💬destiny-chat

[placid cloud]

yeee, i love bygones. i rock my tigerspite sometimes still tho

[viscid pivot]

Ive just been running Bygones and Telesto

[fervent gyro]

stop! dont talk to me!

[placid cloud]

also, it takes 3 chill clip sidearm shots to freeze, not 4

[flat nymph]

💔

[ember oriole]

i still have my og bygones

[placid cloud]

i think that's what i read a few minutes ago here

[ember oriole]

no need to farm gambit

[placid cloud]

i deleted my og one, but i basically have it back

but i don't have my 5/5 bygones yet, once gambit rolls double XP ill farm it

[fervent gyro]

losser, lameo, wanna be like oh totallyy

[dusty kestrel]

Chat, someone give an iron banner build for hunter so I don't have to suffer

[quaint hollow]

hand cannon

[dusty kestrel]

Thanks pookie

[quaint hollow]

👍

[urban compass]

wtf is up in this bisnatch

[placid cloud]

genchat rumble when

[urban compass]

id be down

[viscid pivot]

Last one standing gets a cookie

[placid cloud]

same, i'd love to spank you guys a few times

[rocky geyser]

Alloy magazine stacks with reload perks for faster reloads

[fickle bay]

quick Q, ran through full GOA on master as my first run yday; didn't unlock class item unfortunately. can i still just run master encounters and eventually get a class item to drop and eventually artifice class item?

[placid cloud]

yes, just keep farming ogre checkpoint

[quaint hollow]

yes grasp is farmable this week

[placid cloud]

only 3 things drop there so it's a high chance you'll get it

[quaint hollow]

if you dont get it just go back and try again

[fickle bay]

i see. then farm last encounter after unlocking it to get the artiface version?

[placid cloud]

also all armor drops on master, except bonus chest ones i believe will always be artifice

[fickle bay]

oh that's so chill then

[quaint hollow]

just farm ogre on master until u get class item

[fickle bay]

gotcha

[quaint hollow]

👍

[fervent veldt]

grasps loot drops is different

if he doesnt have the class item unlocked he needs to unlock it first in normal

[frigid hatch]

Ace should have Explosive Payload if they're gonna let the perk stay so strong in pvp

[placid cloud]

idk if that's true

[fervent veldt]

if he already did his full run on normal and doesnt have the class item unlocked, hes gonna have to wait next week to try again to unlock the class item

[fervent veldt]

it is

[placid cloud]

for sure for sure?

[fervent veldt]

idk why they made grasp this way

[fervent veldt]

yes

[fickle bay]

dang even though it's featured?

[frigid hatch]

no proof, he lying

[placid cloud]

cause i carried someone through grasp on normal before, idk if they got the class item, but i farmed it with them on master & they did

interesting

[placid cloud]

i trust his word vs yours, that's why i ask you for proof

[fervent veldt]

yeah, you wont be able to get the class item to drop on master if you dont have it unlocked

[placid cloud]

because i don't believe you

[frigid hatch]

nobody asked

[placid cloud]

you made the comment

[fervent veldt]

grasp is the only dungeon to do this

[fickle bay]

my first run was a full run on master lol and got gauntlets rip

[frigid hatch]

show me where i asked then write it down and shove it up your ass

[fervent veldt]

idk why its still like this

[frigid hatch]

loot table shenanigans

[placid cloud]

i didn't say you asked, i said you made the comment

[frigid hatch]

show me where i asked

[normal hazel]

Just checked, grasp only drops artifice if you have the normal armor

[placid cloud]

did i say you asked?

[fickle bay]

aigh so basically just do it once per week on normal and hope i get class item and wait for the next time it's featured then

[frigid hatch]

didn't ask, don't care

[normal hazel]

You can farm it now

[fervent veldt]

yes

[placid cloud]

me either

[frigid hatch]

L take, nobody asked for your opinion

[placid cloud]

you have the worst of opinions

[frigid hatch]

you would think since the "no chances more than x1 a week" only really applies to exotics

[frigid hatch]

your mother

[placid cloud]

gg

[normal hazel]

Just farm the class item now?

[fickle bay]

i'm confused i'm getting conflicting info lol

[placid cloud]

you can still farm it on normal

if it's the featured one

[fervent veldt]

you cant

even when its the featured dungeon you cant farm for the class item to drop

[placid cloud]

oh i see what you mean now chicken

[fervent veldt]

only for grasp

[placid cloud]

yeah that is annoying

[normal hazel]

I literally can't find any evidence aside from you saying this

[vapid ledge]

Hey

[fervent veldt]

im actually gonna go insane

[fickle bay]

lmao

[normal hazel]

Why can't you farm the class item? Does grasp not drop armor on repeated runs?

[edgy pivot]

whats the drop rate for the icebreaker

[normal hazel]

Cause if not there's zero reason you can't farm it, and nobody anywhere else says it can't be farmed

[placid cloud]

google ai says chicken is right

and i believe google ai 100%

[cedar crag]

Is Tinashas mastery worth playing iron banner or should I just stick with the call?

[nimble basin]

“My source is I made it the f up” type beat

[normal hazel]

What's the reason though?

[fickle bay]

nah i'm looking it up on reddit

[placid cloud]

no clue, lol

[fickle bay]

most mfs saying GOA is just dumb like that

[placid cloud]

"Unlocking is required:
To farm a specific armor piece from Grasp of Avarice, you must first unlock it by getting a drop of that piece at least once."

[normal hazel]

Like unless grasp specifically works differently then it's a bunch of misinfo

[placid cloud]

google ai is my source

[fervent veldt]

because it is

[quaint hollow]

chicken is the only one of you people i would ever believe blindly ngl

[normal hazel]

Oh we're well past that

[fickle bay]

so basically my only option is to just do it once a week and 5 weeks from now pray i got the class item on one of those runs

[normal hazel]

Farming the class item on normal should be fine

[vapid ledge]

Hi

[fervent veldt]

@fickle bay so youre saying you dont have the class item unlocked?

[fickle bay]

yes

i don't have it unlocked*

[fervent veldt]

okay go farm it on normal, prove me wrong

then come back here

[fickle bay]

nah f that noise

3 posts on reddit agreeing w u lol

[placid cloud]

i found a reddit thread proving chicken

but i can't post links

[fickle bay]

ye cooked

[placid cloud]

multiple people saying chicken is right

[fickle bay]

dum game

[placid cloud]

posted 6 months ago

[fickle bay]

just tryna make a build man

[placid cloud]

take it as you will

[fickle bay]

found one 3-4 months ago too

[normal hazel]

I eventually did, too, but I'm not gonna take "grasp is just like that" as valid proof. Unfortunately, grasp is apparently just like that

[coarse burrow]

Y'all didnt believe chicken smh

[quaint hollow]

womp womp

[safe dawn]

does reverberation on Tinasha's Mastery do anything

[placid cloud]

i'll accept it cause i can't prove it anyways, i have the class item

[placid cloud]

i did somewhat!

