Mothra Moll & Lora guide

[jolly thicket]

since the angel's so much more advanced functionality-wise than the mothra and genjintch, you've really gotta wonder if they finished the dev cycles on them earlier and just waited to release them until the movies came out

[magic sail]

I think i did it

[jolly thicket]

eggy wegg....

[magic sail]

I feel like i can almost breathe.

[carmine valve]

Man I got Mothra Leo again instead of the twins 😭 Where did I go wrong

The only things I can think of is I either calculated the kill time wrong or at some point slipped out of the weight range at exactly the wrong time

[magic sail]

Scared I got a care mistake as a grub for sickness

Is it 15 minutes like a regular care mistake?

[mint hazel]

I thought it needed to be Leo for another 80 hours then it evolves into the twins

Unless I misunderstood

[magic sail]

Reading again yeah

Ugh

I thought mothra leo the 2nd immediately turned into the twins

[mint hazel]

Yeah unfortunately it seems like you have to go through the whole process

[bronze cliff]

I dont think so, it would be pretty mean if it was since they dont call out when sick. You can get away with a couple care mistakes in little grub stage anyway

Finally remembered to put on my mushiking lanyard! It fits so well.
Also it's mothra death day 😭

https://youtu.be/ndZ6B1EaJEs
If there's any other Jesus Christ Superstar fans here, just know I've had Before I Change My Mind stuck in my head all day and it's breaking my heart

[mint hazel]

I think I just got care mistakes on my Leo I want to cry

When the hearts are empty is there any way to tell if it's been more than 15 minutes or not

[rancid pilot]

Yeah i was in the middle of getting 5 cms and she got sick halfway it seems :(

So i wasn't able to finish getting the 5

[bronze cliff]

Was the call light still on?

[mint hazel]

Yes

[bronze cliff]

Okay it's not a care mistake then, unless both meters are empty

[mint hazel]

But idk since both hunger and happiness were empty

[bronze cliff]

Hmm

Might still be okay

[mint hazel]

Happiness tends to drop a bit before hunger but there's no way for me to tell right

[bronze cliff]

I think the care mistake timer resets when another meter empties

But if there was over 15 mins between drops then it would be a care mistake

[mint hazel]

Does it??? I'll wait for more info cause I don't want to reset unless it's really necessary

If I did make a mistake I'll know for sure when it dies right cause it won't lay an egg

[bronze cliff]

I think it can still lay an egg if its had a care mistake but i might be wrong

[mint hazel]

But it won't be able to evolve into the twins?

[bronze cliff]

Nope :​(

[mint hazel]

So I could spend another 2 weeks doing this for nothing because I don't know whether I made a care mistake or not

This sucks so much

[bronze cliff]

You might be better off resetting? Because then you'll know for sure

[mint hazel]

I'm trying to time how long of a gap there is between the happiness dropping and the hunger dropping

But idk if they drop at a consistent rate or not but happiness always drops first idk

[bronze cliff]

@jolly thicket might have the timings for exactly how long things take to drop

[magic sail]

I think mothra leo is around 1 heart per hour

[mint hazel]

The happiness dropped from 4 to 3 over 30 minutes ago and hunger is still at full so if it's that long between then I definitely got a care miss

[jolly thicket]

70 minutes for hungry heart to drop and 75 minutes for happy heart to drop

and yes if both the meters were empty, it can register 2 care mistakes so you can't know for sure whether it registered one if the light was still on

idk if i would reset though

[bronze cliff]

Leo's got 1 heart left in each meter 😭 she's gonna start beeping soon. So sad

Shes sad!! This is heartbreaking

[mint hazel]

It's so hard to decide what to do

Do you know if it's true that it'll still lay an egg even if I got a care mistake?

I'd be happy to wait 4 days to see if it lays an egg or not but doing a full 2 weeks more to see if I can get the twins feels like I should just reset

[carmine valve]

Oh really? This whole time I was under the impression the second go around you got the twins instead of Mothra Leo that’s crazy

[bronze cliff]

Got my egg!

I feel SO BAD

Usually with the vintages I just pause them when they're adults, and then the next reset doesn't feel so bad

I never usually see them die

[carmine valve]

Idk if you had the sound on but the sound on vintage deaths is crazy @-@

[jolly thicket]

It is true, laying an egg doesn't guarantee you met the conditions. Literally any adult can lay an egg as long as it lived long enough

I think my recommendation would be based on how much longer you have until you need to kill mothra leo

Like if you're already close, you may as well just stick it out imo

[bronze cliff]

I DID
I WAS SO SAD

I took a video but my mum randomly talks halfway through haha

[jolly thicket]

hello again... i missed them evolving lol

[bronze cliff]

CUTIES

[jolly thicket]

just got back from a bike ride, it was still mothra leo, i checked in on discord and looked down and there they were. Back to bless my timeline

[bronze cliff]

Rip Leo I loved you so much

I havent reset yet cause I'm a bit too busy for baby hour rn

And maybe its good to take a little break
But I'll probs do it this evening

And I mean A+C reset, not with the reset button!

[jolly thicket]

yea dont use the reset button 😂

[bronze cliff]

Omg the little sprite when she laid the egg though
It was so cute

Cause she's look SO SAD when she's sick, but then it was one final happy sprite

[jolly thicket]

yeah it's surprisingly moving lol

[magic sail]

Yeah!

The whole thing is poetic

[bronze cliff]

The.... rebirth of mothra

Omg I cant think about it too much cause it makes me sad

I didnt watch any of the movies with her!

I wish I'd killed her just by lowering her hunger. I feel bad her happiness was 0 😭

No no don't think about it

I'm very normal about my little bug

[jolly thicket]

her spirit lives on in her child. Reincarnation

evolution window for twins, so probably kill them in the afternoon or evening on friday
best case: 2024-06-27 14:42:00
worst case: 2024-06-28 09:41:00

[bronze cliff]

Good luck!!

You're on round 3, aren't you?

[jolly thicket]

Yep.... this is 2nd twins

1 more twins then grave

[bronze cliff]

Yesss

[carmine valve]

On the one hand I'm glad I didn't actually mess up the twins but on the other knowing you have to get Leo again everytime adds like three weeks to how long I thought it was gonna take to get Haka-kun

[bronze cliff]

YUP it's so long 😭

[jolly thicket]

yeah i have like. 6 weeks left to go roughly

[carmine valve]

Feels like it's closer to three months than two

[jolly thicket]

yeah i will have been going for a little less than 3 months when i get it. If i get it

[ashen pewter]

Are these all of the Moll & Lora sprites? I made this back when someone got them through the battery glitch. Now that the method has been figured out are any sprites missing?

[jolly thicket]

I think that's right

[magic sail]

Leafy Sleepy

[bronze cliff]

This device has so many less sprites than the santa haha. I remember when teethy and I were trying to get them all, i still think there's some we didn't get

[jolly thicket]

Yeah its actually noticeable how few sprites there are

because when it's doing its usual animation, it's clearly just mirrored from 1 direction to the other lol

[mint hazel]

I think my problem is it's the first round so there's at least 2 weeks more to go resetting and doing the 8 days again I was up to is probably the wiser move but it's also painful lol

[mint hazel]

I'm so curious to see this

[magic sail]

Hoping for my 3 justice calls in Larva stage

One down

If those are out of the way early it is mostly smooth sailing

Im nervous because on my p2 by all estimates I should have gotten mimitchi and the only thing could have happened is I made some care mistake a long the way and got Pochi. I hope i dont screw Mothra Leo II up

[jolly thicket]

i think ive seen some people say that they missed a discipline call after getting 100% discipline and then got pochitchi/ginjirotchi

[carmine valve]

Yeah all it takes to get pochitchi is missing a single discipline call when you had perfect care otherwise

[jolly thicket]

and that's even if it had 100% discipline right lol

[carmine valve]

Yep

On the P1/P2 it goes by missing the calls rather than the meter like the Mothra does

[jolly thicket]

the rereleases are bonkers. im gonna stick with my 90s p1/p2 😂

right

[carmine valve]

And on the rereleases they call more times than necessary to fill it

[jolly thicket]

i dont remember if the osu/mesu punish you for missing discipline calls that were made after the meter was full

[magic sail]

Oh thats cruel!!

The sound is a little funny on mine so i must have missed that extra call

Probably after i filled the meter

Cause i assumed it was like mothra and i could ignore more discipline calls

Glad to know i can still do perfect care

Gonna keep up my timer skills too. Timing each stage now

If I get the twins im gonna do a photoshoot and get the image blown up for a canvas print

[bronze cliff]

Can't wait to see them, you always take really great photos of your tamas

[serene current]

wondering if they intentionally picked 39 candies because of the “thank you” pun

[bronze cliff]

I think it might be because Leo starts at 60t and thats 39 away from 99. Although a snack actually adds 2 tonnes, so it's not the amount of snacks you need to max the weight

[serene current]

hmm maybe!!

