#💬destiny-chat

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chilly steppe
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There’s grain breads, rye, flour , etc.

weary fern
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rye, corn, barley, oats, sorghum, millet, and rice are your other options.

tacit ledge
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does anybody like the gameplay of the first descendant or is the player base all gooners and goonettes

weary fern
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Although it's been many years since I have last consumed cornbread.

wind bronze
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it is amusing that the only thing keeping the two from being completely identical is how the bread is shaped and whether or not it's hot or cold

chilly steppe
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Sourdough is my favorite bread

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2nd best bread you could possibly eat behind sprouted whole grain bread

inner sandal
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ok sprout

weary fern
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A sandwich is generally defined as two pieces of bread with a filling in between. If you have 2 pieces of something that is constituted as bread, and you have a filling in between, it IS a sandwich.

inner sandal
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those two pieces of bread can also still be connected

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a submarine sandwich is a sandwich

tired oriole
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if two pieces of bread are connected its one piece of bread

inner sandal
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@jagged sage GET BACK HERE

chilly steppe
inner sandal
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a beagle is also a dog

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a tree is also a plant

jagged sage
inner sandal
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enjoy

chilly steppe
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Even the national hot dog and sausage council rules a hot dog not a sandwich

weary fern
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We should probably finish up this discussion before @lost island decides enough is enough. He's probably getting hungry regarding our sandwich talk.

tired oriole
inner sandal
weary fern
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Next thing you know, he'll post the hamburger meme.

inner sandal
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which one?

weary fern
inner sandal
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hamburger cheeseburger bigmac whopper

weary fern
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That's the actual song.

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It is fire.

chilly steppe
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Sounds terrible

inner sandal
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yeah it sounds terrible but its hilarious

weary fern
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It gets better as it goes on.

chilly steppe
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I doubt that highly, sounds very very annoying

weary fern
void drift
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What's challenge for master se this week

chilly steppe
inner sandal
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amogus

weary fern
inner sandal
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whew i thought i summoned tasso

weary fern
fierce dawn
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Wait guys

weary fern
fierce dawn
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Did chromakopia come out today

inner sandal
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weight guise

weary fern
fierce dawn
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Chromakopia

fervent veldt
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somehow i got 2 hunter class items with the exact same roll

fierce dawn
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Potential Album of the year

fervent veldt
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spirit of the assassin + synthoceps

jade garnet
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Prodigy#3698 sucks and uses thorn in 1v1s

weary fern
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Chromakopia is definitely a music album. A rap album, if I'm not mistaken.

fierce dawn
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IT DID

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AAAAAA

tired oriole
jade garnet
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Wouldnt let me on my main either

weary fern
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Gotta love these puns.

tired oriole
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get it

jade garnet
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he took it off and I got a 5 streak on him then he swapped BACK to it

weary fern
jade garnet
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was abt to start using consecration

weary fern
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You good with bows at all? Try using Le Monarque.

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Only way to fight toxic is with toxic.

jade garnet
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im not a puss

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just used rose and mata

weary fern
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So this guy used an exotic primary while you were using just legendaries?

jade garnet
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yeah and he asked what rules there were

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like it was ONLY no exotic hcs

weary fern
jade garnet
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Yeah

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and he agreed

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still used thorn

weary fern
# jade garnet Yeah

And he broke his agreement, which means he automatically forfeits. You win.

jade garnet
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Ik but im still salty he wouldn't run it on my hunter

weary fern
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At least there was no incentive on the line, cos private matches can't have any incentives whatsoever.

jade garnet
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HHe called me dog**** in a gambit match

chilly steppe
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And it’s drink time , with homemade taco salad

weary fern
jade garnet
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absolutely

weary fern
jade garnet
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We sent 1v1 at the same time so

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wtv that constitutes

weary fern
chilly steppe
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Lmfao wanting to 1v1 someone over gambit. That has to be the epitome of SAD

weary fern
civic kettle
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surely u remembered tto use 7+ resil right?

chilly steppe
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Sending trash messages is sad enough, but the going hurr 1v1 me…. Hurr hurr. Wow. That’s just. Wow

inner sandal
weary fern
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Dude, you can't get bent out of shape if people trash talk you in the in-game chat. Do your best to ignore them and move on.

jade garnet
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Im so tilted

real verge
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oopsy poopsy

weary fern
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If you do go into a 1v1, it should be to hone your skills before doing it for real.

chilly steppe
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Anyone trash talks I just mute them. They send foul worded hateful messages over Xbox live, I report it and then block them.

jade garnet
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But i just fold to thorn

chilly steppe
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Since I’m a former moderating ambassador, they are usually really fast at confirming my reports

weary fern
# jade garnet im not bad

I wasn't implying that you were. Maintaining skill is an uphill battle that requires a near constant exposure to whatever you are doing.

chilly steppe
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That was fun times , going thru the reports and actually banning idiots breaking xbl rules

chilly steppe
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I was an XBL ambassador who reviewed reports of messages , so essentially a low tier moderator yes

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I had access to all the report logs from messages

weary fern
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Was this like a paying job you did, or was it a side quest of sorts?

jade garnet
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just got a single perked slide opening bottom dollar in the big 24'

chilly steppe
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It was voluntary, I did get rewarded for various amounts of reports confirmed and whatnot. With MS Points or live time. There were other things we could choose from in the prize pool,

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But that’s what I always picked

weary fern
chilly steppe
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Yes

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I ended up quitting when I had gotten a full time job that had me working 55hrs a week so i didn’t have the time anymore to set aside for XBL Enforcement

weary fern
chilly steppe
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The state I lived in at that time didn’t have that law, but the job did give overtime for anything over 40hrs.

