Increased vulnerability jumpingmoving while shooting

[ashen mountain]

you mean, increase spread or decrease maneuverability while jumping?

[sonic kiln]

Like increase damage taken while jumping or just whatever makes jumping less encouraging to do unless you have to get onto something like a platform

[ashen mountain]

many games (like cod or overwatch) discourage jump spamming by making it continue the inertia from before the jump to make the movement very limited and predictable, I agree with the idea of kangaroo pvp being goofy but I don't think increased damage while jumping is the right way to do it as it would be awful with the games current desync

[sonic kiln]

Also noticed they move from left to right also which needs to be reduced

[carmine compass]

Jumping is like...a big part of the game. I don't want that to go

[ashen mountain]

you could also lose speed upon landing from a jump but that would be too invasive

[sonic kiln]

I'm not saying it needs to go completely
It's just needs to be less enough to be spammed while shooting
Like you could infinitely jump and shoot continuesly like they people here tell you that it makes you harder to hit
It's not true bc if someone has just as good accuracy as you they can kill you like pigeons in the sky

And moving left and right also while jumping

[ashen mountain]

desync is also a large part of the game, but that needs to go. i understand that its important and I agree I just feel it needs to be balanced better

[sonic kiln]

Yeah photon is right about all this

Still that is why the title is called it
Like I know jump spam can be reduced easily
Even I don't want jump to go but there has to be a way to even encourage the top players in ps3d to not jump like a bunch of kangaroos while shooting
Most games do not allow jump shoot spam as I would call it
Like maybe have it to where you must land completely before you make the next jump like almost a cooldown type mechanic so you can't really jump spam infinitely like most ogs do today

[dusty shale]

imo, it would be an interesting feature that would make aiming more important (since you wouldn't be able to dodge that easily anymore), but at the same time, like @carmine compass said, jumping kinda makes it unique

I think it should be an experimental update (added temporarily) to see if the players and creators will like it

[burnt zephyr]

ddamn this is probably the most braindead suggestion ive seen

how you gonna ask people to play worse then they can just for ur comfort? bro just practice

fast pace movemend is what makes a game like this fun. alot of people would quit if u couldnt bhop around no more

[remote peak]

if this game didn’t have the “kangaroo jump” or whatever you can it it’s movement would be basic and boring making the game basic and boring

[remote peak]

i finally agree with something you said

[burnt zephyr]

if u had the perspective to fully grasp what ive been saying u wouldve agreed with everything i said

[ashen mountain]

many games have advanced and interesting movement without kangaroo combat, cod moment is still very advanced

[ashen mountain]

its not that I can't do it or deal with it, it's just boring

I would suggest to make it an actual bhop (jumping within the first 2/3 frames upon hitting the ground) but then macro kids would be everywhere

I feel by giving the player inerta it could really help the jump be an integral part of combat without it being a requirement to win a gunfight

[remote peak]

like crouching which would be weird you can’t compare this game to other games which are way more advanced

[sonic kiln]

Crouching is a different story
Jumping is not
Crouching will not exist in ps3d
But the jumping around shooting needs to be reduced or managed

[remote peak]

idk what your talking about he said that other games have advanced and interesting movements and i said like crouching that’s probably the only other thing they have that pixel strike doesn’t have

i don’t think you read my message to comprehend it kuz i said crouching in this game would be weird

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[sonic kiln]

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[remote peak]

the point is without the jumping mechanic that this game has it would be a boring boots on the ground basic game if you reduce the jumping it just makes it easier to kill with the faster ttk and then reduced movement this game is going to suck

[sonic kiln]

Still needs to be reduced somehow by having a jump cooldown like landing completely before the next jump and discourage others to not jump infinitely
You don't have to jump around shooting this get gud in this game
Like I mentioned before
If I can kill while moving around anyone can

[remote peak]

if i can kill people that jump around like mad men without a problem you can too

[sonic kiln]

Not gonna argue about this
It's not a skill issue and it's just a saying that isn't true
Jumping around while shooting DOES NOT make you harder to hit
Managed to kill a few players who can spam jump and spray

[remote peak]

so what’s the problem?? if it doesn’t make them harder to hit how does it get annoying ? are you tired of having to AIM? is that the problem

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[sonic kiln]

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[remote peak]

your basically saying because you play boots in the ground kuz you don’t want to adapt you want everybody to do the same which will never happen that’s like saying i only use a pistol why is it so hard for everybody else to use a pistol if i can do it everybody can it’s annoying when people don’t use pistols

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[sonic kiln]

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[remote peak]

say i’m wrong

[sonic kiln]

