💬destiny-chat

[civic kettle]

given that it's a vex raid it's pretty good

[valid thunder]

hes just lying to you

[civic kettle]

the intended DPS meta devs picked is kinda bad though (it's tlord -> LoW)

[summer gazelle]

tlord

yuck

[civic kettle]

yeah

[valid thunder]

use outbreak

its better

[unreal niche]

u got cool robots , way cooler than ultron so yeah its good

[solemn flame]

outbreak into low basically the same shite

[summer gazelle]

i figured it would be something like outbreak

[civic kettle]

ye ik I was just talking about the contest tuning

[valid thunder]

???

[summer gazelle]

its nice to know low is still good

[valid thunder]

why would you ob into low

[civic kettle]

koregos final

[solemn flame]

for final stand koregos

[unreal niche]

low will have a hard time on the triplet hydra

[valid thunder]

youn even need to do all that

[solemn flame]

how the boss stand still but lows not that good on hydra anyways

[valid thunder]

you can 1 phase comfortably with just ob super spam

[pliant parrot]

lol -4 chest

[solemn flame]

it’s just for feats

[civic kettle]

bruh I still got a whole set of loadouts for koregos final

[spiral grove]

yes its really good its nonlinear with FOUR boss fights

[spiral grove]

yknow the best dps is just max super with outbreak

[solemn flame]

complaining abt the first non linear raid in years lol

[civic kettle]

unironically the best boss is wyvern

[spiral grove]

i can kinda see why but hydra is my favorite

[summer gazelle]

oh hell yeah

[solemn flame]

yup you know best

[civic kettle]

not exactly lol

parasite x20 -> outbreak with a rocket

very funny front load

[spiral grove]

i love how tight the hydra's mechanics are where every person has to seamlessly transition their parts back and forth, and its the only encounter where every player needs to do mechanic during dps

[solemn flame]

I think lmao has all the right to ego fr

[civic kettle]

though outside of this raid the meta is still just rockets lol

[spiral grove]

please bungie nerf timelost mag im already tired of the vog weapons being top dog at everything

[civic kettle]

nah it needs to stay

[spiral grove]

bruh itsl iterally an exotic perk

[civic kettle]

only weapon worth using in a rotation that isn't a GL

[unreal niche]

apparently dude like rthyhm games

[civic kettle]

it's the only boss you couldnt kill with just Tlord during contest

(he has no front facing crit)

[unreal niche]

great, so tl is not the absolute god

[civic kettle]

the boss doesn't have a crit so yeah literally every crit centric gun + hunter are hard countered lol

unless u like to stand behind the boss at the start of every DPS phase for celestial

assuming the boss doesn't decide to just face its back towards a wall or whatever

[spiral grove]

reapers when and where:

[misty dawn]

nezerac ai 🤤

[civic kettle]

minotaurs not spawning for 30+ seconds because the boss can't decide where it wants to go and hourglass is almost empty

[gaunt gale]

call of dute

[pallid compass]

how do I change my discord name

[spiral grove]

easily solvable by just not messing up the mechanic

[civic kettle]

wdym I'm talking about the boss stalling its own aggro

[coral stag]

minotaurs despawning 4 times for absolute trollege

[spiral grove]

dont you not need chronouns at all unless your time runs out?

[misty dawn]

i still haven’t touched dp so i wish i knew what this meant

[spiral grove]

or to extent your time

[alpine garnet]

hi mara hi

[civic kettle]

TLDR u kill minotaurs that drop motes

picking up the motes and jumping through a literal hoop with them extends a timer

[misty dawn]

holy sht gambit encounter 😍😍

[civic kettle]

the minotaurs in wyvern boss though are tied to where the boss is moving in the arena

so they can only spawn in 3 possible spots

[misty dawn]

not static spawns?

[civic kettle]

no

[misty dawn]

ooo so the boss has to move gotcha

[tired oriole]

lfj

[misty dawn]

hi

[civic kettle]

so if the boss wants to move to left side, then minotaurs will also spawn there

[sweet jungle]

the minos tend to spawn before the wyvern walks all the way over there

[civic kettle]

I think ur meant to call where he's moving so u can kill minotaurs and leave before boss finishes walking there

[sweet jungle]

so pillar guys can just kill em while the mino guys just grab and dunk

[spiral grove]

honestly so prefer jumping through an hourglass hoop to deposit rather than dunking or cleansing somewhere

[pliant parrot]

i forgot what i was going to link while lookin gthis gif up

[civic kettle]

and if they're left alone they will despawn when the wyvern decides to target somewhere else

[sweet jungle]

...does occasionally lead to some accidents lmao

[sweet jungle]

and doing it with the major feats is obnoxios lol

[civic kettle]

grapple:

[spiral grove]

i still prefer it on 3 feat and cutthroat

havent tried 4 or 5 yet

[coral stag]

how is cut throat after the nerf

[civic kettle]

enable cut throat + battalions + challenge for ur LFG 3 feat run

[pliant parrot]

who wants to carry me through the raid tomorrow

[spiral grove]

not that bad

[civic kettle]

it's literally a master raid

[spiral grove]

yea

[civic kettle]

but easier LOL

[coral stag]

if so that's the point of epic raid then

just new encounters I assume

[spiral grove]

yes

[civic kettle]

one new encounter

[sweet jungle]

is there anyway to get barrow dyad catalysts rn?

[civic kettle]

it's different enough that it has its own raid race

[spiral grove]

you have to do the 5 feat for all 5 encounters to get t5 i assume

[coral stag]

shouldn't be that bad

[civic kettle]

u get t3 with 'medium' chance at t4

[bright gulch]

Is $70 worth it for Final shape, lightfall, beyond light, witch queen, 30th anniversary, forsaken, and shadow keep?

[coral stag]

if it guarantee t5

[civic kettle]

id say yeah

[spiral grove]

wait for them to go on sale it frequently happens

[fringe cloud]

wow, ur telling me that good player can just skip the grind and get t5 while the casuals have to farm 100s of hours to get the same

[solemn flame]

it was on sale for 30 so not really

[spiral grove]

but if you really wanna then yea 70 is so worth for all that

[sweet jungle]

wait for sale

[fringe cloud]

can't believe bungie would do this

[pliant parrot]

hahahahhaahahah

[civic kettle]

yes that's literally the point

wait u were baiting mb

[spiral grove]

the raid tier and world drop tier things are separate

thank goodness

[fringe cloud]

wow, lotta elitists out here

[civic kettle]

bruh pls 😭

[spiral grove]

casual players should have a time limit of playtime they are allotted and if they go over their licenses get removed

[fringe cloud]

better take than the current ecosystem

[azure pumice]

Who gave them licenses in the first place?

Casuals aren't allowed to play destiny

[fringe cloud]

there should be a license to claim you are a casual

how many hours per week max

[pliant parrot]

oo t4 helmet

[coral stag]

hours should be tied to total raid clears

[fringe cloud]

causals don't clear raids

[coral stag]

tha'ts the point

[fringe cloud]

allegedly

[coral stag]

full clears only

[fringe cloud]

what about carries though

[coral stag]

at least they're participating

[civic kettle]

I'ma be honest I consider myself a semi casual player

[fringe cloud]

total hours check?

[pliant parrot]

what ll are you?

[fringe cloud]

it better not be more than like 500

[civic kettle]

like 420?