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They also gave overtime for anything beyond 8hrs a day

weary fern
runic dagger
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Rmb when Vex Incursions we’re the only way to farm exotics😞😞😞😞

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what a time

chilly steppe
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They were yes. I ended up leaving that company when I got super sick the first time in my life and was laid out for several months

runic dagger
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imagine me, popping into the D2 chat and y’all are talking about mf work😂😂😂😂 oddballs just text each other

chilly steppe
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While I’ve had great experiences, my health hasn’t been fair to me.

chilly steppe
runic dagger
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smh

weary fern
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I knew you would join eventually. This topic is irresistible.

lost island
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kinda hungry ngl

chilly steppe
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Currently though, as I mentioned earlier, my struggle is 4 months and counting of compounded pneumonia with consolidation in my left lung, with it possibly being cancer…

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As I said very unfair sht I’ve been dealing with thru my life

weary fern
# lost island kinda hungry ngl

The interpretation of what exactly constitutes a sandwich is like a tug-of-war. It's been a hot topic for at least an hour.

north fable
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My friend can’t find the mission for the seasonal artifact where can we look?

chilly steppe
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I’ll hopefully know for sure Thursday when I see my pulmonary specialist. Hopefully it’s more than a yapp session and they actually do something

weary fern
chilly steppe
weary fern
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There is no permanent solution for cancer because it is always developing in the body, getting stronger.

chilly steppe
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Can only hope.

weary fern
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The only real way I can feasibly see cancer being eradicated entirely is the invention of automatic organ replacement.

chilly steppe
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There’s chemotherapy and such treatments but they take a while

weary fern
chilly steppe
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With the luck I’ve had with my health I already know I’m not living a long life and I’ve accepted that

weary fern
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As I said, organ replacement seems to be the way forward in order to properly kill off cancer. The only real problem with organ replacement would have to be the brain.

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Replacing the entirety of the brain would require leaps and bounds forward in the research of human neurology.

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It's not like we can transfer consciousness to an artificial entity for holding while the new brain is put into place.

chilly steppe
weary fern
chilly steppe
chilly steppe
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Search it on YouTube

weary fern
stoic birch
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how do i farm class item without doing dual destiny over and over again

chilly steppe
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Also apes were chosen due to their near identical makeup with humans

weary fern
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And human hands most likely lack the dexterity required for that level of surgery.

chilly steppe
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Like I said , search the video and watch it, it’s fascinating

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Stuff like that is far more interesting and educational unlike most of the other brain rot memesh** on YouTube

wind bronze
weary fern
stoic birch
chilly steppe
weary fern
wind bronze
normal pagoda
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just got a crazy good roll on veleda the new void sniper. deconstruct withering gaze appended mag reload mw

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holds 5 with backup mag and is gonna be a really good specialized tool for construct bosses

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bc it has hakke breach aramaments

weary fern
# chilly steppe Yes I know lol

They probably didn't know how to properly reconnect neural tissue, like what can bind it back together. We have discovered proteins/compounds that can do such things.

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The real problem now is finding what's reliable in order to do so.

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Every human body is unique. The ethical implications of executing someone and using their body to prolong the life of another is... barbaric.

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You may have the same head, but you're piloting the body of a convicted felon.

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I wouldn't want someone else's body. I'd want a duplicate of my own, grown properly to maturity, that I could hop into over a few hours and stroll off with a clean bill of health.

molten condor
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If there was an olympics for yap ud be the michael phelps of it

weary fern
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My mind doesn't stop spinning. Not until I am asleep.

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Funny thing about sleep. It is required in order to clean up the brain.

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Brain cleaner don't turn on until you're asleep.

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The stuff's called cerebrospinal fluid. Look it up if you wish.

chilly steppe
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I’m sure they’ll eventually perfect a head transplant. Medical technology is always advancing

weary fern
chilly steppe
weary fern
chilly steppe
chilly steppe
weary fern
wanton halo
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anyone know fix to 6/10 vespers quest puzzle not appearing, tried people with 0 clears and someone on step 3 according to reddit people saying it fixed it but didnt

weary fern
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I should really consider getting my DNA preserved so that I can reconstruct myself a new body in the future.

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If medical science can progress to that level before I'm on my deathbed.

civic kettle
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we as a species are like at least 80 years away from that

weary fern
wanton halo
weary fern
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Find some sort of stasis to slow or even halt the aging process.

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Aging is humanity's worst enemy.

wanton halo
feral minnow
chilly steppe
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Nah when I die, I wanna stay dead. I don’t wanna come back to this hell hole in the likely worse future

weary fern
wanton halo
chilly steppe
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It’s bad enough as it is now

wanton halo
chilly steppe
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We’re looking at a Judge Dredd (Karl Urban version) type future soon, if not a Mad Max Fury Road type future after WW3 nuclear war occurs.

weary fern
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The worst aspect of death is loss of identity, loss of consciousness, loss of everything. Thinking about it while alive can drive you mad.

chilly steppe
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The best part of death is no longer living

wanton halo
weary fern
wanton halo
chilly steppe
wanton halo
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your afraid of nothing but when nothing happens ur good to go for eternity

weary fern
wind bronze
chilly steppe
wanton halo
weary fern
# wanton halo life is tiring

Indeed it is, but we have to make it worth it. Do what you love while you can, because someday you won't have that chance.

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Those are words that I need to live by.

wanton halo
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  • death has to happen or the world will be overpopulated so quick, every time the population grows it makes someone have a harder time to live
molten condor
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Yh like playing destiny

chilly steppe
wanton halo
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death is part of living

feral minnow
wanton halo
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without death the world would be a mess

weary fern
wanton halo
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it sucks but it gotta happen

chilly steppe
thorn rover
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overly negative

wanton halo
chilly steppe
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But I definitely prefer being overly realistic, and accept death for what it is. The ultimate and final release of the bs called life

thorn rover
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some dont consider it bs

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but a blessing

chilly steppe
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If you don’t see the bs in life, you’re lying to yourself

zenith widget
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why did nimbus scratch their feet

thorn rover
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oh i can defenitly see it, just try not to have it completely take over my mind

wanton halo
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regardless if u are positive or negative, u will die and be nailed in a box while u sit there rotting next to a bunch of different people

weary fern
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Okay, the nihilism needs to stop. Now. I've indulged in the conversation for far too long, and we need to think about something else.

wanton halo
zenith widget
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why does nimbus scratch their feet?

chilly steppe
weary fern
thorn rover
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you say you want to die, you might as well

chilly steppe
chilly steppe
wanton halo
chilly steppe
zenith widget
thorn rover
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be thankful and helpful to others whilst youre here, make this planet less of a hell

zenith widget
chilly steppe
zenith widget
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also let's not use the incorrect pronouns for the they/them cloudstrider!

chilly steppe
thorn rover
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if you dont live for something, then youre gonna die for nothing

wanton halo
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then u dont have a life

weary fern
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I always get flustered when Nimbus is referred to as a THEY.

