💬destiny-chat

[north nexus]

really?

ik that perk combo exists, but i swear its always been on high impacts or precisions

[reef coyote]

It's on the season of the wish fusion

And I think zealots

[north nexus]

nope

just checked light.gg

its only on loaded question and glacioclasm

which are both high impacts

didnt check for a recon/rburst but id be surprised to see that

[light arrow]

Why does anarchy still have moving target

[north nexus]

because bungie dont like it, and have never bothered to buff it after it was DPS king that one time

kind of sad that it doesnt get something like jolting feedback or chain reaction, or even just, like, field prep

[light arrow]

There isn't a rapid fire fusion with overflow + reservoir burst, just rapid fire fusions with one or the other

Lost signal has overflow and both void rapid fires have rburst

[north nexus]

yeah, and i checked the only fusions with overflow perks (including clown cart or even recon) are high impacts or precision frames

[sly flume]

anyone else getting error code guitar?\

[covert root]

If it's in the pale heart, yea probably every 2 overthrows lmao

[sly flume]

oh so its not a me problem its a them problem as usual.... first i cant focuc artifice now this oh how i love these devs

[reef coyote]

Been a while since I played I thought rburst was controlled burst for some reason

[coarse burrow]

scatter signal gets overflow

[polar mauve]

i have Problem connecting to the game servers. Anyone got Fix?

[chilly steppe]

Play a different game?

[fervent veldt]

^^^

im fish

[wanton halo]

WHAT

[wanton halo]

That's not a fix

[quasi berry]

https://tenor.com/view/koseki-bijou-koseki-bijou-古石ビジュー-hololive-gif-15686921432396494644

[coarse burrow]

i got that too

[chilly steppe]

I love getting this screen

[quasi berry]

https://tenor.com/view/koseki-bijou-hololive-you-rock-moai-hololive-advent-gif-13327425943684869857

[lofty otter]

does any one have ice breaker catalyst chest???

[quasi berry]

what does this even mean

[lost island]

its all in the mind

[zenith widget]

let's make sure we keep it d2 related

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-smiley-whistling-off-topic-gif-8328609

[light arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-wilds-switch-axe-gif-12915978552057946465

[north nexus]

Doesn’t get RBurst

I was complaining about the lack of a perk COMBO, not the lack of perks

[coarse burrow]

it gets controlled burst tho, and thats usually better. usually

[north nexus]

Ehh

30% dps increase on every shot after the 1st compared to 25% on all of them

In a vacuum CBurst is better, but for practical usage I’d say that free, largely unconditional (with recon or overflow active) 25% boost is better than a 30% boost that only procs after 1 shot

[wanton halo]

Gen chat

Give me your best LFR for pvp

[quasi berry]

and the charge rate

[plucky notch]

Damn. Did I just gotten stabbed by the glaive? 😭💀

[quasi berry]

so the dps increase is actually gigantic

[chilly steppe]

Yep you gotten stabbed

[worn pilot]

snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with that next post

[hollow portal]

Is vespers host farmable?

[worn pilot]

[reef coyote]

I thought this was soulcalibur

[reef coyote]

Arbalest? For heavy you can just use any of them

[sage plover]

is iron banner match making broken?

[chilly steppe]

No sir , this is Denny’s

[untold fern]

What would you guys reccomend for a Stasis/Strand Primary ammo gun with demolitionist?

[plucky notch]

You know what.. imma nova bomb’d you.

[chilly steppe]

Plunged into the void oblivion!!

[echo trellis]

erm any specific types

like do u want short mid long range

[plucky notch]

200 times, 500 times, 700 times.. 1000 TIMES! NOVA BOMB!

[chilly steppe]

*** Eternal Damnation! ***

[untold fern]

Well I'm planning to run it with Salvager's Salvo, so something that can cover It's weeknesses would be nice

[plucky notch]

And you had been vaporized into Void. Guess I win ;)

[chilly steppe]

I concede. You win sir.

[north nexus]

its 20% damage 10% cr iirc

or the other way around

[tulip blaze]

well what is its weakness in your build particular?

[plucky notch]

https://tenor.com/view/handshake-gif-20334449

[north nexus]

multiplicitavely thats actually like 32% or something, whatever

[chilly steppe]

🤝

[echo trellis]

so mid long range most likely

okay so id go for um

[untold fern]

Still filling out the build, But probably mostly just being a special weapon when I have other things I want on my helm

[north nexus]

run either darkness rocket sidearm

[untold fern]

Are those not also special?

[north nexus]

that plus salv's salvo is more than enough ammo for anything that isnt a gm or master raid

[light matrix]

i just realized why tf does anarchy have moving target

[north nexus]

theyre effectively primaries

assuming you have good ability usage and let teammates kill stuff, youll have more than enough ammo

[echo trellis]

the guiding sight from ib has demo and hatchling

i will say tho

rocket sidearms are just really good ammo economy

[untold fern]

IB? which expasion s that?

[north nexus]

iron banner

[echo trellis]

iron banner, f2p pvp

[untold fern]

Ah

[echo trellis]

u can also get rocket sidearms: the call from the final shape and tinashes mastery from ib

[untold fern]

Oh god PVP

[untold fern]

Can I craft the call?

[echo trellis]

the call has really good dmg perks and tinashes has chill clip (but a godawful 3rd columb)

[echo trellis]

yes

[untold fern]

Nice

[echo trellis]

it also drops like crazy crazy

[tulip blaze]

what perks are u running on your salvo

[untold fern]

I'm probably gonna go for that so I don't have to PVP

[untold fern]

CR Demo

[tulip blaze]

what subclass

[untold fern]

Prism warlock

[tulip blaze]

super?

[untold fern]

Song

[brave rain]

Forbearance fell off

[light matrix]

i saw a guy with a forbearance with over 250k kills on it and it was like level 2580 if iremember

i thought i had a lot of kills on a gun

[untold fern]

My plan is to run storm grenade s I can use Getaway Artist and Bleak Watcher to get a bunch of turrets and arc souls to kill things for me

[zenith widget]

suro chi cp

[light matrix]

why would anybody just farm a weapon like that, forbearance is an addictingly good gun and has been in the game forever im pretty sure they just only use forebearance

[untold fern]

This will less fix my crippling skill issues and more make it easier to ignore them

[quasi berry]

it's the damage AND charge rate. You don't comprehend how crazy both at the same time are

[tulip blaze]

dms

[light matrix]

bro im so mad

i have 100 resil and 100 disc but i have 99 mobility

[north nexus]

...

the buffs are minor

and they only proc from the 2nd shot onward

even assuming its a 40% dps increase (which it isnt), that only deals more dps than RBurst shots if you shoot 3 shots in a row, and even then its 5% more damage

100+140+140 = 380. 125+125+125= 375

yes, you get your shots off faster, but you also dont have any bonus damage on the first shot

which also hurts the perk against yellow-bars that die in 2-3 shots (you dont get maximum value)

Also, RBurst gives bonus mag size, meaning you can invest in faster charge time on the magazine or not have to use your mod slot on backup mag

[ripe quail]

😀 Nice chat kill

[stiff galleon]

its a 38% increase, yes

[quasi berry]

bns can be more total damage I guess

I like controlled burst because easier

[stiff galleon]

he's not even arguing in favor of bns though he's arguing for reservoir burst

[untold fern]

How do I check which dugeon keys I have?

