will items unrolled

[compact patio]

People love them for some reason

[radiant stratus]

Yep sold weavers items with 70k+ gold

[narrow hemlock]

WTS gold

[radiant stratus]

The higher the weaver count the more expensive it is

[small needle]

I mean why does trade have to be nerfed? I thought the whole point of factions was that CoF could play how they want and I could play with trade? At a bare minimum allow reselling. Perfect roll items, for example are going to be non existent because as soon as anyone purchases them they are gone from the game. The market is already small enough to have insane prices with 5-10 perfect items of a particular roll floating around.

It would be better to restrict selling until unlocked tier, the first players to grind to higher levels have access to amazing gear at ridiculously low prices since there is no demand and tons of supply, it has the opposite effect and breaks progression

[red hinge]

screw reselling, dont need flippers in this game

[umbral wren]

if you restricted selling until unlocked tier...wouldn't that mean the opposite of what you said? the first people would be able to own the market and charge whatever they wanted because they are the only ones able to post anything

edit: or do you mean restrict REselling

[magic quiver]

And this is why I am not going with merchant any time soon

[small needle]

But they would only be selling to each other, all the markets are flooded with cheap gear cause no demand

[red hinge]

i like the merchant guild atm, i can try all the builds i find online by buying the cheap or free 0lp/weaver items.

[compact patio]

Because it dumb down game and make it too easy? Isn’t it obvious.? Also hurts integrity of the game and make it easier for bots, flipper mafia’s, rmter etc. LE already is pretty easy game and alllow for very simple crafting that can get you all you need. Merchant guild is already making game so freaking easy it’s hilarious that people want it to make even more easy. I make months progress in a week.

[small jay]

If merchants was fully open with no restrictions too many players would use $$ to buy gear.. nty

[red hinge]

the current iteration of the trading system is fine imo. just needs the filters to work better on unique's. RMT is hard to do and absolutely useless unless you really desperate for gold.
New players with issues of time investment can get rare unique's to try out builds, or people who just dont care for godrolls or endless grinding and want to try out builds

[boreal mango]

i dont understand why they have to separate all categories to different vendors.. its more of an inconvinience

[small needle]

Why does this have to affect people who don't want trade ala d2? It's something I love about these games and i thought the whole point of "fixing" trade was making sure everyone could play how they want, not making trade on rails. The leveling system breaks the fun economy of league start, which is a huge reason im exited to start a new league. Its going to end up in the same place, gold farming bots inflating prices anyways

[red hinge]

i kinda like and hate it at the same time.

[lucid umbra]

reselling with restrictions would be nice: like you need to gain x favor while the item is being equipped

[boreal mango]

its not bad the way it is, it would just be better to have a drop down tab for each vendor as well.

[compact patio]

Then play game that alllow being market simulator , why this have to exactly same as Poe ? Can’t you have ssf game and trade game on market ?

[red hinge]

how are you afraid of gold farming bots, when most things are free...

Reselling im happy is inpossible, becauze it stops the bullsht that happens in POE with price fixing, just groups of people holding everyone hostage.

[lucid umbra]

thank god it is not like poe trading, poe economy is cancer

[red hinge]

exactly, the further we stray away from Poe economy and price fixing, the better it is. let the market be flooded with bad rolls for cheap or free. better for more players.

[lucid umbra]

it would still be ok with restrictions imo, so you would actually need to use the item, you could not do flipping

[small needle]

Maybe i didn't pay attention since i last played a year ago but I wasn't under the impression it would be so restricted. Kinda came with the genre as far as im concerned, im not going to be picking bazaar again unless they change it though.

[lucid umbra]

but it is not only trading that messed up poe economy

[red hinge]

RMT, bot farms, etc i know. but man do i hate everything poe trading and economy. d4 trading is worse tho lol

[compact patio]

It was explained from the start, it was going to be even more restrictive but they changed it. Merchant guild is making it so easy to get in empowered high corruption monos it crazy. I play shitty meme spec and got to 300 corrupt no problemo.

[small needle]

This breaks progression even more by having solid gear extremely easy to obtain, it takes 20 min to farm 100k gold, I got my almost bis weapon before empowered monos for 20 min of gold. Would have been reasonable progression in poe or CoF, taking waaaay longer to get something that solid. markets are flooded and broken

[lucid umbra]

yea, the reason I play this now after 10k hours in poe 🙂 and while I fully agree that unlimited reselling is worse than no reselling, I think limited reselling would be the best, so for example if I change factions or outgrow my gear, I can sell it, so something that caters for those scenarios but prevents flipping/trading would be nice

[tawdry pike]

but thats just a time issue. most of the ppl dont know whats worth / how to gain rep / where to spend favor efficiently etc. over time the market will balance out. even more when they adjust the horrendously dumb reputation curve from step 3-8

[vagrant trellis]

I mean in poe your items are an asset, the fact you can resell them makes them expensive by default (the good items at least). If you could resell items here it would make them much more expensive initially, but you would be able to get it back when you change builds. Its a tradeoff

[tawdry aspen]

All comments about the current system are useless for at least another few weeks when majority of player base is at level 8 Rep and a lot of players have given both factions a try or even stopped playing the season.

It's important so see how the stock of items will be at that time.

[upbeat idol]

people realizing that things dont have to sell to get the rep would cut down on the 0 gold posts. Truthfully a proper search and price check would also lower the pricing friction such that people might actually price things

[lucid umbra]

what is the shitty meme spec? I play bleed warlock, which supposed to be a decent build, but I don't effortlessly smash corruption 150 or can afk facetank stuff

[vagrant trellis]

The 0 gold postings are mainly because the offer is much higher than the demand. Not much difference between 0 and 20k gold to be honest.

[tawdry pike]

it would be better when ppl know that you spent favor at the gambler it gives more rep than listing stuff for 0 gold

[lucid umbra]

what is the issue with the 0 gold listings btw? I did not find them an issue so far

[compact patio]

Helps community and you can get free uniques very early

[lucid umbra]

how is that a problem?! 😄 what is your meme shit build?

[cyan moss]

What happens if you switch guild, do you hold your rep or is it all gone?

[tawdry pike]

right now ppl listing items for 0 gold to spend their favor to get the reputation for the favor spend.

the problem is it destroys the market and value of the items. ppl listing high value items for 0 gold and ppl who know the value snipe those items for 0 gold for their builds. at the point when ppl know what value those items have. you have to buy them for loads of gold etc

[vagrant trellis]

Yeah its like when people list leveling uniques in poe for 1 alch or 1 chaos. It is just about helping the community

[compact patio]

Yeah because they don’t understand that you don’t need to sell item to get rep lol. Btw. Gambler is faster that posting trash for 0 anyway.

[lucid umbra]

I don't see this an issue, but ok...

[upbeat idol]

When it is things that move or actively wanted it is less bad imo. But not all of the 0 gold postings are that. So it floods the already poor interface with stuff and adds to the backend database being queried when people search. The search and interface for the bazaar I hope gets a massive overhaul/improvement

[humble crest]

How much you think Jungle Queen's Chaps of Holding would go for in game? (+16 potion slots and +37% stacking "Increased dodge rate for 4 secs when you use a potion"

[vagrant trellis]

I agree with this. Honestly having an external site would help a lot more, and it could be done by simply adding a listing id to each item for a simple solution

[rough spruce]

Can u buy your builds bis weapon, then use that to farm another one and then swap to cof, keeping the one you dropped for yourself?

[small needle]

Because apparently were nerfing trade to make the game harder while having the opposite effect. Theres a functioning economy that locks progression into harder content in poe, idc about lvl 5 uniques, i care about the higher tier markets new players don't have access to being completely broken, flooded with cheap items. if everyone can sell and noone can buy its going to be super cheap for really good stuff

[tawdry pike]

what you drop you can wear and hold after swap. what you bought you cant wear after swap

[rough spruce]

Thanks, thinking of doing that just to get my character online so I can farm fast

[tawdry pike]

that shit is so broken. as you said. i had 2x 3LP BIS weapons day 2 for nearly 0 gold because just a few had access..the 0 LP versions where like 200% more expensive

[vagrant trellis]

I mean how long does it take to get rank 8?

[compact patio]

Mate it’s not POE, LE is more casual friendly game with easier bosses, no Uber bosses yet etc. You can complete campaign with any build and progress through monos with selfmade build.

[tawdry pike]

around lvl 98 most of the time. lvl 100 for lvl 9 (1 character time span. not multiple toons)

[small needle]

Thats what i like about it, im done with poe1, i was under the impression i could interact with trade in the same context like i did in d2r and it was a blast

[compact patio]

You could trash both systems and still game would be easy to complete. I like it being more ssf/crafting because it’s something different on market. Not every game needs to be 1:1 copypasta.

First ranks of CoF just reverts loot drop nerf from 1.0

[ashen orbit]

How can i transition from merchant to cof if i have many legendaries bought from market? I have to farm them first myself then i can safely switch?

[tawdry pike]

ye something like that. every item with the "trade symbol" you cant wear when you switch to CoF

[ashen orbit]

Ok ty

[tawdry pike]

grind high xp monster in high corruption monos

[sturdy star]

any tips and tricks for gaining rep faster? im buying, selling, and leveling.. and its sooo slow

[wheat thorn]

man i just realized im almost lv10, how did my life turn out like this

[tawdry pike]

buy items from the gambler npc for 4200 favor. its more rep in return

[sturdy star]

hmm do they ever give you decent items? lol

[tawdry pike]

no..its just for spending your favor to get a decent amount of rep

[sturdy star]

oh boo ok thanks

[digital mulch]

how long does it take to level merchants guild?

[wet siren]

Way to long....extremely to long...

[digital mulch]

like, give me an estimate
much slower than fortune?

[wet siren]

They should just make trading like in poe/d2. Open inventory, move items, put in gold if u want also to give that, and press accept by both party. Simple and clean and no time wasting.
Why should i have to trade (with gold i dont have) to level up the guild, so i can trade more ? this is pathetic...

[rapid herald]

play the game, you'll be ok

[ashen orbit]

4 days of nolifing to reach rank 8 according to a few yt videos and reddit post

[wet siren]

Im lvl 91, and im still not lvl 7....

[rapid herald]

Spam exp monoliths, they give a lot of favour

[cyan widget]

To be honest after a lot of hours in MG I can really say that EHG needs to work on the system, actually COF feels better to play but just because how more "competitive" is compared to MG.

[compact patio]

Just play the game, I am 97level and will be probably be rank 8 soon so I can craft my LP uniques and push my build to endgame bis. You need to do higher corruption to speed it up.

[rapid herald]

MG rank 8 made gearing way too easy, its kinda nuts. Thats why they made it a grind to get to, otherwise people would be fully geared in less than a week

[north matrix]

i feel like if they leave it as is more and more people will go cof in future cycles

[rapid herald]

the quality of life needs some work on for sure, but i think the grind is fine

[wet siren]

you also need favour to trade, which again, is very stupid...im out of favour and cant sell my items....so i cant use the trading system....what ?

[cyan widget]

It's still too OP grinding for just a week and then complete your end game BiS build just by trading, it shouldn't be possible for an ARPG.

[compact patio]

Grind is easy and faster than most aprgs, how long to get 100 in Poe ?

[north matrix]

i had the same gear from like level 65 until 95 when i finally hit 7 and could buy exalteds while cof is getting upgrades from drops, i think it should be a grind but i think its too grindy right now

[compact patio]

And ? And when you hit rank 8 you outpace CoF by miles being able to get a lot of high LP uniques and perfect exalted to craft them

And you having same gear at 65 and 95 is dubious at best. You get upgrades to craft every few levels, you are showered with loot. Only thing I was carrying was uniques , that are build enabling

[wheat thorn]

i mean you can do that in poe technically in trade as well not sure what you're comparing it to

[cyan widget]

Well in POE you are not buying an HH for 0 gold

[small jay]

And then what? By the time you get to 8 your deep in end game anyway rofl. Meanwhile i enjoy the dopamine hit of loot as i go 🙂

[compact patio]

Lol I am just at 300 corruption circa and level 8 soon, it’s just like starting red maps in Poe. Nothing crazy

[wheat thorn]

an hh in this game would be equivalent of 3 lp on most mid rarity uniques which would take a while still, 0 lp is dirt common outside of red ring omni if you're speaking in the scope of trade so it makes sense for it to be cheap

[wet siren]

BE CAREFUL ! When selling items on the trade guild, check prices be sure to not under or over price, cause if u want to unlist an item you WILL NOT get back your favour....the trading system is very trash, i put a lot of items for sale, im out of favour, unlisting them doesnt give it back, now i cannot even buy or sell items if i want without getting more favour (which u get from quests and killings, so if you dont play the game more to get 50k favour which takes extremely too much in this case, you will not be able to trade)
Just a heads up. Until they maybe take out the favour in the game, or just make the favour costs 10% of what they currently are, just be careful when using the trade guild.

[compact patio]

XDDD

[wheat thorn]

what did you buy or list that costs 50k favor, even 3lp shit isnt that much, you get paid out reputation the moment you use favor so obviously they cant refund you

[small jay]

Whats the fun in buying all your gear for gold? I dont get it.. takes the loot chase out

[compact patio]

Mate, we are arguing about things we are both aggreing on. You misunderstand my intention.

[wet siren]

I want to sell my gear mostly, and i post a lot of gear at low prices. ex 10k 15k 25k gold and so on....

[cyan widget]

that's I can't understand, why everything is so cheap? i'll just rush lvl 8 and then i'm full build just by spending probably few mils

[wet siren]

few mils ? wheretf do u have so much gold ?

[cyan widget]

dude few mils are basically nothing, it's literally 8-10 average idols

[wheat thorn]

everything is cheap because everything is common if its not lp, also you will never reach full build in this game no matter how hard you try even with trade lol, some items will never appear

[wet siren]

what ?

[small jay]

Ikr? Merchants guild feels weird.. its like trading, but with a single currency that drops all the time it feels horrid.. PoE trading is awsome but idk.. like a super rare unique will go for what, millions of gold?!

