This one will be controversial: SEPARATE MODIFIER COOLDOWN TIMERS FOR EACH HAND

[idle thunder]

I know I know... y'all are gonna be
"but Dr. Rock, then ppl will be able to do dSS or wSSUUKK and that should be illegal"
but hear me out: If you are able to go from one hand to another... I'm talking a solid ambidexterity... you should be rewarded with big punches and therefore bigger faster rocks flying towards your opponent.
I wanna see new white belts hitting each other with them "pillar one-twos" (pSS)

...
Ok jokes aside I'm curious to know what you all think and what would be the potential repercussions: this could change gameplay and the whole meta quite a bit, but I don't think this would be necessarily a bad thing (we've had dSS before) and I wonder if it would be more fun this way. Logically, it would make sense that each hand has a separate timer.
And, lastly, it would move the meta towards a more martial behavior (e.g. going from prioritizing cHSU to something like cSSU)

[frozen root]

ah, so you could do SS

imo, no

[outer bobcat]

I dont think it would change meta considerably

But I dont think it would be fum for newer players

Make that part of the gamemode update as a side gamemode

[proud solar]

I like this a lot. SS is the only meaningful change to the meta here and fixes a lot of the annoyances in higher level play around hold jank while buffing reactivity. I think this is a surprisingly non-game-breaking idea that actually adds some real vitality to the game

[idle thunder]

I think you’d like this @peak parcel @ruby edge

[outer bobcat]

Ambidextrous to oomph hitcombos means less summonings

So it kinda balances out

[gloomy blade]

This sound like it would break my already so-so wrists

[frozen root]

but limiting shiftstones to the side they're equipped?
that sounds peak
-# /hj

[idle thunder]

I thought the opposite! I can put my SUK attempts to rest and just do my solid boxing jabs and add an uppercut at the end of the second XD

[idle thunder]

DOUBLE CHARGE WHEN?!

[idle thunder]

But then volatile become OP (because no side)

Not fair >>>>>>:(

[gloomy blade]

I guess swings and roundabouts 🙂 learn opposite side kick for SUK if you haven’t already, Yogev told me to use it to not injure my wrists

[frozen root]

whoops, all cornbread

[frozen root]

-# then they make explode a handed move.

[idle thunder]

I forgot about it’

@fast coral do you like cornbread? 👀
-# just curious, not a bribe at all I swear👀

[west stirrup]

Why is your S slanted

[broken oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170829262064992386/1280594520718966885/togif.gif

[frozen root]

1. bc slanted means "done with other hand"
2. bc he used * around a word like this: *hi* which does this: hi

[open bone]

Interesting

[west stirrup]

Wow

Never knew that

[west stirrup]

So the example would be making a wall and then a cube, struppercutting the cube, dash jump flick the wall, (I’m guessing flying?)

Or maybe just grabbing the wall and slapping ur opponent

Planing to get 400 bp today before school starts

Dam

Star tests are next week

[frozen root]

ooohhh the example at the bottom?
yeah, it's a flick flail.
if it were flight it would end in "M" for mount

-# or "B" for bump

[open bone]

Yeah an alley oop

[limber orchid]

This could be interesting, but this probably should be a side mode at first to get it tested

[west stirrup]

Like maybe after the park only, if they see players railgunning walls with sssss, then they would just keep it in park.

Or maybe just nerf the amount of force the next modifier on the other hand does

Like a straight would do 100% of its force, but on the other hand after the first straight, it would do like 50 or 75%. And keep going down

Infact, they could make it that the next straight after the first one would only do 25% of originals power, but the wall stops for a split second after the second straight so you can do a sss

And if you change moves on the other hand

Like straight right hand and kick left hand?

Then the kick would still be 100% power

But after the second hit, it ALWAYS, stop for a split second so you can increase the combo

Like a max of 4 hits

It’s giving AFQM

[broken oriole]

so combo scaling?

[west stirrup]

Upper cut straight (both on right hand) then kick straight (on the left hand) USleftKS

[west stirrup]

Yup

But if you use the same move in a row

It does less force

Or maybe if you do the same move in a combo?