[stiff galleon]

reservoir burst is fun but like its really not a competitive dps perk

[placid cloud]

yeah im taking controlled burst everytime

[quasi berry]

oh I was confused

yeah reservoir not dps perk it's a orange bar perk

[untold fern]

Ok

What does the Lightfall Key give me access to?

[stiff galleon]

warlord's ruin and ghosts of the deep

[light matrix]

i think ghosts of the deep and warlord's ruin

[untold fern]

Ok

Which of those would you consider easier to learn?

[light matrix]

definitely warlords ruin

which is also easier and shorter in general

[untold fern]

Ok

[light matrix]

and has better loot imo

[untold fern]

Gonna go look up A guide

[stiff galleon]

both are mechanically easy but warlord's is just a lot more fun

[untold fern]

ok

[stiff galleon]

warlord's has a decent rocket pistol and ghosts has a good stasis rocket launcher, and then the rest of the weapons are kind of whatever

[bright sparrow]

It’ll be ok little blueberry

[crude parcel]

hi im playing again after a week i saw they patched the overture panel glitch for the final boss in vespers host, does that mean overture is not opyimal dps or is it something else now?

[vocal marten]

Are you for real?

[echo trellis]

umm the smgs nice for incand but not as good or accessible as recent ones like borrowed time or stuff

warlords im gonna be brutally honest i couldnt name a single other weapon from that dungeon that shi is so forgettable 😭😭

[tacit ledge]

can someone explain the hawk tuah scam in destiny terms

[undone onyx]

Is high grounds bygones still doing well in PvP?

[light matrix]

celestial nighthawk tuah

[wanton halo]

oof

ok so-

Tips for SF VH?? I can do flawlessly on Warlock and Hunter upto final boss. They both suffer in opposite areas though.

Hunter can do mechanics consistently getting to dmg. Warlock cannot, and ONLY bc of the Rad freaks(despite suppressing and not killing them, there’s thousands up my ass lol)

Warlock Does damage better than hunter(only bc she survives longer). unfortunately still a 6-8 phase despite copying, mod for mod, a 4phase build.

Hunter dies after the first golden gun goes off.

Any tips for what i could do at all for either lol? I’m somewhat close to the solo flawless and i just wanna get it done and never touch this dungeon again(she says, as she is going to try to get the catalyst and title)

[stiff galleon]

i remember the sniper just because it had uber niche usage for solo pantheon because of surge stuff

[sweet lark]

omg what a yapper

[civic kettle]

what the bow or the sword?

[fervent veldt]

I...AM STEVE

[spiral bluff]

hey

[undone onyx]

Did high grounds bygones get nerfed?

[stiff galleon]

high ground got disabled in pvp iirc

[light matrix]

jesus christ the amount of bugs listed in the twid is insane

[ripe quail]

Any guessers?

[chilly steppe]

It’s a box

[gilded hearth]

was the content of this box satisfactory?

[untold fern]

I JUST BEAT A DUNGEON FOR THE FIRST TIME

Should probably do my weekly VoG soon

[wanton halo]

dam

[civic kettle]

which part of puppeteer are u having problems with (on each class)

[ripe quail]

Destiny 2 more like DEADSTINY 2

[echo trellis]

tip? use titan

easy onephase raneiks and twophase puppeteer

[civic kettle]

i swear this is your whole personality

[wanton halo]

no. I don’t like titan movement and i suck with it and i don’t wanna use it

lol

[ripe quail]

mate if ur able to make that observation it means u spend way 2 much time in this chat box SEEK HELP ASAP

[wanton halo]

I do that but get a 6 phase lol. doing mactic’s build

lol

dont have the season pass

HUHHHHH

my messages

Hunter: sucks during dps surviving

warlock: sucks getting to dps bc rad

no season pass

I have been TRYING FOR A WEEK AND A HALF LMAO😭😭😭

[civic kettle]

pretty sure u can 1 phase raeniks on all classes currently coz ignitiions work on that boss

[wanton halo]

I got gifted the basic version of the dlc

[civic kettle]

ember of ashes + char = gg

[wanton halo]

only came with the first season

[civic kettle]

well no raeniks is supposed to take reduced ignition damage

[wanton halo]

idkwtd for that

[chilly steppe]

Hmm so many deleted messages

[sharp vessel]

Anyone up for a game?

[crude hull]

I’m back

I can’t take lowman chat anymore

@reef coyote never attempt to come back they have significantly decreased in intelligence

[sweet lark]

what they do

[reef coyote]

Side effect of my ban

[crude hull]

real though

[sweet lark]

#873039036879605761

[coarse burrow]

Ong

[gray widget]

https://discord.com/channels/356833056562348042/1292405643621437481

[fervent veldt]

hi

[floral hemlock]

what is best / easy encounter to farm prophet of doom in garderns next week

[sweet lark]

nothing compared to peepochicken

[gray widget]

Bello Chain

[fervent veldt]

bello!

[light matrix]

i hate when they give us seasonal challenges when we need to get specific elemental kills on enemies in vanguard ops or gambit playlist

they did the same thing last season with vex and it was so hard to complete

now its with scorn

[civic kettle]

wdym

it says in vanguard playlists

just spam strikes

[light matrix]

yea youd be surprised how long that takes

when theres like 2 strikes with scorn in it

same problem last season when there were like 2 strikes with vex

[civic kettle]

whats wrong with scorn/vex strikes

usually those ones have more enemies anyway

[wanton halo]

so factual

[light matrix]

nothing is wrong with them theres just very few

so when u doing playlist u gotta requeue like 100 times

90% of the strikes is iether fallen or dark legion

or hive

[cursive pelican]

ya’ll still play destiny?

[cedar crag]

Yeah

[gray widget]

yep. everyday

[cursive pelican]

[frigid hatch]

it's bugged, if you time out but get to the "final stand" the boss AI bricks where it'll never reform but the mini servitors will never have the flag removed that lets them die

[cursive pelican]

after the bungo layoffs i just stopped playing

[cedar crag]

I log on. Stare at zavala for 2 hours while I goon to the blue man then log off. Another worthwhile gaming session.

[frigid hatch]

so it is NOT ideal to 1 phase Raneiks, ironically enough

[cursive pelican]

ya’ll gotta get therapy

[cedar crag]

I spent 86 engrams and never got a single roll of a gl with bns. Let me cope.

[light matrix]

which gl

[cursive pelican]

my life has been so better without destiny 2

ill watch the worlds first time to time

reminded me why XQC and Tfue quit destiny 2 due to its immense pain to grind.

[cedar crag]

Wicked sister

[cursive pelican]

And didnt couple of other streamers quit D2 cuz of it?

[frigid hatch]

"we fixed perk weighting" -- i've rolled over 100 Tinasha's Mastery's and a grand total of 3 had Chill Clip...

[sacred flax]

Pvp so terrible im on the verge of quitting

[light matrix]

they def didnt fix it

[buoyant moon]

ofc they didn't

[cursive pelican]

oh it was pengiunz0 who quit doing worlds first after cough cough RoN

[cedar crag]

Same but 2

[frigid hatch]

[cursive pelican]

One of the snoozest raid of all time

[cedar crag]

Does reverberation even do anything?