Actually using a pistol is not hard to do but jumping around it shooting it and seeing the methods that has corrupted other players to do it too
Just reduce this jump
It's pretty simple
It's not going to be completely removed
Need to encourage people to start being in the ground more like in most fps games

You can jump around and shooting it needs to be more fair to those who are on ground mostly

That's how ps3d was since the beginning

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[remote peak]

it’s not about the pistols and your just proving my point more you play a certain way and want things to be easier on you kuz you don’t want to adapt so you want the mechanic in mention to be nerfed because you don’t want to adapt or can’t adapt

[sonic kiln]

More like easier for those who are not jumper shooters

[remote peak]

you chose to play that way no one is making you if you chose to play with basic movement don’t try to punish those with better movement then you by trying to nerf movements because you don’t want to adapt

that’s like saying when i shoot i stop moving completely and since other people move when they shoot thats unfair to me because i choose to stop moving when i shoot this is unfair i want movement to be patched so we are all on even playing fields but in reality it will never be that way your just going to have to adapt

[sonic kiln]

How many times must i say this
This is all not about me and my willingness to adapt to this mechanic
It's others who could be new and don't want to be obliterated by high tier clan members who are the main reason why the jump shoot spam exists in the game
I am not the only one who says otherwise

[remote peak]

nobody is good at any game when their new cod, apex, etc but like any game they will adapt and get better

[ashen mountain]

maybe the jump spam meta is boring and stupid to play against

[remote peak]

but we’re talking about you kuz your the one who said “if i play boot on the ground everybody else can too”

[remote peak]

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[sonic kiln]

Yeah I did say that
Why can't you guys do it then

[ashen mountain]

im genuinely better than you

[remote peak]

because nobody is going to stop playing better because you want them too

[ashen mountain]

agreed, thats why he made the post to get it changed

[remote peak]

see that’s the problem because he can’t make ppl stop being better then him he is going to ask the devs to force them to stop

[sonic kiln]

Just reduce the jumps and make the vulnerability as if you are on the ground
I've seen enough of this

https://tenor.com/view/very-simple-uncomplicated-easy-plain-clearly-gif-13018896

[ashen mountain]

or maybe he just finds jump spamming boring, like i do, if it was more complicated like in krunker it wouldnt be as bad cuz it would genuinely be a skill thing but just pressing space when you hit the ground isnt difficult

[remote peak]

if you can’t see that , that’s an issue that you have to deal with on your own and that , that request is absolutely ridiculous then that’s on you anybody with common sense can see you just want it to be easier for you because you play a certain way

[ashen mountain]

i play the jump spam meta, its just dull

[sonic kiln]

That is true
It does get boring and we already got TTK and gun buffs the only thing that needs to be fixed is the jumping around shooting like a kangaroo and have a way of having you must land completely before making the next jump

[remote peak]

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didn’t mean to reply to that exact message but i’ll let somebody else handle this 😂

[sonic kiln]

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[ashen mountain]

i feel they just need to make the bhop a timed thing, so 5 frames (at 60fps) after hitting the ground you wont lose out on speed but if you miss the timing you lose a small portion of speed

[sonic kiln]

Agreed so it would not let you bhop all over the place
That I can safely agree with
Or have a full land on ground before the next jump

[ashen mountain]

i mean it kinda would but only if you're good

[remote peak]

see your changing the goal post on your side because someone came to help you because at first you said it should be changed because you play one way and you don’t want to deal with people playing another way because it’s harder for you

[sonic kiln]

Then I'll change the post due to how many times you have said this
It's like you are wanting me to change it fr

[thorny sphinx]

@sonic kiln has leveled up! (19 ➜ 20)

[remote peak]

“if i can do it so can other” “more fair to those who are boots on the ground” “more easier for those who aren’t jumper shooters”

[sonic kiln]

Right I did not say this all to be straight self centered this needs to be more fair with this bhop shoot method

[remote peak]

all things you said i don’t care if you change it at all it’s the point you made a suggestion because this mechanic is hard for you to deal with and you want it changed kuz you don’t play that way don’t make it seem like oh it’s dull because somebody else said it because that’s not what you said

[sonic kiln]

Exactly
Needs to be fair for others
I can't stop thinking instead of ps3d it's
Bh3d

[remote peak]

so is it dull or unfair…

[sonic kiln]

Yea and definitely not a skill issue
I've already had that in the post for starters

[ashen mountain]

dull

[sonic kiln]