Like USrightKSleft, the last straight would only do 75% of force

I like that one better

So people can’t just go, straight kick straight kick and do a railgun

Without any setup

Shiiii I love this idea

Imagine having an after image on your hand after starting a hit combo

Like straight, and then when you switch to your left hand and do kick, you hand would have an after image

Got me looking like flash

Yomi hustle flashbacks

So people would be forced to use their un-dominant hand

Fixing the left handed problem in the process

[broken oriole]

USKS

[west stirrup]

Yuhhhh

[sour blade]

People care too much about large changes to gameplay while also wanting new features. This would be a sick change that would open up so many more possibilities. At minimum a shift stone for this would be epic

[frozen root]

🤔

as a shiftstone... that might work...

-# then combine the less power suggestion with https://discord.com/channels/362905006275297290/1483312451557654699

:)

any chance I get to suggest the silly is a good opportunity.

[idle thunder]

I personally think this should be a feature rather than a stone, simply because it makes sense: it is faster/sensible to do jab-cross than jab-jab (aka SS vs SS in rumble)

But I’m not biased at all I don’t even like who posted this suggestion Dr. Rock who even is this guy?!
-# /j

[sour blade]

True but i think there would be too many people against it so at minimum a shiftstone would be nice but i would prefer base kit

[idle thunder]

I bet ppl wouldn’t even notice it at first ahahaha

[idle thunder]

I do agree doe

I honestly think if the devs do it, there would be pushback, but likely no more than what we always get with every update

-# cough cough I just baked a fresh batch of cornbread cough cough @fast coral

[limber orchid]

I mainly want this because of a chambering move I already use has using S and S being the most ergonomic way to do it

[idle thunder]

I’ll be waiting for the day you post it in tech at Community of Cornbread

[limber orchid]

I think the notation is bH1dbS3S1

[wide yarrow]

I'm downvoting this only because i don't wanna learn even crazier hitcombos

[frozen root]

lol

[wide yarrow]

leave it at UKSUEK man

im tired

or UKSKUE

or dSUEK

[frozen root]

but UUKKSSUUEKK

[wide yarrow]

my arms genuinely started hurting when i wrote that

proactive phantom pain or something

[fierce meteor]

love this idea, I've seen it floating around for a while and it sounds awesome

also, bobo's suggestion of it being an alternate gamemode sounds like a perfect way to incorporate it

[idle thunder]

We gonna get a beta to test it out and we’ll love it and @wide yarrow will just have to accept it

[sweet rampart]

Since general is on something else

Im pretty sure people can do ball straight left upper, havent seen it much since lack of ambi players

[idle thunder]

Exactly why I’d be curious if people would start doing bSS

Might not be worth it

Compared to BSE or getting into summoning another structure

[sweet rampart]

Itd be worth it for the pressure, speed of speed disk with 2dmg, itd be very poteny

[sweet rampart]

Ball explode straight straight

[idle thunder]

I honestly am so excited about this idea
It would change the meta a bit, but I still think pace would beat double straight combos
But it would add variety
And I honestly think it would promote healthier behaviors (going from single handed combos to alternating combos)

I am actually wondering if the devs had a particular reason to not do this
Simplicity? Or is there a good reason not to do this?

@pearl pecan what’s your reason👀

[broken oriole]

dSS would DEFINITELY exist

[sweet rampart]

I do think this would beat high pace simply because of the speed advantage of higher value structures, such as wall straight straight gaining ground much faster than normal

[idle thunder]

Imagine dSSJ🤣

[broken oriole]

i think thats just suicide on ring

[idle thunder]

I see

Charge players deserve wHSS

[sweet rampart]

Wouldnt be much different, the friction youd get from switching hands would have died down by the time you do the 2nd straight and jump

As in from moving, u need to jump fast so the ground friction doesnt kill ur momentum

[broken oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759667248394272791/1476622266115686667/ssstwitter.com_1772124453790-ezgif.com-resize.gif

im so fucked

[idle thunder]

Also @wide yarrow you could totally pull bSSEKK just sayan

[broken oriole]

would a double hook be possible?

-# i mean it would probably depend on the ping right?