[buoyant moon]

conversation with yourself

[frigid hatch]

like not even Chill Clip Impulsive or Chill Clip Reverb, or Chill Clip anything

[cursive pelican]

[light matrix]

fr bro lmao

[frigid hatch]

it just, literally, does not roll Chill Clip 97% of the time for me, insofar

how is that possible if every perk has equal weight?

it's not

[light matrix]

i think because its true rng now ur just incredibly unlucky

[cursive pelican]

I feel like if i touch destiny 2 again

[light matrix]

cause ive been getting the roles i want relatively easily

[cursive pelican]

I am imagine the pain that i have to go through again

[light matrix]

smoebody post the gif of that guy talking to a brick wall

[cursive pelican]

no

[buoyant moon]

thank god u still pay for a nitro boost for this server

[cursive pelican]

Yeah to clown on you guys

[buoyant moon]

schizophrenia

[light matrix]

im detecting the tism in this one

[inner sandal]

you buzzed?

[chilly steppe]

Weird priorities

[primal flame]

If you hold the dismantle key on it, you get some glimmer

[chilly steppe]

And maybe an enhancement core

[analog agate]

Hey happy to see it being used in pvp

But graviton lance shouldn’t make up half the other teams exotic choice nearly every other two games

I think it’s dominance needs to be challenged and two bruts shouldn’t four crit

[low kettle]

Guys

When we getting frontier?

[worn bobcat]

im free!

[fervent veldt]

im fish

[analog agate]

Ok yeah

Fraction Lance is a little too popular in basic PvP

It’s been this way for months as well. Jsut need to change its trek slightly and bring down the ultra ease of use

And buff lotentz in pvp and pve

Liek at least only start the 30 second timer when you pick up all three totems or let any kill from AMY source drop a totem

Or jsut give it an alt mode that is the super charged shots you can swap to like vex

[normal hazel]

Honestly all it needs is to drop the lagrangian sight things on assisted kills or any teammate kills too

Also hello it's been a while since you've been active here

[tired oriole]

😄

[gray widget]

fox:)

[tired oriole]

hope every one had a good day

[gray widget]

you too

[tired oriole]

i locked in today

[gray widget]

yay

[normal hazel]

The void linear from dawning both looks good and has good perks, I'm gonna pick it up

[tired oriole]

gambit linear :3

[normal hazel]

It's Corsair's Wrath

[tired oriole]

isnt the gambit ine stasis nvm

[inner sandal]

strand

ok

[normal hazel]

Laser painter? It's strand and also rolls with garbage

[tired oriole]

i thought it had good perks

[normal hazel]

Genuinely one of the worst linears in the game

[normal hazel]

Look it up on foundry, Laser Painter

[tired oriole]

dont wanna !!!

[normal hazel]

There's like, clown cart/firing line and that's literally it

[tired oriole]

oh

almost good...

[normal hazel]

Nvm it doesn't roll with firing line

[tired oriole]

😭

[normal hazel]

It has focused fury, vorpal, and high impact reserves as its buffs

[little mortar]

Clown Cart/Box Breathing I would say. Or Clown Cart/Vorpal

[normal hazel]

Box breathing????

That perk is GARBAGE in pve

[little mortar]

On most weapons

[normal hazel]

On every weapon. You can only fire once every 1.5 seconds for a 29% buff

Or you can get scintillation and have a 30% buff that's always active

[little mortar]

Whisper of the Worm has Box Breathing and it’s a DPS monster

[normal hazel]

No, it has Whispered Breathing which is different

[inner sandal]

whispered breathing <> box breathing

[normal hazel]

Whispered Breathing doesn't disappear when you fire. Box Breathing does

[little mortar]

Is it now?

Good to know

[normal hazel]

So you have to hold for 1.5 seconds every shot

[inner sandal]

give us a high-impact lfr with a longer charge time and maybe box breathing would be useful on it

[iron sinew]

box breathing cope in big 2024

[normal hazel]

And box breathing, unlike firing line, stops counting when you pull the trigger

[little mortar]

No one asked you 💀

[normal hazel]

Not firing line, opening shot

So you have to wait 1.5 seconds, then charge, then fire

Aka 2 ish seconds

[inner sandal]

it stops counting on shot fired, not trigger pulled (which matters for lfrs)

[iron sinew]

are you a human

[normal hazel]

Iirc it'll activate fine but it stops counting when you pull the trigger

[inner sandal]

nope, it stops on shot fired

[little mortar]

Will Glaciocasm be part of Dawning again this year?

[normal hazel]

I must be insane then

[iron sinew]

what do you think

[normal hazel]

Yeah but why get it tbh

[inner sandal]

so a really slow-charging lfr you only need to hold for a fraction of a second before pulling the trigger to get the bonus from box breathing

[drowsy palm]

When is dawn event coming ?

[little mortar]

One of the best fusion rifles in the game

[little mortar]

Next Tuesday

[drowsy palm]

Good

Cuz i got bored

[little mortar]

And it will last to December 31st

[inner sandal]

also my beloved, cold front

[normal hazel]

Not anymore, high impacts are kinda meh

[iron sinew]

fusion rifle cope in big 2024

[drowsy palm]

Is destiny dying rn ?

[normal hazel]

With Zealot and Gravitic, glacioclasm doesn't really have anything to offer

[little mortar]

It’s been dying for years

Slowly yes

[normal hazel]

Especially because Zealot still kills at 18-20 meters

[inner sandal]

its farmable by non-endgame players

[lapis delta]

We are in Vesper's trying to do the puzzles but are locked out of the first door after the first encounter, anyone know why?

[little mortar]

I’d rather farm Glaciocasm than Garden

[normal hazel]

I feel like VH first is trivial if you have people to do it with

[drowsy palm]

I mean i played it from the beginning its better than before

[normal hazel]

Than garden 1st enc? One of the easiest raid encounters in history with a challenge that's completely free?

[drowsy palm]

But they need to change everything cuz i got boredd

[little mortar]

You get the FR from 1st encounter?

[normal hazel]

Yes

Also the dawning linear rolls with envious arsenal/BnS

[little mortar]

And then was the challenge?

[little mortar]

What’s the element? Void?

[normal hazel]

It also rolls with recon/high ground for champs or something

[normal hazel]

Void

[normal hazel]

Don't kill cyclopses until the final room

[little mortar]

That’s so free lol

[normal hazel]

It's literally like 2-3 minutes per run with challenge

[little mortar]

I’m trying to get Ancient Gospel crafted first

[normal hazel]

And you get arguably the best void fusion in the game right now

[little mortar]

Cuz my dumb-butt deleted Kindled Orchid

[normal hazel]

I want gravitic because it has chain reaction and that's funny

[little mortar]

What are the raids this week?

[normal hazel]

Vow, last wish

[little mortar]

Yay! Kalli farm

Time to get that arc fusion rifles

[normal hazel]

Honestly glad I didn't farm the last wish weapons as nearly every one of them is powercrept

Except nation of beasts and supremacy

[shadow torrent]

hello chat

[normal hazel]

I hate supremacy so much. Why do shaders only cover like 5% of the weapon

[little mortar]

It’s a beast

Also, I wonder why kind of mods we’ll get in act 3…

[iron sinew]

mid

[inner sandal]

chattering bone kill clip/tremors (tremors dmg scales with weapon dmg)

[normal hazel]

Iirc kill clip does not affect tremors

[little mortar]

Probably

[patent pecan]

Trio flawless master vow

[little mortar]

Hopefully a fusion rifle champion mod though

[little mortar]

#vow-of-the-disciple

[normal hazel]

Hopefully an anti barrier mod that isn't awful

[patent pecan]

?

Why send that

[tired oriole]

dont lfg in main chat

[little mortar]

If you’re looking for a trio flawless master vow, you can go there to look (that’s all)

[tired oriole]

no u cannot

[patent pecan]

I just said it

[little mortar]

??