[jolly thicket]

No, it's... its complicated

Basically every character has a specific number associated with it

which determines its base chance for sickness

then you have to add enough to that number to get 14

[magic sail]

Rhubie i pocket dialed you somehow

Sorry

[jolly thicket]

so for mothra leo the number is 1 so 1 + (39/3) = 14

[magic sail]

I didnt even know discord could call wtf

[jolly thicket]

lol its fine

[serene current]

oh fun, love that funky math

[magic sail]

39 as a pun for thank you is a fun idea though

[jolly thicket]

Yeah. it's more likely that they picked how likely each character is to get sick first, then the secret immortality thing was a side effect

[serene current]

2nd attempt to get mothra’s egg… following rhubarb’s method of feeding first and then playing to 78 this time

[jolly thicket]

Hell Yea... i like my method...

i was gonna change it up a bit for the next round though, where i work to 79 and then change the order i feed/play game in. So i play game first, then feed, always keeping me in the 70s

[serene current]

it’s better than my “freak out and accidentally feed too many candy” method loll

[jolly thicket]

[magic sail]

I felt that the weight was creeping too quickly for me to have kept mothra in the 70s range the whole time

At least thats how time FELT like it was moving in tendem with the weight

[jolly thicket]

it shouldn't creep too quickly

[magic sail]

It look like 8 hours to go from 79 to 78 and then to 77 felt quicker

I killed mothra at 77

[bronze cliff]

I hate having to exit out of the game when I'm playing, so keeping the weight steady for the whole 80 hours would've got on my nerves

I didnt have any trouble keeping track of my hours really

[magic sail]

Same. I think getting to around 50 or 60 and then cruising it the rest of the way is pretty reasonable

[carmine valve]

Waiting to get the right weight made me nervous but I also don't like quitting the game so that's why I settled on the "don't bother with immortality until they get sick a couple times" strat

[bronze cliff]

Yeah same here

[magic sail]

Yeah mine got sick twice too

[bronze cliff]

I knew I could feed more snacks if I needed

Cause once you immortality strat, you can't feed any more snacks

[carmine valve]

Yeah

[bronze cliff]

I only had 1 sickness

[magic sail]

Did you stop partway through the immortal candy number

[bronze cliff]

Yeah I fed 9 candies to get her weight to 78

But I did it closer to the 70 hour mark

So for most of her life she had a low chance of sickness

[magic sail]

I did them all at once for no room for me to make a mistake

[bronze cliff]

Here's my lil note where i planned it all

[magic sail]

Lots of strategies for these results

This is a super fun challenge!

[mint hazel]

Yeah I can't lie even making a mistake 8 days in and having to restart I'll just be even more satisfied when I actually get the twins

Haven't actually restarted yet though I'm still playing around with timing how long the hearts empty to try and estimate how likely it is that I got a care miss but I think I'm just coping at this point

[jolly thicket]

the time difference between a happy & a hungry heart dropping changes over time, you could theoretically measure it and work backwards to figure out when they probably beeped lol

that's what https://rhubarbtart.neocities.org/file/simulation_results.txt shows, the time difference between hearts emptying over time. Because i wanted to know why it seemed like the happy hearts sometimes emptied twice for a single hungry heart emptying

im not positive those results are correct, in this run the weight crept down by 1 more ton than you'd expect from that text file, but at least that's the gist lol

[magic sail]

Getting godzilla prepped me forsure

[mint hazel]

Hey that list is super helpful thanks, I'll see if I can measure it and work backwards like you said

One question though, what does delta refer to? I don't get that bit

Oh time between drops

[jolly thicket]

yeah exactly, the time from the last drop (either hungry or happy)

it might be wrong but at least you can see the cycles

[mint hazel]

Yeah this is super helpful, just from looking at it though if the time is consistent between runs then my run is definitely messed up. But if it's not consistent I'll have to figure out where in the cycle I'm up to

[magic sail]

Got 3 larval calls luckily

[mint hazel]

Oh also if you know, someone else mentioned if the second call for help goes off when the first one hasn't finished yet it resets the timer for both? Is that true

[mint hazel]

Also if you tracked your heart drops could you not arrange for the double heart drop to occur while you only have 1 happiness heart left therefore only allowing 1 heart to drop and avoiding the weight loss

Maybe too much effort I guess if other easier strategies are effective but just a thought

[jolly thicket]

No that was fake news. The Mothra keeps track of the countdown to each care mistake type separately so if the other one goes off, the existing one will still cause a mistake to happen

(Side note: that IS how the original P1/P2 worked but they made it smarter for the mothra)

[jolly thicket]

Probably but i wouldnt mess with that because you're getting dangerously close to a care mistake lol. And there's not a lot of benefit because there's not any real danger that it would creep below 70 as long as you started from 78-79

[mint hazel]

Okay cool good to know

[mint hazel]

Makes sense no worries thanks for confirming

So I need for there to have been less than 15 minutes between the hearts dropping to have had a chance of catching both care mistakes at once does not look good for me

[mint hazel]

Lol the intervals the hearts drop at doesn't seem to match it's driving me insane.

10:58 for a happiness drop then
11:20 for a hunger drop. Doesn't match anything. I check them both the minute before and the heart hadn't dropped yet so I know my times are definitely right

A 22 minute gap doesn't make sense

I'll keep tracking times and see if I can find any pattern

[devout pawn]

Oh god, could you imagine the other vintages with the amplified speakers of the English P1/P2 rereleases?

[jolly thicket]

that's interesting, i've never tracked it closely but i definitely thought from the code that the time to decrement hearts got reset after evolution. so if my simulation WERE correct, it would be perfect every time

it's possible that because the clock doesn't run perfectly in real-time that you're not going to get perfect results

[devout pawn]

IIRC type two Tamatchi/Tongaritchi on the OGs are theoretically capable of evolving into Ginjirotchi/Pochitchi, but can't because of the inherent discipline mistakes required to get them in the first place

[jolly thicket]

Indeed

they're in the growth chart but not attainable. it's true

it simplifies getting the secret character though because you can basically just take perfect care at that point to get the adult, and then the care taken for the secret character doesnt matter (wiki is wrong i believe)

[devout pawn]

I never got the chance to experiment with that, all I did was find out that type two Obotchi/Ojyotchi can't evolve into Pyonchitchi/Pyonkotchi

[jolly thicket]

i just remember getting a type two teen once when i wasnt expecting it

so maybe i missed a discipline call somewhere without realizing. Idk

[devout pawn]

Because everything after TMP1 is linear outside of TMP degeneration, it's so hard to tell what's what

Really wish the screws in my Osutchis weren't busted so I could run two pairs at once, let alone a single pair at once

[mint hazel]

I guess but I keep comparing it to my pc and when the time is xx:xx:19 on the pc it'll be xx:xx:00 on the tamagotchi. I'm sure it'd lose some seconds over time but not 2 whole minutes that fast

I am consistently getting around 50ish minutes for the happiness to drop and then around 20 minutes for the hunger to drop but I only just nailed down 2 exact times

[devout pawn]

I've only raised one Zatchi on the CD-ROM and with a type two Pochitchi that had zero CMs (and during adulthood only, zero DMs), so I can't tell if it's true that all type two Maskutchi/Zuccitchi are guaranteed to evolve into the secret character

Nor do I know if it relies on discipline fullness or discipline mistakes, as it's like the Osu/Mesu where calls can still occur after filling it

[jolly thicket]

it's true in the original models that type two maskutchi/zuccitchi are guaranteed to evolve

CD-ROM is an entirely different thing so it can do whatever it wants lol

[devout pawn]

Don't really have much of an opportunity to experiment with it because laptops are nowhere as mobile as actual vpets, and the care centre can only do so much

On the rereleases at least, I know from experience that you cannot trigger evolution if you get DMs with a type two Maskutchi/Zuccitchi

[jolly thicket]

that's somewhat consistent with my simulation but the deltas would be changing over time. But yeah i can't explain why it's 2 minutes off like that for you unless it's some weird artifact of pausing or i just dont understand fully how it works lol

yeah the rereleases are also basically an entirely different thing in my mind and they can do whatever they like lol

[devout pawn]

It's so weird

My Mimitchi's hearts were synced up until heart loss degeneration started

[mint hazel]

Yeah I'm gonna take a few more times down I have one theory but I'll have to wait and see

[devout pawn]

And the poop counter isn't exactly three hours, so every now and then it's 181 mins instead of 180

[mint hazel]

I also haven't paused the clock once since I started the run

[mint hazel]

I just watched the heart drop while I was looking at it lol I've never seen that before

I guess that's what I get by monitoring it so closely

Interestingly it didn't drop at the 00 on the seconds it dropped at like 07 or 08

[bronze cliff]

Bug just woke me up at 4am
Turns out he did Not pause when I put him to bed at midnight
So uhhhhh. That sucks

[mint hazel]

Oh no

[bronze cliff]

I did actually hear a tower attack around 1am but I thought I'd dreamt it haha

Okay so I guess I'll have to reset 😭 but not now cause its 4am ffs

[carmine valve]

Nooooo! 😱

If it's the toddler stage couldn't you technically scoot by you'd just have to do more calls in the teen stage?

[bronze cliff]

Possibly, I'll think about it more when I'm actually awake. I've missed 1-2 tower attacks (I have a vague memory of hearing a 2nd?) And then also probably a CM

He was full bars at midnight, woke me up at 4am with both meters empty

I'll let the child stage play out before resetting
For now though, bug is paused for real this time!

