💬destiny-chat

[wary relic]

So I can't just put a shader on a crafted without memento?

[humble kestrel]

specific animated shaders for each mommento are unlocked

[storm relic]

good news, episode revenant is gonna give us everything in each act, no need to wait for week to week

[wary relic]

And also, what are the differences in mementos? Like the lost one and others

[humble kestrel]

diffrent shaders

[wary relic]

Makes sense

[wanton halo]

Just cosmetics

[humble kestrel]

trials ones the all gold one

lost is all black, gambit is green scaly thing and nightfall is a weird orange one

oh and dawning is like an ice thing

[wary relic]

Now how do I get a memento?

[humble kestrel]

depends

gambit drops randomly from gambit

[twilit comet]

grind the most mind numbing activity that it comes from

[humble kestrel]

nightfalls are from gms, trials are from flawless chest

[wary relic]

Lol deal

[storm relic]

gambit is from .

[wary relic]

Deal

[zinc anvil]

How long does charla bot take to register my server roles

[wary relic]

Well it's absurd, I just want it to be red and they need me to do all this

Unfortunate

[storm relic]

just color it red

[wanton halo]

Red is gone

[storm relic]

literally grab a red shader

[wary relic]

It's crafted

[meager flower]

Which one has your eye

[storm relic]

u can put any shader on a crafted

[cursive crystal]

.

[meager flower]

Have you seen all the mementos?

[wary relic]

Oh

[storm relic]

mementos are just bonus exclusive to crafted weps

[wary relic]

Oh the mementos are just certain shaders?

[storm relic]

they still take regular shaders

[wary relic]

Nevermind then, life is good

[meager flower]

Yes

[wary relic]

Damn thank god

[frail coral]

Anyone else having trouble with the travelers heart chest macro?

Keeps getting stuck in the director

[wary relic]

Now if I enhance a weapon, I can't change the traits right?

[lofty fjord]

The stomp from cabal/scorn bosses, does concussive dampener work or melee resistance?

[storm relic]

yes u can

[lofty fjord]

I feel melee resistance wont work because sometimes the stomp is a little far

[wary relic]

So when I enhance left and right columb, I can then reshape it?

[storm relic]

mods are based on distance from enemy if its close then melee

[meager flower]

This is the gm memento its the least favorite

[storm relic]

yes u can x2

[wary relic]

Seriously??

[storm relic]

unless it wasnt crafted

[wary relic]

Thank god

[storm relic]

only crafted weps can be crafted thats the concept

[meager flower]

Adepts can be enhanced

[storm relic]

even world drops can be enhanced

[wary relic]

I mean crafted weapons can already be reshaped right?

[arctic sierra]

shortest salvations run is 67 min

[storm relic]

those are the ones you can reshape and adept raid weps

[meager flower]

But they dont have the same freedom as crafted weapons with perk options

[storm relic]

but adept raid weps only first 2 columns no 3rd and 4th

[lofty fjord]

What is the melee resistance distance? And does concussive dampener work against stomp i.e does stomp count as AOE damage?

[storm relic]

idk and yes

[wary relic]

And if a weapon can be enhanced, you can't get weapon patterns for them right?

[storm relic]

u can enhance a craftable weapon without crafting it

[wary relic]

And when I enhance both columns I'd have the same freedom like as if I'm crafting it?

[undone finch]

what are nightmare hunts and are they worth doing?

[meager flower]

Depends on the weapon

[wary relic]

Crimil's dagger?

[meager flower]

You can only enhance it

You cant change anything

[wary relic]

And am I dumb for enhancing it?

[meager flower]

No

Maybe it was a good roll

[wary relic]

Oh okay, what's a good roll?

[meager flower]

Idk lol

[wary relic]

Actually, what are usually the best perks?

[meager flower]

I havent gotten one

[wary relic]

I have no idea

[meager flower]

Heres an example

See i can enhance

[lofty fjord]

Have they increased boss health in dungeons? Or removed fireteam scaler?
Because I'm trying to solo WL first boss and what took me 2 phases is taking 8 now

[eternal cloud]

you can name them.....?

[stark pelican]

if you're taking 8 phases to solo the first boss in warlords ruin you are doing something wrong

[meager flower]

But i cant change the mag or barrel to anything else im stuck with the ones i got

[lofty fjord]

I'm using the exact same build

[meager flower]

Raid adepts have the option to change barrel and mag options

[stark pelican]

is this thing any good

[meager flower]

?

[eternal cloud]

Omega, whats the Dusk Tamer part

[pallid stream]

anyone know where i can get a linear fusion (dont have final shape so no pale heart stuff)

[wary relic]

Ohh alright, but you can change the other 2? Or you can only enhance them?

[wary relic]

Ohh okay

[meager flower]

Memento title

[eternal cloud]

ah

[light arrow]

Lvl 20 bonus on momentos

[wanton halo]

@meager flower cream for me

[meager flower]

You have a 4/5

I have the 5/5

[wanton halo]

??

[wheat vessel]

For those that don't PVP, what would incentivise you to actually play PVP (eg dedicated anti cheat system/dedicated servers etc)

[wanton halo]

Show

[light arrow]

mfw the barrel is negligible on a linear

[meager flower]

Mine has charge time mw

[wanton halo]

Show

[meager flower]

See?

[wanton halo]

No envious no arrowhead

That’s Walmart 5/5

[meager flower]

Stay mad

[wanton halo]

Back at you

[green urchin]

Does anyone else just get nonstop duplicate exotic class item rolls? I have like 12 unique rolls and I've gotten at least 6 duplicates, with 64 possible rolls that should be extremely unlikely

[zealous wave]

what do we want on uzume ?

[wanton halo]

To be a 140 instead of 90

[light arrow]

Twilight Oath

[wary relic]

Bruh😂

[light arrow]

Or Luna Regolith

But mostly twilight oath

[wary relic]

Why is Rose good?

[light arrow]

lightweight frame, 140, gets grips, with good base stats

[reef coyote]

Some biggun pinged me for double dunk kf

[wary relic]

What's 140?