[iron sinew]

If you’re looking for a trio flawless master vow, you can go there to look (that’s all)

[inner sandal]

[patent pecan]

Lowman serber

[little mortar]

I’m just gonna ignore you

[tired oriole]

If you’re looking for a trio flawless master vow, you can go there to look (that’s all)

[little mortar]

You suck bro 💀

[tired oriole]

😦

[iron sinew]

thats all

[tired oriole]

i do mot

[patent pecan]

Trio master vow

[iron sinew]

Trio master vow

[patent pecan]

Very cool

[tired oriole]

Its not flawless anymore

[little mortar]

I guess so… /joking

[tired oriole]

trio master flawless vow

[patent pecan]

Flawless is possible just harder

[tired oriole]

i died first in my trio vow

[patent pecan]

Trio flaw master vow but lowman drama happens with a popular YouTuber

[tired oriole]

luckily im not in the know

[unkempt pendant]

Iron banner refuses to show kindness to me

[chilly steppe]

That’s all

[little mortar]

You still got 4 days left

And you only need 1 more to lose your sanity

[normal hazel]

Just checked, kill clip does not affect tremor damage

Desperate Measures does for some reason

[inner sandal]

💀

eh its still two damage perks on a weapon with very high base stats, including reload

[normal hazel]

Your mother

[inner sandal]

pepepoint

[stiff widget]

is there a reason i cant see edge of salvation on the Raid lfg tab

[coarse burrow]

#salvation’s-edge

[stiff galleon]

you have to enable it in the browse channels section or something

[fervent veldt]

velocity baton is just crazy af

[stiff galleon]

discord is ran by nitwits and fools

[fervent veldt]

literally cannot die

[vernal marsh]

What are the good weapons from SE to prioritize for crafting?

[wanton halo]

whats the best way to farm glimmer

[molten condor]

pulse smg sniper sword

[molten condor]

public events

[wanton halo]

how much glimmer each?

[molten condor]

idk exactly

[wanton halo]

hm ok thx

[light matrix]

if you got the ghost mod and the tonic its like 15-25k

[chilly steppe]

lol

[chilly steppe]

Rest in peace dead chat. - dec 5th 2024

[vast matrix]

Does my whole team have to be the subclass for the conqueror's discipline title?

[light matrix]

does opening engrams at eido work with tonics?

[molten condor]

no

[trail bay]

What's this week raid?

[twilit pewter]

vow my beloved

[iron sinew]

i own this cord

[normal garden]

Goated. Last successful run was nearly a year ago 🔥

[twilit pewter]

mine was 5 mins ago 🔥

[real verge]

I LOVE BEING A GODSLAREY

I FLOBE SLAGIHHING GODS

[lament escarp]

I need help. I got a new light friend, and im taking him through ritual activities to get exotic engrams. but for some reason he doesn't have the challenges, any idea why?

like the challenges that say "complete 3 ritual activities" and get an exotic engram

[light matrix]

a bug

same thing happened to a new light friend of mine

the game is just unbelievably buggy rn due to layoffs

[cyan anchor]

Bruh you couldn't even slay a chud

[latent forge]

what’s wrong w being a chud

[normal hazel]

Man why does Naeem's lance have to disappoint me

Slice doesn't count as active before the shot lands like voltshot does so if you one shot the enemy it doesn't generate a tangle or trigger stylish and that makes me sad

Cause a slice sniper actually is super good for making things hurt less at range

[molten condor]

Chud nation

[placid cloud]

king's back

[stable wedge]

yo malwarebytes says d2 is flagged as a blocked website

it says compromised

idk why its doing this when its never done this before

[wanton halo]

Pete fartsons rigged d2 with a bitcoin miner for more cars in his collection

[compact nova]

why does every WR weapon except for indebted have to suck

[normal hazel]

The bow and sword are alright tbh

Naeem's is honestly fine because slice is a good utility the only problem is slice itself being weird and not working like other debuffs

[normal garden]

anti-malware "software" is just glorified bloatware, dont listen to a thing it says

windows defender would've yelled at you if there was a real problem

[stable wedge]

yeah i was just wondering been having malwarebytes for years and ever since i rese my pc its been saying everything is on the not allow list

literally its never happened before

[normal garden]

Trashware

its all any antivirus is now days

[compact nova]

is there any way to rewatch the TFS ending cutscenes

[normal garden]

its an option in excision

[compact nova]

oke

[normal hazel]

Antivirus software stops you from getting viruses by making your computer run so slow it can't download them anymore

[normal garden]

real

[steady flax]

e

[vast matrix]

Wrong cause I did it with stasis and it didn't count

[coral stag]

I did it with stasis weapons on kinetic and heavy and it didn't count

[vast matrix]

I did it full stasis subclass and it didnt count

[coral stag]

Possibly a bug

[normal hazel]

I thought grav lance had a ttk of 0.8. It has a ttk of 0.73

Why is that allowed? Almost 50 meters of range, 100 stability, and a blitzing fast ttk

[carmine beacon]

it probably used to, they just buffed its rpm recently tho

[normal hazel]

It had a ttk of 0.88. Bungie SAID they were lowering the ttk to 0.8 but they lowered it to 0.73

[carmine beacon]

oh that doesnt surprise me, bungie only gets the numbers right like 60% of the time

[normal hazel]

They buffed 120s, they buffed heavy burst pulses

Can't wait for the smg buff

Bungie's new strike team seems to forget why they nerfed things and then goes and buffs then back

[tired valley]

Next SMG buff: 20% more damage and 35 more stability

[normal hazel]

Smgs
Target lock: we feel the prior nerfs to target lock are causing it to underperform on smgs. Reverted previously activated change (20% mag down to 12.5% mag)

[sacred flax]

Pvp would be saved fr

[weary fern]

So they buffin SMGs, hmm?

I shredded Gahlran yesterday, btw. Utilized Strand damage to make it happen.

Hit him with strand GL grenade, then went berserk with SES infused bladefury.

ALSO, CHAT DEAD. Must find the funny and get some sleep.

Ugh, it's Friday, (which happens to be my current Monday)

[granite holly]

Hi, I have a question. I wanna farm for icebreaker (which I don't have), can I just join checkpoints and open the catalyst chest to get it? If not what's the best way to go about it?

[fervent veldt]

can it be next week already

[sour ermine]

You can't farm icebreaker

Exotics from dungeons can only be farmed if the dungeon is the weekly featured

And since Vesper's the newest dungeon it can't be featured until a new dungeon comes out

[granite holly]

What lol, can I dm you to avoid cooldown?

[reef coyote]

@rich fjord kids are smoking the coronavirus

[weary fern]

Kids smoke their own brains.

[hollow oyster]

what gun from ib is good except for crimils tinashas and multimach

[fervent veldt]

uhh, i heard the fusion is good in pvp!

[wanton halo]

uhh ballyhoo

[compact nova]

riiswalker if you're too poor to own conditional finality

also the reprised archons thunder is neat

look out for rimestealer headstone

[stiff galleon]

rime is like the worst 3rd column icl

2nd actually, dynamic sway is the worst

[sacred flax]

Gunnoras if you don’t have a good legato and occluded

[wanton halo]

I HATE RIMESTEALER!!!!

[slate scarab]

Hey , for those Who Know . Matchbook and speaker sight is stil op ?

[compact nova]

it never was "op" its just a good combo

but yeah solid

[ashen tiger]

is t here anyone online>?

neeed help

[slate scarab]

In end game too ?

