RSH Pig | Mythgard | Page 1

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 3:47 AM

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name: RSH PYg
coverart: Rogue Idolon
path: rebellion safehouse
power: mend
2 clay effigy
2 corrode equipment
2 yahui
2 yana virus
2 poxbringer
1 yara from arawaka
2 misanthropia
2 revelation of ximec
1 zolea, the unclean
2 media autocam
3 troikasekt
2 led astray
2 veela spy
3 racer in shadow
2 profane locus
3 slantstone
2 house of a thousand grudges
3 muttonmorphosis
1 rogue idolon
2 plague maidens

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@rustic trench

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It's mill, mostly

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I thought about throwing in automagic as a second win con, still might take out spy for it

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 3:49 AM

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I think veela spy isn't a particularly good choice in general

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is small for its cost, gives you an extremely slow card if it survives, and makes you wait even longer to get another one

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may be worth looking into born again

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 3:52 AM

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Any other mill cards worth considering in the colors?

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 3:52 AM

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I'd say fewer mill cards, but try to get a bit more stall and a bit more draw to make slantstone more consistent

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after all, mill is nigh-useless up until the moment it deals like 16 damage to your opponent

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would think about unforgivable crossing

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honestly, this style of mill might do better outside of safehouse, even though that's the point of the deck

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could be a fires deck, play things like ollama ring, icon of the feathered one, garland arbor

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I think harvester is pretty decent, gama sennin might help on the back half of the game

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assuming you don't move to fires, that is

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I mean, even if you do move, they're probably fine to have

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I think slantstone, locus, and grudge house don't work together as a unit

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for locus, you want to immobilize your opponent's minion - they can't attack at all, not even when shrunk and nerfed

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so physically dominating the board space is a reasonable option

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 3:58 AM

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Slantstone does most the work, it's true. Locus is really for a mirror match situation where they're not playing anything, but it's very slow

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 3:58 AM

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locking it into a lane by playing rainbow and filling all the other available attack lanes is another

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 3:59 AM

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House is more of a compromise

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 3:59 AM

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grudge house wants you to have something agile and alive

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the minion on the house is pretty bad for its cost, though

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would need some sort of support if you plan to use the minion for more than just 1 hit to the face, then removal by your opponent's 1-drop

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grudge house and locus aren't antisynergistic - grudge house can lock locus into a lane by filling up a potential attack lane with a body

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but locus and slantstone don't complement each other, and grudge house actively works against slantstone

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 4:01 AM

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I don't think that's necessarily true

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They don't have to have perfect synergy to contribute to the gameplan

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I grant you, slantstone is doing the heavy lifting, but it's fine to get a few extra cards in here and there

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 4:02 AM

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grudge house is sort of like playing strigoi pup, but for 2 extra mana

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at least, if it doesn't have some sort of buff support

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 4:03 AM

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Sure, but it's doing a little bit extra, for instance when I hit a stasis state, due to misan or just controlling well, I can put my tokens on it

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Or ideally Yara

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 4:05 AM

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in any case, I'd probably ditch all the locuses, and probably 1 of the grudge houses

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@drifting rune and @tropic socket had YP mill decks, and I think j's mill deck used a grudge house

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 4:05 AM

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I can understand if it's just not worth the value it brings, but if the discussion is leading toward, "don't play mill" or "don't play RSH", then you're not really understanding the brief here, lol

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 4:05 AM

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no, I totally get what you're saying

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most of what I'm saying is "don't play all the different mill engines in the same deck"

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 4:05 AM

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This may not be optimal, but it may not have to be if it can even just protect slantstone well enough

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Yeah that's fair

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 4:06 AM

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might look into including some single-gem green card or pseudo-card generation

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on one hand, war documentarian + racer guarantees that war doc triggers if it survives a turn

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 4:08 AM

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That is somewhat interesting

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 4:08 AM

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on the other hand, it's not a good body, and it's unclear what exactly you plan to do with it otherwise

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like, if you just blight enemy stuff down and never play minions, you're not going to get a lot of minion combat deaths

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poxbringer and whatever green recursion also is a thing

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mostly unforgivable crossing, but wake the bones and shroud of the pit exist

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I'd probably include something big that stalls and/or trades, just to avoid getting wildly outvalued later on

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harvester, tangleskein

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tangleskein's goliath webs can be a nuisance with yahui and racer

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goliath webs are also a general pain to push through if your opponent has something recurring like born again

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 4:20 AM

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Yeah, that's a good call. I'll have to craft it but I think it's a good fit

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What do you think about bald mountain? It requires a body to run

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Also, detain over led astray, probs?