[compact patio]

Mate I give build enabling idols for free and have like 8 5% hp idols just from drop lol and I am playing mg

[tawdry pike]

you are rank 8 when you hit lvl 98 and spend your favour. you hit rank 9 when you reach lvl 100

[wheat thorn]

gold is free af you get like 40-50k minimum per echo even if you just hard rush objective just be efficient and actually play the game

[tawdry pike]

in what world you get 40-50k min while rushing objective? even on 300-400cor thats just not true.

even the rewards from the gold monos are ultra bad

[wheat thorn]

actually second though maybe overthought that lol but ill try a couple to see average im at 650 corruption

you can get 3-12k from the random loot pop at the end of mono after tp+around 3-5k from boss alone btw

[tawdry pike]

650 cor is way to high for the avg player to say thats "common amount of gold you get"

[wheat thorn]

does corruption even affect gold

[tawdry pike]

im not sure. but the amount of gold you get f.e. pressing a gold pylon is way higher than in lower monos. so i think that the overall amount of gold you get is higher with higher corruption

[cyan widget]

ye i mean, the prices of a lot of things are just so cheap that basically everyone in MG can buy the entire build for few golds

[wheat thorn]

yea okay i was way off at 320 corruption I got 11k average from 4 echoes+2 arena keys, not to say I wasnt wrong but even if you pump out 1 boss worth of echoes you should be getting at least 150k raw gold let alone item drops and lets be real you can get alot of crap even with 150k to gear out a character lol shits at 0 gold

[tawdry pike]

ye absolutly right. you dont need crazy millions of gold to gear out a well rounded character

[grand socket]

How rich is everyone?

[normal roost]

It’s not true tho? Idols are expensive because you can buy them as fast as you enter in the Chapter 9 basically.

[tawdry pike]

broke right now. tried to slam my bis body armour and it didnt worked out yesterday

[wheat thorn]

my god you just reminded me I havent finished ch9 yet for the point

[grand socket]

rip, I respect that though, how much did it run you?

[tawdry pike]

i bought several 2 LP uniques and crafted the same amount of exalted with at least 2-3 bis/good stats. was like 3-4million yesterday. was the whole day of grinding to get nothing out of it

[small jay]

You grinded millions of gold in a day?

[tawdry pike]

with selling stuff while grinding raw gold..yes. using a good filter helps alot doing that. most of the gold are crafted items for meta builds

good explosive arrow rings with -mana cost etc are going from 500k-1mio

[cyan widget]

What filter are you using if I can ask?

[small jay]

Certain drops worth more? Idk... i just feel like buying all my loot instead of finding it feels bad.. its different with poe cos you find rare currency to tradenfor good loot.. LE is just grind gold til your eye balls fall out and buy it

[wheat thorn]

need to learn to make your own filter in LE else looking at every exalted or idol will take up so much time, people buy easy af to craft stuff for expensive either because they arent high enough faction level or they're ignorant, eg t5 ballista t5 dex is 800k min even though you can just slap it on upgrade it 4 times if you have a filter for it

[tawdry pike]

im just using a loot filter for a meta build that im not playing. at this point i dont need a filter anymore for myself, because im nearly "full geared". so i picked a lootfilter from the most played mastery/build and craft the items it needs = easy money

f.e. when you drop a t6 -mana cost ring you can just try to fix the 2nd prefix with minion dmg/throw attack speed - suffixes idc and its gg profit

[small jay]

Do you feel satisfied being "full geared" already and buying all the gear? Join the FUN that is loot DROPS that make you go wooohooo!! And make the leagues last longer too lol

[naive knot]

plus it's pretty easy to get a feel for certain affixes that are valuable just by playing the game, you might not know every one but you'll know the ones you're looking for and a bunch of adjacent ones just because of the stuff you're already selling

[cyan widget]

It should be harder to get the gear because it should cost a lot more, that's what I'm also trying to say!

[compact patio]

Yeah but general consensus is a lot of people want to make it even easier and devs will probably fall for it.

[tawdry pike]

yes i do. because i dont play seasonal games more than 1-2 weeks due to irl stuff..but those 1-2 weeks are efficient the most it can be for myself. thats how i enjoy poe/d4 and now LE

[cyan widget]

Hope they won't, otherwise I'm going to swap into COF.

[trail goblet]

why are unique items with 0 potential worth much much more than those with 1 or 2 potential? that is weird

[naive knot]

because most people are of a rank that can buy the 0 lp ones

[dark venture]

cause ppl dont have favor to buy the potential one

[tawdry pike]

because most of the player base dont have access becuase their ranks are to low. so the demand is higher for 0 LP

[compact patio]

Because people think you need to sell item to get rank and post everything for 0 which is useless

[wheat thorn]

what unique are you looking at out of curiousity

[trail goblet]

like i got Julra gloves, 1LP and 9 spell dmg, x2 35%+ res which i think is high roll...should i save it for now?

[cyan widget]

In the next week they will cost a lot more in my opinion, even because a lot of players are still doing the campaign, so...

[trail goblet]

so i guess im unlucky that i got lucky

[wheat thorn]

I thought julra gloves were guaranteed lp 1

[dark venture]

how much gold do you think people will have 2+months into a cycle

[compact patio]

When more players get to endgame LP uniques will scyrocket. Just buy out till you can

[small jay]

I just hate the idea of items being so ez to get by buying them. 2 totally different playerbases. Those who get ez loot, and those who have to have it drop

[tawdry pike]

but thats how trade league or SSF works? XD in SSF you play for your own..what cares what others do for your gameplay?

[wheat thorn]

yea julra glove is guaranteed lp 1, you're looking at people listing legendaries for overpriced for no reason

[naive knot]

easy compared to what? it still requires getting ranks and the gold to buy the stuff in the first place, most things of true value are selling for hundreds of thousands to millions of gold. you still have to farm incessantly to be able to afford it, you can't resell anything you buy either

[small jay]

This aint like poe trading in the slightest. You use gold in this game. Ots d3 auction house crap

[compact patio]

It’s not trade league, this game was designed for ssf and crafting useful items yourself . Trade was added much later

[small jay]

Trade in this game is far too rewarding due to gold being 100% drop chance at all times

[tawdry pike]

ye for sure you are right. maybe i have to rephrase it. im just wondering why someone who plays SSF is caring about ppl who play in a trade environment

[cyan widget]

Just for asking, which are these things that value hundres and thousands of millions?

[small jay]

I mean, you do you, just feel like the way merchants guild is in this game is poorly designed and im part of this game. Idk..

[naive knot]

i don't think anything is going for hundreds to thousands of million, but most t7 affixes for meta affixes, especially meta skill affixes will easily sell for 500k+

[tawdry pike]

crafted exalted items, high value bases with t6-7 meta stats, high LP meta uniques etc

@small jay dude the auction house from 2006 classic wow has a better design and i hate the gold farming as well. poe`s economy is way better than this

[compact patio]

I bought ring for me with T7 T6 and forging potential left for measly few hundred k lol

[small jay]

The gg end game gear basically has an echo stability bar on it just waiting to be looted. Thats what it feels like.

[cyan widget]

Same for me, that's why I can't understand when people tell me that a lot of things are crazy expensive lol

[naive knot]

certain idols as well,most double health idols I've sold at 200-300k, a couple rive damage idols for 1m or so each

[compact patio]

This is not POE , if you want to focus on trade play game that incentivizes trading.

[naive knot]

it's easy to get a bargain, because there's plenty of people who don't understand the way the rep works or they can't be bothered figuring out the prices for things because the entire interface for the bazaar is ass, but it's still pretty easy to sell things for a high price too

[wheat thorn]

they will revamp it probably if they want the game to be better for later seasons, at least cof is designed extremely good so they dont need to worry about that part of the patch

[compact patio]

It needs revamp for sure, but lifting restrictions too much is bad idea.

[last zealot]

They should at least merge some of them. Like there's no reason you can buy unique weapons but not unique everything else until a later stage.

Feels a bit forced just to have something to add on the ranks no?

[gray bay]

am I the only one who thinks its weird that you can level the guild by selling? Cause doesnt matter what you search for there is always someone who has it in there without a cost. Selling stuff super underpriced just to have a chance of getting it sold feels bad for me at least

[naive knot]

I'm pretty sure you don't get rep by selling, just by listing the item. The people listing things for 0 gold are misunderstanding the way the rep works

[gray bay]

if thats the case, good!

[last zealot]

Its been stated and tried. You dont even get reputation if the item sells. So they're losing out on gold and just dont care...

Gold is kind of useless after a certain point and the only reason you want gold is for trading now.

[cyan widget]

Yep, it's like that!

[gray bay]

okay good, well no reason for me to be mad then. I just gotta wait till they get the memo haha

[cyan widget]

Well I got a T7 minion dmg and it goes away for 50k, nothing crazy

[tawdry pike]

i didnt said that every t7 stat will sell for alot of gold

[last zealot]

There's also the fact that there's too little people in the market because of CoF so the market is taking a while to stabilize... After all CoF is just too eye-catching compared to MG where trading is restricted until later ranks so most people use MG to buy items for shards and switch to CoF.

Maybe a few more days and the market will stabilize

[cyan widget]

which one of them? just for checking it and putting on my filter tbh

[gray bay]

yeee i figured

[last zealot]

T7 +skills and skill related ones tend to sell for quite high.

[trail goblet]

btw u are right, im dumb it comes with 1 lp guaranteed

[wheat thorn]

t7 multi dagger 500k, t7 dex body 600k, t7 dex ring 400k, on a turquoise 3mil, t7 ballista 4mil, t7 dex helmet 1 mil, just to list some only for my build let alone the rest

[tawdry pike]

this. its not hard to go on maxroll.gg and check the S and A tier builds and their "bis" stats

[last zealot]

Some people also buy t7 opal rings for around 500k or up depending on the affix

[cyan widget]

It's better checking every t7 i drop, there are a lot

[boreal meteor]

Am I the only one that knows you can list every item at 1 vendor....

[tawdry pike]

to get a better feeling and understanding its better to check every t7 thats right. to safe time its better to setup a filter for that

[wheat thorn]

nah filter only good wep affixes/stat/class affix/res/movespeed/mana regen and its close enough to a perfect filter tbh might be missing something off the top of my head

[fading stirrup]

Sure, but can you browse it for pricechecks before listing?

[last zealot]

Sounds about right. I got the same on mine tbh.

[cyan widget]

they will for sure add something to price check items

[boreal meteor]

That you can't

[honest forum]

any tips how to search "chance to shred armor on hit" ?

[tawdry pike]

look up the items where it can roll on and check the npc`s according to the armor type at the bazaar for it

[wet siren]

favour in trading should be gone, or cost 10% of the current prices, and gain 100% more when u kill and do quests

not only do i have to be 98 to reach lvl 8-9 and lvl 100 to reach lvl 10, i am also locked out of trading cause i dont have favour, and practically if i dont play the game, i cant trade....and i need to trade to get some items i need to continue playing...ha ha nice one

[gray bay]

got an onehanded axe with +32 melee void and melee damage and in affixes 67% critchance, 40% Crit mult. and 257% chance to break armor with 24 forging potential left and an open affix slot. How much would you guys sell this for?

[compact patio]

Lol , cry more

[wet siren]

lol kid :))

[compact patio]

Imagine having to play the game to get best items instead of sitting in town.

[dusky portal]

Is MG the better choice for causuals than cof in overall?

[wet siren]

imagine everyone playing as you do :)) imagine joining trade guild and not beeing able to trade, and waiting an eternity to be able to trade good items :))

[compact patio]

There are stock market simulators for you my friend. You can do it with stock and crypto, try that.

[wet siren]

eh no...i want to play the game, and trade whenever i want if i have the gold and need for an item...simple

[last zealot]

First off, ranks 9 and 10 doesnt even matter. If you see legendary items being sold they're pretty much rejects anyways and you most likely dont want them.

Second off, whats wrong with having to play the game to be able to trade? While I do agree its annoying that the only way to get favor is by killing stuff which has absolutely nothing to do with trading... Being able to trade without restrictions would just sour the market.

[compact patio]

You can do that with no problems, system is easy enough as it is.

[zealous sand]

Do you guys think Action House search will be improved? It is a bit of a pain atm compare items to sell and to find specific ones 😦

[wet siren]

beeing able to trade anytime would be normal and nice. i will eventually play the game....thats the point...but not beeing able to trade when i feel the need or want, and seeing ah i need to play 30mins more if i want to buy 1-2 items....that is just time wasting tactics...and very very annoying

[radiant stratus]

You can sell any item you just cant buy any item, also some items are lvl restricted anyway so even if you buy them u cant use them. So also pointless. Uniques can be farmed anyway. Legendaries can be made by yourself. Its better to have something to grind for instead of instant access to end game gear. Defeats the purpose.

[wheat thorn]

idk how you even spend all your favor ive bought so much shit and still have way too much

[waxen terrace]

at what level does someone reach Rank 8? does it depends, or is it directly tied to a player level?

[wet siren]

you can sell any item IF you have the favour. very sad. i was out of gold, listed a lot of items, and now no favour, cant list more, cant buy more

[radiant stratus]

Its not tied to level, its tied to how much corruption you do on your monolith

[waxen terrace]

thanks, because I'm finding it takes forever to go from 4 to 5

[last zealot]

The UI and search might be improved but as for centralizing it i dont think they'll do that. They're quite fond of the different npcs sell different stuff. Even have unique voicelines too.

@wet siren the Devs are trying to prevent "base traders" a la PoE. They made a game they want people to actually play. How about you go to CoF and just play the game and dont bother with the trade system if you dont like it so much. Honest suggestion.

[obsidian pewter]

wait till you see how much you need from 6 to 7 and so on 😄

[radiant stratus]

Well dont mindlessly spend your favour the same way you dont mindlessly spend your gold? Idk

[compact patio]

Game is designed about ssf and being able to craft a lot of gear yourself . Trading is making it even easier that it is. You can speed up a lot of progression. And sorry but you don’t need LP uniques in low level corruption monos anyway.

[naive knot]

hell you don't need anything more than rares which you can buy from rank 1 and if you've put yourself into a situation where you need an item to continue on, that's more on your poor planning than anything else

[radiant stratus]

I made my weapon legendary myself, exactly the one needed for my build didnt even need to buy it

[compact patio]

Trading system is being made by author of Tradeskill master Addon to wow which can give you a perspective what experience guy doing it have.

