Mothra Moll & Lora guide

[jolly thicket]

A Tama mystery was solved today.

After years of debate whether this was even possible, I have proven that, in fact, you can raise the Twin characters Moll & Lora on the Mothra.

The ROM for the Mothra was dumped about a month ago and I figured out how everything worked by studying the code. (some of y'all may remember I ran a similar project with the P1 ROM last year)

Here is the lowdown:

• Moll & Lora evolve from Mothra Leo (basically: no care mistakes and catch all Justice calls)
• Keep weight in the 70s. Do not make any care mistakes as Mothra Leo. After approximately 80 waking hours (the time is somewhat random — 80 hours is a worst case), an internal flag is set that allows Moll & Lora to evolve, and allows Mothra Leo to lay an egg when it dies.
• One way to tell that this timer has passed is that the Mothra starts dropping hearts more quickly; however if the immortality strat is used to prevent death from sickness, it will not drop hearts more quickly so it is not possible to tell when the threshold is reached.
• Suggested strat to keep weight in the 70s once in there — don’t fill hearts until 1 happy and 1 hungry are both empty. Feed it then play the game. Weight is not decremented until the results screen is displayed, so if you are losing you can exit out and try again. Also, note that if you get a 5 vs 0 game win, the Mothra actually decrements TWO weight (and increases happy hearts by 2) so you may want to quit out if you are at 4 correct.
• Note that due to the timing of hearts emptying, every once in a while 2 happy hearts will decrement for a single hungry. So I advise that you start at 78 tons to give yourself some wiggle room — the Mothra will naturally lose a few tons over time due to this.
• After the 80 waking hours have passed, kill Mothra Leo with care mistakes (happy and/or hungry hearts empty; leaving the lights on does NOT count towards these care mistakes); 5 care mistakes will kill it. You can basically just let both happy/hungry hearts empty out and not fill them. It only takes a couple hours to die from care mistakes at that stage.
• Dying of sickness does NOT work and will cause the internal flag to reset.
• When Mothra Leo dies, it must lay an egg or that means the conditions for Moll & Lora were not met and the process needs to be repeated.
• It is possible for Mothra Leo to lay an egg even if the conditions for Moll & Lora were not met (i.e. if care mistakes were made too early or if it didn’t have weight in the 70s at the time the checks were made to set the flag)
• Any adult can lay an egg when it dies, but only Mothra Leo can lay an egg that will eventually transform into Moll & Lora.
• If it did lay an egg, press A+C to get a new egg (do NOT reset the device because that will reset the internal flag).
• It’s always possible to press A+C to get a new egg, even if the Mothra didn’t lay an egg. But only the specific conditions with Mothra Leo allow Moll & Lora to be raised.
• Raise the new Mothra to Mothra Leo, then again keep the weight in the 70s and make no care mistakes. After approximately 80 waking hours, Mothra Leo will evolve to Moll & Lora.
• So basically you need to raise Moll & Lora twice to actually get them. Lol
• Note that the process to raise Moll & Lora can be repeated — after approximately 64 waking hours, if Moll & Lora are killed with care mistakes, they will lay an egg when they die. This new Mothra can then be raised into Moll & Lora, and the process can repeat indefinitely.
• You might be wondering how long this all takes. I started my #1238795799748546630 log on May 11th and just got the twins today on June 5th. So it takes about 3 weeks. Absolutely brutal

The way to get them is extremely obscure so I am not at all surprised that they were never found until now. Looking at it now, this looks like a bad schoolyard video game urban legend. But it is real…

https://tenor.com/view/mothra-rebirth-of-mothra-fairy-mothra-flying-travelling-gif-24962693

Lessons from the past...

I think it’s worth noting that the old Tamagotch Channel website did capture some of the requirements correctly — that you need to kill an adult that’s “passed the average lifespan” and raise an egg from it to get Moll & Lora. It even noted that killing the adult from sickness will cause it not to lay an egg. However, the weight requirement made it extremely unlikely that anybody would ever get Moll & Lora, since most players try to keep weight low (and weight generally hovers near minimum anyway unless you feed a lot of candy).

I mentioned the immortality strat. WTF is that, you are probably wondering?

This was the 2nd completely bonkers discovery that came out of my analysis.

The Mothra programming basically included a cheat code, where if you feed a character a certain number of candies, it can no longer get sick and if it’s an adult that’s passed the ‘average age’ threshold, will cause it not to be needy. This basically means the Mothra will never die unless you make too many care mistakes.

Now, Mothra Leo has a low chance of getting sick — it has only about a 12.75% chance of getting sick if you’ve fed it no candies. But still, if you get unlucky and it gets sick too many times, all your hard work goes to waste. So for safety, you might want to use this strat.

Here are the numbers:

• Baby Mothra: 21 (I don't think this actually works for the baby though, baby stage works differently)
• Mothra Larva: 21
• Mothra Grub: 30
• Batora Grub: 30
• Mothra Leo: 39
• Fairy: 33
• Batora: 33
• Mayura: n/a (for technical reasons, immortality strat does not work for Mayura; its base % chance of sickness is too high)
• Ghogo: 21
• Godzilla: 33
• Moll & Lora: 33

Some final notes about sickness that might be informative as you try to plan out a Moll & Lora run:

• Sickness is based on a countdown that is randomized when the character first evolves, and when the character wakes up every day. So for Mothra Leo, it has about 5 chances to get sick during its lifetime BEFORE the Moll & Lora conditions are met (and possibly more chances after they have been met, while you are trying to kill it from care mistakes). So it is possible for it to die from sickness if you are unlucky.
• How likely a character is to get sick when the countdown expires is a bit random, and is different for each character — Mothra Leo has the lowest base chance at 12.75% and Mayura has the highest base chance at 93.75%.
• The likelihood that a character becomes sick when the countdown expires increases for every 3 candy it eats. Then it hits that sweet spot, and it can no longer become sick. But if you feed more candy, it will leave the sweet spot and have an extremely high chance of getting sick.
• The same logic is roughly used when deciding how much needier the Tama will get after passing the ‘average age’ threshold. Basically, if the Mothra meets the criteria for getting sick , it will decrement hearts 15 minutes faster every 12 waking hours. This is not random like sickness is.
• If you’re in the sweet spot, it will not get needier as it gets older. This is why I'm calling this the immortality strat... as long as you don't make care mistakes, the Mothra will actually live forever.
• A character dies when it gets sick 4 times (this resets on evolution, so sickness in the child stage does not count towards death in the adult stage)
• The internal counter that keeps track of how many candy the character has eaten does NOT reset on evolution, so for example if you fed one candy in the child stage, you could feed 38 candy to Mothra Leo and it will enter the immortality sweet spot. So you need to be very careful about feeding candy if you want to use the sweet spot. The numbers I gave for each character will always work as long as you haven’t fed any candy earlier in the same stage.
• The counter that lets you enter the sweet spot (i.e. the one that increments for every 3 candy fed) DOES reset on evolution. So if you use immortality strat in the teen stage, it will not make the adult get sick a lot.

If you made it this far without your eyes glazing over I just want you to know I’m proud of you.

I was considering revealing this in approximately 8 weeks after getting it on real hardware, but the Mothra’s slow evolution drives me crazy and I'm not sure I'm going to be able to get it for real. (i'm gonna at least try though)

There is actually a 3rd completely bonkers thing I discovered in the Mothra.

There is an undocumented secret character.

Yep. You can evolve to a moving Mothra grave.

I have decided to name it Lucky Haka-Kun (‘haka’ is Japanese for grave) and I think everybody else should call it that too. The condition for this character is that you have to meet the conditions for Moll & Lora 5 times in a row. The 5th time, instead of evolving to Moll & Lora, Mothra Leo will evolve into Lucky Haka-Kun. This character is functionally identical to Moll & Lora and has the same stats as them. You can play with it just like a normal Mothra.

This isn’t actually unprecedented tbh, since the Lucky Unchi-Kun on the Angel is technically a moving death state sprite as well. Of course, this pretty much blows open all other Tama devices for possible other extremely-well-hidden secrets. I think this is the first time there’s been an actual raiseable character that is completely undocumented, its existence not even hinted at. Something Tama fans always thought was possible, whispered about in hushed tones, but dared not dream of…

(btw I would bet 5 bucks that there is an ultra-secret evolution in the Genjintch into the skull sprite that is used as that device’s egg)

Extra notes if you're going for Lucky Haka-Kun

• Once you have Moll & Lora, all you need to advance to the next stage is that they need to lay an egg before dying. So the twins just need to survive approximately 64 waking hours, and then you kill them by letting the hearts empty. (lol I'm just realizing how macabre it sounds to say you're killing the Tama characters)
• You don't need to take care of Moll & Lora like you take care of Mothra Leo. It's OK to make care mistakes and the weight no longer matters.
• The main thing is that you don't want them to die of sickness, and Moll & Lora do have a higher chance of getting sick than Mothra Leo (25% chance every day), so you may want to use immortality strat on them. 33 candies are what you use to push Moll & Lora to immortality.

CREDITS

• azya (https://x.com/OneBitOnePixel) did the work of dumping the image into a ROM format. I also got critical help from them getting the MAME emulator to correctly run the Mothra ROM so I could figure out how the code works and run tests. Azya also helped figure out how to activate the fast-forward mode in the Mothra (#1248053263979380796). Check out their project BrickEmuPy which can run a bunch of 90s electronic devices, including the P1 and Mothra: https://github.com/azya52/BrickEmuPy
• Folks like natashenka, ShroomHWD, teallen, sg, azureinferno, RJ, and the other residents of #tamagotchi-de-hackin who gave me the Tamagotchi hacking brainworm....

This project would not have been possible without those folks.

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Okay you can post now

i didnt even MENTION the fast-forward mode...

[magic sail]

Holy crap, two characters Rhubarb!!!

I think this is one of the coolest tama developments ever. I-thought itd be an eternal mystery

[jolly thicket]

there was sort of another hidden character which was like. A glitchy moving cocoon. But i didn't find any evidence that you could actually evolve to it

So just unused i guess

the grave is so cool though, it was COMPLETELY undocumented. No official source ever acknowledged it

[bronze cliff]

STOP STOP ITS TOO EXCITING

Thank you so much for all of this!!

How the fuck did they expect us to ever figure this out

[jolly thicket]

The weight requirement is what made it impossible i think

[near mason]

That. Is. AMAZING!!! Great work @jolly thicket and awesome write-up!! This has been a mystery for literal decades 🤣 so this is really a big achievement for the community. And as a member of the community I really appreciate this effort and knowledge-share!!!

I’m can’t wait to run my Mothra next.