chilly steppe
wanton halo
zenith widget
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nimbus hate in 2024 is unreal

wanton halo
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i didnt mean u i meant in general if u dont work

chilly steppe
wanton halo
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nimbus is horrid

zenith widget
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idk, i honestly didn't mind nimbus

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banger ost

thorn rover
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i have dreams and aspirations, i know its a long and tough road ahead, but thats just life, its not supposed to be easy, wouldnt mean anything if you could just have something right away without working towards it

wanton halo
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all nimbus did in lightfall was make garbage jokes and hasnt been seen since

chilly steppe
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I may be a bit more biased towards death due to the lung cancer scare I have right now, but either way I still feel death is part of life so why fear it

chilly steppe
wanton halo
wanton halo
wind bronze
wanton halo
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i never said its meaningless

thorn rover
chilly steppe
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He’s annoying and I’ll continue to hate the character. PeepoYES

chilly steppe
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Drifter on the other hand, now he’s a dude I can support. We need more Drifter story.

chilly steppe
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I still dislike how they scrapped the whole side with the vanguard or drifter thing so quickly. I was so ready to tell Ikora and Blue cue ball to shove it

chilly steppe
weary fern
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I see that the internet is not helpful in answering my questions. Again.

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I sense bias in the scientific community.

thorn rover
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fk u @bright grotto , dont even send me what i was trying to type

wind bronze
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what bias

chilly steppe
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Yeah I hate the character limit too it’s stupid

weary fern
zenith widget
chilly steppe
thorn rover
weary fern
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Let's just say that certain people have been pushing political agendas through the scientific community to make people more receptive to ideas that should not exist.

weary fern
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I will not speak any more on the subject except through DMs.

wanton halo
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everything about him is that

thorn rover
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i dont think we had a non bi character in destiny before

wind bronze
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we didn't

chilly steppe
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I’m not hating on anything LGBTQ+ , I’m just hating how annoying his voice is, his character is, how annoying every single thing he says is, etc it’s all badly done

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Just my opinion.

weary fern
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You can't kill ideas, but you can persuade people to extinguish them before they become problematic. The only problem is whether or not that they'll be willing.

wanton halo
jagged sage
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Who’s voice?

wanton halo
chilly steppe
jagged sage
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Oh

chilly steppe
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Or I’ll just call him nimrod lol

thorn rover
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i honestly dont mind it, thats their character

wanton halo
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nimbus sounds like he got a rock stuck in his throat too

jagged sage
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He is a cyborg so it kinda makes sense

chilly steppe
thorn rover
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thats just how cloudstriders speak

chilly steppe
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The whole autotune-esq aspect of his voice grinds my gears so much

thorn rover
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but thinking back, i dont remember rohan having something similar

jagged sage
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He sounds better than Maya at least

thorn rover
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i guess its something specific to nimbus for some reason

chilly steppe
wanton halo
jagged sage
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Maya sounds like she smokes 30 packs a day

thorn rover
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ahaha

chilly steppe
thorn rover
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thats just the va's voice

wanton halo
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nimbus*

thorn rover
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i was referring to maya mb

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idk i dont get caught up in minute details about characters, i just accept them as they are and go with it

wind bronze
wanton halo
wind bronze
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that too

chilly steppe
weary fern
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I don't care how many times Nimbus is referred to as they. I will not accept him as Bungie has made "him".

jagged sage
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I hope we get to kill Maya soon just so I don’t have to listen to her speak anymore

wanton halo
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lakshmi sounds like she dont even got lungs atp just making grunting noises that sounds like talking

thorn rover
jagged sage
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Maya Sundaresh

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Did you play last episode?

chilly steppe
wanton halo
weary fern
chilly steppe
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Some damn half baked sht where we didn’t even do anything it just happened

wanton halo
thorn rover
jagged sage
zenith widget
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she had throat surgery

toxic heart
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can someone help me with the final legendary lightfall mission? no one in the lfg chats want to apparently

chilly steppe
wanton halo
chilly steppe
wanton halo
chilly steppe
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And my grandmother smokes like a chimney

wanton halo
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her throat is a lost cause

chilly steppe
wind bronze
thorn rover
wanton halo
wanton halo
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i didnt see any build up either

chilly steppe
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Yeah I can’t visit her right now because of my lung condition any cigarette smoke at all sends me into a horrible coughing fit

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Any smoke at all for that matter

thorn rover
wanton halo
thorn rover
chilly steppe
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I wish it was asthma. Mine is consolidation complicated Pneumonia

wanton halo
wanton halo
chilly steppe
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It’s Pneumonia with a complication of a consolidation which means it’s combined with something else, could be a number of things up to and including lung cancer

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The consolidation is preventing the pneumonia from healing properly and going away.

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So the mass is stuck in my lung continuing my suffering

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This has gone on for almost 5 months now.

wind bronze
vocal marten
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They say a man should dress for the job he wants. So why am I dressed up like a pirate in this restaurant?

wanton halo
# thorn rover understandable

they shoved him in the character roster to prove or support something abt lgbt, everyone outside is just unaffected or awkward abt it

weary fern
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I need to get off this chat before I say something else stupid.

tacit ledge
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ANDREW TATE LAUNCHED ANOTHER SCAM 🔥🔥🔥🔥

thorn rover
vocal marten
chilly steppe
wanton halo
thorn rover
ashen pecan
wanton halo
final galleon
vocal marten
wanton halo
chilly steppe
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I hate him for that not their s*xuality. Same would go for any real person, if you’re annoying af I’m gonna hate you all day long. Your love choices don’t mean sht to me love who you wanna love.

final galleon
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No like can you elaborate on what lgbt based means

tacit ledge
wanton halo
vocal marten
# tacit ledge What

Well I was shopping for a new car, which one’s me? A cool convertible or an SUV?

final galleon
chilly steppe
final galleon
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Like i cant just say xur looks bi because tentacles are bi coded

thorn rover
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its been confirmed by both bungie and Marin Miller the va that nimbus is non bi and uses they/them

vocal marten
tacit ledge
final galleon
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Thats what i was looking for

chilly steppe
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Keep looking till you can find something you want and can get. Never settle at one place just because

vocal marten
weary fern
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Whoever invented auto mod for Discord should find a different job.

