even as a one club man i don't like naming any single player as the biggest legend
#bayern-munich
astral apex
I really like roy makaay, but he was here for "only" 5 years
tired prism
they're all legends it's hard to compare
Biggest modern day legend at least
astral apex
True
astral ravine
Biggest modern day legend at least
yea i can agree with that
lahm is a very close second
tired prism
lahm is a very close second
I agree
astral apex
Honestly I dont have active memories to most of our legends
I've seen schweinsteiger and lahm and roy makaay play irl
astral ravine
tbf lahm technically is a one club man as well
tired prism
tbf lahm technically is a one club man as well
He was out on loan for two years at Leverkusen I believe
astral ravine
nah stuttgart
tired prism
But also not really
Wdym?
astral ravine
but he was still a bayern player it was a loan
tired prism
but he was still a bayern player it was a loan
Technically but still he played for another club
Wasn't Kroos out on loan at Leverkusen?
astral ravine
i still count him as a one club man
astral ravine
Wasn't Kroos out on loan at Leverkusen?
for a year ye
tired prism
for a year ye
I got that mixed up
tired prism
i still count him as a one club man
But it was at Stuttgart where he made a name for himself
astral ravine
lahm was at stuttgart on loan for two years
tired prism
Those two years at Stuttgart made him one of our biggest legends
astral ravine
But it was at Stuttgart where he made a name for himself
ion really care about that when it comes to a club legend he was born n raised in munich and he was still technically a bayern player
carmine trout
I really like roy makaay, but he was here for "only" 5 years
Thoughts on player like Mario Gomez, Van Buyten and Lucio for Bayern
glass otter
astral apex
Thoughts on player like Mario Gomez, Van Buyten and Lucio for Bayern
Dont really have active memories tbh
I remember not liking mario gomez, but I dont remember why
tired prism
Thoughts on player like Mario Gomez, Van Buyten and Lucio for Bayern
Gomez was decent for us
But Mandzukic took his spot
And justifiably so
sterile bison
Twitter
patent wolf
Всем привет
gleaming plaza
Hypothetically who would be a good replacement for Tuchel?
humble trench
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1753877073272230340
remember this, Freund
never try to make the squad smaller
humble trench
*Hypothetically* who would be a good replacement for Tuchel?
give Heynckes another go why tf not
gleaming plaza
damn
astral ravine
*Hypothetically* who would be a good replacement for Tuchel?
any former coach/assistant
we need someone who understands the club and its traditional playstyle
tuchel is trying to change the club's old style with his tactics and it's not working
modest frost
*Hypothetically* who would be a good replacement for Tuchel?
Xabi Alonso or Klopp
modest frost
any former coach/assistant
Or former player
If someone like Basti or Lahm wants to coach I'd say give them the position
astral ravine
If someone like Basti or Lahm wants to coach I'd say give them the position
tbf we'd need to make sure they're actually good as a manager
most of the times former great players aren't great managers
well at least formerly great in the modern era
scarlet siren
Gomez was decent for us
gomez was too one dimensional imo
a target forward, but not as good of a target forward at link up play compared to klose for example
scarlet siren
If someone like Basti or Lahm wants to coach I'd say give them the position
haha they need to come back as players
RB and CDM are our most needed positions rn 🤣
astral ravine
RB and CDM are our most needed positions rn 🤣
wdym "our" aren't you a stuttgart fan 😭
scarlet siren
wdym "our" aren't you a stuttgart fan 😭
shhhhhh
let me be impostor
and for the above comment
we gave you Mario Gomez 😭
and developed Philipp Lahm
strong saddle
Thank God for that
Both are excellent players, Lahm is considered the best right back of his generation
scarlet siren
Both are excellent players, Lahm is considered the best right back of his genera...
he is fr
of all time he's in the conversation too
neon atlas
🫡
devout edge
Since Pavlovic won't be starting as much
Should he leave Bayern
Or continue to develop there
tribal light
Should he leave Bayern
No cap
You're confusing me with your statements man
Why should he leave
devout edge
Bc he's a sub
And he won't be getting game time for a bit of time
Unless Tuchel decides to start him more
strong saddle
its up to him
humble trench
Best league in the world
still la Liga has more EU titles
devout edge
still la Liga has more EU titles
In terms of the league and intensity, the Prem
La Liga has fell off lmao
humble trench
In terms of the league and intensity, the Prem
intensity is indeed great cause of british media power
humble trench
La Liga has fell off lmao
how so?
devout edge
how so?
The Prem has more intensity when it comes to football, the Prem has better quality, more talent
And La Liga isn't as good as it was in the 2000s, less talent, more dull football, etc.
humble trench
how so?
More shite teams and insanely corrupt refs
We do NOT even need to discuss what happened at Real v almería
modest frost
Bundesliga is better than La Liga rn
I'd say loan Pavlovic to a prem side if he wants to start
It worked out great for Marseilles with selling Payet and having him develop
ivory raven
astral ravine
The Prem would be a good move
why do you talk about the prem every time you're in any german channel 😭
pavlovic plays, he should stay and it'd be mad random to go to the prem now
slim harbor
29 years old 😭 ship this fraud
craggy siren
Or continue to develop there
he won’t leave
will stay here and become a legend like muller
versed panther
Players like muller are a very very rare bread
Pavlovic is a good talent but there’s a very very long way to go before contemplating about him staying at bayern for as long as muller & become a legend of that level
devout edge
why do you talk about the prem every time you're in any german channel 😭
Because the Prem is a popular league
And I find the concept of Bundesliga players going to the Prem interesting so I talked about it a bit, it's not a big deal
devout edge
he won’t leave
Fair enough lol
I'm just thinking what would it be like if Pav played every game at another club, I was also thinking Juventus
astral ravine
Because the Prem is a popular league
yeah not in germany
it's not #premier-league innit
astral ravine
And I find the concept of Bundesliga players going to the Prem interesting so I ...
a bit? you did it every time you talked in #bundesliga 😭
devout edge
yeah not in germany
No need to be rude lmao
astral ravine
No need to be rude lmao
i mean it isn't the first time i've told you you talk about the prem too much in german channels
gotta get the message across somehow
devout edge
i mean it isn't the first time i've told you you talk about the prem too much in...