[sweet rampart]

Maybe but not much reason to

For aerial redirection sure, but normal straight could work for that

[idle thunder]

@cedar solar could find a reason🤩

[wide yarrow]

My arms

[open bone]

dSJS

[sweet rampart]

What? What the fuck is thay 2nd straight for, what are you even hitting

[open bone]

The disk?

If you do it quick enough you should be able to get extra kb

You can do dSJF

[sweet rampart]

No, disk is way too far away for you to hit that straight

[open bone]

Disagree

[broken oriole]

i mean im taking contagiouspows word for it but if you CAN hit dSJF you HAVE to be able to hit dSJS

no?

[open bone]

Theoretically at least

Gonna be a pain on the shoulders but probably possibly

[sweet rampart]

Maybe? Flick hitbox is more lenient tho it feels

And also the hand movements might be too much movement, jump flick isnt too hard, but straight jump straight is iffy

Left straight no less

[open bone]

If you did right handed jump your right hand would already be in position

[sweet rampart]

Not really, ur still moving both hands in tandem

But..honestly thats beside the point since normal disk jump isnt the greatest for movement

[pearl pecan]

I haven't thought about it all that much but I dont think it seems like a good idea on first impression

[proud solar]

The only big problem I could see is making stuff like CV/wES S ridiculously effective in the iron-silver skill bracket

There could definitely be a problem of too much long range chunk combat at the lower levels of skill but I’d almost say that’s good since it at least requires more intention than disc spam (considering that charge wall spam is certainly considered the lesser of the two evils there)

But in high level play I see it more as a viable mixup, mostly with SS since most other double hits aren’t a that important tbh

If someone could do SSU or SUS consistently maybe it’d become a problem but then you’re forgoing the usually very potent SUE which either slows you down considerably by forcing a pre-hitcombo explode OR eliminates your ability to suppress the opponent

I highly doubt anyone could consistently do HSUS or SUSE

[outer bobcat]

Just a reason for people to learn dE

[outer bobcat]

SSUE wouldnt be hard, but not needed either in a net 0 environment

[proud solar]

I’m not so sure. SUE has a tight enough window that I’m not sure the extra (substantial) arm movement from offhand straight would give enough to do E comfortably

Maybe it’d he like SKUE where it’s not really hard as much as it is painful if not perfectly optimized

And I’m pretty sure SUS is better than SSU

SUSE I could maybe see but that’s still pretty tight timing, and I think HSUSE is hitting some physiological limits if the H is actually speeding up the structure

Because if both straights are equally powerful then that wall is going fast and cubes would be even worse

It’s the same as a SUE but with a LOT more movement

[wide yarrow]

I disagree on the movement part

A good optimised SSUE has a not that much more movement then a SUEK

I don’t think it’ll show its head immediately but i think top levels would be capable of doing it in about a year

[proud solar]

SUEK is almost no movement tbh, SSUE is significantly more than that and imparts a LOT more speed

you can fit the entirety of SUEK in about twice the area your wrists can rotate without moving. SSUE is more like three times that area at least

it's a lot closer to SKUE but with a much shorter interval for the UE

[outer bobcat]

A year? Less than a month fo sure, assuming its worth doing

Also, first day SSUEK would get hit easily assuming anyone tried at all

[frozen root]

Counter point:
SSUUEKK

-# insert troll emoji

[open bone]

same trajectory as SUK

[frozen root]

But faster

And farther

[open bone]

no?

charge doubles it

[outer bobcat]

No, UU would be different than U, changing the overall arc and trajectory

The other inputs tho should apply the same

[frozen root]

-# I didn't notice your message was bolded

But yeah, being serious now, it would be different because of the time it takes to do it.
bSU is very different than b.SU
And b.SU varies a lot

[open bone]

fair

[sinful shale]

yes please

i want to UUKKSSUUKK with all my might

[fierce meteor]

The notation this would bring is alone terrifying

[placid crow]

I just imagine that one Street fighter mash move

https://tenor.com/view/street-fighter-capcom-honda-cammy-e-honda-gif-18866674

[wide yarrow]

Actually this is impossible

Sorry to break your bubble

[broken oriole]

nothings impossible

heh.