wanton halo
final galleon
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Thats really stupid and not true

vocal marten
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Now instead of looking fly and rolling phat, my legs are sticking to the vinyl and my posse’s getting laughed at

wanton halo
jagged sage
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Spirit of star eater or Falling Star?

final galleon
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Your voice pitch is not dictated by your orientation or vice versa

thorn rover
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this is true

wanton halo
weary fern
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Ofc no single person is gonna be credited with creating auto mod. I think rules need to be established regarding the use of auto mod so users don't get bamboozled by the system.

wanton halo
final galleon
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Its just a steryotype

chilly steppe
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This mfer Willy nilly used bamboozled haha

wanton halo
wind bronze
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thank you chad birch

weary fern
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Okay, let's send a petition to this guy to make all auto mod users disclose timeout trigger words.

chilly steppe
wanton halo
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ive seen multiple lgbt guys with their voices making almost the same pitch

thorn rover
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there are some that dont have tht

wanton halo
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it isnt yes, but its most commonly on them and thats the truth

vocal marten
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wtf is even the point here

chilly steppe
wanton halo
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it doesn’t only happen to them it can happen to anyone but theres literally no denying that its more common on lgbt men

wanton halo
chilly steppe
wanton halo
vocal marten
chilly steppe
thorn rover
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we have reached a dead end with this topic and are looking for a new one atm

wind bronze
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snakes are cool

wanton halo
vocal marten
wild geode
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Whatup, I've been in this server for a while now only just registered

chilly steppe
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Anyway….

wind bronze
wanton halo
wild geode
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Looking for help with the mission Requiem on legendary, should I make a post in the story-campaign channel?

chilly steppe
stiff galleon
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really arguing with a guy who has a skibidi toilet username

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all im sayin

chilly steppe
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Don’t bother answering that please

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Just shut it and move on to a different topic already

wanton halo
thorn rover
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XD

chilly steppe
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^ where this convo is leading

wanton halo
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i dont care abt it at all but i doubt its a coincidence his entire character sounds, acts, and looks like that just to not be

vocal marten
wanton halo
thorn rover
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getting ww2 flashbacks with measuring head sizes

vocal marten
wanton halo
chilly steppe
vocal marten
chilly steppe
vocal marten
wanton halo
final galleon
vocal marten
wanton halo
vocal marten
wanton halo
# vocal marten

I wont be there tho, welcome my son TitanJr when he comes tho

jagged sage
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Glaives are bad

chilly steppe
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Snipers are bad

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Glaives are bad

thorn rover
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have glaives ever been in teh metah

chilly steppe
thorn rover
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ooo

chilly steppe
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But of course, bungo hater of fun, had to step in and nerf it

jagged sage
hardy hearth
long creek
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If you have Gudroll VS Chill Inhib make sure you enhance it so you get your "date enhanced" on it before Bungo fix perk weighting. As a Godslayer I will be kicking anyone who gets this handed out post-perk weighting.

steel storm
chilly steppe
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The guns are literally the only reason I want to run the Dungeon

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They have my name abbreviation in the names of them all

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They’re literally MY guns

long creek
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You should sue Bungo for a Godroll VS Chll INhib, there are legal grounds

chilly steppe
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Too much work. Plus I hate lawyers

jagged sage
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Why hate lawyers?

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Thats a weird thing to hate

chilly steppe
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They’re bloodsuckers. Only out for themselves and their wallet at the end of the day

jagged sage
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Usually only defense attorneys.

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Prosecutors are usually more respectable

chilly steppe
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I have currently a big class action lawsuit I’m a part of against 3M , would be getting $25k but the lawyers

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In the case are taking a large portion of that leaving me and others in the suit with only $5k payout

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Others in the suit with greater hearing loss are getting paid more, but there too, lawyers getting the majority cut

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Same happened in a lawsuit from a car crash I had years ago, was due $100k , only got $45k after their cut and taxes

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So yes, fk lawyers

jagged sage
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Without those lawyers. Things would been a lot worse for you. Cuz they fact check everything

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Sure it depends on the lawyer but

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Dealing with court stuff is hard

chilly steppe
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The 3M lawsuit wrapped with a massive multi BILLION dollar settlement, some are getting paid very very well but they’re the ones with near 100% hearing loss, lawyers being good to those folk, but making up

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For it with us lower payout individuals by getting larger cuts

jagged sage
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Just look at the Darrell Brooks case. This dude ran over a group of people with a pickup truck and killed I think 5

chilly steppe
jagged sage
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Dude fired his lawyers and decided to defend himself

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He got life cuz he didn’t know what the hell he was doing

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With the lawyers he at least had a chance

chilly steppe
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That’s a whole different situation, I’m talking money here, not prison time

final galleon
chilly steppe
#

Anyway, lawyers are crooks. Don’t trust em. Period.

final galleon
#

Unless public defender

chilly steppe
#

It’s late I’m tired as hell and don’t feel well. I’m going to sleep

final galleon
#

Sleep well friend

tame dew
#

is there a way to replay episode missions? i want to play Na-Veskirisk again

weary fern
#

Paid lawyers are soldiers of the filthy rich. Their ammunition is the book of law.

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The court of law is simply the waging of war by other means.

alpine garnet
jagged sage
#

Maybe your lawyers are crooks. But not all of them are

weary fern
#

Lawyers should represent the people more so than the corporations. Megacorps make my blood boil.

alpine garnet
weary fern
#

The court of law is different in various jurisdictions, because no one nation has the exact same legislation.

#

Some will obviously be better than others, because some nations actually hold their leaders accountable for their actions.

alpine garnet
weary fern
#

Goin into a mudslinging match just to waste taxpayer money is not worth it.

jagged sage
#

I’m grateful to my mom’s defense attorney. She was looking at years in prison for grand theft because her ex boss accused her

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That b*tch was rich and would throw stuff away. My mom would ask if she can keep to sell and stuff

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Then when she quit, the c*nt filed the lawsuit

weary fern
#

There are far more important things to spend money on than deciding on an Apple vs Google verdict regarding phone patent infringement.

jagged sage
#

My mom managed to get away with only house arrest and community service

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My mom is one who doesn’t like confrontation so she didn’t wanna counter sue

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I wish I could have taken the stand as a witness

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The b*tch tried to bribe my moms lawyer and she bribed the judge

weary fern
#

My home wifi be bugging. Ugh.

dawn kayak
#

guys, wana ask about something, accelerated coil perk supposed to give faster charge time, but it actually does not work, my charge time is the same with or without it?

tacit ledge
#

surely YouTube won't take down DGYL3 right

weary fern
jagged sage
#

It was actually my mom who didn’t want me to

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Because unlike her I love the confrontation

weary fern
jagged sage
#

And I would have gone off on her behalf

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But my mom just wanted to get it all over with

weary fern
jagged sage
#

It was a criminal suit

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She was accused of grand theft

weary fern
#

And I am guessing she was not in possession of any of the items she was accused of stealing prior to the trial.

