We're discussing this deck now, I guess
#YP beatdown
fathom yew
name: Protein Shakes
coverart: Pentacle of Flavors
path: coliseum of strife
power: mend
4 doper
2 grit instructor
3 yahui
1 ayotl vanguard
1 vicious cycle
1 yara from arawaka
3 instabeast
2 a34 jaguar
1 harpy-one
2 sniffer
2 axe man
2 cold-blooded killer
3 shinobi of wind
2 pentacle of flavors
4 backchannel captain
1 jin-sook, dollmaster
1 merciless koxinga
1 spirit away
1 terragon
1 gama senin
1 daigoju supreme
1 kenta fire tigon
minor folio
alright
fathom yew
Updated with what I'm PRETTY sure is the current list.
Dang downtime
minor folio
so back to grit instructor - I think it's reasonable to cut, your synergy with it is fairly modest
fathom yew
Yeah the theory was "Oh hey i'll make crazy Yahuis" and it just never happened.
Well okay.
Not with Grit Instructor anyway, those things with instabeast or pentacle are crazy, but...
mighty merlin
Hmm maybe scrap the grits for draw?
minor folio
grit instructors work really well with mazes, but that doesn't seem to be the direction this deck is headed
fathom yew
Nah, way the heck too slow.
mighty merlin
Still clay effigy is good
Could provide a non lucker chump in some cases or block a lane your opponent is angling for
fathom yew
Got online to check, that list is accurate, I can now confirm xD
minor folio
big issue with this in general is that you don't get non-coliseum draw until t6, when you can play captain's hat on a breacher
like, you're just running off of raw efficient trading power
and if you can't efficiently trade, you get no draw and you get hosed
mighty merlin
I actually really like effigy with the overrun breach you play for
minor folio
if you lose tempo, you have no tempo recovery and minimal spot or mass removal to carve out a place on board
effigy is very effective with blast
mighty merlin
Well you could also crutch in a misanthrop
But we should see the updated list first 😊
fathom yew
No that list turned out to be accurate xD
minor folio
I think shinobi of chains is too good to pass up if you add kite glider
minor folio
works with effigy as well
fathom yew
Rogue Eidolon is a good call, I used to run it and genuinely forget why I cut it.
Dear god though with glider it would be pretty nuts. Chains too. T4 really suffers if I don't have a board, Tigon is NOT enough to carry t4 on his own.
minor folio
but that feels like a different deck concept
fathom yew
t3 is usually stacked with options and t4 it's just "Yeah buff a minion or just waste the turn, either way works."
minor folio
I think if you want to maximize blast, you want to increase evasion enablers
mighty merlin
Tigon is a cool card but doesn’t have enough combo imo
minor folio
shuar stalker may be worth looking at, but I don't think you have enough distributed buffs for it to be really good
mighty merlin
I once tried a gyp with marching orders and the 3 mana curse 😜
fathom yew
Tigon is mostly there to try to carry the lacking t4 slot xD
Also for comboing with jin-sook and because swift makes him a strong buff carrier.
minor folio
if you can +2/+X stalker for cheap-ish, it's a huge menace
jin-sook probably helps with that, actually
mighty merlin
You don’t wanna play the t4 Russian roulette with mimic and spirit
minor folio
if you have to spend a whole card to buff it, it's not as good
mighty merlin
Is it a discard two or is it a +2/2 find out lll
fathom yew
God I blundered right into a mimic a day or two ago ._. felt so bad
mighty merlin
Still they’re decent bodies that make them guess
If they ignore it and it’s a shade well then it’s a 6/7
fathom yew
I tend to just ping with wind to find out what they are tbh xD
Nobody ever expects wind, it's great.
mighty merlin
Still make it costly for them
Could also explore enchanteater with how popular momo blue rainbow seems to be
Not the best trading body but thick
minor folio
enchanteater is not very good
mighty merlin
Then feng shui for mono b
minor folio
would plan around the main deck before thinking of techs
fathom yew
Tell you what, okay, gone in and took out grit instructors and the ayotl, put in two shaur and a kite glider.
Let's see how that plays tomorrow. >:D
And yeah RN i'm in bloody gold rank man I don't need tech. I'll throw that in based on the meta once I get up to myth and champ.
minor folio
deck feels like a collection of decently good cards, but it feels like it's missing the right combination
fathom yew
I did used to run enchanteater as my go-to anti-enchant tech back when I ran this at myth.