[light arrow]

the rpm of the weapon, with is usually tied to archetype

[wary relic]

Oh right

[young hornet]

did u taco calus ur pc back

[light arrow]

For hand cannons a 140 rpm is also and adaptive frame hand cannon (light weight in roses case)

[reef coyote]

Let's just say..... hell no

[wary relic]

What's good about the frame and grip?

[light arrow]

In roses case it has good base stats and the grips are an extra source of stats for the weapon that not many other legendaries get

[wary relic]

Oh okay

[wary relic]

But when in comes to pvp, and damage, should I just get a 92?

[light arrow]

wdym a 92

[wary relic]

Impact

[light arrow]

the impact stat is mostly cosmetic

[wanton halo]

Just spitting facts

[wary relic]

Really? What should I use for most damage?

[light arrow]

what differs weapon families in terms of damage is their archetype with the exception of certain exotics

[jagged sage]

am I crazy or is there hive in the tower?

I can hear a worm and an acolyte

[wary relic]

Archetype? You mean the kind of energy it shoots?

Not used to the lingo

[jagged sage]

in the front door of Ada

[thorny palm]

Is buried bloodline farmable?

[jagged sage]

no

[thorny palm]

Navigator?

[light arrow]

@wary relic As you can see, they're both hand cannon's (their weapon family) but have different intrinsic traits or archetypes

In Vulpecula's case it's a precision frame - coming with a higher mag size and rate of fire

[jagged sage]

if its ghosts week yes

[light arrow]

vs igenous which is an aggressive frame - high damage but high recoil, low handling and reload

[thorny palm]

🥹

[ripe glade]

Is Monte Carlo good for consecration slam in the gm? Wanan be able to spam transcendence or my consecration slam

[eternal cloud]

oohh, the shader on Vulpecula, very nice

[light arrow]

Vow flawless shader

[eternal cloud]

yes, very

use Hallowfire too

[ripe glade]

Uhh what…..

[eternal cloud]

Hallowfire Heart increases charge rate of all abilites while you have your solar super fully charged

i.e. Monte + Hallow = very quick Consicration recharge time

for more dopamine rush

[dusky wigeon]

just use benevolence

[winged owl]

So many brown names in gen chat

[dusky wigeon]

with pyrogales

[knotty verge]

ur brown

[wanton halo]

It’s called gay yellow

[winged owl]

Ur brown

[quasi condor]

old yellow was better

[winged owl]

Ur a gay yellow now

[quasi condor]

😔

[light arrow]

Hydrated Piss yellow

[knotty verge]

yea yea pb check noobert

[winged owl]

7 hour mental illness SE

Pb

[light arrow]

Pb check in less than a minute is wild

[fleet cliff]

Is there a vendor in final shape ??

[winged owl]

Pb check before gta 6

[eternal cloud]

its so satisfying seeing the ignitions go off on a group of ads just to get another charge quickly afterwards, I basically set Season of the Haunted ablaze with how many Consecrations I hit on the Levi

[fleet cliff]

I havent finished the campaign but i cant find any vendor giving any bounties or any rank rewards

[light arrow]

Catch me on the verity simulator

[winged owl]

Man i want to run stacked

Im tired of joining teaching runs for 0 pb clearing

[wanton halo]

Copium detected

[winged owl]

Its not copium, check my rr

Reap#8085

[light arrow]

How're you joining teaching runs?

[winged owl]

My only full clear is 7 hours

[ripe quail]

Erm

[wanton halo]

Im messing with you, I know that feeling

[blissful scaffold]

Have anyone donate for this yet?

[deep dune]

Yes

[wanton halo]

brown nme

[slow tendon]

hai

[quasi condor]

hi fox

[wanton halo]

hi ava

[slow tendon]

guys i’m not banned yet

[winged owl]

Idk, my clear was with sum people who were like: oh yea we know up to 3rd

[blissful scaffold]

U sure ?

[winged owl]

So i fuigured it’d be light work

[wanton halo]

yeah bc ur trying too hard just call a moderator a slur

Peeps still learning verity a month later

[light arrow]

I'd be out, not trying to skull drag on 4th

[winged owl]

But they just dragged on with bo sense of urgency

[slow tendon]

when have i called anyone a slur

[eternal cloud]

don't worry, the server will get vaccinated sooner or later and you'll be gone

[blissful scaffold]

sherpa run people

[wanton halo]

reading is hard i know

[winged owl]

I wanted to red dot when they had a hard time on second

[slow tendon]

oh wait that’s real my fault bruh

[wanton halo]

its ok

[light arrow]

💀

[late star]

I saw the slur yesterday, but this chat is weird anyway so nobody cares

[slow tendon]

i’m not actually trying to get banned i want it to occur naturally

[wanton halo]

the slur

[winged owl]

Me when i call a single mother 15 slurs before breakfast

[wheat vessel]

Off topic chat get removed?

[wanton halo]

nope

I feel like Sherpas get abused a lot. It’s another thing teaching the mechanics of a raid and giving tips and stuff and another thing completely teaching them game subclass/armor mods ect .

[twilit minnow]

[wanton halo]

nobody held my hand!!!

[winged owl]

I love flaccid

[slow tendon]

yeah but do they have an 11 dsc

[wanton halo]

i would

[winged owl]

I do

[wanton halo]

too late tho :/

[light arrow]

Sherpas know what they're signing up for (I use to religiously 5 man Sherpa vows )

[slow tendon]

do you now

[wanton halo]

yes

[eager path]

se so annoying you do everything right and then boom two blind people on verity and you wipe and you get a 37

[winged owl]

Its more like a 13 but yea

[wanton halo]

so my 15 really is my fault huh

[buoyant moon]

that's so epic

[slow tendon]

that’s rapid well done !!!