[frigid hatch]

nice pve roll, ooh

[inner sandal]

very nice

[normal hazel]

I mean when the average player tends to know absolutely nothing about how dungeon drops work (myself included) I find that searching for the answer directly is the best option

[placid cloud]

frost you're scum, q up IB so i go agaisnt you and crush your dreams of getting chill clip

[frigid hatch]

step on a lego

[quaint hollow]

yeah that arc primary ammo sidearm will tear pve up

go get em

[normal hazel]

Sidearms are decent in pve

[placid cloud]

jokes on you, i use to do that on purpose as a kid, i'm immune

[frigid hatch]

fall in the toilet and get mental scars from poseidons kiss

[placid cloud]

your dweeb level has gone up +2

[quaint hollow]

vs
frost vs coburn

[frigid hatch]

look at this unskibidi bozo, using dweeb in 2024

[inner sandal]

[placid cloud]

🌽 🔴

[tired oriole]

2000s version of walking on hot coals

[placid cloud]

i'lltake pika

[urban compass]

ur all dweebos

[tired oriole]

no

[frigid hatch]

brother is the type of mental deficiency to touch a hot stove at 30+ years old

[inner sandal]

🐡

[fervent veldt]

I...AM STEVE

[quaint hollow]

you’re both arguing on the internet
get over yourselves

[placid cloud]

🦗 🦗

[tired oriole]

i think this happened to u

[frigid hatch]

get over not having godslayer, im clearly better than you

[normal hazel]

People in this chat talking trash like they're not ALSO in this chat

[placid cloud]

LOL

[urban compass]

this

[frigid hatch]

real

[tired oriole]

im not in this chat

[normal hazel]

We're all lame get over yourselves

[quaint hollow]

—

[frigid hatch]

your mother :))))

[cedar crag]

Is it normal to not get any iron banner drops in like 5 games?

[quaint hollow]

—

[cedar crag]

No engram no weapons, just regular crucible stuff

[normal hazel]

Yes

[cedar crag]

Why

[inner sandal]

[normal hazel]

Iron Banner and Gambit have horrid drop rates

[cedar crag]

Ah

[normal hazel]

As if farming them isn't miserable enough on its own

[placid cloud]

yep, still poppin on the kids in IB today

[cedar crag]

Iron banner isn't that bad somehow

It's better than regular crucible

The lag is an issue though.

[tired oriole]

A personal issue

[normal hazel]

Iron banner is better than crucible this season particularly but that's because crucible is absolutely miserable

Spawn camping has gotten significantly worse than before, and it's easy to get trapped to the point of helplessness in spawn/die loops

[hot musk]

guys one question, i havent played destiny 2 for a long time and im having a hard time getting my level up. is there a chanel where i find people to help me get better loot and stuff?

[urban compass]

no stfu

[placid verge]

what are u looking to get?

[quaint hollow]

the people finally gave a good take

[hot musk]

just loot so i can do my normal activites so i can play vanguard like normal with the recommended power

[placid cloud]

best raid in the game rn imo

[placid verge]

btw just come back after a break if im gonna get chior of one can i jusut joiun smn doing the mission and get it or do i need to get the quest

[quaint hollow]

do you want your power level up and not specific loot? or are you after current meta weapons?

[hot musk]

power level up is what i mean

[urban compass]

just play the game silly

[placid verge]

all ur stuff should be bumped up to power

[quaint hollow]

do things marked with powerful or pinnacle rewards

[hot musk]

most of them are high power level tho

[quaint hollow]

playlists activities, vendor challenges, weekly raid/dungeons

[hot musk]

i can only do pathfinders

[quaint hollow]

you will be pulled up to fireteam power level

[tired oriole]

i think bungie should give me 300 dollars

[quaint hollow]

you can go in a bit under light to most activities

[hot musk]

ohhh

[quaint hollow]

start with vanguard / crucible objectives if you’re worried about power lvl that much

[hot musk]

okay

[quaint hollow]

then seasonal / vendor stuff

[hot musk]

thx dude W help

[quaint hollow]

then raid / dungeons

[fervent veldt]

pluh

[tired oriole]

gluh

[quaint hollow]

👍 🫵 🐐

[valid violet]

ngl bungie should add a 0.2 second delay to shooting shotguns

for the FIRST time in 5 seconds

=> PvE basically unaffected, PvP completly obliterated

[tired oriole]

or get good

[quaint hollow]

destiny chatter be useful challenge

[valid violet]

yeah sure ill just put my hands up so they can't come from behind the corner and 1tap me with no delay, aim or risk

[tired oriole]

Dont push a corner blindly

[valid violet]

maybe risk of getting 1tapped by another shotgun user, which is just fighting fire with fire. So why not put out all fires instead

[frigid hatch]

skill issue, that's literally the point of a shotgun

[valid violet]

then ill sit 200 galaxies away with a 2burst, never seeing the face of another player (or a woman) ever again

[tired oriole]

If thats what you take from what i said then yeah

[normal hazel]

I do think shotguns need some tuning under the hood, maybe tone down the level of ammo availability with shotguns

[frigid hatch]

you spawn in with 1 shot

[normal hazel]

Also damaging someone with a special weapon or ability should make them unable to drop special

[frigid hatch]

tf you mean ammo availability?

[cedar crag]

1/4 shot

[frigid hatch]

😂

[urban compass]

F that just tell people to stfu

[normal hazel]

I think it's a little dumb that I can tag someone with a fusion, nearly kill them, swap to a HC and get my specia back

[frigid hatch]

cry babies when i slap them with

[cedar crag]

is tusk of the boar useable these days

[frigid hatch]

in pve? yes

[cedar crag]

yay, my forbearance gets to rest

[normal hazel]

Have ammo drop less freqently, and reduce how long it stays on the ground to 10 seconds down from 25

[cedar crag]

or maybe I go triple wave frame

[frigid hatch]

Boar gets Chain Reaction and some usable utility perks yeah

iirc it can get Implosion too which is also good

[normal hazel]

Slice/chain my beloved. On hunter it's lovely with whirling malestrom

[normal hazel]

Isn't implosion bad now though?

[quaint hollow]

learn how to play against a shotty bro what 😭

[tired oriole]

no i will be angry instesd of think critically

[normal hazel]

Blast radius affects wave frames now so implosion is making your wave frame have less coverage

[frigid hatch]

no? it's a +15% damage buff

[cedar crag]

who needs chain reaction, I will use hatchling, the way god intended

[normal hazel]

whar??? Really?

[summer hill]

yo whats goods

[fading totem]

hi fox

[frigid hatch]

Spike Grenades are 5% per direct hit, Implosion is +15% blast damage, yes, thats why they never give us GL's with Implosion

[normal hazel]

I mean honestly its's hard to argue that shotguns aren't a bit overtuned right now when they're like 70% of pvp special ammo kills

[inner sandal]

not on a wave frame lol

[blissful scaffold]

should i implosion the rocket sidearm ?

[inner sandal]

you want as much blast radius as you can get on a wave frame

[quaint hollow]

implosion on sidearm is a throw lmao

[frigid hatch]

yes, more mag size is a nothing burger

[quaint hollow]

actual brainlet advice

[cedar crag]

played 6 hours, saw 3 fusions, 1 sniper and like 40 shotguns

[tired oriole]

hiiii

[cedar crag]

seems fine to me

[fervent veldt]

new meta 🤯☠️😱😱

[blissful scaffold]

frost says yes there

[quaint hollow]

frost is bad at the game

[valid violet]

NO BRO! Wtf is this? The match is bs if im topscoring

[normal hazel]

The amount of people trying to cope icebreaker into pvp is insane

If you want to use icebreaker in pvp, use cloudstrike and learn to aim

[cedar crag]

saw it the first day the dungeon came out then it disappeared

[valid violet]

yeah ice breaker might be decent for stuff like hunger or whatever its called in GMs

[somber snow]

hasnt that always been the case tho

[valid violet]

when special ammo is a commodity

[normal hazel]

Okay,just checked. Implosion gives no damage buff to wave frames

[quaint hollow]

blast radius effects wave frames differently

[valid violet]

70% is a bit low, go to like 75% at the very least

i'd say right now, sniper kills are arount 10% of special kills

[tired oriole]

ha ha

[normal hazel]

Surprisingly not, until the ammo changes we got other special weapons (esp fusions) were closer

[valid violet]

and i think rocket sidearm kills are like 1% or lower

[normal hazel]

Rocket sidearms should two tap in pvp

[valid violet]

fusions would be around 5%

[normal hazel]

Nah you know what? Mountaintop should one tap in pvp.

