💬destiny-chat

[frigid hatch]

Prophet has ALL OF THEM

[lofty fjord]

As a warlock player you are already so overpowered you don't need to use weapons. Warlocks needa nerf. Buff titans for once

[charred yacht]

I got other trench barrel shotguns but i guess

[lofty fjord]

But opening shot instead of 1-2p then

[charred yacht]

why would I use opening shot in pve

[frigid hatch]

that's for pvp

Opening Shot is the simple best perk in the game for shotties in pvp

[lofty fjord]

PVP

Even snipers

[rocky geyser]

Did they stop putting QuickDraw on shotguns?

[wanton zodiac]

i'd say closing time just takes over now

[charred yacht]

new perks 😱

[lofty fjord]

It's called handling

[lunar light]

guys does sanguines surges stack with weapon surge mods?

[wanton zodiac]

yeah people were being babies about quickdraw existing on aggressive frame shotties

[frigid hatch]

you can have Threat Detector or Slideways for Prophet in pvp

[wanton zodiac]

it

[frigid hatch]

no, Surges cap at 4x

[lunar light]

ty

[wanton zodiac]

threat is nice but a neutral no nonsense handling buff is insane

[lofty fjord]

Lucky pants

[charred yacht]

all the element surge x number are the same thing never stacks

[wanton zodiac]

i mean me personally i use both threat and closing time

[wanton zodiac]

yes lucky pants

[frigid hatch]

Opening Shot is stronger than Closing Time

[charred yacht]

do my heckin gos raids for my pvp shotgun

[frigid hatch]

Closing Time is 20 Range and a 10% decreased accuracy cone size at its maximum value

[lofty fjord]

And opening shot is...?

[frigid hatch]

math is hard because "special weapons only receive 50% the benefits rounded up"

[viscid crag]

15 range, 13 aa, -2.5% cone size, -5% cone growth

[frigid hatch]

so that'd be 10 Aim Assist, whatever 50% of 25 is, and the cone don't matter

[viscid crag]

also ur never getting to closing times max value on a shotgun

[coarse burrow]

No

[wanton zodiac]

13 range 10 AA, 15 and 13 for enhanced

and yeah accuracy cone size and growth stuff

[lofty fjord]

But opennig shot is one shot. Closing time applies to multiple shots

[wanton zodiac]

i mean

[frigid hatch]

Opening Shot is one shot every 3 seconds

[lofty fjord]

In case you miss, or there's 2 players pushing

[wanton zodiac]

you kinda just wanna have one shot in the mag im not gonna lie

because it has its effect improved as you go lower in the mag linearly

it's honestly a wash/preference which one you wanna use

[lofty fjord]

If I have 1 bullet, isn't that max value?

[wanton zodiac]

ima stick wtih closing time personally toh

[frigid hatch]

that's why light.gg isn't sure yet.... the values get weird for guns with really small mags

[wanton zodiac]

im still so annoyed with this bygones man

me when i forget to actually put the image in

[weary gyro]

high ground

i didnt even know that was a thing

[frigid hatch]

Corrasion for PVE with Frenzy High-Impact Reserves Y/N?

[lofty fjord]

N

Why? It's not even ad clear good

[rocky geyser]

If you stack a reload buff with alloy magazine you get a super fast reload

[lofty fjord]

Controlled burst is the PVE meta

[frigid hatch]

Corrasion is a Pulse Rifle

[weary gyro]

on bygones at least

[lofty fjord]

Oh I thought fusion

[frigid hatch]

oh, warlocks Death's Razor can roll Tireless Whirlwind, time to craft one of these

[lofty fjord]

Tireless?

Don't you want relentless?

[frigid hatch]

did i say Tireless? I mean Relentless

anyway hunter's lightweight gets that too so i gotta roll out that toon and make one for 'em too

titans Throne Cleaver gets Relentless but its damage perks are BUTT

Vorpal basically the best option if you cant keep Surrounded procced

guess my titan will just have to make do with insert appropriate element here sword since Summum, Ill Omen, and Guillotine are the only other swords we look at atm

[weary gyro]

i only have falling guillotine and ill omen for damage

which are used for 1 boss each

[frigid hatch]

i use It Stared Back with Sanguine and Song

the sword from Leviathan is viable for DPS

[weary gyro]

the rocket from leviathan was updated to void

[frigid hatch]

i mean Lament is still strong, people saying it isn't are smoking something weird

[wanton halo]

there’s better options

[frigid hatch]

40k revved hits + 2 extra hits of 4k damage + 130k damage on the finisher of each combo

[weary gyro]

healing and damage both got nerfed

[wanton halo]

lament is only good for atraks after you spent your parasite shot

[weary gyro]

i mostly farm like 5 dungeons and do raids at times so

[frigid hatch]

meanwhile me: using Lament on Ecthar and out DPS'ing the entire squad using other swords

turns out it's fine

[weary gyro]

i used acrius

[frigid hatch]

i need more spoils fordat

dunno if ima get Acrius or Anarchy next but im only missing both of them

[weary gyro]

wait new question atheon damage

warlocks have 1 right answer

[frigid hatch]

i wouldn't without a plan to survive the fact he's a Super Wyvern

oh wait Atheon, not the Spire gooner

[weary gyro]

for spire im never on warlock i swap to hunter

[frigid hatch]

eh, everybody can one phase both bosses nowadays

it's little wonder we have Dungeon bosses with 16 million HP ffs

STILL wish bungo would apply HP scaling so soloing these goobers would just put them at like... i dunno... 8 mil or something

[weary gyro]

gotd and wr boss health were lowered

[frigid hatch]

yes but it shouldn't take 4 god damn hours to beat an entire dungeon solo

and 3 of those hours are just doing the mechanics

[lusty geyser]

spire doesnt take 4 hours to solo 💀

[frigid hatch]

GOTD and WR

[lusty geyser]

ghost is 1 hour max

[weary gyro]

takes like 1 hour each

[frigid hatch]

i just hear net limitting with that jargon

you are not convincing me you're beating Simmumah in a full run solo with her 14 million HP head ass

[weary gyro]

limiters need people to update for them and horseman and duality limiting were patched

[frigid hatch]

without doing something most destiny players simply do not do

[weary gyro]

if you have solo flawless prophecy how long did you take

[frigid hatch]

i have solo flawless GOA

it was a bit over an hour but most of the time spent was unironically ad libbing the last boss

[weary gyro]

takes like 40 min for me

[frigid hatch]

because i hadn't gotten to him before

[weary gyro]

fair

[frigid hatch]

so i kept swapping junk around to see what worked lol

[wanton halo]

Wsp chat

[frigid hatch]

without dying ofc

[weary gyro]

hi random person

[wanton halo]

Damn.

lol

[frigid hatch]

solo'd WR too but that dungeon is just ass

[wanton halo]

Can’t complain I haven’t been active in 8 months

[weary gyro]

i remember farming solo flawless pit and got console world record but @meager hare took it from me

[frigid hatch]

ogre boss can randomly decide "looool no flawless for you bozo" and launch you off the arena with perfect accuracy

[weary gyro]

i remember dying to biting cold trying it

[frigid hatch]

it was legit the boss randomly deciding to become an aimbot on me

then you have Hefnd "NO WHERE IS SAFE" meatball head ass

you just need infinite healing for him

[weary gyro]

i remember solo flawlessing prophecy with no flags (i dont touch dungeons after spire much)