[buoyant moon]

api demon

[eternal cloud]

ewww hand holding, you degenerate, you should only do that once your married

[wanton halo]

Average 🍔 that joins a Sherpa has double primary a cluster bombs rocket that uses to clear ads and when we go to dps he uses his smg for dps cause he has no heavy ammo

[slow tendon]

guys it’s impossible for dsc to be completed quicker then 20 minutes

[winged owl]

Thats my one pb that i’ll say was skulldragged

[slow tendon]

who was it with

[eager path]

yea unless you cheat.. it’s impossible

[wanton halo]

💯🔥

[slow tendon]

that’s so real guys

[winged owl]

The number 2 ranked most dsc clears

[slow tendon]

cheating in a video game is not it

[cosmic kettle]

I have a pen

[slow tendon]

OMG AZZA I LOVE AZZA

[wanton halo]

i have apple

[eager path]

if you oob you are cheating because it’s not how bungie intended the game to be played

[wanton halo]

afk farming moment

[slow tendon]

true and if you skip its skipping part of the raid bungie intended you to do

[twilit comet]

oobing and skipping are cool

[wanton halo]

i did do it just fasta

[eager path]

my dsc bad

[slow tendon]

cheater

[wanton halo]

if bungie doesnt want me to fly they get rid of my flying

kill her

[slow tendon]

multi shot still hunt

[wanton halo]

yes

A group of 6 submits footage of world record at 15 minutes for a raid and you go to raid report and you see a group did it 4 minutes faster. Definitely not cheating, they are doing it the way Bungie intended

[twilit comet]

[wanton halo]

talk yo sht

u can do it on any plate

[slow tendon]

me when raids can be done quicker than an hour

[blissful scaffold]

So chat going back to talking about cheating

[wanton halo]

because rhats the correct way to do it

[slow tendon]

vegetables

[eager path]

im not a speedrunner but if I dated you I would cheat

[wanton halo]

Anything more to an an hour with lfg enters multiple hard wipes/ 5 business days to swap loadouts territory

[slow estuary]

@frozen swift PEACH FTW

[wanton halo]

😦

[slow tendon]

i’ve got a 13 minute dsc with 3 lfgs

[wanton halo]

They def that pb I’m sure

i have a 15 and i was the lfg

[slow tendon]

they did nothing

[alpine garnet]

woke up and don’t see white names anymore. life is worth living again

[slow estuary]

@still cradle PEACH FTW

[wanton halo]

slightly less yellow names

[wanton halo]

Might as well call it a handicapped trio

[slow tendon]

💀💀

[eternal cloud]

"def earned" is what you are looking for

[alpine garnet]

true. looks neat tho

[wanton halo]

its very calm

[silent laurel]

"wipes" - afk after spawning - didnt banner - kills himself saying i dont have banner- lfg in a nutshell

[wanton halo]

Autocorrect killing me right now

alright brb after every encounter

[elfin reef]

Hi guys

[wanton halo]

https://tenor.com/view/engines-top-gun-maverick-fire-up-gotta-blast-coming-gif-25325804

disturbed mentioned

im probaboy wrong rhat is not disturbed

[slow tendon]

it was a trio entrance 2 man kill atraks lmao although i’ll give it to them they they did damage in 1st and 4th then killed ads on 3rd

[wanton halo]

im a big poser pls help me i am not sure

[light arrow]

one of my favorite types of vfx

[blissful scaffold]

I can feel it when i gaming on my lap

[eternal cloud]

then double check before you press send, it becomes a habit after a point cuz you don't wanna have auto do something it shouldn't sending something to someone it shouldn't causing all chaos to break loose

[wanton halo]

i turn uto corrdct off bexause i domt meed it

[eternal cloud]

[light arrow]

🗿

[eternal cloud]

bro committed to the bit

[wanton halo]

I’m at work I’m right handed and typing with my left hand while working. Give me a break 🙂

[eternal cloud]

[wanton halo]

it wasnt a joke halfway through the message but i kept going

i want to play #off-the-grid

[eternal cloud]

Bro Committed

[wanton halo]

one time i sent this chicken and got threatened with a ban right after

[quasi condor]

why

[light arrow]

[eternal cloud]

[blissful scaffold]

U send to the wrong person

[light arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-among-us-animated-just-some-plastic-gif-18581623

[blissful scaffold]

Sus

[distant solar]

When I go transcendant every champ is getting COOKED

[eternal cloud]

we need a channel just for the Chimkin Bounces

[wanton halo]

eva doesnt like me and i understand why ☹️

[eager path]

who got a first boss checkpoint on the salvacion limiar raid

[wanton halo]

i said nono words and its ok to keep grudges for 2 years

[blissful scaffold]

OF COURSE. Of all people, Eva is not the one you should messed with

[light arrow]

#873039036879605761 message

[blissful scaffold]

One day, Eva will send the infamous gif

[eternal cloud]

perfection

[lethal shore]

I love this colour

[eternal cloud]

I hate it

[wanton halo]

SAME

[eternal cloud]

👌

[wanton halo]

Meow

[light arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/water-drink-thirsty-overflow-gif-1584175927970006686

[eternal cloud]

We drink the Mountains, we eat the Seas..... wait a minute

[rugged niche]

why are we still new raiders

[light arrow]

[wanton halo]

https://tenor.com/view/sadgeecrysiege-gif-19105059

[eternal cloud]

Navist is to busy to care for us Plebs

[lethal shore]

can someone teach me gos

[wanton halo]

He busy on his first clear of salvations edge. 4th encounter proving to be too hard for him

[rugged niche]

@supple ermine hey man can u ban this guy he’s blaming you

[eternal cloud]

[eternal cloud]

ok, Edge Master (they really didn't think that one through hard enough)

[still cradle]

yayyyy

[cursive axle]

wtf is going on here

[light arrow]

nuthin

[cursive axle]

you better tell me

no cookies if you dont

[eternal cloud]

nut-hin

[meager flower]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna160598

[light arrow]

Why's it just a picture of a crowd

[rugged niche]

how do i even get this role wtf

[meager flower]

Man

Dont play like that now

[lofty fjord]

The roles aren't working properly

[eternal cloud]

#roles

[light arrow]

[little fox]

what is the best way to farm Vanguard engrams?

[light arrow]

Dare I say, vanguard stuff

[light matrix]

damn gambit is completely dead rn

[lofty fjord]

Huh? Are you sure?

[lofty fjord]

Wait till double xp week

[rugged niche]

so 25 clears?

[little fox]

Nightfalls? what difficulty? or strikes? Does vanguard activity streak help?