[wide yarrow]

Well actually this is

Not enough time for cooldowns to reset for the UUKK

[broken oriole]

rumblers will probably find a way i believe in them 😌

[outer bobcat]

...did you not read the post😭

[sour blade]

yeah but 2 uppercuts will put you out of range for when the second set of uppercuts is off cooldown, SSUUKK would be possible tho theoretically

[outer bobcat]

Oh I read SSUUKK on the reply mb

[wide yarrow]

Lol

[sinful shale]

iw how fast you could do things with this

i do really want this tho

WAIT

what if you made charge also paired to the hand?

like you can have two charges from left and right hold but left and right hold charges only work on left and right modifiers

[broken oriole]

make it so that charge only works on the hand its on but you can have two charge stones equipped

[exotic shell]

cHbHwSS

[sinful shale]

The Throngler

[soft herald]

why do people want double straight so bad 😭

[lyric shadow]

2 straight beat one straight

[frozen root]

I'm with you

-# but I will admit, the stupidity of SSUUEKK is just fun to think about.

[soft herald]

i think HSSU is probs the most possible

but like it'd be so game changing imo

[sinful shale]

but it would be game changing in a good way

up the skill ceiling even more

give a reason for learning swapped moves

[soft herald]

nah wHSS is not skilled

[sinful shale]

you have to learn ambidexterity

[soft herald]

Ambidexterity is easy 😭

[sinful shale]

no it isn't 😭

and i'm ambidextrous!!!

like IRL i can write with both left and right hand

but i cannot left SUK in rumble

[frozen root]

-# y'all know ambidexterusness is something that is usually only expressed in a couple skills right?

[soft herald]

I've been doing ambidexterous dashes for ages
Can do SU on either hand (just don't use left much) and Rts either hand

But all of those are much more then just SS
like wha

i'm right handed aswell xd

Lot's of players use their off hand for chip for example aswell

like it's realy not very hard for what it'd give you

[soft herald]

wha?

[frozen root]

people who are "ambidextrous"
usually only end up being able to use either hand for some fine motor skills, but not all.

the most common is writing for obvious reasons.
but in things like martial arts, sports, or others, there is still a preferred hand. usually.
some people are ambidextrous in those categories rather than writing.
I would assume dizzy that you might be one of those people, which would be pretty cool.

[sinful shale]

interestingly i have no dominant eye, which every archer i have ever met has said is impossible, then asked me to center my thumb on that post while looking at it and looked at me sideways when i said "which copy"

[frozen root]

XD

[sinful shale]

i do genuinely think that this would be a net win for this game

[broken oriole]

-# i dont wanna learn more hitcombos :(((((

[sinful shale]

you don't have to if you don't want to :3

[broken oriole]

i will have to if i wanna keep up

[sinful shale]

but also i think having ambi hitcombos makes them from pure fundamentals into a playstyle of their own

[frozen root]

different test then.
put your hands together and make a hole.
look through that hole at an object, slowly shrink that hole and move your hand closer to your face.

[sinful shale]

tried this one too, it's random because i'll focus in on one of the holes and ignore the other randomly each time

basically

i see two holes

and i have to choose one

consciously

[frozen root]

-# also, do people really not know that you can get two copies of an object in your vision? I would have assumed archers out of anyone would have known this

[broken oriole]

focus on the object and not the hole

[sinful shale]

i am

[frozen root]

that's the issue

because of how it works

they see two holes

[broken oriole]

i also see two holes but i can still tell that my dominant eye is my right eye if that makes sense?

[sinful shale]

idk it's random

[frozen root]

yeah, that used to be the case for me because I didn't have relize I could see two objects originally.
I eventually learned that and it's impossible for me to tell now.

[frozen root]

rq though, is the hole big enough for both of your eyes to see through before you bring it close to your face?

[sinful shale]

no but if it was i would still have the same problem

i can see a half-shaded copy when only one copy is present and fully shaded when they overlap

[frozen root]

I get that, but you should read my message for the test.
it's a little more active than I think you realize.
-# theoretically your brain should choose an image without conscious thought.

if you have to make a conscious choice, then the test can't work

-# but that also doesn't mean you don't have a dominent eye.