[pliant parrot]

you're not casual

[azure pumice]

As an ex sherpa farmer, sadly you overestimate the average person in a sherpa

[civic kettle]

I did like 5 levels of grind a day lol

[sweet jungle]

i mean i think most people put in a genuine effort

[civic kettle]

that's like an hour

[fringe cloud]

that's not even the same world as casual

[pliant parrot]

how many hours in the last 2 weeks

[fringe cloud]

casual player is like someone who you show the patch notes to and they don't understand even one word on there

[pliant parrot]

i'm far above casual, and i have 75 hours in over the last 2 weeks, and i just hit 300

[civic kettle]

around 30?

[coral stag]

5 levels past 400 a day is crazy

[civic kettle]

I meant before 400

[pliant parrot]

lies

[azure pumice]

If that's the case, I'm very concerned for the guy who tried to pause the raid for 30 minutes to get mcdonalds

[coral stag]

you're getting your casual status revorked

[full yacht]

Me right there

[fringe cloud]

75 hours in 2 weeks is like ultra grinder tier

[azure pumice]

I aspire to that level of effort

[wind bronze]

lmao

[sweet jungle]

how long was the raid taking? 2hrs+ a meal break isnt an awful idea lol

[pliant parrot]

speaking of which, i havent seen wraith around lately

[fringe cloud]

honestly, anyone posting on any kind of forum isn't a casual

99+% chance

[civic kettle]

like rn I could probably lower my hours per week down to like 3

[fringe cloud]

could be huge

[azure pumice]

Maybe 80 minutes or so? It was a dsc 5 sherpa

[sweet jungle]

oh nvm thats wack lol

[azure pumice]

Not exactly fast, but also not long enough you should need a meal break

[fringe cloud]

who needs a dsc sherpa? there are no mechanics

[azure pumice]

This was like 3 years ago when I used to sherpa

[devout raft]

Me

[azure pumice]

People thought atraks was a complicated encounter back then

[fringe cloud]

kind of until normal mode came out, then you just brute force it

[spiral grove]

i mean not really there was just a lot of misinformation

[azure pumice]

There still is sadly

[fringe cloud]

it was a really weird encounter. it still kind of is

[coral stag]

just bring in like 3 titans

[fringe cloud]

But again, you can just brute force it so, who asked

[coral stag]

boom boom boom atraks is no more

[azure pumice]

Yeah it's still complicated, but now everyone just one shots the boss and skips the mechanics so 🤷

[sweet jungle]

speaking of which, is 1 flooring atraks still free post-EoF?

[azure pumice]

You can solo 1 floor atraks pretty easily atm

[sweet jungle]

oh wtf

how?

[fringe cloud]

power creep

[azure pumice]

Grapple go brrrrr

[sweet jungle]

oh the hunter thing

[devout raft]

Not possible

[azure pumice]

Any class really

[devout raft]

youre probably watching a netlimater

Which is a cheat

[sweet jungle]

yeah like theres no damage buff for titan that does that anymore

[azure pumice]

Genuinely not sure whether you're baiting or dumb

You can't limit grapple hun

[fringe cloud]

the fact that they even put that in the game is silly

[stone rune]

Chat what's a good pvp roll for the new trials handcanon

[fringe cloud]

they really panicked and put prismatic in know it was gonna be a balance disaster

[devout raft]

The can limit anything even chaos reaches

They usually use some shotgun i forgot the name tho

[azure pumice]

"Even chaos reaches"

[fringe cloud]

the fourth horseman

[sweet jungle]

what damage buff are you using on titan to 1 floor atraks using grapple?

[devout raft]

I think that one

[azure pumice]

So far you've named the 2 most common limit techs as your example as to how you can limit anything

[fringe cloud]

conquest, war, famine and net limiting to kill the boss instantly

[native quiver]

I wanna see this lmao

[azure pumice]

Grapple involves a lot of buff and debuff stacking

[sweet jungle]

im aware, what buffs?

[fringe cloud]

more damage

[devout raft]

Sorry im not up to date with the cheats, you probably know a lot more cause im guessing you do it yourself

[sweet jungle]

shieldcrush, synthos, bastion? all i can think of rn

[azure pumice]

Worm gods grapple titan with navigator I assume, I don't really play titan

[fringe cloud]

combination blow

[full yacht]

Are there any primary slot glaives that are currently obtainable?

[sweet jungle]

there is no shot this 1 shots lol

[fringe cloud]

which primary slot

[full yacht]

Kinetic sorry

[native quiver]

Isn’t the SE one kinetic?

[spiral grove]

dude the well buff is absurd

[azure pumice]

🙄 you replied to my comment about grapple claiming that the person I "watched" was definitely limiting. When I asked for an explanation, you cited 2 unrelated things and then out of context accused me of cheating

[fringe cloud]

i have no idea, i don't use glaives

[azure pumice]

Genuinely schizo

[devout raft]

you can still get winterbite im pretty sure

[full yacht]

No?

[spiral grove]

you can buy a top slot glaive from xur right now

[devout raft]

now you change the subject once you got exposed

[azure pumice]

To be clear, I didn't claim 1 shot I claimed 1 floor

[devout raft]

Classic maneuver

[fringe cloud]

hey, pro tip, if you think someone is being stupid just don't respond to them cuz like

[full yacht]

You gotta be kidding me

[azure pumice]

In what way did I change the subject?

[formal condor]

💀

[azure pumice]

Also you still haven't explained how someone can limit grapple lmao

[spiral grove]

unless that was last week

[azure pumice]

It's a single damage tick, what is there even to limit?

[devout raft]

its the same way they limit the chaos reach

[full yacht]

Are there any obtainable as world drops because i wont be home in time to talk to xur 😭

[devout raft]

Both are abilities its the same thing

[fringe cloud]

you have to pull your ethernet cable so that crota gets stuck in the kneeling position

[azure pumice]

Eh it's fun sometimes, good mental stim

[formal condor]

What is going on in here

[azure pumice]

Do you understand how the chaos limit works? Because they're completely different damage profiles

[devout raft]

Some bogus cheater is angry about getting exposed for cheating

[spiral grove]

i think you can get rake angle somehow in the game

[devout raft]

Yeah its an ability just like grapple so they limit it the same way

[fringe cloud]

this is already the easiest game of all time, the people don't care about pve cheating

[azure pumice]

Some guy is claiming I limit because I said you can 1 floor atraks with grapple hunter lol

[tired oriole]

fupa farm pbs

[full yacht]

Can u buy from zavala or smth

[fringe cloud]

it is kinda cringe when you enter kindergarten tier content and people want to limit tho. that's not very fun

[tired oriole]

1 floor atraks is impossible so ur cheating

[devout raft]

Exactly what i said

[azure pumice]

I mean its true when you say it lemark

[spiral grove]

idk

[full yacht]

Damn it

[misty dawn]

limit break so last season

[azure pumice]

But that doesn't mean it is when he says it

[devout raft]

I exposed this cheating scrub and now hes all aggressive and mad

[tired oriole]

👅 expose this freak

[fringe cloud]

what if you parasite into thundercrash into alt f4 the game and fill out a j*b application

[devout raft]

💅

[fringe cloud]

does atraks die then???

[tired oriole]

U cant kill attaks

[azure pumice]

Only if you get the job

[fringe cloud]

worst case scenario

[azure pumice]

Otherwise she takes the kids

[tired oriole]

who is she

[azure pumice]

Atraks?