[compact nova]

yeah its nice

[slate scarab]

K ty i will try it

[worn pilot]

?

[ashen tiger]

can u add me

and join my team

[worn pilot]

y

[echo trellis]

lethal abundance is decent for pvp

[exotic hedge]

Hi Mari 🐨🦄

[hallow wasp]

aw hell naw

[echo trellis]

hi becky

[echo trellis]

imean im good at pvp ig

[hallow wasp]

lethal abundance is not it

[echo trellis]

mfw im good at pvp

its a good 360

[hallow wasp]

360s/autos aren't good is the issue

dies to flinch from anything

[barren marsh]

Hey kinda story question, but where can i find the Void Suppressor grenade for Prismatic Titan?

I feel like im running in circles with this

[sour ermine]

Either from the story or from the post campaign missions (the orange flags next to ghost in the tower in the pale heart)

[barren marsh]

The only part of the story i have left is that big 12 player witness fight, but i dont think that'd give a nade

and i thought for sure i did all the orange flags :/

[sour ermine]

There's 6 total

[barren marsh]

mhm

[sour ermine]

2 in mid, 2 left, 2 right

[barren marsh]

Home 1&2, Queens 1&2

and i cant rembember the last ones name rn

[sour ermine]

You didn't do hollow 1&2

[barren marsh]

I did lol

[sour ermine]

Then you might have forgotten a prismatic chest in one of the missions

[barren marsh]

could it be bugged since this is my second time goin thru it?

first was on hunter

[sour ermine]

Nah it's more likely you missed a chest

[tired valley]

guys how do i get good at sniping i got 3 targetting mods and 3 dexeterity mods why i still suck

[barren marsh]

do i gotta replay em all then :C

[sour ermine]

Simply get used to sniping

Snipers in D2 are silly

[tired valley]

I sniped for 5 years now i still suck

[sour ermine]

Look up on YouTube

[barren marsh]

I have been :/

[hallow wasp]

what sniper are you using

[sour ermine]

It's probably in the same mission where you get the new aspect and super

[barren marsh]

I thought so

[tired valley]

cloudstrike

[hallow wasp]

and are you on controller or kbm

[tired valley]

im on kbm

[barren marsh]

but i have both supers

[sour ermine]

Yeah that's skill issue sorry

[barren marsh]

and all aspects

[hallow wasp]

then switch to a not exotic sniper with snapshot opening shot

[sour ermine]

Again, you might have forgotten one of the chests

[barren marsh]

urghh

alr thanks

[tired valley]

I tried that, i still suck

[barren marsh]

ill replay em x3

[hallow wasp]

supremacy from last wish is a very easy snipe to hit with

beyond that you practice where to aim to get good flicks when people show up

[worn pilot]

nerd talk

[tired valley]

I should get 4 targetting mods instead of 3

[buoyant moon]

just hit ur shot

[tired valley]

I cant

even if they stand still for 5 seconds i still cant

[buoyant moon]

🚸

[sour ermine]

I don't think that's even possible

[tired valley]

i always do the impossible dw

[cedar crag]

I am growing closer to the Italians with every passing second.

[sour ermine]

And we are eager to welcome you

[cedar crag]

Submit your tall females to me

[wanton halo]

dont fall for it you are gonna join the mafia by accident

[echo trellis]

u just suck methinks

[echo trellis]

?

[hallow wasp]

no it's how the meta looks

[cedar crag]

Yippie

[hallow wasp]

I can win with an auto but id never recommend one rn

[full spade]

weird question, anyone know if you can play D1 without a PS+ subscription?

[fervent veldt]

im going to assume not since its a multiplayer game

[coarse burrow]

^

[full spade]

yeah, it's what I thought but I know some games you can play without like Fortnite and I think D2 lol

super unlucky, want to replay through it all but don't have the funds

[fervent veldt]

i think even d2 you need ps+

hopefully one day playstation will allow people to play free games without needing ps+

[full spade]

it has a weird limbo where you can play some things but not others

[fervent veldt]

oh right right

[full spade]

you for sure can, I know fortnite and overwatch are playable without ps+

[barren marsh]

apparently the chest just doesnt show up???

urgh TwT

[full spade]

but yeah super unlucky, had the itch to run it all back with my winter break but old console infrastructure sucks

[hallow wasp]

as long as consoles stay profitable while demanding money for online it won't change

[ornate osprey]

meow

[mental plover]

Curious to know if anyone else is having weird drop patterns for Tinasha's Mastery? I've been getting offhand strike/chill clip 6-7 times in a row

[untold phoenix]

No they are completely normal when put into a spreadsheet, you just have bad rng bud

[mental plover]

But the probability of this pair of perks appearing consistently really shouldn't be this high. Anyone getting a consistent pair of perks in their drops?

[mental plover]

I'm wondering if the pair of perks would be different for other people. Then if all our data is put together, it'd still look normal in the spreadsheet, cus we'd even out

[sacred flax]

They can be solid, depends on the perks and the weapon

[hallow wasp]

meta wise there is no reason to run one

[sacred flax]

True, but autos in general aren’t the best atm.

[untold phoenix]

Pulse Peter 2 bursting me in 0.6s when I turn the corner

[brazen fern]

why are burgers doing gms

[hallow wasp]

pulses at long range shotgun at close

[mental plover]

Like 0.18^5 (1/6 for each perk) is extremely unlikely...

[ashen tiger]

any one online?

[brazen fern]

like stick to strikes and patrols

[ashen tiger]

need a hand

[fervent veldt]

thats what im saying

[untold phoenix]

What's the gun this week?

[normal hazel]

They're not bad at all, especially because their ttk goes from 0.8 to 0.67 with something like kill clip which just allows for rancid kill chains

Also, not kidding, try crouching in duels if you can help it. Crouching gives high impacts more accuracy but also gives autos increased stability

[sacred flax]

Yea, slugs atm especially are insane.

[sacred flax]

It’s the range and high impact pulses are more forgiving around cover aswell

[normal hazel]

High impact autos have more range than pulses

[sacred flax]

I didn’t know that ngl, regardless it’s the way autos work.

[sour ermine]

Undercurrent I think

[normal hazel]

Actually just double checked they have the same range as pulses

[untold phoenix]

Explains the burgers then

[normal hazel]

But since high impact autos have a higher range stat than most high impact pulses, you can outrange them

Oh, and there's the part where they have more forgiveness at range so even outside of their optimal range you can still out duel them

[untold phoenix]

Base abyss has +1 meter of range over Elsie's

[sacred flax]

Yea but the reason why most don’t use high impact autos is because you can’t really peekshoot with them compared to high impact pulses

[sour ermine]

I mean if you want a good waveframe you literally have forb from onslaught, tusk from IB, martyr's from failsafe focusing

[normal hazel]

With that being said, 360s are still mid

[untold phoenix]

Still rather have elsies

[normal hazel]

Yeah it's why I think autos should have giga high flinch, so that they can be suppressing fire weapons

[sacred flax]

They flinch but like, if someone is playing at a wall an auto can’t really do much

[normal hazel]

Oh I mostly use Lodbrok ngl

My lodbrok has 93 range which is higher than Elsie's can get with anything other than fullbore, even with ballistics

[sacred flax]

I wanna try that lowkey, is it any good?