[lofty fjord]

As per that channel you get 'Shape Master'

[meager flower]

GMs

[little fox]

ty

[light arrow]

Streak should count for gms

[slow tendon]

no more parties in la please baby no more parties in la

[lofty fjord]

Charlmagne bot can read my raid report but can't give me a role smh

[light arrow]

[wanton halo]

Yellow gay will have to do for now

[narrow owl]

um why did I register without having roles update

[floral flax]

what would you guys say is the best secondary to use with the call

[narrow owl]

is it a matter of time ?

[quasi condor]

indebted kindess

[eternal cloud]

I've done it twice and still nothing, so no clue

[hollow oyster]

WHAT ARE THESE COLOURS

[quasi condor]

ikr we need old yellow back

[hollow oyster]

So ugly man 😭 Navist why

May as well make it septic tank brown atp

[distant wolf]

DONT GIVE IT IDEAS

[quasi condor]

it already was at one point

[next sluice]

I just completed the featured cooperative focus mode campaign mission but didnt get any rewards do i have to claim them from somewhere?

[strange escarp]

wallop

[distant wolf]

No the rewards just suck

[jagged sage]

Tribute is a horible game mode

[next sluice]

bugged?

[distant wolf]

Is that pvp

[jagged sage]

yea Iron banner

[distant wolf]

I don’t play ib it’s horrible

[distant wolf]

I have like 16 total matches over 6 years

🤷‍♀️

never touching trials also

[jagged sage]

The sheer amount of smoke bombs, swarm grenades and threaded specters is ridiculous

[light matrix]

hunter is finally dominant in pvp like they should be

[distant wolf]

Yeah but the thing is

Too dominant

[meager flower]

https://tenor.com/view/big-boss-mgs-mgsv-metal-gear-solid-metal-gear-solid5-gif-25238128

[distant wolf]

Me ordering a pizza to Bungie hq

[meager flower]

Why?

[light matrix]

yea but theyve been nerfed as hell for the past 2 dlcs and titan was meta forever, hunter was always meant to be the best pvp class since destiny 1

they are a little op rn but they should stay the best pvp class

[distant wolf]

I think a guy ordered a pizza to Bungie and got sued

Lemme check actually I forgot

yeah he placed a cash on delivery for 150 pizzas to a dev at Bungie

[vocal marten]

Nice, no more white.

Good job guys

[distant wolf]

He was sued and Bungie won

[static yarrow]

Didn't wyverns already have the ability to teleport? They mentioned they'll be adding that, but glassway gm defo has them tp

[distant wolf]

Forced to pay 500k

[quasi condor]

what happened to the pizzas though

[distant wolf]

I eated it

[vocal marten]

Fueled Lightfall development.

[distant wolf]

real

Wait no those pizzas were horrible then

150 pizzas for the worst dlc is wild

[vocal marten]

Pizza’s were good

Compensation otherwise was terrible

[tired hill]

Pizza?

[vocal marten]

Paid in pizza, not allowed to leave or see your family.. y’know the usual Bungie crunch stuff

[tired hill]

I'm hungry.

[thick fog]

last wish chat is so dead god damn

[vocal marten]

Last mid

[thick fog]

just wanna do a riven to solo queenswalk

[light arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/snowman-mewing-gif-10780355880827492718

[quasi condor]

just solo riven too

[thick fog]

is it soloable on hunter this season

[quasi condor]

idk

[thick fog]

i tried to search it up but most vids are from months ago on other classes

[quasi condor]

didnt even think queenswalk would be soloable on hunter

[slim brook]

you know how kf is pinnacle does every encounter drop pinnacle or just the final boss

[thick fog]

it is

[distant wolf]

Can you even solo last wish

[thick fog]

nah full raid isnt soloable

[quasi condor]

solo queenswalk and riven have been possible

[distant wolf]

Ah I was wondering cause of the gorg encounter

[thick fog]

shuro and vault you need at least 3

gorg has been solo'd in the past with a banner shield glitch

prob fixed nowadays

[tired hill]

That's unfortunate

[dense leaf]

morgeth been soloable

[distant wolf]

Will the spot for riven ever be fixed

[worthy bay]

lol hunter at crucible spaming grenades smoke bomb wtf bungie

[thorn tulip]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[thick fog]

they fixed that tp spot on pantheon, but not on regular so i dont think so, even if they did it'd still be cheeseable unless they did the insane dmg resist they did on pantheon

[tired hill]

Sleep is for casuals.

[distant wolf]

You can still clip rivens toenails in pantheon with 6 behemoths

I think

[thick fog]

ah true that might've been a thing

not sure if it gave plat still but yes

[distant wolf]

I remember when bosses took heavy damage from stepping on stasis crystals

Like I remember tossing a stasis crystal under a brig

And it took like 100k or some big number

[ripe glade]

I see all these titan mains clearing the gm in line 8 min but I guess it’s more luck than anything. Make it look so easy

[tired hill]

Titans smash.

[distant wolf]

Charge your phone

[thick fog]

titans arent bad, their variety is just trash, you either do a melee build or you do a melee build

if you want to be competitive ofc

[tired hill]

Or a rocket build.

[thick fog]

true, with rocket sidearms

[tired hill]

Boom. Boom. Boom.

Dual rocket primaries with a rocket heavy mahahaha

Or dual rocket primaries with grand overture.

Boom boom boom

[reef coyote]

You can't solo morgeth it takes 6 people to do raids

[ripe glade]

How does it compare to the warlock getaway artist build. Idk the consecration one activates my neurons

[alpine garnet]

getclose exotic when

[tired hill]

I would rather not use consecration.

While it can be effective... So is enemy fire to the face.

[thick fog]

getaway artist build is honestly brainless rn, the amount of turrets you drop is crazy

[tired hill]

My warlock isn't that good lol

[ripe glade]

Yeah I think assassins cowl might be good for titan so you go invis every powered melee kill?

[thick fog]

it would be okayy, im not sure what the combos are for exotic class item, but you defo want synthos

[south haven]

ello, what is the goodest heavy to combine with nighthawktauh stillhunt ?

[ripe glade]

Yeah they get their transcendence and super real quick

[thick fog]

explosive light reconstruction apex predator

a good rocket that can reload itself basically

[ripe glade]

Man I can’t believe still hunter is gonna be even better dude lol. Bungie is cooking with snipers rn

[thick fog]

if you dont have apex

[tired hill]

You could also use faith keeper instead it's decent.