[frigid hatch]

im not even making a half-attempt at VH until they nerf Atraks

a boss should not hit THAT hard and still be an actual aimbot

[weary gyro]

im just sticking with the dungeons i farm

[frigid hatch]

there's also the fact Barrier Servitors on Master will buff mobs through walls

[weary gyro]

i remember seeing that in gms

[frigid hatch]

bungo made a twid about it because so many people were complaining

it's bad.... like that's REALLY bad

[weary gyro]

this is why i stick with throne pit prophecy duality and spire

[frigid hatch]

my memory is poodoo otherwise i'd be more enthusiastic with a Spire attempt

can never remember precisely where every node is

[weary gyro]

my solo flawless took me like an hour and 15 min but it was old

[frigid hatch]

well it doesn't help Spires guns haven't aged well at all

[blissful scaffold]

I died to his snipe sometime while dodge the clone and the lightning. But with right spot, i can tank the sniper shot

[weary gyro]

wilderflight is good

[frigid hatch]

the cheese spot is on top of the nuke bunker during DPS, lightning and the melee mobs literally can't reach it

[frigid hatch]

it is but there's Liturgy now

[weary gyro]

different slots

[frigid hatch]

funny bald Vanguard man has a solar version

[weary gyro]

my main use for wilderflight is surge matching we edge transit for spire

and i dont have wild style

[blissful scaffold]

Show me where it is thou DM plz

[frigid hatch]

it's literally above the nuke bunker

[weary gyro]

its on the top more towards the back

its just easy to slixe off of

[blissful scaffold]

Please dm me the picture or video.

[weary gyro]

ill look

[frigid hatch]

anyway time to wind down, it 7 AM now

dunno where all this energy came from, prolly that 20 minute nap i had when i was waiting for my tuna and rice to cook

[blissful scaffold]

@weary gyro can that spot fit 3 people ?

[tough sable]

yea

[weary gyro]

ill dm picture

[frigid hatch]

Timeworn Wayfarer is a vex-framed tex mechanica scout

idc if it sucks, im keeping one of these around

Heal Clip gonna be goofy as hell when it reloads the way it does

[weary gyro]

this is why craft even thougb i delete all of them

[lofty fjord]

It procs on every bullet insert

[weary gyro]

thats broken

[frigid hatch]

yep

[novel tinsel]

hello gamers whats the best spoils farm nowadays

[weary gyro]

ron first encounter

[frigid hatch]

doesnt work anymore

[tough sable]

broken and slept on

[novel tinsel]

if it doesn't work what is the go to for spoils now

[weary gyro]

since when

[blissful scaffold]

Thanks

[lofty fjord]

In the VH dungeon blue room, there's a weird panel behind a pillar. I've tried to hit it from the side where 2 dunks are but can't. Is there a workaround?

[frigid hatch]

Salvation's Edge first encounter spamming

[blissful scaffold]

When salv edge enter the game

[tough sable]

vow secret chest ron secret chest last wish secret chest , each time gives u 5 spoils i do it on all 3 characters eveery week

or farming the witness

[frigid hatch]

bungo "fixed" spoil farming because of how ridiculously fast we were farming them from RON

[lofty fjord]

You can get like 30 spoils without doing any encounters as long as you can oob

[frigid hatch]

so you can ONLY get spoils from current raid on Re-Clears

[weary gyro]

idk se yet

[frigid hatch]

you'll get 5 from secret chjests and 3 for First-Clears on most older raids

[lofty fjord]

Just doing Vog opening encounter is guaranteed 15 spoils

Garden oob you can loot both secret chests

[frigid hatch]

yeah every week me and a couple buds have been going through Vog, Vow, and Crota for 65 spoils

[lofty fjord]

Vow first secret chest

Crota too yeah first bridge then get secret chest

[weary gyro]

its possible to get the one after caretaker but its really hard

[frigid hatch]

Vault first encounter + secret chest, then VoW first secret chest, then Crota Abyss secret chest

we do Vault's opening because you can STILL loot its chest on your other toons

[weary gyro]

if you really good at oob dsc second chest and vow second chest are possible

[frigid hatch]

i wanna do DSC flawless so no oobing for me

[weary gyro]

just block spawn with stasis crystals and jump off the map

[lofty fjord]

Yeah vault opens 2 chests. 3 characters that's 30 spoils just for one encounter

[tough sable]

flawless dsc sucks

trio at least

[frigid hatch]

it only sucks when people wont communicate their jobs

[meager hare]

[weary gyro]

i havent gotten to work yet

[frigid hatch]

and Atraks

people weirdly just can not do DPS to atraks for some reason

[weary gyro]

do you have flawless dsc yet

[frigid hatch]

like bro you just Fast-Super then Parasite....???

or Parasite into Fast-Super

[frigid hatch]

nope, i can't trust myself to do the sparrow segment without dying yet

[weary gyro]

super then parasite

[meager hare]

tbh 12:02 is really easy to beat imo i was just farming solo flawless clears when i did it

[frigid hatch]

literally everywhere else im cool with

[frigid hatch]

depends on the super

[weary gyro]

i still dont have prismatic debuffing thing

[frigid hatch]

BB hunter parasites then immediately casts it

[weary gyro]

i do the same for all 3 characters

nova bomb/thundercrash/blade barrage parasite

[frigid hatch]

it's the same for most supers luckily, yeah

[weary gyro]

im just glad i dont have to fit any surges

[frigid hatch]

i feel like if i ever do DSC flawless it'd be by accident

[weary gyro]

do you want to go for it this weekend i could help

[frigid hatch]

i could do to just farm the raid in general anyway though.... my titan and warlock are missing armor

i have the memory of a goldfish, i just need to pick a day to go in and practice whatever method ima do Desolation with

[weary gyro]

after i get duo flawless dsc and a good speedrun time im not touching it again

[frigid hatch]

Desolation being the sparrow bit

[weary gyro]

i could do it for you if we try flawless

[frigid hatch]

if you "pull" people that instantly fails Flawless

because of the act of making people respawn

[weary gyro]

it doesnt

it doesnt do that it only counts if people die

@slow lark duo flaw dsc when

[frigid hatch]

might do to just speedrun and let them skull drag me through first encounter then

[hallow wasp]

did flawless dsc during craftening

[frigid hatch]

i'm disgusted

[hallow wasp]

craftening guns didn't do much but the event made people lfg for flawless raids in the first place

so finding a team was actually doable via lfg

[weary gyro]

i beat all my craftening times/lowmans

[frigid hatch]

the Craftening emblem was pretty nice though, my hunter's using it rn

[hallow wasp]

I just enjoyed that people actually lfged for flawless

I did flawless gos legit though so that's the only one id ego

[weary gyro]

i need to get trio flawless but no team

[hallow wasp]

pain

I did it with full fireteam

found a group who were doing all seal triumphs and flawless in the same day

[weary gyro]

and trio flawless kf i need it but last time i tried my team was lacking on damage

[frigid hatch]

lowmans and normal composition both have perks and downsides to trying to flawless crap

[weary gyro]

took me 3 tries

[weary gyro]

i really only speedrun dungeons and vog

lowmans sometimes

my only loss is playing d2

[coarse burrow]

real

[weary gyro]

i mean my aunt slammed my head on accident but close enough

[hallow wasp]

I love glimmer cap being 500k while guns cost 20-50k to focus

[weary gyro]

i dont farm for things from dungeons much

[hallow wasp]

I should farm for the fusion for pvp

but also zealots reward

[coarse burrow]

chill inhibitor

[weary gyro]

edge transit

[frigid hatch]

tfw my warlock would NEVER see Chill Inhibitor because Sanguine and their Stasis super are a big fat nope

[weary gyro]

i need an opinion of should i lfg prophecy or a different dungeon or vog

[coarse burrow]

vog is dead unfortunately

[weary gyro]

the surge mods in question

[lethal hawk]

Bruh can’t even sit in the enclave for 10 seconds without getting error code .-.