[jolly thicket]

it's ok to miss tower calls as child, it just means you start off with 0 justice as teen. But you should still be able to get mothra leo. Oh but if you made 3+ care mistakes then yeah thatd be batora grub lol

(the calls in teen stage, you cannot miss)

[jolly thicket]

most timers aren't based off the clock that you set so this isn't too surprising

[mint hazel]

That makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the numbers I'm recording :') I'm waiting for one more recording before I stop for now but hunger actually seems to drop faster than happiness for me

At least so far while doing the recording

[jolly thicket]

hunger is 70 minutes and happy is 75 so that tracks

[mint hazel]

Really when I did the calculations on your simulation it seemed to be the other way around that happiness was 70 and hunger was 75

Happy 139 - 69 = 70
Hunger 149 - 74 = 75

Which explains why happiness drops 2 every now and then

[jolly thicket]

Lol maybe i got it twisted when i was reading the code

[mint hazel]

But you definitely saw the weight drop over your run so it dropping 2 happiness at once would make sense

I've finished my calculations anyway

Hunger drop ~8.54am
Happiness drop ~9:42am
Hunger drop ~10:04am
Happiness drop 10:58am
Hunger drop 11:20am
Happiness drop 12:12pm
Hunger drop 12:32pm
Happiness drop 1:28pm
Hunger drop 1:44pm

The early ones have a ~ because they weren't precise to the minute but it would have been around that time

The ones I was sure about show a 75-76 minute wait for happiness drop and a 72 minute wait for hunger drop

Working backwards means it would have dropped a happiness around 8:13pm last night which tracks because I know for sure it had dropped one by 8:16 cause I checked on it about 5 minutes apart

Which means it dropped its last happiness around 6:58pm and then last hunger at 7:32pm. I checked on it around 7:35pm and caught the hunger call but the happiness call was definitely long gone and so I'm now about 98% sure I have a care miss

Time to start over this is so sad it sucks that getting a care miss prevents it from laying the moll and lora egg

[jolly thicket]

these numbers are consistent with hunger being 70 and happy being 75 lol except for the hunger at 10:04 and 11:20

[mint hazel]

Yeah I'm sure the earlier ones are a few minutes off

Attempt 5 for me

[jolly thicket]

good luck

[bronze cliff]

My bug has a death wish hahaha
He just unpaused himself in my pocket and thankfully I was in a spot where I could help him

No way of knowing for sure, I think im nearing 3 care mistakes though

[magic sail]

Today is an evolution day

[jolly thicket]

twins got sick today

[magic sail]

Got Mothra Grub. 3 days approx till Mothra Leo

Timer started

[bronze cliff]

Here's my proof to myself that I actually paused this silly grub tonight

[jolly thicket]

Considering doing immortality strat on twins... hmmm

Lemme double-check in emulator that it's 33 candies for them 😂

[carmine valve]

Does Haka-kun have an immortality number? Is it just 33 like the twins?

[jolly thicket]

yes & yes

[carmine valve]

Seems like a good thing to do after all the work it takes to get it

[jolly thicket]

alright i just fed them hopefully 33 candies 😂

[magic sail]

Only one cal left

[jolly thicket]

Protect 🗼

[magic sail]

The first mothra movie was really good. I love how Mothra represents traditional values and a monumental history that cannot be simply destroyed but is reborn again and again. Especially when it fights Godzilla which represents nuclear warfare

[bronze cliff]

FUCK

Paused that lil idiot

Not dealing with that rn lol

I'm so mad

Stupid bug had a death wish so stupid bug has to die

[carmine valve]

How dare he D:<

[bronze cliff]

I just dont know if im ready to do it all again omg

I loved my lil Leo so much but I've hated Bug from the beginning

I dont think Bug was even reincarnated from Leo. Hate that guy

[carmine valve]

An imposter
These runs are so crazy though because they take so long and they're so unforgiving >.<

[bronze cliff]

Its what I get for keeping my guy awake too long. I was sooooo sleepy when i failed to pause him

But if he didn't take so long to evolve, I wouldn't have to keep him up!

[carmine valve]

Yeah the allure of getting the extra hours in. I found myself wanting to stay up later to get more Mothra waking hours in

[bronze cliff]

When I was in the Leo stage I had to make sure i was awake at 8am every day so i could get my 16 hours haha

8am til midnight
Bug grind never stops 💪

...actually, I think i am proof that bug grind DOES stop

[magic sail]

Fuck my life

I missed a justice call by a second

Oh wait i got it

Bar is full

[jolly thicket]

join real time gang

im just turtlin' along

btw in general it may be wise to replace batteries if you have to restart run lol. Just in case

[bronze cliff]

Aaagh so true

Curse this silly bug

Ill give it new batteries tonight and then start fresh tomorrow

Cause I know in the morning im not leaving my bed to mess around with batteries

I think I'll die if join real time gang though that's sooo slow

[jolly thicket]

[bronze cliff]

Even though slowpoke is my fave pokemon

[jolly thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-gif-21069694

[jolly thicket]

twins didn't get sick today so that probably means i did immortality strat right 😌

unless they got sick in the 3 minutes i wasnt watching them before they went to sleep

[eager citrus]

i'm about to hit 81 hours with mothra leo, once there am i good to start getting care mistakes or should i wait longer

[jolly thicket]

you should be good to start getting care mistakes, i usually wait until the day after i hit 80 hours though just to be safe lol

[eager citrus]

i'll go ahead and let its hearts drop then

[bronze cliff]

Omg I just changed the batteries without it resetting

I feel like a wizard

Too bad I hate this bug and need it to die

[jolly thicket]

you changed the batteries but didn't reset it?

[mint hazel]

What is your secret

[bronze cliff]

It was on the clock screen, I took the batteries out and then dropped new ones in. There was maybe 5 seconds between the old and new batteries? I thought it was weird it didn't beep, turned it over and it was still on the clock screen 😅

I feel bad cause I reset it literally right after haha

[mint hazel]

Was it showing signs of being on low battery or were you just changing them to be safe?

[bronze cliff]

Im starting a new run, but I've used these batteries for 3 weeks already so I changed them to be safe

[mint hazel]

Makes sense, I was wondering how long I should use mine before I change them hahaha

[eager citrus]

mothra leo should die really soon, even tho i know i did everything right i'm so nervous i still messed something up nbfgjkbnfgjk

for the second run you repeat the same and when leo dies you get moll & lora, right ?

this run is honestly the most stressful i think i've done on any tama, including getting ningyotchi on the ocean

not even bc it's hard it's just like. so much waiting and time for uncertainty to build up

[carmine valve]

Almost the same except for the Leo dying part. Pretty sure Leo just evolves into the twins the second time around

[magic sail]

Agreed, waiting is really challenging

We can do it though

[eager citrus]

that's a little best less stressful yay

i should be starting the second run within the hour? waiting for the last care mistake on leo

and i was at like 84 hours before getting any care mistakes

[magic sail]

My leo died within a couple hours of empty hearts

[jolly thicket]

yeah you're probably good. You can record when the first beeps for attention occur and calculate when it'll die, to give yourself more confidence you hit the window correctly lol

yeah it only takes like 2-3 hours to die if you let both hungry & happy empty

[eager citrus]

i let them empty and once the mistake is counted fill them one heart and let it empty again

he laid an egg!!

[jolly thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/easter-egg-dog-grooming-oval-gif-13997020

[magic sail]

https://tenor.com/view/chansey-egg-gif-23786299

[serene current]

yay egg!! i’ve done the math and my second attempt should end up on the 29th

so far so good 👍 i am down to 73 tons having kept hearts full, though so idk if i’ll have to feed emergency candy on the last day yet

[jolly thicket]

73 seems kind of low for where you are, did you accidentally lose a couple games or get 5 vs 0 or something?

Feeding an emergency candy should be fine though, but i'm guessing you'll be at like 70-71 when you hit 80 hours

[serene current]

i think i accidentally got a 5/0 today.. in the previous 2 days, i did the feed one, play one method. i needed some extra games to restore up to full happiness hearts at end of day. i always quit if i don’t get 3 correct and 1 wrong at 4 guesses

still at 73 atm and mothra went to sleep with one empty happy heart

if not due to error in games, i’m wondering if not clearing poop quickly makes happiness drop faster (and what the time limit is)

[jolly thicket]

that's not a thing afaik

[magic sail]

I hope tomorrow Leo

Then home stretch

Also my tamaotch and genjintch arrive

[jolly thicket]

got twins down to 1 ton as god intended. even 1 ton seems like a lot though 😂

[carmine valve]

Maybe they're secretly very tall lol

[bronze cliff]

Maybe they're teeny tiny but the in device counter rounds it up

[jolly thicket]

.000001 ton rounding to 1 ton make it make sense

itd be funny if you could work them down to 0, missed opportunity imo

[magic sail]

Teeny tiny ladies, but very very very dense

[carmine valve]

They just sink immediately in water

[magic sail]

Klinx you must be on the brink!

https://tenor.com/view/mothra-rebirth-of-mothra-ghogo-children-the-elias-gif-23833730

[wide flax]

theyre just like me fr

[carmine valve]

They’re here at last!!

[bronze cliff]

YOU DID IT!!!!

Amazing!!

[carmine valve]

I almost gasped they caught me off guard XD

[wide flax]

[jolly thicket]

hell yea!!!

[magic sail]

Klinx omg!!!

#twinner!!!

[carmine valve]

[magic sail]

Im starting to feel the timer for mothra internally. I think mines evolving to leo today

[mint hazel]

Wow!!!! Congrats you got them!!