Alright
I've been doing it a lot I'll be honest
Today I just made an innocent comment abt Pavlovic starting at another club
astral ravine
Today I just made an innocent comment abt Pavlovic starting at another club
with the context of every other time you've mentioned it it stacks
astral ravine
it's not like you can never talk about prem players becoming bundesliga players or vice versa
but it's happened so often n most people here aren't tryna hear anything about the prem all the time
devout edge
it's not like you can never talk about prem players becoming bundesliga players ...
Yeah
I just find that concept interesting
But I shouldn't talk about it so much
craggy siren
Araujo?
astral ravine
DOUBLE HIS BARCA SALARY????
idk his barca salary but considering their finances we'll jus have to go from one year's spotify membership to two
humble trench
Ouch
neon atlas
Lolol
Y'all gotta be more active chat
Chats get deleted if its inactive
The channel
astral ravine
Chats get deleted if its inactive
it wasn't even 24 hours by the time you sent that 💀
channels don't get deleted for being inactive for less than a day
neon atlas
🫡 just letting people know
astral ravine
To beat Leverkusen
if tucheliban somehow pulls it off i'll stop complaining about kimmich taking corners for the rest of the season
nice of jordan to give us minjae back right before the match too
strong saddle
i have very little hope
astral ravine
https://x.com/imiasanmia/status/1755935181544788186?s=46
that's something
craggy siren
huge loss for Leverkusen
neon atlas
Even fate is in our side
wraith silo
Leverkusen still has better odds 💀
edgy turtle
#1204644170556252230 please vote
wraith silo
<#1204644170556252230> please vote
The AI art 💀
fleet swift
Tuchel is smoking crack again with this lineup
wraith silo
I can't take this match seriously when dier is in our line up
azure idol
yoo
slim harbor
wow
light sparrow
Oh man... how was the first half ?
round knoll
😭
jovial ridge
Oh man... how was the first half ?
Bayern is trash
Leverkusen is ahead and deservedly so
Should be 2-0 honestly
wraith silo
We're fuckdd
jovial ridge
Yeah you are
cobalt sky
Kane has truly put a curse on you guys 😭
jovial ridge
Maybe he can win the league next year when Alonso leaves for LFC
frozen grove
scarlet anvil
Leverkusen getting a golden Bundesliga
tired prism
We've not won a single big game this season
Apart from Dortmund if they can even be considered that
stiff hamlet
Bayern do u want gerrard as ur manager he made al ettifaq go from 8th to 8th
sick wasp
no
scarlet anvil
ITS THREEE
wraith silo
We've not won a single big game this season
Stuttgart
jovial ridge
Y’all are trash 😂😂😂
scarlet anvil
Kane is a ghost
scarlet anvil
Always has been can’t handle the lights
fleet swift
Tuchel out
scarlet anvil
Tuchel out
You need Dier and Kane out not Tuchel
fleet swift
Are you sped
scarlet anvil
A wise man once said “it’s the history of the Tottenham” and you’ve brought them
neon atlas
We getting cooked by fullbacks with this one
dull skiff
bring back Nagelsmann
wise quiver
You need Dier and Kane out not Tuchel
how kane?
humble trench
wraith silo
Goodbye 11 bundesliga titles streak
vale vine
Tuchel out.
Barca will happily take him btw
vale vine
Goodbye 11 bundesliga titles streak
So funny the exact season harry kane joins bayern some team out of no where goes unbeaten terrorizing every team in its path and now leverkusen has a high probability to win the league
Harry kane seems to have brought the Tottenham with him☠
tribal light
People here talking about Kane causing the Leverkusen win streak are clueless
Leverkusen was already good when Alonso took over last season
compact leaf
Well this stinks
At least Bayern will win the UCL or something
My man HARRY KANE cannot go trophyless again
hot trench
Hes brought the Tottenham curse with him
Dier did too tbf
strong saddle
It's impossible to go on top unless Leverkusen draw again
devout edge
Perhaps Kane could have done more
But it's not Kane's entire fault
It's the entire team
strong saddle
I'm pretty sure they marked Kane so he couldn't do anything
devout edge
Yeah
tribal light
You lot r finished
We're 2nd in the League calm your balls mate
😭
People calling us finished for being 2nd
Unreal
tribal light
Not like we haven't won it the last 11 years in a row
What's 1 year without the Bundesliga Title
We're 5 points behind and people act like we just bottled the Champions League
tribal light
It's impossible to go on top unless Leverkusen draw again
3 Leverkusen draws ain't impossible, but we'd have to win every game from now on, which is hella unrealistic
astral ravine
We're 5 points behind and people act like we just bottled the Champions League
we'll do that tbf
craggy siren
Twitter
astral ravine
i have more hope for winning the bundesliga than ucl and i don't think we're winning the bundesliga
craggy siren
https://x.com/official_benji_/status/1756405596822143395?s=46
Twitter
tidal hornet
Sure is an experience to see Müller actually angry
astral ravine
eng ver: https://x.com/translatemom/status/1756458194765758498?s=46
bad translation tbh but he's speaking kinda unintelligibly at some points
azure oriole
MIA san mia
Let’s hope leverkusion bottles the league
Who’s fault do you think the match is sane or tuchel or other
atomic python
Tuff
chilly stratus
Who’s fault do you think the match is sane or tuchel or other
Both players and tuchel were at fault tbh
But Tuchel's decisions were too confusing ngl
carmine hound
tribal light
😭
astral ravine
Who’s fault do you think the match is sane or tuchel or other
kahn
wraith silo
Just checked
the odds for winning bundesliga have shifted on leverkusen's side 😭
we're so screwed
digital flax
Its maddening how we still employ some players in 2024
One of the guys who was defended the most by the fanbase was just a brick yesterday
Astonishing how he cant cut passing lanes and just made himself a witnessing passenger
But yeah, he is overly hated ig
astral ravine
Astonishing how he cant cut passing lanes and just made himself a witnessing pas...