[wanton halo]

or, don’t use sanguine

[weary gyro]

@hasty cobalt

[wanton halo]

and uhm, use a star eater bond

[coarse burrow]

hi harpy

[weary gyro]

he died i think

last time i talked to him was se day 1

[coarse burrow]

after contest vesper i dont blame him

[weary gyro]

30 hours down the drain for me (i had to stop early because i had to leave somewhere)

[coarse burrow]

RIP, sorry to hear that

[charred yacht]

crafting gamers vindicated over the past 24 hours 😎

[weary gyro]

i just stick with my 5 dungeons and vog

[charred yacht]

if the trials rocket was adaptive/aggressive how good would it be guys

[coarse burrow]

would i have better luck looking for vog full runs or if ppl joined at templar

[swift berry]

Hezen Vengeance will have envious arsenal next season

[charred yacht]

I mean you dont really need a full fireteam to do vog do you?

[weary gyro]

other rockets are better

[coarse burrow]

potentially really good if it has e arsenal

[hallow wasp]

gos taking a full year after lw to get craftable and vog getting it the season after is the worst upset yet

[coarse burrow]

no but im too lazy/bad to attempt solo templar

[weary gyro]

just trio farm

[weary gyro]

i took like 15 min to do solo no inf cleanse

[hallow wasp]

vog clear farm pepega

[swift berry]

yeah maybe they were waiting for the meta to change and enough new perks to be out

[hallow wasp]

nah

[eager whale]

can i always randomly get random deepsight weapons from the VH dungeon?

[hallow wasp]

the gos reprisal just fell too hard on the backburner

[coarse burrow]

dont i need a timer or something like that

[hallow wasp]

I'm happy it's out but it was damn close to taking too long to come out

[charred yacht]

bro just looking at old weapons and the popularity of perk combos is breaking my mind

[hallow wasp]

outlaw rampage

[weary gyro]

thats for challenge

[coarse burrow]

oh yeahhhhhh

[weary gyro]

@midnight glade we got work to do

[weary gyro]

what if we farm trios

[coarse burrow]

i'd be down at some point

[weary gyro]

still need my sub 20

[worthy bay]

i keep on farming on vespers dungeon drop still same why is that?

[weary gyro]

@wanton halo

[weary gyro]

bad luck

[tough sable]

zide😭😭😭

[charred yacht]

dont farm it anymore

[worthy bay]

i dont play destiny 2

[charred yacht]

90% sure some stuff is cooked rn

[weary gyro]

he begged me to do prophecy yesterday

[tough sable]

W muslim

[tough sable]

wait who was the other half of lucky10p was it freaking gernader jake😭

[weary gyro]

i remember doing a wish with jake

[tough sable]

jake has gone insane

[weary gyro]

i just noticed i have 2 kf roles in here

ron sorry

[tough sable]

i know what y r..

[odd bridge]

Hey guys can I do all vault puzzles for outbreak perfected in one run?

[wanton halo]

@fathom idol @viscid crag hiii

[charred yacht]

I think so?

[odd bridge]

Cool then I need to do 3 runs of god forsaken mission 1 for vaults 1 for switches and one for clear

[lofty fjord]

Star eater X6 with glacial quake is 70% buff right? With synthos it is 50% buff right?

[weary gyro]

yes

[placid sinew]

Just do them on normal

You don't have to do it on Expert like the catalyst ones

[odd bridge]

Can't do switches on normal description says to activate them on expert vault puzzles of course I'll do on normal

[placid sinew]

Neat

Should I try doing GoTD on master difficulty or nah

[charred yacht]

we're scraping rolls gamers

helping the cause rn

[real verge]

hey all, Mr Godslayer here. talk around town theres been some perk weighting. seems interesting enough

could be that there are 2 rapid randomNum calls in the code, causing the algorithm to select the same number twice resulting in some perks being more common

[drifting ivy]

good morning yall

[charred yacht]

I mean there is no way to know unless you have the code lol

[real verge]

yeah but it could be that something with how theyre seeding rolls isnt changing enough to modify the values, whether it needs to be incremented or what

[charred yacht]

theres a million different things it could be idk

[willow grotto]

apparently the distance between the 2 perks within the API is what influences the roll

[real verge]

yeah, ive seen that theory. again nothing is 100% certain

[willow grotto]

the further apart, the lower the chance of the combo (also, the perks are more like wheels instead of columns, so the first perk on column 1 and the last perk on column 4 are only 1 perk apart)

one thing seems more or less empirically confirmed, though. The perk distribution seems to always follow the same pattern

[real verge]

well thats just like the abstraction of the problem, thats not whats actually happening underneath

like why does it seem to favor perks that are in the same position

in different arrays

maybe theyre based and do DLL

[dusty kestrel]

Because computers are not random

This is 100% not an intentional pattern

[urban compass]

computers can be pretty random sometimes

[wide drift]

Anyone that actually plays warlock and hunter can you tell me good rolls to go for on relativism and solipsism? For example, is inmost light verity better or worse than osmiomancy verity?

[dusty kestrel]

They can be but you can't materialise true randomness

[real verge]

I... am Godslayer

[charred yacht]

we can make stuff random enough to the point it doesnt matter lol

[urban compass]

slobplayer

[charred yacht]

maybe if ur doing some insane stuff

[wind bronze]

unstoppable force meets immovable object

[real verge]

but yeah like it could be how system time is used to seed and since the random functions are called at the exact same time, system time doesnt change

[dusty kestrel]

Plus tbh this whole perk debate on weapons is next to pointless

[real verge]

cuz the functions are probably being executed within like 1000s of picoseconds

[wide drift]

Anyone that actually plays warlock and hunter can you tell me good rolls to go for on relativism and solipsism? For example, is inmost light verity better or worse than osmiomancy verity?

[urban compass]

yeah it is bc you as players are speculating on hyperbolae

[dusty kestrel]

Inmost/caliban + liars on hunter and star eater apotheosis on warlock

[charred yacht]

osmio got nerfed and its just kinda meh now imo, something funny is that snap will always make the hoil go to x2

and the scorch ticks will constantly refresh the duration

[wide drift]

so basically caliban/inmost + liar, star eater aptheosis and inmost light verity? or is there some more "absolute" cookie cutter solipsism rolls

[dusty kestrel]

Inmost/caliban and cyrtarachne is also good for some gm stuff on hunter

[real verge]

isnt the osmio nerf just to the exotic itself?

[wide drift]

so what do you say i should focus

[charred yacht]

inmost + stareater is what people mainly go after

[meager flower]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-malenia-blade-of-miquella-dance-celebrate-gif-18426070611688196185

[wide drift]

but stareater is useless when there is no dps right?

[urban compass]

dont listen to these goobers uninstall

[charred yacht]

they didnt like how like vortex was generating energy

[dusty kestrel]

If there is no dps you don't use the exotic bond on warlock

[real verge]

aw damn, yeah you were generating so much energy off 1 nade throw

[charred yacht]

if ur not doing dps its best to just not use the class item on warlock

[wide drift]

iyou use getaway artist?