[jolly thicket]

And doing the exact same thing twice

[bronze cliff]

Omg I have a busy day tomorrow but once I've done the stuff I need to do
Its mothra time

[jolly thicket]

i reaaally thought i got a care mistake during the first run, i was on pins and needles all day today lol. Actually i only got 3 hours of sleep cause i knew evolution day was gonna be today lol

[bronze cliff]

Are you aiming for the secret secret character lol

[jolly thicket]

I'm gonna try for it, but it's gonna take actual months to get it

It's ridiculous

[bronze cliff]

Yeah its crazy

[jolly thicket]

The batteries might die first lol

[magic sail]

I had a feeling my it had to do with perfect care and weight but getting it is hard

Wait so Rhubarb this was a controlled run?

[jolly thicket]

Yes. I've been logging it in #1238795799748546630 this whole time. But nobody ever looks at logs i think lol

[bronze cliff]

I do!!!!

I was there the whole time haha

[jolly thicket]

Actually i took screenshots of the weight being in the 70s too lol i was wondering if somebody would notice

Lol true tea you're my ride or die on this one

[bronze cliff]

I've been obsessed with this mystery for a while

[jolly thicket]

This brainwormed me so hard

I updated the character list on the wiki https://tamagotchi.fandom.com/wiki/Mothra_Tamagotchi/Character_list

[rotund fable]

This is fantastic, congratulations! All your hard work paying off!! 🎉

[bronze cliff]

You mentioned her weight and all i did was fatshame her

[magic sail]

Im sorry Im misundertanding when you say “get it for real”

[jolly thicket]

it definitely wasnt just me working, i did the code analysis piece but somebody else dumped the ROM and another person still did the imaging. I'm double-checking how they want to be credited

[rotund fable]

So theoretically the method could be used for the Yasashii? 😅

[magic sail]

I think The last yasahii character was figured out

[jolly thicket]

i have sacrifice yasashiis that i got cheap, i do want to see if they can get worked on. It just takes time

Yeah somebody got oshamatchi but i really want to know if it's actually like

Brutal to the level that you need to fill its hearts within 5 seconds lol. Or if there's a trick

[fading lodge]

That’s absolutely awesome, I’m so glad you were able to figure it out!

[wide flax]

No way!!!!!!!!!! This is amazing!!!

[fading lodge]

and considering how long it must take to get you must’ve figured it out pretty fast too

[jolly thicket]

i think it took about a week to figure out the growth chart. But yea actually running the thing took forever lol

[pliant ledge]

wow im shocked lol

[acoustic valve]

YAAAAAAAAAAS

[strange sentinel]

This is amazing. Ty so much !!! Legend

[wide flax]

History has been made gamers

[acoustic valve]

TINY MOTHRA WILL LIVE AGAIN

I HAVE A PURPOSE

[magic sail]

So maybe after this peanut i can try for moll and lora

[bronze cliff]

Genjintch devolution next pls!!

[tawdry cipher]

I can't read it bc everytime someone types, Discord brings me back the newest message 🥲

[stuck horizon]

Wait. So if you dumped the rom of this does that mean it could work on something like the opentama?

[jolly thicket]

Yes. The CPU is basically the exact same as the P1

[cunning herald]

Well as soon as my crunch season is over at work I’m going to try this.

[jolly thicket]

I noticed this on mobile, super annoying. Lol sorry i just dragged you back to the bottom again...

[merry nimbus]

Neat

[quick turret]

the madlads

[acoustic valve]

Tiny Mothra Twitter will live again! It is time for rebirth

[hybrid needle]

this is unreal! great work, team! i can't believe bandai would add in all those requirements for ultimately a childs toy and then not tell anyone what the requirements are for over 20 years

[merry nimbus]

You're making me want to run my Mothra for the first time

[potent ermine]

I didn't know this mystery existed until this very moment but this is impressive work. Great job!

[brisk smelt]

This is the coolest thing ever, even my boyfriend who’s never owned a tama was like .. wow

[merry nimbus]

Same lol

[jolly thicket]

This is standard for all the 90s models lol

[mint marten]

Holy shit, congratulations! This is monumental!

[stuck horizon]

Radddd. I've been wanting an excuse to build one.

[remote epoch]

Absolute whirlwind of a guide. I'm so glad the mystery is finally solved and I'm mega eager to try and raise them myself now!

[magic sail]

Even more impressive is that Rhubarb has made it so we have to question what might be hidden in plain sight elsewhere

[worldly gulch]

Oh my god. Amazing

[jolly thicket]

Yeah the fact that literally nobody knew the grave was in there. There's gotta be more stuff hidden lol

[dim ginkgo]

I just bought a Mothra. Still gotta wait to get here, but I'm gonna try and get this now. AWESOME FIND!

[tawdry cipher]

Will you post this anywhere else? I can't read it at all at this rate 🥲

[raw ore]

@jolly thicket Oh my god congrats to you and the team for figuring this out!
I will watch your career with great interest

[vocal rune]

oh my god dropping by the server for the first time in forever, this is HUGE

[worldly gulch]

Struggling to find words. I spent so long trying to figure it out and you cracked it. I'm so impressed.

[tawdry cipher]

But discord bugs aside, thank you!!

[jolly thicket]

I cheated i looked at the code

[magic sail]

Yea i was trying to blindly but could not have done that

[vale hornet]

ITS SOLVED OMG

[fallow garden]

this is the coolest thing. omega sizes kudos for all the time and effort that went into this!!

[worldly gulch]

Also I struggle to imagine someone pulling off the "Lucky Hana-Kun" thing in a real setting, considering that the batteries would not be likely to hold up for that long.

[fading lodge]

tfw in 2026 we figure out that the Angel has a secret character called Scrungus McGee that nobody ever obtained before

[jolly thicket]

the angel is so jam-packed i'd be shocked if it had another character in it

[ivory salmon]

Amazing work! I hope this paves the way for more ROM dumping and further discoveries haha

[fading lodge]

I guess the lucky unchi kun is probably the next vintage mystery to solve

[bronze cliff]

I choose to believe this is true until someone can prove otherwise

[jolly thicket]

Except there was that video i posted in #study-hall where somebody got it twice and posted the method to do it needs to be verified though i guess lol

[bronze cliff]

With the right requirements, you can unlock a secret characters thats the spit image of God himself

[raw ore]

modelled after the nice janitor at Bandai HQ at the time of development ^^

[fading lodge]

poor scrungus, forgotten after all these years

[ivory salmon]

I mean there's one really easy way to get Lucky Unchi-kun

[fading lodge]

absolutely though yeah, the ROM dump has been a bit of a godsend

[ivory salmon]

Are people referring to the rumoured more difficult way?

[dim ginkgo]

whos gonna rom dump the Devilgotchi?

[fading lodge]

If a connection version gets dumped I definitely know where my attention would be going

[jolly thicket]

I saw a video that claimed the steps are:
(1) raise an oyaji angel
(2) raise an oyaji angel. This one will turn into the faceless unchi kun when it dies
(3) raise a ginji angel
(4) the baby angel after ginji will turn into the raiseable unchi kun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f91UDuhTQyw

I was skeptical but she literally has 2 of them in the thumbnail lol

[ivory salmon]

Bloody hell

[fading lodge]

I wonder if there’s more ways to get it

[tawdry quail]

This is actually like the coolest thing ever

Especially the second secret character

[mint hazel]

This absolutely incredible

[dim ginkgo]

I wonder if the grave is just a stand in sprite for what would've been another character they wanted to ad in.

[velvet shuttle]

Congrats on this huge discovery and thanks for making this guide!

[mint hazel]

I've been awake for 5 whole minutes and the craziest news has reached my eyes

[bronze cliff]

I guess we all missed that part in the movie where mothra leo weighed 70g and died twice

[ivory salmon]

Also I saw that you played with a P1 ROM dump last year, did you write about that anywhere?

[jolly thicket]

This blew my mind when i realized it. At first i thought it was a weird unused thing and ignored it

[tawdry quail]

It's a secret after all

[magic sail]

@jolly thicket would you mind sharing a video of their animations?

[mint hazel]

I've wondered if someone could ROM dump the Mothra to find out moll and lora for a while now but someone actually did it!!!

[jolly thicket]

We shoudlnt sleep on the immortality strat though thats pretty wild too. Feeding it a bunch of candies and then it will never die except by care mistakes lol

[tawdry quail]

Fair I would've never thought of having to do the same insane steps 5 times to get yet another character 💀

[tawdry quail]

Yeah that's also pretty wild

[mint hazel]

Also I wonder too if the grave character is supposed to be intentional or if it's just an accident

[tawdry quail]

I do still wonder though if all of this was intentional?

[bronze cliff]

Lol I remember talking to friends about it before like "ah its pretty much impossible cause you'd have to do this" and now we have!!!

[magic sail]

So the grave moves?

[tawdry quail]

Yeah same xD

[mint hazel]

Well after you've done it once the second time onwards is a bit easier at least

[jolly thicket]

I never made a real writeup for it, but i have scattered notes in a thread under #tamagotchi-de-hackin . Well i have a scattered thing in https://rhubarbtart.neocities.org/tama but idk how i feel about it

[dim ginkgo]

i feed my pet a bunch of candies anyway, but i miss out on care mistakes

[tawdry quail]

But who'd ever think of doing that?

If I read this in a shady gaming magazine I would've 100% not believed it
These steps seem insane
If that was intentional, did they just do it to mess with people?

Cause who would ever be able to figure this out 💀

[next plaza]

this is so cool! the requirements are like a wild playground rumor but true

[magic sail]

@jolly thicket What is avg adult lifespan threshold 5 or 7?

[raw ore]

"under the truck by the MS. Anne lives a Mew! "

[cunning herald]

This is exactly what it sounds like haha

[next plaza]

this is what people believed would unlock luigi in mario 64

[tawdry quail]

It sounds even more insane than that

[vale hornet]

This is crazy, a seceret grave character

[mint marten]

Please let me know if you ever do! In the oddpet server we compile lots of research and guides for various obscure devices, including things like this. When you do, with your permission of course, I'd like to add this to the archive there. Ironically one of the reasons that server started links back to this haha

[carmine valve]

Oh my gosh raising Moll & Lora five times and a row though

[sacred laurel]

I'm so glad this is finally documented, that's so cool 😭
Thanks for the guide and congrats on the discovery at last! I run the Mothra quite often so I guess this gives me another excuse to boot it up again

💕

[mint hazel]

This and the presence of the completely undocumented grave character makes me really curious about some of the other vintage models and whether they're hiding any other secrets too

[glacial wave]

Holy moly, good finds here.