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 4:22 AM

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don't go out of your way to craft

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hmm

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possibly?

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deported is better for handling your opponent's big stuff later, and detained can be played without double green

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led astray is great removal, although it works worse than mutton in this particular type of deck

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might move to playing just a single green gem

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tangleskein is acquirable through the yellow battlepass, if you want to grind. it's a good top-end card for yellow in general right now

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would not build the goliath webs individually, they won't see much use

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 4:24 AM

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Yeah it's really just skein

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 4:24 AM

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bald mountain is usable

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 4:24 AM

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I'm not going to grind it, it'd take a literal season, lol

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 4:24 AM

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might include balance somewhere

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 4:24 AM

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Balance over rev?

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 4:25 AM

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probably swapping in for one of the green cards

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 4:25 AM

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Spys are coming out, led will probably be detain

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Skein will probably go in for... Something, lol

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Maybe crossing goes in and skein goes in for spys

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Balance goes in for a house

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 4:27 AM

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already pulled the locuses?

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 4:27 AM

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Other house comes out for something

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Keeping locus maybe

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 4:27 AM

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would pull locus before house, personally

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you have a lot of shrink, but that doesn't stop your opponent from attacking anyways

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attacking with a 0 attack minion into an empty lane will still relocate locus

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 4:28 AM

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Yeah fair. Ok maybe house over locus depending on the curve

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I feel like this deck should really be ~42/43 if we're going to burn

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Maybe I can sneak in a few others while I'm at it

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Harvester maybe

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 4:29 AM

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would probably pull a yana virus

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there's a few situations where you can punish with it (deny area to opponent with maze/tree of life), but it's not generally good

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 4:30 AM

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Yana feels pretty necessary v agro

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Dogs mostly

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Which are everpresent

rustic trench Jan 20, 2023, 4:31 AM

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guess you've been seeing more dogs than I have

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works against them, I guess

drifting rune Jan 20, 2023, 8:51 AM

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I am happy to be part of RSH Pig! 🐷

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Pigs unite and rebel!! Poguard

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 11:17 AM

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Any thoughts about what this needs? I'm thinking mill wincon with recursion value backup

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 12:19 PM

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@drifting rune welp, that's the deck! Lol

drifting rune Jan 20, 2023, 12:19 PM

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fossil elm <@304116735454347265> welp, that's the deck! Lol

Yep!

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I have answers to mill! 🐷

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You also need a larger deck size imo.

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I love it when mill decks worry about themselves being milled! 🙂

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 12:23 PM

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How many cards are you running?

drifting rune Jan 20, 2023, 12:23 PM

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71

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 12:24 PM

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Too many lol

drifting rune Jan 20, 2023, 12:24 PM

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No! I want my enchantment ratio to be huge!

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I want to draw a huge tonne of cards.

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 12:24 PM

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I imagine you got it, but also I imagine you're an outlier

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Also I don't feel so bad now if I got you to 20

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I'll think about taking it up to like 45

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That sounds like a good number

drifting rune Jan 20, 2023, 12:33 PM

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fossil elm Too many lol

My most used deck in Ranked is 144 cards. So 71 is a big improvement.

fossil elm Jan 20, 2023, 12:37 PM

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Lol, indeed! Well I'll chalk our match up to meeting my perfect counter

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And also I'm sure I could do with a few automagic cannons

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And maybe born agains

drifting rune Jan 21, 2023, 4:00 AM

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@fossil elm Has your RSH Pig deck defeated BG Canines yet? Or it is an auto-loss for you?

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My opinion: 🐕 vs 🐖 = bloodbath for the poor pigs.

fossil elm Jan 21, 2023, 4:05 AM

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Lol, auto loss against everything

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It feels like misan is my only real reset

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It's very hard to break pressure. Thinking about making GPy like most folks do

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PyG

drifting rune Jan 21, 2023, 4:10 AM

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But yellow requires gem_yellow early. So why would "y" be in lower case?