Not feng shui though.
Enchanteater isn't great but it's pretty much the best yp has outside koxinga. xD
Aaand new deck is now fighting Petamax.
Wish... wish me luck? q.q
mighty merlin
Ooo ill come watch
fathom yew
Dangit no, if I have an audience I'll just get my ass kicked harder! D:
Eh, screw it, i've killed peta with this one before. Or well, more or less with this one.
minor folio
some general concerns - deck seems uneven on having on-curve tanks that benefit from mend
vanguard is actually quite good in this regard
outside of yahui, most of your minions probably do better with bolster
mighty merlin
Oof I was wishing you had racer in hand 😔
fathom yew
I don't even run racer xD
minor folio
Oof I was wishing you had racer in hand 😔
you mean racer in deck?
mighty merlin
Yea lol all the same I just saw two health and a bunch of unspent purple
Yea so maybe it’s a different path you want? The way I see it kite glider and breach seem to be better angles so I wonder if you could benefit more from ACC or even turn
fathom yew
Okay racer swapped out for what, though?
Terragon's next on the chopping block of cards I'm not 100% sold on I guess?
minor folio
terragon and a34 are a bit duplicative, but I don't think it's necessarily wrong
might cut one of the pirates
mighty merlin
I think there is something no to be said for Erode over mend too
fathom yew
Yeah and the a34's WILDLY outperform terragon
dusky lava
I'd look to swap racer for axe man possibly. They're serving similar roles and Racer fuels Coliseum in doing so.
You've also got 3x Yahui so Axe Man on curve as a 2-of doesn't seem super likely
fathom yew
I was thinking that actually, noah, but i'm leery of under-populating the 2-drop spot. The axe men are underperformers who are mostly there because i've otherwise got a weak turn 2 if I can't play yahui, either 'cause I don't draw it or don't draw enough other yellow.
mighty merlin
Yea potentially a t4 erode into axe ping is nice
But maybe mend is too integral for yahui
Erode helps wind pings as well
dusky lava
T4 erode into axe ping is less damage for more mana than t4 racer + doper + erode or whatever
fathom yew
Yeah mend is a no-brainer, i've tried this with armor and bolster and it doesn't do as well. Not tried erode but I can't imagine it'd help.
minor folio
I think mend only has super-synergy with yahui, everything else is sort of eh
minor folio
would look into reintroducing vanguard if you keep using mend
fathom yew
Nah mend with instabeast is surprisingly useful. It's not super-synergy but it's... synergy. I run into plenty of situations on t3 especially where I HAVE a card I can play but heal and fight a minion that would otherwise be a trade is the better call anyway.
mighty merlin
Yea I don’t think you NEED 4 racers but they will help in a number of places I think. Especially if you keep COS
minor folio
considered a simuzen + bolster list?
mighty merlin
I’d also look into rogue if you’re keeping mend on the the table
fathom yew
Vanguard kinda underperformed but IDK if it's just the wildly overpopulated 3-spot that's doing it. I'm not saying it's not good, it's just... competing with fucking 4 winds and 3 killers.
Yeah idolon is legitimately a thought. I used to run it and it did decently, just... overpopulated 3-spot. But with kite, it's probably WAY back on the table again.
mighty merlin
Yea that’s true lots of 3 drops but maybe you swap 1 wind for rogue? She has huge value early or late
fathom yew
I was thinking 1 killer. It's not like I ever get the bloody forge on it anyway.
...
Also not like I'd usually need it if I got it.
minor folio
killer is solid at pushing damage, but it's questionably shaped for repeated trading
mighty merlin
Cbks are really nice running mutton if you decide to add those
fathom yew
Yeah exactly.
It underperforms against wind, it's rarely the better choice, on or after t3.
dusky lava
Percy doesn't work in forum threads
minor folio
next thing you're going to be telling me is that she doesn't work overtime
doesn't work on weekends
dusky lava
It's a problem on Discord's side and they're working on it but forum threads messed with a lot of bots in weird ways
minor folio
is unionizing with the other bots
dusky lava
users don't have access to read forum thread contents until they're added to the thread (either by clicking it or being tagged)
which presents complications for bots even after being added
fathom yew
Look she's been in the underworld a while give her some time to get used to modern technology okay?
dusky lava
Tagging percy adds it to the channel and it's supposed to have all appropriate permissions
but permissions work different for threads within a given forum and they're not configurable yet
mighty merlin
So other thought to capitalize on the kite glider, how about take to the streets ?