[dusty kestrel]

Warlock has much better neutral exotics outside on the bond

[dusty kestrel]

Mostly

[real verge]

i ran like Osmio and Sythoceps on Warlock

[wide drift]

i understand

[urban compass]

osmio verity still strong

[real verge]

the teleport melee with synthoceps was fun in lower end content

[charred yacht]

I like hoil + syntho

[wide drift]

isnt verity good? also, for hunter basically melee builds are the "meta" right?

[charred yacht]

you can pretend ur warlock is consecration titan

[urban compass]

osmio strong for ovid nades and prismatic with verity thats about it

[willow grotto]

osmiomancy is just a no brainer

use grenade to get grenade

[wide drift]

i do have an inmost light verity roll at the moment, wondering if its worth looking for osmio or just look for a good star eater one

[charred yacht]

I never saw the hype for the osmio class item idk

[willow grotto]

and if you're using coldsnaps on prismatic, you can get them back almost instantly

[wide drift]

worth enough that i should attune tu osmoi over star eateR?

[willow grotto]

why not both?

[urban compass]

osmio verity is meant for void nades

[wide drift]

i cant attune both

[willow grotto]

the roll i use is osmio + star eater

[urban compass]

if using coldsnaps youre doing it wrong

[willow grotto]

i use coldsnaps to pair it with ice breaker

freeze a group, get the entire nade back because of osmio, then explode them all in a single shot that gets refunded cuz frozen target

[urban compass]

mid

[charred yacht]

using the class item for the sake of using the class item

[dusty kestrel]

^

[wide drift]

with icebreaker?

[dusty kestrel]

People get way too excited about the class item for no good reason sometimes

[willow grotto]

yeah, ice breaker

[wide drift]

could be good... either way on hutner liar seems to be the goto focus?

[charred yacht]

if you just use regular osmio you actually get your coldsnaps back lol

[dusty kestrel]

Yeah liar

[willow grotto]

also, i use the class item because i use nova bomb as my super, so i also get the buffed super

[charred yacht]

instead of like 30% energyu

[willow grotto]

sir, i already get the entire nade back with the class item

unless i hit like, 1 single enemy

[charred yacht]

🤔 I dont think so

[willow grotto]

no like, i know for a fact that i do because that's the build i use for onslaught

[charred yacht]

maybe I am missing something then

[iron sinew]

me personally i wouldn't let someone question my game knowledge 🤫

[willow grotto]

throw the coldsnap at a cabal pod, instantly get it back

[iron sinew]

that's just me tho

[dusty kestrel]

Who are you

[iron sinew]

i own this cord

[charred yacht]

hes the goat

[willow grotto]

and the best part is that, because you're on prismatic, if the enemy groups are too small to get the entire nade back from osmio, devour is there to finish the job

[charred yacht]

or you could just use regular osmio and 1 enemy will give you your whole grenade

[willow grotto]

but then you don't get star eater nova

[charred yacht]

in onslaught 🤔

[dusty kestrel]

And why do you need it

Nova already oneshots anything that isn't a raid boss

[willow grotto]

deletes barrier champs before they can put their barrier up

[urban compass]

🤦

[iron sinew]

we locked in chat

[willow grotto]

this is also the build i use for... well... basically everything

never let me down

[iron sinew]

well of radiance reference

[willow grotto]

i took off the well for good, and you can't make me do it again

[dusty kestrel]

Nobody can force you to use a good super

It's like forcing someone to learn at school, not possible

[charred yacht]

well is overated tbh now

were past contest mode gamers

[willow grotto]

that implies that nova bomb is not a good super, also well is mid now

[keen kiln]

it is with great pleasure that i inform u all that im probably gunna quit destiny

[dusty kestrel]

Unless you're loadout swapping well is still the best dps super

[charred yacht]

halloween event tho

[willow grotto]

see you in 2 weeks!

[keen kiln]

boring game tho

[willow grotto]

well exists for a single reason now: Ignoring the anomaly storm in vesper's host

[keen kiln]

destiny brings no joy

[willow grotto]

and maybe simmumah because F that boss

[peak lion]

brug.

[charred yacht]

I hit like 5 enemies with 1 storm nade and get 30% of my grenade back with osmio class

kinda op guys

[dusty kestrel]

You're delusional

[charred yacht]

so mean

[willow grotto]

i have no idea why, but osmiomancy class item gives way less energy back with every other nade that isn't coldsnap

[peak lion]

but you didnt say wrong...

[willow grotto]

like, go ahead and try it

[urban compass]

its meant to be used with void

[alpine tiger]

net ease the makers of destiny rising made this game https://youtu.be/o17lBUZgjTs

[willow grotto]

if you use a void nade on a group, wouldn't it be easier and faster to get the energy back via devour

[urban compass]

ur not listening

[willow grotto]

like, i use osmio with void nades, but most of the energy comes back from devour

[charred yacht]

i've tried it with everything its all bad (scientificly proven)

[willow grotto]

sir, idk what to tell you, coldsnaps get the energy back

[left palm]

Im gonna brown

[charred yacht]

I got it to work

80% energy 😎

[light arrow]

Coldsnap has separate return values from the rest of the grenade options

[blissful scaffold]

99% energy

[blissful scaffold]

So people wont abuse it

[real verge]

hey there guys, Mr Godslayer here

[blissful scaffold]

WHERE IS ZENNY

[real verge]

Zenny is being inducted into my Godslayer Corps. Training regiment

[light arrow]

Not to mention osmio still improves coldsnaps with better tracking and further seeker distance

[real verge]

Me and Zenny just happened to have the same pfp cuz we know what peak is

[light arrow]

So despite it working with other grenades, it still a coldsnap favoring exotic trait

[urban compass]

talking about osmio on class item tho

[willow grotto]

the class item still buffs coldsnap's reach btw

[light arrow]

.

[real verge]

ngl im a Coldsnap fan for PvE stuff. I use it in most Prismatic builds i make

[raven token]

https://tenor.com/view/zesty-sonic-zesty-sonic-yum-scrumptious-gif-450341359401087919

[real verge]

oh my boy is here

[blissful scaffold]

@real verge @raven token WAIT THERE ARE TWO

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-impostor-your-the-impostor-imposter-among-us-its-you-gif-18664093

[real verge]

yeah we know what peak is CAIT SITH 🗣️

uhhhh can we get a CAIT SITH sweep in chat

[real verge]

i love my lil guy

[light arrow]

Coward

[real verge]

me?? a godslayer?? a coward!??

[drifting ivy]

😨

[real verge]

grrrrr, youre making me go MANGO MANGO MANGO

[drifting ivy]

balkan rage ah

[real verge]

STILL WATER THOSE WHO KNOW 💀

[drifting ivy]

😨

[real verge]

I LIKE MY BOYS STINKY BRUH

[drifting ivy]

MANGO MANGO

MANGO

[real verge]

MANGO MANGO MANGO

[drifting ivy]

me when i slide to stasis wall for the millionth time

(blue crayons galore)

[drifting ivy]

OI OI OIIIIII

[real verge]

BAKA

get rekted

[drifting ivy]

BAKA

[real verge]

as a Godslayer main, i wouldnt have done that

[drifting ivy]

so not sigma skibidi of me

[neat gulch]

what is good destiny chat

[drifting ivy]

WAZZAA

[neat gulch]

what brings you to the destiny lfg server general chat at 7am

[drifting ivy]

idk bruh just vibin

😀

[neat gulch]

fair enough

[drifting ivy]

heavy ammo brick

[neat gulch]

🧱

normal brick

[drifting ivy]

😢

[blissful scaffold]