[carmine valve]

Not vintage but it'd also be nice to have a rom dump figure out the deadly snacks thing on the rereleases

[merry nimbus]

I read the whole paragraphs multiple times and I still don't understand XD why does Bandai torture us?

[rancid pilot]

Holy mother of god this is fucking NUTS
lucky haka kun as well???? Wtffff

[magic sail]

@jolly thicket thank you for sharing and doing this. This was very inspirational. I hope I can leave a mark like this for the tama community but very unlikely. Super proud of you for making it happen

[merry nimbus]

This is a real challenge

[jolly thicket]

Theoretically you can make it live forever with the immortality strat. The evolution timer is kind of random but you can calculate a window where it might happen. So then you can decide when you can kill it with care mistakes. I had a script to do this. 1 sec

[merry nimbus]

[solid thicket]

all of this is absolutely wild. thanks for your hard work and typing this up for us!!

[jolly thicket]

Wait that's the wrong script

[tawdry quail]

Same, I love speculating about this kinda stuff

[ivory salmon]

Thankyou!! I had no idea there was a "hackin" channel on here hahah

[jolly thicket]

Correct script

so i could run the script like this and it would tell me what the window for evolution is
% python3 mothra_evolution.py MothraLeo 2024-05-30T17:52:40
best case: 2024-06-05 11:52:40
worst case: 2024-06-05 19:51:40

[spice robin]

I’m in awe of this discovery. Thank you for the write up, it’s a fun read even if you know nothing about this tama. And congrats!! 🎉

[magic sail]

Oooh i was wondering how you “assisted” the run

So ill try to get them naturally

[umbral bobcat]

I’m just curious how the roms are even dumped to begin with

[jolly thicket]

If you wait like. A week after getting mothra leo and have the weight in the 70s. That's probably OK

[magic sail]

I hope this makes people appreciate the vintages

They arent basic vpets

[jolly thicket]

it's complicated you need special equipment to do it. I outsourced that part

[near light]

Omg fantastic work on this!! Thank you for sharing

[mint hazel]

Yeah when I thought about rom dumping it to find out I basically had to stop there cause I know nothing about rom dumping hahaha I'm glad people with the technical knowledge to dump the ROM and then go through everything and figure it out have done it!!!

[mint marten]

I really want to learn more about this. I have access to most of the stuff I need for it, I'm just missing the dichloromethane 😂

[near mason]

Figured I should pin the OP so people can find it

[umbral bobcat]

I hope videos of the process might be uploaded somewhere in the future, I’m super duper curious about the process and always thought someone should be able to do something like that, so it’s interesting to hear it requires special equipment

[mint hazel]

I was just thinking that

I need to run my Mothra asap

I'm so excited

I wonder who will manage to legitimately get the grave character first (won't be me lol)

[jolly thicket]

i'm gonna try for it, but it will literally take like

2 months

at the speed it works at

lol

[carmine valve]

I'm sitting here thinking about how I want the grave character but wondering whether I really have the patience

I already get impatient with the month it takes to get to the end characters on the osu/mesu

[mint hazel]

2 months for a particular evo is crazy 😭

[jolly thicket]

Can you pin these as well
#1248030678738800671 message
#1248030678738800671 message

[mint hazel]

But at the same time I would love if they brought back insane obscure characters to get on the newer devices

[jolly thicket]

Actually lemme post one more thing too, if you can pin this

[carmine valve]

How do we know they haven't 👀 /hj

[jolly thicket]

Lol some of this information might be wrong because i didn't closely verify everything. But it's probably close enough 😂

[mint hazel]

Seriously, people ROM dump the newer models pretty consistently

[near mason]

Done!

[jolly thicket]

thank you

[carmine valve]

Yeah that's true 'cause no epoxy blobs on the color tamas

[jolly thicket]

Wait can you do this one too #1248030678738800671 message

that's the only other thing i needed to post

[near mason]

Sure!

[umbral bobcat]

the things that are happening in the tama community lately amaze me!! I’m assuming she figured out this method on her own without reading through the rom?

[jolly thicket]

I have no idea how she figured it out, i need to rewatch the video

The steps are SO SPECIFIC that i feel like she's got to be in touch with somebody who worked on it. But i have no idea

[hidden schooner]

holy. this is AMAZING work

[jolly thicket]

i was actually gonna reach out to her about this find to see if she wants to make a video on it for the japanese community lol

[dark pivot]

i'm coming out of my slumber to say this rules

[mint hazel]

Wait would you even be able to raise it for 2 months without the batteries in the device dying

[jolly thicket]

I think so. I think i've seen the morino and devil go for a while on the death screen

One thing you can do is to keep it muted as much as possible, because that's when it uses the most battery

so if you're not waiting for any justice calls you can mute it

[tawdry quail]

Strong batteries and perfect climate conditions 💪

[mint hazel]

I was just putting batteries into my mothra and I realised cause I tend to use the same ones across different tamagotchis I have no idea how much juice is left in these hahahah

I wonder if I should wait until after work to buy some fresh ones or just pray to the tamagotchi overlords that my batteries hold out 3 weeks so I can try and get the twins

[bronze arrow]

That's really cool!! Seems complicated, too. I can see why this wasn't thought possible, the requirements seems very hard to do intentionally, let alone stumble into.

[umbral bobcat]

there was a post on tama planets tumblr about someone who got this character out of a battery glitch, I’m assuming they were the original batteries that still had a small amount of juice in them and then changed them to new batteries to showcase the sprite animations and they were still there

[jolly thicket]

Yeah the weight is what made it impossible i think. Nobody would have thought to put it in the 70s range like that

[mint hazel]

Yeah I remember that

[serene current]

bless you rhubarb!!! i’ve been contemplating another mothra run lately and this is so legendary. thank you for your hard work and those who collaborated with you to make it possible!!!

[copper crag]

on retro tamagotchi the batteries can be replaced within a few seconds without resetting the game process

[magic sail]

Possible but challenging

[umbral bobcat]

super crazy that I had only just read about that glitch a few weeks ago and then someone managed to find the proper method through rom hacking it’s so wild!!!

[magic sail]

I think we could have figured out moll and lora witha dedicated run or two

But not the haka-kun

[tawdry quail]

I just realized, don't Moll and Lora appear when you treat your tama from getting sick?
If you raise them as characters, do they heal themselves..?

[umbral bobcat]

getting special characters through raising multiple generations in a row is not something that I would have ever thought these devices were capable of, I never would have guessed they have some sort of internal RAM that affects future characters based on past ones you raised

[bronze cliff]

Yeah same, i didn't know anything was carried down through gens

[umbral bobcat]

big news for the lucky unchi fans now that someone has posted a how to video on yt

[bronze cliff]

I'm so curious about this too

[tawdry quail]

I know right?

[jolly thicket]

Lol i assume they do heal themselves but i've actually never checked

[umbral bobcat]

well especially for the original tamas, there’s really nothing to indicate there’s any sort of internal memory storage, they way they’re advertised makes it seem like they’re a single play through and then u start over completely

[tawdry quail]

Would be pretty hilarious

[mint hazel]

Thanks for this super cool info

[jolly thicket]

Yeah. I mean it makes sense that the CPU has RAM, because computers usually need that to do anything lol. But under the epoxy blob we could never see....

But some of the old bandai websites mentioned specifically raising a character from an egg laid by a dying tama. So we always thought there was a generation-like thing but had never proved it

[mint hazel]

Do you know if moll and lora have the weird sleep pattern that the person who got them via glitch experienced?

[jolly thicket]

They're still awake and it's 7 PM here lol. I datamined their hours as 8 AM - 9 PM

[mint hazel]

Thank goodness

[high onyx]

Absolutely incredible work. I am stunned! 😦

[serene current]

regarding the justice calls… what time of day do i need to start my mothra off at to be able to get leo? 7am?

[tawdry quail]

If you do find out about this, please share btw! Would be really cool to see them heal themselves essentially

[copper gust]

amazing work!

[jolly thicket]

it doesn't really matter because the timer for evolving only counts when they're awake. So you get the same amount of time with it regardless of when you start

[magic sail]

So instead of night time care mistakes by missing light off time, i could just pause?

[jolly thicket]

it's a LITTLE random whether they call but there's a mechanism that should force it to call enough at each stage

[umbral bobcat]

well that makes sense then, I’m not computer savvy so it’s surprising to me 😅 testing between different generations in order to find the one specific method to get a certain character is like an impossible task on its own tho, way too many variables

[jolly thicket]

in practice they usually made all the calls in 1 day lol

[jolly thicket]

I think so lol if you wanted to

[serene current]

thank ya for the answers!!! very eager to give it a shot

[earnest jackal]

this is so cool! amazing job!!!

[mint hazel]

When should you start increasing the weight? Only once hitting Leo?

Or have the weight at 78 before it evolves into Leo

[half rover]

is the code available anywhere? also that app with compiled code? it's so cute lol

[ashen pewter]

Did you get all the sprites off of it too?

[jolly thicket]

No, i didn't look into ripping sprites. I kinda figured out how to do it for the P1 (although they're not in consistent places in memory) but for the mothra i didn't even try lol

[jolly thicket]

The weight resets to the character's minimum when it evolves, so you would increase the weight after hitting Leo. Like i suggested in the guide, I did the immortality strat so i fed it 39 candies and then worked down to 78 from 99

[mint hazel]

Ah okay sorry I need to read the guide another time I guess

[hexed condor]

Whoa, congratulations!! This is an absolutely amazing discovery!! You’ve literally made tama history!

[jolly thicket]

there's a lot of stuff there so it's fine lol

[umbral bobcat]

will this guide be uploaded anywhere else?

[jolly thicket]

I might put it on my neocities at some point, and update the wiki with some of the salient points

that was all i had in mind though

[mint hazel]

Again seeking clarification, do you recommend using the immortality strat on Leo and then coming out of it when it gets close to the time it needs to start dying? Or just not to enter immortality while on Leo at all?

[jolly thicket]

you don't need to leave the immortality spot tbh, once the window passes you can just stop filling its hearts and that will kill it

it takes about 2-3 hours for that i think, if you let both happy & hungry empty

technically it can die after leaving hearts empty for 12 hours but it dies from the care mistakes too fast for that to matter lol

[mint hazel]

Oh the guide saying you won't be able to tell when the threshold is reached when in immortality made me concerned

[jolly thicket]

it's kinda hard to tell even if you're not in immortality unless you're timing how long it takes for hearts to drop

[mint hazel]

Ah okay

[jolly thicket]

And i think the rate of dropping hearts only gets faster like once every 12 hours of waking time

This is why i had a script to help me predict the window lol so i knew exactly when i could kill it

[mint hazel]

Ah smart haha

[umbral bobcat]

tumblr would be good since the guide can be passed around on there easily, get exposed to more people

[lethal swallow]

a video guide and a showcase of our newly found hidden characters would be great

[tight seal]

This is amazing work and you (all) made tama history today!