and our best defender yesterday got subbed off for joshua fuckin kimmich
digital flax
and our best defender yesterday got subbed off for joshua fuckin kimmich
Kimmich is not him this season
He was so much better last season
astral ravine
eh i wouldn't say so much better
digital flax
astral ravine
tuchel's system doesn't work with a player like kimmich
digital flax
eh i wouldn't say so much better
Yeah, deffo was
astral ravine
he's not offensive enough to be a 10 (besides he wouldn't start ahead of musiala or müller if he were) and he's not defensive enough to be a 6 with tuchel
and 8s don't offer enough defensively to work with tucheliban
digital flax
He’s a b2b prolly
astral ravine
he works with offensive minded managers
that's why i've been saying we need an ex-bayern coach/assistant
not kovac tho
digital flax
changing coaches cuz some players dont work is not ideal
We need to invest in midfield
astral ravine
changing coaches cuz some players dont work is not ideal
well it's not just that the players don't work
digital flax
When the last time we invested heavily in that?
astral ravine
they're not playing an inspiring brand of football at all no matter what players are on the pitch
sure you have some outliers like an 8-0 win vs darmstadt
but it's darmstadt
if we can only play well against clubs like that we're never reaching 2013-2020 heights
digital flax
if we can only play well against clubs like that we're never reaching 2013-2020 ...
You know what we had then?
Players like Thiago Alcantara and Javi Martinez
Who can be press resistant
astral ravine
i wouldn't say thiago was as defensive
digital flax
not defensive but able to beat press easily
astral ravine
he was good in a double pivot but essentially did what kimmich should be able to do
digital flax
Non of our mids can
digital flax
he was good in a double pivot but essentially did what kimmich should be able to...
But Kimmich cant evidently
Everyone thought he can
astral ravine
i think kimmich can in a system that works with him but tuchel doesn't do that
maybe not doing it to the same level but at least somewhat
digital flax
Also the difference technically btw him and Kimmich is like sky to earth
astral ravine
ofc thiago was an otherworldly player barely any players compared to him when he was fully fit and on form
digital flax
I’m not mentioning Goretzka here cuz its not even worth it
astral ravine
atp it jus feels like goretzka is there to fill the starting xi
he's not completely shite but he's not really good either
he's jus there to drop a 5-6/10 performance every week and go
digital flax
i think kimmich can in a system that works with him but tuchel doesn't do that
So we need a player who can be able to adjust for every system right?
Who’s not very limited
astral ravine
those players are very few and far between
someone who's very tactically versatile is fede valverde but i don't think he would be the right player to get
digital flax
yeah, and we are fc bayern we should get thr right players for the squad
astral ravine
the way uli hoeneß talked about leverkusen's transfer window didn't give me any hope for a great signing either
digital flax
the way uli hoeneß talked about leverkusen's transfer window didn't give me any ...
What did he say?
astral ravine
said something along the lines of them getting lucky with boniface and grimaldo adapting quickly from other countries
if he thinks it's luck to get players who were already consistently performing outside of the top 5 leagues doing well in germany we're never getting the right players
digital flax
said something along the lines of them getting lucky with boniface and grimaldo ...
Sometimes I dont understand Uli
He think Pavlo is enough for Bayern 
astral ravine
the board can make as many profits as they want for the club they still have to actually do something with them
astral ravine
He think Pavlo is enough for Bayern <:haaland:1181948126299422790>
i think he can be with time
but it's way too early to trust an 18 year old regularly
we're not barca
digital flax
i think he can be with time
No, some things cant be fixed by coaching
Its either he has it or not
digital flax
he lost duels yesterday
astral ravine
i don't expect an 18 year old to immediately do well in big games
digital flax
Same with Gore
astral ravine
all around a bad performance by everyone in the team i think it's harsh to pinpoint specific players
astral ravine
physical merchant tbf bro got so buff he forgot how to play football
digital flax
How much does he get? 18m just to be a witness on the pitch
astral ravine
i thought upa was good yesterday before getting subbed off especially coming off of injury
basically prevented 2 goals by himself
did get unlucky with leverkusen's second goal though
digital flax
i thought upa was good yesterday before getting subbed off especially coming off...
Did some iffy things but still good imo
But he just returned from injury
So yeah
astral ravine
in a match where the whole team was subpar he actually looked good in certain moments
astral ravine
horrible decision, dier's better on the ball but that's basically useless against leverkusen
didn't even sub de ligt on iirc
digital flax
How bad is de ligt lately? or how TT doesnt trust him
astral ravine
de ligt's actually been good
digital flax
de ligt's actually been good
No lately he’s been ass
astral ravine
i remember him making some very strong tackles in augsburg
digital flax
Bad positioning in last few games
astral ravine
No lately he’s been ass
defends significantly better in the box than dier
and against high scoring teams that's something we could've used
digital flax
defends significantly better in the box than dier
Well, everyone should be better than him
astral ravine
defensive lineup was shambles overall yesterday, a 5 at the back with boey at lb
digital flax
Also, the thing is de ligt working in 3atb not a guarantee
He did struggle with lvg
astral ravine
Also, the thing is de ligt working in 3atb not a guarantee
shouldn't even be using a 3atb but tuchel's tryna get us playing like chelsea
digital flax
If only TT stayed on 4atb
astral ravine
especially with the few cbs we have
digital flax
and did what the current set of players know
astral ravine
exactly that's what i'm saying
we need someone who knows what the club should be playing like and what the players know
tuchel plays with a different system and it's very noticeable
van gaal's 4-2-3-1 is tried and trusted
digital flax
or any variation
astral ravine
i wouldn't say ideal
digital flax
Why tho
astral ravine
gegenpressing is a good system and it's worked with several different teams
like i said the ideal manager for me would be someone who already knows what it's like to work in bayern's staff
digital flax
yeah his teams always on peds
astral ravine
tuchel trying this new system has taken some of bayern's identity out of the team
digital flax
At least no boring moment
astral ravine
it's not always a great idea to go back to old ways but the old ways worked and i think they still can
digital flax
So who do you want
astral ravine
klopp's a good manager and i wouldn't be mad if we got him but i think we need someone else right now
astral ravine
So who do you want
i haven't really seen what any of our former assistants have been up to recently
i'd take jupp heynckes but he's in his mid 70s he's not taking the job
digital flax
Not just manager we need new players
astral ravine
ye there's gonna be a big revamp sometime soon
digital flax
also certain players need to be sold
astral ravine
the dressing room's messed up atm with the player hierarchy
digital flax
#8 and prolly the fraud #6
wraith silo
klopp's a good manager and i wouldn't be mad if we got him but i think we need s...