[fringe cloud]

she turned herself into a robot

morty!

[azure pumice]

What did you think you were sleeping with a guy?

[tired oriole]

No
robot

[spiral grove]

is atraks the only character to be a boss in a raid and dungeon?

[azure pumice]

Oh fair

[tired oriole]

actually its a different enemy

[formal stump]

hi guys

[spiral grove]

its possessed atraks

[fringe cloud]

spooky

[wind bronze]

the puppeteer is an AI using an atraks shell

[formal stump]

good morning

[fringe cloud]

the lore in DSC is pretty good but that raid is a disaster to play

it's actually the biggest piece of garbage

[formal stump]

its mid not that bad

[azure pumice]

It's not so bad when you lowman/sherpa

[wind bronze]

garbage or is it just very easy

[azure pumice]

6 man is kind of boring though

[fringe cloud]

it's the worst

skip all mechanics, instant kill atraks, do no mechanics on taniks then instant kill

descent gives you like 500 years to swap and do the mechanic

[azure pumice]

Duo/solo carries, dsc is one of my favourite raids (or used to be back when atraks was relevant)

[fringe cloud]

we don't count lowmans cuz that's not real content

[azure pumice]

Most of the new raids you actually need some of the burgers to know how to play the game, and that's no fun

[tired oriole]

theres no data like encrypted data

[pallid compass]

will arms week ever come back? I missed out on that solar shotgun hc

[fringe cloud]

oh no, fomo

[spiral grove]

youll be able to get it whenever it comes back

[azure pumice]

I assume it will come back after solstice sometime before ash and iron

[wind bronze]

it's gonna be a recurring event like ib probably

[azure pumice]

But likely with the sword and shotgun, not the handcannon

[spiral grove]

there is another shotgun hc in trials

[spiral grove]

the sword and veist shotgun will be obtainable during heavy metal

[azure pumice]

Oh was that confirmed?

[spiral grove]

leaked i think

[wind bronze]

bruh 😭

[azure pumice]

God I don't particularly want to farm that dogshit for eager

[formal condor]

Well

[pallid compass]

yea I got it and its fun asf but I want a energy slot one

[azure pumice]

Genuinely might be the worst game mode I've ever played

[fringe cloud]

solstice?

[azure pumice]

Nah heavy metal

[spiral grove]

heavy metal is so fun

[fringe cloud]

can't be worse than eaz

[coral stag]

I heard a lot of people say that you can't skate with wave eager sword

[fringe cloud]

i've quit more than one time after having to play eaz

[azure pumice]

Destiny 2 but we're not allowed to use out guns, abilities, or movement

[terse sky]

Anyone know an ideal ascendant shard farm?

[spiral grove]

my longest streak was like 10

[fringe cloud]

irl?

[azure pumice]

I mainly want it for fake skating in farms, but that's interesting to know

[pallid compass]

they need an srl event 💔

[blissful scaffold]

haunted forest return

[fringe cloud]

they do not

[wind bronze]

so the only new eager edge sword is both locked behind heavy metal and also doesn't work with skating

[coral stag]

I'm curious why tho

[fringe cloud]

ok hold up, now we're spitting

[spiral grove]

OMG I JUST CHECKED MY COLLECTIONS ITS REAL

[fringe cloud]

haunted forest is like a top 1 activity of all time

[azure pumice]

300+ light portal drops them very often

[spiral grove]

i hope terrors are like The Homie but various ones

[formal condor]

What

[spiral grove]

id love a tormentor Homie

[blissful scaffold]

pic^

[full yacht]

Which raid do u farm

[azure pumice]

New gear score bonus

[coral stag]

no like why can't you skate

[fringe cloud]

Haunted forest was by far the best event mode

[azure pumice]

I meant portal farms, I'd just use guillotine in raids

[fringe cloud]

Nobody wants to do lost sectors or whatever instead

[spiral grove]

rushdown:

[azure pumice]

Oh I assume the animation doesn't go very far forward or something

[tired oriole]

i love list sector

[spiral grove]

rushdown was fun asf

[wind bronze]

which one was rushdown

[spiral grove]

guardian games boss rush

[coral stag]

most people hated it cuz curse of osiris ptsd

[wind bronze]

oh, didn't participate in that event

[azure pumice]

I'm not sure how people know though, unless someone hacked in an eager wave, because craftabke wave frames weren't a thing in the craftening

[fringe cloud]

if they released curse of osiris right now people would be soypogging

[azure pumice]

Actually who am I kidding, someone probably hacked one in yeah

[fringe cloud]

guardian games isn't a real event

[coral stag]

maybe because waveframe special attack puts your character in the air

[misty dawn]

you use to be able to transfer eager to ergo wave

[azure pumice]

Used to be mostly dsc and vog, but I don't really farm anymore

[azure pumice]

Maybe

[fringe cloud]

brother, pick some better raids, jesus

[azure pumice]

Ah true

[misty dawn]

waveframe eager is butt but eager solar is mickey

[azure pumice]

Like I said, the newer raids can't be low manned very well, and I mainly do solo or duo carries

[devout raft]

You can hit a skate animation, you just dont go anywhere

[coral stag]

how sad

[azure pumice]

Aside from Ron, that's pretty painful with the new stuff

Hence my not farming anymore

[fringe cloud]

farmed and low manned seem kind of contradictory

[misty dawn]

u can farm low mans?

[fringe cloud]

dsc is the worst raid of all time and vog is the raid they run in the retirement home

[azure pumice]

You're welcome to your opinion 🤷

[misty dawn]

??? crota literally exists

[azure pumice]

Different priorities I guess

[spiral grove]

gos:

[fringe cloud]

ah yes lemme just put this top 5 raid into bottom 1

[coral stag]

gos is cool consecrated mind is hella cute

[fringe cloud]

crota is kinda spitting but i would rather run even d1 crota

[azure pumice]

crota top 5? lmao

[fringe cloud]

no gos top 5. corta is kinda gormless

[misty dawn]

insane opinions being tossed

[fringe cloud]

let me think

[azure pumice]

oh yeah gos is pretty good

[spiral grove]

gos is the most boring raid ever

[azure pumice]

I enjoy gos, but I mainly prefer organized farms

[misty dawn]

yeah crota bridge is way more fun than harpy

[fringe cloud]

yeah gos probably like 4 or 5

[azure pumice]

first and second encounter are so slow in carries

[fringe cloud]

behind LW, KF and Vow

[coral stag]

have you played crown of sorrow

[fringe cloud]

crown is up there

[spiral grove]

every encounter but bridge is more fun than any gos encoutner

[fringe cloud]

gahlran is very good but the first half is dog

[misty dawn]

first encounter is more fun than gos???

[fringe cloud]

gos 1,3 and 4 are pretty good and the music jamming

[spiral grove]

actually yes 😭

[misty dawn]

bro 😭

[spiral grove]

i have one gos clear

never want to do it agian

[coral stag]

was it a div run

[azure pumice]

gos is one of those raids that's really boring/bad if you're bad at it tbh

[fringe cloud]

that sucks

[spiral grove]

yes

[exotic valley]

ur missing out

[coral stag]

obviously

[azure pumice]

once you actually learn the raid it's fairly fun to optimize

aside from 3rd, 3rd is boring

[fringe cloud]

people who hate on garden are like 90+% chance of just being too bad to do it when it was current

[azure pumice]

agreed

[misty dawn]

gos 👍 gos farmers 👎

[spiral grove]

i dont think we wiped at all during my one run

[fringe cloud]

more like double thumbs up

[azure pumice]

also agreed, though I think that's the case for any old raid nowadays

[misty dawn]

👄

[fringe cloud]

gos farmer get two thumbs up, honestly

[spiral grove]

vog?