[untold coral]

This is SO COOL

[serene current]

now that i'm rereading the guide... is the 80 waking hours for the entire lifespan of the device or just after you hit Leo?

[worldly gulch]

It's Leo specifically

[mint hazel]

It'd be 80 hours after you hit Leo I assume

I got stressed a second ago wondering if it being asleep counts towards the 80 hours

But then I was like of course it does

[worldly gulch]

"Waking hours" means hours that the Tamagotchi is awake.

So sleeping doesn't count.

[serene current]

well it says waking hours specifically so no, sleep does not count

[mint hazel]

Nooooo

I thought I was being ridiculous hahaha

I should have read again after I thought of my question

I was like it just said 80 hours.

[serene current]

rhubarb did say about 3 weeks' time, i just couldn't figure out the mental math agah

[jolly thicket]

Sleep doesn't count yeah

[mint hazel]

80 waking hours

Thank you :')

[jolly thicket]

it's actually wild how long it takes

Like i think mothra leo you have for about a week lol

And it takes another week to get it

[worldly gulch]

I legit thought the secret to Moll & Lora was tied to Ghogo, since he's connected to them in the lore.

[mint hazel]

Yeah so a bit over 6 days

Mothra Leo is awake for 13 hours a day so it'd be the morning of the 7th day

2 hours into the 7th day

This is so intense, it's amazing how much extra stuff you discovered rhubarb

[jolly thicket]

my mind exploded when i saw all the weird secrets in this one lol. and i passed most of them over the first time as not important, like immortality strat & haka kun i was both like "huh thats weird" and only later realized how big they were lol

the P1 didn't yield very much we didnt know already, other than some technical details & more concrete info on the growth chart

[midnight ginkgo]

Great day for tama history

[mint hazel]

Yeah that makes sense especially if you were focused on figuring out the moll and lora evolution.

I am so curious as to what could be in some of the other vintage devices given how many unexpected secrets there were in this one

You mentioned something in your post about there being a fast forward mode also?

[jolly thicket]

I posted about it in #1248053263979380796 , maybe i should have brought more attention to it idk lol

[carmine valve]

It's like.. you could get the characters faster, but at what cost

[mint hazel]

Ooh

[jolly thicket]

Yea im really curious about other devices now too, i really think with the grave the lid has been blown wide open. Who knows whats lurking

[magic sail]

More graves could be

[jolly thicket]

Honestly it's probably better for your sanity to do it fast lol

[magic sail]

5 times of the same achievement is a big accomplishment

[jolly thicket]

and i think the way it works, since the fast forwarding stops when hearts empty, you can take perfect care REALLY fast

[mint hazel]

That's cool makes sense that it would have a sped up mode like I know the connections did too

[carmine valve]

It'd be cool but the risk of breaking the device scares me

[jolly thicket]

afaik this is the only **vintage device we know that has a fast-forward mode, but now i want to look at my other devices to see if they have the same square pads on them lol

Yeah i wouldnt recommend doing it to your only mothra. But i'm also really bad at anything related to my hands

[mint hazel]

Yeah I'm not taking my Mothra apart for this I'll just try and raise it the old fashioned way (although idk if taking advantage of the new immortality information counts as old fashioned)

[jolly thicket]

Soldering. Anything

You kind of need it imo lol. Otherwise it can die if you're unlucky

[mint hazel]

Really? Isn't the debug mode on the connections similar?

[jolly thicket]

Sorry i meant only VINTAGE device lol

[mint hazel]

Yup that makes perfect sense I'm with you now

Although I'd definitely suspect more of them having something like this

Given this one does

[jolly thicket]

Yeah for sure

[mint hazel]

I am just so blown away by all of this

[jolly thicket]

i mean it would have been cooler if the grave was an actually different character with a unique sprite. but it's still cool

they may not have had the space to have a unique sprite

[mint hazel]

It would have been but I think it's amazing in of itself that we wanted to know how to get one secret character and it turns out there's a second secret character nobody even knew about??

It really sounds like something made up

[jolly thicket]

it does. it sounds like im lying

poorly

[mint hazel]

Imagine convincing everyone there's a secret grave character that's so hard to get nobody can prove you wrong

[jolly thicket]

tbf until somebody gets it on a real device, its kinda unproven lol. but i'm pretty sure it works

[magic sail]

I was out singing the mothra song non stop yesterday and I am going to convince myself that I helped send some vibes out to Mothra-san

[jolly thicket]

There was a chance i'd made a care mistake during the first mothra leo phase so lets say you changed the vibe so i didnt get one 😂

The weight creeping down is no joke, i didnt realize it was gonna do that until i saw it happening

so i was letting hearts empty more than i did on the 2nd mothra leo

[magic sail]

I noticed my peanuts justice dropped from nearly perfect to 0 after evolution

But it didnt during other evolutopns

[jolly thicket]

Yep peanut starts with zero. And it'll call 4 times

How much justice a character starts with is hard-coded

[mint hazel]

Can you not just feed it more to get the weight back up?

[jolly thicket]

Except for teens which can be 0 or 2 depending on how much justice they had in the child stage

[jolly thicket]

Not in this case, because it's more happy hearts decrementing than hungry hearts

As an artifact of the timing

[mint hazel]

But can you not feed it more food even if it's full?

Oh nevermind dumb question

[jolly thicket]

You cannot unfortunately

It's not a dumb question lol that would have been really convenient

[mint hazel]

How do you get its weight up at the start when it's just evolved then

[jolly thicket]

I just feed it a shit ton of candy. Exactly 39 candies

To make it immortal so it doesnt get sick

[mint hazel]

Ah

[magic sail]

So I was getting about 1 justice call a day, but didnt think i missed one and only got mothra grub justice to one stage from max.

[mint hazel]

And then you have no more candy hence the issue

[jolly thicket]

That was also scary cause that's a LOT of button presses to screw up lol. I was scared both times i did it

[mint hazel]

I get it

Yeah I am already scared counting my candy

[jolly thicket]

there's probably a safer strat where you feed 19, confirm 98 tons, work down to 60 tons, feed 19, confirm 98 tons, then feed 1 more for 39

If you dont want to count to such a high number

[magic sail]

Should I go for godzilla or reset?

[jolly thicket]

If you can get to 100% justice and you dont make any care mistakes, you WILL get godzilla. I think as long as the justice calls occurred fast enough

[mint hazel]

Ah wait so you can't use immortality on the child stage because you need to save the candy for the adult stage?

[jolly thicket]

You can use it on all the stages except baby i think. As long as you feed a multiple of 3 every time it doesn't affect the next stage

you shouldn't need to use it for anything other than the adults though, i dont think the child or teen can get sick enough times to die naturally

[mint hazel]

But Mothra grub brings the candy count to 30? So at Leo you'd only be able to feed 9 more candy to reach 39 total no?

[jolly thicket]

That's per stage

So you can feed 30 to mothra grub and then 39 to leo

it resets on evolution

[carmine valve]

Wait.. but your guide says it doesn't

[jolly thicket]

but the thingy that counts for multiple of 3 doesn't

there's 2 counters

[mint hazel]

Yeah I thought the guide said it was the other way around

[jolly thicket]

there's 1 that counts up to 3 and then resets. That one does not reset on evolution

the one that increments for every 3 candy does reset. I'll have to double-check what i wrote lol

[jolly thicket]

Yeah i think i wrote it poorly

[mint hazel]

So if I fed 4 to the baby stage then 17 to the child stage I actually need to feed it another 4 to enter immortality

[jolly thicket]

because there are two counters, one resets and one doesn't lol. I explained it bad

[jolly thicket]

Yes

[mint hazel]

Okay so you're saying that the sweet spot and immortality mode are 2 different things

And ideally you get both active at once

[jolly thicket]

they're the same thing

[mint hazel]

Oh okay nevermind I'm still confused

[carmine valve]

What I'm getting is you're saying that basically if you were part way to counting to three those particular candies will carry over?

[mint hazel]

Your example of feeding the child 1 candy and then Leo 38 candy is throwing me off

Because if it resets wouldn't you feed Leo 39 candy for immortality?

[jolly thicket]

Yeah

[carmine valve]

So at most you could carry over 2 candies?

[jolly thicket]

any candy you fed that werent a multiple of 3 carry over basically. Kind of

[jolly thicket]

Yeah

But the 39 number is like a "this will always work" number

[mint hazel]

Okay so I fed 4 as a baby which means 1 carries over

[jolly thicket]

Right

[carmine valve]

The remainder if you were doing long division

[mint hazel]

So for the child stage do I need to feed 21 candy or just 20

[jolly thicket]

You can still feed 21 to the child if you want and it will still be 'immortal' (i mean it will still evolve later)

But because you carried over 1 from the child, you could theoretically just feed 20 if you wanted

[mint hazel]

And both would activate immortality?

[jolly thicket]

because again its counting by multiples of 3

Right

[mint hazel]

So it'd be immortal on 20 and 21

[jolly thicket]

and 22. But if you feed 1 after that it leaves immortality

and has a high chance of getting sick lol

[mint hazel]

Oh okay

So it's the whole time it's in that multiple of 3 range

[jolly thicket]

right

[mint hazel]

So 20, 21, and 22 for mine

[jolly thicket]

yeah. you shouldnt need to do it for anything other than mothra leo though unless you really dont want to see it get sick lol

[mint hazel]

If it was at 20 then evolved is there carry over again

Because 20 isn't a multiple of 3

[jolly thicket]

not in your example because you've fed 21 in total

[mint hazel]

Ohh yeah okay

I was just going to do it because I thought ensuring they don't get sick would make it easier to get to Leo

[jolly thicket]

i never did it for child or teen tbh. Because they can only get sick once per day and they dont stay in that stage long enough to die from sickness

[carmine valve]

I was not paying attention to the candy I was feeding this baby so I should probably reset 'cause I'm only 30 min in XD

[jolly thicket]

i fed candy in my first run and it was OK, you just have to be careful not to feed an extra one when you're trying to get to immortality

[mint hazel]

But maybe I need a better understanding of what actually counts as a "care miss"

[jolly thicket]

which on my 2nd leo i accidentally fed 2 extra candies and i FREAKED

but it was ok

[hazy stream]

Oh my GOD Tama history has been made congrats you guys

[carmine valve]

When the call light comes on and you don't respond in 15 min and it goes off again

Getting sick is not a care mistake

[jolly thicket]

care miss is:
(1) hungry hearts empty and it calls for attention and you let it sit for 15 minutes
(2) same for happy hearts
(3) it goes to sleep and it calls for attention, i think you have about an hour to turn the lights off otherwise it's a care mistake

[carmine valve]

Oh right the turning off the lights gives you more than 15 min yeah

[jolly thicket]

the lights dont count as a care mistake when you're killing off the adult though which i thought was interesting lol

[hazy stream]

I feel like the Digimon community knew about care mistakes forever but the Tama community only caught on in the past two years

[jolly thicket]

yall kept it from us 😭 lol

[carmine valve]

Whoa it was that recent?