[magic sail]

Klinx is helping me see the light at the end of the mothra shaped tunnel

[magic sail]

Cocoon Hour has arrived!!

[bronze cliff]

Yay!! Nearly leo time!!

[magic sail]

I wonder why mothra didnt get a tap function

Attacks would make sense on a device about kaiju

[carmine valve]

Get attacked by the army XD

[magic sail]

Mothra Leo II

[serene current]

yayy good job klinx!!! winningg

and yeeehaw arbu 🙏 good luck on your round 2..

went from 73 down to 70 today and i still have 1 heart empty about an hour and a half before sleeping (~60 hours in) 😓 i know i didn't mess up and get any 5/0 games or losses today

[serene current]

ok phew, we got another hungry heart so we’re probably sleeping at 70 tonight

[jolly thicket]

i just remembered it doesnt matter what care you take of the twins as long as they live long enough to die of care mistakes (64 hours worst case) so i'm not waiting tomorrow, gonna let the hearts empty right after they wake up even if my calculations were wrong and i get a care mistake before the window closes, it won't matter

the timing is gonna work out perfectly for when the hearts empty & when the 64 hour mark passes

[rancid pilot]

OMGGG CONGRATS!!!

[mint hazel]

I'm on the grub stage again and it's been nearly 2 days and I haven't caught a single justice call yet 😭 I've really been keeping my eye on it while working and I haven't seen a single one. I hope I haven't missed too many

[jolly thicket]

i had a dream last night that in order to discipline the mothra it made you play a game. And i kept losing it 😂 😭

[jolly thicket]

you can still get mothra leo if this happens it just means your teen starts with 0 discipline. but you MUST catch all calls in the teen stage

[rancid pilot]

ive started dual wielding mothras in the hopes that one of them might succeed 😭

[jolly thicket]

[devout pawn]

The devs really wanted us to suffer, didn't they?

[jolly thicket]

[jolly thicket]

see u in two weeks...

hopefully this run should be pretty chill since i'm off work next week. when i go back to work i should have mothra leo again

baby hour time...

[mint hazel]

Sorry this is the teen stage. I got 2 on the child stage. So I just need 2 more but I haven't seen a single one

[jolly thicket]

it can be like 15-16 hours between calls i think. At most

(waking hours)

[bronze cliff]

I'm a lil worried I haven't heard any calls from my big grub yet. I hope I haven't missed any

[jolly thicket]

yeah catching discipline calls is definitely the most stressful part of any vintage tama lol

[magic sail]

TamaOtch is like 1 per day apparently. Havent seen one yet

[jolly thicket]

first justice call at 3:06 PM... that's good timing i want to take a nap without worrying if it'll call lol

altho i only do 10 minute powernaps so even if the call itself didnt wake me up, i probably wouldnt miss it......

[jolly thicket]

Didn't get any more justice calls today if i'd gotten all 3 today i wouldnt have to pause it when i go out biking tomorrow

[magic sail]

Skipping sleep by pause seems to delay evolution on TamaOtch, Mothra is measuring waking hours right?

[serene current]

success for the last full day of my redemption round for the faeries 🫡 now i have 6 more hours to keep mothra alive and then we start this all over again for moll & lora

2 happy hearts and no emergency candy needed… i’ve been timing it and he gets hungry about every 2 hours atm so i will more than likely get some chances to recover happiness in that 6 hour window before we begin care mistakes

[bronze cliff]

I havent heard any justice calls since my grub evolved yesterday 😭 I'm feeling very worried I missed them somehow

[mint hazel]

Yeah I've just had another full day of no calls and I had it with me all day with the sound on there's no way I would have missed one

I feel like they must have all happened early on when I wasn't paying enough attention bc I'm pretty sure it'll evolve tomorrow and I'll have to restart

[bronze cliff]

🤝

I'm starting to lose count of my attempts haha

[mint hazel]

This is my 5th one but I imagine it'll be my 6th starting tomorrow lol

[carmine valve]

This run takes no prisoners

[mint hazel]

I love the challenge so I won't give up

[jolly thicket]

Just keep in mind it's either 15 or 16 waking hours between calls in the worst case lol, so you could, theoretically, go a full day without a call

Well 7 or 8 for child, 15 or 16 for teen

[bronze cliff]

Usually I get them out the day within a few hours so it's not feeling good

[jolly thicket]

actually i think the way it works, it's 9 hours worst case for the child and 16 hours worst case for the teen

if you were getting them that fast, you were just getting lucky lol

i think it's a 25% chance of calling if im reading the code right

[bronze cliff]

I paused him for now cause I don't need those bad vibes haha

Gonna enjoy my weekend without a stupid bug

[jolly thicket]

[mint hazel]

Yeah I often seem to get the calls pretty early on

But I'll hold out hope that the last few are just late

[jolly thicket]

yeah i'm reasonably confident that it really is just a 25% chance of calling, so it's not too surprising if they take a while

[mint hazel]

25% per what amount of time?

[jolly thicket]

hour

[mint hazel]

But surely that would stack up quite fast

If it's awake for 12 hours a day with a 1/4 chance every hour then you'd expect to get 3 calls in a day

[magic sail]

Somehow mothras candy was selected and i didnt notice

I just gave it 3

[mint hazel]

The candy is selected usually if the last thing you gave it was the candy

[magic sail]

But that means if it was pre set I must have gin jt one already

[mint hazel]

Yeah

[magic sail]

Shiiit

So its at least had 4

[jolly thicket]

wait are we talking about the teen or the child. I keep forgetting lol

[mint hazel]

I'm on the teen stage

[magic sail]

If i dont know how many it had i cant do immortality anymore

[mint hazel]

Is yours currently Mothra Leo?

[magic sail]

Yea

I hadnt seen it get a candy though

Ive been really diligent

[mint hazel]

Play it on the side of caution and then if it gets sick feed it an additional candy? Idk

[magic sail]

My weight now says 69

How much does candy increase weight

[jolly thicket]

2

[mint hazel]

Did you feed it the regular food as well?

[magic sail]

Yes pretty sure 1 and i got a 5 to 0 win first thing

so4 candies and 1 food

Would make 9 from base weight 60

Which i had forsure

My heart dropped there for a second. If not its best guess.

[jolly thicket]

yeah i think on average you'd expect 1 call every 3-4 hours, but you could get really unlucky and it might take the full 16 hours to call lol

but that's like a 1% chance of happening i think lol

[bronze cliff]

Its more likely I've missed them 😭

[magic sail]

Is it safer to try to get to 70 hours without candy from now on or to try a potentially wrong immortality strategy

[bronze cliff]

I'd say try to get to 70 hours, and only immortality strat if you've had 3 sicknesses

[magic sail]

Ok

I have had no sickness up to 21 hours

[jolly thicket]

yeah it still has a pretty low chance of getting sick. 25% at worst i think

[mint hazel]

Yeah I think I probably missed all the calls 🥲 maybe I got really unlucky and they were all on the first day and I wasn't paying enough attention

Cause I've paid super close attention through today and yesterday and didn't see a single one

[magic sail]

Ngl i wanna see battora

Twins more

But then battora

[jolly thicket]

im pretty bummed that quest for haka has me only see 1 adult and then twins for the entire run lol. i want to get battora or godzilla

[jolly thicket]

Getting the discipline calls is so stressful

you're just on pins and needles waiting for it to call. you can't leave it alone too long or you might miss it. It sucks lol

the last time mine called was at 3 PM yesterday, and it's been awake an hour today so i've definitely been getting unlucky

(pretty sure i haven't missed a call though, although i'm at child stage anyway so it's not a big deal if i miss a call)

Fun fact: the original P1/P2 has no randomness in discipline so you can predict exactly when it's going to call lol

and i did a run last year with a P1 and two P2s and my predictions were correct in all but 1 weird freak case

[magic sail]

Yeah Im feeing that pretty hard cause its the same process over and over, and im not sure how bad I want Haka kun at this point

[jolly thicket]

i dont even really want haka kun i just want to get it on a physical mothra unit to prove it's possible lol

i mean i'm positive i'm reading the code correctly and i can get it on emulator, but you never reaaaally know for sure until you get it on the real device

but idk it kind of feels macabre to take care of a grave character lol. And it's not that interesting it literally is just the grave. So if u want to see the grave that bad just kill your character. Idk

https://tenor.com/view/portlandia-goth-glare-glaring-staring-how-dare-you-gif-10396543

me after i get haka kun

[bronze cliff]

If getting the twins is this much struggle, no way I'm going for haka kun

[jolly thicket]

it does get easier once you get them once, because then you can just keep getting them on each run without having to kill a mothra leo, but yeah that might not be much consolation lol

[jolly thicket]

oh yeah another thought i had was that if i get haka kun in the game, am i gonna die in real life? idk it just feels like a bad omen

[magic sail]

The hard part is definitely waiting for leo to get to 80 hours imo

[jolly thicket]

Yea cause after that it's like. It'll either evolve or it won't. So if you keep it in the 70s the whole time like i do, you dont even need to worry about the timing

[jolly thicket]

Random extra mothra thing i realized today (since the discussion on discipline got me to double-check some of the datamined stats & mechanics): the batora grub starting with 0 justice only calls for justice 3 times, so it can't become fairy which requires 100%. Only the batora grub starting with 2 justice can become fairy

[jolly thicket]

FINALLY got a justice call lol. I think i actually did get really unlucky and it actually took the full 9 hours, where the check on the 9th hour FORCED the call

that's a 10% chance

[serene current]

hit my 80 hours yayy… proud of myself that i managed to not drop below 70 in those last couple days

now we wait for death..