[exotic valley]

trio 1 phase harpy with glacial quake when

[azure pumice]

I mean the only serious vog farmers are trio farms, and they're worse than god farmers

but most vog farmers are basically glorified good lfgs

[spiral grove]

at least in vog you do things

[azure pumice]

they just join runs and carry people

[fringe cloud]

guys trust me i can solo oracles -> 25 wipes and everyone leaves

[wind bronze]

i don't think i've played gos in 4 or 5 years, i just remember the lfg console runs putting a bad taste in my mouth for the raid

[misty dawn]

trio vog feels like afk simulator

[azure pumice]

I mean if you're the 1 or 2 people who know what youre doing you do, which is why I like vog so much

I'm basically doing a dungeon solo while 5 other idiots run in circles dying to overloads

[fringe cloud]

seems like a poorly balanced activity

and yet

[spiral grove]

every fireteam op where im playing doom and the other 2 players are admiring the scenery on the way to the boss

[azure pumice]

gos is a weird raid, because if you get too many people who don't know what theyre doing, you end up not clearing, and if you get too many people who do know what theyre doing you get called slurs

[coral stag]

this is so true

[fringe cloud]

as long as they aren't limmiting

[azure pumice]

I mean it's gos

theyre definitely limiting

[fringe cloud]

actually so cringe

bring your suit, tie and briefcase to a kindergarten class level cringe

[coarse burrow]

this guy gets it

[spiral grove]

the 50% of cheaters in dp contest were the gos farmers

[coarse burrow]

like, the clear IS happening

[azure pumice]

the other pro about vog, no one who cares enough to set up a limiter is going to use it to kill a boss that can be killed just as quickly with fusions

[blissful scaffold]

there was a dude here says taht he was finish a GoS raid with xQC and a hacker

[fringe cloud]

we do not slander garden farms in this house

[azure pumice]

so you dont really get many limiters

[formal condor]

Hi Naomi

[coarse burrow]

hello mara

[formal condor]

How are you doing

[exotic valley]

who limits vog bro

[azure pumice]

exactly, with vog and dsc I know if I join some random run we'll at least clear, even if I have to skulldrag 5 stoned out 4 year olds through the whole raid

[coarse burrow]

chilling, listening to music, deciding what to watch on youtube

[fringe cloud]

what if you leave those losers by the side of the road and lfg for a real raid

[coarse burrow]

the lowest of the low

[azure pumice]

real raids are boring

[exotic valley]

i recently cleared templar challenge solo

[azure pumice]

nice

[fringe cloud]

music check?

[azure pumice]

that's my point, no one

[misty dawn]

truth

[coarse burrow]

for gatekeeper i need them to kill everything in venus. for atheon, i need them to shoot the oracles in order w/o wiping

[fringe cloud]

i think you mean vanus

[coral stag]

Quit stealing all those kills

[coarse burrow]

https:// open.spotify.com/track/1cd7Pft3rfZ0hmaOLI0EDB?si=06908f96f6d04b4d i queued this up and now im listening to stuff related to this

[azure pumice]

in true solo carries, I tell 2 of them to take the relic to venus and clear ads while I solo mars, then I solo oracles and do damage after and 2 phase

[misty dawn]

👁️👄👁️

[azure pumice]

it's not exactly a clean clear, but it's certainly more consistent then something like solo carry vow

[coarse burrow]

i make them do oracles bc their damage sucks so i'd rather stay outside

[fringe cloud]

hold up, this is based, i was expecting nightcore cringe

[azure pumice]

usually I let them do oracles and float the first 2 or 3 attempts and then "offer" to do them if theyre struggling

[coral stag]

they will be shooting oracles with -50 range sidearms

[azure pumice]

makes a decent balance I've found

[azure pumice]

but yeah this is a problem

idk what it is with lfgs bringing autorifles to boss fights

[fringe cloud]

what if they made a raid where you had to try

think about that

[coarse burrow]

hardest ive ever carried a trio

[fringe cloud]

kinda wack that they stopped making hard mode raids

[misty dawn]

double primary tlord is meta 😀

[fringe cloud]

seems like the perfect solution for the current community dichotimy

[azure pumice]

bro fr

[coarse burrow]

ive been told i have a goated taste in music

[azure pumice]

as long as they actually balance mechanics so that the normal mode can be duod/triod then that would certainly solve my issue

[misty dawn]

14:35 trio my goat

[fringe cloud]

ok but what if the hard mode was as hard as trio normal

[coarse burrow]

checkpoint 💀

[misty dawn]

awgh

[azure pumice]

I enjoy raids normally occasionally, I just mainly like to be able to go into a random clear and trust it will actually finish

[azure pumice]

nice

[fringe cloud]

the only reason low mans exist is cuz the game is too easy

[coarse burrow]

they loaded me into an atheon and wiped

[coral stag]

imo raids should demand all 6 people to do something

[misty dawn]

sounds ab right for lfg

[azure pumice]

I mean low mans will exist no matter how hard the game is as long as the mechanics are technically possible

[coral stag]

not just one or two guys doing everything while the rest run around like headless chicken

[fringe cloud]

maybe

[azure pumice]

low mans arent an indicator of how easy the game is, theyre an indicator of how creative the community is

[exotic valley]

thats not what some people think

[exotic valley]

real!

[fringe cloud]

i doubt if you have a situation like with other mmos that the world's first takes multiple days or weeks that people will be low manning

[azure pumice]

like ron and vow can both be triod, that doesn't mean theyre equally easy

[fringe cloud]

yeah but equally is irrelevant

[azure pumice]

ron is easy for a lot of other reasons, not the fact that the mechanics only technically require 1 person

[fringe cloud]

the entire point of a low man is the challenge, if the challenge was equal to a normal, in-game content, there would be no need

[azure pumice]

similarly, SE isn't hard just because 4th can't be triod

[misty dawn]

@solemn flame u got that bro

[azure pumice]

it's hard because the mechanics are complicated and the ad density is high and a bunch of other factors

if verity could be triod, it doesnt matter how hard it is, people would have trio se

[fringe cloud]

what if they made the numbers bigger

[azure pumice]

oo I like that idea

[fringe cloud]

it is what is is

[low rain]

is there word on the update for tomorrow fixing the 450 loot bug? its been a week of "go into pvp and sweat or dont get T5s outside solstice gear"

[fringe cloud]

one whole week? i'm aghast

[coral stag]

are you 450?

[coarse burrow]

i miss this

[low rain]

ive been 450 since last sunday.

it wasnt worth it with this trash bug

[azure pumice]

to be clear, I'm not asking to be able to low man raids (I'm not really asking for anything tbh, I'm just stating why I personally play older raids more than newer ones), I'm saying I wish the newer raids had mechanics that required fewer people to do them at the extreme levels

[fringe cloud]

never post xenophage gameplay on my feed again

[azure pumice]

tbf its still a thing

[exotic valley]

veritys is so tuff

[fringe cloud]

honestly, i think the number of people required to do the mechanics is irrelevant to the quality of the raid

[coral stag]

xeno is goated wdym

[exotic valley]

desert can be triod

[fringe cloud]

it's probably pretty important for low manning tho

[coarse burrow]

not for me bc i uninstalled but yeah

[exotic valley]

esp with -10 it was tough

[azure pumice]

I mean reset is in 10 hours so 🤷

[ripe pond]

Okay garmin

[coarse burrow]

rotations are so fun

[formal condor]

Why did you?