[inner sandal]

forerunner meta when

[somber snow]

wow big surprise

[valid violet]

i don't agree with this however, they should get better rate of fire by like 10~15%

[quaint hollow]

fusions are used 2x as much as sniper

[valid violet]

they fire SO SLOWLY that they were dead on arrival in pvp

[normal hazel]

There's not a single reason mountaintop shouldn't 1 tap in pvp

[somber snow]

almost like implosion buffs impact damage and with wave frames you dont do any impact damage

[normal hazel]

Yeah I was like "there's no way that's true" and sure enough

[valid violet]

watch this impact damage as i smack you over the head with it

[somber snow]

yes there is, the reason is because when it did it was too op and oppressive to the point that it caused sunsetting

[cedar crag]

is there a reason to use rocket sidearms in pvp

[quaint hollow]

no

[valid violet]

yeah mountaintop is almost a sniper

[normal hazel]

Okay but back then you could get 3 ammo from one brick in pvp. Look me in the face and tell me you think mountaintop would be op with ammo this scarce

[valid violet]

actually, yeah thats a solid argument

[normal hazel]

Also they nerfed its projectile speed by a large chunk since then, too

If mountaintop is as strong as you claim, why wasn't it used in pvp AT ALL in years?

[plain jacinth]

"doki doki" armor?....

[normal hazel]

Even in 6s where sunsetting doesn't matter

[plain jacinth]

day ruined

[normal hazel]

Mountaintop requires more skill than shotguns and fusions, and has less effective range than a sniper

[lucid moss]

Dunno what the context is but GLs are objectively the best specials at theoretical flawless levels of play, it just doesn't matter bc no one is good enough with them

[normal hazel]

It should one tap

[plain jacinth]

hahahaha

[normal hazel]

They're so hard to use that they're bottom 3 special weapon types in pvp

[north nexus]

Any good glimmer farms?

[normal hazel]

Public events

[lucid moss]

unironically public events

[summer hill]

yo whats goods

[north nexus]

Ugh

[cedar crag]

its very cute on titan

[north nexus]

Which ghost mod? Glimmer or public defender

[normal hazel]

Glimmer

[normal hazel]

Why not?

[lucid moss]

Because it could be a one shot behind walls if you use it right and move right

GLs HAVE to be awful, they are one ease of use buff away from breaking PVP

[normal hazel]

Mountaintop???? It doesn't bounce my guy?

[lucid moss]

Doesn't matter, shoot at a corner, back away. Predict a peak and its a kill

[cedar crag]

what about alethonym

[sand shadow]

What about Thorn

[cedar crag]

why mountaintop?

[lucid moss]

Alethonym is worse fighting lion in every way

for pvp at least

[normal hazel]

As opposed to telesto or Jotunn?

[bright sparrow]

My definitely wasn’t nerfed because it 1 shot

[cedar crag]

telesto is fine now

[bright sparrow]

Mushbrain

[lucid moss]

Telesto is predictable, jotunn has charge time that can be reacted to

[cedar crag]

i want to use mechabre so much but i am so bad and there is so much flinch

[bright sparrow]

Lock in

[cedar crag]

cant, eyes hurt

[inner sandal]

revoker?

[normal hazel]

Not if you precharge and predict, same as mountaintop

[lucid moss]

Keep trying. Take a break today, try again tomorrow. Keep it equipped, keep trying.
Improvements are hard and long term. Good luck guardian!

[normal hazel]

Mountaintop requires a direct body shot to 1tap

So then what's the difference between it and predicting with a fusion? Or sniper? Or regular GL?

[lucid moss]

The more time it takes to charge, the more reaction time there is

[lucid moss]

Range, and line of sight. You shoot and move away

[normal hazel]

This is false, I can predict when you swing and kill you less than a tenth of a second after you peek

[lucid moss]

jotunn and telesto have an argument to be made in favor of being OP in perfect play as well but like, they're worse GLs there and in the real world they're reactable

Don't get me wrong, trickle-down balancing is omega based, but that ain't it chief

[plain jacinth]

imagine dedicating all this energy to talk about d2 pvp balance

it's a clownshow and it always will be, just treat it as such

[quaint hollow]

im just here to answer questions and make fun of people

[lucid moss]

yeah the game has snipers as well as one shot GLs and as such is fundamentally unbalanced the better players get

[inner sandal]

the mario kart of fps

[lucid moss]

Just enjoy the chaos and use what you find fun

[plain jacinth]

i cant snipe in this game for the life of me

[sand shadow]

This is all destiny chat is for post Final Shape

[plain jacinth]

i may as well be trying to "snipe" someone irl

[cedar crag]

Thank you strange purple creature

[normal hazel]

I don't find any reason why mountaintop would be considered "too strong"

[plain jacinth]

you weren't here for the broken era then

[normal hazel]

Like all the reasons you've given me amount to "if you're good with it it'll be annoying" but that's true of all special weapons

[lucid moss]

Me too lmao. Though balance is best done trickle-down, and that means firts balancing for aimbot and inhuman gamesense vs aimbot and inhuman gamesense. Snipers are OP there

[normal hazel]

It's been nerfed MULTIPLE times and in MULTIPLE ways since then

Even if it could one tap, it's a shadow of its former self

[sand shadow]

trickle down

[cedar crag]

Like pee

[plain jacinth]

[lucid moss]

TRUE!!

[quaint hollow]

i think bungie should perfectly balance the sandbox in the next 24 hours and never have any balance issues ever again

[lucid moss]

My favorite balancing, pee-based balancing. If I can pee on it then it should be buffed

[quaint hollow]

isnt that so easy and based guys

[lucid moss]

True?!?!

[cedar crag]

I think they should put funny modifiers into crucible like oscillation

[plain jacinth]

got a empathetic/chillclip liturgy, is that good?

[cedar crag]

What in God's name is sympathetic

[normal hazel]

Use mountaintop in momentum in a private lobby and you'll see what I mean. Even in a place where it does one tap and special ammo is more available it's not broken strong unless you're highly skilled with it

[quaint hollow]

the one in the pass is better

[plain jacinth]

oops

empathetic arsenal not sympathetic

[quaint hollow]

slideways blinding chill at 131

[cedar crag]

No idea what that is

[quaint hollow]

just use that

[ember oriole]

impulse and chill clip aint bad

[cedar crag]

If it's not slideshot it goes into the bin

Or sideways, whatever

[plain jacinth]

omg impulse

i love impulse fk this roll i got then

[normal hazel]

So true bestie

[lucid moss]

I love this new model of RNG. You get a great roll guaranteed for grinding, you get showered in RNG rolls, and bungo makes sure to have a bunch of alternative drop sources for the same stuff (see: envious bait GLs)

[normal hazel]

It's why I don't farm trials basically ever. We'll get something close sooner or later

See: Messenger vs Psi Hermetic

[plain jacinth]

crux termination iv has to be one of the best rockets they've made in a while

love seeing all the rolls it can get

[normal hazel]

Someone made fun of me for having a level 79 crux but like. It's a super good rocket, why wouldn't I use it a ton?