[normal hazel]

Max range Elsie's (fullbore, ricochet, ballistics, range MW) puts it at 94 range

[normal hazel]

Honestly? You need like a 4/5 or 5/5 but yeah it can absolutely mop in 6s

Mine is fluted/ricochet/DSR/Kill Clip/Range MW

Absolute beast of a gun, especially because kill clip puts it at 0.67s ttk which is so annoying to fight against

[sacred flax]

Kill clip is my favorite perk, I’d probably use it tbh.

Wish prosecutor had KC, it would be so much better

[normal hazel]

The only problem with Lodbrok is that it can't be enhanced yet which is a shame

Lodbrok with ballistics mod 🤤

[sour ermine]

Balls(istic) mod

[normal hazel]

With my fluted roll that puts it squarely at 99 range and 56 stability with 51 handling, too

A good substitute for dynamic sway is perpetual motion which can give it some helpful bumps, but that's really it

[sacred flax]

I don’t like perpetual just because of matador

Was such a huge difference from perpetual to threat

[normal hazel]

Well now matador is powercrept at last

Rejoice! Now everyone will use either deadlock or prophet of doom

[wide ice]

Still like matador

[sacred flax]

Ngl, matador still just feels insane

Like there are statistically better shotguns now but the feel and the consistency of it is still top tier

[normal hazel]

Oh that's fair the difference is small enough that only turbosweats care

I'll get prophet of doom because I don't have matador and cbf to farm it

[sacred flax]

Prophet of doom is better tbh

Compass rose is completely terrible atp

[normal hazel]

I wouldn't say that. It's outclassed for sure but it's still probably the best pvp solar shotgun

[sacred flax]

I main it, have a 5/5. it gets completely outclassed now

[normal hazel]

Oh also in case you want it, Herod-C from gambit has slightly different but directly comparable stats to Lodbrok-C with a better scope

Don't ask me how a holo sight and a full on short scope have the same zoom but y'know

[buoyant moon]

you're here yapping every time i open this chat i'm getting worried for you

[hallow wasp]

340 pulses have .67 base ttk

[buoyant moon]

is everything okay

[normal hazel]

Oh I know

[sacred flax]

Man those 2 have like some mid perks tho

[hallow wasp]

with better range flinch aim assist flinch resist and ease of use

[normal hazel]

Not even slightly! Thanks for asking

[normal hazel]

*same range

[hallow wasp]

okay then why praise a gun that's a straight downgrade

no Elsie's outranges it

[normal hazel]

No it doesn't lol

[hallow wasp]

340 pulses outrange autos yes

[normal hazel]

They have the same range scalar but Lodbrok has a higher range stat, giving it directly more range

360 autos have a higher range scalar than other autos

[hallow wasp]

doesn't matter

[normal hazel]

It does matter, because it makes lodbrok outrange Elsie's

[hallow wasp]

it doesn't

[normal hazel]

It literally does

Check D2 foundry right now

[hallow wasp]

why would i

[sacred flax]

They have similar range doesn’t really matter tbh

[hallow wasp]

340 pulses perform far better at 40m with better stat package than any 360 auto can hope to

the d2foundry number is less than half the story

[normal hazel]

Idk 360s have pretty good stats, also 340 pulses immediately lose forgiveness outside optimal range and 360 autos do not

At 41 meters you will out ttk an Elsie's every single time presuming both parties land all shots

The killer of 360 autos isn't the range or the stats it's the fact that they cannot peek shot at all

[sacred flax]

Situational tbh, even when Elsie’s is out of range you still can get caught lacking by it

[normal hazel]

But if the person you're dueling is, say, a plank of wood, as is common in 6s (the only place I recom using high impacts unless you're god) then you'll be fine

[sacred flax]

340s just need to be nuked Ngl, they have never ever been bad

[normal hazel]

Yeah but if you're both hitting shots you will kill an Elsie's every time

[sacred flax]

I’ve used abyss defiant in trials, it wasn’t that bad tbh

[normal hazel]

High impact autos are not terrible by any stretch, they're just not amazing

[sacred flax]

Yea

[normal hazel]

I feel like comparing any weapon's performance to literally the best dueling weapon in the game and then calling it bad is a bit bad faith

[sacred flax]

I’m gonna try a rapid fire pulse next trials weekend

Should be interesting

[normal hazel]

Bungie should lower their range scalar to 1.6 so they're the same as 450 autos

Less range = faster ttk but easier to counter

[sacred flax]

Tbh it’s not even the range, it’s ease of use

[normal hazel]

Yeah but like, cut their range first

[sacred flax]

Like, headseeker helps a lot then zen moment just makes it not move whatsoever

[normal hazel]

I wouldn't mind having Elsie's with garbage range

It's funny because technically agg burst pulses also overperform for their range but since they require 8 headshots to kill, people don't use them

[sacred flax]

If they nuke 340 pulses we will be in a scout meta and or aggressive pulse meta

[normal hazel]

Bungie should change that too, tbh. Let me 7 head 1 body with agg bursts I promise it won't make them op

[normal hazel]

No we won't we'll be in a heavy burst meta with things like grav lance and Aisha's Care

[sacred flax]

Aggressives are fine, if they touch them. Ggs

[sacred flax]

Ohh yea forgot about those

[normal hazel]

Yeah cause some absolute dumpster fire of a balancing team decided to give them a ttk of 0.73

[sacred flax]

G lance was never even bad

[normal hazel]

It wasn't even a poorly thought out pve buff, bungie straight up buffed them FOR pvp

[sacred flax]

Long range metas in general just need to go

[normal hazel]

Every time they buff G lance it immediately overperforms

[wanton halo]

is it normal if I shed my skin

[sacred flax]

Makes the game slower than it already is

[normal hazel]

I disagree because the alternative is smg meta and I do not want that back

[sacred flax]

Last year in season of the deep

[sacred flax]

Smgs were better besides from the devices

[normal hazel]

Just nerf heavy burst and high impact pulses

Hand cannons, agg bursts, rapid fires, lightweights, none of these are overtuned right now

[echo trellis]

meta doesnt matter im goated either way

[sacred flax]

Usually it’s not only the weapons, its the 3 over shield barricade titans with cloudstrike and scatter nades with bubble

[normal hazel]

You know it babey (scatter nade using titan)

[sacred flax]

Smgs by themselves were really strong but I don’t think they needed to be nuked

[normal hazel]

I don't use bastion in pvp tho

[sacred flax]

I do, it’s the best thing on void Titan

[normal hazel]

I mostly play void hunter because it makes people mad and that's really funny

[sacred flax]

I’m mid at void hunter tbh

[normal hazel]

Void hunter without a shotgun (which I don't run) or a sniper (which I suck at) isn't even op

[sacred flax]

Fave class is arc hunter

[normal hazel]

I cannot get arc hunter to work in pvp

Well, except disorienting blow which is comedic

[sacred flax]

Your best friend on arc hunter is your dodge and melee

Nothing else, because everything on it sucks now

[normal hazel]

I'll stick with void or solar hunter

[sacred flax]

They nuked storms edge which was the only thing that made arc hunter viable

[normal hazel]

Prism hunter just doesn't gel with me in pvp at all, no clue why

[sacred flax]

It’s kinda mid now

At least mid compared to what it used to be

[normal hazel]

Hard disagree, storm's edge is 1. Barely sternly glanced at and 2. About the same as arc staff if you're not bad

[sacred flax]

The best classes now are void hunter and pris Titan

[barren marsh]

@sour ermine for future reference its queens 1

[normal hazel]

Storm's edge is still stupidly powerful, probably too strong

[sacred flax]

Storms edge is gutted now ngl

[normal hazel]

Not even. I was using it in IB and countdown and would land it every time I cast it