[broken oriole]

when you make the hole with ur hands which hole has the object in it

[frozen root]

that's the thing, you have to know where the object is to make that choice, and fox is saying they can choose which eye sees the object.

it's not hard

-# I just did it myself

the only way I think might work for fox is just to focus on their thumb and wait for one of the images to fade due to eye & brain fatigue

idk though

[broken oriole]

i think im too stupid for this conversation

[frozen root]

nah, some people just have the quirk of being able to see these things.
fox and I are prolly in a vast minority of people.

[broken oriole]

ngl all of this just reminded me of the bad apple but its magic eye video and i think im gonna go watch that again

[soft herald]

nah i'm right hand dominant in a lot of things, i can just use my left hand for things
For things like martial arts and sports you often need to be able to use both (In Taek i prefered to have my right leg infront, making my left my cross, even tho i'm better on my right)

i can write with my left, but it's bad (my handwritings always been realy bad tho)

I might be wrong, but i've always just looked at it as you can learn whichever hand you want for things

In rumble i was like "I wanna learn ambi rts" So just did, i don't realy use it cuz there's no benifit exept a few very niche situations

And with SU i've barely practiced on my left but it's the same theory as the right, so you can learn things on your off hand faster imo because you've already learnt the move you're just changing how u do it a bit

there's a few cases where i'm holding something with my right, so i just use my left to S/SU

[frozen root]

In rumble i was like "I wanna learn ambi rts" So just did, i don't realy use it cuz there's no benifit exept a few very niche situations

imo, those neiche situations are way too annoying to your opponent to discount.

-# the amount of times I've been confused by a left handed player smh

[sinful shale]

i just feel like this could open up a whole new avenue of rumble moves

ambi rumble could be a whole new skill level

and disrupting the meta isn't necessarily a bad thing

[frozen root]

yes and no.
I think some people can.
not everyone though. most think it's a gene, I think it's more of a mental trick of the mind.

[soft herald]

that's fair, i've never realy known XD
In my experiance, i've been able to learn things on either hand if i want to

Like i used to play blade and sorcery left handed lol

But i've only experianced what i've experianced, and not realy asked many people/seen anything about this typa thing lol

[soft herald]

not even talking about meta much, but it'd give basicaly everyone near charge speed grounded walls for basicaly free imo

I do think it'd be intresting, but double inputs would be realy easy imo, but have a big effect on how the game plays

[sinful shale]

charge still provides a benefit though, that's the thing

it's just that it, again, has its skill level upped

especially if you split it down the hands as well

[soft herald]

For the cost, i don't think would tbh

[sinful wave]

for the record on the topic of ambidexterity, training basic hit combos on one's non-dominant hand isn't difficult. RUMBLE requires neither the fine finger precision nor the strength we've trained our dominant hands on over the years and decades; and the human body is weirdly good at mirroring motions.

I've stood in place without my headset, did a right hit combo, then did the motion simultaneously with my right and left hand like a mirror image several times. Just the active hand was fine; I repeated that for a couple days when I was away without my headset and I came back capable of all my combos with my left hand.

No need to spend more than a couple minutes on it, either. You're not rewiring muscle memory; you're adding new one. And much of our "handedness" stems from habit, not physical necessity.

[proud solar]

Yall are sleeping on SUS btw, way easier than SSU I think

[sinful shale]

we need better opposite hand notation

also SSUU when

wait

let me think one moment

pUwSUSUhDSUSU

[frozen root]

not if you did SSU or SSU

-# I think SUS would be harder than those bc you're trying to outspeed an SU rather than an S

[sinful shale]

Static charge quadruple straight :3

[proud solar]

You’re either trying to hit a pose after SS or SU. The SU is way easier. Also, two back to back straights are way way more arm movement

[frozen root]

it's more arm movement, but you have more time to do it

plus, as you said, SU is easier.
but you have to do it in both scenarios

bc of the amount of arm movement needed, you can think of it as a pause in the notation

a short pause, but it's still there

so what's more likely?
you hitting an object at straight speeds with an easy SU
or hitting an object at SU speeds with a straight that takes forever to get to?