[lucid moss]

It's not the best, that would go to tomorrow's answer, but it's very unique and fun. I like it as a world drop weapon, every drop is fun and exciting, but if you want better, you need to go for a more specialized weapon

[lucid moss]

Yeah, it has uses. I like it.

[normal hazel]

Tomorrow's Answer is a different frame with worse damage, so it depends

[lucid moss]

It does more DPS than anything short of surrounded. Rockets are made for DPS not total damage, too

By the way do you guys vibe more with an adagio crimil's or a kill clip something new?

[normal hazel]

Adagio is a 0/10 perk on a 120 since iirc it no longer two taps

[lucid moss]

it... still does?

especially after the buffs, up to 10 resil and 10% DR

[normal hazel]

Oh yeah they just buffed 120s

[lucid moss]

yerp

[normal hazel]

Before the buff this act, adagio did 108 damage, which doesn't two tap any resil level

Making it utterly garbage

[placid cloud]

i want all HC's to 4 tap base. i hate them

get em outta hereee

[lucid moss]

HCs are a meta equalizer. the instant that they're not viable, the meta dies to pulses and scouts

[placid cloud]

i love pulses so i dont mind that

[hard abyss]

is icebreaker farmable or once per week per character?

[lucid moss]

You may not like them, but they take the blame so that one type of weapon is overpowered instead of three different ones being OP in their own way

[quaint hollow]

one per character

[lucid moss]

I assume once a week per chat

[hard abyss]

dam

[placid cloud]

do any defiant battlegrounds have scorn

psi-ops?

i can't recall

[lucid moss]

YEah

[normal hazel]

The buff to 120s was dumb though

It's like the buff to heavy burst pulses. That buff was completely unnecessary

[frigid hatch]

i should prolly just farm GOA for that Eyeasluna

[urban compass]

Cant wait for marathon

[normal hazel]

Bungie going to announce a shotgun buff next act in pvp

They seem absolutely hellbent on buffing the overperforming options and leaving the bad options in the dust

[frigid hatch]

homie doesn't know how to not get shotgunned

[urban compass]

Bright Dust 😏

[cedar crag]

Why are shotguns so useless at any range other than point blank

[lost island]

That is kind of their thing

[normal hazel]

I find shotguns annoying but not necessarily bullsh*t

[placid cloud]

shotguns are annoying, but fusions are worse

[cedar crag]

I expect some range though.

[normal hazel]

They're just a tad overturned right now in pvp

[molten condor]

[normal hazel]

It depends, the most op shotguns are more annoying than the most op fusions

[cedar crag]

[placid cloud]

i disagree, i find that fusions "snipe" much better

[lost island]

use a pinpoint >:)

[placid cloud]

pre-charging isn't hard either

[quaint hollow]

slugs are unironically the best shotguns for pvp rn

[lost island]

fusions are lowkey godlike

[placid cloud]

i like slugs, i feel like sluggies take a bit of skill so to say

[quaint hollow]

you were very much spitting with the slug thing

[placid cloud]

all other shotguns are just hurr durr shotgun

sluggie you gotta hit the head

[normal hazel]

Yeah but they're more reactable

[light arrow]

Duality

[lost island]

tbh, snipers, shotties, fusions are in a good spot rn

[normal hazel]

Like that's not even a meme, fusions have an actual ttk meaning if you're expecting a fusion you can reasonably bait it and not die instantly, which is much harder for shotguns

[placid cloud]

either way, bring back special ammo meter & don't spawn with special, & keep special boxes on the map, but not at the getgo, or get rid of them, idc

[fervent mantle]

Haven’t been playing since before TFD, what is a gg heavy grenade launcher I should seek out

[lost island]

shotguns = instant, less range by a lot tho

[lost island]

you are in luck, go do vesper's at least once, then go buy the free godroll from Banshee

[normal hazel]

For fusions, SGs, and Snipers you don't spawn with special but for traces, sidearms, gls, and others you do. Sound fair?

[lost island]

VS Chill Inhibitor is the GL you want

[normal hazel]

Less range by a fair bit yeah but you can always shotgun melee or shotgun hotswap to make up some range

[placid cloud]

potentially, but no, cause then it's just gonna be more of the H1 pistol

can't think of the name rn

[fervent mantle]

Anything non new content available, I haven’t pulled the trigger on buying any TFD stuff because I’ll get too roped in to “having to play to get my value” haha

[normal hazel]

Forerunner can be an exception

[lost island]

Not really, if they are playing the correct range. Shotguns own the corner, Fusions own the space further from that by a chunk

[quaint hollow]

wicked sister from vanguard activities gets the same roll as dungeon GL

envious arsenal bait and switch

[fervent mantle]

Sweet, thank you

[normal hazel]

I'm banking on closing time getting the shaft so I'm cutting fusion range by a smidge

There's zero chance closing time isn't getting nerfed

[lost island]

Basically, play in your range. Don't try to snipe a pulse with a 140 out of your range etc. Don't hold a corner with a fusion too close against a shotgun etc

[plain jacinth]

i regret buying the dungeon pass

mostly cuz i hate convoluted dungeons

[urban compass]

is it convoluted though 🤔

[normal hazel]

I mean an issue I do have is that WAY too many corners don't allow wide slides to pass SG lethal range

I think map design moving forward should make doorways wide enough to wide slide challenge a shotgun

[urban compass]

user error

[molten condor]

what dungeon is convoluted😭

[lost island]

Yeah, I will say that a lot of D2 pvp maps are not too great imo

[normal hazel]

Citadel 🤮

[placid cloud]

the best D2 maps are the D1 maps anyways lol

[urban compass]

level design isnt easy

[placid cloud]

which im fine with

i just want more symmetrical maps

[normal hazel]

Oh for sure but maybe don't make every doorway on every map 8 or less meters so a shotgun camper is borderline impossible to approach

[placid cloud]

perfect angles

[lost island]

Another thing you should think about more is to try to use abilities that check SG corner holders

freeze etc

[placid cloud]

no bs stuff in my way like a boulder, or some trees

[normal hazel]

So what I'm hearing is fighting lion

[placid cloud]

just clean flat surfaces

[frigid hatch]

literally any special gun can one-tap (except Traces) so uh....

[normal hazel]

Cirris Plaza beloved

[placid cloud]

sorta, but better

[cunning eagle]

anyone elses weapons seem to be pulling the same rolls over and over

[placid cloud]

i wish forge was a thing in destiny, and the community could just make pvp maps

[cunning eagle]

ive had subsistance rampage on chroma 4 times in a row

[normal hazel]

Blatantly false though

[placid cloud]

and gambit maps for that matter

[normal hazel]

There's not too many abilities that can do this, though, because even if you damage them they can sit still cause they oko you and you're at disadvantage

[plain jacinth]

GOTD and everything past that

[frigid hatch]

snipers can one-shot, shotguns can oneshot, Fusions can one tap (technically), Jotunn can one-shot

[molten condor]

how r they remotely convoluted

[frigid hatch]

i can keep going just for you

[lost island]

It is important to know which ones do counter them, and to swap to them as you load in

[plain jacinth]

Stressful

[lost island]

Counter-play is big in comp/trials etc

[molten condor]

get real

[frigid hatch]

throw a Duskfield, for example, it does wonders

[normal hazel]

I just feel like counterplaying shotguns is a lot more effort than most other weapons (bar fusions and snipers)

Snipers are easy to counter with Rev Zero (my beloved) because sniper mains love the ego peak

[plain jacinth]

That's because shotguns are an afterthought of halo

[frigid hatch]

you just.... dont run around a corner blindly....