[last zealot]

You just reminded me, i need to find some good exalted gear to upgrade my damage..

[wheat thorn]

feels like the only people that complain about not having enough favor are rmters with more gold than they have favour to spend it lmao

[hot spruce]

If you haven't heard it yet today. Just go out there and have some fun with the game. Or any game for that matter. Get some laughs. Smile. Have a good time. Have a good day all. Gaming is fun 🙂

[waxen terrace]

when should I empower a timeline? I'm level 75.. I did a corruption on a timeline which was 70, and it increased only by 4.. then i decided to go to a timeline level 75.. should I try to corrupt it> I'ma bit confused sorry

[naive knot]

i don't know if i necessarily like what you can buy being tied to rank, but it makes sense. the only one I dislike is unique weapons, it's way too high for what it is, I think.

[compact patio]

No idea what they spend their favour on anyway lol, or they are doing normal monos on 90+ maybe

[obsidian pewter]

This is more about what you can manage. Usually I would start around lvl80 with empowered and bring corruption up. If you do not die in empowered monos - needs more corruption 😄

[wheat thorn]

what you want to do is rush to and finish the 3 timelines at the very top to unlock empowered monoliths which start at 100 corruption, normal monoliths are a waste of time as their blessing are just straight up worse than empowered

[last zealot]

God freaking damnit. Hate these sentinel code. Cant ever get lucky.

[waxen terrace]

got it.. but i have a problem where I shred mobs, run the monos quite easily, but I often struggle against bosses lmao.. but I will try to improve stats

[last zealot]

You have good mobclear damage but not good enough single target damage from the looks of it.

I suggest putting some shred on the build for a start.

[tiny spire]

Is there anywhere an in-depth analysis of how favor & reputation works for MG? I think you do get a bonus in reputation every time you successfully sell an item? But how exactly is this calculated

[waxen terrace]

Or maybe too little resistance? because bosses one-shot me depending on their skills.. my skills are both area and single target

[last zealot]

You dont. I personally tested it out. Listed bunch of items at 20k each for fast sells. Checked my rep before going to bed. Logged in the next day and got quite a few stuff sold. Rep didnt change.

@waxen terrace wait... You didnt cap your resistances? Please tell me you ar least capped elemental right?

[compact patio]

You get rep by spending favour, you can post items, buy items or buy from gambler. There is no hidden tactic here mate. You get more favour higher corruption monos you do, exp books also give favour

[tawdry pike]

the time when you list an item and you pressed the button and spend the favour according to your item - thats the only point you get rep in the whole process.

the mods really should create or pin a FAQ for this channel at this point XD

[last zealot]

The favour you gain is depending on the amount of exp you gain.

@waxen terrace oh, the others are fine. Just find some rings with high resistances to specific damages and swap from time to time against the bosses.

[waxen terrace]

Yeah I think I'm almost capped at elemental, but others are low
I just don't know where to stack them..
Do you guys use Idols?

[gaunt atlas]

what do you guys do with your lightless arbor key

[naive knot]

sigh and buy another stash tab to put them in

[tiny spire]

Nice work and good to know that.
So why are people posting 2-3 LP uniques for 0 gold on the market then? And many other things that are good to really good for basically nothing

[wheat thorn]

you really want to cap on everything, if you had to choose one to pass on it would be poison

[last zealot]

1. They either dont care or
2. They thought successful sales give rep.

[tawdry pike]

because they are clueless about value and just want to spend their favour to get rep

[waxen terrace]

problem is my rings are pivotal for the build, they reduce my mana consumption when throwing flasks
But I get what you mean, I will try to find alternate gear

[chrome locust]

What are good items to sell on low lvls?

[tired slate]

Idols and any rares with good stats

[last zealot]

Its annoying that you cant type the word for undead damage because its banned in the discord... Anyways find a way to get undead, phys and void resistance up since most echoes are either elemental or those 3.

[tiny spire]

I made a couple of millions just by selling rares and magics items. Skills on Head/Armor are great. Anything with t4-t5 resistances and for weapons mainly good base and 2x t4-t5 good affixes

[tropic patio]

no, cof is better for casuals

[last zealot]

CoF is better for casuals. You just play monoliths nonstop and dont have to think if item loot is good to sell our not.

[cyan widget]

It depends on what you mean by casual. To me casual = playing few hours per day, so MG is far better than COF. If you wanna min/max your character with COF. meh...

[tired slate]

I think COF is in both cases better

[frail crystal]

What does COF stands for?

[compact patio]

I am not sure if CoF is so great for casual. You can get build enabling uniques as soon as you enter empowered monolith. There are boss specific drops that will never drop for you until it’s 200 corruption +

[tawdry pike]

Circle Of Fortune

[tired slate]

The only way i see where MG could be better is, if you play a build which needs some uniques to work. But which casual will play a build without a guide where they dont explain what to play before the uniques drop ?

[compact patio]

200 corruption will be bottleneck for a lot of people, and then you need to kill boss enough times to get it. You can see posts that people have problem with standard 100 corrupt monos. With coh you will need to know how crafting system works and need to understand it to get better items.

[cyan widget]

Let's take my build for example; I need Reign of Winter bow. It's easier to spam kill the boss in COF, drop the bow with 2 LP or just buy it for 1.7 mil'

[peak reef]

i sold 1one for 2 mil yesterday

[compact patio]

Really they sell for this much? Even with 0lp?

[peak dagger]

the pricing is weird rn for sure

[cyan widget]

0LP is 0 gold, 1.6/7 mil is for the 2LPs

[tired slate]

Yeah maybe im not aware how little casuals know. I consider myself a casual and had 0 problems to do 200+ monoliths even without max capped res. and running the same gear for ages. Im lvl 96 now and didnt have problems at all but maybe thats because im playing a good meta build

[compact patio]

You are not casual player 🙂 you are in top %

[naive knot]

If you’re 96 like 4 days after release you’re about as far away from casual as possible

[tropic patio]

its 100% your build being good

[tawdry pike]

wow

[peak reef]

i feel like i made a huge mistake getting into merchant guild.. almost level 98 and i am still at rank 7 and the market is so bad with random prices

[peak dagger]

I wish the price wasn't this random too. really want to enjoy the economy

[tropic patio]

its still good right now, as long as your build uses some uniques. There are many cases where 0lp unique is 100-500k but 1lp is 0 gold. Thats very handy

you can keep trying to make good 1lp gear for free basically

[compact patio]

I am months in advance with my character in less than a week than playing beta for 100+ hours

[cyan widget]

MG will be so much better next cycle, right now is just a coinflip of a lot of things combined. 99% of people can't buy 1/2lp uniques so the prices for them are so cheap etc etc

[tired slate]

Yeah probably not at this point. Maybe you guys are right and MG might be better for casuals.

[tawdry pike]

with a design overhaul and maybe in cycle 1 or 2 it will be better and a better understanding of the system

[peak dagger]

i'm planning to get new character into MG later this cycle once economy is stabilized or got some new update too. rn just SSF to learn the game

[cyan widget]

No comparison since in beta there wasn't the COF, so you should make 2 character and play with both of them

[tropic patio]

i think that the level 8 lp gating is killing the market too, since there are little to no potential buyers 1lp ends up being less worth than base uniques

This should never happen

[peak reef]

what is the fastest way to earn rep?

[ashen orbit]

Ye its a big gain for those who could nolife the gain first days ,they get basically free 1/2 lp gear its nuts

[compact patio]

LE is new game for 75% of playerbase right now. You can’t expect it to have established economy. Half of CoF ranks is just reverting loot drop nerf in 1.0 it was stated by devs.

[tropic patio]

kill as many mobs as you can and spend your favour in gambling

[peak dagger]

it would be better if they make it the reverse. need rank to sell not buy

[tawdry pike]

ye thats the biggest issue right now. by far the majority of the ppl wont even reach rank 8 and thats why the LP uniques are listed for 0 gold - while their 0 LP versions have a higher demand and are x% more value

[cyan widget]

100% agree

[peak reef]

4k favor per item feels like a waste if you want to buy high LP items later

[tropic patio]

yep
seasoned vets will rank up fast and earn money by providing gear to slower people

Slower people can buy gear once they have the gold

[tawdry pike]

its the most efficient way right now. you get more rep for 4.2k gamble item than for a 4.2k listing on the market/buying. idk if its a bug. but you get way more rep for gambling items

[jade violet]

Do I gain favor for selling an Item?

[tropic patio]

that said i still think that rank 8 for 1-4 lp is wrong. 1 lp should be unlocked way earlier, like rank 5 idk

[umbral zenith]

anyone else noticed there is no armor shred affix on swords for bazar search?

[normal roost]

It would be the same story since if you put some restriction for selling there will be certain items at like 500 mils and basically no method to make money unless spamming high corrupt monos no?

[tawdry pike]

no. only for listing..the selling part dont matter

[tiny spire]

I asked myself a similar question the other day. For me personally I'd rather pay 2mil on the market and get a great item guaranteed than farm for hours for a chance. 2mil is also quite doable in 2-3h play time

[primal walrus]

1lp will almost always be equal os slightly more valuable than the normal version if the item is not absurdly rare, just by the fact that most people are not willing to use a very rare/expensive exalted on such a low chance that 1lp represents

[peak dagger]

what's wrong with high value item selling for high price

[naive knot]

Plus gating selling just means everyone would need tens to hundreds of stash tabs. Unless you expect people to just vendor their decent stuff

[zealous sand]

I am not saying I dont like the trade system, I am saying that it needs some improvements as you cant be there scrolling for 50 pages to find 1 item. You cant even select different tiers for affixes and suffixes.

[peak reef]

damn so i guess one should spend in the gambler

[primal walrus]

You get to lvl 8 in a couple days after hitting empowered monos even playing a couple hours daily

[tropic patio]

price checking is also borderline impossible right now, a full tab of exalteds can take an hour

[normal roost]

This is not a typical market like the POE one. If my bow costs 400 mil but I can’t barely sell nothing how can I be able to afford it?

[cyan widget]

Idk if it's better like that or buy the bow right now for 0 gold to be honest...

[tawdry pike]

dont tell me..tell that to the ppl who cant even beat lagon in story..

[peak dagger]

you can get rank 4 by exp require to reach act 9. don't think it's gonna be that hard to rank 4 and start selling rare/idol no ?

[radiant stratus]

I beat lagon in story while him and every mob was invisible due to a bug.... xD

[hot spruce]

Just for my future self what should i be holding on to as im leveling? Lvl 40 here.

[normal roost]

I don’t know, to be honest it’s really hard fixing the market. I think they should literally delete every restriction, your only bonus for joining the merchant guild should be the fact that you can sell and buy items, without any restrictions, and this is already a good plus

[primal walrus]

Well, that people shouldn't be worried about buying LP stuff, as it's gated behind julra

[radiant stratus]

Nothing really

[peak dagger]

true

[tropic patio]

i think that if you buy unique/exalt and craft a legendary that resulting item should be sellable

Aside from that reselling is better being locked to avoid cartels and flippers

[hot spruce]

ok good to know. lol

[tawdry pike]

just enjoy the game and pray that the servers will be fixed when cycle 1 hits lmao

[still wren]

im just rank up to rank 7 yesterday and today im alr rank 8

[radiant stratus]

You ll get progressively better items. You can start keeping exalted items from like lvl 75 ish and uniques with LP

[gaunt atlas]

do the MG levels carry on to alt ?

[hot spruce]

Ok thanks!

[tawdry pike]

yes - all account wide

[peak dagger]

remove restriction would be the best yes. but i assume one of the reason they put restriction on buying is to make RMT seller life bit harder

[primal walrus]

That my only problem(that is not a bug) currently, seeling exalted is a PITA without the ability to search for rolls on items, or search for different tier on each selected affix, and when buying, the fact that u can't make a "count" (select 10 modifiers, search for a combination of 3 of those) is horrible too, I understand it's the first league so not worried, but I really hope they add those

[tropic patio]

im sure those QoL changes will come, but its a matter of when

They probably have a massive list of changes more important than this sadly

[peak dagger]

just tell dev to copy POE trade site UI

[radiant stratus]

I bet soon there s gonna be a LE trade.com too xD the way the current market is as annoying as it is

[tawdry pike]

and implement it in the game as an 1 npc auction house in your mono hideout. that would be ok i guess

[compact patio]

That’s exactly what it’s for, to prevent flipping, gold sellers , rmt and bots

[naive knot]

Especially worse for uniques because most of them aren’t even affixes you can search for. The falconry bow with the 3 skills, you have no way of knowing how cheap you can actually buy a 3/3/3 for for example

[primal walrus]

I was discussing that with a friend today, we got to the conclusion that resseling lp crafted items would short too much the endgame grind of the game as buying failed crafts of others could be your perfect item, in the future, if the game had way more content and items it may be ok, but rn most people that "only play one good build per season/league" would hit the minmax cap too fast

[cyan widget]

But to be honest putting the restriction for selling instead of buying should fix a lot of problems, no?

[radiant stratus]

I dont get the individual item type menu its so annoying. Just merge them all. And add multiple affix filters. Also fix tier filters they dont work at all. Tier 1 shows all items every other tier shows NO item. Oof

[peak dagger]

if you're worry about shortening the game then trade isn't for you anyway. I think we should give people who love crafting a way to make currency

[tawdry pike]

especially when you can slam your 3 LP items so easily with insane affixes...the endgame crafting is way to easy in this game even without reselling those crafts.

[tropic patio]

im not sure if thats an issue though...do you really want a season based game to take hundreds of hours to get properly geared? You could just achieve that faster and start another character, if they make that enjoyable enough 🤔

[primal walrus]

You rank up soo fast when u start doing monos with high corruption

And @tropic patio yeah, I really wouldn't mind it even if it comes only for the next season, I just hope it's not a "design decision" and just an oversee.

@peak dagger just part of it, I don't think the game need all that complex shit about weight and weighted count event tho I use it a lot when playing poe

[still wren]

im always at empowered monolith.