Will edit the post to not make it self centered

Instead make it sound more fair to all

[remote peak]

yeah what , my point is now you changing you arguments based off another persons pov he said it’s dull you agreed and said it’s boring but at first you said its about making it fair so with that logic it’s not about the mechanic being unfair it’s about the mechanic being annoying , boring , dull whatever you want to call it to you and whoever else feels this way but from what we can obviously see not everybody agrees with y’all pov so it’s really just opinions

[ashen mountain]

there isnt any skill in jump spamming, make there be some skill to it. thats it

[remote peak]

i want to hear your own opinion quinn

[sonic kiln]

So it was true that it does not make you harder to hit
People keep telling me like it's true

[remote peak]

don’t just repeat and agree like youve been doing dodging my points you made this argument

[sonic kiln]

When it's not you can still die midair

[thorny sphinx]

@remote peak has leveled up! (6 ➜ 7)

[remote peak]

so how is it unfair (which you said it was)

[ashen mountain]

i mean, jumping definitely makes it more difficult to hit people, thats one of the reasons i dont feel kangaroo gameplay is fun, it just makes braindead sprinting at stuff the meta

[remote peak]

if it doesn’t make it harder to kill it basically has no impact

[sonic kiln]

Unfair especially to new players who aren't jump shooters
Sometimes you just also be considerate of others who are like me killing those on the ground

[remote peak]

so your saying it doesn’t matter since it doesn’t make it harder to hit your target so what was the point of this argument aside from the opinion that “it’s boring “

[remote peak]

but you just said it doesn’t make it harder to hit your targets so how is it unfair 🤨

[ashen mountain]

its boring is still a valid opinion

[sonic kiln]

And probably a possible change that can do just as good as the ttk buffs

[remote peak]

but it’s exactly that an opinion and those with that same opinion is probably a smaller majority then those who don’t think it’s boring so. and opinion aren’t valid reasons for change

[sonic kiln]

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[remote peak]

you didn’t answer my question you said the jumping doesn’t make it harder to hit the target so how is it unfair

[ashen mountain]

suggestions are to see other peoples opinions on an idea, like my opinion that the ttk buffes are stupid. suggestions are only there to see if the majority of people agree, so far its been pretty even between people who agree and who dont

[remote peak]

ah you got time there that is true

[sonic kiln]

It's unfair because if you are not an accurate person like most players then how is one supposed to fight a player who is bunny hopping shooting around like a kangaroo
Like ps3d never had jump spam in the first place
Ever since it came out people played with boots on ground

And I'm not the only one who has this opinion

[remote peak]

but you said it doesn’t make it harder to hit your target so the problem isn’t the jumping it’s their aim which sounds like a …. skill issue

[sonic kiln]

Not just aim
It's everything about it
You can move left to right pretty fast too doing it

[remote peak]

why does all that matter if you said it doesn’t make it harder to hit your target ? are you saying it does make it harder to hit your target

[sonic kiln]

No I said you are harder to hit if you are the one jumping around shooting like a kangaroo at other players
Which is not true
At least for me
And I did say I did kill and few who jumped around shooting so that is confirmed

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[remote peak]

you did huh ?

so you said it makes it harder huh doesn’t look like it right there

which one is it

[sonic kiln]

Anomaly stop I'm closing this post now bc you are basically trying to seek attention and argue over and over trying to get more out of this topic when I already said it several times already

[remote peak]

no i’m just trying to show you the holes in the points your making

[sonic kiln]

Should have said it in first place bc it sounds like you are trying to find a loophole into thinking it's a skill issue and I'm not buying those types of excuses

[remote peak]

you say it doesn’t make it harder to shoot your target then how is it unfair for anybody if it doesn’t make it harder to kill the opponents which is the only main objective im not trying to argue nor seek attention but when you open a suggestion you gotta be ready for the different opinions and thoughts that come with it

your just not comprehending what i’m saying so you see it as me trying to argue or seek attention but im actually making a valid point that you can’t argue because there’s no argument to be made against it

[sonic kiln]

But when people hate it
It only makes me mad after all I've done to be fair in this game
I dont want this game to be all about me
Instead turning these self centered changes into everyone and be fair about it type thing

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[remote peak]

your still missing the point how is it unfair if you said it doesn’t make it harder to hit targets im going off what you said not everybody else , everybody else isn’t in here arguing the point

but i understand what your saying i have the whole time it’s just that it’s a lot of holes in your argument as well which can be abused

[sonic kiln]

And that is why only I could redo this and edit the point I missed during this
It's actually a good idea balance is what we need in ps3d
Want every person no matter how good you are to experience the same in ps3d