[plain jacinth]

Except halo didn't have sliding

[normal hazel]

Okay, but then how do I push past a shotgun that I know is there but need to get by?

[placid cloud]

remove radar from trials/comp

[frigid hatch]

go somewhere else

[quaint hollow]

you take the fight at range or an off angle and dont push the death stick

[normal hazel]

Like the problem isn't that I get killed by them, the problem is that countering them is a lot of effort

[frigid hatch]

2 second rule

[normal hazel]

What if they hold an angle at a point or some such and I have to get by?

[frigid hatch]

if you're in the same spot for 2 seconds you're playing wrong

[lost island]

FPS counter-play is real in every game. I get why you don't like it, but it is kinda how games are. Even fighting games are very matchup reliant.

[quaint hollow]

FIND AN OFF ANGLE ‼️‼️‼️‼️

[frigid hatch]

mfw i get a JP when im playing Marissa

[normal hazel]

It's too easy to hold points with shotguns is what I'm saying because hard countering corner shotguns is not easy at all

[normal hazel]

Okay, then they corner camp that angle what next

[lost island]

We should play some SF6 sometime. What rank are you?

[quaint hollow]

dont walk into the corner forehead

[frigid hatch]

no rank, i just play to goof off so im bad

[normal hazel]

It's amazing how you're refusing to process anything I'm saying

[frigid hatch]

i can consider reinstalling again though since all my usual MMO's are boooooring atm

[normal hazel]

Oh I really don't mind it but counterplay against shotguns is deeply unrewarding

[frigid hatch]

im just a casual Marissa / Ryu player lmao

[normal hazel]

It feels like a corner camping shotgun holding obj has all the cards

Even if I don't push them, my options are very limited with getting past them

[sweet lark]

erm guys this is destiny chat, not sf6 chat

[quaint hollow]

the sludge factory pumps out sludge daily

[normal hazel]

But there's also the fundamental of being unable to push for the majority of a match is intensely boring, so I find replying to everything with "don't push lol" as both bad faith and very dull

[lost island]

Much like if a guy is goated at sniping means the lane is effectively closed, a shotgun on a corner is going to feel similar

[quaint hollow]

.8’s vs a player who literally isnt moving who wins?

[normal hazel]

Not to start this argument but sniping does require more skill than SG camping. It doesn't require a LOT mind you but it requires actual investment in learning to snipe

Oh, and also Citan's and Rally can hard counter snipers in lane

[sweet lark]

hey man that's not very nice to make fun of someone's skill level, we all start somewhere so let's be nice to one another!!!

[lost island]

Both are skills, though debatable on what takes more is really a side-point. The facts are what is the situation in game and what is the answer.

[deep dune]

No, I HATE all other destiny players

[normal hazel]

They don't even know my skill level they're just making assumptions

[quaint hollow]

my bad gangy

:3

[normal hazel]

Even if we disregard skills, snipers have more counterplay than shotguns, especially if you can force them out of a lane first

[sweet lark]

it costs nothing to be nice

[frigid hatch]

if you KNOW someone is camping to bait you into a shotgun why are you considering going through there anyways?

just go around or just back off

[deep dune]

But my HATRED

[normal hazel]

Peeking snipers always have disadvantage, and you can use dodge, jump, slide, and other movement to push past a sniper held lane

[frigid hatch]

congrats you've immediately countered them

[normal hazel]

Okay, someone in comp is holding obj. I lose the round if I don't get past them. I shift to push somewhere else and they move to that corner to camp instead. What now?

[frigid hatch]

if they moved how are they still holding the obj?

the act of forcing them to reposition has countered them

[normal hazel]

Because objs have more than one entrance so they can just. Move to the entrance closest to you without leaving the obj

[sweet lark]

[SA]

[safe tusk]

Alright chat who wants to see my d2 improvement plan

[lost island]

Team to push multiple angles. Grenades/ other damaging weapons/skills that do not require line of sight are what you use to pressure them

[quaint hollow]

everyone knows engagements can only happen in shotgun range

[safe tusk]

Its half finished

[lucid moss]

I just got hit by four shutdown supers at the same time, AMA

[sweet lark]

yes please jj, this is why I love you jj

[frigid hatch]

been there before LMAO

[normal hazel]

Grenades can work but the issue is that if it's not a one shot it's almost a waste cause they'll for sure one shot me the instant I step out

[deep dune]

Thine mother

[frigid hatch]

enemy team panic super'd because i was such a huge threat that game

[normal hazel]

Read the conversation before commenting please

[frigid hatch]

consider Duskfield Grenade

[quaint hollow]

no i dont think i will

[deep dune]

What's your favorite color?

[lucid moss]

Honestly iron banner becomes way more bearable once you enjoy the crapshow and run meme builds. Doesn't fix the five stacks playing Trials of the Nine but oh well

[lucid moss]

Purple

[normal hazel]

Okay but that requires me to run stasis, on warlock stasis isn't that good

[quaint hollow]

whole lotta 0-3 trials teammate yap rn

[frigid hatch]

consider Pulse grenade

[deep dune]

What's your least favorite color?

[frigid hatch]

consider Vortex Grenade

consider Storm Grenade

[normal hazel]

This can work but it depends on the doorway

[normal hazel]

This one sucks at countering SGs

[frigid hatch]

now you're just making excuses bud, im giving you perfectly valid options to tag someone around corners without LOS to force them to get the hell out

[lost island]

Yeah, if solo, it is better to use freeze. But with teams, just coordinate 2 nades etc. Or the arc warlock melee slide thing that is still goated

[lucid moss]

You know, I've actually never considered that. I feel like blue or brown would be a good pick.

[normal hazel]

You use storms to kill snipers, not SGs

[lost island]

etc

[normal hazel]

God I hate lightning surge so much

[coarse burrow]

blue???

[frigid hatch]

Hunter Surge? zero damage

Warlock Surge? one shots an entire team

[lucid moss]

Some shades of blue are truly awful

[frigid hatch]

balanced gameplay

[placid cloud]

red is the best color

[normal hazel]

I mean this is false, tempest strike and lightning surge deal the same damage

[placid cloud]

and the easiest color to see on the spectrum i believe

[lucid moss]

• person running superblack new age black armory crucible vermillion on everything

[frigid hatch]

sorry did you want shotgun skill issue advice or did you just wanna argue?

[normal hazel]

It's just that one is an instant aoe that's also massive and the other is a kinda trash upwards wave

[placid cloud]

i use carminica :3

[normal hazel]

I mean if you'd stop being wrong then I could do neither

[lucid moss]

Carminica is pretty sweet on some weapons, I don't like how shiny the reds look tho, I like more plain, matte shaders

[sweet lark]

this discord shi gets serious

[spiral fulcrum]

took 8 month break from destiny what the hell happend to this server

[quaint hollow]

arguing about skill issues has never been more treacherous

[safe tusk]

Ok dm me

[quaint hollow]

😭

[sweet lark]

no I'm not getting in your dms 😭😭

[frigid hatch]

player stopped trying to help you for a reason and he's better than i am

[safe tusk]

Ok

[frigid hatch]

consider that

[normal hazel]

It's not even a skill issue y'all just see "shotguns are annoying to counter" and presume I'm dying to them nonstop

[safe tusk]

Skill issue ur bad

[frigid hatch]

skill issue ur bad

[safe tusk]

Jk this game is not a pvp game

[quaint hollow]

skill issue

🥱

[hallow wasp]

you sound like you are

[safe tusk]

Its a pve game with a decent balanced pvp

[sweet lark]

yall should pray for the .8 to realize he's having a skill issue rn 🙏🙏

[quaint hollow]

nobody cares that the guy on A flag one pumped u lil bro

[normal hazel]

I just think that corner camp shotguns are particularly annoying to get past or deal with

[hallow wasp]

then do something about them

[frigid hatch]

i mean damn dude my KD lifetime is low because im too aggressive and bad at decision making but my gameplay itself is fine otherwise

[normal hazel]

Their map design really doesn't help matters either with conveniently placed doorways just wide enough to get one shot no matter where you slide

[frigid hatch]

the fact i can see my own weakness though is all i need to get better

Sera over here asking for counters to shotguns and denies literally everything

[hallow wasp]

so now it's the maps fault that you can't win against shotguns?