[jolly thicket]

yeah it's weird that you got so low, i've only ever seen it creep down to like 72/73

and that's including usually 1 mistake where i get a 5 v 0 or lose a game lol

[serene current]

really not sure why myself, i’m almost 100% confident i didn’t make any mistakes but it’s entirely possible i accidentally played an extra game or something once or twice

[jolly thicket]

and i was pretty sure it's supposed to be deterministic so everybody would see the weight creep down by the same amount

yeah who knows lol

[serene current]

i did notice the weight kind of stopped creeping as much if i always left one happy heart empty

maybe superstition lol

[jolly thicket]

yeah im pretty that is superstition lol, i saw no evidence that the heart drop rate was anything other than fixed

for each character

unless its an adult thats getting needier

[umbral bobcat]

hoping to join y’all once I finish my lucky unchi kun run that I just messed up for the second time 🥲 I splurged and decided to get the transparent shell cause I wanted to use the blue case from the y3k bundle but the bumps around the screw holes prevent it from fitting! oh well it’s still a gorgeous unit though I wish I could touch up some of the missing paint

[jolly thicket]

very good shell...

but yeah, unfortunate that just normal use causes the paint to wear away lol

although tbf even if all the paint rubbed off, it'd still be a cool-lookin shell

got that 3rd justice call for child stage let's goooo i can mute now until teen stage

should be evolving probably tomorrow or early monday

[umbral bobcat]

yeah it’s a gorgeous dark blue, and I think the only dark blue of the vintage era?

[jolly thicket]

There is a clear dark blue umino shell too

[magic sail]

Oh i have the clear purple

[jolly thicket]

Oh its purple. Oh well im colorblind its close enough for me 😂

[magic sail]

Lol

[jolly thicket]

smh embed showing the wrong shell.

better...

[magic sail]

I knew someone else who couldnt see purple

I have the purple clear but want the clear

[jolly thicket]

i can see it, but i do frequently mistake it for blue lol

[magic sail]

Grass is greener in guess

[jolly thicket]

the other clear is nice because it has markings on it

got some extra personality..

[magic sail]

The purple is an odd color choice

The red looks like roe

Spot on for the color and opacity of fish eggs

[jolly thicket]

purple one is like uhhh... grapes... Sea grapes... yea ship it

[magic sail]

Sea grape soda

[umbral bobcat]

it would be fun to try to put the hardware from the umino into the new rerelease mermaid or tama ocean shell

[magic sail]

It doesnt fit but would have been wonderful

They need to just rerelease all the vintages

Tamao Nakamura is only 84

[umbral bobcat]

could it maybe be worked around by grinding some of the inside shell down?

[magic sail]

That I dont know

I think it was screw placement

[umbral bobcat]

ahh yeah that would mess everything up

[magic sail]

Id buy a clear blue skeleton p1

Mothra would fit in there from my understanding

Not sure which would fit uminos

[umbral bobcat]

ive been talking to someone whos partner was trying to work around getting the umino hardware into the newer ocean shell but i dont recall how theyre going about, but theyre an electrical engineer

does the mothra hardware not fit into just any ol vintage shell?

other than the p1/2?

[magic sail]

Well the cracks around the screen are like p1 p2 aand tamaotch, the crack pattern on umino and morino is different i think.

Not sure if that indicates make similarity

[jolly thicket]

teallen made a guide on this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10MC8NZfc6T9dfj11maAHazC1x1P0reczD20crL9t2gA/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[umbral bobcat]

wow thanks!

[serene current]

wahoo! egg time

[rancid pilot]

Well there goes my backup.... Safr to assume i got too many cms on mothra grub on my other one too then 😭 i had to emergency rescue a pigeon and didn't pause them agghhh

[bronze cliff]

I think I might reset again 😭
I've paused a bit so it's hard to know how long it's been without any calls in the teen stage, but im pretty sure I just got a care mistake too. AGH

This bug is not gonna be mothra leo

[rancid pilot]

The road to Moll and Lora is filled with pain and suffering and failure...

[flat tangle]

@jolly thicket you famous again xD this randomly popped in my yt shorts
https://youtube.com/shorts/CseWM5jGyos?si=RB-P_1EOUdMcr7sa

[bronze cliff]

Here we go again!

[jolly thicket]

very funny to see my unhinged neocities appear anywhere other than my browser screen

this is the best page on my neocities btw https://rhubarbtart.neocities.org/ham

[bronze cliff]

This is incredible

[umbral bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/hamtaro-intro-baile-anime-gif-21011742

this goes so hard

[umbral bobcat]

opened up the shell and I’m wondering if the metal piece that the blue wires connect to is typically this dirty or if I should clean it, also let me know if I should move this into the help channel instead

bad photo but mine can’t focus up close, it’s slightly burnt looking

[jolly thicket]

Dont they always look like that? idk

you should probably try turning it on and seeing how it sounds first

[umbral bobcat]

I’ve actually not opened up a tama before, there was some fuzz on the inside of the screen I wanted to clear and I happened to see that, but yeah sound works just fine I think

[magic sail]

Almost at 40 hours no sickness

[jolly thicket]

come on grub child... evolve plz...

itd be great if it could evolve today and make both the justice calls i need. but that's kind of unlikely

been having to pause a lot lately, had to do it yesterday, today, and then need to again tomorrow (unless i miraculously get all my justice calls before leaving the house)

[mint hazel]

Well mine turned into a bad cocoon this morning so I have restarted it this is my 6th attempt now

Going to have to be more vigilant with getting the justice calls early in the teen stage

[jolly thicket]

mine evolved into teen grub just now. What's a bad cocoon

[mint hazel]

It seems like they're heavily weighted to happen early on so I'll be more careful

Hahaha a 30t cocoon

[jolly thicket]

ah lol

[mint hazel]

Not what I'm looking for :')

[jolly thicket]

they're definitely not weighted to happen earlier

[mint hazel]

If it's 25% chance per hour then they are

Just because you don't get an unlimited amount of them

[jolly thicket]

you're right that on average, statistically, that's how it's likely to turn out

i just rankled at the implication that that's intentional from the code lol. The code is just 25% chance, it doesn't purposely TRY to make all the calls early (nor is that guaranteed, so we shouldnt treat it as weird when it doesnt work out like that. Like what happened in my child stage lol)

ANYWAY......

mothra grub went to bed finally, but i was puttering around in the kitchen for the last 15-ish minutes so god i hope it didn't call for discipline when i wasnt paying attention lol

although i heard it go to sleep from the kitchen so hopefully i would have heard a discipline call too

[mint hazel]

No I understand it doesn't try to but statistically it's more likely to because it's generally going to be 1 call every 4 hours and once it's done all its calls (3-4 from my understanding) it won't make anymore for that evolution stage

[jolly thicket]

yeah

[mint hazel]

But yeah it could end up being unlucky and not calling until it's forced to

I forget what you said the forced call point was

[jolly thicket]

we're saying the same thing and you definitely understand how it works, i just don't want misinformation to spread by accident 😂

it's 9 hours for child and 16 for teen i believe

[mint hazel]

Yes of course no worries

Ah okay perfect

I'll keep that in mind then

[magic sail]

Idk why but i picture the 80 hours of mothra as a flight, and the 70 to 80 time period is its “flying high” stage.

Im probably going to start the immortality at 60 hours

[rancid pilot]

You're not leo 😔 still cute tho

[jolly thicket]

Fairy...

[magic sail]

55 hours of mothra

Gonna immortality today

Head math was wrong, 51 hours

[magic sail]

Reminder for myself that mothra is paused while i go to doctors appointments

Thing 1 and thing 2 (tamaotchs) will coms with me

[jolly thicket]

im just waiting for justice calls today... always gonna be nervous i missed them until they get made lol

[magic sail]

Those are nerve wrecking

[jolly thicket]

got first justice call, so just 1 more 🗼

[carmine valve]

Gonna start the kill process for the twins in a couple hours
I'm not utterly sick of running my Mothra yet so might as well continue on the road to Haka-kun

[jolly thicket]

Hell yea... join me on this quest...

[jolly thicket]

yeaaaaAAAAAA got final justice. Now im just chillin till mothra leo

put another way, i only need to answer 5 more justice calls until Haka

[mint hazel]

You're so close!

I'm so excited

[jolly thicket]

pressure is on

[magic sail]

You can do it

Im about to feed enough candy for hopefully immortality

[magic sail]

55 hours

I think thats a good time right

One sickness?

Im nervous my number is going to be wrong

Should i feed only to 79 at first?