[tawdry pike]

idc. i like both ways..easy or hard to make. i just wanne see some decent QoL changes for trading in the future and nice endgame content. they already have my money and at least 100+ hours from me XD

[compact patio]

If you unrestrict legendary crafting meta will be siting in bazaar to snipe 3/4lp items and exalted with desired stats and then doing t1 Jurla to craft and resell. Sound great

[keen badger]

Is where any info how much reputation for MG gives spending 1 point of Favor? I heard that if you buy items from faction gambler it gives more reputation per 1 favor point, is it true?

[tawdry pike]

its true. gambling items > rest for rep

[tropic patio]

yeah if they say its intentional i'd be very disheartened lol

especially with the multiple npcs for each gear slot, i don't think it was a good idea at all

@tawdry pike yup im already 100 hours deep and started another character too xD

[naive knot]

You get 2 rep for 1 favour spent when listing items. Gambling seems to currently be 2.33. Whether this is a bug or not is unclear atm

[compact patio]

They said multiple npc wąs intentional because they wanted buzzling bazaar but are open to suggestion based on feedback

[keen badger]

got it, thanks

[peak dagger]

I don't mind walking around with bazaar as much as current search UI and economy situation rn. hopefully they do some rework

[tropic patio]

i worded that poorly, what i mean is that if they say its good as is, instead of changes. They are always open to feedback so thats nice.

How do people feel about that aspect anyways? idk if im the minority here when i don't like going to each npc

[primal walrus]

As LP crafting is the only minmax and its not even absurdly gated in RNG as Poe crafting is, yes, tbh, buying the exalted modifier and the LP item on market and doing it just a couple times, not even getting pass 15 tries should make u accomplish any combination of modifier you want on any legendary with 2 or 3 LP, so yes, it adds a couple days max to the grind for each item, not hundreds and hundreds of hours as you say

[hot spruce]

Whats experimental gear for?

[tawdry pike]

when i want to buy 1-3 items (most of the times its not more) i dont care running.

but checking full tabs of rares/exalted etc because you want to list them and make some money and running the whole time to manually price check each item. its ULTRA BAD

[tropic patio]

2 lp in theory should be expensive for endgame gear, which should take a reasonable amount of time per attempt though

Assuming that prices reflect that at least

[compact patio]

I asked developer in 1 or 2 day of launch and this was the answer. You can expect it to change because a lot of people don’t like it.

[south mortar]

f I am in MG with my main and I make an alt and choose CoF, do i lose all rank on my main? What are the little details I need to know about? Can anyone help?

[peak dagger]

the pricing rn is a joke lol.

[compact patio]

Of course it is, only people having knowledge about items are beta players which are minority

[ruby cloud]

anyoneelse finds it very slow lvling the faction?

[cyan widget]

Just because the restrictions are useless in a game like that

[tropic patio]

well yeah prices are cooked rn but thats for a variety of reasons, im hoping that with some proper changes to rank requirements pricing will make a little more sense. rn its a brand new game + big grind wall before buying the good stuff

[peak dagger]

the rank is account wide and you keep your rank when you leave faction/ join another one with your alt

[winged wind]

Its more that people can sell but not buy

[primal walrus]

2 LP on a rare and wanted item is like a 30-40 divine item in poe, if u are aiming to craft LP on it ( as an analogy to corrupting in POE, as u can't sell it back, in poe if it bricks u can't use sell it back too) it should take a long time to do that, it's too endgame and too minmax stuff to be done so easily, so yeah, I don't mind it being difficult

[south mortar]

will i be able to use items i found on my main? and vice-versa?

[compact patio]

Game like what? LE was designed as SSF game and trade was added just recently because of playerbase wanting it.

[peak dagger]

if it's not tagged with the COF/MG rank then yes. but the item drop with CoF passive/buy from bazaar will have their faction tagged

[radiant stratus]

You cannot use items obtained via a guild while you are in the other guild, regardless of character

[cyan widget]

What's the point of trading if the trade is like that? If you wanna add something just do that right, otherwise just add the COF faction and that's all! No point keep selling rare things for cheap price just because there so many restrictions

[tropic patio]

things take time to get good mate, can't expect them to hit a homerun right away

[radiant stratus]

I find trading very useful even at ll4. Sold items for dozens of k gold and also bought ones I was needing

[primal walrus]

Yes, but if u change factions any item that had influence of the previous faction, IE prophecy, market brought etc can't be used when listed in the opposing faction

[cyan widget]

It still doesn't make any sense to me that a random unique bow 0 LP is 1 mil and the same bow with 2LP is 500k, that's what I'm saying

[compact patio]

Why would I play CoF and hinder myself when I can go trade and go beyond what ssf can do

[radiant stratus]

Thats not an effect of the market mechanic lol, just people not knowing the values of items.

[peak dagger]

switch buying/selling restriction is gonna help this a lot if the intend to keep the restriction in some form

[frail crystal]

Why did I start the game with 350 cosmetic points?

[dark venture]

wish we had price finder maybe i have few items in the bank worth couple mil 😅

[naive knot]

It is an effect of the market to an extent because it’s supply and demand. There’s a lot of supply and no one’s buying it so the next person undercuts the next person until something eventually sells

[radiant stratus]

You prolly bought one of the supporter packs

[cyan widget]

No(?) Some items are less valuable because in order to buy them you need to have a higher lvl reputation. @compact patio I'm saying the same thing, MG is beyond broken now, especially when items are that cheap!

[primal walrus]

I'm yet to see a rare expensive rare item like Wings, or omnis, sell with LP for less then the no LP version, only items that are selling for less with LP are early game items, not wanted items (that even if u use you will not carry it into your endgame version, much less waste a good exalted 4 good mods (expensive af) on it)

[peak dagger]

it's both you got much more supply than demand(because people can't buy) ofcourse price gonna drop down.

[frail crystal]

I don't remind doing that but I certainly have the game for a good while (way before the 1.0.0) so it's probably that then

[radiant stratus]

Again, that is the same in every game. Most items are trash but people dont know, so they list it anyway even tho its vendor material. @peak dagger ^ many items are listed even tho pretty much anyone has them

[compact patio]

Too much people talk here at once. Sorry for confusion ! Have fun

[peak dagger]

but weren't @cyan widget talking about LP2 item of the same item are selling for less price than LP0 of the same item ??

[cyan widget]

Same for you. I just said that I like too much marketing in games, but like that it is beyond broken.

[tropic patio]

herald of the scurry is like that

250k baseline, 0g 1lp lol

and thats a somewhat rare and very important unique

[radiant stratus]

Because both are useless and people dont know their value. Many lp2 uniques are vendor material

[compact patio]

But do you really need LP uniques before you are able to get rank to buy them? You get rank 8 when you are close to 100 and pushing 300+ corruption. Or even more if you are hardcore

[naive knot]

Sure but this isn’t purely because of some sort of domain knowledge about what’s valuable and what’s not. The ability to purchase them is gated so there’s not as much being purchased as there is being put up. People will keep undercutting the previous lowest because they want theirs to sell faster. And if 100 are being put up but only 5 are being sold because most players are nowhere near the rank to buy it then of course it will inevitably tank

[radiant stratus]

Yes? Why not? You can always slam an exalt into it and get a boost in power

[cyan widget]

It's not like that for every item of course, some of them follow this logic and it's just because the restricions you have on the buying process!

[compact patio]

Yeah you can, but it skewer progression in game and you can skip large chunk of it just by buying something and as I get it LE devs don’t want that.

[cold kernel]

guys i cant find on auction a suffix "of acid" for one handed axe that i got , do u know smth about if ?? P.S. its a chance to shred armor

[dim pagoda]

does higher corruption zones drop more gold ?

[naive knot]

Even with all the knowledge in the world of an items “value” people will undercut or sell at massive discounts. That’s just the nature of an auction house. If even those don’t sell they become the baseline pretty the quick until it catches up

[peak dagger]

it's the same item on both LP0 and LP2 my man

[radiant stratus]

That will even out eventually. Other games are the same in the way that noone will buy an item early game at the price it would have in end game, due to people now affording it. Its not really a difference here

[primal walrus]

Herald of the scurry is way less rare than most people think, and it's only usable with 0 LP as a starting point or with 2 or 3 LP as u need +wolf's and some other shit that I can't remember, and no one will waste a +4 wolf on a 1LP item as the exalted item is so expensive, 1LP item was alway fated to be trash even when the game was SSF, much more now as you normally don't have spare good exalted that only serves to be LPed into some 1LP item and don't care if it bricks, as now you can sell those good exalteds

[cyan widget]

They could literally put that you can buy 1/2LP uniques at rank 6-7 and I think it should be fix a bit of problems!

[radiant stratus]

Yes and both lp0 and lp2 on that item can value the same... in this case probably 0 gold if the unique is garbage and isnt used in a build. I dont know which unique specifically you talk about so there is a big chance its one of the ones it wouldnt matter if its lp0 or 2

[last zealot]

I agree, UI and more specifically the Search system can be better.

[peak dagger]

if it's 0 gold in both LP0 and LP2 then it would be understandable but you can see the same LP0 item selling for like 1m while LP2 of that same item selling for 500k. this is because people can actually buy LP0 item but not LP2

[naive knot]

Sure it will, but that is an issue with the market. People knowing the values of items won’t change that.

[primal walrus]

Main point being, as now you can sell good exalted, you don't have basilions of those stashed rooting just waiting to be 75% of the time wasted on a 1LP items as the exalted per say is way more expensive than the LP item

[radiant stratus]

Or this is because they value 0, both, and people list it for 1M because they dont know they are not worth shit. If there s multiple listings of 1M + for lp2 and also multiple for lp1 at 400-900k then its different but that needs to be checked

[primal walrus]

That's just dumb people and nothing we can do about it, it's the same as selling a mirror droped on day 1 in poe for 40div but with the additional effect of only receiving the money when it would be worth 200+div (as the price will correct fast when a lot of people hit lvl 8)

[tropic patio]

server keeps blocking my message, not sure which word is doing it.

I think that 1 lp should still have the same price as baseline minimun, trading restrictions are not allowing that

Finally lol

[stark bane]

is there a site where u can chek prices or do i have to go to the bazaar every time?

[naive knot]

The difference here though is the poe example is someone doing something stupid. Currently last epochs system naturally drops the price because there is more supply than there is purchasing ability

[radiant stratus]

Bazaar sadly

[wintry plaza]

I love the trading so far but search is just terrible, this needs to be updated ASAP, just copy PoE filter

[primal walrus]

Yeah, I agree, but you understand that it's just people not using the brain enought? Undercutting someone to sell it FASTER is a normal thing, but doing it when people can't even buy the item yet is just dumb, and people are dumb

[naive knot]

Unless you somehow expect there to be 7 pages of 2lp items all valued at 2m because everyone’s made a gentleman’s agreement to not undercut each other then realistically it’s always going to drop in value as no one can buy while people keep listing more

[peak dagger]

it's not the same effect. the mirror price is because there's not much demand to use mirror at day 1. people who buy that is 100% flipper.
This game you get lock behind rank that make people keep undercutting each other because there's no buyer

[stark bane]

rip

[tropic patio]

^

Especially when things are simply not being sold

[devout dome]

does anyone know if i swap faction, do i lose the progression i have if i swap back again?

[peak dagger]

I don't think you get this. anyway have a nice day

[primal walrus]

The drop in price would only make sense if you undercut someone to sell it faster, but doing so in an item that "is that price" only bc no one cab buy it yet is just dumb, and u can't correct dumb people, maybe next season when streamers and guide makers digest that fact and serve it plated to people they will understand and not make the mistake of undercut by FOMO when people can't even buy it yet

[stark bane]

u don't

[radiant stratus]

I get it more than you do apparently, but sure ad hominem

[devout dome]

oh thats sick, thanks

[peak dagger]

sure mate

[naive knot]

That’s why it’s a flawed system. People will naturally undercut. Otherwise what’s the point of a trading system

[tropic patio]

The lack of understanding is simply making the natural process of offer and demand happen faster

Even if everyone started selling lp 2 for 1m, over time there will be more and more helmets being dropped, and everyone wants to sell theirs. Even if all these people, dropping thousands of helmets save them for when people reach rank 8, we'd still see them being valued for very little by having too many offers

The only difference is that by that point baseline would also be worth 0, cause enough time has passed

[rough cipher]

what item can be sold in the guild? cant put anything to sell. is there a specific tag on the item?

[radiant stratus]

Do you have enough favour to list the item?

[devout dome]

if i swap to merchants guild, can i sell items i have in my stash while i was with cof, or can i only sell items i have found while being in the merchants guild?

[primal walrus]

I'm not saying by the buyer point of view, I'm saying by the seller, let me change the analogy, you and I are friends, you drop a mirror, I buy it from you but I don't have the 40 div now, I farm it and pay you in 2 weeks, so you sold(listed) it for me on day 1 for 40 divs, but I only bought and you only received that money when I farmed it( hit level 8) and by the time I farmed it it was already 200 divs, but I payed you 40 divs anyway as u already sold( listed the item) for me on day 1.

That the seller dumbness and u can't even blame the buyer (me) in the LE situation as (me) are only buying it 1 week later bc took me that long to hit lvl 8

[rough cipher]

yep, enough favor i have 40k

[naive knot]

Realistically you’re probably going to have to regulate the market by forcing a minimum value to lp items if you want the value to remain static while people can’t buy it

[primal walrus]

Well hope some big streamer/YouTuber help people understand the basic fact that u can't undercut to sell faster when no one can buy your item.

[peak dagger]

I know what you were saying. I just don't like that they lock ability to buy item behind rank

[naive knot]

It doesn’t matter if a streamer says it or not though. People will still do it. Unless you expect everyone who starts playing for the first time in a new cycle to read a wiki and watch a video before playing. And even then experienced people will probably still do it because they want theirs to be at the top when you sort by lowest

[primal walrus]

It's just people not being used yet to this unique market mechanic and going on autopilot from previous AH experiences in other games, people will learn it, adapt and all will be good

[teal sable]

I hope they will make way better filter options in the future. Absolutely horrible to manually look through hundreds of uniques/sets to find a good roll.

