Fleet chat not keeping messages

[jagged summit]

I posted messages earlier today, and updated a fleet announcement. The messages are all missing and no announcement is shown.

[last cape]

To add to this, Trist's anouncement did not show up (last one is 5 days old) and the announcements dont even show up in the fleet chat unless you load them via the fleet room.

[plain gale]

Unable to replicate. Are you still having the same problem?

[jagged summit]

I see some messages this morning. The oldest being 7 hours old. No fleet announcement shows up in the chat.

[jagged summit]

Still have this issue where only a few hours of chat is visible. Fleet chat is not a useful option if nobody can see any messages because they disappear every handful of hours

[jagged summit]

Unfortunately, this is still happening. Fleet chat is not useful if members cannot see messages older than just a few hours.

[river tundra]

Do you have donation messages turned off? Then I can explain to you why this happens (except for the announcement part).

tl;dr:

long version: The game downloads the latest 20 messages from the server. This can be donation/borrow messages. Then after downloading the latest 20 messages, the donation/borrow messages get filtered out, if you enabled the setting.
This makes it seem like the fleet chat is completely empty.

One would expect the setting to be sent to the server along with the request to get fleet chat messages and have the donation/borrow messages filtered out before the game downloads them from the server, but this isn't the case.

If your fleet donates/borrows a lot this can mean that any real message gets lost within minutes.

[jagged summit]

That makes sense, but why rework the chat and only show the last 20 messages ever, and exclude all the actual messages ever?

It can't be that big of a load on the server to get actual chat messages, even considering the poor design of the messages table

[river tundra]

It's always been the last 20 messages (not 100% sure about the actual number). At least when you open it the first time. If you keep it open, more messages will appear. Similar to how you only get to see the last 20 messages in pub chat and only keep more on your device, if you keep the chat open.

Why it was made this way idk 🤷

[jagged summit]

I guess they're doing top 20 messages where type = fleet?

Just 20 is crazy, but also, they must already have a flag to distinguish between fleet chat and fleet dono messages

[river tundra]

Yeah, there's a message type and the client (the app/game) filters out the messages based on it I'm sure.

I just know from looking at the network traffic that the donation/borrow messages get downloaded from the server, even if they aren't displayed.

[jagged summit]

Considering how much is coming back from the to build the ship, layout, AI, etc, it seems like the messages would be nothing.

100 messages would be literally milliseconds

I am betting the server code just doesn't take that into account for some reason and they only built it into the client side?

Either way it means fleet chat is useless and the changes they made were in vain. The reason we don't and can't use fleet chat is because messages only exist for a couple hours at most

[river tundra]

I've made a suggestion for it: #pss1-suggestions message
-# (Although I'm sure I've brought it up with Savy before)

[jagged summit]

Well, you've got my vote, but I still consider this a long standing bug

[river tundra]

That's how it works, yeah. The filtering is happening on the client, not the server.
Maybe they only keep the latest 20 messages for each channel (global, language-specific & fleet-specific) on the server, who knows?

Well, you've got my vote, but I still consider this a long standing bug
With the words of Microsoft's PR team: It's not a bug. It's a feature! 👍

[jagged summit]

As a dev, I usually support that message

[timid hare]

We are looking into addressing this issue at some point

just some technical hurdles here i think