#How do I do a Turret Build with Bleak Watchers and Osiomancy Gloves?

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karmic tree
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I'm trying to make a Turret Build, but I don't know what mods to use.

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Weapons are Witherhoard, Energy Scout Rifle, and an Eager Edge sword.

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The sword is mainly for mobility as an escape or a transport tool.

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I don't know what Aspect to use alongside Bleak Watchers... Probably the Rift one since Bomber helps with uptime and one of my weaknesses is enemies in close range

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Also, for the Scout Rifle, I'm not sure what I want on it, but Demolitionist would help with uptime, wouldn't it? It NEEDS to be energy since my strategy for bosses relies on the Witherhoard.

karmic tree
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I seriously have no idea how to proceed

short zenith
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rn stasis is kinda messed up cause of how the mod changes work

short zenith
karmic tree
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I can't really watch videos. It makes my computer err.

karmic tree
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I'd use a well setup but they removed those
Having the shards track to me sounds good but they do little or nothing without them also charging me.

short zenith
karmic tree
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Well I don't know when that one will release

pale inlet
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I would not go for the rift aspect as the multiple freeze one synergies much better with bleak watcher

karmic tree
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Iceflare bolt?
My current iteration of the build relies on getting rift energy through damaging with either grenade, and the turrets dont target already-frozen targets

pale inlet
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You using bolstering detonation ye?

karmic tree
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That's the one

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Three copies of it

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I'd use Grenade Kickstart and Glacial Harvest if there was a way to turn Stasis Shards into Armor Charges, though

pale inlet
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Cannot do that anymore (my behemoth build was also ruined cause of that lmao)

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You can run bomber mods and max out discipline

karmic tree
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Someone (I forgot who but I could probably find out and ping them) said that Bungie's going to add those mods back because, and I quote; "It's too stupid for them to remove them"

pale inlet
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Perhaps, There are some mods that are locked behind guardian rank objectives so maybe the higher levels have those mods

karmic tree
pale inlet
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You can use whisper of refraction and whisper of torment

karmic tree
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I'm worried I won't be able to survive the damage to make use of Torment, though

pale inlet
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As long as you don’t get one shot it works

karmic tree
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What about getting melted from sustained fire?

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I'd rather not die

pale inlet
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I would say not sit in front of sustained fireHmm

karmic tree
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Wait, I might be able to send images here, lemmie check

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Nope, damn

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How about Glacial Harvest with these fragments?
Torment, Conduction and Rime?

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Should give me decent survivability just in case I get caught out, with the issue being I'm sacrificing other fragments I'd rather run, like Hedrons

pale inlet
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Where are you planning to use the build

karmic tree
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Everywhere but PvP enviroments TBH
I just like turrets.

pale inlet
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Then survivability shouldn’t be a problem as long as the activity isn’t a gm or master/day 1 raid and even then everything will be frozen so who’s gonna shoot back

karmic tree
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Bosses can shoot while frozen

pale inlet
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The team will probably have a well or two considering starfire protocol is the strongest build ingame atm

karmic tree
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If only randoms were that consistent

pale inlet
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Again if you are in a matchmade activity i don’t think it will be that hard

karmic tree
karmic tree
pale inlet
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Give me like 10-15 mins, Im just gonna make the build myself and test it

karmic tree
pale inlet
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i just wanted to check the ability return from bolstering and bomber

karmic tree
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I'd say compare Bolstering and Grenade Kickstart, but you'd have to compare the latter w/o charges since I'm most likely not going to have any due to no Stasis Shards > Charge mod

pale inlet
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i'm not sure if kickstart will work because it didn't use to work when you have 2 charges of any ability as technically you have not fully expended the energy for that ability

karmic tree
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Hm, care to test?

pale inlet
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Hmm, it does work now so bungie changed it

karmic tree
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So now we have to compare Bolstering and Grenade Kickstart, which would be better for grenade uptime?

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I mean, Kickstart wins with charges, but I don't have the ability to generate charges until Bungie re-impliments the ability to generate charges off of shards

pale inlet
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Ye, Its not as free as it was before you need to properly time your abilities

karmic tree
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I don't really want to be tied to having to cast rift for CDR tbh

pale inlet
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And siphoning orbs will be hard because when you kill a frozen enemy it doesn't count for the weapon kill

karmic tree
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again, why I'm asking for you to compare Kickstart with Bomber, w/o charges

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because while with Bolstering Detonation Rift uptime is insane, when I'm not dealing damage with grenades (which happens as sometimes mobs just die without me CCIng them)

karmic tree
pale inlet
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one kickstart mod gives you about 10% of nade energy without charges, so 2 should be 15 and 3 17.5 without charges

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with 3 charges you get about 33% of your nade

karmic tree
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I can't really get charges with my build, though.

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What about two Kickstarts and one Bolstering Detonation?