Do you think it's possible that alonso goes to bayern
astral ravine
now that kimmich's playing like a sellable player more and more every season, neuer and müller are getting older, goretzka's basically a ghost
there are some big changes coming
astral ravine
Do you think it's possible that alonso goes to bayern
anything's possible but i doubt he does
wraith silo
anything's possible but i doubt he does
Why
digital flax
the dressing room's messed up atm with the player hierarchy
You know what? After each bad result its always Muller who speaks even if he didnt start
astral ravine
Why
liverpool and rma seem like more attractive options atm, especially if leverkusen win the bundesliga
why would you move to a club you just beat
digital flax
Meanwhile #1, and the so called younger generations #6 and #8 are chickens
wraith silo
why would you move to a club you just beat
I mean, if leverkusen goes on to win a treble why would he move at all?
astral ravine
You know what? After each bad result its always Muller who speaks even if he did...
the interview was definitely important yesterday
digital flax
Müller our real captain >>
astral ravine
I mean, if leverkusen goes on to win a treble why would he move at all?
higher ucl chances with other clubs
digital flax
I mean, if leverkusen goes on to win a treble why would he move at all?
Is europa league a treble?
astral ravine
what's the captain situation looking like atm? is müller ahead of kimmich?
digital flax
Technically i guess
astral ravine
Is europa league a treble?
it technically is but nobody's really gonna count it
digital flax
what's the captain situation looking like atm? is müller ahead of kimmich?
Neuer, Müller, Kimmich, Goretzka, Coman i think
wraith silo
higher ucl chances with other clubs
If they go on to win a treble without any losses though.... He's also kinda risking his career by joining a new club and not performing as well as he's expected to.
digital flax
One another thing, I’m very disappointed in Sane
wraith silo
Is europa league a treble?
Ofc it isn't as good of a treble as city's last season but still a treble
digital flax
Maybe we should not renew
wraith silo
One another thing, I’m very disappointed in Sane
Same
astral ravine
If they go on to win a treble without any losses though.... He's also kinda risk...
he can't really risk a career that's barely started
astral ravine
One another thing, I’m very disappointed in Sane
he's a great player on his day but he lacks motivation a lot
wraith silo
he can't really risk a career that's barely started
Everyone thinks he's like the new pep guardiola rn it feels like
digital flax
Ofc it isn't as good of a treble as city's last season but still a treble
Well, at least no chance in sextuple
astral ravine
it's the little things but something you see a lot from him is slowing down instead of chasing a ball he maybe could've gotten
digital flax
he's a great player on his day but he lacks motivation a lot
It always happens in the second part of season
astral ravine
he was the closest player to frimpong's last shot
even if it was almost impossible to do anything there he stopped running way too early
wraith silo
he was the closest player to frimpong's last shot
And gave up middle of the run it feels like
astral ravine
ye
wraith silo
I also think there's a difference between 2-0 and 3-0
digital flax
yes same
wraith silo
because it boosts leverkusen's self esteem etc.
digital flax
its time to retire for Neuer
astral ravine
i think if neuer didn't come up for the corner müller wouldn't have talked like he did in the interview
digital flax
Thanks for a great career but man you are old
astral ravine
its time to retire for Neuer
maybe one more season after this even if it's a bad season
humble trench
Okay, no cap...
After Müller retires, seeing him as Bayern coach would be insane
astral ravine
he's shown this season he can still be a good keeper even if he's old
digital flax
Okay, no cap...
After Müller retires, seeing him as Bayern coach would be insan...
Let him take the xabi path
Try something else first
humble trench
Let him take the xabi path
This is my prediction. He is gonna be Bayern coach after retirement
Some years later
wraith silo
He can't manage other clubs than bayern
astral ravine
This is my prediction. He is gonna be Bayern coach after retirement
i think he'll start with the second team or the u19s
wraith silo
it's just not him
digital flax
He can't manage other clubs than bayern
Why not
wraith silo
he's the biggest bayern fan in the world
wraith silo
digital flax
or any youth team is not a problem
astral ravine
not in germany maybe in austria somewhere
imagine müller wins an austrian bundesliga title beating salzburg
humble trench
i think he'll start with the second team or the u19s
Yeah, I think so too, and it would be the wisest thing to do, because he should implement some mentality into the young players before they play on professional level.
And we see that in his interviews: Müller has nothing but absolutely based takes and the strongest mentality in Bayern. Up there with the best in history.
astral ravine
i think müller has the right personality for a coach too
digital flax
But coming after retirment to coach bayern i dont recommend
astral ravine
he's got humor, he's a loudmouth, he's got character
wraith silo
Tbh I don't see muller as a manager idk why
astral ravine
but he's also got mentality and he can be serious when he has to
digital flax
Also, where was Arteta b4 arsenal?
humble trench
I can see Müller kicking his mates' asses in the dressing room after Leverkusen, and everyone lets him, because they all respect him
(Verbally of course)
humble trench
he's got humor, he's a loudmouth, he's got character
He has Terzic level of personality and Xabi level of perception
astral ravine
maybe terzic level in press conferences but i think he can be better outside of that
terzic will roll over for any player no matter what they say
i can see müller punishing a player as a manager for doing something he doesn't like
craggy siren
Also, where was Arteta b4 arsenal?
Everton
astral ravine
i'd say müller can have klopp style press conferences
humble trench
i can see müller punishing a player as a manager for doing something he doesn't ...