[thick fog]

probably letting it shine before nuking it to the ground

[mental eagle]

muh surges 😭

[tired hill]

And easy enough to get at the moment.

[lone island]

hello losers

[storm relic]

i never lose

[tired hill]

Meowdy kittenheart

[south haven]

ill look out for those, what about for dps like gotd boss and witness ?

[coral walrus]

Uh oh, i slept during day and now im fricked

[light arrow]

Ah 7am, bedtime!

[tired hill]

Lol.

[little frigate]

.

[ripe glade]

Man warlocks and hunters have been juiced up this season..

[weak shell]

Is there an XP issue? I remember reading that we had to save the collecting the Seasonal Challenges due to an XP bug

[tired hill]

Idk I haven't been. Lol

[coral walrus]

I think people just hope to get exp in act 2 or sumth

[ripe glade]

Who lives in Texas

[alpine garnet]

https://fxtwitter.com/anpaure/status/1810746428542840878

[alpine garnet]

chainsaw man

[winter echo]

How do you unlock the rest of the aspects on an alt? I didnt get them from the chests in the story missions.

[wanton halo]

.

[jagged sage]

Guys, need opinion. Iron Lord or Samurai?

[alpine garnet]

neither. bangboo better

[coral walrus]

Bot look not very interesting.

But i guess first one

[coral walrus]

Mogged by granma

Man, why did youtube needed to mess with ytdlp again

Grrrr

How long do carry runs of se last? Like 4 hours?

[golden sandal]

samurai

[obsidian belfry]

what ghost mod do i need to equip as hunter for good armor rolls ?

[tough finch]

who?

[coral walrus]

Resil if you dont have any high stat armor. Then look at what you are missing

[brazen fern]

the amount of people glazing outbreak is alarming

[devout kelp]

outbreak is busted rn tho no

[brazen fern]

"best weapon for gms"

yeah no

[coral walrus]

Hey even aegis said it good

[brazen fern]

but its not the "best weapon for gms"

[coral walrus]

How so?

[brazen fern]

in my opinion anyways

you could be using that exotic slot for something else

[golden sandal]

thorn is better

[coral walrus]

I know you like gjal and levi but is that really worth using a legendary pulse?

[brazen fern]

if i wanted a good pulse, i would use nullify and not use my exotic slot for a pulse

[coral walrus]

Oh ok

[brazen fern]

would run gjally instead

(but thats just my opinion)

levi is also a great choice to nuke champs

[coral walrus]

I think its time for zero hour again 😦

[brazen fern]

everyone will forget about outbreak after this episode anyways

or they will use anti barrier sniper

[knotty verge]

still soloable

[brazen fern]

legit the only time i used outbreak this season was the awful hydra boss room after having had enough

[tired hill]

Every act will have its own metas

[slim bolt]

why is the new yellow so ugly chat

[umbral harness]

anybody know a good sniper for pvp?

[slim bolt]

beloved

[quasi condor]

ikr

[slim bolt]

first we were disgusting white and now we are a cream yellow

[umbral harness]

dude wtf u flirting rn or what

[slim bolt]

yes

[quasi condor]

they really need to bring back old yellow

[molten condor]

This colour isnt bad

[umbral harness]

damn presage was last week

[molten condor]

Yellow was pretty nasty

[umbral harness]

they need to drop a good forest green

[molten condor]

Red was the best

[slim bolt]

i wanna be borble my fav color

[lyric dust]

whats the point of new raider tag now with new raid roles?

[molten condor]

No idea

[tired hill]

No idea

[slim bolt]

new raid roles dont work :)

[molten condor]

Mebe theyll bring back seasoned raider

[quasi condor]

so we can ego people who say kwtd on raids they dont have the role for

[molten condor]

Wdym

[slim bolt]

half the mfs here dont have it (me included)

[molten condor]

It took me ages to get mine

[lyric dust]

yeah mine dont work atm

[brazen fern]

thank god thats gone

[molten condor]

Why do u have tiers

[slim bolt]

im lightfall raider, whatever that means

[swift berry]

bruh my weapons are not loading my character isnt loading

[coral walrus]

Those 3 quests in my log are taunting me. I have to do it someday

[brazen fern]

restart your game

[quasi condor]

idk

[slim bolt]

restart

[brazen fern]

im only 7 pathfinder resets away from transcendent now yay

[molten condor]

I think its just playing raids before tfs

[slim bolt]

i want the rest of my roles :(

[coral walrus]

Hes so frickin TRANSCENDENT

[tired hill]

Neat.

[brazen fern]

rarest title in the game baby

fck your raid titles

[coral walrus]

Oh really?

[molten condor]

What is nightmare raider

[slim bolt]

only reason im not doing it is cuz i cba doing more alone in the dark quests

[quasi condor]

root

[coral walrus]

I guess it involves doing pathfinders

[brazen fern]

by a long shot, its only 5.6k claimed

[slim bolt]

yea cuz its annoying to get xd

[molten condor]

Thats nightmare master

[brazen fern]

0.008% global rarity

[coral walrus]

So noone does it

[slim bolt]

• no one really cares about em

[brazen fern]

cope

[molten condor]

U have it between ur tier roles

[brazen fern]

transcendent is the best title in the game

[slim bolt]

ask around lmao

[brazen fern]

clears any kind of cringe -slayer title

[quasi condor]

theyre both for root they just depend on how many clears of it you have (i think)

[coral walrus]

Agreed 👍

[molten condor]

Oh yh nvm

[slim bolt]

im sure running 10 cysts is a good display 🔥

[brazen fern]

not the point

[molten condor]

Wtf r those tier 3 experience roles

[brazen fern]

the title is the coolest one

[slim bolt]

okay honey 😭

[quasi condor]

i have the nightmare raider role because im a nightmare to raid with 😈

[tired hill]

Makes sense.

[slim bolt]

dunno why they changed a system that wasnt broke 😭

[molten condor]

Fr

Red was such a good colour

[tired hill]

I really hate having to communicate with humans with my voice it.... Frustrates me.