I only got into my tama obsession two years ago so I just assumed everyone always knew

[mint hazel]

Ah okay

[magic sail]

To me it seemed like care mistakes were known to get the whole p1/p2 cast

[mint hazel]

So the only time necessary for it not getting sick is as Leo

[jolly thicket]

care mistakes were not known in the vintage era i know that much

I thought we only learned about care mistakes because of a connection-era guide. Or am i mistaken

[jolly thicket]

Right

[smoky lotus]

Jumping on the bandwagon to say CONGRATS to you and the team that cracked this, I can't wait to run my Mothra again and get the final character (maybe not Hakakun tho... so the penultimate character)

[hazy stream]

I think so, maybe it was curlour's?

[carmine valve]

For awhile on the wiki I know there weren't care mistake numbers on the P1/P2 page even though there were on all the color tama pages

[jolly thicket]

i thought it was an official japanese one but again idk for sure i could be spreading misinformation

[magic sail]

So people thought only the meters mattered I guess?

[hazy stream]

The main theory was the number of hearts dropped so yes

And missed discipline calls

iirc

[carmine valve]

Ohhh I remember seeing that mentioned on a website

[mint hazel]

Thanks Rhubarb for answering my many questions and just being available to talk to everyone about your findings

[carmine valve]

*nodding*

[jolly thicket]

my single data point is that i used to read the mimitchi.com logs growing up and the person who ran that site did not know about care mistakes or discipline mistakes lol

She definitely thought it was about how many hearts dropped and how full the meter was

[hazy stream]

yeah lol it was the wild west out there

[jolly thicket]

i nerded out about this REAL hard so i'm glad people are interested lol

[hazy stream]

I think the Digimon community was more dedicated when it came to testing growth patterns so they figured it out ages ago

[mint hazel]

It's funny I've been playing with tamagotchis for nearly 20 years and I still didn't know how care mistakes really worked

[jolly thicket]

It's not an obvious concept. i dont think i would have figured them out on my own

[carmine valve]

It's a good thing to know since it's one thing they've kept consistent across every device

I feel like when I first started getting back into this there was a point where people thought care mistakes were a thing on later tamas but not on the P1/P2

[mint hazel]

So if I just let it evolve to Leo and then feed it 39 candy it'll be good to go

I'm excited to try this and see if I can get it

[jolly thicket]

They did change how discipline works between P1 and mothra, mothra actually does look at how full the bar is. It doesn't have a quiet 'mistakes' counter for discipline

[jolly thicket]

Yep!

[jolly thicket]

Hell yea.... enjoy lol

[carmine valve]

If I'm correct, on the original P1/P2 it only calls enough times to fill the bar so in practice that difference didn't matter up until they did the rereleases and it calls more

[jolly thicket]

yeah i think you're basically right

[mint hazel]

Does anyone know with changing batteries on a vintage how long you have to change the batteries before the data is lost?

[carmine valve]

Pretty sure you dont' get any time

[hazy stream]

I want to run my mothra now lol it's been years I think 😵😵

[jolly thicket]

It matters a little bit because the original P1/P2 can continue to call until you fill the meter i believe. But mothra is a set number of times it will call and then not again after that

[mint hazel]

Some people said earlier if you do it fast enough you can retain the save data

[jolly thicket]

Osu/mesu are a bit different after that because they can call at 100%

[jolly thicket]

i've never done this successfully (i tried it once on an osu). It might be possible if you're really REALLY fast but tbh i wouldnt risk it

[hazy stream]

Is there a Google doc with this guide? I want to save it lol

I keep scrolling up but the new messages keep bringing me all the way back down

Lolol

[carmine valve]

I mean theoretically you could get lucky if you're lightning fast but it's not like the gigapets or pocket neopets where they specifically allow you a few minutes

[jolly thicket]

I was gonna put it on my neocities at some point but currently no it's just here lol. I can send you my notepad if you want

[mint hazel]

Okay then I wonder how long vintage batteries typically last. I put brand new ones in but lasting for 2 months seems a bit tricky

[carmine valve]

I have had it happen before where I took the batteries out of a tama and the screen stayed on for a weirdly long time after lol

[mint hazel]

When I was trying to put batteries in my Mothra before it just kept having these 3 Japanese characters on the screen and it threw me off

I was like where is my egg

[jolly thicket]

it was saying でんち (battery)

[mint hazel]

Yeah battery

[jolly thicket]

because it thought the battery was low ig

i feel like i had a morino and devil sitting on the death screen for a good 3-4 months

[mint hazel]

Makes sense I thought that might be it cause I got new ones out then hitting reset fixed it

But why include a low battery warning if there's no way to save it anyway while switching

[jolly thicket]

i have P1/P2s that have been on the death screen for a year that are still going. the mothra is probably not that good though

[mint hazel]

Well there is but it's not an intentional way if it's that tricky to pull off

[carmine valve]

Only thing I can think of is maybe so you won't think your tama is broken if the screen went blank?

[mint hazel]

Okay then seems like getting 2 months out of it is very plausible then

[carmine valve]

I put some brand new batteries in mine and checked them with a multimeter to make sure they hadn't degraded

[jolly thicket]

yeah this really was the first time i'd ever run the mothra so i have no idea how long the batteries go normally lol

[jolly thicket]

Nice yeah i checked mine before putting them in and i think they were full

But they were a couple years old so...

who knows

[mint hazel]

If I can get Moll and Lora I'll try to go for Haka-kun but I doubt I'll get it

[jolly thicket]

i think the voltage may stay full and then suddenly drop to 0 too lol, like it's probably not a linear decrease

[carmine valve]

Idk how old mine were 'cause it was a pack of complementary batteries a mercari seller threw in with an order so I wanted to check XD

[jolly thicket]

the key thing is patience i think cause it literally takes... months... wild

[carmine valve]

Well I did check some of my used ones and they weren't full, they were lower voltages

[jolly thicket]

ooo

I guess what i meant is that just because you see a full voltage, unfortunately you can't measure how much longer they can go lol

[mint hazel]

I think real life tends to get in the way, I usually avoid pausing my tamagotchis. But in this case taking advantage of pausing it might be quite important

[carmine valve]

Pausing would help not missing anything since you have to avoid care mistakes for like two months but it is drawing out how long your batteries are gonna have to hold out for

[mint hazel]

Yeah although rhubarb said he had some that have been running for 4 months to a year so I'm sure I could get away with it

[jolly thicket]

the only tricky thing about pausing is in the adult stage since you need to know how long to go before you can kill it with care mistakes. But otherwise yeah it should be fine

[mint hazel]

That's a good point

[carmine valve]

Just make a note of how many hours have passed when you pause it I'd say

[jolly thicket]

But i guess if you can keep track of the 80-ish hours, it'd be ok

Yeah

i should update my script to account for pause times in between to adjust the windows... maybe i'll do that later...

when i paused i would just offset the time to get it back in sync, so my predictions stayed correct

[carmine valve]

So when you're got your best case and worst case for the evolution windows, what's the safest time to do it? Wait 80 hours? Is it possible to wait too long to kill and blow it?

[jolly thicket]

The safest is to wait for the worst case time to pass

if you're in immortality mode you have basically as long to kill it as you want

because it won't get sick which is the other thing that would kill it

[carmine valve]

So your only time limit would be if it died of sickness before you got a chance to kill with mistakes

[jolly thicket]

(well it wont get sick as long as you dont let 8 poops pile up lol)

Right

TECHNICALLY if you leave the hearts empty for 12 hours, that will kill it, but the care mistakes rack up too fast for that to matter

because once they're empty you can just leave them that way and it'll keep calling for attention & adding mistakes

and the happy/hungry both get counted if they're both empty

[carmine valve]

Just like on other tamas

[jolly thicket]

i think the p1/p2 don't work like that, which is how you get oldie strat

because the calls for attention overwrite each other lol

[carmine valve]

Oh interesting

[jolly thicket]

yeah on mothra it's literally two separate timers for hunger care mistake and happy care mistake. And a separate one again for turning off the lights

on P1/P2 it was just 1

[magic sail]

Wowo

Its so complex

Im afraid i probably cant even get mothra leo

Now im wondering what kind of ridiculous hidden character could be on the TamaOtch

[jolly thicket]

i think i made it sound more complicated than it really is lol, to get to mothra leo you just have to make no care mistakes and catch all justice calls. So it's the same as getting mametchi

the candy stuff is optional-ish if you're ok with a little bit of luck

[mint hazel]

I just... fed mine another candy without thinking. Not falling back on automatic habits is tricky

[worldly gulch]

Hey @jolly thicket quick question, for your character stat file, what does "Pity Number for Justice" mean?

[magic sail]

I dont think ive gotten mametchi on a vintage 0_o. Definitely on a connection

Ill try

[jolly thicket]

the fact that it keeps the arrow on the last thing you fed trips me up a lot too

[mint hazel]

It helped me here cause I did it so automatically I couldn't even remember if I'd fed it one or not

[magic sail]

This happens all the time

[mint hazel]

But seeing the arrow on the option proves I did it

[jolly thicket]

It's basically a timer since discipline is random (with a possibility of calling once an hour). So if it decides not to call for justice, it will decrement the number instead. And if it gets to zero, it will ALWAYS call for justice

i havent gamed it out to see if it actually guarantees you can always get all the justice calls in time for evolution, in the worst case

[mint hazel]

The harder part for me is going to be not missing the justice calls

[jolly thicket]

in practice it generally seemed like it would make all its calls in 1 day

Yeah that's always the hardest thing. I forget how long you have to catch the justice call

[mint hazel]

15 minutes? I think?

[worldly gulch]

I've had varying experiences. Sometimes it makes all its calls in one day, sometimes within 24 hours, and rarely over the course of a few days.

[mint hazel]

Wow got my first one just now as we were talking

[jolly thicket]

yeah im definitely wondering if you can get REAAALLY unlucky and it doesnt call enough lol. But i chose to put faith in bandai that they calculated it right

[mint hazel]

How many do you need to get as a child and then as a teen

Because it resets back down as a teen right

[jolly thicket]

the optimal is to get at least 2 as a child, so that it starts with 50% as a teen

[worldly gulch]

Well I've never had an experience where it didn't make all its calls before evolving.

