What's the best raid?

[merry trail]

Wondering which raid to learn. I've been (mostly) caried through dsc and already have eyes, I also don't have lightfall so ron isn't an option. Which raid should I do for the best loot?

[outer vigil]

Loot? Vow

There’s a big leap in the difficulty of raids going from DSC, RoN, VoG, and LW with cheese to VotD, KF, Legit LW, and GoS

VoG is a glorified strike and the loot is largely outclassed, although according to some people the shotgun is better than matador

(Also hezen is the best solar damage rocket)

Cheesed LW isn’t much of a raid, but doing it totally legit is one of the toughest experiences you’ll have in D2 that isn’t related to being way under light

Vow requires learning the symbols and having good dps guns, KF can be tricky with its damage checks and some of the encounters can be tough if you don’t have the right guns/exotic armors for them

GoS is a raid that exists, I’d suggest staying insanely far away from it for your own sanity, the mechanics are unintuitive and often janky

If you have any other questions about the raids, ask!

[merry trail]

Thanks. But isn't vex mythoclast good and also farmable?

and what makes vow's loot better than the rest? I heard the exotic is also garbage

[outer vigil]

Only farmable on rotator week, and it’s not that good

[outer vigil]

Some of the best legendary guns in the game, they’re craftable

I’ll elaborate in a bit

[merry trail]

oh thats awesome

[outer vigil]

Aight

Submission - kinetic 900 rpm smg, incredibly good for basically all forms of usage, doesn’t have subclass perks but is great if you’re running divinity or the like

Deliverance - Stasis fusion, rolls with demo/chill clip which isn’t as good as riptide (also it’s not a rapid-fire frame so it’s worse that wa) but it’s still great at stunlocking

Insidious - Arc 4-Burst pulse, has some cool rolls but isn’t anything special, an energy smg or especially a trace rifle will do it’s job better

Lubraes Ruin - Solar glaive, bad, don’t run it, simple as that

Forbearance - Arc wave frame GL
The best addclear gun in the game, full stop. Never runs out of ammo, cleans through huge groups with a single energy wave, has chain reaction for a stupidly massive total range

[merry trail]

okay I'm definitely doing vow in that case

i need a good wave frame

[outer vigil]

Cataclysmic - the best dps linear fusion rifle, full stop. Even after the nerf it’s a must have, great for master raids with an insane ammo economy and the strongest damage perk ever

[outer vigil]

You’ll need to learn the symbols and the damage checks can be tough

But aside from that it’s quite manageable

[merry trail]

hmm okay

should I just find a sherpa or should I try to learn it via youtube before the sherpa?

or maybe just watch a guide once to get the jist

[outer vigil]

Watch/read a guide

But tbfh it won’t really capture how a lot of stuff works, that’s the stuff you’ll learn with practice

[merry trail]

okay thank you

[outer vigil]

The main thing you need to learn vow is a second monitor/phone where you can pull up an image with all the symbols named

[merry trail]

okay I'll do that then

also, if you don't mind me asking, this isn't really related to the original question, but is it possible to play endgame stuff without using specific elements?

I see a lot of people paying lots of attention to weapons elements but I've just been using the guns I like rather than paying attention to elements

[outer vigil]

Yes and no

You don’t need to match elements to your subclass for anything but specific perk synergies (Voltshot is far stronger on arc, incan on solar, etc)

But you should use the meta weapons because they’re meta for a reason

Stuff like hothead is good, plain and simple, not because it’s arc per se but just because it has stacked AF rolls

[merry trail]

okay. I don't care about perks, that's just perks being good on specific weapons like usual

I just don't like further coordination of subclass, mods, weapons, etc.

[outer vigil]

Same with Forb, it’s good enough to run on basically anything but void (for vol rounds) or if you need exotic synergy (SFP mainly)

[merry trail]

hmm alrigth

[outer vigil]

All you need is some basic consideration of ammo finders, half-decent stats, and armor charge mods for whatever you need (weapon surges that match your heavy weapon and special finisher are usually good enough)

[merry trail]

okay thank you

thats a relief lol

[outer vigil]

Buildcrafting is much more about subclass fragments and exotic armor than it is about armor mods, although some mods can be life-savers

[undone sedge]

All the raids post crafting have good loot

Vow just has really standout guns all around

Dsc does too

Root weapons are also very solid even if they're not like objectively best in class

[merry trail]

yeah they added patterns to that afterwards right?

[undone sedge]

Dsc got a refresh last year, last wish is up next

Also as for what he said about raid difficulty, I somewhat agree but I think saying it's a big spike in difficulty is an overstatement

Kf has one tricky encounter for groups and that's warpriest because people can't brain comprehend the plates and knights spawning

Vow is really easy and you barely need to learn the symbols

The actual mechanics of the encounters symbol wise are simple as well

IDK if you can clear one raid you can easily do them all

[undone sedge]

They also refreshed the perks and made the guns far better

[merry trail]

oh nice

[outer vigil]

I’m saying there’s a gap, DSC, RoN, and VoG are all quite easy and don’t require good guns, while the other raids mandate having half-decent weapons for dps and usually have more involved mechanics

[outer vigil]

Mainly it’s about dps weapons imho

Like, you can do an all thunderlord run of dsc or ron, but if you (and possibly your team) don’t have at the very least a half-decent lfr you are going to STRUGGLE on warpriest/caretaker/legit riven/gos in general