[brazen fern]

with the right people, its fun

[tired hill]

I don't do fun.

[buoyant moon]

average d2 player's social anxiety

[brazen fern]

i like talking in vc with people from this chat

[quasi condor]

waited until discord changed the ui so most of the roles arent even shown unless you click "view all roles"

[brazen fern]

but lfg in general? im more reserved

[sinful forge]

Bro

This server sometimes

[slim bolt]

no reason to have like 20+ roles in a server fr

[jagged sage]

glaives are bad

[quasi condor]

nuh uh!!

[tired hill]

The thought of messing up my breathing for the sake of having to communicate... Makes me upset.

[eager path]

[jagged sage]

[slim bolt]

😭 what is this

[slim kernel]

....

[brazen fern]

bruh

you know i have always had social anxiety but wtf is this

[slim kernel]

You have social anxiety or something?

[random seal]

how many bodies are in your floor boards

[slim kernel]

never seen it so severe

[random seal]

7 minimum

[brazen fern]

i held speeches in front of an audience and almost died (exaggerated)

[tired hill]

None. Why would I leave bodies?

[random seal]

cold from you

[random seal]

satirical must be

[tired hill]

Yes. Sure.

[slim kernel]

U did it tho 😎

[blissful scaffold]

HUH ?

[slim kernel]

Cold is just slang

[random seal]

cold means you did good, like 😎

[blissful scaffold]

Gen Z this day

Smh

[slim kernel]

no that ones fine

30+ year olds have used it its none of this brainrot stuff

[blissful scaffold]

Anyway

[brazen fern]

"To me at least, in comparison to Energy & Kinetic slot exotics, Heavy slot ones feel extremely suboptimal to equip."

[blissful scaffold]

Dont we all ?

[brazen fern]

can someone tell me wtf this is supposed to mean

[native sundial]

rq is twitch down for anyone else?

[blissful scaffold]

No sir. Run fine for me

[native sundial]

cool

can access on my console, stream is good. but not pc. cant stream or reach the domain

[slim kernel]

They believe that it is more optimal to use legendaries in heavy slot, so that you can use an exotic in the other slots instead

[brazen fern]

this dude is trying to tell me that using your exotic slot for outbreak is better than something like gjally in a gm

[blissful scaffold]

Aka use exotic primary to generate heavy faster than legendary

Etc....

[brazen fern]

its not about heavy ammo

[slim bolt]

outbreak my goat

[blissful scaffold]

I am trying to decipher with you

[tired hill]

Well it matters on your team setup. It's a very complex question. Idk how anyone can just say that though lol

[blissful scaffold]

This man get it

[random seal]

maybe they just think heavy exotics are bad for some reason

[slim kernel]

i use outbreak in gms

[random seal]

outbreak kinda melts everything

[brazen fern]

this guy is like "bro heavy exotics are so bad, just use kinetic or energy exotic and use apex/commemoration/edge hahaha"

[blissful scaffold]

I am happy Outbreak is getting some love now

[slim kernel]

I dont really use exotic heavys that often, but not because I think they are bad lmao

[slim bolt]

more outbreaks = big nanite

[blissful scaffold]

Unlike it just stay in vault

[random seal]

i wish the ornaments werent ugly

[slim bolt]

base outbreak very cool

[random seal]

imo they are anyway

[blissful scaffold]

What u guys used for overload stun in GM ?

[slim kernel]

base is best

[brazen fern]

like gjally is much more useful than outbreak

[tired hill]

It matters on the situation but if your teammates are using apex having a gally boost.. Is kinda great.

[random seal]

true

[fair yew]

color check, wtf

[slim kernel]

hatred personally

[random seal]

bleak slow/HC

[blissful scaffold]

Hatred....

[slim kernel]

yes I hate them

[blissful scaffold]

?

Hang on let me check

[slim kernel]

bleak or voltshot

[slim bolt]

overload is dogpoop this season

[brazen fern]

would you rather a) use outbreak and not buff your teammates rockets or b) support your teammates rockets with ad clear potential and a free 20% damage buff just by using the gun

[random seal]

oh ya voltshot mb

[slim bolt]

would you rather a) use outbreak with ur other team mates

[blissful scaffold]

Overload is tied so heavily HC or sword

[random seal]

their odd opinion is a result of bias

[wanton halo]

C use sweet business

[slim bolt]

literally what a dogsht would u rather 😭

[slim kernel]

D use edge transit

[random seal]

sweet business is the new thunderlord

[brazen fern]

for what reason when i can use gjally and buff their rockets instead

[blissful scaffold]

Indebt with voltshot can handle overload and unstop

[tired hill]

Matters on the level of coordination... The current burns....what we are fighting... I can't just say yes or no to that lol

[slim kernel]

boss dies quick af in gms anyway

[slim bolt]

i use edge with outbreak 🔥

[slim kernel]

outbreak just makes the stuff before quicker imo

just hold down shoot and afk

[brazen fern]

outbreak will be forgotten next episode anyways

[slim bolt]

and if ur out of /low on heavy, its good insurance

[tired hill]

Probably.

[stoic abyss]

peregrine sweep

[random seal]

machine guns feel quite nice too not for dps ofc just annoying ads

[slim kernel]

i beg the seasonal weapons are rlly nice

[random seal]

peregrine is fire tbf

[slim bolt]

why

[slim kernel]

Anti barrier ig

[random seal]

scorn theme = cool designs right guys please

[wanton halo]

If use outbreak: gain huge super energy and big D damage
Else: you suck

[quasi berry]

feel nice for dps as well against orange bars

[slim bolt]

plus prismatic too

[tired hill]

I'd rather use graviton and the call.

[slim kernel]

recon machine guns are nice for gm

[random seal]

Ye just meant bosses, i promise i dont use machine gun for boss damage

[slim kernel]

im so sick of the call

[random seal]

im bored of it too

[crude moon]

does anyone know for guardian rank 11, do i have to do the full master dungeon or just the final boss?

[random seal]

indebted sounds nicer

[tired hill]

I don't have lightfall key

I'll have the fire one soon enough.