[mint hazel]

Okay that doesn't sound too bad

[magic sail]

Im pretty sure i didnt get enough calls

[jolly thicket]

that's good then lol

[worldly gulch]

The child always makes three before becoming a teen.

[mint hazel]

And then as a teen you need to get another 2?

[magic sail]

I was getting 1 justice call per day

[jolly thicket]

Right

[magic sail]

But i got like 90% percent of the way before it evolved

[jolly thicket]

You can still get mothra leo even if your teen starts with 0 justice. So you missed 2-3 justice calls as a child. But again im not sure if there's a luck thing that can screw you over

[mint hazel]

Okay that doesn't sound too bad I think I can do this

[magic sail]

Oh peanut just called again

[jolly thicket]

[magic sail]

No

Sorry

[jolly thicket]

Oh lol i was gonna say if it evolved, thats mad fast i think lol

Angry peanut...

[magic sail]

But its calling way more often

Is peanut technically teen

[mint hazel]

How long is it meant to take between child and teen stage

[jolly thicket]

it's an adult

[mint hazel]

And how long between teen and adult

[jolly thicket]

the discipline call can theoretically happen once an hour so if it calls a lot it's not that weird. Im pretty sure i had that happen

[magic sail]

Like 3 days

[mint hazel]

I know it becomes a cocoon for an hour before becoming an adult

[jolly thicket]

It's a little bit random.... the child i think is at least 24 waking hours, and the teen is at least 40 waking hours

[mint hazel]

Okay cool thanks again

[worldly gulch]

Yeah, the cocoon is sorta just a formality, it's already picked out your adult by then. You can even go to the scale icon to see if its weight changed

[mint hazel]

Yup cool

[jolly thicket]

Lol yeah i noticed that

[mint hazel]

3 weeks is really insane no wonder nobody has managed this before

[jolly thicket]

speaking of weight im pretty sure i have the moll & lora weight wrong in the wiki so i need to check what i screwed up. They're at like 70 right now, i thought they were gonna go to 1

i wonder if their weight didnt change when they evolved or something for weird technical reasons... not sure

[worldly gulch]

No no, weight doesn't change if the next stage's base weight is lower than its current weight.

For example, Fairy's base weight is 1, but it'll always start with 30 or 20 for its weight because of the teens it evolves from.

[jolly thicket]

ahhhh yeah that makes sense

that tracks with what i remember from the code, i think i just read it a bit wrong

[jolly thicket]

https://vxtwitter.com/tamagotchiwiki/status/1798506026964316172

this infographic is so nice

the additional complicated stuff with candy was wisely omitted lol

[mint hazel]

Well the candy is more of a strategy thing than a necessary component so that makes sense

[jolly thicket]

yeah

[magic sail]

2046: holy crap Oyajitchi is hidden on the uni

[jolly thicket]

2046 somebody solves P = NP just to crack the encryption on the uni

[stray canopy]

I'm late to the party, but congrats on figuring this out! This is absolutely incredible! : D

[stuck horizon]

I'm way behind and I know I probably can't ask this here so I'm not but are you going to dump all the rooms for the V1 style ones?

[silk quartz]

Best news since sliced bread. Well done to everyone involved in this project and rhubarb for the hugely detailed write up. I'm shook 😮

[wispy scaffold]

this is incredible!!!! maybe ill run my mothra again this break 😳

[tender urchin]

oh my GOD

YOU DID IT YOU FOUND THE THING

THAT'S actually AMAZING

almost 3 decades of ???

and you solved it

[past fern]

That's amazing !!! The mystery is finally solved

[hidden basalt]

WOW!! I remember hearing about this mystery years ago and now it’s finally solved!

and the grave character is so interesting! i wonder why it was added

[jovial cove]

It's so impressive ! I used to fall asleep thinking about this mystery when I started collecting seriously and now it's solved !

[hidden basalt]

im obsessed with unused/hidden stuff in games so this is amazing to learn
now I wonder if there’s any grain of truth hidden in the “raisable debirutchi” rumor on the angel

[upbeat basin]

Wow that is amazing!! Knowing it been hidden for 26 years is just crazy! Love to learn things like that in our time! Thank you for sharing your knoweldge!

[jolly thicket]

its the ultimate easter egg... there's a good chance the developers thought nobody would notice or be able to get it

the mothra CPU has a lot more RAM and ROM space than the P1 so maybe they were just flexin the extra freedom lol

[tawdry quail]

Fair that truly sounds like they didn't expect anyone to find this

Cause how would anyone just randomly come across that?

[jolly thicket]

the conditions are hard enough that it's not realistically achievable normally

Yeah lol

[jolly thicket]

i remember rumors about raiseable devil from the 90s lol, that would be wild if there was something like that in there. the angel has so many characters that i'd be truly shocked if there were another one

angel and tamaotch were the other 2 units i sent to be imaged along with the mothra, so maybe eventually we'll have an answer lol. But it'll take a while, it was like a year ago that i sent them off

[tawdry quail]

Would it be possible to do the same with the angel and devil?

[jolly thicket]

Probably. Although one of the guys i worked with got a mesu and thinks it uses the same CPU as a different device he looked at (different from P1/mothra), and you can't visually read the bits off that. So hopefully the osu/mesu are a freak case

[hidden basalt]

oooh tamaotch is an obscure one

[jolly thicket]

Yeah i dont think anybody knows how it works, except for like 1 person who posted their techniques on tamatalk years ago

but people dont really seem to like playing it so maybe nobody's really put time into it 😂

[hidden basalt]

it’s kind of a strange concept for a tama lol

imagine if there was a vpet based off an american celebrity

[jolly thicket]

i'm sure there's an oddpet from the 90s with that theme lol. There's gotta be

[hidden basalt]

lol probably

[grand frigate]

Missingno?

[jolly thicket]

Lol kinda

Missingno was supposed to be from pokemon that got removed so the analogy makes sense

[grand frigate]

After reading the requirements, I'm not at all surprised this took so long to figure out tbh

It's so arbitrary that I think most people would never see the twins at all

[jolly thicket]

yeah the weight requirement is what does it. That's a very weird range to require lol, and you have to do it twice

[grand frigate]

If somebody did randomly happen to stumble into them, they'd probably have no idea what caused it

Yeah

I don't think it's impossible for somebody to have done it once, but twice in a row is really evil

[jolly thicket]

Yeah lol. Especially with no real feedback so you dont know if you messed it up 😂

[ashen pewter]

I'm still shocked at the living grave thing. Is it a reference to mothra lore? The Lucky poo made more sense as it had a face while on mothra it's a literal object.

[hidden basalt]

does haka-kun have animations or is it just static?

[jolly thicket]

It moves around the screen like a normal character does, but it is otherwise just the literal grave sprite lol

its kind of creepy honestly it has undead vibes 😂

[hidden basalt]

it’s so creepypasta-like

[jolly thicket]

No idea about lore tbh lol, i'm a fake fan and have never seen any mothra movies

[jolly thicket]

YEA

[hidden basalt]

watch out for realistic blood

[grand frigate]

It feels like haka-kun could be a glitch but knowing what I do about it, it seems near impossible to have accidentally made it load the death sprite after getting the twins five times

[jolly thicket]

It's not a glitch, it's clearly part of the growth chart logic

[grand frigate]

It's so weird

[jolly thicket]

and it has an entry in the character table like any normal character

the actual grave has a different entry

[grand frigate]

Somebody at bandai was def trolling

"Haha the chances of anybody finding this are one in a billion but it's gonna freak them the hell out if they do find it, and they'll never be able to replicate it"

-bandai, probably

[ashen pewter]

Wonder if anyone in the community is knowledgeable of the mothra movies? I wonder if we can find what this grave looks like

[hidden basalt]

kind of reminds me of bad EGG in pokemon but less messed up

[ashen pewter]

I already had Ghogo ruined for me so let's see the real life version of this grave lol. He was adorable on the tamagotchi not so much irl

[grand frigate]

I have a coworker who might know stuff. I'll ask next time we work together

[hidden basalt]

creature

[jolly thicket]

Ghogo is a literal furby..

[grand frigate]

Why does he have a flesh antenna

[hidden basalt]

omg he looks like a custom one

[jolly thicket]

i think @bronze cliff has seen the mothra movie

[hidden basalt]

long furby has nothing on ghogo

[ashen pewter]

His tail or whatever is disgusting

[jolly thicket]

[hidden basalt]

he has bracelets on it he’s a fancy boy

[jolly thicket]

he looks very wise. He knows the secrets of the world...

[bronze cliff]

I havent seen the one the tama is based on actually! I gotta add it to my plex server eventually

Now I've started my mothra we can watch it together

[modern saddle]

holy moly i just saw that someone cracked the code on twitter of all places and i RAN here

this is insane op omfg

hits home bc i did so many hatches including one group hatch here trying different things for them!!!! i am so invested CONGRATS

[odd bronze]

WOW kudos for cracking this mystery!

Now I want a mothra tama.

[ashen pewter]

I tried to condense it into a easy to save refrence but it's so much info. Discord might ruin the quality. Mothra was the most simplest vintage tamagotchi for years until this one character changed that. 😅

[jolly thicket]

thats a lot of text 😂

[magic sail]

Lore wise it does all make sense Mothra comes back the second time reborn in a new form.

[ashen pewter]

Someone should make it into a simple chart/guide. Don't look at me...I know that's what I do but wow that's a lot. 🤣 The mothra went from being a single page guide to a complete novel

[bronze cliff]

Ooh i love writing guides

I can make a nice lil guide

[grand frigate]

https://youtube.com/shorts/skz9odeewpc?si=_R8LhUnVkB8X7-XI

Which Mothra movie is the mothra tama based on?