[solar matrix]

COF COF COF COF COF IS BETTER

[cunning flame]

Anyone know how to fix the issue if the red meter is beyond the merchant guild rank notch, but it won't update the number?

[tropic patio]

one thing to note, is that ranks are here currently to artificially set an estimated time required to progress through your gear, assuming that you don't get lucky or craft gg items yourself before said ranks.

it doesn't work very well cause people play at varying paces and efficiency, so it may be in a good speed for some but very restrictive for others, mainly the people trying to sell lp gear.

usually what defines your gear progression is how much currency you have, which is defined by how much you can make. I think that this part itself is a bit broken in the game, your gold generation doesn't change that much from early monos to 200 corruption. Yes you do drop better things which are worth more, but that relies on raw gold being produced to be bought for, im talking about how much each person generates.

[primal walrus]

"When you short by lowest" almost no one is shorting by lowest on LP items bc almost no one can buy LP, if they fail to understand that its they problem, and the vast majority of players on future leagues are not new players, they will be returning players, and you need a cascade effect for and item with LP drops bellow a non LP version, with the majority of the players understanding the concept of "there is no point in undercuting or even listing it if no one can buy (then u don't have demand, than no one know the price) " the minority representing new players won't do the cascade effect

[solar matrix]

COF is better

[peak dagger]

that's not the point tho

[primal walrus]

Don't feed the trolls

[wet raft]

ban

[compact patio]

Then play it lol, and it’s not

[peak dagger]

I agree with this yeah. hopefully they rework MG next cycle

[solar matrix]

why its not ? explain me

[primal walrus]

Dude gonna make cof and Market players be like alliance and horde lol

[wet raft]

gl farming monoliths 10 hours a day to get rolls you want on each eq - ALSO IDOLS. Farmed for hours and still didnt get single adorned idols I wanted :). Also the faster you start to have good eq the faster you can clear more and more to get more gold. And gold is fcking reliable and fast to farm

[tawdry pike]

you just spam rnd sh*t and now someone have to explain you something? cmon dude

[surreal linden]

both factions are pretty good

[primal walrus]

. Please don't

[last zealot]

for one thing, I don't have to spend hours upon hours grinding for 1 specific item. I can just grind gold and favor and buy said item.

[solar matrix]

ok guys iam team Merchant now !

[naive knot]

Why would they not sort by lowest? You’re expecting people to be complete experts at the game? You set the item you want, you set min lp, you sort by lowest. You buy the cheapest. Sure if the item has a massive variance in affix ranges they might also search for the best one, but not everyone is going to fully min max everything.

[teal sable]

Is the limiting factor really gold though? For some extremly rare items I would assume that's the case but doesn't it cost quite a lot of favor to buy high lp items and try to make good legendaries? I am not that far into the endgame but it will be interesting to see if people actually run out of gold or favor when trying to get their items.

[primal walrus]

Why would they short by lowest if they can't event buy it ?

As the problem is people who cant even buy it not being the "demand"

And if people can't buy it, why will you undercut to sell faster if, AGAIN, people can't buy it yet.

And as the majority of the playerbase understand that, they will, the minor influx of new players won't make the cascade effect its needed for and LP item to drop below an non LP item

[tropic patio]

currently it is faction rank, what im saying is that i suspect this was added cause your gold generation doesn't progress well to reflect getting and buying better gear, or its simply based on ssf progression (more likely the case)

[teal sable]

I actually like that fact. I think it's enough that drops and favor increase with difficulty. No need to "force" people even harder into meta builds imho. Especially since more drops is more gold anyways.

[primal walrus]

Edited

[tropic patio]

im pretty sure that higher difficulty does not increase favour gain

[teal sable]

According to every video I watched on the topic it does.

[primal walrus]

It do, can confirm on 700 corruption

[tropic patio]

how much are you getting per run?

[tawdry pike]

i mean in the tooltip it says sth like "earn xp to get favour". The higher your corruption is the more xp you get. So i guess you also earn more favour

[dense panther]

What does LP stand for. Ty

[teal sable]

Legendary potential

[grave compass]

anyone else feel like rank 9 and 10 aren't helpful fat all for first character?

[primal walrus]

Can't check now as I'm not on PC, but it's a noticeable increase, as I would take a day to make 40k before, and now take just a couple mono boss rush runs

[last zealot]

why would I grind for hours on end when I can just buy it? what's the point of Merchant's guild then?

[compact patio]

They aren’t helpful for 2nd character either

[tawdry pike]

yes..its for ultra lategame BIS items. you can clear the whole game without those both ranks

[tropic patio]

thats a very noticeable difference lol
i stand corrected then, thanks

[grave compass]

yeah, like rank 8 feels like the end for me, generally I would rather craft my own legendaries anyways

[naive knot]

If you genuinely think people won’t naturally undercut an item regardless of why it’s not being sold then I don’t know what to tell you. Pretty much every auction house and trade heavy games with seasons showcase this.

[tawdry pike]

ye same for me.

[primal walrus]

I think he expressed wrong, most people that goes with merchant are not going bc they like to shortend they playthrough, it's just that most people don't like the idea of dropping a supper rare/valuable item that is useless for your build and not being able to sell it to convert to something usefull

[teal sable]

Exactly that. With MG every good drop brings me closer to the thing I actually want to buy while in CoF it's just praying to the goods to get exactly the drop you need.

[last zealot]

the merchant's guild was literally made so that any good gear but is useless for you or don't plan on using can be sold to others.

A good example to this is squirrel helmet, it's nerfed. not a lot of people wanna use it anymore because of it but it's still rare as hell and for people who DO want to use it can't even get the item after days of grinding Black Sun. What if they WANT to get the item so they can grind for a better version faster?

[delicate elbow]

Because of how bad filtering is

[primal walrus]

"AH games show this" bc if something is not selling in those games its because the demand os low enough and people are not willing to buy it for the current price, wich is a whole different case with that game as people are not paying the price because THEY CANT CLICK THE BUY BUTTON, if u can't understand that then I don't know what to tell you

[compact patio]

You progress ranks pretty fast and it aligns well with your level, you get to best ranks when you reach endgame and close to 100. They will probably nerf it a bit either way because@of@people crying about it.

[primal walrus]

That's a no point discussion as it's not a matter of better or worse, it's a matter o preference, it's the same discussion as SSF is better then trade

[last zealot]

different tastes for different people. I get that man. I enjoy the grind as well but I just really like trading more than I do "Loot Explosions". If there's one thing I like about this game's trading though, is the Mark. Any item you or anyone else buys gets the MG Mark, and any items with the Mark can't be resold.

Keeps the market fresh in a sense.

[peak dagger]

that's a valid reason to stick with CoF. in the end of the day this is a game you should do whatever make you fun....as long as it not involve cheating in online

[glacial void]

Just instant sold an idol for 1,500,000 baby. Should have charged more

[vagrant trellis]

I have a question about gold. Do you think playing a build that picks it up easily will end up making you much more in the long term than a build that has trouble picking it up?

[rigid turret]

prismatic gaze 2 lp worth anything? isnt any on AH

[primal walrus]

And there are people that want to stick to a build the chose and not with what the game throw at them.

It's a matter of preference. And I still think CoF deserves a buff

[broken summit]

if you think cof needs buff then you didnt play it lmao

[last zealot]

yeah sure. but to me personally, It takes a while before I get "bored" of a character and already planned out my next one... and during that next character's run I'm gonna farm for the next character I feel like making.

I don't "Keep" multiple possible "build sets" on my stashes.

I only keep Uniques, some good t6-t7 Exalted that might be useful in the future, The sets (I want a complete collection) and whatever gear could be useful for my next character... and this was before 1.0 launch.

[glacial void]

Going further on that, there's way more cool items than you have time for. You might open up one or two items that make you want to try a build, but what happens when you get to the fifth?

[primal walrus]

Nah, I make around 100k gold from drop (not wealthy shrine or gold reward from echo) in the same time I make 5+millions from droped items

[brisk isle]

If you want to min max a build, you will always need to play MG, otherwise you would need way to much luck. Thats atleast why i prefer MG over CoF, at least for the time being. I plan to play CoF with my second char when I'm done with my first build.

[last zealot]

you have a higher chance getting more money from MG than farming echoes. Market's a bit skewed in both directions right now since it's pretty new and there's less people selling/buying stuff because of server issues and the fact that CoF is the better option for people who just wants to keep grinding... which is a lot of people.

[broken summit]

the good ones are not free anyway

[primal walrus]

I feel CoF is good for midgame when u need X or Y unique, and bla bla bla, but when it comes to minmax I doubt it will be that strong

[glacial void]

Don't underestimate people's stupidity haha. There will always be free stuff

[last zealot]

good ones were never free to begin with anyways... but people are stupid so there's a high chance there's still gonna be 0 cost items everywhere.

maybe in like.. a month or two we'd no longer see 0 cost items.

all you need to know is that Most of the money is on Idols. especially the meta ones or anything with the 2 new added classes.

[grave compass]

there are so many random free 1 and 2 lp uniques on market it's crazy

[primal walrus]

There will be if you are not in a meta build, every single LP item I bought was expensive AF, every wanted item is expensive in the LP version, just not the 1LP version as no one sane would waste a +4 ballista mod on a 1/4 chance

Was awnsering @clear basin , but forgot thr click to awnser lol

[last zealot]

enjoy it while it lasts, next cycle... people will already know how MG works (hopefully)

[grave compass]

yeah by next cycle I would expect the market to be much more stable

[vagrant trellis]

Also the game just released and a lot of people have not been playing for long, it will change in the future. Most 1-2 LP uniques are going to be worthless unless they are really rare or played a lot by design regardless

[broken summit]

i assume they will make some changes to mg next cycle too

[glacial void]

No matter how bad the item, 0 gold is still insane. You're losing money by listing it in the form of favor. Selling LP gear costs you like 1k+

[last zealot]

now that I think about it... Is it time for me to make a build for Cleaver Solution? I wanted to play around with it before launch but couldn't get it to drop with LP. can someone check what's the price of 2-4 LP Cleaver's? not in my pc atm

[dark venture]

so how do learn whats valueable? Do you have to visit the most popular builds BIS gear guides and see what they use and hope you have some in the stash

[brisk isle]

you need to spend favor anyway, i gambled a lot of my favor for xp lol

[grave compass]

2lp cleavers were like 10k last I checked

[broken summit]

i think only bleed hammerdin uses cleaver

[primal walrus]

I myself had a bunch of 1lp items listed for 0(as I didint bother to imput a price) that I know are trash and will never sell just because I wanted to expend favor to level the faction, and by the time I didint knew the gambling option was better. Most people that listed for 0 did for the same reason, it's not like they care as there are items that are worthless even with 3lp

[vagrant trellis]

You will just learn it to be honest in the long term

[dark venture]

crazy i sold a helmet for 2mil yday

[last zealot]

check the meta build guides, see the items they use. remember the uniques... remember the Affixes, check the idols, remember those idol affixes... make a filter.

@dark venture nice!

[peak dagger]

wish we got LE.ninja

[broken summit]

wait, gambling is better for favor??

[vernal flicker]

4lp slab b like

[last zealot]

early on and time wise yes. since you only have to click a few times to spend like... 3000-5000 favor in one go.

[rough kayak]

anyone here willing to help me farm gaspar? i'm grinding MG rep while trying to target ravenous void

[primal walrus]

People are doing it to use favor and level the MG, they don't bother if the item sell or not, it's a worthless item, and no one is "losing money listing" they are expending favor to level MG

[fluid pond]

They are losing money. You can vendor the item and then gamble your favor and sell those items as well..they are helping other players though so thats cool

[primal walrus]

People said it gives u like 2.33 rep per favor spend in comparison to listing/buying something Givin you 2 rep per favor .
@last zealot

[peak dagger]

losing 500 gold yes

[glacial void]

If you don't care that the item sells, just sell something else. List it for 10k. Don't just leave money on the table. You already spent the favor

[remote orbit]

if you're gonna spend favor to list something, why not also just charge gold for it though. I understand wanting to min-max the rank, but it just kinda seems goofy to sell stuff for 0 gold when there's gold sinks in the game 🤷

[grave compass]

if you consider not vendoring gear losing gold you must be really poor

[stray pumice]

Someone was suggested to do a npc trade in option for those who wanted to get rid of their items so the market listing is "cleaner" without those 0 gold stuffs

[fluid pond]

I have 4 mill right now after spending like 2 mill. Still not posting auctions for free. Cope take

[last zealot]

well... to be fair I am gambling in a sense... I'm spending all my gold and favor on Erased Sentinel Weaver relic lmao...

[rough kayak]

not me lmao i sell everything for at least 10k im trying to get up to 2m gold to but ravenous void for my build but its a struggle alot of the stuff in my stall doesnt sell

[glacial void]

Dredgen there's a TON of gold in idols. I've sold many for 1 million

[remote orbit]

I'm at 2 million, idols sold well for me too.

[rough kayak]

im not sure what idols to look for @glacial void

[grave compass]

yeah idols make wild moiney

[last zealot]

just gotta know the good Idols man, Stout Idols with HP% and Flat HP sells for a lot.

[glossy tinsel]

Smite idols are easy money as well as health idols

[primal walrus]

Well, tbh most people didn't even knew that u can gamble, I myself only discovered it today, and in the other hand, I would rather list to use favor than selling it for 500gp if gambling was not and option, even now I don't sell them I either don't pick them anymore or just throw it on the ground when I see it's price is 0-20k

500gp is like 3 seconds farming

[analog arch]

Im COF right now, if i change to MG will i then lose all the ranks in COF?

[primal walrus]

I love that weaver thing concept it makes me want to buy a bunch of them

[glacial void]

not the ranks but you'll lose the favor

[peak dagger]

which monolith are you guys farming btw ?

[fluid pond]

Yeah buying weavers gear for alts is a good incentive to spend favor

[remote orbit]

Oh i see, i guess part of it is knowing the game well enough. Like someone mentioned Smite idols go for pretty well, especially the smite on throwing attack hit ones. I assume it's cause Ziz had a video for that build

[primal walrus]

Selling it for 10k makes me need to input a price in every trash that's never gonna sell that I was selling just to use favor, and again, favor is easy to farm on high corruption, it's never the limiting factor, I rather use it to level MG fast then let it sitting there, favor is not money

[glacial void]

favor IS money though. favor is transferred to money when you expend it to make a sale

[grave compass]

no it's not what?