The brand persisting blast for all your minions
fathom yew
Okay v2 is looking like this
name: Protein Shakes MK.II
coverart: Pentacle of Flavors
path: coliseum of strife
power: mend
4 doper
3 yahui
1 vicious cycle
1 yara from arawaka
3 instabeast
2 shuar stalker
2 a34 jaguar
1 harpy-one
1 lady in the water
3 racer in shadow
2 sniffer
1 kite glider
2 cold-blooded killer
3 shinobi of wind
2 pentacle of flavors
4 backchannel captain
1 jin-sook, dollmaster
1 merciless koxinga
1 spirit away
1 gama sennin
1 daigoju supreme
1 kenta fire tigon
minor folio
deck feels more toolkit-y than cohesive right now
fathom yew
The original version of this was actually a Take To The Streets deck, it mutated over a month or two into this much more competitive version xD
mighty merlin
It has some strong synergy with racers
dusky lava
I think something roughly like this might be where I'd be starting from if I was playing YP atm.
fathom yew
I'm also not liking the color imbalance, It's 18 to 23 Y to P. Despite Y being the color we most need to be sure we draw early on, to get the turn 2 yahui.
minor folio
is this the right deck for gama sennin?
dusky lava
It's not not the right deck but I'm not totally sold on it
fathom yew
Good question, Gama I literally added two or three days ago, it's been doing okay so far, but grinding out of silver is hardly a stress-test.
(Ignoring the fact i've won every game vs a champ outside that petamax one, of which there were 5 xD)
dusky lava
In the list you're working on, I'd almost be tempted to move from Yahui + Mend to Puma + Bolster just to not strain the gem distribution if you're worried about it.
fathom yew
This deck benefits a lot from a little top-end. two or three 6 or 7 drops only. Used to be daigoju, sapo, and grade, but two of those got nerfed and I proceeded to just never play them after a dozen or so post-nerf test-games. The current setup of Lady, Digoju and Gama is doing... okay.
Noticably weaker than before. Lady I'd replace if I was convinced any other option in the slot wouldn't be worse. I guess I've not tried Tangleskein yet but I'm really unconvinced.
fathom yew
In the list you're working on, I'd almost be tempted to move from Yahui + Mend t...
Lord no. Yahui is a god's gift of a buff carrier. It, shinobi, captain and the buffs are the heart of the deck, none've those are really questionable in terms of their value. Puma would move this deck too aggro.
mighty merlin
name: Deck 2
path: coliseum of strife
power: mend
2 clay effigy
2 doper
3 yahui
4 meso libre
1 vicious cycle
1 yara from arawaka
2 instabeast
2 shuar stalker
2 a34 jaguar
1 harpy-one
3 racer in shadow
1 kite glider
1 misfortune
1 rogue idolon
3 shinobi of wind
2 pentacle of flavors
1 take to the streets
4 backchannel captain
1 jin-sook, dollmaster
1 merciless koxinga
1 spirit away
1 daigoju supreme
fathom yew
This deck actually did worse when it was basically a blast deck.
mighty merlin
Maybe it’s too late a curve but I tried to keep your ideals plus benefit from some very value purple cards
fathom yew
Misfortune+wind is a combo and a half.
I actually don't think that list looks too awful. Effigy's the only standout "...Wait, why's that in there?".
minor folio
effigy works really well with blast, actually
you put it between 2 enemy minions, blow them both up
mighty merlin
Blast/card draw/chump defender
fathom yew
Might need to try it out sometime. It's certainly a thought, at least.
mighty merlin
Alright friends I’m off to attempt sleep it’s 3am here gl in your games!
fathom yew
Right, final version and I'm going to sleep too. xD I'll run this tomorrow and see how it compares to the MK.I
name: Protein Shakes MK.II
coverart: Pentacle of Flavors
path: coliseum of strife
power: mend
4 doper
3 yahui
1 vicious cycle
1 yara from arawaka
3 instabeast
3 shuar stalker
2 a34 jaguar
1 harpy-one
1 lady in the water
3 racer in shadow
2 sniffer
1 kite glider
1 cold-blooded killer
1 rogue idolon
3 shinobi of wind
2 pentacle of flavors
4 backchannel captain
1 jin-sook, dollmaster
1 merciless koxinga
1 spirit away
1 gama sennin
1 daigoju supreme