[magic sail]

Because of my mishap earlier this week

[jolly thicket]

this is the egg that's evolving into twins right? you're not killing it?

i mean you basically have 2 choices
(1) do the bare minimum to get into 70s (probably like 73-75) since you're getting there shortly before the window is supposed to open
(2) try to do immortality then work down into 70s, which if you're not sure how many candies you've fed could be risky

idk which to recommend lol

i mean if you only have 25 hours left, it may not have enough time to die from sickness anyway so there might not be any benefit trying to do immortality. Particularly if this one is supposed to become twins and you don't need extra time to kill mothra leo after

[magic sail]

Thanks!! Ill just feed to 79 tonight and keep it high

[mint hazel]

Rhubarb do you know what the code for the minigame is like? I was just curious as to how it works

[jolly thicket]

i didnt study it in that much detail but i'm pretty confident its fully random and influenced by the justice value

this is what i wrote on my mothra page

The game is random but influenced by the Justice meter - 0% Justice has the highest chance of winning a selection (68.75%), 25-50% Justice has the lowest chance (43.75%) and 75-100% has a slightly-above average chance (56.25%). There are no patterns and it doesn't matter where you select -- when you press the button the game decides whether you were correct or not and then has the character pop out of a hole accordingly. This is like the P1 game which also is not influenced by your choice of direction.

when i play i literally never select anything other than the first hole lol

[mint hazel]

Okay yeah that's also how I play hahaha

I thought it'd be something like that where the game decides if you're correct or not because if it was genuinely a 1/4 chance of getting it right winning the game would be way harder given you need to get 3/5 correct to win

[jolly thicket]

yeah it would be evil if it were a 1/4 chance

[mint hazel]

But it being somewhat based on the justice meter is very interesting

[jolly thicket]

the yasashii game feels like an actual 1/3 chance and it SUUUUUCKS

yeah i also thought the justice meter aspect was interesting. Was surprised when i saw it lol

[mint hazel]

I don't have a yasashi but that sounds really annoying hahaha

Yeah it's weird that the highest chance of winning is when the bar is empty

Mine is at 50% rn though and I felt like I was losing more than normal so good to know

[jolly thicket]

yeah i view it as being like a mercy thing for the baby stage, because otherwise the baby stage would be so much worse

[mint hazel]

I figured they just did it so it feels like the baby stage is easy

[jolly thicket]

Yeah

i dont really have a feel for the probability so the chances feel generally the same regardless of justice to me lol. But i'm sure if i recorded my game results i'd see the pattern

[mint hazel]

Then the 43% chance is meant to be the normal level and 56% is like a reward for training your tamagotchi well I guess

But if you just neglect it the whole time you'll have the best chance hahaha

Too bad that's not viable for this run

[jolly thicket]

good strat for any character other than mothra leo though lol

because you can get all the other characters with 0 justice

[mint hazel]

Sometimes it seems set to just have me fail the game like 4-5 times in a row and it's so frustrating :')

[jolly thicket]

Lol yeah

some of that too might come from the fact that it's not REALLY a random number

so if you're timing it juuust right maybe you keep landing on the same result every time lol. i'm not positive how the RNG works

i just know that the RNG values can only be that, otherwise the math that's done to generate them, and the way they're used everywhere in the code, makes no sense lol

[mint hazel]

Yeah I wondered if there was a set number of patterns and it had already selected the result before you played the game or if it was generated in the moment and you could technically manipulate it with good timing and knowing what the timing needed to be

[jolly thicket]

i'm sure the RNG does repeat after a while, but idk how often it does that

[devout pawn]

NGL sometimes I'm really tempted to write up a HobbyDrama post about the Moll and Lora saga

It was (and is) such a wild ride

[mint hazel]

This is so funny because I was thinking about doing the exact same thing on the bus to work today

Like I never write posts or anything on the internet anyway but the idea suddenly occurred to me because it's so cool

[devout pawn]

HobbyDrama's all about niche things and IMO this situation (if not Tamagotchi studies as a whole) seems pretty niche

Which is why it feels perfect for that sub

[mint hazel]

Yeah I thought the same thing it's really cool niche drama

[jolly thicket]

teen grub got sick today... hmmmm

i dont remember if it got sick yesterday lol

which means if it gets sick TOMORROW, i should probably do immortality on it

[magic sail]

So hour 72 is the earliest I can get The twins?

[jolly thicket]

72-80 yeah

[magic sail]

Possiblly tonight

[carmine valve]

My new mothra larva somehow has the absolute worst luck at the game even though that makes no sense

[jolly thicket]

RNGesus does not smile upon u today

[bronze cliff]

I just realised I've left my larvae home alone while I'm at gymnastics this evening so that guys gonna have to fend for himself

[carmine valve]

Oh no!
You're gonna come home and he will have eaten the house

[bronze cliff]

He survived! 1 care mistake but he's an itty bitty grub so that's okay

Also I'm having the same issue of terrible RNG on the game 😭 it takes about 5 games to get a win i swear

[carmine valve]

Our grubs are bad at hide and seek 😭

[jolly thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/whack-a-mole-cute-cat-funny-gif-14926253

[bronze cliff]

I have the perfect video to represent my bug i hope i can find it

[carmine valve]

Perfect XD

[jolly thicket]

0 vs 5

[devout pawn]

Sometimes I really wonder why they made so many of the games RNG

And more importantly, why Hoshi de Hakken is the only one of the raising sim games that uses the P2's numbers game

Pretty sure it's on Minna de Tamagotchi World as well, buuuut that thing's more akin to Mario Party 0 than a virtual pet

The romdump didn't indicate anything about the Mothra being like the P1 in that different characters have different game win rates, did it?

[jolly thicket]

they replaced it with a dependence on justice instead, no relation to individual characters

[devout pawn]

So there's still some form of the mechanic, even if it relies on a different variable/factor/whatever term I should be using

[jolly thicket]

i guess kind of lol

[devout pawn]

Since the Morino and Genjintch have the same(ish) game as the Mothra, it'll be interesting to find out if they do anything similar with RNG

[magic sail]

Im in the range

Nervous

Its only 8 hours

77 tons

[magic sail]

Please twins

[jolly thicket]

[magic sail]

https://tenor.com/view/the-shining-twins-holding-hands-gif-9776498

Theyre here!

[mint hazel]

Amazing post, congrats!

[jolly thicket]

you did it!!

[magic sail]

Thanks to you!!

And the support of everyone on this thread

[serene current]

yayaaa arbu!!! i'm done with my justice calls on round 2 for moll & lora so now we wait for cocoon... and then 80 more waking hours

[devout pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-more-time-gif-4816107

[magic sail]

That was like a Tamagotchi Marathon yall

Next level dedication to one device

I really learned to appreciate a device

Whoever wrote that code to get the twins intended for someone to be really attached to their tamagotchi

Flying in the hot spot time period and mercy killing mothra from sickness

Its a journey and so different from any other tama experiences I have had

Going forward ill probably include Mothra in my top 3. Thank you Queen of Monsters

[mint hazel]

Same I'm really loving the difficulty of the run

I enjoy tamagotchi challenges so much

[umbral bobcat]

whoaaaaa congrats! how long did it take

also do u run the fyeah tamagotchi tumblr?

[bronze cliff]

CONGRATS!!! So happy for yoyu!!!

[jolly thicket]

just thought of a really horrible way to prevent mothra from dying of sickness, like if you know you fucked up immortality or something...

since it calculates a random time to maybe get sick every day, if you put it to sleep and wake it up every hour, it's basically a 1/12 chance that it'll get sick during that hour. So with some luck, it wont get sick at all during the 12-hour period 😂

as opposed to ALMOST DEFINITELY getting sick during a 12-hour period if you let it run

i hope i never have to even try using that though 😂 but it might be a way to save a run that is otherwise doomed

actually it might be more like a 1/10 chance since the # of hours it rolls is between 0 and 9

[magic sail]

It was about a month! No i dont run a tumblr. Is it worth checking out?

[magic sail]

I must have been really lucky because my mothra only had one sickness before the 72 hours

[coarse whale]

Since the random time to get sick is chosen when it wakes up, what would happen if you never let it go to sleep?
I did that to my second Leo, and it only got sick twice in the entire run. Maybe I was lucky lol

[umbral bobcat]

I only ask because someone posted a photo of moll and Lora in what I figured was your shell cause I don’t think anyone else has gotten the twins yet except u and rhubarb? https://www.tumblr.com/fuckyeah-tamagotchi/754942610648580096

[magic sail]

Klinx too!

I wish I had the honor of being 2nd

[coarse whale]

Oh that's me hehe

[magic sail]

But i detoured and saw godzilla

Oh I might be 4th

[umbral bobcat]

oh u run the tumblr? or they just posted your photo

[coarse whale]

Yeah, that's my tumblr lol

[umbral bobcat]

oh nice! I follow it :p

when did u get them

[coarse whale]

I got them yesterday, a few minutes before I posted that pic!

[umbral bobcat]

oh nice congrats!!

and arbu was the third to

[carmine valve]

You’ll find most people all have that same Mothra shell since there’s only three shells and that’s the only one that was sold at retail. The other two were limited promotional shells so they’re harder to find

[magic sail]

Really

Funny the commercial has the white shell with green clouds

https://youtu.be/EJAoqPYrW8Q?si=jxiOIreYjPBbiNjB

Oh but at the end maybe its a lottery

So thats why its promo

[carmine valve]

If the wiki is to be believed the white and green one was sold at theaters playing the film

[jolly thicket]

i think it has a chance of getting sick every 16 hours after the first random time is hit

[magic sail]

I wish more movies had themed tamagotchi at them

Imagine if we had gotten Titanigotch

[jolly thicket]

titanic? 😂

[magic sail]

Lol secret character would have been a ship

[carmine valve]

I dunno about a tama based on a real event XD

[magic sail]

Youre right lol

So highest grossing movies from Japan the same year as mothra 2 1998 were Pokemon the first movie, A Doraemon Flick, and on top Bayside Shakedown. I guess they nailed it with the Doraemontchi

In terms of getting a huge film a tie in device

[umbral bobcat]

dolphin mode mothra 😱

[umbral bobcat]

wait who else has gotten the twins

[magic sail]

If Lemmy got them before me

[umbral bobcat]

right, so there’s rhubarb, lemmy, and you but who’s the fourth

[magic sail]

Klinx

[umbral bobcat]

ahhh ok, how exciting, you guys made tama history!