[knotty gate]

selling items for the favour isn't worth it when you can gamble and recieve twice as much

[hollow bison]

If I group with a friend and do some mono, gained some stability, and I go leave party before killing the quest boss, do I keep the stability gained while in group?

[rough kayak]

if you join someone on high corruption do you get favor for being with them or just for what you kill?

[dense tulip]

How do I distinguish quickly a good unique from bad unique ? I spend too much time trying to price check items on the bazaar, is it possible to filter out uniques no one wants? Is there a list available online?

[primal walrus]

No, I said, favor is not the limiting factor, you will have much more of it than u will use when u hit high corruption, supposing you are not selling every trash 10k-50k item u grab.

And I'm not saying it on speculation, I'm on 700 corruption farming, made 50 million until now more or less and the only time my favor got to 0 was when I bought a bunch of t7 exalted rings just out of fear of losing it in the search ( as the search is horrible) in the end used only one of those that I bought to craft and all the other that I bought just bc I was lazy to search it again, so bought on sight I trashed

[dark venture]

need last epoch awakened

[remote orbit]

I think once they release the api, which they said they'll do, someone will probably make a price check site. At least I hope so

[dense tulip]

I cannot exclude certain uniques in loot filter?

[vagrant trellis]

I wish they created a somewhat working api and put a listing id to every listing. On a site you copypaste the listing id, you put it on some in game field and the item referencing that id just shows up on the in game ui. This would help a lot when it comes to filtering items since filtering in game is a bit annoying

[remote orbit]

You can hide all uniques in one filter, than show certain uniques in another if that's what your asking. Though it's kind of funky, cause some are based on item bases while others are "unique only" bases.

[south cosmos]

it is ridiculously hard to level up... or am I doing things wrongly

[dense tulip]

Yeah, that's what I'm having dificulty with, there should be a name list of uniques and I could just hide those I don't want

[primal walrus]

I would rather they just add a roll filter and a count filter ingame

[compact patio]

It’s not, higher corruption and using gambler speed up the process. Also fish for xp books in monos

[remote orbit]

I see yeah, I've played enough now to know what uniques are good and what some are bad (somewhat at least) so I just have everything shown

[primal walrus]

Its hard after 85ish if u are not pushing corruption, if u push corruption you will hit 100 in a day or so of empowered monolith farming

(Tought you was saying about character level, but yes the same apply to MG level)

[vagrant trellis]

As long as it shows unique affixes sure. Also displaying the rolls on uniques and having a easier to see listing UI would be good

[primal walrus]

I think you can see the rolls on listed items if u hover the buy button and press Ctrl Alt

[vagrant trellis]

Ill try when I get home. I usually only press alt so it might be it

[remote orbit]

if you mouse over the image of the item, it'll bring up the tooltip for it. Then you can hold ctrl+alt. It's a very specific spot on the listing, top right image of what the item looks like

[primal walrus]

But yeah games desperately need a roll filter, searching everything Is a pain, and trying to search an exalted item with X exalted mod+Y normal mods is just non possible lol

You either search for both mods exalted or you search for them t1+ and filter exalted only and search through a sea of pee of items that have Z mod exalted + your 2 desired mods

[remote orbit]

But yeah I agree, once they release the api i feel like some of my gripes like how hard it is to price check will be easier. It should be in game though, but idk if it will be

[broken summit]

ye but thats probably not anytime soon

[frigid narwhal]

yo, anyone knows if theres a unique list with uniques that worth something? there are so many uniques.. or are they all garbo and i just vendor them

[primal walrus]

There's not that many uniques in the game, check if its something u never saw then in a couple days you will know everything that's not valuable and never pick them up again

[remote orbit]

Outside my gripes though, I really like Merchant's Guild. It's fun

[primal walrus]

Yeah, it's a fresh feeling when I drop a bastion or something now that my build not gonna use and can convert it into an upgrade to my build.

Not more 30 stash full of "future builds rare uniques"

Btw as a non native enligsh speaker I have a question, should I use "an" or "a" when the next word starts with a vowel

[fluid pond]

If you dont have like lp +3 on a unique Its probably a safe bet to vendor outside of a few

[remote orbit]

I've sold lp 0 and 1 ones, I sold a devotion yesterday

[fluid pond]

Yeah but for how much, I'm just saying lp+ 3-4 are the big gold uniques otherwise ur not missing a ton

[primal walrus]

I sell a bunch of 100k-500k 0/1lp uniques daily, check them at least one time, don't vendor it if u don't recognize the item

[frigid narwhal]

sitting on 4 tabs full of uniques lmao

[remote orbit]

Idk, every one i've sold helped me buy something else.

[wintry plaza]

Last Epoch end game is bad, really boring and its pretty much same as D4. It has some mechanics that make it boring bit later than D4 but still same problem.
I was hoping merchant guild will make things right, make items much harder to find and make game more about trading if you want (you can join fortune if dont want to trade).

But seeing how merchant guild is implemented, this changed nothing about Last Epoch, just made end game items more accessible.
Search filter is just terrible.
Item drop rate is same as in 1.0 but now you can trade.
Traded items cant be traded again.

Hyped for nothing.

[analog arch]

So if i have a bunch lp3 whats the price on something like that

[fluid pond]

Depends on item but definitely higher

[primal walrus]

About content and endgame they prob need time, poe had little to no endgame too circa 2013 before they start accumulating leagues content for years and expansions.

About the market UI I agree but I hope it was an oversee instead of a design decision to not have things like count or roll filters

[fluid pond]

Yeah cycle 1 for me is about playing as many alts as possible using merchant guild to easily get their gear. If you're just going to perma grind corruption it'll probably become a slog

[compact patio]

It was added pretty late in the game, let’s hope they will work on ui in future.

[remote orbit]

Yeah I'm not a corruption pusher either

[primal walrus]

3lp on a "close call" shield is worth nothing as the item is undesirable, but 3lp on a Wings is probably worth a 2-3 digit millions *

[primal walrus]

I wasn't too, until I felt in person how much better the drops are and how much better farming targetable things are using the "rerrol uncompleted rewards" and the other echo that let's you do all again on high corruption, don't event need to get it too high

[analog arch]

Just one of i remember is the thornshell

[wintry plaza]

You can search only affixes, I really like PoE search where you type i want item with total resistances for cold of 50% or more. This feels much more lacking. And beside that it is really unfriendly where if you click wrong thing, whole filter gets reset.

About endgame, iam aware, they said they would add end game bosses soon but trading for me is really some end game activity where you min max your build. Sell your loot so you can buy items for your build. And buying weaker items which you will sell later is part of the process. This really bums me out.

[primal walrus]

I'm sleepy af, just saw I typed 2-3 digit ((B))illions instead of Millions, just imagine a 100 billion item lol, I need to get some rest

[remote orbit]

Didn't they always say they were only going to let items be traded once? I remember them at least saying that since the announcement of the item factions

[dark venture]

wonder how many people using bots to snipe a item seems like you can refresh infinite times no cooldown

[primal walrus]

I think the fact that u can't resell items are healthy to the game, at least in its current situation, as the game don't have that big of and endgame every "moneysink" is welcome

[coarse lava]

It is a pain in the ass to reach rank 7, any tips to make the grind faster?

[fluid ice]

is there no way to search something like shred armor on gloves?

[tropic patio]

botting for what bruh
can't resell lmao

[primal walrus]

Push corruption as you will receive more per killed mob in higher corruptions.

Waste favor on gambler.

@fluid ice yes, it's bugged

[dark venture]

these bis idols costing 3m+ if some beginner acciently lists it for 10k gold lol

[tropic patio]

people bot to make real money. You can't make real money with this 💀

[compact patio]

Yes they did, everything was stated beforehand and if someone didn’t read it’s their problem.

[coarse lava]

You have list of bis idols so I can put them on my filter?

[dark venture]

%increase health and +health crazy expensive

[primal walrus]

There are content creators making "universal" filters, I saw one with a bunch of x build idols on the filter, and a couple of generic mage/acolyte etc idols, just don't remember the name.

Was one of the buildmakers of maxroll iirc

[remote orbit]

I think maxroll includes trade variations for their loot filters too, I dont' know how good they are

[primal walrus]

Well guys, I'm gonna take my leave, thanks for the chatting

[split valley]

lol %increased health

[sturdy star]

i just sold an idol for 5 mil jesus christ

[tranquil burrow]

what idol was that?

[sturdy star]

mana/fire dmg mage one, both high rolls

[fluid ice]

does anyone have a list of non 0 gold uniques? trying to make my own to see what is easier to sell but wondering if anyone has a spreadsheet or something yet. Pricechecking is mega time consuming

[remote orbit]

I don't sorry

[jolly chasm]

Any good filters for lategame drops? Need to clean my exalted drops ASAP

[tropic patio]

im in the process of making a filter for that. gonna check every maxroll endgame build and add those items to a filter

[cinder wadi]

They're pretty bad from the ones I've used.

[remote orbit]

Ah, I used ZiggyD's guide video to get the gist of things again, and then made some simple conditions for trading to it.

[tranquil burrow]

maxroll merchants guild filters suck

[peak reef]

increased gold drop vs increased unique blessing?

[cinder wadi]

Yeah I realistically modify my loot filter every 2-3 full inventories. Just slight tweaks here and there.

[fluid ice]

anyone have an idea what timeline is best to farm for most stuff worth selling?

[humble kelp]

until people get high enough level just sell stuff for 0 gold to rank up

[thin trout]

I cant search the minion phys, minion spell affixes on bazaar on this base. what am i missing?
https://i.imgur.com/pmgzE4m.png

[queen wagon]

marchant guild is bad , i am bad at crafting but i crafted a better wand then anything on the market just by randomly clicking stuff , on top of that the market itself is horrible instead of one UI with deep search functions , you get this stalls ,and when you wanna look for affixes you cant set for each affix what tier you want it to be , but you must select same tier for all of them , and bunch of other clunk . COF is so much better , i am tier 7 in marchants but in tier 4 COF i am already having a better time

[cinder wadi]

How insightful

[fluid ice]

i think having 3-4 lp able to just be target bought alone makes it better than cof, even if you had to find your own exalts (which you dont)

[tribal dust]

COF enjoyer here to say Crimson doesn't represent the average COF enjoyer i swear we make more sense

[fluid ice]

cof would only be better if this game had smartloot, rarely drops stuff you need

[queen wagon]

meh , i walked into a church to tell them that saints arent real , this si pointless .

[remote orbit]

Man there's a lot of misinformation in this chat damn

[sleek arch]

Where are the quests that earn favor?

[fluid ice]

or you could use logic instead of just saying stuff based off your feelings, the only downside to mg is really the shitty affix filters and searches

imagine farming crazy amounts of hours for the lp3 you need only to brick it when you could have just bought it

[void merlin]

more like you are the church coming in here trying to convert us in your stupid religion

[vestal sable]

The hero we don't deserve

[tough hound]

I'm about 9 k rep away from tier 6. Hit level 86 last night.

Tier 7 feels so far away lmao.

[queen wagon]

i am not trying to convert anyone , i want the market fixed

[tough hound]

I wish we were able to purchase anything off the MG, we just had to be the correct rank to wear it.

So many items I've seen that I would have snapped up if I had the the rank lol

[brisk isle]

these items would be already sold then, they are so cheap beacsue no one can buy them

but tbf i have no clue about what is the right price, only played for like 50+ hours in the beta a year ago

[tough hound]

Yeah I know, which means the market wouldn't be out of whack on the top end.

I feel like a lot of people who are talking up the friction like it's a good thing are doing so because they blasted to 100 because they have the time and are just happy to take advantage of the cheap exalts and LP gear.

It is what it is, I don't have the time to do that right out the gate. So if there's no changes to MG next cycle I'll probably just go CoF and play like I'm playing OSRS Ironman.

[brisk isle]

i feel like thats just how PoE works too, on the beginning of a league the demand for certain items is so low that they are very cheap, the only diffrents is that in poe you can flip those items and give them a value that they actualy dont have at that moment. I feel like this system is good, it gives the good players a advantage but not in the long run like in poe. I would want to get rewarded for playing more / more effectively.

[tough hound]

Everyone can buy whatever they want whenever they want in PoE. I don't need to grind out a faction rep, just my own currency.

I have the currency.

[molten spindle]

I just bought a LP3 ring for 10k gold xDDDD

[brisk isle]

it would not change anything if they remove the ranks imo, those items that are cheap now would just increase to a price that you could also just level up in the time it takes you to get the gold for them. Either way, player who play more / more effectively are getting ahead of the others.

[tropic patio]

but its not because there isn't demand, its because you are rank gated

Its completely different to poe inflation over time

[patent gorge]

If I buy something from Bazaar on my main character, can I use that item on my second character who is CoF?

[little oriole]

No

[tough hound]

Currently I'm at the point where I would want to purchase exalts. I'm at full t20. Only my rings and amulet are MG purchased.

I can't. Because I'm 9k away from rank 6. I've actually found two T6 exalts just from world drops that I've crafted to near bis and am wearing because I literally can't buy them.

The only reason the demand isn't there for a lot of items is because people literally aren't allowed to buy them.

[scarlet dune]

If its bought in the bazaar I'm pretty sure it has a rank just like cof items have ranks

[tough hound]

I'm not playing a particularly popular build, my items are so cheap it is driving me nuts lol.

[tropic patio]

dragonbone axe is good
melee attack speed, flat minion / spell dmg, minion dmg

[slate canyon]

Yeah I swapped to CoF cuz a rare wand even with just 2 affixes I wanted was 1 mill and some of my uniques with just 1-2lp were 5-10 mil. I figured I'd have more fun just target farming and getting a bunch of loot possibly for other builds/classes rather than just grind for gold

[tropic patio]

no

[slate canyon]

Crystal wand, some of the cheaper ones had bad rolls and no forging potential. Like I checked for about 3 hours last night and sure maybe someone puts one up cheaper but I don't want to sit there just looking all day id rather just play you know

[broken summit]

well, ppl are pretty delusional atm with prices

[tough hound]

Most magic based builds are using crystal wand because it's a good base. Mine uses it to.