[ripe pond]

Yooo wtf

[formal condor]

What the hell

[ripe pond]

Wrong image

[azure pumice]

yeah I've been considering getting back into farming, desert looks fun

[fringe cloud]

xeno is the pinnacle of the community being stupid

[misty dawn]

does this mean hunter verity is the move for solo atheon

[azure pumice]

yes

[ripe pond]

yes

[fringe cloud]

actually like the 20th best dps weapon and people thought it was the best during shadowkeep

[misty dawn]

yes

[azure pumice]

farily easy 1 phase if you can get through the mechanic

[ripe pond]

Delete this

[exotic valley]

i was in a trio full but our third hasnt cleared the raid at all

[fringe cloud]

can't delete the truth

[azure pumice]

nice, maybe I'll learn trio strats then ty

[low rain]

Guess while im here i can say pvp DID get me the Inmost/cyrt stat flex

[exotic valley]

we wiped on third phase hob then we stopped

[coarse burrow]

short story, bungie bad

[formal condor]

Oh understandable

[coarse burrow]

they deleted gm's

[exotic valley]

its not that dif from 6man on paper

[fringe cloud]

me when i do 3 times the damage of my party with izanagi and wendigo (they all think xeno is the best dps)

[azure pumice]

fair

[formal condor]

Yeah I heard about that

[coral stag]

that is some god stats

[coarse burrow]

i ran solo gm's or lfg gm's when i was bored and they deleted them

[formal condor]

I’m sorry

[azure pumice]

run portal gms which require you grind for 40 hours first and then are basically advanced nightfalls 🙃

dw though guys, I'm sure ultimate mode will be hard

[coarse burrow]

it is what it is

[azure pumice]

it's called ultimate mode

[spiral grove]

put on every 50% threat

[coarse burrow]

luh-mao

[low rain]

i mean you can make it hard but you wont be rewarded for it thattsss for sure

[fringe cloud]

rewards are all relative anyway

[azure pumice]

it's a lot less appealing making a loot based game artificial harder for no additional loot :(

[low rain]

honestly tho the tiering makes no sense. just a time sink. at 450 you can hit A tier AT LEVEL

[fringe cloud]

see the previous comment

[azure pumice]

I'd rather just go do something else that's actually difficult than make myself start with no ammo and make the enemies all 60 light higher than me

[fringe cloud]

more loot doesn't make a better game but good luck explaning that to the community

[coral stag]

the problem right now is that there's literally no loot besides power progression until solstice came along

[solemn flame]

just wait until we post the vod brah we’re getting actually unbelievably close to a trio

[low rain]

the 188 grenade stat is useless when theres no content where it matters actually

[azure pumice]

oh fr, was a strat found?

[fringe cloud]

how would you make the game more difficult without adding restrictions. That's like the main way to make anything harder

[solemn flame]

we had to invent the strats

[azure pumice]

I heard something on the solo server about some bs being cooked, but I havent seen it

[coral stag]

you can punch raid bosses to death with that grenade stats

[solemn flame]

and we have been working on it for a few months

[fringe cloud]

soccer would be a lot easier if i could just pick up the ball and run it to the other side

[low rain]

and lmao DP raid is DOG. that farm for T4s was atrocious and then of course they made it easy for everyone

[azure pumice]

nice, I'm excited to see it when it's cleared

[solemn flame]

lowman?

[low rain]

still no tier 4 antedate w rolling jolting

[low rain]

yeah for sunset loot

[azure pumice]

if you mean the server, it was the solo server not one of the lowman lfgs

[fringe cloud]

based

[spiral grove]

there isnt any sunset loot

[azure pumice]

not sure what the context was or if they were referring to the same thing you were, just that something wild was being cooked that would mean trio verity was possible

[low rain]

...

[solemn flame]

idk what u mean by solo server I only know about lowman.gg since I don’t usually lowman but verity is such a rule breaking encounter to lowman

[low rain]

sure feels like it with the buffs you cant stack unless its farmed from portal.

[sour ermine]

On a scale from 1 to 10 how hard is trio verity gonna be

[solemn flame]

10 easily

[coarse burrow]

its not the same 🙁

[fringe cloud]

How do you trio an encounter the required 3 ppl on one side and at least one on the other

[formal condor]

Hi tizio

[solemn flame]

there’s some tricks to circumvent that wipe

[sour ermine]

Hallo :D

[coarse burrow]

maybe some verglas curve tech like with atheon idk

[solemn flame]

and it’s very like trippy I don’t know if I’m tryna explain that

[sour ermine]

The same way people can solo atheon, breaking the game

[low rain]

no i get that too. youre just making it hard to make it like that. no more prestige of the GM playlist or adept drops etc

[low rain]

inmost verity is so clean tho

[azure pumice]

its also very possibly I'm either misremembering the server (or that they were talking about verity the helmet, though I doubt it), but I sent you a server link I guess

[fringe cloud]

soloing atheon just takes one simple solar grenade

you think i don't get around?

[solemn flame]

did u send me it now? still waiting

[fringe cloud]

i know all the forbidden tech

[azure pumice]

yeah I dmd it to you already

may be in discord's message request system idk

[sour ermine]

Yeah but not wiping because of Lost in Time is the part where the game is broken

[solemn flame]

yuh

[misty dawn]

vigilance wing goat

[solemn flame]

all im gonna say is you have to create a clone of yourself using a specific res trick

so the clone is outside and inside at the same time but on your screen your inside

[low rain]

gotta ask--am i being too much farming a T5 solemn w HS/FF when i have a T4...? im in Adept 1/2 now and its taking forever to even find games

[fringe cloud]

stroke?

[azure pumice]

I can't find the conversation anyway (I didn't go back very far tbh) so nvm

anyway I'm excited to see the tech when its released

[sour ermine]

Ah so atheon 2.0, neat

[spiral grove]

tell me the name of the origin trait that you want enhanced

if you cant remember the name then just keep the t4

[sour ermine]

Can't wait to see trio flaw SE

[solemn flame]

not like jumping off and dying you just res yourself at a specific time and do something

[azure pumice]

I mean it gives you something to do I guess, and t5 is cool to have
probably not a significant upgrade though

[low rain]

wait

[fringe cloud]

drop the probably, it doesn't even matter

[low rain]

solemn doesnt have an origin trait

[coral stag]

wait what

[low rain]

lmaooo ive been in this playlist for 6 hours.

[fringe cloud]

how much of an upgrade are we even talking between tiers? <5%?