[magic sail]

And the 5 deaths might be related to the the different generations of mothra since the first was like 1962 and the batoras are in the 90s movies

So maybe a whole series amalgam

The first mothra movies plot is literally to rescue moll and lora from humans

[magic sail]

I was just looking into this and its from all over the franchise

Too bad Ghidora wasnt hiding on the Mothra

After Mothra dies its child is a larva for like two movies

Id say the idea of good care of mothra might be considered replicating the movies themes of mothras death and rebirth but to an extreme

Mothra attacked tokyo tower in the first movie

[jolly thicket]

theres a mothra movie where mothra isnt a moth?

thats weird

[magic sail]

Its actually Mothra leo who is the son of the first movies mothra

[bronze cliff]

First step of my guide is gonna have to be to watch these movies and understand the lore haha

[magic sail]

It seems like leo is a larva the whole Ghidorah movie of the 60s

[bronze cliff]

I'm ngl I'm more of a godzilla fan than a mothra fan

[magic sail]

Also there was a tv show around the time of the tamagotchi

Ive been going down the mothra hole

And the symbol that is the tama background is seen in the 1992 movie on a cave painting by an ancient civilization

Im havent seen enough movies but in the clips i saw it only popped up in that one

https://youtu.be/k1fhzxf94wM?si=6tEOCAjkSgbeoAny

[jolly thicket]

i dont like how they made mothra less cute over time lol

look at the early one thats my buggy buddy. Cuddly child

[magic sail]

Ignore how she butchers the word hiragana as “haira-gaina”

[jolly thicket]

😭

thats my pet peeve in videos lol getting japanese wrong

[magic sail]

It made my ears perk in offence

[hidden basalt]

i hate it toooo

[magic sail]

Old mothra was fluffy

[hidden basalt]

mothra owners running to start up the tama after reading this thread

[magic sail]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-stephen-a-smith-gif-13112895

Me running mine for weeks

[umbral bobcat]

the first mothra on this thumbnail is best mothra

[jolly thicket]

it'd be interesting if prices for them rose after this lol

[hidden basalt]

stonks

[magic sail]

Wished i looked for a blue

[hidden basalt]

[magic sail]

Still 12 bucks was a steal

[grand frigate]

We need to get the roms dumped for the devilgotch and santaclautch to hunt for secrets on those

[wide flax]

ive watched them! big fan of how awful they are
the grave isnt a character or anything, i think its just a silly secret tama thing

*specifically referencing the Rebirth trilogy which afaik is the basis for this tama

[hidden basalt]

ooooh devilgotch

is there a tcrf page for tamas? this could belong there

[odd bronze]

problem is that the only way to get the roms is to render the tama unplayable I think... a bit of an L with something as rare as the devil.

[hidden basalt]

an ultimate sacrifice…

[wide flax]

for the greater good

[bronze cliff]

I think this was already spoken about but there's been a lot of chat its hard to keep up
With the mothra rom, do we think it'd be possible to have that working with the p1 emulator we already have? Might be an easier option for trying to get the secret secret character

[magic sail]

If a ton of people pay a couple bucks into a devil crowd fund maybe

200 $2 pledges?

[jolly thicket]

it takes some small modifications to get working but i do have a working MAME setup for it. (i havent upstreamed it yet and probably wont have time for a while). i was able to prove to myself that it does work as expected but ofc the real proof is getting it on the actual device

the fastest / easiest thing, if you're willing to solder, is to enable the fast-forward mode i posted about in another forum post @bronze cliff #1248053263979380796

and that's on physical hardware

[bronze cliff]

If I had a spare mothra, I'd give it a go!

How is that vs swapping in a superspeed resonator?

I could make a triple speed mothra cause i have some spares lol

[jolly thicket]

it's better than swapping the resonator because you have more control

because the fast forward stops when the hearts empty. so you can prevent care mistakes

[bronze cliff]

OH wonderful

Ah i wish I wasn't on a proxy order ban

Bought too many other fun things

[carmine valve]

I'm just looking at the stats text file and I cannot figure out what "16s of hours" means

[jolly thicket]

i'll ping you later about it hard to explain on mobile

[magic sail]

Funny side note: Moll and Lora are played by twin singers in the original film who go by the name The Peanuts

[bronze cliff]

We had them this whole time

[jolly thicket]

The # of hours a character stays in a stage is a hexidecimal number. So it's 16 * <the character-specific stat> + <a random number between 0 and 15> waking hours in that stage

well the 1's digit is OR'd with 8, so you're gonna have at LEAST 8 hours in the 1s place no matter what

So that's how i got 80 hours with mothra leo for example. 4 * 16 + worst case 15 + worst case ~1 extra hour for 80 total hours

the number of minutes in the stage uses the current tens place on the clock at evolution time, and then a random number for 1s. So if it's 17:45 the minutes counter will initialize as a number between 40 and 49

but again during real gameplay you can't really tell to that level of detail lol so i just round up to an hour

[umbral bobcat]

what sort of mad scientist mathematicians do they hire to come up with these parameters 😱

[jolly thicket]

Lol

it's an interesting evolution from the P1, where the amount of time they spend in each stage is exactly predetermined and not random at all

[odd bronze]

hexadecimal isn't weird for computer stuff.

[jolly thicket]

but Mothra uses a lot more randomness EVERYWHERE (P1 it's only in the game) so this was the way they devised to have stuff like child < teen < adult for length of time in stage, while allowing variation in the overall time

Tbf hex is kinda weird in this case because you'd think hours WOULD be tracked in decimal like minutes are. but i think most of the device uses hex for them

[carmine valve]

So it evolves to a teenager in rougly 16 hours?

Oh wait I just reread it

It's 16 + a random number between 1 and 15?

[jolly thicket]

it can be anywhere from 24 to 32 yeah

right

Waking hours, sleep doesn't count

[carmine valve]

So when you say 24 to 32 that's with sleep

wait no except 16+15 is 31... so is it really between 8 and 15? I'm not sure what "OR'd with 8" means

[jolly thicket]

Sleep doesnt count towards evolution

Otherwise it'd be way faster than it is lol

I think i got too technical, basically consider that it's 16 * <character stat> + <random number between 8 and 15> hours

[carmine valve]

Ok that makes sense now so 16 + 1's not a thing that would happen. That's what confused when you said the minium was 24 I didn't know if you just threw in sleep but now I get it

[jolly thicket]

Right. Yeah sorry about the confusion lol

[carmine valve]

*looks at my little grub inching around on my mothra screen* There's so much math in you

[bronze cliff]

Haha this is so true

I'm just focusing on good care for now but there's definitely a ticking time bomb where I'll have to actually understand this

Hopefully I can make a beautiful guide while I figure it out!

[umbral bobcat]

I’m really hoping the angel/devilgotchi will happen soon enough, would the angel be similar in its programming to the p1/2 given how close it was to releasing after the originals? I’m curious what the heart drop rate timing is but also no guide has really definitively explained how AP and deeds meter matters in terms of evolution as far as I can tell

[magic sail]

My peanut woke up this morning and first thing: attack tokyo tower

Which is guess makes sense

The people making the toys in the 90s probably saw the 1960s movies as kids

[bitter kernel]

I litterally ran here and joined

I got a mortha tama last month

[smoky lotus]

Ok since we have the ROM… any tricks to the game?

[magic sail]

Peanut has maxed out justice

[jolly thicket]

I feel comfortable saying it's purely random

with 1 caveat, that the justice meter influences how likely you are to win or lose any given choice

0 justice has the highest chance of winning (68.75%), 1-2 has the lowest chance (43.75%), and 3-4 has an average chance (56.25%).

i didnt look THAT close at it but basically i found the logic that increments the counter of how many correct choices you made. And that logic is purely determined by the RNG in the device

(that % is also assuming a uniform distribution for the RNG which idk if thats really the case. i just said that's 'probably close enough')

[smoky lotus]

Thanks - Interesting that it’s related to justice! I guess peanut is the most lucky then xD

[gilded needle]

Where can I find that emulator ?

[bronze cliff]

https://github.com/jcrona/tamatool/
Here I think
Can't remember where I found it last time i played with it

[gilded needle]

Oh cool TY 🙂 but only P1 can be played on it?

[bronze cliff]

Yup!

[gilded needle]

🫡

[tawdry cipher]

Did you post the method elsewhere or is it safe to try and scroll up? Lol 👀

[umbral bobcat]

https://twitter.com/tamagotchiwiki/status/1798506026964316172?s=61

Tamagotchi Wiki (@TamagotchiWiki) on X

Here now is a quick guide on how to obtain Moll & Lora on the Mothra Tamagotchi, based on Rhubarb Pie's discovery. #tamagotchi #たまごっち

Twitter · Jun 6, 2024, 12:03 AM

theres this simplified version

[bronze cliff]

And the condensed screenshot of everything

[tawdry cipher]

Thank y'all!

Has it been added to the wiki, too? 🤔

[jolly thicket]

I updated the character list and the moll & lora page but it's not as comprehensive

[tawdry cipher]

So excited to run my Mothragotchi again now!

[glad edge]

Literally searched out this server to congratulate you & everyone who contributed! Great job! 😄

[worldly gulch]

@jolly thicket You made the news! https://www.gamesradar.com/games/simulation/virtual-pet-expert-cracks-a-27-year-old-tamagotchi-mystery-to-unlock-secret-characters-in-3-weeks/

[magic sail]

Wrong device dammit /j

Didnt even choose the one with the bugs

Congrats Rhubarb!

[odd bronze]

Wow you made the news!

also I'm not surprised they didn't have access to a mothra tama.

[jolly thicket]

Ngl i wasnt expecting this to get as big as it did. I was pretty sure only a few oldheads would care

[magic sail]

Ive been reeling over it for a few weeks. lol i shouldnt have distrated myself with meets nonsense

So i could have shot for any version of mothra

[odd bronze]

they say everyone gets 15 minutes of fame.

[devout pawn]

You are officially the Tamagotchi ~doggod

[devout pawn]

Petition to give rhubarb a special unique userrole to honour this momentous occasion

[hidden basalt]

wow a whole article! they really should have used a mothra image it’s not that hard to look it up

[devout pawn]

Considering all the Digimon similarity that's already on the Mothra, I wonder if Ohakadamon had any degree of inspiration for the idea to make the gravestone an actual character

https://wikimon.net/Ohakadamon

Never seen anything from the book that gave it its name, though

[rancid pilot]

was legit hinking that LMAO this is insane level of discovery

[ebon thunder]

Wow very impressive, I just read it now. I thought it was impossible. Also I am very surprised at the new secret character. Congrats!

[ebon thunder]

YES

[jolly thicket]

its not really a character i think its more of an example of japanese liking puns and adding stuff to the ends of sentences

"ohakadamon" is a full japanese sentence lol

"its a grave"

[devout pawn]

Could just be a pun, or it could be a legit Digimon the same way that Obaketchi's more than a death screen

[bronze cliff]

I think its a sign that it's time to put the tama down cause you've done to much lol

"Okay, you got moll and lora 5 times. Please do something else"

[devout pawn]

No way of finding out until (and if) scans of the book emerge

[devout pawn]

But now all it's done is made us wonder if any other models have raisable death screen characters

[jolly thicket]

Yeah i could definitely see it as being a misunderstanding / mistranslation of the text lol

In fact there was a very similar misunderstanding yesterday about the genjintch book that i cleared up #off-topic message

it is true that the mothra grave looks a LOT like the digimon one though lol

[devout pawn]

Damn it, there was a scan on the Digimon wiki but the link is dead

https://digimon.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Ohakadamon

[jolly thicket]

i said this in the guide but i would bet 5 bucks that the skull egg thing on genjintch has a secret raiseable version lol

[devout pawn]

oh

https://web.archive.org/web/20160204160915/http://devkyu.digifandub.net/dats/scans/digimonking_80-81.jpg

[jolly thicket]

Lol the text on the right margin

"are the digimon christians??"