#

Cos if she was, that would have made the proceedings go forward.

#

You should've countersued with claims of bribery if the plaintiff did so.

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I'd have both the plaintiff and the judge arrested and charged if there was indeed bribery.

toxic heart
#

can someone pls help me with the final boss of the lightfall campaign? I've been trying to get just one person to help me for 3 hours now and have yet to get anyone

weary fern
#

Just goes to say that the biggest power in the world is money, and not much can change that.

toxic heart
#

like literally 5-10 mins of time

weary fern
#

Normal or Legend?

toxic heart
#

legenbd

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I can get him to his final quater health bar solo\

weary fern
#

Know what? Screw it. I got nothing better to do.

toxic heart
#

omg thank you

weary fern
#

Lemme boot up my machine.

toxic heart
#

/join reaper#7595 when you get in

weary fern
#

Gotta be willing to help others, folks. That's what makes gamers great!

toxic heart
#

I agree lol

weary fern
#

Still, don't expect this to be a carry.

toxic heart
#

I got it I just need you for a little more damage

weary fern
#

I will get you back on your feet so that you know what to do in the future.

toxic heart
#

or ive I sent off the edge

tacit ledge
#

I feel like Drifter being pansexual was bound to happen

#

they were gonna do it at some point

weary fern
#

Let's discuss something other than that. I have had enough of that word for one day.

tacit ledge
#

the man will do literally anything both in life and as a euphemism

meager coyote
#

anyone for dual destiny?

weary fern
tacit ledge
#

how many decades are you talking bro 😭

weary fern
#

I fortunately made it out of school before the states started poisoning the minds of children with ideas that should not exist. I will not discuss them here, as they are way too political.

tacit ledge
#

490 decades is a lot of time me thinks

#

"poisoning the minds" ancient egypt:

weary fern
#

Look, I have already said too much. This server has a fairly strict policy regarding the discussion of politics.

#

I'm going to help this reaper guy beat Iconoclasm on Legend. Cya all later.

civic kettle
tacit ledge
weary fern
wind bronze
clear zephyr
#

guys

#

we need help 3 people to onephase witness

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could someone assist ?

placid cloud
#

king's back

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any goons wanna do master nf

eternal moth
#

On Step 6 of the Vesper quest. The first message still appears in the Heart room right?
Cuz twice now Im getting some weird one involving blue panels and numbers

wide ice
#

👍 👎 ?

meager flower
#

You look hideous

wide ice
inner geyser
#

Can you focus exotic perks on the class items now? Where can I attune then?

wide ice
inner geyser
wide ice
weary fern
#

Thinkin I was goin into Iconoclasm, but nope, I had to do the end of Lightfall on Legendary.

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I brought out my nastiest Pris build.

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Which includes the use of Edge Transit. I don't have a god roll, though.

ashen pecan
#

solid 7/10

wide ice
inner geyser
wide ice
jagged sage
#

Why is the Ace NERF gun so FAQing huge?

spice lotus
#

just cause

wide ice
inner geyser
weary fern
ashen pecan
wide ice
eternal moth
#

On Step 6 of the Vesper quest. The first message still appears in the Heart room right?
Cuz twice now Im getting some weird one involving blue panels and numbers

jagged sage
wide ice
#

That's bigger than my foot

jagged sage
#

There it is with my PS5 controller for scale

wide ice
#

My PS5 controller is a few inches smaller than my foot. Holy sh-

plucky notch
jagged sage
#

This thing uses batteries what the hail?

pine sedge
#

is the moth build good in onslaught

jagged sage
#

It uses 4 AA’s

blissful scaffold
#

@jagged sage destiny hc is huge

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Also, it uses battery to proc memento mori

jagged sage
#

The batteries made it heavier

blissful scaffold
jagged sage
#

I see how it works. It’s air powered

blissful scaffold
#

😔

frigid hatch
#

wuh

alpine tiger
#

VHT-6A7-3MM emblem code for destiny

wide ice
#

I have a Rival nerf gun that uses 12 AA batteries

wide ice
bleak thorn
alpine tiger
#

the code is for evoryone so you probably already claimed it

bleak thorn
wide ice
# jagged sage That’s still cool

It's awesome, nerds overclock the sh- out of those things. Goes up to 500fps. And the fact that that thing has a chamber adds to how cool it is

alpine tiger
#

VHT-6A7-3MM was posted by Secreat asian flan at 2:41 and Crota son of oryx at 5am today

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i play d2 at 30fps

jagged sage
bleak thorn
frigid hatch
#

it being a battery powered gun explains why it's so grossly oversized

#

the Guardian is only "6.0

bleak thorn
#

Finally its working now. @alpine tiger

jagged sage
#

I placed it here behind my keyboard. I need to buy a stand for it

jagged sage
#

In game I mean

alpine tiger
#

its for the Destiny 2 Emblem: Conqueror of Infinity

wide ice
lost island
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nav printed one that is supposed to be to scale and it is marginally bigger

wide ice
#

The size is there to also accommodate the flywheels

worthy bay
#

whats new sesaon of the lost?

wide ice
worthy bay
#

that sucks,same gameplay 😦

#

they should bring back the haunted forest time trial

jagged sage
#

It’s longer than the thigh

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I placed it next to my thigh and its definitely longer

lost island
onyx saffron
#

.

tacit ledge
#

Is that multiple empty 2 liter bottles of coca cola

blissful scaffold
blissful scaffold
frigid hatch
blissful scaffold
frigid hatch
#