[tropic patio]

crystal wand is also good cause it requires only level 60 iirc
So its the entry level mono magic weapon

[broken summit]

ye but the thing is, price is not justified bcz by the time you get enough gold for a mediocre crystal wand, in cof you probably find 5 that you can just craft

[slate canyon]

Right and my uniques with even 1-2lp was just like 5-10 mil and I'm just like meh I'll just have more fun getting a bunch of loot rather than just playing the market

[slate canyon]

This 100%

[broken summit]

im in early game with trade so might just missing something, but i have 0 idea how any1 can get 10 mil gold even lmao

[delicate elbow]

Guys do you think they made it that hard to filter on the action house on purpose or is it just lack of time to develop good filtering. That is such a gamechanger, I will move to CoF just because of how abnoxious it is to go around and check prices.

[mossy quiver]

Found a 4 mil offhand the second day which sold for that

[main pawn]

When i got to rank 8 i was at like 6m gold and was able to buy most of my build with 2-3 LP

[slate canyon]

You have to know what's good and then run around and price check things etc etc. Stops you from playing the game a lot of the time. Also on CoF let's say you need a dungeon drop you gotta go do it right. On merchants you literally could possibly skip all content and just do gold Monos or try and do monos with gear just to sell it. And then buy dungeon drops. Idk wasn't for me. I understand merchants will always beat out CoF when it comes to getting BiS but you still can get BiS or close to it and still play high corruption

[slate canyon]

You must not be playing a popular build lol LP uniques on popular bulbs are starting to get pretty expensive now that the game has been out and people can actually play

[main pawn]

I'm playing bleed warlock and i guess that's popular, only missing the frostbite gloves but thats way too expensive atm

[broken summit]

its bcz ppl have 0 idea whats valuable, so what they do is go to maxroll tierlists, check the S tier builds items and put them up for insane prices

[half laurel]

Hey guys, if i list a item and then remove from merchant and list it again, i gain points to rank up or It’s bugged?

[tropic patio]

are they wrong? If thats what majority plays why wouldn't you rip them off 💀

[proud rune]

What’s the fastest way to grind favor?
I find it extremely slow after level 4

[main pawn]

Just push high corruption and do the exp book monoliths, but yeah it is slow

[wanton bear]

Do you think it's ever worth to use rune of creation on an item to sell both copies?

And would these be worth doing that to?
https://i.imgur.com/UJ17YPp.png

[proud rune]

Damn, hope they buff it.

[void merlin]

how rare is a rune of creation

[lunar linden]

can you sell copies???

[tropic patio]

very

[wanton bear]

yes. but you can't copy an item that was already sold and sell it.

And yeah. I only have 2 runes of creation. They are pretty rare.

[lunar linden]

oh ok makes sense

[teal dirge]

what happen with items on marketplace if i switch to another guild ?

[wanton bear]

idk, but I don't see why they wouldn't just stay on the market. You probably won't be able to retrieve the gold until you swap back though.

[split wave]

If it's a really valuable item, yeah. Otherwise the only thing I use creations for is doubling exalteds for legendary crafting (which is more reliable than doubling an item for selling, but more niche).

[half laurel]

Hey guys, if i list a item and then remove from merchant and list it again, i gain points to rank up or It’s bugged?

[hot flicker]

does anyone know why i cant search armor shred on gauntlets? i know i can have it on there

[wanton bear]

I don't think that is more niche. I thought that was the main thing people used creations for. Rare T7's + good craft for lp.

@hot flicker armor shred is bugged. It hasn't been searchable on any item

[hot flicker]

aah okayokay ty

[deep carbon]

how much favour do legendary items cost to buy?

[wanton bear]

They vary.

[deep carbon]

Thanks... but can you give me a range or an example?

[cinder wadi]

Between not a lot and a lot

[deep carbon]

wow, this information is amazing thank you.

[devout dome]

i mean its anything from like 500 to 20k or something

[deep carbon]

for legendary items?

[devout dome]

oh thought u ment uniques idk about legendary items, uniques go from 500 to 20k depending on legendary potential, actual legendaries no idea didnt check

[deep carbon]

alright, I imagine they are pretty high. I just havent seen one listed yet.

[sleek igloo]

currently rank 7, i have a question, if i bought unique and exalted from the market and craft legendary, could I sell it?

[deep carbon]

no I think once you buy some thing it cant be sold again

[sleek igloo]

ahh it doesnt count as a new item then

[deep carbon]

i dont think so

[grand robin]

Does an item I purchase from the guild ever become tradeable? or is flipping not a thing?

[acoustic trail]

flipping is not a thing

[grand robin]

So making money is only really possible by grinding for items then selling them, then that item cannot be traded ever again?

[acoustic trail]

yeah

[tough hound]

They want people to play the game, not the market.

[acoustic trail]

I don't like that either, but I get why they are doing this

[grand robin]

Interesting i appreciate the response

[vale owl]

is it me or is the merchants guild just overstocked with over the top priced stuff? not to mention high rank stuff

[broken summit]

not just you, it is what it is

[grand robin]

Most people cant buy good items yet, rep grind is real.

[vale owl]

ive gotten the 2 pieces i need to start my warlock endgame luckily. but yea raising rep is a bit tedious. i wouldnt mind a boost

[tough hound]

Yeah, I'm level 86 and I'm about 9k rep away from rank 6. So probably days away from purchasing exalted gear.

[grand robin]

@tough hound how much favor you got? you might want to spend some to speed it up, like just list garbage to boost imo

[runic mirage]

which should i pick? circle or merchants?

[tough hound]

I managed to get a T6 chest and shield to drop with the right exalted stats and crafted those to be near bis, so that was nice.

[vale owl]

i personally have bad luck in anything i do so being able to find the exact item to buy is for me.

[tough hound]

I blow all my favor listing items for sale every night before I get off.

[runic mirage]

so merchant guild? is it expensive to buy anything?

[vale owl]

ROFL OH YEA!

[deep carbon]

I think once an item has the tag it cannot be traded or sold again

[tough hound]

Ravenous Voids are cheaper than I thought they'd be tbh.

[runic mirage]

i gues i will not get full endgame gear for 100k gold then :/

[vale owl]

i spent 150k on just helm thats unique

[dense panther]

Hi everyone. Is there any tips in how I should filter loot for the auction house. My items sell seemingly randomly and I’m trying to work on what I should focus my efforts on

[tall acorn]

guys, can anyone check what does twisted heard cost in the market please?

[elfin karma]

it depends

[tall acorn]

im desperate tbh, thinking of swapping to merchant guild and farming up lvls to get the heart...

[acoustic trail]

100k+ last time I checked

[elfin karma]

from 0 to few mil gold tbh depends what you looking for

[rough narwhal]

woo, the maxed rolled minion sword I put up two days ago finally sold for 2 million. We're eating lobster tonight boys

[acoustic trail]

being somewhat new, I still can't put my finger on how to price uniques
like, rn 0 lp are worth more than 1+ lp, but most of them still go for 0g
mb I should check if any in my collection have good rolls and try to sell them

[cinder wadi]

Actual end-game gear is between 500k-5m per piece. mid game is free to 200k

You don't lose your rank only your favor.

[dusky portal]

Unlucky squad lessgo 🙂

[vale owl]

lol i sppose.

[mighty bone]

That only matters if you decide to switch back again, right? You still have to grind rank for your new faction when you first switch?

[slate canyon]

Its kinda crazy how many of you saying you have like pretty much BiS gear once you rank 7-8 and are lvls 90-100. these kind of games you are supposed to be max level and then have to grind at least a good amount before you have pretty good gear. Like sure now you just push corruption but your build is pretty much complete as soon as you hit max level? Thats not how these games are supposed to function lol. imo this faction needs some reworks. First cycle tho, EHG will figure it out.

[civic talon]

If i'm not high rank enough in merchant guild, can I still view stuff i'm not able to buy ? To get a rough idea of price

[sleek igloo]

yes, u can. just got to baazar

[mighty bone]

Yes, first thing I did when I signed up for merchants is start shopping to see when I could actually get something

[weak storm]

merchant guide is kinda bad kewk(was CoF)
i was intended to try it for easier find for my warlock bleed but to get LP unique u need rank 8 xd

[civic talon]

Thanks, i'll probably change guild then. CoF is okay but discovering some uniques are on a single boss and barely possible to get LP2...

[sleek igloo]

just grind mono like 30 mins u will get to rank 3, and can buy all the 0 gold unique ppl posted. that what i did

[broken summit]

0 gold uniques are usually useless tho

[agile flame]

Ye Merchant's Guild seems really strong. To be fair, needing level 100 isn't necessarily required, but still.
Reaching rank 8 isn't THAT hard once in empowered mono, as you can just buy a billion 0 gold items for rep and go.

[sleek igloo]

Humming bird sword and Bloody's Nib useful for my build

[cinder wadi]

Dont buy the 0 gold items. Go gamble, it gives more rep/xp/whatever you call it.

[acoustic trail]

I am not into end-end-game yet but I think the problem is just that there is not much post 100 lvl content
new game, just hopefully we will get more content in future cycles

[agile flame]

Or that, you can also gamble w/ the NPCs. In general it's not hard to push the rep high up, it's a bit too powerful as of now ngl :_D

[vapid scaffold]

the endgame is farm an item which has 1 more stat than on ur old item

[slate canyon]

Yeah im just saying Trade SHOULD be strong. Trade should beat out CoF when it comes to BiS gear. But the one the reps work and what not, people are getting BiS around level 90-100 when they get ranks 7-8. You should not have BiS gear in a ARPG this quickly is my point. lol but EHG will figure it out. I dont think they want people to have BiS this quickly.

[agile flame]

FINAL endgame is ladder to be fair. Not the most exciting thing for super mega sweathards, but LE isn't for those players right now sadly.
I expected as much. LE's endgame is faaar more shallow than PoE's is right now. Which is fine, LE literally just launched and there's tons of builds to try and legendary gear to make which is fun but alas.

[mortal ibex]

Really? Whem I gambled my 100k favor it felt like my rep barely moved. I had an impression that trading actually gives more

[weak storm]

i probably just get all the unique i need at base then switch back to CoF to find LP
I LITRREALLY FORGOT LMAO

[sleek igloo]

u cannot wear it if diffrent faction lol

[weak storm]

welp CoF is it then

[acoustic trail]

thats what I mean, its hard to scale past lvl 90+, BiS is not that hard to get, at least thats what I see so far

[lost crypt]

wanna get to the merchants guild on my alt ASAP whats the fastest way?

[tropic patio]

you press Y
Does it let you locate and tele to bazaar?

[lost crypt]

ahh ok keepers camp 😄

[rough narwhal]

zizaran made a video 21hrs ago on the best way to skip campaign with an alt

[smoky swallow]

%5healt / +31 health idols worth a bit ?

[wanton bear]

you get access to the guild from the very start on alts

[dense scarab]

yoiu get access but u cant teleport to the town until u reach it on alts

[wanton bear]

why would that matter? you buy on your other character and put the item in the stash. You just need MG so you can use the ranked item.

[dense scarab]

you didnt specify full access or not, so i was just addressing it and be more specific that you dont get access to the town striaght away

[tiny spire]

Can anyone port me to Merchant's guild for my alt please? ign: Lp2rm

[vapid scaffold]

oh man i love MG u can spend hours upon hours sifting trough pages full of crap because u cant filter for VALUES and not just T stats, also enjoy looking for idols

[wanton bear]

You don't need to be ported. you get to join faction in the first town on alts. If you need to buy something, just do it on your main?

[acoustic trail]

yeah, market filters are bad rn

[tiny spire]

OH! i didn't know. Thank you for telling me!

[wanton bear]

Is that even true though? you can travel to the bazaar via the Faction screen (Y).

[dense scarab]

you cant travel there on an alt unless someone lets u teleport on them. it isnt accessable until you have been there. you cant just join the faction early on an alt and tp straight to the town. you can do as u said on your main that has been there buy and stash

[tiny spire]

Can someone port me to MG waypoint please, i got to first town and found out i cannot haha... ign lp2rm 😄

[tough hound]

This is false. All favor spent grants the same amount of rep, this is directly from EHG.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1b0x2ff/cof_is_worth_praise_but_merchants_guild_feels/ksc8jwp/

[fallen cairn]

Do you lose your rep if you transfer factions? Or does the rep stay and maybe you just lose favor

[tough hound]

Rep stays the same, you lose any favor you had and you cannot equip items tagged from the faction you left.

[compact patio]

This post is pure cancer

[tough hound]

I linked an EHG comment on the post, not the post itself.

[spare crater]

best way to farm gold?

[fallen cairn]

Do items bought from players have the merchant tag? I’m trying to get an exsanguinous cuz it’s my last piece but don’t wanna swap just to realize I won’t be able to wear it when I go back

[tough hound]

Yes. Anything purchased through the MG gets the MG tag.

[tiny spire]

Hi ! Do you know how to disable the solo loot challenge to use de market ?

[fallen cairn]

Okay that makes sense. Can someone check the price on that chest piece so I can think about my decision more 😂 oh zero lp btw

[tough hound]

And you'd start at rank 1 MG if you swapped, so you wouldn't be able to purchase Exsanguinous anyways.

[umbral wren]

it doesn't take that long to get to R3 for non-lp uniques, but yeah, you'd still lose the ability to wear them if you went back to CoF

[fallen cairn]

Yeah I’d have to work on the rep, but zero lp unique aren’t too deep if I understood the rep chart properly

I’d probably get one just to help my build and make farming for a normal drop that much easier then maybe switch back

[lone oak]

hi, I'm currently using fortune faction and I'm 50k points away from level 6. I was thinking of switching to merchant guild since non of the unique I need is dropping and its cheap on market but is it worth

[tropic patio]

its a completely different approach my friend, you have to think if you will enjoy it

Merchants guild benefits more from farming gold, so running dungeons with valuable gear regardless if you use them is good

Cof lets you pick what you want to farm and have an easier path there

[lone oak]

I haven't been able to get any common unique drops that I need

restarting from level 1 seems like a pain tho. idk how fast it will take to level merchant and I need to buy lots of unique

[tropic patio]

is it possible to add open prefix/suffix as an option in filters?