[spiral grove]

yes thats a trick question

[azure pumice]

oh true lol

[spiral grove]

just keep the t4

[low rain]

no origin

wtf

[azure pumice]

I mean its an ad clear gun, so the 2% damage doesnt really matter, so effectively no upgrade in this case

[solemn flame]

I found it and it was posted by my friend who I’m working with to achieve this

[spiral grove]

t5 enhances the grip

[fringe cloud]

that's so true

[azure pumice]

oh sick

[spiral grove]

so you get an extra 2 stability

[low rain]

oh

[fringe cloud]

2 stability tranlsating to an extra shot hit every 5000 fired

[low rain]

the t5 skin is trash on it anyways

[solemn flame]

js give it 2 weeks and I think we might be done

[fringe cloud]

you do that math

[formal condor]

💀💀

[surreal comet]

is anyone else not able to load into a pvp game

[fringe cloud]

i wish

[sour ermine]

Yeah comp guns have grips not origin traits

[low rain]

alt f4 and reload

its a glitch

[azure pumice]

I mean when I'm on controller, those 2 stab could be the difference between shooting the enemy and shooting the traveler every time I get flinched

[low rain]

get your health stat up

[solemn flame]

what’s the error

[fringe cloud]

you can more than 2 stability by not playing a prehistoric input device

[azure pumice]

it was a joke, I do play pvp with 100 health for that exact reason though

[fringe cloud]

bungie literally invented controller fps that wasn't terrible like 25 years ago

[azure pumice]

I play pve on mnk and pvp on console because I'm trash at pvp and console players are worse

[fringe cloud]

that's old enough to be in the nursing home

[coral stag]

you should do 200 health

[low rain]

listen i was laptop only until 21 i dont do trackpad sweats im controller forever

[low rain]

150 above falls off

[fringe cloud]

wait till this guy hears about usb

[azure pumice]

I think my hardware build last week was like 170 health or so

[coral stag]

170 feels pretty good

[solemn flame]

it doesn’t

[low rain]

also at 150 you can max 2 other stats and have 2 at 70

[azure pumice]

my build wasn't very optimal though, and I havent played much pvp since

[coral stag]

past 180 doesn't give you enough to care about

[azure pumice]

max as in 100 or as in 200?

[low rain]

above 150 kills ability uptime and super gen imo but thats just me

[azure pumice]

I assume 100 nvm, 200s wouldnt be possible ignore me

[low rain]

200 melee w tempest goes hard tho

or 150+ grenade w bakris and dusks lmaoo

[solemn flame]

I love getting aped by a no risk high reward ability that’s so fire

[azure pumice]

tbh I don't know enough about destiny pvp to understand what stats I should be running at what thresholds

I'm usually only there because they force us to play it for pve relevant loot

[solemn flame]

my build loves the number 70 and as high health as possible

[low rain]

im not saying id ever use it. this is tried and true sir. also bolt charge needs to stop existing in pvp

ignore my stats i have 3 char and several builds and im broke now...

[solemn flame]

I tried to trio stack and carry some people and every game had 3 people behind a bolt charge barricade

[formal condor]

💀💀

[pseudo hare]

the fireteam finder lobby i just joined tried to make me do a master fireteam ops with no hud or starting ammo 🤦‍♂️

[azure pumice]

I mean it's certainly one way to get your lfgs to not eager through the whole activity immediately

[solemn flame]

that is aids

[azure pumice]

dw though, some day you'll join an equipment locked no ammo gm whisper and theyll run out of resses before you finish waddling through the jumping puzzle

[pseudo hare]

yeah but its cooked

[solemn flame]

I just create my own post or just orbit

[pseudo hare]

like i ainn doing that bro

frfr

[azure pumice]

yeah I think orbit is the move there

[pseudo hare]

i did that lmao

[coral stag]

did you say burger in the chat before you orbited?

[muted steppe]

what is the max base stat total for exotics now?

[azure pumice]

63 I believe

[coral stag]

like 63

[muted steppe]

bruh

[blissful scaffold]

it should bge 69. I PROTEST

[azure pumice]

theyre treated as t2 armour atm (supposedly planned to change in the future)

[blissful scaffold]

maybe a Platinum Exotic engram for Tier 5

[muted steppe]

is bungie burning chemicals in their office or something? why not just have the same system for normal armor

[azure pumice]

in fact the api actually lists all new exotics as t2s

[azure pumice]

30 ascendant shards and 1000 silver to mw

[pseudo hare]

they completely changed a perfectly fine leveling system that was amazing for new players/peopel who couldnt constantly grind their asses off to max power and then they screwed everything up why would ANYTHING they do make sense

[muted steppe]

i think this power grind is ok if more stuff gets added to portal like dungeon/raids and if the grind inst 250fkin levels

[pseudo hare]

exaclty the portal is a pretty good thing if only there was more variety than caldera

[wet oxide]

getting to 400 thinking you are almost done only for the rest of the power grind to take even longer

[pseudo hare]

also 250 is flippin ridiculous

like before softcap was like 50 below powerful cap and then it was only 10 pinnacle levels

[muted steppe]

they should have made so a featured activity that is clearly more worth to run than anything else and it changes like every 2 hours to have some diversity, or something

[storm relic]

if i got the +1 tier upgrade on kepler do the weekly mythic missions give tier 5?

[pseudo hare]

thats 60 levels of actually power leveling cuz the softcap is genuinely free (like EVERYTHing) dropped above power

[pseudo hare]

yeah like i dont wanna run caldera calderacalderacalderacalderacaldera

[muted steppe]

somebody made a caldera report

[pseudo hare]

now its 250 😭

[pseudo hare]

what does it say?

[muted steppe]

shows caldera k1 encroe and kells fall runs

[pseudo hare]

oh yeah i found it im lookin at it rq

only 32 caldera completions and 20 k1 runs in and i hate it 💔

[coral stag]

caldera report

[pseudo hare]

yeah

[coral stag]

Wild

[pseudo hare]

also bungie just completely killed raiding/dungeeniring other than the new dp raid (which you cant play if your broke like me and cant afford new expansion)

[stark bobcat]

hey im just coming back after awhile... why are we 10 power again???

[pseudo hare]

its so sad cuz no one wanna play old raids like kings fall, and why would they when its mid ahh gear

[pseudo hare]

dont come back uninstall the game

💔

[alpine garnet]

grind to 400 and then re-grind from 10 to 400 again in 6 months

[stark bobcat]

real

[pseudo hare]

at least its 200 to 450 not 10 😭

still gonna be hell on earth if they dont change it

[wet oxide]

level was also weekly limited and only certain activities could bump you tbf

[alpine garnet]

huge!

[pseudo hare]

still though, there was a ton of power/pinna drops and until you reached the powerful cap, pinnacle drops dropped much higher than your regular power

[stark bobcat]

kms

[pseudo hare]

yeah dont even get back into this game just unisntall and play a good indie game like furi

[wet oxide]

you were not reaching powerful cap in 2 weeks unless you got really lucky with drops, and pinnacles were either +1 or +2, not much higher

[stark bobcat]

wth is furi

[pseudo hare]

goated indie game

[pseudo hare]

still, pinnacle cap was only 10 above powerful so that didnt really matter, plus it meant casuals could reach that in maybe a month or two.. and then not have to worry about going down 250 levels each season and instead only like a 10 power grind for each season

not to mention bungie got rid of most of that grind in tfs cuz most activities just bought you up to power or had fireteam power so it didnt matter if you were a casual

anyways im gonna go play new tony hawk tuah game

[alpine garnet]

play FFVII

[alpine garnet]

new game director is bozo

blackburn was the goat

[runic bane]

are auto adaptive frames any good in pvp

[wet oxide]

nah this system has it's flaws but it's much better than being locked out of progressing for the rest of the week because you got 3 energy weapons from garden for the 3rd week in a row

[stark bobcat]

ewww

[coarse burrow]

only one i used was gnawing hunger but i liked it

[normal garden]

fr

real ones know how being locked out of cap because you couldnt get a bond for 5 weeks in a row feels

[wet oxide]

also that +10 cap was pretty meaningful considering how master raids used to work

either that or become a thrallway warrior

[normal garden]

the real heros

[alpine garnet]

hi t’yota hi

[normal garden]

hai hai hai

[azure pumice]

I mean 10 - 200 takes a few hours

200 - 450 takes hundreds of hours depending on your clear times

Even resetting down to 400 every season with the current system would still only cut off about a third of the grind

[spiral grove]

bungie please put comp back in the solstice pool

[wet oxide]

can my tier 5s stop being health and class

[ripe glade]

Before edge of fate, did ascension not trigger dodge related abilities?