I think he already does that
If he does not hold back during interviews, why should he hold back in the dressing room?
astral ravine
it's possible
humble trench
Because
Müller has authority
Neuer and Müller both have the biggest authorities in the club
I'd say Müller even more
(Below Tuchel of course)
astral ravine
atp i don't even think below tuchel
müller maybe cause if he did he'd probably play more
but neuer/kimmich
astral ravine
i doubt mourinho would go to dortmund but i think it'd be funny
absolutely shouldn't go to bayern tho
humble trench
atp i don't even think below tuchel
I don't know. Tuchel still has the dressing room backing him, and he's the coach, so manager-player hierarchy still counts, I think
astral ravine
i'm not too sure if they still back him
humble trench
If Bayern don't win Bundesliga, then perhaps, but for now, I don't have the impression they don't back him anymore
astral ravine
müller didn't mention anything about tuchel in the interview but i don't think it was because müller doesn't have any problems with him
if müller said anything about tuchel while he's still at the club his playing time would be reduced to single digit appearances
if at all
humble trench
if müller said anything about tuchel while he's still at the club his playing ti...
Perhaps, but I think it's too much speculating to conclude that Tuchel has lost the dressing room
Bayern are still very keen on winning the BL, so the best thing they can do is to put their trust in Tuchel
If not, then that hope for them significantly decreases
astral ravine
Perhaps, but I think it's too much speculating to conclude that Tuchel has lost ...
during a time where almost every manager at the club loses the players' backing eventually (bar flick) it's never too far fetched to assume
especially when the club isn't doing too well (in terms of performances and not numbers)
although the numbers aren't all great either
humble trench
Well, the numbers aren't bad at all. Bayern are 6 points behind where Guardiola was at that point of time, and they are 10 points ahead of 3rd and 4th. Bayern have to lose 4 games, while Stuttgart and Dortmund have to win those 4, in order to actually catch up
And sure, Bayern aren't giving their best performance
astral ravine
i don't just mean in terms of points, cause if you look at that they're having their best season in years
humble trench
But the main reason they are second is because Leverkusen are literally playing a Guardiola season
astral ravine
but they clearly aren't when you watch the matches
humble trench
Like this is not normal
astral ravine
bayern used to be a club that can always win matches comfortably
and sure we're still winning
but nowhere near as comfortably
and how long can we accept lower standards before they drop even more
humble trench
i don't just mean in terms of points, cause if you look at that they're having t...
Yes, but the players will mostly care about wins and losses. Even if the performance was meh, 3 pts are 3 pts, and they are happy if they get 3 pts
astral ravine
players can be happy about the 3 points all they want
astral ravine
if they can't win when it actually matters then neither do those 3 points they got in the other week
ofc nobody expects bayern to win dfb pokal every year
even our best managers lost dfb pokal matches sometimes
but the standard of clubs we're losing to drops yearly
humble trench
Well, either that, or German clubs are actually getting better. And given Stuttgart's insane performance, I think that takes a big part too (Bayern have still beaten them by 3 goals). So they can win when it matters
And they do
Beating Dortmund 4-0 away too
Those were very important games
astral ravine
they can win some matches when it matters
humble trench
But Leverkusen is on an entirely different level
astral ravine
i still think the standards have dropped in terms of performances even with the improvement of the other teams
humble trench
Perhaps. I won't deny it completely. But I think this perspective is overrated
astral ravine
i don't think the next few years will be great for bayern in general but i think we can make it out
humble trench
And taken into account more than it should be
Like Bayern losing to Bremen
I don't think that's entirely because the standards have dropped, but Bremen have also been cooking lately
Because Rückrunde Bremen >>> Hinrunde Bremen
astral ravine
I don't think that's entirely because the standards have dropped, but Bremen hav...
but at the same time
how much can we attribute bad performances to the other team being good until it starts becoming a bayern problem
and ofc right now the general consensus is that it is a bayern problem
i'm somewhat of a 50/50 on it but i'm leaning more towards it being a bayern thing
i see big changes in the future
humble trench
and ofc right now the general consensus is that it is a bayern problem
I think that general consensus only happens because Bayern are a big team.
Everytime, a big team loses to a small team, the general consensus is that the big team played bad, and that in return is mostly fueled by the desire to see better teams fail.
A lot more people will focus in Bayern messing up and dwell on that instead on looking on the opponent's performance, and be like: "Lmao you're so bad"
Not denying that Bayern COULD be playing better, but I think that consensus is unnecessarily overshadowing the counterpart
astral ravine
it definitely is
but like you said they're a big team
even if they were just outperformed they realistically shouldn't be
humble trench
And I think Bayern players don't actually have the desire the see Bayern fall, so their general consensus has to be a lot more different than what we see in public. They acknowledge that their performance was a dud, but they also see how well the other teams are playing
Which is why, I think, the dressing room will only be lost as soon as Bayern's goals are lost
astral ravine
Which is why, I think, the dressing room will only be lost as soon as Bayern's g...
i think that's what most people think even if they don't explicitly say it
but for those people they already aren't reaching the goals
humble trench
but for those people they already aren't reaching the goals
Well, what I see here is that it definitely took a dump on Bayern's hopes. But I really don't think they waste time on being pessimistic about reaching the goal. There are still 4 months left. If they end up not reaching the goal of winning the Bundesliga, they won't reach it. But chances for that significantly decrease if they doubt themselves. Players are trained not to think like that
If you look at Tuchel's post-game interviews, you can see that he copes so hard it's hilarious. But that's what they need rn in order to keep up their hopes
astral ravine
Well, what I see here is that it definitely took a dump on Bayern's hopes. But I...
tbf i was talking from the fans' perspective but ye
but even if the players aren't completely giving up hope you can see they're not too motivated atm
humble trench
but even if the players aren't completely giving up hope you can see they're not...
Also true, but I think that's their general mentality
Sané is a great example
His mentality is really bad
astral ravine
sane's had horrible mentality for a while
he's a good player there's no doubt about it
but he can rarely keep it up for a full season
humble trench
Yeah, Sané definitely has the talent
He can be a world class winger if he wants to
But he just... doesn’t want to
And it's such a shame, because it's a huge waste of talent right there
astral ravine
one of the most notable things is just on an athletic level
he doesn't run as much as he could
humble trench
he doesn't run as much as he could
YES!!! OH YES!
astral ravine
ofc he shouldn't overdo it or injure himself he's already got an acl injury behind him
but it's the little things like not chasing down frimpong's shot at the end yesterday
humble trench
When the ball rolls towards the line off the pitch, and his team had the last contact, Sané doesn’t bother running after it
Bro. CHASE THE BALL.