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15% and how much for one Bolstering?

pale inlet
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bolstering is pretty much the same somewhere around 10% rift energy for 1 mod

karmic tree
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Nice. I'll probably run two kickstarts and one bolstering so I can get both benefits, with a lean on Kickstart for just throwing my 'nade

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Also I swear Bolsterious Detonation gives more than 10%
With three copies, when my Turret procs it, I swear it gave like 25%

pale inlet
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maybe the base is higher

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i can't tell cause there's no definitive number

karmic tree
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I'll test it myself

pale inlet
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just made a guess by looking at the guage

karmic tree
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Feels like 15% with just one copy

pale inlet
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2 should be about 22.5 and 3 is probably ~27%

karmic tree
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One cast of the Bleak Watcher can easily charge rift all on it's lonesome, granted if it's attacking enough to proc every time it's ICD runs over

pale inlet
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ye the more enemies there are the better it is

karmic tree
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I really like this build since it's a ton of CC and also turrets so I want to main it, it's just

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Man, Bungie, why not let us get charges from shards?

pale inlet
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too broken

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especially with titans Creepo

karmic tree
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Guess I'll run a shard setup so I don't die then

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Or at least as easily... Possibly give me room to use an Empower Rift instead

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Also, I need to find a good Scout Rifle for the Energy Slot that isn't raid only

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So far I got my eyes on Pointed Inquiry, so I've been farming Wellspring for copies, but I'm not having luck.

pale inlet
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Vouchsafe is my personal favourite it can get demo and explosive payload iirc, for solar staccato, for arc tarnished mettle one is good because it can get volt shot

karmic tree
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I don't really care what element it is, only that I have one that's ideal for me and my playstyle

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Huh. Vouchsafe's handling might help with my combined use of the Witherhoard... But I use it too infrequently to be too bothered by the swap speed.

pale inlet
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i mainly use it for gms and it does pretty well there

karmic tree
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Okay yeah this Glacial Shard setup is too suicidal

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You need to get close for the shards to home in on you

pale inlet
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Imo shards only work on titan because you can spam glaciar nades with HOIL

karmic tree
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Guess I'll run Frostpulse with Hedrons, Refraction and Rending/Fissures

karmic tree
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How much does Hedrons even add to all the stats? At least 10, I hope?

pale inlet
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60 for mob,res, and recovery
30(?) stability, no idea for aim assist, 20 AE

karmic tree
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60 to those stats???
Yeah I'm keeping this on holy hell that's so good for how often I can keep it up

karmic tree
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It also has no downside whatsoever for me since I don't like the stasis melee for Warlocks

pale inlet
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Hmm

karmic tree
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I'm still trying to find a good pulse rifle

I finally got my first Pointed Inquiry, but it's not that good. When does it unlock in the pool?

pale inlet
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I’m not sure about the rotation but you get it from wellspring

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Nvm it’s not from wellspring bu throne world activities

karmic tree
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also isn't wellspring a throne world activity?

pale inlet
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Ngl i never farmed for it so i have no idea you’ll have to search for it

karmic tree
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Okay, testing to see if this chat lets me bump this.

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Seems to let me, good.

I've made some adjustments since the last time I made inquiries, and I want people's input on thus.

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I no longer use the Witherhoard on this build, but instead the Verglas Bow. It functions similarly to the scout rifle I was using before, but works much better with what I want to do.

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Especially since the Verglas lets me create Glaciers, which I shatter for more Turret uptime with Whisper of Shards.

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My Fragment setup is Durance, Chains, Shards and Rending. I use Rending here since the Verglas innately deals bonus damage to frozen targets, and Rending applies another multiplicative damage bonus in the same use case.

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Shame this server won't let me easily explain this build, due to locking image perms behind a paywall, and blocking any use of links like imgr

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Anyway, back to the build.
For my Energy Weapon I use a Royal Executioner with Envious Assassin and Reservoir burst. It's my go to weapon for bursting down majors in comparison to the Verglas mopping up Adds.

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My power weapon is reserved for boss DPS, which one I use depends on if I'm with an organized group, and what kind of method for boss DPS we're using.

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The stats worth mentioning are 80 resilience, 60 recovery, and 100 discipline. The other stats aren't as important.

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The gameplan is to use turrets to freeze enemies, then get a kill or two with the Verglas. If the enemies can be killed by the Hail Storm, then I'll use that method.

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If they can't be killed by the Hail Storm, I'll continue to use the slower method of slowly freezing and whittling them down. I'm okay not being top Add Clear as long as I'm doing my part.

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Once I hit five stacks regardless, I will quickly shoot them out in the general direction of some enemies, and proceed to shatter them, for more grenade uptime with Whisper of Shards.

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However, I'm using Chains, so a modification I should make for my gameplan is to use it to place crystals near myself for the Damage Reduction, since I play at a distance.