Mango my bango

[real verge]

im working on school work

[drifting ivy]

🥭

[blissful scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/bingo-bango-yay-yeah-mr-iglesias-gif-17557820

[drifting ivy]

😀

[frigid magnet]

Brother for the love of god hop off

[real verge]

its not that deep, im just sitting at my desk looking at cpu stuff

[frigid magnet]

It's that deep for you

[frigid magnet]

The rage bait has gotten to a point of pity

[tired oriole]

r u good

[tough sable]

omg

[drifting ivy]

😨

dang

[tired oriole]

omg

[real verge]

lol bro is so schizo he thinks he has Godslayer 🤣 🤣

[tired oriole]

ok

[frigid magnet]

This man was yapping about something godslayer yesterday, I hop on today he's still talking about it

I'm concerned about bro

[real verge]

yeah cuz im Mr. Godslayer

[frigid magnet]

Have u brushed your teeth today

[charred yacht]

ok guys but we all know I am the real godslayer

[real verge]

im drinking coffee

[frigid magnet]

real

[real verge]

im 2 days into gooning and im 3 edges behind, all my friends they call me sigma but ive been on my mewing grind

[cyan anchor]

🥺

[drifting ivy]

[patent pecan]

Dude this has to be an alt account💀

[drifting ivy]

😭

[quartz talon]

when is the halloween event happening?

[real verge]

Last rizzday night, yeah we rizzed up all the gyatts and we griddied on the opps, think we streamed but i got doxed

[drifting ivy]

😨

[real verge]

last rizzday night, yeah we readied up our squads and ate feastable bars, ishowspeed jumped over cars

last rizzday night, we went streaming with John Pork, livvy rizzed up baby gronk then we cancelled eminem

[next nebula]

Is the pathfinder set gonna be on rotation next week ?

For dares

[light arrow]

Hardly anyone keeps up with the dares loot rotations

[drifting ivy]

i love sliding into stasis walls and get x8 frost armor

[patent pecan]

I love only grinding for less than 2 hours and getting godroll stasis gl

😎

[drifting ivy]

real

[weary gyro]

i love barely touching the dungeon and having the perfect void budget witherhoard

[patent pecan]

Same

I got mine really fast actually

[weary gyro]

should i beat acheron with acheron colors

[weary gyro]

me too

like 3rd clear

[real verge]

i got mine fast too, its pretty good at orb gen

[patent pecan]

“Pretty good” bro you shoot it and it spawns like 10 orbs in 2 seconds 😭

[light arrow]

it's like 3 at most

[real verge]

yeah i used it last night in GoS Trio Flaw (im a Godslayer btw) and it constantly creaing 2-3 orbs a volley

[weary gyro]

ew gos

[blazing fox]

this is the wrong opinion hope this helps 👍

[weary gyro]

im only going to touch gos for my tags then never again

[supple plume]

Is there a reason wicked implement is not working with anti barrier artifact?

[light arrow]

the gos hate will persist

[compact nova]

gos is a 6 man strike

[blazing fox]

people that hate gos just turn out to be lower tier players

never fails

[light arrow]

opinions are outlawed by this one

[compact nova]

you looked up my rr didnt you

lol

[blazing fox]

that’s fan behaviour if i’m in a lobby i might guardian report myself and pull the team

[real verge]

I’m a Godslayer

[full knot]

whats a decent dps build for hunter (just looking for subclass/exotic)

[paper hawk]

I just saw the new For Honor collab but is Destiny getting anything?

[weary gyro]

its easy but i dont like it because most brain damaged lfgs

its either that or i get egoed by farmers

[weary gyro]

golden gun nighthawk

or star eater blade barrage

[full knot]

ofc it is lol

the same the meta has been for ages

[thorn tulip]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[dusk verge]

im new to the game. what key is bleak watcher turrets?

[lusty geyser]

hold your nade button

[dusk verge]

ty

[real verge]

Sogeking top 3 Haki users

[mellow quarry]

guys do we have way to use the wardclife coil heavy with auto reload on titan ?

[wanton halo]

only way i use the coil is either double arc reload mods or ROF warlock

[mellow quarry]

no with warlock easy no need to arc relo

[wanton halo]

as i said

[paper hawk]

Top 2 and not 2 🤑🤑🤑

[wanton halo]

OR Rain of fire lock

the double arc reloaders is for hunter/titan

and even then dodge to reload

[eager crypt]

hi, how can I unlock Encore exotic mission ? All I read on google is to start the previous season quest, which is not possible anymore

[midnight gazelle]

Is step 9 of rouge network not working? I can't focus the class item even though I'm meant to

[lusty geyser]

crucible suspension cuz i got cat error gj bungo

[mellow quarry]

this is not with titan

[wanton halo]

im convinced you dont read

[charred yacht]

whats not working

[midnight gazelle]

I can't get the operator to spawn in the room with the chest. I have the step to focus it as well

[charred yacht]

did you shoot the 2 panels after first and the 2 panels after 2nd encs? it makes the top 4 of the panels in the chest room light up

I kinda feel like there was something else you had to do to make op spawn but I cant remember

[wheat ingot]

is the artifice armor in vespers worth farming the oob thingy in master??

[charred yacht]

my guess is no but idk

[midnight gazelle]

I've not, just tried going straight to it on a fresh run after speaking to spider

[blissful scaffold]

Eh, master grasp fair better

[charred yacht]

yea theres 4 panels you have to shoot to make the chest work im sure theres images if you google it

or a vid or something

[willow grotto]

vox obscura makes me want to hang myself by the nuts

[wheat ingot]

maybe my rng will be epic doing it in master and i'll get the env+bns heave gl lol 😄

[willow grotto]

genuinely the worst mission in this game

[blissful scaffold]

@willow grotto which part ?

[willow grotto]

everything

specially the opening

[chilly steppe]

Damn. That’s just.. harsh.

[blissful scaffold]

@willow grotto especially the opening. Ah yes the kill everything quick before timer

[willow grotto]

gotta love the enemy interceptor 2 shotting you, while it takes like 12 shots to destroy

[blissful scaffold]

That is why i done everything on that Vox Obscura mission

[blissful scaffold]

More like u need to kill the driver

[chilly steppe]

Vox can suck my Obscura

[slim bolt]

chat what do we think about the drop weighting

[chilly steppe]

Don’t know what you’re talking about

[slim bolt]

lol ill dm

[chilly steppe]

My DMs are closed

[slim bolt]

ah nvm, so basically drops in d2 are weighted unintentional (?) which leads to us getting some perk combos much more than other perk combos

[willow grotto]

i also love how ramming the tank with the interceptor 1 shots it, but only sometimes

[chilly steppe]

I think Bungie recently said something about that not being a thing

[civic kettle]

shoot the pilot

[charred yacht]

look at the mossymax duder on twitter sht is unreal

[willow grotto]

not exactly easy to do, but even if i manage, it's also not easy to deal with literally everything else

the entire mission is just... why

if anything should've been vaulted, it's this

[slim bolt]

yea but their code is messy half the time

[lusty geyser]

vox obscrura is easier than old lake of shadows

[slim bolt]

i did go through it all lmao, its disgusting how bad we have been fked by bungie

[charred yacht]

wouldnt be the first time bungie just lied/was clueless

[slim bolt]

ye theyre just clueless imo

[chilly steppe]

As far as perks goes, it’s just RNG. But yea their code is bad, that’s what happens when a game is 6 or so years old like D2 is and they keep taking things in and out the game