All In also increases the size of Ace but it's not by much, the barrel IS very long

frigid hatch
#

from grip, starting just the end of the guardians hip, the default size will have it travel down the thigh to a female guardians kneecap

blissful scaffold
#

😔

frigid hatch
#

just keep in mind Shaxx is a whole head taller than us and has a hand cannon strapped to his leg too

blissful scaffold
frigid hatch
#

Shaxx is a BIG boy

blissful scaffold
frigid hatch
#

i think we're taller than Zavala

jagged sage
#

How do I get the emblem from the ace ornament bundle?

blissful scaffold
#

It should attach along with the code

jagged sage
#

I only see the Pocket Ace code

#

oh wait I found it

#

am dumb

frigid hatch
jagged sage
#

if there is one thing I dont like about it, its not lefty friendly

ashen pecan
jagged sage
#

$60

#

suprisingly cheap for how good it looks and how large it is

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and the mechanics too

alpine tiger
blissful scaffold
#

Also, @alpine tiger u follow Japan Idol stuff ?

alpine tiger
#

that sound off topic... but i am not a mod any more so meh

ashen pecan
#

gg

#

demoted

jagged sage
#

I've noticed a bit of a design flaw

#

the iron sights are being blocked

livid pagoda
#

On?

jagged sage
#

the Ace NERF gun

blissful scaffold
#

U have to shoot with a faith in urself @jagged sage

stiff galleon
#

i mean you dont use the iron sights in d2 either

jagged sage
#

I mean yea I guess but this thing doesnt have that light projection iron sight

stoic birch
#

is spirit of innermost light and synthoceps good for titan class item?

frigid hatch
#

meh

stoic birch
#

so what would be a pretty good roll?

#

just got it today and have no idea what the godroll is

frigid hatch
#

Severence + Contact

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Assassin + Syntho

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Inmost Light + Star Eaters

stiff galleon
frigid hatch
#

if you need that much energy regen just run Severence with an opposing Light / Dark to your melee to infinitely / rapidly generate Prismatic energy

stoic birch
#

ooo

frigid hatch
#

i dont care for Inmost Light on my titan because i literally never NOT have 100% Transcendence energy

#

oh i need CD's? aight, hitting it

stoic birch
#

ill get those 3 mentioned and keep my syntho one and see what works

frigid hatch
#

that's why Getaway Bleaks locks are so powerful in PvE rn too

stoic birch
#

thank yall

frigid hatch
#

still trynna get a Caliban Synthos on my hunter myself

stoic birch
#

broken ngl

frigid hatch
#

it is

#

i have Liar's + Assassin and Star Eaters + Galanor already

stoic birch
frigid hatch
#

fortunately for game balancing hunters do not have good supers in their Prismatic choices

#

so no, Star Eaters + Galanor is actually horrible most of the time

civic kettle
#

tether/golden gun

frigid hatch
#

golden gun damage is one of the worst supers in the game without Celestial's combining its total and buffing it by 60%

#

like Hunters legit got ass blasted this expansion on their stuff

#

Combination Blow barely heals at all by itself now, Liar's proccing isn't as readily easy as it was prior to TFS

#

alright.... shorter posts...

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Hunters melee attacks baseline are 5% weaker than Titans now and their Knife default melee has the shortest lunge range in the game

#

their punch is the same lunge range as titans and warlocks baseline have the shortest lunge because their melee has the longest reach

#

Dodge is effectively useless outside of Still Hunt now because of all the reloading perks we have

#

Hunters grenade options on Prismatic are literally THE worst, but they make up for it, at least, by having solid melees and a decent choice of Aspects

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Hunters have the fewest "viable" supers in the game now due to changes Bungie implemented in part due to Raneiks, the dungeon boss

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I.E. they nerfed Ignition to do less damage with consecutive BOOMS so it wouldn't make Dragons Breath and Hunter and Titan loadouts 1 phase the boss with ease

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but they didn't code the change properly so that it ONLY applied to Raneiks, instead it just applies to Ignitions retroactively, so, all of them.... anywhere

#

Nova Bomb, T.crash, and Twilight Axes (post nerf) are all hitting harder than Golden Gun: Marksman currently and Golden Gun is Hunters hardest hitting super

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WITH exceptions of bosses with massively increased precision damage like Caretaker

devout raft
frigid hatch
#

it is literally the worst grenade in the game if not built exclusively around it, and it alone

#

along with some others

devout raft
#

duskfield is also pretty good

frigid hatch
#

Duskfield is only good right now because of the seasonal artifact, so once Revenant is over it's gonna be mediocre again

#

but that's always been the case so it's fine

devout raft
#

it applies slow and darkness debuff and it also freezes which reloads your weapon with the one fragment

frigid hatch
#

hunter DOES still have some fortunes going for them I.E. Celestial still buffs Still Hunt but by 20% instead of 60% like before

#

they have Gunpowder which is one of the hardest hitting grenades in the game

#

with one of the largest blast radius' on top of it

#

their Prismatic grenade got "fixed" so it will actually HIT the god damn target you sticky it onto

devout raft
#

Gunpowder is very bad

#

Do not use it 👍

frigid hatch
#

and it magnetizes towards enemies too

frigid hatch
#

unless you're doing 20 below Light content but even then it still one taps everything that isn't a Mini-Boss in that blast radius

devout raft
#

wow thats like 2 aberrant action shots!

frigid hatch
devout raft
#

💀

frigid hatch
#

there's also the fortune that Hunters can mimic Titans ability to make absurdly powerful usage of Navigator because of Prismatic too

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and they can even hit harder if conditions are right

#

so Hunters have an actual "One Punch" build atm but because it requires Navigator + Catalyst you aint gonna see it much

tranquil nimbus
#

so if im a returning player on a completely fresh account. what loadout should i get so i can start raiding as soon as possible

frigid hatch
#

Solar and do TFS to get Still Hunt

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acquire Celestial Nighthawk exotic helmet

#

boom, you can boss DPS in a raid

tranquil nimbus
#

warlock lol

frigid hatch
#

it's either that or play Void and understand you only exist for one purpose, to live long enough to cast Shadowshot: Deadfall

#

step 1, equip Solar

#

step 2, equip Well of Radiance

#

nothing else matters

#

least investment required to do

#

Warlocks require semi-specific mod setups and exotics to do the shenanigans they get away with so until your equipment pool has grown it's the fastest option for you

devout raft
# tranquil nimbus warlock lol

centoaph is very good, sunbracers are still pretty good, rain of fire is great for dps, speakers sight is good in underlight content but not really needed in normal mode raids

frigid hatch
#

Cenotaph requires a solid Trace Rifle, or otherwise Divinity (a raid exotic), Sunbracers are good but most players will not player around you using them, gimping their effectiveness