[slim bolt]

what does it ask u to do

[crude moon]

complete the most recent dungeon on master

but idk if that means i have to do every encounter or just the final boss

[brazen fern]

same weapon, different element

[tired hill]

Probably a full clear.

[brazen fern]

complete always means boss

[slim bolt]

i think a boss will do

[slim kernel]

Indebted kindess 💪
The call 🤓

[wanton halo]

Boss cp works

[crude moon]

thanks

[random seal]

stanky strand weapon

feel like paper gun but deal 200k

[brazen fern]

real

[tired hill]

The call works just fine.

[blissful scaffold]

@slim kernel fan maded gun

[brazen fern]

actually does more damage than indebted for some reason

[wanton halo]

I’d give the win to indebted if it could get enhanced perks but enhanced LFG call is too good

[slim kernel]

pretty cool tbf

[random seal]

what is the reason dungeons dont have enhance, only prophecy

[slim kernel]

idk why they didnt let us enhance warlords gear

[slim bolt]

anyone know what the solar rocket sidearm is called

[slim kernel]

Aberrant action

[random seal]

abberant action?

ts on light.gg i think

[broken yoke]

hot take shaxx is hot

[slim bolt]

ty

[blissful scaffold]

Ur pfp is cute. Can i see it in full ?

[wanton halo]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smile-shyboos-smile-gif-24233810

[slim bolt]

idk where hte pic is

[thorn tulip]

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[wanton halo]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-age-sid-call-me-give-me-your-number-give-me-a-call-gif-16699821

[blissful scaffold]

@wanton halo nightmare hunt ?

[peak harness]

Did the change the colors of the new raider tag or am i trippin

[wanton halo]

Artifice armor, GMs and master salvations edge challenge on the menu for tonight. We can do that tomorrow probably

[broken yoke]

how do the new roles work everyone else has got the raid roles but i dont and im registed??

[wanton halo]

Yea it’s called gay yellow now

[blissful scaffold]

Holy u busy

[mystic flame]

Is there a way to enhance weapons that can be crafted without crafting them? Like if a godroll drops for me?

[tired hill]

No.

[blissful scaffold]

@wanton halo what is the master challenge for 3rd encounter ?

[jagged sage]

enhancing is only for non craftable weapons

[mystic flame]

Such an L

You can literally enhance crafteds

[blissful scaffold]

@jagged sage how is ZZZ?

[quasi condor]

they named a game 💤

[wanton halo]

Don’t pick the same shape in a row . If you pick triangle first your second shape can’t be triangle and your third one must not match with your second

[jagged sage]

very bouncy and good

[blissful scaffold]

Oh damm. So only the closer can pick up shapes ? Sender must leave some for closer so they can pick up different shape

[blissful scaffold]

How is the gameplay ?

[tired hill]

It's ok kinda like a mix between dmc and Genshin impact.

[blissful scaffold]

Thanks... Uhm

[tired hill]

Better than tfd

[alpine garnet]

super good

[jagged sage]

Its kinda like Honkai Impact 3rd

[blissful scaffold]

WHICH IS YOUR FORTE

[tropic sparrow]

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[tired hill]

Zenless zone zero

[blissful scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/honkai-impact-herrscher-of-sentience-chibi-spinning-gif-23357552

[jagged sage]

Zenlezs Zone Zero. It’s Hoyoverse’s 4th game

[alpine garnet]

plus feels like the most advanced hoyo game so far

[jagged sage]

I mean all 4 games are my forte

[tired hill]

No.

[tropic sparrow]

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[eager path]

aqui é corintias

[wanton halo]

Everyone can pick shapes just needs to be a bit coordinated

[alpine garnet]

animations and models superb, world feels alive, gameplay very smooth

[tired hill]

For a mobile game... It's not bad at all.

[jagged sage]

The only issue is that there isn’t much exploration

[blissful scaffold]

U got a team ?

[jagged sage]

Most of the time you’re stuck in the tv maze

[tired hill]

Yah... But I see that as a good thing not a bad thing.

I don't like wandering around.

[jagged sage]

I mean like I said, Its like Honkai Impact 3rd. HI3 was lacking in exploration until actually pretty recently with Part 2

[alpine garnet]

true but genshin feels somewhat clunky now after hsr and zzz

[jagged sage]

You haven’t played Honkai Impact 3rd’s exploration

Genshin is waaaaay smoother

[deep dune]

The only think being impacted is your bank account

[jagged sage]

Good thing I can afford it

[deep dune]

Why waste the money on gachas

[buoyant moon]

mom pays rent

[tired hill]

I don't... You don't really need to.

[deep dune]

You could like, buy me something from the steam sale instead

[tired hill]

Just play the game or don't lol

[quasi condor]

gambling 🤤

[deep dune]

True

[coral walrus]

oh god its finally over

[alpine garnet]

true. i wish hi3rd had good controls. i didn't figure out the most convinient mnk controls layout

[coral walrus]

how? i dont know. we got to the boss with liek 4 minutes left

[jagged sage]

Cuz they’re fun. Full of story, lore aesthetic, nice characters etc

[deep dune]

But you could be playing Destiny 2

[jagged sage]

My Hoyo games take priority

[alpine garnet]

destiny 2 feels subpar to them tho

[wanton halo]

LFG

[deep dune]

I wasn't being serious

[jagged sage]

They took priority during Pantheon and during Salvation Edge day one

[quasi condor]

cant shatterskate in gachas literally unplayable

[alpine garnet]

i heard zzz made almost $25 mln first five days on mobile only. i guess bungie make that much in year

[thorn tulip]

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[amber zinc]

hoyo players are notorious whales

[jagged sage]

Yes I am

[amber zinc]

eugh wtf is this color

[jagged sage]

And proud

They call me Sabah da 🐳

[amber zinc]

are they tryin to make me pay just to get a different color

[buoyant moon]

you could always play the game

[quasi condor]

yeah they downgraded the colour so people would buy a role or boost the server

[jagged sage]

[alpine garnet]

way better than white names

[scarlet sapphire]

anyone know the gr on the gm sniper this week

[quasi condor]

true

[deep dune]

Getting a Twilight Oath

Or an Ikelos SR

[jagged sage]

Or using still hunt

[blissful scaffold]

Do the brick throw gif

[fleet sinew]

pve god roll is +1000 glimmer

[loud sable]

can someone explain how to join people in the LFG chats

[crude moon]

boss cp does not work

[quasi condor]

use /join (bungiename and their #) in the ingame chat

[fluid cairn]

How can I get calus mini tool ?