[charred yacht]

nah this level of code bad means theres def an error some where

[slim bolt]

its not "just rng"

[charred yacht]

rng is not that bad

[slim bolt]

x.com/mossy_max/status/1849283836619678135

1/454 chance to get envars + bns LMAO

fk bungie on god

[charred yacht]

percent of a percent 😎

[slim bolt]

wdym u dont like 0.2% drop chance? yall wanted the grind

ty bungie for the grind

[charred yacht]

all the people saying "computers cant do real random" makes me want to explode

bro were are like 100 degrees of magnitude off

[slim bolt]

🔥 we love bungie being dogsht

[livid pagoda]

Yes

Crafting sux 🔥

[charred yacht]

brought the weapon chase back 🙏

I can't believe people dont want to grind 454 gls

casuals fr man

[slim bolt]

it took me 2 years to get godroll hothead 🔥

[charred yacht]

🔥

[slim bolt]

and we had apex by then 😭

they should do perk focsuing for everything

[willow grotto]

amazing. Now the quest bugs out and one of the towers had its shield still up after breaking all 3 generators

that's enough of that BS. No pinnacle is worth that much of a headache

[safe dawn]

I've noticed it seems Banes aren't completely RNG. I get Meteors, Drain, and Mines all the time but I've only seen Healing once

[slim bolt]

vox is god awful i never do that bs

[willow grotto]

i've seen healing, shocking and draining a lot

[thorn tulip]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[willow grotto]

mines, almost never

[safe dawn]

@willow grotto weird I see Mines so often I'm sick of it becos that one is kind of boring

[light arrow]

back to it

[safe dawn]

Drain is kind of OP and scary to come across

The range is crazy

I haven't tested it but it seems like Drain won't kill you though, just bring you to 1 HP

[hard wigeon]

Does anyone know how to focus farm ignition code?

[willow grotto]

with the tonic for it

[snow totem]

When pinnacles drop, does the game take into account the highest LL of stuff in your vault and on other characters?

I know account wide power is a thing now, but jw

[hard wigeon]

That’s not the world kinetic tonic correct? Assuming you can unlock a specific one for it?

[willow grotto]

ye

[charred yacht]

the seasonal gl is a better slideshot blinding gl if thats what you want

[lusty geyser]

you get the specific ones after you make the low ones

[willow grotto]

yes but ignition code is a classic

i got the god roll from a random engram from Xûr a couple of weeks ago lmao

the season 14 version, i mean

[slim bolt]

yes

[real verge]

hey all, godslayer here

just took my first shower of the month

[willow grotto]

do it stank

[floral falcon]

is festival of the lost today ?

[wicked crow]

is cloudstrike in the Exotic Vault?

[willow grotto]

nope. Gotta do master empire hunts

[bleak loom]

since when did they release events on thursdays lol? nah it releases next weekly reset.

[floral falcon]

idk anymore. The dungeon dropped on thursday as well

[blazing fox]

that has nothing to do with the activity itself that has to do with the community

[bleak loom]

raids and dungeons are different

[slim bolt]

29th

[tired valley]

Why can't I unlock dual destiny? I killed all the 3 wizards in every overthrow, Went to the retraction and interacted with the mote of light.

Literally nothing shows up

[hallow wasp]

dungs and raids release on Friday daily reset

[weary gyro]

its more of association

[tired valley]

Anyone?

[blazing fox]

correct

[blazing fox]

#1022483378710265866

[blissful scaffold]

@bleak loomhi eva

[bleak loom]

hiiii!

[blissful scaffold]

Is that your first time doing it ?

[wicked crow]

Difficulty doesn't matter for cloudstrike it's rare regardless

[blissful scaffold]

speedrun Empire hunt will grant you the Cloudstrike faster

[wicked crow]

i've been doing that for hours

[chilly steppe]

Why you gotta lie to the man. lol

[tired valley]

no im trying to unlock it but ive literally did everything a guide has told me to do, nothing happened

[bleak loom]

yea dont do master hunts. just do the easiest ones a bunch of times. kinda rare drop.

[chilly steppe]

You don’t have to do them on master at all, I got mine doing normal difficulty.

Cloudstrike is an RNG drop from any difficulty Empire Hunt. Took me over 100 runs to get it. Only for me to delete it right after, just wanted it for the collections badge

[willow grotto]

it only took me 1 hunt lmao

[light arrow]

mob this guy

[willow grotto]

and i don't even use it

[lost island]

Last I heard, the droprate was buffed. Before the buff, it was 5% or something, so not too terrible but ye

I decided to do like 5 runs a day at most until it dropped, got it somewhere around the 15 mark, so lucky

[chilly steppe]

Oooo a 5% increase lol

[lost island]

No, before the buff it was 5%.

idk if/what the buff was but I remember hearing it was substantial

Could be wrong though, haven't thought about that gun for a while.

[chilly steppe]

Ah. But still I know the drop rate is still ass , since I still see people asking why it won’t drop lol.

[deep dune]

Meow

[chilly steppe]

It’s funny when people think it’s a promised drop vs RNG

[lost island]

Given the whole weighted perk fiasco, I wouldn't doubt if it wasn't actually 5%

[frozen swift]

Wait so perks being weighted is confirmed?

I knew rng was funky

[chilly steppe]

No, it’s just assumed

[frozen swift]

It certainly feels like certain perks are weighted on weapons

[normal garden]

Perkgate is real

[lost island]

Yeah those numbers were very sus, kinda crazy tbh

[livid pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/the-what-what-did-you-say-what-was-that-what-huh-gif-17056556

[edgy creek]

yes it is

and its not new, its been there for years, probably since forsaken tbh

out of iver 800 unending tempests i got only 1 demo headstone so i think i can confidently confirm this crap

what i wanna know if there is weight on armor/weapon drops cuz i swear every time i do gotd its like i walk into clothing store

[lost island]

Correction: I think they stated 2-3 days ago that there was no weighting, but more numbers came out since then*

[bleak loom]

this cooould be true but so far we have absolutely 0 evidence at all that it has been around longer than just this season afaik

[edgy creek]

theres a very basic argument against this tho

why WOULDNT they do it before?

[bleak loom]

does that argument contain proof?

because between forsaken and now there have been many many many sought after weapons, and the chance that nobody noticed it for 5 years is kinda absurd.

[patent pecan]

Confirmed by testing

I’m one of the few lucky people who got envious bns

[chilly steppe]

All that shows is your RNG table nothing more

[patent pecan]

With spike grenades

[edgy creek]

kyptolith lure legit had perk weights

that was season of hunt iirc

[bleak loom]

same

[patent pecan]

Idk man

[patent pecan]

No spike💀 spike for u

[bleak loom]

if you're going to argue with me at least learn to spell. easiest win of all time

[patent pecan]

How many clears did it take anyways ev

[lost island]

I cannot speak for other guns, only this season's Chill Inhibitor

[patent pecan]

Yeah that’s the only gun we should be crying about

[tough sable]

😥

[patent pecan]

Most other guns are kinda eh even if bungie did add perk weighting to them

[bleak loom]

the sample size of official data is thousands of drops wide by now.

[edgy creek]

its all spelled correctly bru

[patent pecan]

Prolly in the millions now

[bleak loom]

cryptolith is with a c

[patent pecan]

Thousands of people grinding first for it

[bleak loom]

i just mean from newo's site specifically because it is actually one official database

[edgy creek]

well dam youre correct

[patent pecan]

Ah gotcha

[edgy creek]

still, spelling police moment

[patent pecan]

??