[devout pawn]

Wikimon's profile seems to be the same as what's displayed below the sprite(s)

死んでしまった、デジモンのねむるお墓。最愛のモンスター達との、最後のお別れの時でもある。シンプルな十字架が美しい。
A grave in which a Digimon who has passed away was laid to rest. It also acts as the final farewell to a beloved monster before its final departure. There is beauty to be found in the simplicity of its cross-shape.

[jolly thicket]

it's a "name" but the name is "uhhhh its a grave lol"

[devout pawn]

It's also written in hiragana except for the mon at the end, which is very unusual for Digimon

[jolly thicket]

Monzaemon right above it

[devout pawn]

Monzaemon and its variants comprise most of the few with hiragana in their names IIRC

[jolly thicket]

oh lol

[devout pawn]

I wonder what the grave sprites are referred to in the files for Ver. S and Ver. WonderSwan?

[worldly gulch]

@jolly thicket You’re in the news again! https://www.timeextension.com/news/2024/06/after-27-years-this-tamagotchi-mystery-has-been-solved-in-absolutely-brutal-fashion

[jolly thicket]

my hand is all over the internet

[devout pawn]

There's no coming back from this

Thou art immortalised

You have achieved levels of godhood that few, quite possibly nobody else in the fandom can reach

[jolly thicket]

hmm thats maybe a little spicy lol. its funny though. Look up "costanza hand model" clips on youtube..

[devout pawn]

I hope that Twitter user who worked on the pixelart sees one of these articles

Or your photos and documentation

Gotta wonder what they've got to think about a secret that lasted nearly thirty years

[jolly thicket]

Lol she replied to a comment on that tweet with the pixel art and was like

"i never owned or played with one" 😂

[devout pawn]

oh my god

The ultimate irony

[jolly thicket]

I do hope that some old programmer out there eventually sees it and is like.... damn my greatest secret has been found...

"old" they could be in their 50s

[devout pawn]

I really really hope at least one of the Mothra devs is still kicking

It'd be such a shame for them to miss out on the biggest thing in vpet history so far

[jolly thicket]

i think the news will eventually percolate into the japanese community

Maybe i'll get a C&D from bandai that would be a real badge of honor... i'll be like "wow you guys heard about it... thats cool..."

[bronze cliff]

Its a better written article than the other one! And actually has the right tama in the thumbnail

[worldly gulch]

https://fxtwitter.com/_moshix2/status/1763885654189257184 omg, the person who did the pixel art for the Mothra Tama

[jolly thicket]

YEA

that's very cool, you can tell it's not the final document

the cocoon design is definitely different

the egg is a little different i think?

and it looks like has a little antenna or mohawk or something lol

[bronze cliff]

looks so cute with his antenna

And no mouth

[jolly thicket]

Also no twins or ghogo is interesting

[bronze cliff]

Maybe they're on a different sheet?

[jolly thicket]

maybe? but i mean there's definitely space for more characters there lol

[worldly gulch]

The egg’s pattern is a bit different and it doesn’t have the “shadow” that’s normally under it.

And the cocoon isn’t leaning on the Tokyo Tower

[jolly thicket]

i wish you could filter twitter accounts for specific words

i dont want to wade through 12,000 tweets for more tama mentions 😂

heres 1 though https://vxtwitter.com/_moshix2/status/1783117829006590098

it specifically says she was subcontracted to work on it (下請け) so may not have been a bandai employee

[rancid pilot]

you can! if you go to their profile, ther should be a search bar at the top you can use

(if i understood your request correctly)

but yeah you can also manually do it by typing 'from:etc word'

[jolly thicket]

ohh ok so there's a from operator. Got it

[hidden basalt]

all these discoveries are making me want to take out a tama again

[rancid pilot]

and the search bar is up there top right

[jolly thicket]

i'm on desktop so i don't have that magnifying glass button

[jolly thicket]

[rancid pilot]

i started up my mothra just today actually LMAO

[jolly thicket]

i hadnt played one for about a year until now lol

[rancid pilot]

ive got one last exam next tuesday and then its holidays so i figured i may as well

this is actually insane thank you so muhc for your wokr btw

ive been explaining how much of a big deal this is to my friends and literally anyone who'll listen and theyre so done with me

[jolly thicket]

lmaoo

[bronze cliff]

I told my mum expecting her eyes to glaze over and she genuinely was like "wow that's cool"

[rancid pilot]

same lmaooooo

ive been tryna explain it to my mum and she straight up falls asleep

the disrespect 😭

and then i was liek. is this not insane?? its almost impossible to figure out!
And shes like. no i think you could do it youre insane about tamagotchis
mother. you do not understand 💀 this is next level stuff

[worldly gulch]

https://kotaku.com/tamagotchi-mothra-moll-and-lora-twins-playable-1851525415 KOTAKU ARTICLE @jolly thicket

[rancid pilot]

holyyyyyyyyy shit

3 articles in 24 hours

[jolly thicket]

it'd be cool if that screenshot was from the author actually hatching their own mothra..

[rancid pilot]

unfortunately i think its just from atlanticraven's video on the mothra 😔

[bronze cliff]

YAY THATS US

This bit is annoying though cause the quote is referring to the grave, but the article makes it sound like moll and lora had 0 documentation

[worldly gulch]

Dammit Kotaku

[hidden basalt]

im on a trip rn but when i get home… time to bring out the

[worldly gulch]

I’m already on it.

[rancid pilot]

grubtime over here too

[bronze cliff]

Same! I love my lil grub

[jolly thicket]

Unofficial mothra hatch

[jolly thicket]

btw this is super cool lol

[bronze cliff]

Maybe we need a hatch channel haha

[odd bronze]

I wish I had a mothra now.

[jolly thicket]

I guess i can kinda see the broader appeal to this story. It's a story of well-hidden secrets & easter eggs

[odd bronze]

people love that stuff.

[jolly thicket]

everybody likes that stuff i think yeah lol

[bronze cliff]

Yeah I feel like even without knowing about tamss, it is cool be be like "a 26 year old mystery was solved"

[wide flax]

The A and C buttons are talking to me... telling me to Try For Twins...

[odd bronze]

dooo it

[merry nimbus]

Doooooo it

[hidden basalt]

go little grubs! become mothra leo and lay that egg

also it’s funny how the tama version of the twins looks nothing like the movie

they look like mikachu

[topaz oak]

Eager to learn more about those behind the dumping process for obvious reasons. Great work, this is really important stuff.

[hidden basalt]

since i don’t have a mothra but want to keep the secret character energy going i might try for the twin ants on my morino sometime

[jolly thicket]

this is so funny to me lol, like at bandai they were clearly like... uhh how do we make mothra more tama-like... alright make the twins into mikachus... MEETING ADJOURNED

[magic sail]

Im behind lol my peanut still hasnt evolved

Its day 10 today

[rancid pilot]

I'm honestly never going to get over lucky haka kun

Genuine whiplash while i was reading thru the og post
It's so insane to me to have a truly secret character that's never even been hinted at anywhere

Makes me wonder if there's anything else like that out there
We still haven't figured out the genjin de evo mechanic either

[magic sail]

Do i reset or keep going?

Who am i kidding like im gonna get the twins

[jolly thicket]

my discord shows this message being posted on 6/4 at 6:03 PM my time #tama-pics message

assuming that time was when it evolved, the window for evolution is
best case: 2024-06-06 16:03:00
worst case: 2024-06-07 11:02:00

(also in my time zone)

so unless you've paused at all, your time window for it to evolve has passed, because it's 11:41 AM for me currently

keep in mind you had to make zero care mistakes (happy/hungry hearts empty, or leaving on lights too long after it goes to sleep), and the justice also had to be 100% by the time it checked to see whether peanut would evolve

and i'm still not sure if there are cases where you can get unlucky and it doesn't call for justice often enough before evolving. But if that can happen, its way more likely for mayura because it evolves so quickly

Like if it was supposed to evolve at 5 PM my time yesterday and you didnt get the last justice call until 6 PM, then you were screwed lol

[magic sail]

I paused for a funeral for a few hours couple days agi

I got all the justice calls maxed

[jolly thicket]

oh ok. maybe try letting it go all day today then and see what happens

[magic sail]

But i may have made a care mistake

Cant remembrr

Mothra is slow

For being a fast unit

[jolly thicket]

[magic sail]

Does mayura live past when it would evolve to Godzilla

Or will peanut live indefinitely

Just ordered my genjintch and tamaotch for next attempt

[umbral bobcat]

https://www.404media.co/a-27-year-old-tamagotchi-mystery-has-been-solved/

has anyone posted this article yet?

[jolly thicket]

404 media was the only one that reached out to me to ask questions, but i didn't respond to their message until this morning so i guess it was too late

[jolly thicket]

Peanut can't live indefinitely because you can't use immortality strat on it. So it will eventually die from sickness

[magic sail]

So the trick to the twins was in the movie title

[umbral bobcat]

didn’t one digimon get straight up crucified in the og adventure series

[magic sail]

Rebirth Mothra twice

[jolly thicket]

lol i'd believe this but i dont remember, it's been too long since i watched it

[umbral bobcat]

I think they censored it in the English show but in Japanese version I think gabumon got crucified

found it

[wide flax]

Pokemon gym leaders got crucified in one of the BW Japanese manga chapters too

why is everyone crucified in monster pal media

[umbral bobcat]

it has its own know your meme page 😂

[umbral bobcat]

I can’t believe they didn’t bother to wait to see if you’d respond 😂

[jolly thicket]

tbf i responded like 24 hours later, and they probably felt pressure because a lot of articles came out around the same time

the hype only lasts so long lol

[umbral bobcat]

true

[jolly thicket]

theres a game where all the party members get crucified, i cant say which game because its a huge spoiler. But if you know you know 😂

[umbral bobcat]

a main line pokemon game??

or was it one of the dungeon explorers

[hidden basalt]

haka-kun made it onto the tamagotchi wiki!

[jolly thicket]

not pokemon lol that would never happen in a pokemon game

[magic sail]

Not me looking at my pokewalker like : what damned secrets are you holding?

[hidden basalt]

https://tamagotchi.fandom.com/wiki/Lucky_Haka-Kun