[proud solar]

The second straight doesn’t take significantly longer to get to if you’re doing the offhand last since you’re not changing directions of movement like in SS though

It’s exactly the same as SUK, which a lot of people swear by as an easier motion than SUK already

[frozen root]

that's completely unrelated though.

[proud solar]

No. It’s the same amount of movement, at the same speed

[frozen root]

is SS really that much harder than US?

[proud solar]

No, but SSU is that much harder than SUS

[frozen root]

why???

[proud solar]

Because your hands can flow from pose to pose. No hard redirections like in SS

Same reason SUK works for people

[frozen root]

if SS isn't harder than US
then all that matters is the speed of the object as you hit S
which is drastically different bc S will never be as fast as SU

also, what about SSU then?

[proud solar]

Your main hand goes from straight - upper - shoulder naturally and very quickly, going from straight - shoulder - upper requires you to go further and switch directions, which is significantly more mechanical work

[frozen root]

ok, I see you're point.
but I really don't think that will make it easier enought to beat SSU

[proud solar]

Incoming velocity of your arm into the US matters, too. You can’t switch directions instantly, which is already a known problem in SKU which is both a slower combo and doesn’t require a full 180 flip of direction

I think it’ll make a huge difference when HSSU AND SSUE vs HSUSE and SUSE come up

[frozen root]

it really depends, is the cube slow enough to be hit in SUS
I can see the argument for smoothness, but does that really make you fast enough to beat an SU?

nvm
-# immediately remembers SUK

[proud solar]

What are you saying? SS is faster than SU. Either way, the time to beat the last pose is what matters, and after SS it’s shorter than SU by a wide margin

In theory, you want the slowest poses first since that maximizes the average time to hit each, assuming final velocity stays equal

[proud solar]

Speaking of which, I think SUS will be slightly slower than SSU since grounded straight is more powerful, but it’s hard to tell since we don’t know how grounded modifiers scale with higher speed

[frozen root]

think of it as two separate combos you're trying to do in two different orders

SU vs S
SS is faster than SU ofc, but SU is such a fast combo it doesn't matter.
so I'm only looking at it from the perspective of having to switch positions.

I'm seeing it as S.SU vs SU.S
either way, as I said, I see your point now.
-# but I do want to see someone pull off SSU

[proud solar]

Someone’s totally gonna pull off SSU. Probably won’t even be rare, like HSUE or SUEK now maybe?

[frozen root]

yeah.
-# ignore the fact I still can't SUEK ;n;

[open bone]

-# its ok, i can barely SUE

[frozen root]

you'll get the hang of it

[open bone]

eventually

[sinful shale]

how do I know so many hit combos at 5k 😭 i have a consistent UKSU SUEK SUE and 20% consistent UKSUK

[proud solar]

Because you joined after they were optimized to hell and back and common enough that you’d hear about them / see them regularly. Same effect for why every new player gets better faster over time

Also, hitcombos are pretty low-hanging fruit in terms of difficulty compared to meaningful magic skills or building solid fundamentals or pose consistency. I had UKSUK by 5k too, it’s not too bad if you really want it, meanwhile it took me 20kbp to get half-decent at real volatile and flick

[open bone]

i learned bSE at 15k 😔

i had to slog through pre cosmetic optimization

[wide yarrow]

NO ITS NOT I WANT MY HANDS TO STILL EXIST BY 2030

[wide yarrow]

imo SUEK is still rare

not that many people can do it

i think a lot of people could be capable if they tried for it

but its still in a league of its own compared to HSUE

[soft herald]

HSUE is way more useful and used the SUEK tho

Idk if it’s a fair comparison

[outer bobcat]

SUEK on pit is legit awesome

[bold cloud]

As a person who existed in a time that all of these were possible, I don't really want to see it back in the game. We already have Charge which is kind of what SS and UU and KK are, I believe this change will make Charge the most useless shiftstone in the game, so I'm against this suggestion

[wide yarrow]

Agreed

But as someone who actively practices both

SUEK is way harder

[soft herald]

idk if mechanicaly it's any harder tbh

i could see HSUE being argued as harder

but, i think it is currently harder because it's just not used anywhere near as much

[frozen root]

Nah.
From a progression stand point, once you know SUE
HSUE isn't far behind.
But SUEK requires more changes to your pose for faster execution.