[jolly thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pikachu-crying-cry-sad-gif-16556971

[umbral bobcat]

it’s cute that those who have gotten the twins have the twin emoji in their name now, makes me wanna work towards getting them so I can join the club 😆

[bronze cliff]

I havent got the twins yet but I'm manifesting 👯‍♀️

[umbral bobcat]

let’s go twin team manifest that sh*t 👯‍♀️👯‍♀️👯‍♀️

[bronze cliff]

Does the bug die on the 4th sickness in a lifetime, or the 4th in a stage?

[jolly thicket]

4th in a stage, it resets on evolution

[bronze cliff]

Okay phew

I have a sickly bug this time around

[jolly thicket]

i was waiting to see if mine got sick today but i don't think it will at this point. So i dont need to worry about trying to immortality it lol. Should be evolving tomorrow

this is my patriotic run this mothra will save america

[bronze cliff]

Yay mothra!! Always here for us when we need her

Im hoping I'll get a big grub tomorrow. I've had to pause loads and it'd been slowwww

[magic sail]

So how long do the twins live?

[mint hazel]

Couldn't it be as long as you want if you use immortality? Although if you're going for lucky haka kun I know it's 64 waking hours before you can let them die

[magic sail]

Do they need to be 70 pounds too

[mint hazel]

From what I understand they don't even need to be given perfect care

But wait for rhubarb to clarify cause I don't want to doom your run

This section

It says weight no longer matters

[magic sail]

Ooh thanks

[jolly thicket]

yeah it basically doesn't matter how you take care of the twins as long as they live long enough to die from care mistakes

i did end up using immortality on them for the last run though because it made me nervous when they got sick lol

[serene current]

oh… if i use immortality strat on mothra, does that mean i can’t use it on moll & lora? since candies transfer between life stages & the elias take less candies than leo…

i was lowkey hoping i could keep moll & lora alive until my batteries died LOL

[jolly thicket]

no you can still use it on them, it doesnt carry over like that

[serene current]

gotcha! thanks

[devout pawn]

Random time as in clock time?

[magic sail]

Im gonna have a hard time deciding which photo of the twins to print out and frame

[devout pawn]

all the photos

all of them

[umbral bobcat]

make a photo album

[magic sail]

Omg Lol. Pause them and take them to spots for pics

[umbral bobcat]

photo of them in front of the pyramids and Great Wall of China

[magic sail]

Im thinking of an iconic spot near me

Circus liquor from Clueless probabl

[jolly thicket]

yes it basically rolls a random time between 0 and 10 hours after it wakes up

oh wait i see what you're asking

no the tama logic never works with clock time like that except for sleep and wake time. Everything else is based on a countdown or countup timer

[umbral bobcat]

also that’s interesting about them going to bed at 8pm cause the guy who got them through the battery glitch showed they slept at 2 in the afternoon but I guess that was part of the glitch

[magic sail]

Oops 9

[jolly thicket]

yeah that didn't really 'show' their behavior, the battery glitch messes with RAM, and sleep/wake time live in RAM. So basically you can just get whatever in there lol

[magic sail]

Military time wrong

[dusty heart]

Congratulations!!

[jolly thicket]

i got cocoon QUICK today... could have been between like 10:30 and 6:30 and i got it at 11:30

[jolly thicket]

mothra leo's back

should get twins again next wednesday

[bronze cliff]

Bugs at polling stations
(This idiot still hasn't evolved)

[jolly thicket]

alright let's see if i counted to 39 correctly lol

🤞

[jolly thicket]

the bug is such a good citizen for voting

[bronze cliff]

Bugs love democracy!

[eager citrus]

aaaa i feed mothra leo an extra candy on accident, are the odds he'll get sick too many times before evolving into moll & lora high?

[jolly thicket]

depends on how many candies you've fed to it overall during its lifetime

if you've never fed it any candy before the 39 for immortality, you can feed 2 more with no problem

[eager citrus]

ohhh i'm good then

[bronze cliff]

Finally my stupid bug has evolved!!

[magic sail]

Yay

[carmine valve]

Look at that proud, civically active bug

[serene current]

wahoo! model citizen mothra

still waiting on my big grub to form a cocoon 😪 i’m gonna guess it’ll happen close to 11am central tomorrow

[bronze cliff]

My sister is great

I taught her how to respond to tower attacks so she's all set

[mint hazel]

Reminds me of when I was trying to do the umino mermaid run and I needed to shower so I asked my brother to take care of it and explained how and long story short it died in a polar bear attack during my shower

[jolly thicket]

[bronze cliff]

Nooooooo

I paused my umino when I ran it cause I didn't trust my sister with bear attacks

[magic sail]

I dont trust the umino period

[mint hazel]

Ah I get it :') I usually avoid pausing runs at all costs

[bronze cliff]

My mothra is on such a weird schedule at this point

She's mostly awake at evenings so her time is all messed up

[magic sail]

Pause on mothra saved me anxiety

[devout pawn]

The best kinds of family members are the ones you can rely on to take care of your vpets

[mint hazel]

Yeah I just get more satisfaction out of completing runs without having to use the pause function

That being said I'm considering using it at the end of the month if the run is still going as I'll be interstate for 3 days and I don't think I want to bring the mothra with me

[carmine valve]

I have no idea if they even do the I voted stickers in other countries or if that's just an american thing but I got inspired to doodle @bronze cliff 's bug while I was gearing up to work on art fight stuff
The grub deserves a sticker either way

[bronze cliff]

OH MY GOD
I love this so much!!!!!!!

I've never got a sticker here but they absolutely should do them!

I've gotta show that drawing to everyone I know omg

[carmine valve]

I'm honored XD

[ebon thunder]

Here in Italy we don't do it

[devout pawn]

I don't think I've ever seen a I Voted sticker here in Australia

Is it supposed to be a bragging rights thing since voting's optional in the US?

Cause I dunno if that's why I haven't seen one

[mint hazel]

Same can't say I've ever seen them, I think the thing about it being cause it's optional over there makes sense

[jolly thicket]

@ arbutus

[magic sail]

Awww thank you @jolly thicket !!!!

[devout pawn]

Oh neat, it's your birthday today?

Happy birthday!

[serene current]

happy birthdayy!!!

80 hours left in my run yeehaw

[bronze cliff]

NOT AGAIN 😭

I cant do this again
Omg

I'm sure I already know the answer but
Does forgetting to turn the lights off once lock me out of mothra leo

https://tenor.com/view/jason-mantzoukas-brooklyn-nine-nine-b99-brooklyn99-adrian-pimento-gif-13205977

Beginning to feel like this

[jolly thicket]

Yes

[bronze cliff]

Ew that gif is too flashy

https://tenor.com/view/swat-mos-swat-mosquito-gif-21092180

Um

Maybe i should give up lol

[jolly thicket]

the struggle is what makes it worth it..

[bronze cliff]

I've been STRUGGLING 😭

Why does each run fail in a new way each time
It's not even like I'm messing up the same way

[jolly thicket]

lol yeah idk... i just always make sure to pause when i know i might miss something

[bronze cliff]

Me too AND YET

I'm so sad my 2nd run didn't work out. I haven't managed to get close since

If I reset, it'll be my 5th attempt

On the one hand, five IS my lucky number

But on the other hand
5 tries is a lot of tries when history has shown me that I am Not good at this

[carmine valve]

NOOOOOO D:

Tamas are crazy you fall asleep with the lights on one time and it affects the entire course of the rest of your life

[bronze cliff]

So true lol

This is so frustrating because every failed run is my own fault, so I only have myself to be mad at!
I'll see how I feel tomorrow and decide whether to reset or not

[umbral bobcat]

5 times 😦 maybe give yourself a little break from mothra and come back to it after a few days, try out another shell to get out of the funk

u could do a lucky unchi run

mothra seems like a very unforgiving shell

[devout pawn]

Yeah, it's not gonna be worth all this frustration

Taking a break will probably help a lot

[mint hazel]

I get the frustration, I'm on my 7th attempt rn. I'd say don't give up but if you need a break for a bit take it between runs

[bronze cliff]

Yeah you guys are right 💪 I'll take a lil break to get out of the funk and then try again

[carmine valve]

Moth time begins again

[bronze cliff]

Moth day!!!! Yay!

[devout pawn]

moth-er's day

[mint hazel]

At work and so far this run has really just made me appreciate Mothra Leo more

I love her little sprite it's so cute flying around

[mint hazel]

What is the time that the device starts checking the weight?

I have like 55 hours to go and it's sitting at 70 rn anyway but just wondering

I know it's been said somewhere before in this thread

[jolly thicket]

the window is between 72 and 80 hours

[mint hazel]

Okay thank you!!

[eager citrus]

AAAAA

they evolved at 79 hours and 40 minutes

so like 20 minutes off from the end of the evolution window hfjdjdjd

[mint hazel]

Hahah that's crazy

Must have been intense

[eager citrus]

YEAH i was so nervous i'd messed up somewhere and not known

[umbral bobcat]

how many attempts did that take

[eager citrus]

this is my first attempt!