[tidal hearth]

I can tell you dont like fun

[outer vigil]

Nah it’s not that I don’t like glaives it’s just that lubraes is one of the worse ones all things considered

[undone sedge]

Taipan is literally free and also you rocket most of those

[outer vigil]

A lot of experienced players forget that bad rocket rolls are genuinely awful for dps and that a lot of newlights don’t have a good one since the easy-to-obtain ones are just kind of annoying to grind out

And using linears will prolong encounters, not to mention leveling taipan takes a while and not a lot of players pay it heed unless they know what they’re doing

[undone sedge]

Brother

Red herring is literally free

And the good roll is lvl 4

[tidal hearth]

KF and vow are some of my favourite raids so yeah i highly recommend them and vow has some insane weapons rn

DSC is also high up there but it is in NEED of a master mode or something cause u can 1 phase everything in it

[hushed jewel]

vow or kings fall is the best raid do that first

[tidal hearth]

I also would say vow or kings fall.

[digital grove]

The exotic isn’t the greatest but Cataclysmic is considered one of the best Linear Fusion Rifles and Submission is one of the better smgs

[tidal hearth]

*just forgets about forebarance

[wicked chasm]

He didn’t

Scroll up

[tidal hearth]

not the guy above my message

[wicked chasm]

Oh ok

[hushed jewel]

forbearance is also the best weapon in the game

[outer vigil]

Best addclear mind you

Other guns are better for stuff like dps or support, but Forb is the single best addclear gun

[hoary cape]

Vow, when you take out exhibition. great weapons, lots of fun, and Rhulk.

[hushed jewel]

exhibition is one of the best encounters in the game

one of the few encounters that requires team coordination

[wicked chasm]

best gun is borrowed time from gambit 💯

[prisma relic]

._.

you did not just say forb is the best adclear

[prisma relic]

._.

[outer vigil]

best legendary non heavy addclear not dependent on abilities or subclass choice

[prisma relic]

outside of endgame, it's mostly true

[outer vigil]

no yeah in gms and master raids its not as great

[prisma relic]

trying to use a waveframe in endgame content is like trying to main berserker

[outer vigil]

but in anything else its god tier

[prisma relic]

you're gonna try it, you're gonna hate it

[prisma relic]

for most activites tru but kinda depends

like if ur gonna have adds come out of doors and stuff then yeah it's great

(although i'd recommend under your skin but it's gone now ._.)

but in activities where they're all spread out using forb is kinda unfunny

imo the funniest weapon to use that's not as terrible as it sounds is a stupid zephyr roll

tireless blade + chain reaction is so troll

[hushed jewel]

its good in endgame too...

it literally does what trinity ghoul cant do

[prisma relic]

its not really that good

damage is lacking and no blind

can't even oneshot some endgame enemies too

might as well use another gl at that point

[hushed jewel]

during arc burn it can easily 1 shot enemies

during nezerac on contest and master it wipes ads so easily

its origin trait might as well be an exotic perk

the only end game it cant 1 shot enemies in is gms

but with arc burn it can still 1 shot

ambitous assasin helps take down things like knights

yeah sure it isnt going to mow enemies down but it is still one of the best guns in gms too

[prisma relic]

no champ stun tho

i prefer under your skin

[hushed jewel]

cant wait to plink away with my bow so this gm takes 30 minutes!

[prisma relic]

like ik forb is for sure really good, but kinda depends on other things to shine fully

[prisma relic]

bow is not the only weapon you have ._.

[hushed jewel]

Ok but why use a bow in the first place

[slate cloak]

Bruh I literally just did a master nez on my non main character at 1811 light and forebearance rolled

U clearly never used the gun in endgame

[steady torrent]

Because I like em

[prisma relic]

dude

yall dont understand

i am not obligated to play the things you like

it's good in its own way and i enjoy it

i said multiple times that it's good, just not my preference

ctfo

[slate cloak]

Not saying u have to play it my way, but saying it’s not effective in endgame is just false

[hushed jewel]

you said it was bad in endgame dont switch up the conversation now

[prisma relic]

lmfao

you just say what you want alright

i'm not blaming anyone but u just go ahead and flame me

[tidal hearth]

i mean u did say it was bad in endgame

[hushed jewel]

guy scrammed when he realized he goofed up 😭

[slate cloak]

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[slate cloak]

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Just saying bruh. Not making stuff up

We flaming u because u said something was bad, was corrected on it, then tried to say that by someone saying something is good, they are telling you how to play the game

[prisma relic]

lmao

i said "can't even oneshot some endgame enemies"

that's not wrong

and that using another gl is quite viable

i didnt ever say it was bad

i just pointed out that it's not optimal

[tidal hearth]

saying it's not optimal is another way of saying it's bad

[prisma relic]

then that's just your opinion of it

hand cannons are not optimal in pvp rn, but doesn't mean they're bad

bows aren't optimal for all content, but they also have their uses

optimal really doesn't mean bad lol

[slate cloak]

Nah bows other than ender r just bad

[prisma relic]

ender?

really?

i can't tell if you're serious lol

[slate cloak]

Ender is valid for anti barrier when we lose ez volitiale access

[tidal hearth]

ender is good when the anit barrier weapons are trash

[prisma relic]

tru tru

arby tho lol

[violet sentinel]

I've never heard truer fax