[sacred flax]

You don’t see it anymore because the tracking is so bad on it now and then the cooldown

[cedar crag]

No it's still super obnoxious

[normal hazel]

The tracking wasn't nerfed

They adjusted the vertical hitbox to not be 5 meters tall but the tracking wasn't touched

[sacred flax]

I’m ngl I haven’t died to a storms edge in like a solid week now

[cedar crag]

Feels the same to me

[sacred flax]

When someone uses it on me I just jump over it

[hallow wasp]

flinch

[normal hazel]

Yeah bc people didn't learn how to actually use it

[sacred flax]

There wasn’t a need to because it was just a free super tbh

[vocal marten]

Storms mid

[hallow wasp]

it's still free

[normal hazel]

Autos flinch harder than pulses ngl, and flinch is barely a factor at all after the blanket 15% flinch nerf

[sacred flax]

Won’t see much of it anymore because it’s like not better than silence and squall now

[hallow wasp]

this is cap

[normal hazel]

Yeah so if you learned to use it it still claps

[sacred flax]

Cooldown is terrible

[normal hazel]

I promise it's not

[normal hazel]

The cooldown is unfortunate but honestly deserved

[vocal marten]

Do you pinky promise?

[sacred flax]

Very, I won so many trials matches and lost so many because of that 1 super

[hallow wasp]

you don't need to I play autorifles

[normal hazel]

I love how tcrash gets canned for quote "getting as many kills as a roaming super" but Silence and Squall gets ignored despite being just as capable

[sacred flax]

Won’t see it anymore thankfully

[sacred flax]

Silence isn’t really THAT good

Just the best 3s alternative

[normal hazel]

Neither is T crash

[sacred flax]

Prime T crash was insane

[normal hazel]

Yeah cause it was a handhold meta

[sacred flax]

You can wipe a full team with 1 T crash before even hitting the ground

[normal hazel]

Team rides each others d*cks nonstop, gets clapped by a shutdown super and blames the super

[vocal marten]

Lmao “handhold meta”

[sacred flax]

We never have not been in a hand hold meta ngl💀

[vocal marten]

Fr

[cedar crag]

Are they not supposed to? Isn't that the point of a team? Fight together. Overpower opposition.

[sacred flax]

If you want to win, have to team shot

[normal hazel]

Yeah and after the impulse nerf and hitbox adjustment it absolutely did not deserve the cooldown nerf

[sacred flax]

Cooldown was a harsh nerf but before that super was absurdly strong

Silence doesn’t even come close to it ngl

[hallow wasp]

just hit the midair shade finder melee on tcrash titan during flight

[normal hazel]

Now that you descend much faster and the radius is smaller and the hitbox is smaller, the cooldown nerf is excessive

[normal hazel]

It absolutely can if your team is full of sand brained morons

[sacred flax]

Silence is the best though on hunter for 3s atm

[normal hazel]

Especially because Silence makes entire sections of the map inaccessible

[sacred flax]

Yea I’m ngl, silence isnt supposed to be used to wipe out a team

[normal hazel]

That movement speed buff made it so annoying because now I can't strafe away from it :(

[sacred flax]

It’s supposed to be used as a free pick, picks win games

T crash and storms edge were literal team wipes

[normal hazel]

Buff tether

[sacred flax]

Silence is just you run in and pray you get a pick

[sacred flax]

No, void hunter is already OP

[normal hazel]

Void hunter is not op otherwise I'd see more of them

[sacred flax]

Tether also is pretty good to in 3s if used right

[sacred flax]

It’s OP, it’s one of the classes where you actually have to know how to use it to make it work

[normal hazel]

It's not bad but there's a few things that make me sad and would be inconsequential

[hallow wasp]

do not give more void hunter buffs it's already painful to deal with any void hunter ability

[sacred flax]

In high end pvp you’re gonna see a lot of pris hunter and void hunter

[normal hazel]

Game balance in my opinion

[hallow wasp]

smoke bomb doing damage removing radar slowing blinding and grounding you is hilarious on a basic ability

[normal hazel]

"OP if you're good" is perfectly fine

[sacred flax]

Invis alone makes void hunter broken but then you can get devour and Over shields

[normal hazel]

Yeah they needed to nerf the slow and the linger duration not how long the smoke bomb stuck to the ground

[sacred flax]

Ngl most of these nerfs should’ve only been applied for prismatic class only

[normal hazel]

Because, news flash bungo, literally no prismatic hunters were using smoke bomb as a decoy. They'd throw it at your face the instant you turned a corner

[sacred flax]

Like arc hunter has no good super now

[normal hazel]

Arc staff is solid enough

[sacred flax]

^ out ran

And that super is unusable in trials sadly

[normal hazel]

I mean now that trials is zone cap, getting the team to f off can be a valid use of a super

[sacred flax]

Gets hard countered

Silence counters it, twilight arsenal ect

[normal hazel]

Silence only counters it if you're dumb

[sacred flax]

Not really

[normal hazel]

You can still deflect the tornado

[cedar crag]

Why

[sacred flax]

Really?

[normal hazel]

Yep

Same with Twilight. Play a corner so they either miss or hit your deflecting staff

[sacred flax]

I mean it’s still a roaming super

[normal hazel]

Gathering storm needs a pvp buff tbh

[sacred flax]

Roamings besides from Dawn suck ngl

[normal hazel]

The amount of times I've been directly smacked by a gathering storm and not died is very funny

[sacred flax]

I’ve always died to that super Ngl

[normal hazel]

But yeah the two buffs I propose to tether are that while tether isn't triggered yet it doesn't have a red circle around it (so it's an actual like, trap) and the grab delay is smaller

Just so I can use it to bait people

[normal hazel]

It has falloff and garbage tracking so if you run when they cast the outer edge won't kill you

[sacred flax]

Most people I play against sadly just won’t whiff a super unless it’s storms edge

[normal hazel]

Gathering storm is pretty easy to whiff and/or bait

Or you can do the massive balls play of antaeus'ing the staff mid air

Which yes, you can do

It'll NEVER happen but if it does that person needs to uninstall the game

[sacred flax]

Gathering storm you have to pop it on someone

It will never whiff if you actually fly in on a team and pop it

[normal hazel]

Because hunters are known for never popping their supers either instantly or when they're about to lose a 1v1

The reason I'm so good at fighting supers is because I can actually like, duel, so in 6s I get 3-4 supers per game panic popped in my face

[cedar crag]

I thought that award went to warlocks

[normal hazel]

Nova bomb vs coughing baby

The only reason titans don't panic pop is because all their supers are too slow and they'll die

[cedar crag]

Yeah basically

[sacred flax]

Haven’t seen a panic pop in so long

[normal hazel]

My favorite thing is people underestimating how much damage fists of havoc deals and thinking "nah I'd win" then getting mashed into the pavement

[sacred flax]

Everyone can shoot back against me now all of a sudden because of pulses

[hallow wasp]

remove something from it entirely

[cedar crag]

If I see a man running straight at me, common sense dictates I should run the other direction. I do not get why people charge the titan in a super

[normal hazel]

FoH slams deal like 600 damage and apply 3 seconds of blind. You WILL lose if you try to super them or try and camp in your super to bait it out

[hallow wasp]

remove the damage and blinding or the slow and grounding

but right now there's no answer once you get one tick from it

[normal hazel]

Reduce the slow, remove the grounding and damage

The slow is too strong tbh, even I'm willing to admit that

It's like a 90% slow for no reason

[sacred flax]