#

Speakers is good in general and gains value in harder content, but it's a pure support tool

#

and yeah Rain of Fire can be nice

devout raft
#

any trace rifle does the job, you are not using trace rifles for ad clear

#

Theres no such thing as a “solid trace rifle”

#

You can get any roll of retraced path from dares and be perfectly fine

frigid hatch
#

people kick from raids for less, i wouldn't get their hopes up

#

listen, just understand you aren't going to be desirable in a raid if you don't have a solid gear pool to begin with, make your first goal acquiring that firstly

#

when i came back to D2 during Season of the Deep -- the last time I had played was during Leviathan, so that's 4-ish, 5-ish years between

#

i literally did not enter a raid until i had at least a decent rocket, and Izanagi's Burden

devout raft
#

you do not need to chase 5/5 god rolls just to do a raid

frigid hatch
#

i never said 5/5's, my decent rocket was just a 2/5 Hothead

devout raft
#

i Could go in with all blue gear and do better than 95% of the people in lfg

frigid hatch
#

ALH and Explosive Light, the barrel and mag perks were poopy

wide ice
#

In my experience most LFG groups for raids have 4 out of 6 hypelords that can 2 man everything. I don't even need to move a finger 70% of the time

wide ice
frigid hatch
#

VoW requires at least 4 players be half-competent, yes

#

DSC requires 4, if you don't have ridiculously yoted people

#

GOS requires all 6 players have basic awareness, but you can get away with 4-manning it too without anything too crazy going on

wide ice
frigid hatch
#

unless you just cheese it or skip it entirely

wide ice
#

People solo descent

frigid hatch
#

they cheese it

#

in normal gameplay dunking a buff in one fridge plunges it into EVERY fridge

#

and normal gameplay is what most people are doing

#

do not be unrealistic

devout raft
#

You can 2 man the encounter with 0 cheeses

wide ice
#

I'm not though, most of the time people know what they're doing. I've played at least a dozen DSCs in my life without budging lol

#

Again, 4 out of 6 and you're golden lmao

devout raft
#

the augment roles arent even hard either

wide ice
#

I enjoy milking talented raiders

devout raft
#

Operator literally just shoots a panel

frigid hatch
#

again, be realistic lol

devout raft
#

suppressor stands under 3 different balls and shoots the boss once

frigid hatch
#

90% of the playerbase literally can't even clear or do not attempt to do a raid to begin with

devout raft
#

Scanner looks at the 2/4 massively glowing dunk spots

#

None of these take much effort

wide ice
#

the 10% is enough to sustain me, about a thousand players in this server that wants to power through it

dense viper
#

its insane how its 2024 and asking "who else can run" at nez gives crickets

frigid hatch
#

again, be realistic

devout raft
#

all it does is spawn 1 less nuke

frigid hatch
#

then you're cheesing it, because normal gameplay requires operator to push the buttons to drop the nukes

civic kettle
#

making the encounter harder is not cheesing

devout raft
frigid hatch
frigid hatch
sour ermine
#

You guys talking about DSC 3rd encounter?

frigid hatch
#

yeah, so you're doing the fight in a manner that wasn't expected by the developers that still accomplishes it

#

erego, you are cheesing it

devout raft
civic kettle
#

it's literally harder than doing it normally

devout raft
#

There is no cheese, one player just grabs 2 nukes

frigid hatch
sour ermine
devout raft
#

Its just a slight punishment for messing up a mechanic

frigid hatch
#

not literally 2

devout raft
#

womp womp buddy

civic kettle
devout raft
frigid hatch
#

just 'cos you don't like what im saying doesn't make me wrong

devout raft
#

youre pretty funny

frigid hatch
#

sorry you have hurt fee fee's in apropos of nothing

devout raft
#

ill give you that

frigid hatch
#

anyway yeah, newbie advice for a fresh warlock is just look at the raid you wanna do, look what weapons you could consider using for its encounters

#

then just play wellock if you wanna put in minimal effort

#

then just.... learn to do the content from there

scarlet ermine
#

true

wide ice
#

Did you say WARLOCK?

#

Just have WELL and you're gonna do WELL

frigid hatch
#

i mean running DPS lock requires a bit more effort, to be fair

civic kettle
#

literally it's just equip sanguine and dump whatever weapons

frigid hatch
#

which i also stated earlier in a more generalized statement

wide ice
#

If you're failing at DPS in this state of the game idk man

frigid hatch
#

Warlock doesn't really shine until you start getting some dank loot

wide ice
#

As long as you're shooting your heavy at the big bad you're fine

frigid hatch
devout raft
civic kettle
#

lol

frigid hatch
#

most Vow runs you'd find at Rhulk will just keep wiping due to basic mechanic failure -- as easy as they are -- or being unable to LIVE during his DPS phase

#

"uwaaah, dodging Pervading Dawkness is hawd....!! T3T"

peak lion
frigid hatch
#

i can use other anecdotes if you'd like

#

Witness most groups can do the mechanics fine enough but literally nobody can even break a 5 mil damage mark on him in one phase

frigid hatch
#

bro has 20 mill and any individual guardian can easily do 4-6+ mill in a single phase

frigid hatch
civic kettle
#

it's something they'll likely see someone doing

frigid hatch
#

i draw the line at just telling people to to play in such a manner as to expect to simply get carried

#

i want people to be able to carry their own weight

#

we saw an Actium War Rig titan using a SCOUT RIFLE in onslaught the other day

#

we told the guy it doesn't work on Scouts and he immediately took it off for something else -- no it was not Peacekeepers

#

just a tiny bit goes a long way my dudes

wide ice
#

Idk this whole thing seems like a stretch, just know vaguely what to do, pop the big circle where everybody else is going and go about your day

frigid hatch
#

that's why i said go wellock if you wanna put in minimal effort

#

you're still expected to bring a loadout that isn't ass cheeks

#

NOBODY wants to see a bro walk into a raid with a freaking.... god i dunno

#

Suspectum with Chill Clip, and ask if thats fine for DPS

#

literally nobody wants that, so be realistic for christs sake

#

note: not at ANY point have i said it has to be god rolls and super meta loadouts either