Ofc, structure also matters.

That was poorly worded

HSUE doesn't have that different of hand movement from SUE
But SUEK does have different movement.
Or at least, it's needed for me.

[wide yarrow]

It feels much more precise

[soft herald]

once u know SUE, it's just a kick?

[frozen root]

I would agree.
Except that has never worked for me

I actively need to rework my poses to hit it

[soft herald]

Works for me

[frozen root]

It's different depending on the person ig

[outer bobcat]

Ehhh

[proud solar]

Imo SUEK and HSUE felt about the same to train, both are just “add something to SUE”, with the same training process of learning how to not flick up the SUE part when I’m doing it

I’ve never heard of anyone else who struggles specifically with the part they already know when learning like that, so it could just be me, but UKSUK / SUEK / HSUE / bSE were all about keeping the “core” that I knew already correct while learning the -K / -K / H- / -E respectively

[frozen root]

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[soft herald]

i think HSUE is just way easier to practice because it's used a lot more
but i don't think either are harder

also, we do HSU way more then UEK

[regal basin]

Thank god im ambidextrous 😈

[sinful shale]

CALL IT OFF CALL IT OFF CANCEL CANCEL

[outer bobcat]

Didnt see it that way, youre probably right

[idle thunder]

That’s an interesting point btw
As a charge user, I feel like it would bring me interesting ways to use charge.
What do you mean by all these were possible😲 all of them? How did it feel to use these?

[frozen root]

or the most powerful

-# with patience

though the 1 second wait time might be too much

[idle thunder]

Also I think the idea of jab-cross (SS) is just way more fun than jab-twistthenipple (SU)

[bold cloud]

Sorry, I should've been more clear, "all of these" is just SS, UU, KK.
It was wayyyy before there were any shiftstones so they all felt very powerful.
Charge just makes a modifier 1.5 stronger I believe, so I'm sure that if we had separate cooldowns on each hand it will just make it even more useless than guard, which is quite the achievement

For guard people - the tech can be cool, for actual gameplay it's worse than having no shiftstone equipped in my opinion

[idle thunder]

I’m very curious about that. First thing I’d try is wHDS S

[outer bobcat]

In my very unbiased opinion, loosing charge for this mechanic is just a win

[frozen root]

why everyone hate charge? ;n;

cornbread is cool

[sinful shale]

the jab-what

[broken oriole]

you heard em

[placid crow]

https://tenor.com/view/incrediboy-incredibles-poster-throw-syndrome-gif-17947237037189380740

Slander!!!

Lol

[exotic shell]

maybe to make charge still exist you could get two charges

so you could do two charged straights

or other combos

it would be pretty powerful

cube > hold
wait for the charge
charge straight > charge straight

it might be way to fast though

everything would be really fast with seperate hand modifier cooldowns

[frozen root]

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we should make a separate post for that idea.

-# maybe

[exotic shell]

would you need a charge stone for each hand ?

[frozen root]

yes

[exotic shell]

oh

[sinful shale]

i was thinking charge is split among handed modifiers as well

so if you left hold you get a left charge and if you right hold you get a right charge

making gliders and dual wielding even more practical

[soft herald]

railguns gonna make the walls just teleport into people 😭

[rough wren]

I like the idea of rewarding more training

Middle split could just lower cooldown of one side if other side was used. So there would be an hard limit on how fast you can chain but still be able to do it if you can do ambidextry

Also would promote more martial movement which might be fun, as og said pillar-one-two feels cool

[wide yarrow]

I don’t want my arms to explode

Please people😭

[sinful shale]

they won't explode, probably

it's like a 15% chance

[soft herald]

wait would double straight not cause explosions?

[sinful shale]

no, cuz it's going the same direction

it's only if the dot of the vectors is below a certain value :P nerd stuff