[coral stag]

yeah

well I remember it didn't proc the orb pick up thingy mod

[stark bobcat]

this is so unfunny

[normal garden]

It was bugged for the longest time to not. Might have been like that till whatever the 2nd episode was

[normal garden]

Banished to the mines once again. Whats the Solo op today?

[exotic valley]

k1

[fervent veldt]

consistent 2-3 min runs in k1 feels so nice

[fervent veldt]

classic

[coarse burrow]

bungo moment

[fervent veldt]

i got raising canes a few hours ago yay

[misty dawn]

rm5 on his fartbox of a laptop

[coarse burrow]

which combo

[foggy geyser]

Love getting my GM FTF applications declined coz I’m not quite 400, but have eternal title harder than any grandmaster

[spiral grove]

gm inverted spire was harder than eternal

[foggy geyser]

I highly doubt it as you couldn’t even regenerate health in ultimatum difficulty

[ripe glade]

Idk if I like threaded specter more or stylish executioner more for my hunter

[spiral grove]

gm battleground delve lwky harder than 3 feat dp

[spiral grove]

...but you had more of it and could heal you by killing orange bars

[foggy geyser]

Ultimatum is contest mode difficulty with modifiers just so you know

So it not harder

[spiral grove]

im just messing with u

[foggy geyser]

🥲🥹

[tough sable]

why god

[azure pumice]

Don't gms have fireteam light level 🙃

I guess expecting the average ftf user to even know what that is is a bit much

[normal garden]

he gives his greatest warriors his hardest fights

[foggy geyser]

EXACTLY😭 I was being bit bold expecting them to know basic things, especially on a post (need Titan)😭😭

[azure pumice]

It's ftf, we're lucky they gave us tags instead of a keyboard because I doubt half of the playerbase could even spell titan

[misty dawn]

joe baby fingers

[spiral grove]

WHO PUT ANOMALY IN TEAM SCORCHED MAP POOL

[foggy geyser]

🤣🤣

[exotic valley]

get back to lowman unc

[fervent veldt]

the box combo !

[fervent veldt]

for me its 234 caldera, 148 k1 so far

[misty dawn]

i miss us at the helm

[tough sable]

🤫

[tough sable]

insane i cannot

[prime pollen]

whats the highest damaging legendary hand cannon in energy slot?

[still bloom]

come back babe

[exotic valley]

the hand cannon

the one thats like

[wind lake]

Is rangefinder still important in a HC like Austringer?

[solemn flame]

yup

[tough sable]

dsc 👀

[solemn flame]

dsc!

[exotic valley]

dsc?

[still bloom]

🥀

[normal garden]

no rangefinder got got

its not useless, but there are far better perks

[wind lake]

So should i swap RF on my Austringer for Zen Moment?

[normal garden]

Im more a fan of eye of the storm opening shot, but zen moment isnt half bad

[wind lake]

i didn't remember opening shot was in the perk pool, ty a lot, gonna try that one!

[light arrow]

No because zoom no longer effects weapon range drop off therefore rangefinder is no longer a must have on HCs

[coarse burrow]

surely u replaced the coleslaw for an extra texas toast

[tulip halo]

guys why deos trials not drop solstice stuff??

[normal garden]

check postbox

[tulip halo]

oh

well i just went like 20 games without checking it

[normal garden]

sometimes the engrams just go there for no reason

[tulip halo]

weird that i'm getting tier 3's when i'm 400 rank 9

[normal garden]

you only get t5's if you score A+ iirc

and thats way easier in solo ops and pve

[tulip halo]

i mean in general

pve or pvp i'm still getting tier 3 stuff

[olive hill]

in pvp you pretty much gotta win

[normal garden]

Gotta win + top frag

[fervent veldt]

i love when the game decides not to update the score correctly

[hallow wasp]

I have launched d2 for the first time since edging dropped

[coral stag]

the mines call for you

[hallow wasp]

actually its team scorched but sure

[spiral grove]

omg just play what you find fun

there is no mines

do not listen to the voices

[hallow wasp]

Team scorched quickplay world championship

[spiral grove]

solo ops were not meant to be farmed for hours

they were made for dads who have 6 minutes of playtime a day

[hallow wasp]

I am a team scorched fiend

[light arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-jump-rocket-jump-the-rocket-jump-gif-10356223

[spiral grove]

and he went on to kill blueberry

[coral stag]

there are diamonds (mint retrograde) in the mines...

[normal garden]

true and real

get to mining in kells fall

[zealous lava]

does anyone know how to focus onslaught weapons now?

[normal garden]

you dont

[zealous lava]

wym

[normal garden]

there is no current source (but xur) to get them

[blissful scaffold]

I GOT THE RAID EXOTIC

[zealous lava]

interesting

[blissful scaffold]

2ND CLEAR

[normal garden]

gamble at xur for 7 minutes each day

farm the coins, buy the weapons

[blissful scaffold]

AND I DID 20k DMG on final boss

[zealous lava]

one more question, does onslaught drop the weapons? (might be a dumb question)

[normal garden]

no

it drops the portal weapons

[zealous lava]

wow

[blissful scaffold]

@spiral grove I GOT THE RAID EXOTIC ON MY 2nd Clear!

[coral stag]

what did you use

[blissful scaffold]

i was tractor

[coral stag]

oh wow they put you on tractor

[blissful scaffold]

i offer myself

[full yacht]

Gg

[spiral grove]

brug

[full yacht]

Do you know if there s a kinetic slot glaive currently obtainable?

[spiral grove]

at xur rn!

[blissful scaffold]

why?

[spiral grove]

the one at xur is actually kinda good with discord + vorpal

[spiral grove]

top slot glaive

[blissful scaffold]

fly in now

[full yacht]

Wont have access to my pc until Friday 😭

[blissful scaffold]

what happen?

[full yacht]

Not home lol

[lime wigeon]

I'm trying to do the solo crota cheese but I'm having no luck. Was wondering if anyone has done it and can help me out

[unkempt musk]

do you need the navigator for hunter grapple to be op. i dont have the dungeon key 😭

[full yacht]

Cooked

[full yacht]

Yeah because it makes grapple points making it so you can infinitely grapple

You can make grapple points with strand subclass too ig but no point

[normal garden]

im pretty sure they patched it back in wish

[unkempt musk]

ahh so the builds kinda pointless without navi

[normal garden]

pretty sure

[lime wigeon]

apparently some people claim they've done it and it still works as of yesterday

[normal garden]

🤷 Idk, gl tho

[steel garnet]

how hard is solo ghosts of the deep? cuz I rlly want the title but idk if it's worth it, as I don't know how much it will get on my nerves

[silent laurel]

its easier now considering the new stat system gives you so much more, your enemy is gonna be your patience

[steel garnet]

considering I could grind caldera for like 30h straight I think I got some

I'm more afraid of something being annoying or unbearable

[cerulean olive]

Grapple melee makes first boss 🐭

[steel garnet]

crossbow destroys everything easily

I also run well warlock with like 6 different selfheal sources

should that be easy enough?