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I recommend 3 x Yana Virus to deal with people who like to bunch mionions together.

fossil elm Jan 21, 2023, 4:15 AM

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I'm saying I'm going to give up on yellow for misan and just use it for a few value carda

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Clay Effigy, maybe virus or maybe the 1Y blight spell

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I'm not sure

drifting rune Jan 21, 2023, 4:19 AM

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I see, OK.

fossil elm Jan 21, 2023, 4:20 AM

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Otherwise I have to think of something which can stick on the board quite well early to help me manage agro without giving up my RSH position

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Maybe house elf

drifting rune Jan 21, 2023, 4:20 AM

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Do you support or oppose Wonder Drug?

fossil elm Jan 21, 2023, 4:20 AM

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I think if you're hoping to gain 8 life, 8 life is not going to solve your problem, lol

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I'd rather just play a bunch of bemini and like, born again or something

drifting rune Jan 21, 2023, 4:21 AM

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It just seems bad to say: Misan is my only re-set, but imma only splash yellow. 🤔

fossil elm Jan 21, 2023, 4:21 AM

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If I were going to switch from Y to y I wouldn't play misan

drifting rune Jan 21, 2023, 4:21 AM

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Wonder Drug has saved me more times that you could imagine.

fossil elm Jan 21, 2023, 4:22 AM

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I'd like like terminal and Judas or whatever

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I also though about going GOp

drifting rune Jan 21, 2023, 4:22 AM

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Wonder Drug has also been dead a tonne of times too, so there's that 🐷

fossil elm Jan 21, 2023, 4:23 AM

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Lol

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I mean, I've plowed through a full Guls in one turn

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8 life is just a minion or two in the late game

drifting rune Jan 21, 2023, 4:23 AM

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I recommend Shackle.

fossil elm Jan 21, 2023, 4:24 AM

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Yeah, shackle, angelshcism, temptation, dark passenger

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Splash p for slantstone and racers basically

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I'll think on it

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Dunno what else I can do with O

fossil elm Jan 21, 2023, 5:07 AM

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Not better, lol

rustic trench Jan 22, 2023, 6:16 AM

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fossil elm I'd like like terminal and Judas or whatever

judas hex wants something a lot more proactive about killing than mill. getting a full, magic, 21 damage judas hex turn is less damage than depletion turns 4 and 5. need a card that can retaliate with face damage immediately afterwards around turn 3-6 ish

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judas hex turns it into a race, effectively, but you need to be able to win that race

fossil elm Jan 22, 2023, 7:47 AM

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Yeah, green is not working anyway, I'm rethinking this whole endeavor

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RSH just not very playable

rustic trench Jan 22, 2023, 7:52 AM

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yeah, it's not good

drifting rune Jan 23, 2023, 2:37 PM

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It went from the best path to the worst path overnight. It was funny to see.

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I played during that era.

rustic trench Jan 23, 2023, 7:49 PM

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was totally degenerate when it was the best path, since you only needed to play a half-turn behind, which you already naturally did when opponents played first. basically guaranteed draw with a side of free blockers/combat tricks

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allowed you to play pretty much any-color removal while still getting draw, not just blight, strength lock, and transform

drifting rune Jan 26, 2023, 12:43 PM

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Please post more results regarding RSH Pig matches. 🙏🐷

fossil elm Jan 26, 2023, 1:58 PM

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I can confidently say that Pig had kept me from rising out of Gold, lol

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I'm going to try to grind to the next ladder, then I'll have some fun refining pig

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My biggest issue is it seems to be equally reliant of G and Y to manage the board, and I want P to work but I'm not sure at what proportion

fossil elm Jan 27, 2023, 12:02 PM

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Pig dropped me from rank ~5 in gold down to rank 10. Gem Cutter JoS has me back at 5.

drifting rune Jan 28, 2023, 10:42 PM

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Lol Did you mean dropped to Rank 1? (10 is the highest)

fossil elm Jan 28, 2023, 10:43 PM

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Oh I meant on the ladder, positionally

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So I was 5th on the list, down to 10th, but in reality it was like moving from G8 to like G6

fossil elm Jan 31, 2023, 3:50 AM

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Now that I hit myth I'm returning to RSH

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Thinking of trying POG

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Locking board at 0 power, winning through mill and / or stealing good shit using schism and temptation

fossil elm Jan 31, 2023, 12:05 PM

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It works... But at what cost :(((

drifting rune Jan 31, 2023, 1:46 PM

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I look forward to seeing POG Pig. 💯

fossil elm Jan 31, 2023, 4:21 PM

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I'll play a few more then post the list and we can pick it apart

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It's not been a smash hit, but at least it's fun

fossil elm Jan 31, 2023, 4:56 PM

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Ok, here's the deck, it is fucking grueling