IT'S YOUR JOB.
astral ravine
does the same internationally too
humble trench
but it's the little things like not chasing down frimpong's shot at the end yest...
I wanted to see Leverkusen win, but bro, that aggravated me.
humble trench
does the same internationally too
Yup.
Against Japan, France and USA, he delivered very well!
But that's about it.
I feel like winning doesn’t mean anything to Bayern players anymore.
See, here is the thing.
Bayern has been winning the league for 11 years now.
That's almost as old as some server members here.
Now, if you are a Bayern player and keep on winning and winning and winning the same tournament, will that win mean to you as much as it did before?
Sure, you get the cash.
astral ravine
Now, if you are a Bayern player and keep on winning and winning and winning the ...
i don't even think it's just that
i think it's more that they got too used to winning
humble trench
But all you hear is: "[insert your team] has won the league again. Of course"
It's nothing special anymore.
For no one
astral ravine
it got too easy for them and now when it's actually becoming harder and other teams start to catch up they struggle because they never had to put in that kind of effort every week, only some weeks
humble trench
They only use as much energy as they need to
And treat important things as very trivial things
astral ravine
They only use as much energy as they need to
sometimes they don't even do that
humble trench
This is absolute trash mentality
astral ravine
This is absolute trash mentality
it's not anything new either, last season they almost slipped up too
but it's a shame it had to take another team to have a near perfect season for more people to see that
humble trench
That's what I have been saying
It takes a Guardiola like season to actually be a threat to Bayern
Leverkusen have not lost A SINGLE MATCH
And they are STILL ONLY 2 wins ahead
This goes to show what the immense difference in quality between Bayern and the other teams is
astral ravine
And they are STILL ONLY 2 wins ahead
tbf if you just look at the points it's a really good bayern season too
put the points from other seasons with the performances from this season and people would call it a crisis
struggled wins are keeping bayern from being europe's laughingstock amongst the big clubs
humble trench
struggled wins are keeping bayern from being europe's laughingstock amongst the ...
I just watched Gamerbrother's video to this match
He unironically said the exact same thing I have been saying in here
But he formulated it way better than I could have
Bayern players, around 6-7 of them, have a weak mentality. They don't want to play football, because they don't have a lot to win for and the whole world to lose for.
In terms of sheer quality and talent, Bayern players are the best in the world, or at least amongst them. I don't think that's arguable.
But when it comes to form and shape, Bayern are below Leverkusen AND Stuttgart
'Cause imagine you're Kimmich.
You wake up, and on your way to training, you are thinking what a dud it is and that you either have to prove yourself in front of those a**holes called media, or you are the worst player in the world as soon as you misplace a pass.
And winning the league is the same good ol' thing for everyone. What's there to praise? You're a Bayern player, you're either average, or absolute garbage.
This, by the way, thus affects Germany's national team. Both Bayern and Germany need a reform of players. Players who are NOT mentally burnt out.
Because look at Wirtz. He can have a bad matchday, and the media won't give a damn.
Sané can have a bad matchday, and you'll see 25 articles.
Bro, Sané didn't even just look like he didn't want play, he looked absolutely depressed man.
strong saddle
Low
craggy siren
this is worse than mourinho
azure oriole
MIA san mia
neon atlas
Guap
tribal light
If we bottle on Wednesday
Sack Tuchel
Bring in Mourinho, Flick or idc
Enough of his Experimenting in important games
If we would've lost 1-0 to Leverkusen, fine, sh*t happens
But that 3-0 loss was unacceptable and we had all capabilities to beat Leverkusen
astral ravine
Bring in Mourinho, Flick or idc
nah definitely not mourinho
he plays defensive ball
he can't and he won't do what bayern should be doing
flick is questionable after the germany stint
i don't think the german players in the club will be too excited to see him back
humble trench
Sack Tuchel
we should do it already
humble trench
he plays defensive ball
i mean, 5 in the back, backs going forward
doesn't sound that bad tbh
humble trench
flick is questionable after the germany stint
flick is loved in munchen
deft epoch
Get in zidane then he is currently free
Klopp likely won't manage Bayern after his dortmund stint and history
Xabi just started managing leverkusen
Mourinho isn't it nowadays
Ancellotti and pep aren't leaving
humble trench
Klopp likely won't manage Bayern after his dortmund stint and history
Tuchel was also bvb manager
he still is
deft epoch
Tuchel is professional coach
Klopp attaches himself with club he manages
And also made some comments while at bvb that he won't be managing Bayern I think.
versed panther
astral ravine
i mean, 5 in the back, backs going forward
does sound bad with this current bayern squad
we don't have the players for it, it can't and already didn't work
astral ravine
flick is loved in munchen
eh
people respect him for the bayern stint but taking the germany job took a toll on his reputation all around
wouldn't say loved but people don't hate him
versed panther
astral ravine
imagine how tuchel's felt this entire season knowing the people who gave him a job got sacked for giving him a job
thorny hare
Get in zidane then he is currently free
zidane aint even a good manager
literally just had the best squad itw
and told them "pass to ronaldo"
humble trench
imagine how tuchel's felt this entire season knowing the people who gave him a j...
omg ur right
deft epoch
and told them "pass to ronaldo"
Passing to kane is enough for domestic double
Guy legit won a league title without Ronaldo when Barcelona was somewhat more relevant
Then again guys like Ancelloti didn't pass Bayern vibe while Van gaal turnednout great so you can never say.