[cerulean olive]

Crossbow sucks? 😭

[steel garnet]

crossbow is literally top 1 dps weapon in this game rn

[cerulean olive]

3/10 bait

[steel garnet]

like????

no matter if ppl have whisper, tlord, lord of g-, qb or whatever against bosses that are easy enough to hit precision (or even without precision if u re using the explosive arrows), crossbow still rocks

and it's literally just holding left click whole bossfight and nothing else; I also play with only 1 surge, 200 weapon stat, my crossbow is T1 and I have a support warlock build

[stark relic]

i wish the crossbow had a autoloading perk of some kind though

love using it with starfire

[steel garnet]

that would be way too busted

and it already is heavily overpowered as it is

especially on T4

I believe T4 deals like 20% more dmg (or even more) than T1, despite that not a single other weapon is anyhow close to T1's dps

the only weapon that is on par (or a little worse) with T1 crossbow is whisper + sanguine, but you could also just go crossbow + sanguine (arc super) and do even more insane dps

[smoky kindle]

so these solstice sets won't get class glows?

[molten condor]

Expecting lfgs to do good dmg is completely pointless

[steel garnet]

my bro with starfire whisper still did less than me and its dps is similar to sanguine + whisper

[molten condor]

Sanguine whisper is a lot better

[steel garnet]

that was my sanguine whisper

[molten condor]

Every time u throw a grenade u have to reproc whispered breathing which significantly lowers ur dps

[steel garnet]

and that was the same run but crossbow

[north sail]

Maybe try to go touch some grass nigga

[steel garnet]

even if you could optimize sanguine whisper to do more dmg than crossbow itself, then it still won't make the number go higher than crossbow + sanguine

cuz like considering weapon + armor fair to go against only a weapon itself misses the point

but since u can also boost crossbow with sanguine, nothing else can win with that

[steel garnet]

I touch no grass man, it's dirty

[blissful scaffold]

@stark relic wanan hear good new?

[solemn flame]

maybe because ur teammates aren’t optimised

[stark relic]

sure

[solemn flame]

there’s absolutely no way your using that as a excuse that crossbow is best

[blissful scaffold]

I got the DP raid exotic on my 2nd clear.

[stark relic]

nice

[blissful scaffold]

I was the tractor dude and only deal 20k dmg

[solemn flame]

what bosses were these tests on

[steel garnet]

oryx

[solemn flame]

I couldn’t give a fair test because I don’t run kf and the lfgs aren’t real

[steel garnet]

my bro with whisper starfire was optimised and I also was optimised with my sanguine whisper

[solemn flame]

whisper starfire?

[steel garnet]

ye

[solemn flame]

so he’s losing whispered breathing to throw a grenade

[steel garnet]

and as I said I also did sanguine whisper

which was only 3k more than starfire whisper

[solemn flame]

did u have 2 wells

[steel garnet]

yes

[solemn flame]

did u cast ur well or rift 10s before dps

[steel garnet]

infinite wells

like 2s before dps

[solemn flame]

so sanguine already out performs the crossbow

[steel garnet]

sometimes it vanishes for some reason but as I said we have infinite wells so it doesn't matter

[solemn flame]

whisper *

[steel garnet]

nope

[solemn flame]

but u didn’t have sanguine procced for 8 seconds

[steel garnet]

• as I said u can also run crossbow sanguine

why for 8s?

the 4x surges apply immediately

[solemn flame]

oh never mind that stuff only happens on a swap im buggin

there’s no way crossbow out damages whisper

[steel garnet]

it does

even try on a puppet

[solemn flame]

@molten condor is this fact or cap

[kindred fulcrum]

Finally made it to guardian rank 9!

[steel garnet]

I also previously tested my first parse well+eunoia+whisper (no sanguine) for the duration of well and whisper did 30k dmg in that time (top 1 from exotics was auger with catalyst, turret on and its linear mode spam, with 37k dmg)

while crossbow did 62k

it's over 2x dmg more in 30 s

[solemn flame]

what are u using on the crossbow

[normal garden]

trials is so rewarding wowwzers

[steel garnet]

the most important is the modification btw

[normal garden]

smh, not firing line

[steel garnet]

cuz the modification deals like 1,5x of the shot's damage every second shot on this arrow mode

so every 2 shots u deals 8k in total

[solemn flame]

@noble sail

[steel garnet]

that's for precision hits, for bodyshots better is the explosive arrow that deals more dmg for bodyshots and the modification triggers every other shot

without the modification crossbow still deals the most dmg cuz 40k if I remember correctly

while whisper (without sanguine) still only 30k

[solemn flame]

how does it only do 30k if I can pull 90 without any supers

[quaint summit]

this game really wants to get on my nerves. Trying to do my untested competitive thing and it keeps giving me the "mongoose" error and its really annoying

and waste my time

[solemn flame]

where are u from

[quaint summit]

us west

[blissful scaffold]

Won or lose ?

[normal garden]

win

[solemn flame]

yeah idk

[steel garnet]

well+eunoia+the weapon itself within 30s against the red legion boss puppet

without any additional things or weapon swaps

[solemn flame]

the firing range numbers are wrong

[blissful scaffold]

Cause of low pop ot matchmaking issue. Also, the comp will get buff loot drop rate soon

[steel garnet]

doesn't matter as long as it's the same scaling for every weapon there

[quaint summit]

also I assume its still 7 matches? It doesn't say in the portal as far as I've seen

[solemn flame]

so when ur doing the test versus a raid boss thats why its so different

[blissful scaffold]

Hella W

[solemn flame]

but your doing it against a boss and stuff

[steel garnet]

but that puppet counts as a boss (tested)

[solemn flame]

test the same setup on the same raid boss

[steel garnet]

still that doesn't matter cuz I tested both weapons against the same puppet with the same parse

it's objective

[solemn flame]

how are u getting the numbers a timer?

[steel garnet]

well's timer?

I stop the dps once well goes off

its duration is 30 s

[solemn flame]

I don’t understand how whisper only gets 30k and the crossbow gets 60

[steel garnet]

also, if my calculations are correct now, crossbow+sanguine should deal 102k dmg in 30s in the same parse

cuz eunoia doesn't change anything anyway to the hellion at close range

[quaint summit]

I wonder if I should just learn the final boss of the desert perpetual raid instead of doing every other one. I swear the hyrda is the most annoying boss of that raid

[steel garnet]

because crossbow is obviously broken (especially with that modification which gives it like 40% dps buff) and whisper without sanguine sucks

[blissful scaffold]

Hydra annoying? Have you try any mechanic yet?

[steel garnet]

wyvern is the most annoying cuz it's a wyvern

[fluid tundra]

The solar flare infinite flechette storm isnt working for me, it's just slide and melee while holding one right?

[steel garnet]

especially when people assigned to the towers suck

[quaint summit]

I did contest mode on that boss so I know how to do the inside part. I kind of suck at following directions when the triangle thing appears on one of the hydra's