[quaint hollow]

it is the map and sandbox’s fault you are doing nothing wrong dont worry ur little head

[sweet lark]

I'm not talking aboht your ass bruh 😭😭 get back to the yapping session with that other guy

[normal hazel]

That's my complaint though, that the range of counters is limited and situational

[frigid hatch]

----> the point
you

[hallow wasp]

sorry zealots reward 20 meter one burst is not a limited range counter that is just cap

[frigid hatch]

i mean if you're on a short ranged build and someones sniping a lane what do you do?

[normal hazel]

No? But it's a consistent trend that doors are exactly shotgun range sized for some reason

[safe tusk]

Someone give me attention to this google doc i made please thankyou

[quaint hollow]

it is the map and sandbox’s fault you are doing nothing wrong dont worry ur little head

[hallow wasp]

that's what a door always is

[frigid hatch]

shotguns are for ambushing somebody

[placid cloud]

give me door dash credits and i will

[hallow wasp]

it's a door, not an open space

[sweet delta]

You go to the bungie forums and complain about snipers being too op

[normal hazel]

How does that help a corner camp shotgun though?

[coarse burrow]

every map should be a pulse rifle map!!

[frigid hatch]

LMAO

[quaint hollow]

you should never even be able to get within 20m of another player 🤬

[frigid hatch]

WHY DOESNT EVERY MAP FAVOR ACE OF SPADES BUNGIE!!!???!11!?

[hallow wasp]

you space so the shotgun doesn't oneshot while you precharge and turn the corner

[coarse burrow]

you outrange them?

[normal hazel]

Yeah but it makes pushing past shotguns irritating

[quaint hollow]

they wont listen

[frigid hatch]

thats your problem

[normal hazel]

You can't space so you don't get one shot, though, a lot of their maps prevent that

[coarse burrow]

lobby full of jade rabbits

[coarse burrow]

im seeing that now

[safe tusk]

Erm

[lucid moss]

Anyone else has been running slugs this IB to counter the shotgun running? been going great for me

[placid cloud]

gotta pay to play, baby

[sweet lark]

woopsies

[hallow wasp]

no, you can't, I can do it just fine

[coarse burrow]

i am

[lucid moss]

Heritage <3

[coarse burrow]

im running gunnora

[normal hazel]

Like, how? If they're camping a doorway you can't outrange them. You gotta force them out of the corner, but that's oftentimes difficult or ineffective

[wanton halo]

HI NAOMI

[coarse burrow]

hiii sketch

[quaint hollow]

cries in skill issue

[normal hazel]

7 meter doorway with someone camped next to it. How do you outrange that?

[placid cloud]

that's what i run, friend!

moving target/opening shot!

[coarse burrow]

i think theyve tried explaining to you already so idk how worth my opinion is

[hallow wasp]

by spacing properly and prefiring my fusion like I'm supposed to

[placid cloud]

tbh, IB origin is legit

[quaint hollow]

DONT GO THRU THE DAMN DOOR BRUH HOLY GET IT THRU UR HEAD

[normal hazel]

You can't space properly, though, because their one shot range covers the whole door

And like, nearly every map does that

[sweet delta]

PvP players will on god complain about anything that counters their shotgun handcannon crutch they’ve had since forsaken

[lucid moss]

I got a FTTC opening shot Inquisitor that hits 90 handling and 90 range before OS. I can't get it to work for me :c
I think I procced FTTC once (1 time)

[frigid hatch]

Player is camping a doors corner to bait someone into their shotgun. What do you do?
A: Go away. Or B: Take the bait.

[sweet lark]

Sera is a certified rage baiter

[frigid hatch]

actual imbecile behavior

[normal hazel]

I mean they just repeat the same thing over and over without actually listening to what I'm saying

[frigid hatch]

i literally just said what you're saying

[quaint hollow]

are all your classes in the same room?

[normal hazel]

Classes? I graduated

[frigid hatch]

bro did not get the joke LMAO

[normal hazel]

Where?

[normal hazel]

That's not my point and is in fact specifically the bad faith argument I said is missing the point

[wanton halo]

take the bait duh what am i a coward? (i have never gone flawless in my life)

[frigid hatch]

yes

[quaint hollow]

dont let them win like that
push the doorway

[sweet lark]

what's the best way to level up rahool?

[quaint hollow]

spam open exotics

[frigid hatch]

im a chad, i take the bait and beat them

[placid cloud]

i'll beat you

[frigid hatch]

my favorite way to gimp shotgun users is run at them in a straight line

[normal hazel]

"Shotguns should be easier to force out of corners"
"Don't push lol you suck"
Like, what?

[sweet lark]

thank you goat

[frigid hatch]

use a grenade

[buoyant moon]

i recommend shooting first

[normal hazel]

Again, the problem is that depending on the grenade it straight up won't work

[lucid moss]

Holy I have like 3k kills on igneous and I JUST noticed that it's a suros handcannon.

[frigid hatch]

well, shoot first then

[normal hazel]

I don't run shotguns :(

[frigid hatch]

skill issue

[hallow wasp]

I can

[coarse burrow]

how many fps shooters have u played

[buoyant moon]

bro is getting railed in d2 pvp

[hallow wasp]

because if the space is so tight that I can't extend range, I blink past them

[frigid hatch]

dont let Sera see this

[normal hazel]

Used to play CoD but I generally don't play pvp shooters that are pure pvp

[quaint hollow]

me with brain matter leaking from the ear staring a titan in the eyes as it bot walks forward with a matador out

[hallow wasp]

basically no one has the muscle memory to swing their aim 200 degrees and catch me post blink

[quaint hollow]

except me im different

[hallow wasp]

truer

[normal hazel]

Bakris and blink sometimes work, depends if they're expecting it

[buoyant moon]

wtf is this

[frigid hatch]

iron banner players

[hallow wasp]

they're not

[buoyant moon]

why did u one man that guy

[frigid hatch]

because they're iron banner players

[normal hazel]

The true hunter play: overconfident shotgun into solo super

[quaint hollow]

batman couldnt get this gameplay out of me

[coarse burrow]

so how do you flush out ppl camping in a room

[buoyant moon]

bro delete that

[normal hazel]

In CoD? Flashbangs cause I'm scum. In density? Depends on the room and what I'm playing

[valid violet]

bro a guy froze my thundercrash with his stasis warlock melee 😭

[frigid hatch]

LMFAO

[valid violet]

im devastated

[coarse burrow]

ok, so some kind of utility then

[frigid hatch]

if it makes you feel any better

[normal hazel]

Oh that genuinely could have been me I have three clips of me doing that

[coarse burrow]

thats one way

[frigid hatch]

i blocked a T.crash with a glacier grenade once

[valid violet]

today?