vale vine
No titles for harry kane this season
void horizon
WHERE ARE THE ALL THE TUCHEL FANBOYS
tribal light
final sparrow
Mia san Mia, Mia san Mia
Tief in Herzen Bayerns, da hast du dich aufgestellt
Und du spieltest dich von München, in die Herzen dieser Welt
Ja dein Fussball schreibt Geschichte, die uns immer neu bewegt
Denn wir haben die Gewissheit, die von Sieg zu Sieg uns trägt
Mia san mia, der FC Bayern
Mia san mia, ist diese Kraft
Mia san mia, das ist unschlagbar
Mia san mia, ist Leidenschaft
Denn millionen Fussballherzen, schlagen nur für dich allein
FC Bayern, für immer mein Verein
tribal light
Get Tuchel the f*ck out
If De Ligt leaves end of the season cause he's not getting playtime I'm losing my sh*t
Is bro gonna start Dier over De Ligt again
Is he mental
strong saddle
I won't blame de ligt if he leaves
tribal light
Won't blame him either
I'd blame Tuchel
How can you bench a 70mil Defender that plays so well for us
What is Tuchel on
rancid cairn
slim harbor
notice goretzka
absolutely a fraud
never seen a more useless pathetic footballer than this guy
humble trench
https://x.com/8esart/status/1757487951632621570?s=46
he actively dislikes the club😭😭
astral ravine
We'll destroy Lazio tonight
if we lose/draw i'm blaming you
craggy siren
We'll destroy Lazio tonight
we’re destroying no one
strong saddle
were gonna win 1-0
tired prism
if we lose/draw i'm blaming you
No chance
tired prism
tucheliban is our nicest manager in years
Can't stand that bastard any longer
But let him see out the season
I have no expectations
And bring Flick back next season
neon atlas
i cant take tuchel srsly
he's gotta be mentally ill
i hope de ligt publicly takes shots at him
devout edge
We'll destroy Lazio tonight
Lazio should be an easy game for Bayern
Even we'd beat Lazio
strong saddle
If tuchel doesn't use terrorist tactics, then yes
tired prism
Tuchel is just an egoistic stubborn bastard
devout edge
Dang
astral ravine
kimmich is starting
devout edge
Damn
astral ravine
if he takes the set pieces we're gone
devout edge
That'll help
astral ravine
it won't 😭
wraith silo
Imagine if we'd win 0-5
astral ravine
Only Tuchel would start Pavlovic over Kimmich
that woulda been a good idea
wraith silo
i mean pavlovic is good
devout edge
He's 19 bro
astral ravine
probably not right now pavlovic is too young
but i jus don't want kimmich on the pitch
wraith silo
but i jus don't want kimmich on the pitch
Why 💀
devout edge
I personally think Kimmich is an 8
wraith silo
Aight I gtg my stream has a lot of delay I don't wanna be spoiled
astral ravine
his set pieces have been ass long before tuchel came in
edgy bloom
No De Ligt again...
devout edge
No De Ligt again...
Lmao
edgy bloom
They are, I just feel terrible for de Ligt
devout edge
De Ligt and Kim are such a good duo
astral ravine
after his game against leverkusen you can't leave upa on the bench
edgy bloom
De Ligt and Kim are such a good duo
I wish that would be the regular starting duo
devout edge
Bayern need an attacking manager ibsr
astral ravine
bro singlehandedly prevented 2 goals
devout edge
Tuchel is boring
edgy bloom
bro singlehandedly prevented 2 goals
Fair point
edgy bloom
I still just feel gutted for the Dutchman
astral ravine
That Hoeneb bloke from Stuttgart
hoeneb 😭
devout edge
Icba to use German letters
devout edge
hoeneb 😭
He's got potential
Bayern fans want him bc they can build a project around him
astral ravine
i don't think i've seen any bayern fans asking for sebi hoeneß
atp the last thing they want is another hoeneß in the team 💀
edgy bloom
Bayern fans want him bc they can build a project around him
Like the project they wanted to build with Nagelsmann lol
devout edge
A couple of Bayern mates of mine want Hoeneb
astral ravine
Like the project they wanted to build with Nagelsmann lol
kahn had no concept or idea of what a project should be
devout edge
I get Bayern like young managers but it's good to have a manager with more experience
edgy bloom
Lol
astral ravine
oh yea i forgot you can't say that
edgy bloom
You saw what I tried to send?
edgy bloom
I figured out why after the third try as well 
astral ravine
coretzka immediately fouling lazio players 🥶
tribal light
Oh ffs
tribal light
Isnt Tuchels Contract only valid till July
solar burrow
Why no shot on target? Is Bayern stupid
sterile beacon
solar burrow
Poop Bayern
solid verge
What the hell
Why are there no Bayern fans in here even though it's a channel dedicated to the club itself
Oh it's 1-0 to Lazio
wraith silo
wraith silo
I aint watching anymore
edgy bloom
Why are there no Bayern fans in here even though it's a channel dedicated to the...
Not much to say about such a harmless showing 😅
surreal snow
solid verge
Yeah I understand
wraith silo
Tuchel gotta get sacked soon
tribal light
Thank f*ck this Gollum look a like is getting sacked this July
solid verge
I wonder what Tuchel thinks about right now, he's probably going insane
solar burrow
Imagine Bayern not making it past R16 the season Kane comes in 🫣
solid verge
There's no way Bayern won't proceed, especially since they're playing at home in the 2nd leg
solar burrow
Yeah but…imagine
modern escarp
Why are there no Bayern fans in here even though it's a channel dedicated to the...
There are
But some club channels are just less active during their own matches than others
edgy bloom
i thought last season was bad
To be fair they are doing great in the league based purely on results. Without the crazy Leverkusen season Bayern would be easily on road to another championship
solid verge
You will
dull skiff
Sell upamaguire
edgy bloom
But their style of play has been so bland the past weeks
solid verge
It's only 1-0 and they'll play the 2nd leg at home anyway
tribal light
Tuchel is gonna get sacked 100%
Not winning the CL
Bottled the Cup against a third division team
Most likely not winning the Bundesliga either
July Departure incoming
if not earlier
solid verge
And the question then is, who'll replace Tuchel?
hot trench
Bottled the Cup against a third division team
Who?
hot trench
And the question then is, who'll replace Tuchel?
Xavi 😂😂
solid verge
Good one
tribal light
And the question then is, who'll replace Tuchel?
Someone will, dk who
They won't continue with Tuchel like this
I myself could've gotten a better formation for our Team than fcking Tuchel
solid verge
Imagine it's some guy you never heard of, for example Mr. Dinkelberg coaching Bayern or something
tribal light
light sparrow
Oh guys....
solid verge
humble trench
@modern escarp Tuchel blamed the rule that a loan player can play against his parent club, in his former league Pemier League it isn't allowed. Against Leverkusen, a loaned player scored against Bayern while being loaned out from them.
solar burrow
15 shots, 0 on target
modern escarp
<@395232149470576653> Tuchel blamed the rule that a loan player can play against...