[tropic patio]

apparently it scales with exp gained so it should be somewhat fast to reach level 6 if you are in empowered monos already

[lone oak]

I am in empowered mono but I'm getting 1 shotted sometimes, haven't been getting my gear

[modest rover]

merchantbros yall know any server where the chats arent constantly spammed so u can actually find answers to ur burning questions?

[sullen moss]

Hi, how exactly does it work with the Merchant Guild? I often see items that are offered with a high currency, for example 10k for a Potential Unique and no gold. But when I put the same item in, it is only offered for, for example, 2k currency and I can only set the gold. Is there the possibility of increasing the currency for MG?

[tiny spire]

Can i gain more rep buying or listing?

[wanton bear]

rep is based on favour used. The most efficient is gambling

[tiny spire]

i see okay thanks

[tiny spire]

Gambling meaning in the faction vendor correct?

[wanton bear]

That's not how it works. Favour is EHG's way of ensuring you are playing the game. It is the time cost to buy/sell an item. The favor of listing an item is how much you pay to list. The favor of buying an item is the favor the buyer pays to buy the item. It naturally caosts more favor to buy an item than it does to list one.

@tiny spire yes

[tiny spire]

Thank you

[cyan widget]

T5 chance to shred armour on hit, is that valuable?

[humble pendant]

depends on the rest of the item

[drowsy lichen]

GuyS! please say i am not the only person who thinks the merchant filters are complete SHITE for searching AND listing items for sale

[candid mason]

If I list an item and someone buys it, do I get favor back?

[tall sun]

Been farming BFD 500 corruption monos to try and get things to sell on market for high gold. Anyone have any other recommendation for areas to farm purely for making gold so I can buy more 3lp items?

[candid mason]

If I list an item and someone buys it, do I get favor back since they’re buying it with gold and favor?

[drowsy lichen]

NO you tit

[modest rover]

can i sell a weavers ring after its became a legendary?

[lime minnow]

take a break brother

[drowsy lichen]

I hear ya bro

[mossy grotto]

If its tradable yea but i dont think many people are lvl 10merchant if any at all

[drowsy lichen]

Please everyone PUSH this message and update!!! PLEASE make the merchant trade options ALOT better!! the filters are so so so BASIC its chaffing my arse. Please update them with a more complex system that allows a player to search for specific tags AND values; Physical damage (min 0) (max 999) also look at implementing a more friendly like for like in the sale bar; for instance when you want to sell an item, you get a pop up that matches that items base type/unique type and stats to items of the same (more than 1) and the sale value to give a player a good base line instead of everyone LITERALLY blind selling everything.

[wheat bramble]

Is there any way I can sell for favor or can I only earn gold? I see same item being listed for different favor

[spice jungle]

Can i somehow search for items with t7 affix in my stash?

[delicate valley]

wdym 'only earn gold'? U dont get any favor for selling item, u just pay tax with favor to list it, u can list item for 0 gold, what some people do thinking its best way to farm rep

[wheat bramble]

Okey so I can't list for favor, only gold? Why does same item cost different amount of favor then?

[drowsy lichen]

Depending on how good the rolls are = how much better the items are

[dense panther]

Can I gift gold to a friend

[wheat bramble]

Yea but why does same item with same legendary potential cost different amount of favor? Makes no sense?

[delicate valley]

maybe its because of legendary potential?

[drowsy lichen]

No @dense panther

As i said, just cuz it has the same LP doesnt mean it has the same ROLLS on the affexis @wheat bramble

[wheat bramble]

Ahh okey makes sense, thanks for helping out!

[drowsy lichen]

No problemo friend

#make me a merchants guild MoD LEZ go 😄

[modest rover]

huh??

[grizzled dove]

are there Ulkherios+ lp items in merchant atm?

[mossy grotto]

You need to be lvl 10 with merchand guild to buy a legendary ring

[nimble drift]

has anyone made a good high value filter

[mossy jackal]

I'm looking for great fire damage minion damage damage over time and other specs for a fire minion build

[jagged hedge]

Hey guys, please, does anyone know if having like Rank 4 or higher in one faction and then change to the other faction and them come back to the original faction, what would I lose from the first faction ? (favor, reputation, ranks, prophecies...)

[drowsy lichen]

you loose nothing! only the time put into another faction

[jagged hedge]

tyvm 🙂

[runic geyser]

How do I put an item up for sale at a higher price than I'm being offered? I mean favor price

[nimble drift]

why do you want them to pay more favour????

[drowsy lichen]

That makes no sense my man! literally put whatevery price you want on an item with the PRICE option

[modern abyss]

favor is fixed, it's like a tax you pay when you buy something

[runic geyser]

I understand. But when I buy an item from a player, it costs there say 50k gold and 1300 favor. I have the same thing, why can't I put 1200 favor for it and say 45k gold? I don't understand something?

[tropic patio]

brother, favour is based on item rarity

[delicate valley]

because favor is a tax, not a currency players will give / take for every purchase, favor is going to the void, not to seller

[drowsy lichen]

Bud! just FORGET about the favour. list items you want to sell for the price you want. think about favour as TAX

[modern abyss]

that's it right here, the rarer the item the more favor (tax) you'll pay.

don't think about it too much, I think I understand what you're trying to do, but favor goes to the guild, not to you.

[runic geyser]

Understand, then when player buy my item, I only get only money (gold)? But Favour Tax, that he's paying to buy this thing, I don't get it, right? But he'll lose it. Right?

[tropic patio]

exactly

[delicate valley]

yes, its just probably something to prevent botting, requires from u to actually play the game to use trade

btw anyone who thought that every item type have to have different npc is probably some sadist

[tropic patio]

agreed. Its odd, sounds like the type of thing that would get negative feedback during playtesting...

[barren gust]

guys whats the LP chance for lightless harbor vs high corruption? Which is better for LP

[latent tulip]

is it worth doing merchants, or is it gutted due to them trying to combat rmt

[delicate valley]

yeah my brain isn't braining when i see that much icons on minimap, wandering 2 mins just to find ring npc

[spice jungle]

Guess not?

[tropic patio]

its very different from cof. Its okay i guess, but could be much better. If you are okay with both playstyles (ssf vs trading) i'd say to stick with cof

[wet zinc]

is there a fast way for my lvl16 alt to get to the bazaar?

[compact patio]

Party with someone and teleport to him

[wet zinc]

oh cool, is any1 at the bazaar right now?^^

[wanton cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1010201900987199590/1212125220991934584/image.png?ex=65f0b294&is=65de3d94&hm=1be6b01027781e3c1eb6cf00298d481e69a19c36e88b94a56af84ea433bee62e&
How much is this worth?

[compact patio]

Maaan trade is so bad. I just level to 98 and got rank 8, bought my build defining gloves 3LP with max roll and exalted gloves with perfect T7, and almost perfect T6 rolls for my build and smashed it. My skill damage tooltip increased by 35%. I wish I was CoH so I would never get gloves like this in my life. Time to smash shield.

[tropic patio]

you are annoyed cause you did trade...with the trade faction?

[latent heron]

Is the merchant guild better for casual play than CoF?

[wanton cairn]

Trading is op lmao

[compact patio]

not according to redditors

[tiny spire]

CoF is really good but if you're playing casually I'd choose mg

[north star]

Trading reduce at least 40% to 50% of time invested searching for items in a drop way.

[wanton cairn]

Dunno, twice the loot looks flashy, but its still RNG. And you have to look trough all of the loot too

With merchants you just farm gold and get exactly what you need

[small needle]

It's so op bc of arbitrary restrictions to supply/demand that will do almost nothing to prevent rmt/etc. to anyone dissatisfied with current state of MG, try CoF its a mechanic not designed by people who dislike it, far more fun so far

[tiny spire]

Yeah it's nice for casual play if you just need a few items for your build to work, people who follow build guides and such makes it far easier to play
CoF is basically poe's SSF, it's more try hard in my opinion

[north star]

as well as taking away all the merit and fun of getting a super item by your own hands (or maybe your own luck?)

[latent heron]

Ah okay thanks, this game is already so much more complicated than I expected so I just am not trying to worry about these too much. Literally can’t even figure out if a crucial build interaction is working or not so I don’t have the ability to figure out how these work or not

[north star]

I generally choose MG to reach a plausible endgame build, and switch to CoF trying to reach a BIS build.

[daring quest]

Except what you buy in MG can't be used when you switch to CoF

[north star]

I meant "to see what is best to use in end game"

[celest mortar]

are there any limits on number of items or time listed?

[wary pier]

Can anyone recommend a strict endgame trade focused filter? The one I'm running now is making me a good amount of gold but I'm getting about twice as many items than I can post before I run out of favor

[frozen rune]

99% of them didnt play beta

[compact patio]

True, I just killed Jurla T4 because how powerful items I was able to buy. I really hope they won’t dumb down trade so it will be even easier

[frozen rune]

yeah i got lucky with ravenous void drop, sold them and got like 3 uniques for my toon and still have leftover gold, it would take me like at least 10 hours or so to get them in beta

[true bridge]

Any sense of what lvl you will be for rank 8? Hit 7 and trying to decide if to wait on upgrades or not

[frozen rune]

maybe even more since i was always unlucky with twisted heart drop and i once didnt drop frostbite shackles for like 20 fights.

[compact patio]

It depends how high level corruption you are farming. I got to it at 98level. This game was not designed with trade in mind, it’s to easy with it

[true bridge]

Ty! Hear that.

[upbeat jackal]

Why are people just selling thing for 0gold is there reason for this?

[shadow pagoda]

for the favor

[compact patio]

Because they don’t understand mechanic. You get rep by spending favour. You do t need to sell item

[left spear]

People should stop doing the 0 gold thing the favor gets applied to your rep at time of listing not when the item gets bougth

[upbeat jackal]

so if i sell something for just favour do you get favour back?

[left spear]

It only benefitted those that reach the level 8 in a couple of days - you gave them your LP2+ items for 0 gold - you could have gotten gold out of them

[upbeat jackal]

Mann..So confusing xD

[left spear]

In short, you spend Favor (buying/listing/gambling) it immediately gets applied to your rep XP - there's nothing else going on

[upbeat jackal]

Ahh ok so if i list somthing an its sell i get more Rep xp?

[left spear]

No you only get rep XP from listing that's it, what happens after doesn't matter, you can list and delist immediately and you'll have earn rep XP and spent the Favor - you never get Favor back from doing this

[compact patio]

No you don’t get more for selling, it’s easy system. You spend favour you get rep

[left spear]

Think of all the sweat lords that made bank from grinding around the clock and gotten really good items for free

[upbeat jackal]

Ok, thanks think i get....appericate it.

[wanton bear]

market is becoming empty of good exalted items. May have to swap to CoF

[left spear]

The window is closing - I'm at level 7 which is probably where most folks are at, at the moment, 2 days ago exalted were at 0g, today they cost way more

[civic folio]

any way to estimate price of an item to list?

[left spear]

Nope - you'll have to find comparable items and decide if you want to undercut, post at the same price - there's also no easy access to tribal knowledge on this - I'm a brand new player and I don't know outside of what I'm currently playing what is valuable - others have been playing for years at this point and have a sixth sense

[compact patio]

Everything is stabilizing a bit, what’s the point of swapping if you can’t use your gear now ?

[wanton bear]

I can use my gear. I kept self found gear specifically for swapping.

[civic folio]

do i have to start over rep if i swap factions?

[left spear]

I expect MG to get flooded with items - give it at least another 1-2 weeks and only the BiS will be in limited supply and there'll lots of "almost BiS" items to buy

[left spear]

Not only do you start the rep fresh on that faction (note that your MG rep remains if you swap back) but you also cannot use any items acquired through MG, so you might be naked on switching if you took all your gear from the MG

[wanton bear]

And it's not about stabalizing. It's like the whole point of there being trade is so you can grab what you want. And unfortunately there is a serious lack of good exalted items. Trade basically becoming only good for high LP items. With LE having serious item sinks and the inability to relist items, market isn't likely to improve with more people reaching 7+

[civic folio]

so i rep up MG, swap to cof, later i can come back to MG and use MG's items?>
im trying out to see which faction suits me, if swapping reserves rep and levels thats good

[wanton bear]

it reserves rep, but not favour. so use all your favour before swapping.

[civic folio]

okk thanks

[compact patio]

What build are you playing ? I was able to get double exalted items for me same as yesterday

[wanton bear]

Frost claws. The main issue is generic items. Though it is true T7 + level of frost claw on a relic has like only 1 in all of trade. Even T6+ there were only 3 lol

[vast shell]

Is it possible to filter item by stats for unique item ? only want to see high rolled stats item

[scenic venture]

anyone wish they would've went CoF instead?

[wanton bear]

Why wish you would? just swap?

[compact patio]

Never in my life, traders life is so easy. I beat my beta characters in a week

[wanton bear]

yeah. Trade was very good. But if you didn't make it to Rank 7+ early, you're gonna suffer now as more ppl reach that rank lol

[boreal mango]

you could get almost bis items at rank 1 mg lol

[pliant oar]

so its waste switching from CoF now? im nearly rank 8 but so unlucky didnt got single item so far which i wanted 😄

[compact patio]

I think you eggaerate a lot, trade still better than ssf

[wanton bear]

Idk. I just know it's not ideal for me anymore. Or at least it isn't meeting my expectations. If I can't get a T7 on a specific base, there is an issue with trade from my pov.

And ideally there would be a way larger supply. Where I could actually pick a better crafting position by paying more.

[jagged sonnet]

yhe trade is pointles if you cant get Rank 7 and by the time you get rank 7 you prbl alrd dropt the item you want

[scenic venture]

just went MG. quick way to get favor? lol

[pliant oar]

dang i need some cheese build which doesnt require much gear before i swap because all my gear is currently CoF locked 😄

[wanton bear]

That's why I started trade. It is easier to swap from.