You lost because spelling mistake

[lost island]

Although, I did farm over 100 different hawkmoons

I wish I could remember the dupe drops

[chilly steppe]

Juts for tht, I shall spill incerrectly for a while just to irritate you.

[bleak loom]

thanks

[lost island]

That one was close to what was expected. I calced a 1% ish chance of getting the one I wanted and it took 120 runs, so not terribly far off.

[gray widget]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288958167950168087/1298144845440745472/1021.gif

[chilly steppe]

Know problerm

[frigid magnet]

Real

[edgy creek]

Diana Madeline Voyer said: theres no mechanism in the code of the engine to weight perk drops on a weapon. items can be weighted iirc but individual pers cant

[worthy bay]

is twid coming out today?

[lost island]

yeah, the running theory is that certain combos of perks are weighted, but not individual perks

[edgy creek]

cat post pics in chat :C

[gray widget]

I believe bungie. I think people are coping about this like crazy.

[bleak loom]

well considering it exists, they obviously didnt know that it happened, and therefore it wasnt intentional.

[edgy creek]

why tho

[lost island]

it could be haha, that would be pretty funny

[bleak loom]

it wouldnt make sense for them to lie about it coz like why would they? tons of games throttle/weigh their drops so why would bungie hide it if it wasnt intentional

[edgy creek]

they throttled exp back in CoO remember

[edgy creek]

player retention

[gray widget]

It is also impossible to write a truly randomized generator (perks) in code so we could be experiencing the worst of it

[bleak loom]

especially because one of the devs who spoke about perks not being weighted has already been fired. why would they lie?

[edgy creek]

i mean its honestly THAT simple of an answer

[left tulip]

Hey, someone knows if Do you need to do the quest with all characters to obtain the class items?

[lost island]

probably just a mistake if anything

[gray widget]

Statistics aren’t always even too. There is always an upper and lower end of any distribution

[real verge]

FE!N FE!N FE!N

[real verge]

hey there. Mr. Godslayer here

[tired oriole]

feen feen feen

[bleak loom]

that exaplains why they would weigh perks, not why they would lie about it, and not why they would systematically weigh perks based on what order they are coded onto the gun.

[gray widget]

My theory is that the people collecting and showing the data are only picking rolls without the godroll so we trick bungie into thinking they made a mistake

[brazen fern]

skewness is real

[bleak loom]

if it was for player retention then they would only throttle desirable perk combinations

not the random stuff they have been throttling

[edgy creek]

well if i cant get a demo headstone combo to roll more than once out of 800 focusing attempts then it stops being RNG issue. then i look at all rolls and discord/gutshot always seems to find its way

[gray widget]

Waiting for someone to select every single roll in the api and do data with that

[bleak loom]

if you can prove me actual data then sure

[brazen fern]

prove it was manipulation and not just rng

cause rng can cause that to happen

[gray widget]

Your 1/60 drop chance doesn’t increase the more you focus btw

[brazen fern]

just another datapoint

the probability stays the same

[edgy creek]

they would lie because why would they say: Yes we are making you grind WAY more to get desired weapon roll by manipulating the chances of those 2 perks. Thats just plain stupid and asking to be egged on the streats

[unkempt basalt]

it's more likely a bug with the new seasonal sht than intentional perk weighting chill out 💀

[gray widget]

People didn’t learn probability and it shows

[brazen fern]

i mean i find it kinda unlikely they coded something to intentionally weigh certain perk combos

that would be a lot of work for not much payoff

[bleak loom]

so many games do that

[edgy creek]

like what games

[gray widget]

I can almost guarantee bungie has the same code for perks rolls across every gun.

for perk in perk list:
pick random perk

And they seed it randomly based on a timestamp.

[edgy creek]

cuz i do play gacha games like Dokkan and they at least provide % chance for idk, new ssj goku

[gray widget]

They wouldn’t go through the effort of making something like that

[edgy creek]

its what you sign up for with gachas

d2 isnt one tho

[unkempt basalt]

maple story

[lost island]

lol

[edgy creek]

never heard of maple story tbh

[gray widget]

They would’ve included perk “rarity” in the game if they weighted it

[lost island]

But yeah, it could all be in my/whoever elses head

[bleak loom]

this is exactly it, every weapon that has been found to have perk weighting so far follows the exact same pattern of what perks are weighted based on what order the perks are coded onto the gun.

[edgy creek]

they coded it way back in season of the hunt

look up Crystalith Lure

[brazen fern]

what

im pretty sure their engine doesnt allow them to weigh perk combos

[lost island]

that said, it is good to have this discussion to make sure nothing is actually wrong etc.

[gray widget]

Computers are weird when it comes to randomization.

[bleak loom]

like tell me why bungie would want to stop players from gettting attrition orbs + chill clip on the chill inhibitor. or rimestealer + one for all. it doesnt make sense.

[bleak loom]

lmao

[lost island]

Was gonna say, true random is very tricky. The timestamp method is not really a great RNG

[gray widget]

That is true. But knowing bungie devs…

[lost island]

I imagine they would use a better way to calc random, but idk.

[brazen fern]

like im 99.9% certain that they make a new seed timestamp every time you get a weapon drop and then a randint determines which perks you get

[normal garden]

Randomness is weird ig

[brazen fern]

its really not complicated

[bleak loom]

yea the thing is true random doesnt really exist as far as i know. the closest is like lava lamp stuff

[gray widget]

This way is easy

[lost island]

Ye, my guess is if something is wrong, it was unintentional and probably something like this.

[brazen fern]

true randomness is very hard to do on computers

thats why its called pseudo-randomness

[gray widget]

It’s impossible to get true randomness

[bleak loom]

^

[gray widget]

On a computer

[brazen fern]

pretty much

pseudo-randomness with seeds comes close, buts its not true randomness

[tight holly]

why is everyone running 2nd encounter on vesper's?

[brazen fern]

its the best we got

[gray widget]

And in irl. You’ll most likely always end up with some sort of distribution based on your population

[tight holly]

isn't there a cheese in t he first encounter?

[unkempt basalt]

auto prob

[brazen fern]

i can almost guarantee that its a normal distribution as datapoints approach infinity

[lost island]

is that the one that drops the GL?

or is that 1st?

[misty pine]

Solo Flawless Vesper's!!!

LETS GOOO

[bleak loom]

they can both drop it but 1st is a faster farm

[unkempt basalt]

both do

[bleak loom]

in fact any encounter can

[lost island]

ah

[gray widget]

The dungeon hasn’t even been out for long. I also think it’s because of crafting

[brazen fern]

1st barely drops any in my experience

[gray widget]

Nobody would care about this crap if we could craft

[brazen fern]

they can weigh weapon drops, but not perks

[lost island]

ok, grabs the tinfoil hat, what is the god roll for that GL?

[gray widget]

This could be it 100%

[edgy creek]

couldnt you just code it like perk 1a%= 20% perk 2a%=20%, IF perk 1a=positive perk 2a=10%?

[bleak loom]

barely drops any what? heavy gls?

[gray widget]

I get it to drop like 80% of the time on final

[brazen fern]

yeah

i got double hgl drops from final before

and like 1 from 1st

[bleak loom]

1st is where i got my env bns roll

but to be fair it took me 250 1st enc runs soooooo

[brazen fern]

its gonna be a randint most likely

[bleak loom]

the reason ppl run 1st is coz it can be done in 3 or 4 mins wheras boss takes longer.

[lost island]

weighted weapon drops, did Bungie comment on this at all?