[frigid hatch]

that titan was NOT happy lmao

[hallow wasp]

was their account name totsugeki

[valid violet]

near a bonfire?

[normal hazel]

Oh today? No

[wanton halo]

[valid violet]

who would even remember the name of a guy in a random quickmatch

[wanton halo]

if i never play a set with a may player ever again itll be too soon

[coarse burrow]

thats an important name to remember

[normal hazel]

Honestly can we get a pvp buff to flashbangs purely so I can piss people off

[valid violet]

a guy tried to melee me today. Me. A titan. The fkin NERVE

[meager flower]

Help

[fervent veldt]

this weeks gm modifier seems annoying af

[meager flower]

It is

[coarse burrow]

with?

[valid violet]

whats it

[weary fern]

Longer blinding duration?

[sweet delta]

Meh it’s something interesting to play with

[normal hazel]

It's a direct buff to revision zero basically

[hallow wasp]

I remember a couple of people who carried me in trials, but also totsugeki is cammycakes

[valid violet]

again, who?

[normal hazel]

And no falloff on the blind (i.e. no matter where you are in the radius you get the same amount of blind)

[meager flower]

https://tenor.com/view/malenia-elden-ring-elden-ring-dance-gif-9116296690986989941

[hallow wasp]

[valid violet]

i only know of dato and houndish

[normal hazel]

What platform are you on I could help

[valid violet]

thats everyone in the D2 community i know

[normal hazel]

Wait piss my char got wiped nevermind

[valid violet]

also alpha on this server

[wanton halo]

ui think i have covid

[meager flower]

You have covid?

[vapid ledge]

Hey

[meager flower]

Eat your vitamins then

[hallow wasp]

fraudfly moment

[wanton halo]

bye

[valid violet]

bro the maid girl is so op its not even funny

[wanton halo]

wjat

[vapid ledge]

What did I do

[hallow wasp]

fugue coming soon can't wait

[valid violet]

i swtiched back to get for my 4th (least important place) and she's so good i had to max her

[wanton halo]

i dont like you.

[normal hazel]

Also yeah bungie can you buff disorienting blow to do, idk, literally anything in any game mode please?

[meager flower]

Oscillation modifier is so

[wanton halo]

im skipping jy, sunday and fugue just for firefly

[hallow wasp]

no ew why would they ever

[vapid ledge]

Why

[wanton halo]

i wanna get firefly e1 so bad

[normal hazel]

Give disorienting blow multiple charges actually that's not a bad idea

[valid violet]

monkey paw's finger curls. Now it blinds you when it hits an enemy

[hallow wasp]

I have firefly e2 so I just want fugue so I can have 2 break teams

[wanton halo]

you have been deemed unworthy

[normal hazel]

I will honestly take it because that's extremely funny

[hallow wasp]

because break is stupid broken

[vapid ledge]

[wanton halo]

is it bad that i genuinely want a seele rerun just because i think she is really cool

[hallow wasp]

nah but she's been powercrept turbo hard

[valid violet]

should get a "friendly" week where non-heavy weapons are disabled in pvp

[hallow wasp]

like seele sp consumption is so bad it hurts

[weary fern]

You also have to consider that if you aren't facing the flashbang explosion itself, the effects will be mitigated.

[placid cloud]

when will Oxygen return chat?!

[valid violet]

like sword week but everybody's on the same playing field

[normal hazel]

Please 👉👈

[hallow wasp]

and that's assuming you get the last hits

[normal hazel]

This is false

[hallow wasp]

it has

they unsunset all guns so you can pull it from collections

[placid cloud]

that's the old one

[hallow wasp]

yeah

[placid cloud]

i want it to return new

like the others

[quaint hollow]

destiny player dont be unnecessarily pedantic challenge

[normal hazel]

Honestly Meganeura reworked as its own perk would be amazing

[placid cloud]

it'd have to have solar 3.0 synergy

[normal hazel]

Dragonfly one of the most slept on perks in the game

[normal hazel]

Not really? Dragonfly is REALLY good

[placid cloud]

not really

[quaint hollow]

dont sleep on mid guys

[normal hazel]

Like it's 27k damage in 5 meters

[coarse burrow]

why do you want the worst gun in the game to return

[placid cloud]

i like it, it's fun, but no 3.0 synergy is its downfall

[normal hazel]

It's not amazing but it's absolutely not bad

[placid cloud]

i just enjoyed it was all lol

[weary fern]

I didn't say that the effects would be eliminated.

[normal hazel]

I dunno I'm a weapon enjoyer like some kind of nerd

[coarse burrow]

that thing was irredeemable

[plain jacinth]

What?

[hallow wasp]

enjoying weapons =! enjoying the worst weapons possible

[vapid ledge]

What’s a good exotic for arc warlock

[normal hazel]

I put 31k kills on my dragonfly strident whistle

[quaint hollow]

meganeura top 3 perks no troll

[normal hazel]

Playing prismatic warlock

[placid cloud]

i'd rather have destab, voltshot, or incan

tho again, i do like dfly & firefly

[coarse burrow]

top 2 worst perks of all time

[placid cloud]

but they're not as good anymore

[vapid ledge]

I don’t have the DLC

[quaint hollow]

you’ve seem thru me

[normal hazel]

Incan is close (but better obvs) but I like dragonfly cause it's more damage and deals its damage immediately

[coarse burrow]

a perk that cant work without dragonfly, a mid perk, gg's

[placid cloud]

yess but, no synergyyyy

[brazen fern]

meganeura the best perk in the game /s

[normal hazel]

Idk!!! I don't inherently care about synergy!!!!

[quaint hollow]

alpha gets it

[brazen fern]

wasnt it like just a bigger dragonfly explosion or something

[light basalt]

guys

[quaint hollow]

yeah it was terrible

[normal hazel]

Also dragonfly > destab but that's because volatile rounds is easy to get and destab also sucks

[brazen fern]

at least the gun looked cool

[quaint hollow]

mid > mid

[fossil flare]

Anyone know how to get retired bungie rewards? Looking to buy the Archie plush

[placid cloud]

1. not true, 2. also not true

[coarse burrow]

worst perk combo on the worst primary type on the worst archetype for that primary, gg

[spiral bluff]

oxygen is a scout rifle

[brazen fern]

i got it when it was the pinnacle vanguard weapon

[weary fern]

Meganeura is definitely a fun trait, but it's only found on a ritual weapon, the Oxygen SR3.

[brazen fern]

was pretty cool for the time

[light basalt]

where can i find people to help farm for armor from dungeons?

[normal hazel]

Nah cause volatile rounds + dragonfly just absolutely sweeps destab by a mile

[placid cloud]

no

[brazen fern]

also nobody here remembers edgewise

[vapid ledge]

Can someone help me with kingsfall

[placid cloud]

getting volatile rounds is very annoying tbh

[coarse burrow]

i do, offbrand 21% delirium

[normal hazel]

Yeah? Destab is one of the worst perks in the game

[coarse burrow]

still good tho

[normal hazel]

Perhaps on warlock (arguable)

[brazen fern]

i got that thing to cope with not wanting to play gambit

[normal hazel]

Titan and hunter have no problem

[weary fern]

Wasn't that a ritual wep?

