Make force-guarding a structure you can bump on (or that's moving away from you) not do damage

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I know... I know... but imagine the possibilities. It means that guardamant and/or gubborn is no longer required for nearly as many guard techniques and it means that you can do stuff like escape bloodbends much more easily, which isn't something you can really do otherwise. Also, it makes no sense for a shield to damage you if you use it to hit something that doesn't break and doesn't move. What is this, blood magic? I just feel like it makes sense to integrate this into the game both lorewise and mechanics wise.

easy way to implement this: add a dot product check :3

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im confused

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currently if you force guard a grounded wall it deals 5 damage, no? that makes no sense to me

should deal none even if it is put in hitstop, kinda like a ricochet but for guard

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shoudnt it deal 3?

its 3 base value + 1 (grounded) - 1 (guard reduction)

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4 sorry. no not 3 cuz its 4 base + 1 grounded - 1 guard

[wheat iris]

idk why i said 4 base i meant 3 base + grounded

but its 3 dmg right

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wait

oh yeah you're right 😭

3dmg is still a lot tho

[wheat iris]

what if guard -2 for self hits

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i wouldn't do 2dmg even for a cool phase
i just think this makes the most sense

like you shouldn't take damage from bumping a non-moving object with a shield

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also i disagree with myself even tho its been only a minute because this complicates things

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my only thing is would you still get a adamant/surge proc

from it

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you can already adamant proc for 0 using stub, why not guard too

surge is more of a problem though yeah

maybe just say it doesn't work on 0dmg hits?

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so you wouldnt be able to adamant/surge on force guards?

-# im so confuseddd :(

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wait

isn't this already a problem though?

cuz you can force guard on discs

[wheat iris]

wdym by problem im so confused 😭

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im you can already force proc adamant/surge

[wheat iris]

you can

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ig it's a much reduced effect

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with this you would be able to get a full 4 dmg duration surge/adamant proc is why i was asking

if it did no dmg

-# i think??!?!?

[wheat iris]

which should be 8 seconds according to the wiki

for free

basically

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hm

make force guard just not proc them then?

[wheat iris]

honestly it sounds kinda funny

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it does actually

[wheat iris]

PUT IT IN THE GAME NOW!!!!

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LMAO

[wheat iris]

yeah but that would stop you from doing a force guard cube with adamant which is smth u can already do in the game

i need someone thats more experienced with guard to give their opinion on this

im not smart enough

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just do cSu.ug

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is that supposed to be a lowercase g?

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oh yeah

sorry i have notatia

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like hooking the cube and guarding it?

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yeah

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GUARD TECH IS SO CONFUSING :(((

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or even simpler cDg

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but then its moving so it gets a +1 no

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see above

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thats a force guard no?

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no cuz you're moving toward it so it doesn't get reduced

force guard is standing in front of something and waving your hands at it to guard it

[wheat iris]

im aware

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also itd have to be cPPDg

(the first parry to unground then the second parry to unparry since parry gives +1 now)

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you could cPUuuDg and it would be slightly faster I think

and still not be going fast enough to proc the +1 movement penalty

or cPH!Dg !move it towards you

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i like this idea more

just give them free infinite surge or adamant

what could go wrong

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