Smokes rn are like not that bad

[normal hazel]

I want my decoy back

[sacred flax]

Really good but most melee abilities will win a fight

[normal hazel]

Smokes should deal full melee damage point blank like every other melee in the game does

Especially because the blind takes a split second between sticking and popping to activate which means you lose basically every time

[normal hazel]

Run as fast as you like, FoH is faster

Idk why the hunter roaming supers are so slow, every other class's roaming supers are faster than sprint speed or have range to make up for it

[sacred flax]

I try to snipe it or slug it

[normal hazel]

Imho spec blades should have like, a 20% sprint speed buff but only while invis that way spec blades can actually close distance

[hallow wasp]

the tier disparity between smoke bomb, warlock non aspect melees (aka not arc slide) and sht like thunderclap is gigantic

[normal hazel]

I feel like there isn't a definitively bad warlock melee except chain lightning

[hallow wasp]

yes if you get hit by most melees you should disengage but also way harder to disengage through slow ground blind

[sacred flax]

Voidlock melee is good, Solar lock melee is good, throwing knives

[hallow wasp]

void melee is coded so poorly that it sucks despite having the funniest clips to it's name

[sacred flax]

All melees besides titans just win fights

[hallow wasp]

that is hard cap

knockout is a melee ability btw

1 = 2 = 3 prismatic diamond lance build

[normal hazel]

It deals full melee point blank which means you can easily clean up with it

[sacred flax]

Has no range compared to voidlocks or solar locks

Throwing knives, smokes, threaded spikes ect all have way more range than knockout

[hallow wasp]

thunderclap range is as long as voidlock melee

[normal hazel]

Void lock is probably the most annoying subclass to fight against

[hallow wasp]

range is not everything

[sacred flax]

Mid gun fight that won’t really work tbh

[hallow wasp]

this is cap

[sacred flax]

In a 1 on 1 yes

[normal hazel]

Child of the Old Gods in question

[hallow wasp]

shoot it

[sacred flax]

1 on 1 voidlock is a top subclass because of the melee ability alone

[normal hazel]

And then you try to close distance only to get push melee shotgun slid around a corner

[sacred flax]

Then amazing nades

[hallow wasp]

why are you pushing a shotgunner on a corner

[normal hazel]

Voidlock is dummy strong, probably the second highest skill ceiling subclass

[hallow wasp]

I main voidlock

[normal hazel]

I'm not pushing them, they fire the melee around the corner then slide out

[sacred flax]

Yea that’s the tech

Literally is like almost a auto win

[hallow wasp]

that pushes you out of shotgun range

[normal hazel]

And also damages you to hell, flinches like mad, forces you airborne, and procs volatile

Trying to approach a voidlock or lane a voidlock is so annoying

[hallow wasp]

it's strong I don't deny that but not in the way you complained about

[normal hazel]

Literally the meta tactic for its use

[sacred flax]

Solar lock is better but 1 on 1 voidlock is better imo

[normal hazel]

Push someone around a corner and then slide shotgun them before they land

Honestly just nerf child of the old gods

[hallow wasp]

precharge your fusion

:^)

[normal hazel]

Like, so many things on warlock I take one look at and think "if this was on any other class it'd get gutted in a week"

[hallow wasp]

yeah because warlock sucks

[normal hazel]

And then miss all the bolts because you have to fight airborne effectiveness

Jumpshotting with a fusion is borderline impossible, don't act like that's a counter

[hallow wasp]

they're pushing shotgun range there's no way you miss this

[normal hazel]

With fusion AE? Try to jumpshot someone in shotgun range

[outer nova]

Do I have to hit guardian rank 11 again this season to not drop to 10 next season?

[sacred flax]

If you are in the air with a fusion you lose

Like instant lose

[normal hazel]

Fusions have like a 600% accuracy penalty in the air

[hallow wasp]

step 1: make child fly in an actual path that makes sense
step 2: let child be shootable in flight

[normal hazel]

It's genuinely insane how bad they are

[hallow wasp]

step 3: make the melee not be spaghetti code so it's reliable to use

[normal hazel]

Also have a small delay between it landing and dealing the first tick, and remove the slow effect it has

Because child slows you for some reason

[hallow wasp]

it already has a delay like that

[normal hazel]

Not enough of a delay

[hallow wasp]

it's a 10 damage per tick drain if it didn't slow you it'd not exist

it barely exists as it is and is still too strong

apparently xd

[normal hazel]

The slow isn't necessary because it's a zone denial debuff

Oh also it has a tendency to clip into walls and become invincible whilst still tagging you somehow

[hallow wasp]

it denies no zone if you can unhindered walk out and shoot it away while safe

it's already little more than a tiny nuisance but is still somehow voidlocks strongest abilit

[normal hazel]

Destiny players realizing having to leave a zone and shoot something to enter it again is zone denial

[hallow wasp]

you don't have to leave it

you can shoot it while standing still

so removing the slow means you don't need to do the designed counterplay to it

mind that it also only works if it has line of sight on you so it's designed to get shot down

[normal hazel]

Yeah but that's the annoying part, people run it with things like Elsie's or agg bursts so they tag you and put you at like 14 hp so you have to leave or you get evaporated almost immediately

[hallow wasp]

which is why I say leave as is but let it get shot during flight

[normal hazel]

The issue is how hard it clings to walls and corners, shooting it isn't always possible or easy

[hallow wasp]

that's why i said give it better flight path

better flight path and shootable in air done voidlock is now irrelevant again

[normal hazel]

That doesn't matter tbh because you can't shoot it if you had to duck into cover because you're losing a lane

[hallow wasp]

it does matter

[normal hazel]

Yes let me shoot the void soul mid air as if the voidlock currently staring me down in that lane isn't gonna blow my face off immediately

[hallow wasp]

if you go back around your corner and run a step or two you can then aim at where it's coming from and deny any stray ticks

[hallow wasp]

no one suggested this btw

[normal hazel]

Also just for me personally, if the person it's going after dies have it stop in mid air wherever it currently is

[hallow wasp]

I'm literally giving you the exact nerf that would make it no longer strong in the slightest

and I main the subclass

[normal hazel]

EXCEPT FOR CORIOLIS YEAHHH

[hallow wasp]

I'm shooting myself in the foot for you here

[hallow wasp]

DeWalt cordless drill cammycakes build moment

0 range stat cold front + coriolis

[normal hazel]

I guess if they improved the tracking your idea would work because right now if you round a corner it'll just clip into the wall and become untouchable whilst still ticking you

It's annoying how consistent it is

[hallow wasp]

I never get that

[normal hazel]

Well see my ping is garbage so it happens all the time

[hallow wasp]

I get way too frequently that it bumps the same wall twice and lands there

okay but that's a you problem then

[normal hazel]

I had a clip of the child clipped inside that lone box on jav 4

It could still damage you but it was fully embedded inside the box

The "line of sight" is also very garbage

[hallow wasp]

ofc

it's a warlock ability, they spend no time writing that code

[normal hazel]

Voidlock is just insanely annoying because of how well it can control the pace of a fight

[hallow wasp]

they've got hunters and titans to make broken again

[normal hazel]

I'll take a voidlock over lighting surge though. How have they still not nerfed lightning surge

[normal hazel]

If it makes you feel better I also think constructs on titan and hunter are incredibly obnoxious

Bleak watcher in pvp is definitely overtuned atm too, because it's like 20 seconds and 200 hp or something, making it almost as sturdy as a rally barricade