[spiral bluff]

21% my beloved

[placid cloud]

titan has a problem

[normal hazel]

But also volatile just really isn't that good

[coarse burrow]

nah delirium was too good at what it did

[brazen fern]

like seriously, i wanted 21% delirium so bad but i didnt wanna grind gambit 😭😭😭

[normal hazel]

Prism titan also has volatile rounds don't worry

[brazen fern]

so i got the walmart delirium from the blue smurf guy

[hallow wasp]

woe, 3 engrams per focused gun roll upon you

[brazen fern]

you had to play a ridiculous amount of gambit

[coarse burrow]

you hhad to reset gambit rank

[brazen fern]

think recluse/mountaintop grind but gambit

[normal hazel]

Man I wish I had a good kinetic slot fusion

[brazen fern]

scatter signal:

riptide:

[normal hazel]

For pvp

[weary fern]

Legendary or Exotic?

[normal hazel]

I have both scatter signal and riptide for pve don't worry

I'm only MOSTLY inept

[brazen fern]

idk i would use techeun force

[vapid ledge]

Chat am I cooked

[normal hazel]

Legendary

[brazen fern]

seems decent in pvp

[normal hazel]

Kinetic slot

[brazen fern]

then idk

[normal hazel]

Also plug one better

[weary fern]

Pure kinetic fusions are a rarity. I think there's only 1.

[normal hazel]

Kinetic slot, not kinetic damage

Mayhaps Nox Perineal V

[weary fern]

Yeah, we got all these Stasis and Strand weps in kinetic, but they're not actual kinetic.

[brazen fern]

high impact so mehhhh

gonna be dead before you shoot it

[normal hazel]

Consider: 18 meter kill funny moments that make god weep

[weary fern]

Fusion rifle kill from 18 meters? 🤣 🤣

[normal hazel]

I use merciless in pvp it'll be fine

[normal hazel]

Zealot's Reward can hit nearly 20 meters

[weary fern]

I suppose, but the scatter alone gonna create damage falloff.

[normal hazel]

Extended barrel + high stability, it's a fairly consistent 20 meter kill

[buoyant moon]

but what about when he's Around The Corner

[weary fern]

I guess. Kinda difficult for Americans to tell what constitutes a meter, though, since the game doesn't really have units of measurement.

[buoyant moon]

with a Shotgun

[dusk gazelle]

if i buy the final shape soundtrack off of bungie store do i also get the darkest day emblem?

[coarse burrow]

I GOT AIR TRIGGER CHILL CLIP

[normal hazel]

I love merciless in pvp entirely because Impetus is an extremely stupid buff and Bungie should feel bad for implementing it

[spiral bluff]

gib

[quaint hollow]

unfortunately theres nothing you can do

[weary fern]

Wait... That's not true. DARCI can determine distance.

[quaint hollow]

he owns that corner now and you cant get him out

[coarse burrow]

WITH TAC/EXTENDED MAG AND A RELOAD MW

[normal hazel]

I piss and cry and leave the match duh

[coarse burrow]

LETS GOOO

[quaint hollow]

q the brainlet telling you implosion is better

[spiral bluff]

u won the game

tac best

[normal hazel]

Wow that's. Wrong? Nearly every game I play uses meters, and a lot of stuff IRL uses meters, too

[light marten]

why cant i equip the ornaments i jsut bought from saladin?

[normal hazel]

Gotta unlock them

[quaint hollow]

americans that cant use meters were failed by the education system

[light marten]

yeah i did

[fervent veldt]

I....AM STEVE

[normal hazel]

With synthweave?

[spiral bluff]

no

[weary fern]

Okay, I made a gross exaggeration.

[light marten]

i did not know i had to do that

[coarse burrow]

i thought i was gonna have to grind more lmao

[normal hazel]

Oh yeah it's super dumb

[fervent veldt]

im fish

[coarse burrow]

wait what is this gm modifier

[valid violet]

"loses happen" no Saladin, what happens is that the entire enemy team had an average of 15 kills per person when my team had an average of 3!!!!

[coarse burrow]

wtf is this gm modifier

[normal hazel]

Oh also they should rework recovery to be better at the low end imo

Like the high end is fine but make the baseline higher so there's less of a chasm

[waxen harbor]

theres about 2 billion things they needa do lol

[valid violet]

holy crap Oscilation is the worst gm modifier yet how is this even possible

[coarse burrow]

yeah, like getting rid of this gm modifier

[valid violet]

[normal hazel]

Use Rev Zero (even tho it's cope)

[valid violet]

"self build craftin" its literally just a nerf to everything

[coarse burrow]

ill take prenerf counterfeit over this any day

[fervent veldt]

^^^

[spiral bluff]

sequence is pattern

[normal hazel]

I took one look at Oscillation and immediately decided it was garbage without even testing it

[valid violet]

same

[normal hazel]

And I main rev zero in pve

[valid violet]

i don't even want to test it wth IS that?!

who at bungie thought that was ok?

[fervent veldt]

mango?!

[spiral bluff]

mod said

[normal hazel]

Bungie cut out the middle man and just add a modifier that says "your weapons deal crap damage"

[valid violet]

"yeah use ammo from your 15 mag shotgun to make your primary infinite ammo weapon deal the same damage as before instead of like 50% less"

[normal hazel]

Bungie should add match game back actually

[wind creek]

An I use the witness key additional times in excision? Or is it limited per week? I have a second one in my post master and wanna know if I can get even more rewards

[coarse burrow]

shutup

[fervent veldt]

mango mango mango

[wanton halo]

my mango is to blow up

[fervent veldt]

oh yah i might use necrotic grips on prismatic

[coarse burrow]

They REALLY want us using pris titan huh

"So your weapons do less dmg btw. Also, have fun shooting down those beefy threshers with your weapons"

Ig imma farm for that cowl/syntho class item now

[normal hazel]

Yeah honestly just. Take threshers out of GMs

They're not even a fun o engaging threat it's just two minutes of shooting a plane

[coarse burrow]

I mean theyre managable but why are you nerfing our way of dealing with them

So if I wanted to run malfeasance its just straight up doing less dmg

[normal hazel]

They're not a big problem if you do't try to big d*ck rush them but that doesn't make them fun or good

Xenophage is my go to for threshers cause it kills them in 4 shots so it's pretty free

Alas, not in this GM

[quaint hollow]

super key looks real cute when i see a thresher

[normal hazel]

Depends on the super

[coarse burrow]

At the beginning of the gm btw

[normal hazel]

What's my golden gun or storm's edge gonna do? Make them laugh?

[frigid hatch]

is this it? i feel like this is a hard nope

[quaint hollow]

gg

[compact nova]

mid

[normal hazel]

Rapid hit prolly better but it's not the worst

[quaint hollow]

what the cat with the santa hat said

[placid cloud]

outlaw/kc

[fervent veldt]

who up feeling jolly

[coarse burrow]

Ur a month early!

[fervent veldt]

🎅 !

[normal hazel]

I wish I could get my god roll Neoptolemus

[placid cloud]

alright, got birthplace of the vile, was able to farm scorn finally, gg

[valid violet]

wait, do iron banner weapons not drop from the activity

[fervent veldt]

im saving my seasonal challenges for act 3!!!!!

[normal hazel]

Very rarely

[coarse burrow]

So ig im running chill inhib imperial decree and grav lance?

[fervent veldt]

i think ima just skip this week tbh

[normal hazel]

Rev Zero over grav lance

[valid violet]

god that sucks

[frigid hatch]

finally fixed my stat issue

recovery begone, hello Mobi

[cunning eagle]

4 Rocket sidarm rolls, 3 impulse surrounded

tf is this game

[coarse burrow]

I would but i dont have an aggressive shotty w trench barrel in the energy slot, also grav gets vorpal which is nice

Also I never farmed rev zero catas lol