[brazen fern]

thats the easiest and simplest way of implementing it

[edgy creek]

idk i cant find corrent words to easily describe what im thinking of how they could do it

[gray widget]

It would be better to just create the pool of perks and add more of a certain one into that pool

[brazen fern]

perk combo weighting is tricky

[gray widget]

Cause it’s more likely to be chosen

[edgy creek]

basically presence of value a reduces % chance for value b

[bleak loom]

i get what you're saying but what you dont understand is it isnt as simple as that. because if the bungie devs said there isnt a way to weigh perks like that, then they cant do it that way.

[wanton halo]

bello

[gray widget]

They could be created random pools with random amounts of each perk. Which would technically be random perk weighting.

[brazen fern]

if they use parameters to influence the probability maybe

[gray widget]

But that would be impossible to prove

[edgy creek]

unless you have acces to the code yes

[bleak loom]

the infrastructure of the game (i.e. the engine) needs to be set up to be able to weigh perks, and apparently destiny's engine isnt.

[gray widget]

The bungie perk drop learning model

[brazen fern]

you would have to decompile the game and take a look at the code

good luck with that

[gray widget]

Brb buying a 10tb ssd to decompile

[hollow geyser]

fireteam matchmaking is bugging for me im keep getting application but when i click the screen autmatically goes away what to do its stuck now

[edgy creek]

if only i knew how

[brazen fern]

700gb decompilation gg

[gray widget]

You would NOT want to decompile destiny

[edgy creek]

i only ever installed mods for xeno2 and i failed on 1st attempt

[brazen fern]

big mistake

[gray widget]

You are gonna have so many files and bungie would probably come after you if you posted code anywhere

[bleak loom]

basically it is possible that bungie weighted perks on purpose and lied abt it, but much more likely that it is just a bug in their randomness code.

[edgy creek]

give it to 4chan people

[brazen fern]

i mean im sure someones already done it

[edgy creek]

2 days they will be done

[gray widget]

Their randomness code hasn’t changed for a while. Why is it an issue now

[brazen fern]

its not like the game has the best encryption ever

[edgy creek]

yea and got capped like a boeing whistleblower lmao

[bleak loom]

well evidently it is. idk what they did behind the scenes.

[brazen fern]

or measures against reverse engineering

[gray widget]

@brazen fern image the issue was an update the randomness package they used 💀

[edgy creek]

last thing bro heard is "KAKAW"

[gray widget]

The python random package has the bug and not bungie

[dusk verge]

does anyone know why my hunters journal artifacts reset every time i look at it

[brazen fern]

mfs just updated to c++11

[bleak loom]

i think its most likely that this either happened this season, final shape or MAYBE into the light.

[brazen fern]

💀

[bleak loom]

lol thatd be so funny

[brazen fern]

i have an edge transit with envious/cascade + bns/explosive light from itl

[thin garden]

whats go to dps for this episode?

[brazen fern]

i rigged the game to get that impossible roll

[tough sable]

poo cannon

[edgy creek]

i easily believe they weight armor vs weapon cuz im a living example of it

[gray widget]

I believe they weight weapon drops but not perks

[wanton halo]

are people really struggling to get the roll?

[edgy creek]

i just dont believe them when they say they dont/cant do it for perks cuz a) they have history of lying 2) its guns that we chase more so the more guns we have to grind the longer its gonna take the more we play the game

[wanton halo]

i’ve gotten ea bns and cascade bns

[bleak loom]

yeah took me a while too

[wanton halo]

i dismantled my cascade one tho 😭

[gray widget]

Bungie didn’t randomly change their perk code

[edgy creek]

aparently yea i got it and i saw another dude i farmed servitor with with 1-1 roll as me

[bleak loom]

if you run the numbers, ASSUMING the perks are all equally weighted (which they arent) you should approximately get whatever roll you're searching for after 10 hrs of 1st enc farming

[gray widget]

Nothing has changed, people are just coping

[bleak loom]

well roughly 10 hrs. i just did maths in my head lol

[gray widget]

And complaining

[bleak loom]

i just think thats kinda unlikely given how many weapons there have been since forsaken, no way there hasnt been a single god roll that was one of the 'rare' perk combos in 6 years

[edgy creek]

lets say you do servitor farm and you get 20 hgl

[bleak loom]

but it is definitely possible.

[normal garden]

[bleak loom]

is that end of train of thought lol?

[lost island]

Unless we get solid proof, it is all speculation on the "perks are weighted" side. But the speculation is interesting.

[lost island]

He got the god roll and left

[bleak loom]

have you seen the tool newo put together? its definitely not 100% confirmed, but all the evidence points to it being true.

[brazen fern]

i hate you

[edgy creek]

im thinking rn

[brazen fern]

:3

[edgy creek]

i got a steam engine tho

[lost island]

can you drop me a link in DMs?

[tight holly]

why isn't /join working?

[bleak loom]

he has put together an automated tool which scrapes api data of anyone logged in while they farm and puts the rolls into a table. ill send u link

[edgy creek]

assuming you get a different roll every time you should get more than half possible rolls with 20 drops

[gray widget]

I agree. People have been making tables but they don’t explain how they chose what rolls to include. I could make a table and pick 90k rolls with bad perks and 10k with good ones.

[wanton halo]

i got demo attrition orbs on the denial frame too like first day

[lost island]

Yeah, I saw output from this and this is what got my attention. He'll need a lot of data to make any solid conclusions though

[edgy creek]

thats only counting collums 3+4

[tacit venture]

Why is getting Witherhoard kills in crucible so stupid 😂

[edgy creek]

people are dumb and dont suspect a glowing white pool in pvp might mean "dont stand in"

[tacit venture]

When I shoot someone with it they get slapped by a tissue

[tacit venture]

Hmm makes sense, on 54/100 and I’m just in debate to give up as I can’t be arsed getting 1/2 kills with it a game 😂

[edgy creek]

omg why tf is shiz blacklisted

[bleak loom]

well he at this point has thousands of rolls in there. but you're right it will help to have more data so it is a bit more accurate.

[gray widget]

He would likely need every single roll that has dropped so far to create any sort of slightly meaningful visual

[lost island]

Ye, hell it could even be skewed by bad actors, but it would have to be a LOT of bad actors.

[wooden merlin]

we need a soul revolver and we need it now.

[lost island]

Surely D2 doesn't have any bad actors in the scene.

[civic kettle]

they aren't weighted

it's a result of the games RNG system

[north nexus]

theres a general bug with rng

[bleak loom]

also it would require A LOT of people to delete rolls including envious baits lmao which nobody wants to do

[gray widget]

Only showing 100s or 1000s of rolls is not enough to prove anything

[edgy creek]

d2 communnit can come together for a cause but that...

[bleak loom]

but the result of the rng bug is that they are weighted unintentionally

also hi lmaoc

[civic kettle]

ur gaslighting several hundred people

hi

[gray widget]

Explain how they are weighted unintentionally

[lost island]

who?

[gray widget]

When they haven’t changed their code

[brazen fern]

if the trend continues as datapoints approach infinity

[bleak loom]

take a look at the screenshot @lost island sent. thats definitely hundreds or thousands of rolls.

[civic kettle]

there's a tab on that website that lists every player who's contributing to the data

[bleak loom]

and there is that for multiple weapons, not just that one.

[civic kettle]

and that list is several hundred people long

[bleak loom]

website is down rn lol, will have to wait till newo is done with maintenance.

[edgy creek]

bitter/sweet has like 32k envious arsenal /bsn rolls