[remote peak]

no i don’t agree i haven’t agreed this whole time 😂 just because your not as good as me i should be punished no but like i said i get what your saying

[ebon gale]

Hell no, jump-shooting has become a part of the game's core identity. The developers even introduced an auto-jump option for mobiles this update

[remote peak]

you can experience the same thing it’s not like the mechanic is locked to a certain type of people

[cyan relic]

Jump shooting makes this game unique and different from all the pixel shooters

[remote peak]

[sonic kiln]

Then answer my question
Why can't you kill on ground
Why is it so hard
Jumping needs to be balanced and reduced
It can still be a feature but it will not and never be abused when shooting

[remote peak]

why can’t you adapt and play like everybody else like the old saying goes if you can’t beat em join em

[ebon gale]

"Why can't you kill on ground", what do you even mean with that?

[sonic kiln]

I can, been doing it since the beginning
Hold on like why can't you,asela,kill on the ground instead of jumping around doing so

[ebon gale]

Yeah but I don't understand what it means

[remote peak]

responded to the wrong message so what’s the problem if it doesn’t make it harder to hit the target and it’s easy enough for everybody to do what’s the problem how is it unfair

your basically just saying everyone should be limited to play how you choose to play because you have chosen to play that way

[ebon gale]

The reason why people jump shoot is because it gives them a greater advantage, similar to how mobiles go from using default settings to claw. Can't beat them? Join them.

Nerfing jump shooting would essentially make the game not worth playing.

[remote peak]

lmao i was finna let him keep saying it doesn’t make a difference

[sonic kiln]

And people don't play claw and they're interests matter
Don't like it???
Then why say it

[cyan relic]

It would make it the same as all the competitors

[remote peak]

exactly it would be basic and boring like i’ve said atleast 3 times already

[remote peak]

so because they chose not to play with a play style that would make them better , people who do choose to adapt and get better should be punished ?

[ebon gale]

With all due respect, I have absolutely no idea what you just said. I don't understand why you think jump shooting is a problem to begin with.

[sonic kiln]

It's a problem bc it can be abused like heck and has already taken it's toll
Just like the one game long ago had it's main feature almost obliterated bc of the abuse
That three cat spam thingy back in pg3d

[remote peak]

i don’t think it’s abused i just think people say it’s abused because they can’t handle it

[sonic kiln]

Jumping over and over shooting like a kangaroo
You guys don't see this as abuse???

[ebon gale]

You're the only person I have seen complaining about jump shooting. No one has ever called it a problem before because it isn't.

[ebon gale]

Absolutely not.

[sonic kiln]

Well it's no wonder why people have quit already bc I'm going to be next
I'm tired of this
I've had to deal with it seeing people abuse it like flies thinking the things like you are harder to hit and false stuff they put into your head
Call of duty and most pixelated shooters never had jump spam while shooting and needs to be reduced badly like you must land on the ground before jumping again and reduce movement while jumping so you can't dodge left and right
If TTK buffs was allowed even most don't like it
What makes this any different
Bc faster killing was never part of the game
Until it was added despite not many people liking it

[remote peak]

crazy thing is you say you do it but sound like can’t handle it which just throws me for a spin

[sonic kiln]

It's not a skill issue
It's the stupidity and abuse this has gone into the history of ps3d with jumping around

[cyan relic]

Stupidity?

[ebon gale]

It is by many definitions a skill related issue.

[sonic kiln]

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[remote peak]

[ebon gale]

Then why won't you just adapt?

[sonic kiln]

Because it's all lies

[full stream]

no. it’s the only way to survive.

[ebon gale]

Lies? You don't even make sense.

[sonic kiln]

I can survive better while on the ground why can't you all do it
Jumping around shooting makes you vulnerable like pigeons in the sky
No wonder why I've killed a few doing it

[cyan relic]

My kd got beter since I started to do it

[sonic kiln]

Lies as in the stuff people put into my head like you will be harder to hit and stuff and survive better
All this is false even I tried it with good accuracy

[ebon gale]

Then why are you complaining if jump-shooting is making us more vulnerable? That should dismiss any of your claims to nerf it

[sonic kiln]

Not me I've gotten worse for almost a year and still going doing it

[cyan relic]

Thats your issue then

[remote peak]

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[remote peak]

if you survive better in the ground that gives you an advantage over us so why complain and why can’t you jump around like a mad man we survive better doing that

[ebon gale]

Sounds like a you problem.

Exactly. He's contradicting himself.

[remote peak]

been doing that , but i just wanted to get a deeper view on his argument

[sonic kiln]

lol