[umbral bobcat]

nice!! i know its been a struggle for some people so its impressive u got them in one try

[eager citrus]

the biggest challenge was just making sure i didn't forget to keep the weight in the 70's throughout mothra leo's life

[umbral bobcat]

did u pause it at all

[eager citrus]

i don't run my vintages in real time so if i can't watch it i just pause it, and skip nights since the evolution timer doesn't do down at night

[umbral bobcat]

seems like pausing is the way to go

[eager citrus]

there's no way i could run it in real time due to having insomnia dbndndns

there's noooo way i can wake up at 8am lmao

especially not daily

[umbral bobcat]

i know that feeling

[mint hazel]

Waking up at 8 consistently is impossible for me too but I am pretty dedicated to running in real time so I set an alarm at 10:30am to check on it and again at 12pm if needed but tbh I'll be awake by then. Although I think the tamagotchi beep for help could wake me from a coma I don't want to get the device to that point

[eager citrus]

i'm really unsure on if i want to end my run here or go for haka-kun

it kiiinda' seems like it'd just be a chore to get but ehh maybe ?

[jolly thicket]

lol i'm going for them just for the novelty

i think klinx is as well

[carmine valve]

The idea of just how buried it is entices me

[eager citrus]

i'm gonna' be away for a week so if i wanna' go for haka-kun i'd have to leave my mothra paused for that time

[jolly thicket]

speaking of haka i should be getting my 3rd and final twins tomorrow

unless it happens to evolve in the next 20 minutes

[jolly thicket]

Yeah it's truly insane, ive been going for like 3 months

[carmine valve]

Saying it that way makes it seem close 👀

[jolly thicket]

just need to not fuck up 5 more justice calls...

[carmine valve]

I've been going for a little over a month since I started on 6/5 but I'm kind of halfway there?
Just thinking of the fact it's five gens in total and I'm in the middle of my third

[jolly thicket]

Yeah once you get the twins once you realize you're already a good chunk of the way there lol. i was like oh yeah. thats 40%

[eager citrus]

can the batteries in the mothra really last the whole run for haka-kun? that's one of my biggest concerns

[mint hazel]

I think they can cause there are reports of vintages running for 6 months

[eager citrus]

that's wild

[mint hazel]

But I'm sure it would vary and Rhubarb mentioned keeping it on mute helps a lot since that saves unnecessary power wastage

I had the same concern though, 3 months is a long runtime for a device that can't save I wonder if the devs even intended the character to be obtainable at all or just added it in as some kind of inside joke idk

[eager citrus]

yeah i was wondering the same

putting it on mute sounds scary

[mint hazel]

It's pretty easy for me cause I just run looping alarms on my phone to check on it. But I do have a tendancy to leave the sound on when I'm waiting for justice calls. I just mute whenever I'm going to interact with it then unmute when I'm leaving it on its own for a while

[eager citrus]

ohh makes sense

[jolly thicket]

Yeah that's what i do, i generally only unmute when i still need justice calls

or when i'm waiting for evolution and know it should be happening soon

we'll see if my batteries make it, i mean i am pretty close now lol

[jolly thicket]

again! last time before haka

should be starting my next run on monday

[umbral bobcat]

is the paint rubbing off in the corner where you’ve held the device down with your fingers? is it really that brittle?

also congrats on almost getting there 🙌👯‍♀️🎉

[jolly thicket]

lol yeah the paint is rubbing off, but it's been like that for a while and hasnt really gotten worse

for all i know it was like that when i got it

[umbral bobcat]

oh that’s good! it had me worried about what would happen to my shell..I wish there was some sort of lacquer that could be added to these shells to preserve the paint but isn’t thick like what people use with polymer clay mods

[jolly thicket]

i mean it's very possible that i did rub that paint off lol, i'm just not very observant about that stuff. it doesnt really bother me 😂

[mint hazel]

I've had issues with paint rubbing off on vintages when I've run them which is why I use a case whenever I run one now cause I don't trust it not to happen

[carmine valve]

I've heard that it's possible that different people's sweat is more corrosive and I feel bad for those people when it comes to things like tamas

[mint hazel]

I think that's what happened when I ran my umino cause that thing was in my hands like 24/7 because of its difficulty. But I've never had that happen with other models

[carmine valve]

I haven't had issues with paint rubbing off but I also have chronically dry hands so that might be working in my favor for once

[umbral bobcat]

yeah I think that has to do with some people’s sweat being more acidic, not sure if that’s me or not but it bugs me a lot when a paint job that can’t be retouched starts coming off

[mint hazel]

I'm down to the last 13 hours before I let Leo die so I decided to go for immortality and then immediately fed her an extra snack by mistake after she got hungry 🙃

I don't think I am at the point where the extra snack would push her past immortality mode but I don't remember perfectly so I hope I'm right

She's only gotten sick once so far as an adult

[carmine valve]

Twins are back

[jolly thicket]

round 2...

[jolly thicket]

if you're at 13 hours then you're probably fine anyway lol. i accidentally fed 2 extra on one run and it was ok

i need to check at some point whether that counter resets when it dies

[jolly thicket]

oh yeah random thing today: i overslept my alarm by like 2 hours so i'm glad i didnt have the child or teen lol. Definitely could have missed a justice call

probably gonna pause at night after child & teen go to sleep once the next run starts lol. just in case...

[serene current]

well, 80 hours has come and gone… and no faeries 😔 i think i got a care mistake in happiness a day or two ago and messed everything up

[bronze cliff]

Ohhh no I'm so sorry

[mint hazel]

Down to the last few hours on my timer to let Leo die and I'm starting to second guess whether I've counted the hours properly

[jolly thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/overthegardenwall-over-the-garden-wall-gif-9325109

[mint hazel]

I'm trying to calculate how long it's been alive to check if I've done it right or not now :') it's on day 13 and I haven't messed with the clock. And I originally hatched it inbetween morning and midday

I forget the hours per stage is it 16 for the child stage and 32 hours for the teen stage?

[jolly thicket]

24-32 for child and 40-48 for teen. I think

[mint hazel]

Ah

[jolly thicket]

if you're on day 13 and haven't messed with the clock, that sounds about right

[mint hazel]

Why do they have a range for evolution anyway and not just a set number haha

That does sound right though cause it takes quite a while to get to adult stage

[jolly thicket]

i think making everything a little random makes it more interesting just from a gameplay perspective

[mint hazel]

I actually think it's super interesting and more fun that way

[jolly thicket]

on the original p1/p2 its literally fixed lifespans & events and i wrote a script that predicted when everything would happen. And it was 100% correct, down to the minute lol

yeah it does make more fun

I mean it makes waiting for justice calls more scary. But other than that it's chill lol

[mint hazel]

Definitely :')

Makes this challenge a lot more challenging but a lot more fun

I did some maths and I think the earliest it'd reach 80 hours is day 12 and the latest is day 14 so I guess it being 13 does makes sense I could wait longer to be safe but like it's already a long run

[jolly thicket]

yeah if you're not sure exactly when it hits the window, then probably best to play it safe, i might even wait until the day AFTER i thought the 80 hours passed

[mint hazel]

Yeah maybe I should wait until tomorrow to be safe even though I think it hits 80 hours in just 1 hour 30 minutes

I have been running an 80 hour countdown timer all day and pausing it when it goes to sleep and that's how I've been tracking

[jolly thicket]

yeah that should be pretty reliable then

And i mean realistically, the timer probably already expired, it's not that likely to be exactly at that 80 hour mark lol. so with the day's wiggle room you should be fine. maybe let the hearts start dropping before it goes to sleep so you can kill it quick tomorrow

[mint hazel]

Yeah I'll probably just wait to be safe I wouldn't want to screw my run up at this point just by being impatient

[jolly thicket]

lol yeah exactly

[mint hazel]

Hmm

Yeah I had already let them drop to half thinking I'd kill it today but I guess I can wait for tomorrow

[umbral bobcat]

mothra never got a guidebook did it

[jolly thicket]

Nope. Which is honestly weird since every other vintage got one

including 2 licensed ones

[umbral bobcat]

yeah huh i wonder why not

it would have had some killer artwork in it if it was a thing

[jolly thicket]

oh yeah it would have been so cool. the 90s tama artstyle applied to Godzilla would have been so funny

[umbral bobcat]

it would have been nice to have gotten more artwork of the characters too, i feel like theyre so few examples of the mothra cast in tama art style

[jolly thicket]

yea it's basically just whatever was on the old website

[umbral bobcat]

has all the artwork been cataloged on the wiki?

[jolly thicket]

the stuff from the website has been yeah

[umbral bobcat]

which is essentially just the mothra grub, mothra leo, and the twins

love this one

[jolly thicket]

grub is so cute..

[umbral bobcat]

it looks like hes waggin his tail

[jolly thicket]

i actually find the sprite a little terrifying when it opens its mandibles to eat but as long as it has its mouth closed im fine 😂

[umbral bobcat]

ooh thatll be fun surprise for me since i havent played mine yet, i didnt see this on the wiki either

i cant believe we got a genji guidebook and not one of these epically 90s mothra themed characters 😭

never forgive never forget

this guy needs to be an emoji in the server