#

it just has to be DECENT

wide ice
#

Idk, TLord is free WTF

frigid hatch
#

i'd actually take a god damn Thunderlord over Suspectum

wide ice
#

Well yeah it's free

frigid hatch
#

and it's actually decent

#

it's not good.... it's just not bad either

wide ice
#

Suspectum can roll with Precision Instrument tho, could be good for dps ablobshrug

jagged sage
#

and envious

frigid hatch
#

Linears in their current state are unviable for any raid boss released in the last 3 years

#

it's impressively sad how awful they are right now

#

they were good for more than just your atypical Precision boss once upon a time

#

but Bungo has a track record of not wanting us to have nice things in Destiny 2

#

so just wait.... when you get your perk-weight lifted / fixed your god roll Chill Inhibitor will come

wide ice
#

Last 3 years is a bit of an exaggeration - Cataclysm with BNS was BiS for a spell and that was like 2022-2023

frigid hatch
#

and it'll come with a 40% damage reduction to Heavy GL's

#

"WE AT BUNGIE HAVE NOTICED A TREND IN EXTREME OVERUSAGE OF HEAVY GL's!"

#

"SO WE NERFED THEM INSTEAD OF BUFFING EVERYTHING ELSE WE NERFED ALREADY"

frigid hatch
#

but they are exceptions, not the rule

#

if you want Precision DPS now it's Whisper of the Worm, Still Hunt, Icebreaker, or Microcosm

#

and 1 of those is free content now

#

i hate how many Worm items there are i always get them mixed up

weary fern
#

Worms are disgusting. They wiggle into places where they don't belong and they feed on stuff.

#

Just look up the King Kong Bug Pit scene.

#

If those bugs were real, I'd be packing incendiary weapons.

alpine garnet
jagged sage
alpine garnet
jagged sage
#

its called Honkai Emblem

alpine garnet
jagged sage
compact nova
#

right so halloween event today?

alpine garnet
jagged sage
alpine garnet
jagged sage
#

see if I can add you

alpine garnet
jagged sage
#

literally just logged on to try and add you

blissful scaffold
keen kiln
brazen marsh
#

What is the liturgy pve god roll? I got one with envious arsenal and chill clip but wasnt sure if slideways would be better

pine sedge
#

is speleologist worth getting if i can already make fixed odds

brazen marsh
brazen marsh
#

My vault is full 😉

#

Just farm for the glaive in this upcoming nightfall after reset tomorrow

pine sedge
#

glaive oh no

brazen marsh
#

Must have weapon 😉

#

Triple glaive meta incoming

#

I must find more believers

pine sedge
#

someone cooked here

blissful scaffold
pine sedge
#

i am just now finishing up choir of one catalyst runs 😱

light bone
#

Since its double shot frame does it freeze on one button click?

tranquil nimbus
#

im trying to rank up my gaurdian rank and im stuck on complete pathfinder nodes?

light bone
frigid hatch
#

Triton would go well with the SE raid's glaive as it can roll Chain Reaction

pine sedge
#

i gotta do more SE but all my friends quit playing 😦

frigid hatch
#

the issue is Glaives dont have any frames worth a damn

#

the only glaives you'd actually wanna use are the exotics

#

make a frame that shoots out a bounce / pill-shaped grenade that instantly explodes on contact with an enemy

alpine garnet
#

why tech companies give macbooks to employees only to end up using google docs and meets for work ww2

frigid hatch
#

make a frame that changes the melees attacks into a bunch of jabs like you're using it as a spear instead of a glorified ass-beating stick

sour ermine
frigid hatch
#

or do a frame that has a sweeping attack so it hits mobs in a horizontal arc in front of you

#

like their main issue is their damage is just dummy bad for being useful for killing elite mobs

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and their projectile and kinetic attacks both are god awful at clearing out groups too

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so they can't nuke down a big mob, and they can't clear out large groups (without specified perks, which is why SE's glaive can become actually usable)

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wtf is even their purpose then?

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the exotics are good because it gives them a purpose

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Vexcalibur makes you tanky af, Winterbite just does a TON of damage and its projectile is a large ranged AOE

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make Winterbite's "Weighted Edge" perk for Legendaries but change the name

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do something unique for god damn once and make glaives have a "modular firing type" where you just change a mod and it makes you shoot out a healing shot, a projectile, or a thin barricade

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do ANYTHING for glaives bungie

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the last time glaives got anything though was when Bungie gave us 40 more HP in crucible

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they got nerfed by proxy because now it requires all 3 hits of their combo to kill anybody whereas prior to the HP bump they only needed 2, making them more efficient than default melees

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and comitting to all 3 attacks means you die too because it takes just as long to do all of them as it does to just put out 2 normal, unpowered melee attacks

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i havent really been keeping up with the seasons since like 2022. how come eramis is back and nezerac corrupted mithrax?

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Eramis escaped shortly after we froze her but she promised to behave so we didn't go back to House Salvation to kill her -- we kidnapped her as a ruse to protect House Salvation from Fikrul

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Mithrax used Eliksni alchemy utilizing body parts of Nezerac's corpse to revive Osiris

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just the simple act of touching Nezrac's bones caused Mithrax to become cursed, however, so he is literally slowly transforming into Nezrac

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and the curse is at a critical point now

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And this episode is how we cure Mithrax curse

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without the Servitor pumping Ether into Mithrax he WILL transform into Nezerac very soon

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it's a bit of both, we're fighting back Fikrul from turning ALL fallen into Scorn

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but we're using their dark ether and resources they have to revive research into Eliksni Alchemy

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so we can see if we can find a cure for Mithrax

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if we can't then whelp... he already knows we gotta put a bullet in him and burn the remains

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damn okay

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the reason for Osiris needing to be revived was because he was placed into a magical coma after Savathun stole his body

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i mean bungie even acknowledges it with multiplle items and exotics

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plot holes like swiss cheese

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"it's paracausal i aint gotta explain GYATT"

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if Mithrax gets angry he starts talking in Nezeracs voice too

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like bro is legit on the verge rn

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Everything Osiris touches turns to mid

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i mean there's also the question of why dont we just banish Mithrax from the Last City since he's so close?

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darn

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and there's a pretty simple argument for both sides that could be presented