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Okay. I've finished describing my build excluding every single mod. I'm ready for input.

karmic tree
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Hello? Is this even visible?

hollow apex
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no one got any input for u chief, it is visible

wooden fulcrum
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This thread made me update my build to include whisper of refraction, as i used conduction before for stats. To make this happen while keeping my existing stats i needed to make some adjustments

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This is my build:
Bleak watcher + iceflare bolts
Refraction, durance, chains and torment for aspects

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Helmet: Special ammo finder, scout and harmonic siphon
Gloves: two bolstering detonations and 1x grenade kickstart

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Chest: concussive dampener and charged up

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Legs: harmonic scavenger and stacks on stacks

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Bond: double bomber and reaper

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Weapons: agers, forbearance, hothead

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Stats: 100 resil, 100 recovery, 100 discipline

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I used either a +10 resil or a +10 recovery mod in every slot, otherwise i wouldve added surges on legs or arc siphon on helmet

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Hope this helps

deft sable
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The damage is ridiculous so i couldn’t get enough kills to charge crystals

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instead running chains and using a weapon like Aegers Scepter if i have an exotic/anti champ slot open, has worked way better for me

karmic tree
deft sable
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If you defeat an enemy with it, all enemies around it freeze

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And with the catalyst, you can use your super to turn Agers into a super beam that slows more and does more damage since shadebinder super is bad

karmic tree
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also huh that catalyst part is very intriguing
issue is that it's a trace rifle and I REALLY do not like them

wooden fulcrum
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ive used it in master vog, back before 3.0 subclasses, and it did great
though keep in mind, back then the mod system was different and shadebinder was actually even better than it is now (cause of elemental shards)

wooden fulcrum
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if you build around them a bit (so you dont run out of ammo) they can be very strong

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ive used a trace rifle as my primary ad clear tool since lightfall came out and only on rare occasions do i run out of ammo for it.

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and if i do, its more likely because i fked up my ammo management rather than there not being enough bricks

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another benefit to having a trace rifle as your primary, is if you use it in tandem with another special weapon (i often use witherhoard or izanagi), you get more heavy drops

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because youre running double special technically

karmic tree
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wait, it uses primary ammo?

wooden fulcrum
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nono

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it uses special ammo, but you use it as a primary weapon

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so use finder and scavenger mods, and maybe special finisher too

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if you can keep getting ammo for it, they work better than primary options for ad clear imo

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  • the aforementioned benefits regarding heavy ammo drops make it even better
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not to mention most of the trace rifles we have currently can get some very good perks

karmic tree
wooden fulcrum
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there are legendary trace rifles

karmic tree
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We're mentioning specifically agir's though aren't we

wooden fulcrum
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true, but im saying generally speaking trace rifles are better than primary weapons for ad clear

karmic tree
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then what's for energy

wooden fulcrum
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all of the things i said above also apply to ager's

wooden fulcrum
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maybe a fusion rifle

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or blinding nades gl

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theres alot of options

karmic tree
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Double special? But won't I run out of momentum easily?

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I can't get finishers reliably due to latency and other players

wooden fulcrum
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ive been running double special in most activities and been just fine

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the only place where i would swap off of double special is end game activities like gms or master raids because ammo economy there is scarce most of the time

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that said, if you have someone running aeons or if you can reliably get special finishers off (all while running ammo scout mods), double special can still work

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thats why i also recommend using finder and scavenger mods IF you are going to run double special

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one thing also is heavy weapon kills are more likely to drop special ammo, and vice versa

karmic tree
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I already do use finder and scavenger

karmic tree
wooden fulcrum
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theres this video that goes alot more in depth about why double special is so good, the benefits of it, drawbacks, weapon combos, etc. if you want me to dm it to you

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its a bit on the longer end though (20-30 minutes)

karmic tree
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DM me it

karmic tree
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Okay, I just got myself the Agir's Scepter.

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god i cant even sustain double special in strikes where im slaying this feels horrible

karmic tree
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i hate this weapon

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i never have enough ammo for it

deft sable
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Ig it’s not for everyone, i like it because i can just shoot a low rank enemy and freeze a champ or higher enemy because of it

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When i use it i actually don’t run double special, because it is a little harder, and i especially don’t in gms. But i personally like it for the added crowd control

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If i have two turrets down and they’re controlling a small area, i can just pick off another enemy with my trace and control the rest

karmic tree
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What kinda weapon would you even use alongside the Agir

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I'd use the Verglas, no contest, if I wasn't worried about it's lack of damage in higher tier content

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the glaciers are just so nice

deft sable
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the glaciers are nice, and honestly if you replace chains with shards and run verglas in lower content it will by far outshine it. I just typically only like stasis in higher content like gms

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I’d typically use a pulse, as the turrets stun overloads but barriers are trickier

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but yea i’ve tried verglas in a gm, and i was just not able to produce glaciers at all cause i was shooting twigs. But to all their own!

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verglas would definitely be viable in lower end content

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i’ll run Agers with like a demo pulse and it’s fun, get back turrets quick

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And then for heavy i run bump in the night rocket with chill clip demo, for even more nades and slow effect

karmic tree
woven prawn
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Just be cautious with your glaciers in group activities. They block teammates shots and they gonna mald if you cancel someone's rocket

karmic tree
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The Agir just feels so horrible to use and I dont have any weapons that go along with it