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name: RSH PoG
coverart: Dire Benediction
path: rebellion safehouse
power: mend
2 media autocam
2 detained
1 raid the tombs
3 troikasekt
1 grigori protocol
1 bald mountain
2 weapon check
1 terminal calculus
2 dire benediction
1 miraculous feast
3 halcyon decree
2 shadhavar beast
1 scion of pride
1 seal of exile
2 temptation
3 compulsory curse
2 jaded courtier
3 slantstone
2 white metal ox
1 balance
3 muttonmorphosis
1 jin-sook, dollmaster
1 angelischism
1 herald of famine

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You can watch my last replay vs EyeKnot, it was basically a 20 minute game of just Yomi-ing the right answers

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Winning by mill

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It has the tempo of Lantern Control from MTG, but I don't know if this is a success or not

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I wanted to make room for Mothmaras to put a tighter clock on things but I just don't know

fossil elm Jan 31, 2023, 5:46 PM

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yep, this is not a delight, lol

drifting rune Feb 1, 2023, 10:05 AM

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LOL.

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This is my version of POG Pig. I took your version as the base, then made it way more controlly (and upped the deck size too).

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I am coping....battling away...

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Maudib has rage-quit! 💪

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The pigs won! 🤗 🐷 bonkalotl

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In its first match, it came up against a Champion and won Poguard

drifting rune Feb 1, 2023, 10:56 AM

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It is now 2-0. 💪🐷

fossil elm Feb 1, 2023, 11:49 AM

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Ya boi! Pig Pogers!

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Post up the list? I might copy you back

drifting rune Feb 1, 2023, 12:43 PM

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name: POG Pig Control
coverart: Slantstone
path: rebellion safehouse
power: mend
3 media autocam
4 raid the tombs
3 troikasekt
1 bela, witch queen
3 led astray
2 bald mountain
1 terminal calculus
2 dire benediction
4 miraculous feast
1 halcyon decree
1 parsa's cornucopia
1 raziel, keeper of secrets
1 scion of pride
3 seal of exile
3 shackle
2 temptation
1 kaveh, khyber warlord
1 lavish proxy
4 racer in shadow
2 white metal ox
2 balance
1 misfortune
3 muttonmorphosis
1 jin-sook, dollmaster
1 master of shadows
2 spirit away
1 angelischism

fossil elm Feb 1, 2023, 12:45 PM

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Lol yeah, blowing up that deck size for real

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4 raids to keep it moving

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Maybe I'll push my list up to 45, add in some of these standouts

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Cornucopia would work well if I had it, as would MoS

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Bela probs has real value, that's a good add

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Aight cool, lmk how this list works for you!

drifting rune Feb 1, 2023, 12:47 PM

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Racers on Bald Mountain are soooo good.

fossil elm Feb 1, 2023, 12:55 PM

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It's basically 2P to get a spell back, that's a fine trade

fossil elm Feb 1, 2023, 3:40 PM

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I couldn't live that 50 card life, it was too inconsistent. Took out some cards I had added back in, feeling much better at 45 cards tho

fossil elm Feb 3, 2023, 4:25 PM

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Made room for 3 racers, this is what my deck was missing

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Much more consistent at managing tempo. I think slantstone wincon is suboptimal for sure, but it's kind of the deck I've always wanted to play

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Also @drifting rune I watched your games, they were great to see

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You've really sold me on Shackles, but I still think I'll go without them for now

drifting rune Feb 3, 2023, 10:35 PM

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@fossil elm Thanks man. I am losing rank points though because of PIG. Going down fast! 🐷 smugsapo .

The deck is way too fair.

fossil elm Feb 3, 2023, 10:37 PM

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lol yes, it is the worst path using arguably the worst colors for it

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I think RSH only works with yellow and green, that's it

drifting rune Feb 3, 2023, 10:42 PM

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I'm starting to agree now. POG Pig can be runover too fast by aggro, and Rainbow (and to a lesser extent Fires) is an extremely difficult matchup. Not unwinnable but its a situation of fair deck vs unfair deck.

fossil elm Feb 3, 2023, 10:53 PM

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yeah for sure

sweet quartz Feb 7, 2023, 12:07 PM

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btw. if you're naming a deck with Pig, I erxcept Sir Lancelot on it. I am severely dissapointed to know it is not in there

fossil elm Feb 7, 2023, 12:08 PM

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This is fair criticism

sweet quartz Feb 7, 2023, 12:13 PM

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This can still be remedied. Just put a copy in there. nvm that its not supported whatsoever. At least you keep the cool name

fossil elm Feb 7, 2023, 1:09 PM

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It was originally PYG

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Then pig, then POG

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What is Pog-est in life?

#RSH Pig