So Tuchel basically wants the loan rule from the Premier League in the Bundesliga?
solar burrow
Josip’s goal wouldn’t have mattered if they showed up to play lol
tribal light
We lost to Leverkusen cause of his braindead formation
modern escarp
And he blamed on that when we lost 3-0 against Leverkusen
Ohh lol
That's a bit pathetic
Don't loan to your rivals then if you need a rule like that
tribal light
Playing Boey on LB when he never played there
Benching De Ligt for Dier
benching Kimmich
Get this man the fck out of my Club
solid verge
And it's FT, Lazio win 1-0
dull skiff
So how much did lazio pay the ref
solid verge
Tuchel, an absolute disaster
solid verge
Trust me, Bayern need a manager like Unai Emery, he'd be good
modern escarp
This is insane
solid verge
Oh lol
devout edge
Class performance from Upamaguire 🔥🔥🔥
tribal light
Yeah, Upamecano should not start in CL Games anymore ngl
devout edge
He's the black Maguire
tribal light
He's already been a disaster last season against Man City
Why the fck do you bench De Ligt
devout edge
Exactly
tribal light
That's like benching Van Dijk for Joe Gomez
modern escarp
My take or the game?
The game, life
devout edge
Fr
modern escarp
Your takes at times
solid verge
devout edge
Trust me, Bayern need a manager like Unai Emery, he'd be good
Bayern need a world class manager
Who plays very attacking football
Tuchel is ass
solid verge
Yeah for sure
devout edge
Bayern suck ass atm
devout edge
Sell upamaguire
Schar > Upamaguire
misty light
You guys are cooked wallahi
devout edge
Botman > Upamaguire
devout edge
You guys are cooked wallahi
Bayern have declined
tribal light
Tuchel is turning my Club into Chelsea
devout edge
Bring Flick back
mortal shore
How did tuchel get 2 ucl finals in a row
misty light
Mate what happened to kane
mortal shore
Doesnt make sense to me
devout edge
Mate what happened to kane
Kane is still class
solid verge
Oh my God
misty light
Yeah but last few games he's been doing nothing in my opinion
mortal shore
Mate what happened to kane
Getting hojlund treatment
solid verge
16 shots and 0 on target, what a nightmare
solar burrow
I know what Bayern needs: Sadio Mane
misty light
I know what Bayern needs: Sadio Mane
Best player in the world
dull skiff
We could’ve kept the game 0-0 if upa didn’t sell 🤦♂️
devout edge
Yeah but last few games he's been doing nothing in my opinion
Yh
fathom basin
16 shots and 0 on target, what a nightmare
17 actually 🤓
solar burrow
1 shot on target in the last 2 matches
solid verge
That's actually crazy
misty light
Kane the second hes about to win a trophy
scarlet anvil
Kane not showing up when it matters
misty light
Turns into Barcelona braithwajte
strong saddle
My club has been destroyed
scarlet anvil
It’s why England need Toney instead of Kane starting
misty light
Like swear he can bloody batter an opposition in a normal league game but when it comes to big games it's like he's allergic to trophies bloody hell
World cup quarters, UCL final, like come on mate
solid verge
My club has been destroyed
Bayern fans when their team doesn't win a single trophy this season:
strong saddle
It's that bad
solid verge
Lol
strong saddle
See we've always been an attacking team
solid verge
I understand I guess
strong saddle
And it's been the polar opposite
solid verge
Yeah seeing Bayern perform this poor is unusual
ancient moth
You think Tuchel will be expelled
solar burrow
What is it again? 11 straight top finishes?
strong saddle
Yes
solid verge
Tuchel is also a very pessimistic man, he's probably spreading negativity in the dressing room, they're all depressed
strong saddle
Plus six Ucls, two of which have come during our league run
strong saddle
Tuchel is also a very pessimistic man, he's probably spreading negativity in the...
He needs to go
solar burrow
The people are tired
strong saddle
Listen idc if we lose the league, but what I do want is for us to start playing like a proper team
solid verge
It's just a nightmare
solid verge
Absolutely
astral ravine
Bayern need a world class manager
doesn't even have to be world class
hansi flick was a regio level manager before becoming bayern's coach
strong saddle
Someone whose tactics involve attacking
solar burrow
Nagelsmann was better
They fired the man mid-season then they packed their bags and left
cobalt sky
hansi flick was a regio level manager before becoming bayern's coach
Can we have hansi pls
astral ravine
They fired the man mid-season then they packed their bags and left
they fired him mid season just to get fired themselves
astral ravine
no shot (on target)
solar burrow
Idk if they knew they were gonna get fired but if they did, that was an absolute power move
astral ravine
kahn was bound to get fired with or without the nagelsmann sacking
that jus sped it up
strong saddle
Replace morinhos face with flicks
astral ravine
that's just as bad 😭
humble trench
I'm surprised German fans wanting Flick back
Considering all the hate he got in his most recent stint
With the national team
astral ravine
i've been saying i don't think the german players will be too happy to see him back
humble trench
Even tho it was mostly on the players, apart from his odd controversial choices in the last two months or so
ancient moth
That wouldn't be any better because he has a completely different playing style
strong saddle
We're gonna get some random manager
devout edge
doesn't even have to be world class
I mean Bayern are a world class team
So they should aim for a world class manager potentially
astral ravine
it can be a world class team with managers of any level if they have the right system
solid verge
We're gonna get some random manager
Mr. Dinkelberg 
astral ravine
it's crazy how much of a difference taking out the fast players in the team makes
ancient moth
The best option would be to bring Nagelsmann back
astral ravine
that's also one of the most unrealistic options
devout edge
Mourinho at FC Bayern Munchen
devout edge
Mourinho's a class manager with a long CV
devout edge
https://vxtwitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1757892293657334248?s=20
Germans are racist asf
I'm not surprised
astral ravine
https://vxtwitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1757892293657334248?s=20
they played lazio what did they expect to happen 💀