[loud sable]

thank you

[slim bolt]

presage

[frozen swift]

Ayyy the peach color stayed

[wanton halo]

It’s not peach color. We call it gay yellow

[frozen swift]

It's peach color

[quasi condor]

gay yellow

[slim bolt]

its ugly

[frozen swift]

Loaf wtf!!!!!

[slim bolt]

i speak the truth

[thorn tulip]

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[quasi condor]

ermm im not yellow

[frozen swift]

A 4th of this server is gay

[wanton halo]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-family-guy-gay-human-gif-13777469

[thorn tulip]

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[quasi condor]

:3

[deep dune]

:3

[quasi berry]

where do I get this

[wanton halo]

At the local Walmart store

[quasi berry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1213292674392522814/1259094608466411560/togif.gif

[wanton halo]

Bad aerodynamics when you wellskate. You lose about 20% momentum

[fervent veldt]

goobie snoobert

[quasi berry]

just use another rocket sidearm or go back to exotic legendaries lmao

[quasi condor]

snoobie goobert

[queen onyx]

there is a new exotic class item mission dupe glitch?

[thorn tulip]

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[mystic flame]

Been running wastelander and scattersignal

[thorn tulip]

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[mystic flame]

It’s long. You basically do the mission twice

[quasi berry]

it only counts from current expansion

[thorn tulip]

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[fervent veldt]

hi reshay hi bluejay

[thorn tulip]

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[mystic flame]

You have to do raids to have clears

[zenith widget]

Everyone has, yes?

[knotty verge]

its mid dps

[wanton halo]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-spongebob-gif-18104249

[fervent veldt]

hi zoe

omg youre a pink name again

[knotty verge]

i was never pink name

[fervent veldt]

besides the red

[knotty verge]

thats just nitro booster, not pink name

[fervent veldt]

oh!

[wanton halo]

She dropped the benjies

[knotty verge]

did you know aegers scepter has higher total dps than euphoney

[wanton halo]

[knotty verge]

boot to orbit

[twilit pewter]

i am also swapping to thunderlord 😎

[wanton halo]

Report them

[meager flower]

IK zoe would kick

[fervent veldt]

i love looking at pc builds

[wanton merlin]

Always kick

[meager flower]

Like the set ups?

Yeah some got crazy looking set ups lol

[fervent veldt]

i would love to build a all white pc

and maybe wooden panels?

[jagged sage]

I haven’t even cleared the raid

[fervent veldt]

🤤

[jagged sage]

The only reason to kick a player from a fireteam is if they’re using a glaive

[tired hill]

Lol

[quasi condor]

id promote them to leader

[slim bolt]

banned

[jagged sage]

So you will all fail together

[reef coyote]

I dont like eggs that much

[amber arrow]

what did glaives do to you

[jagged sage]

They’re bad

[amber arrow]

they're not unusable

[jagged sage]

I always say “use whatever you like. Except glaives”

[slim bolt]

theyre bad

[ornate scarab]

Hi, does the memory vestige and transgressive have more use after unlocking the chests?

[jagged sage]

You can get pale heart engrams and stuff if you unlock the chests again

[ornate scarab]

I see, thanks

[reef coyote]

@knotty verge I dream of being a tribal chieftain eating spiced fish and other food

[tired hill]

Neat.

[knotty verge]

so real

[fallow cedar]

Does the class item version of necrotic have synergy with weapons of sorrow if you aren't on warlock?

[reef coyote]

I wish I had about 60 people and a large uninhabited patch of forest/mountain

For purposes

[stiff galleon]

it's only on warlock

[fallow cedar]

Ggs I just wasted 3 hours farming for a roll then 😭

[deep dune]

It doesnt even drop on other classes

[tough sable]

hi

woke up to 13 class items and another apoth ses 🤓

[coral walrus]

cool

im still waiting on my innmost verity

😦

[fickle briar]

damn

[jagged sage]

I’m having fun with my arma hoil on my titan

[last meteor]

Hi guys, I have a question.
If I do Witch Queen campaign now on Legendary difficulty, will I be able to get Osmiomancy gloves (warlock) ?

[jagged sage]

Yes?

[mystic flame]

Yes

[jagged sage]

I honestly don’t remember

Oh

Then yes

I go bed now

[mystic flame]

Alternatively you can burn an exotic cipher at rahool or get the exotic class item for Osmiomancy

[jagged sage]

[last meteor]

There are 2 exotic options to receive at the end of campaign, if we select 1, can we get the second option if we do the campaign on legendary again ?

[jagged sage]

No

The other you get by reseting rank with Rahool

[brazen fern]

bro these mfs on reddit are not real man

[tough sable]

hey i think on dim , how do you get to the page where it shows all the combos of thr class item and which ones youve acquired

[brazen fern]

some bozo is trying to convince me that outbreak is better for ad clear than firefly + incandescent on nullify 😭😭😭

[last meteor]

I have reset Rahool rank prestige 2. But Osmiomancy gloves are still locked.

[brazen fern]

how can you be so confidently incorrect

[tough sable]

ego

its kind of gas for ad clear but he tripin

[umbral harness]

god i want that roll so bad

[fleet sinew]

tbf that is like trying to work out who the tallest midget is, either way ur still using a pulse rifle for add clear

[knotty verge]

both suck compared to forb

[tough sable]

and a exotic one

[fleet sinew]

yep was about to say this or sunshot lol

[knotty verge]

also why are we using pulses in the year of 2024

[tough sable]

pulse for ad clear ew

[jagged sage]

There’s a third page

[tough sable]

U have to 3 times

Reset

[jagged sage]

That too

[brazen fern]

because nullify is great

hits like a truck

[knotty verge]

this shi has booty cheeks stats

[umbral harness]

pulses are so satisfying tho

[jagged sage]

Blast furnace go burrr explosion tremor

[tough sable]

true i just dont have it bc i suck

[fleet sinew]

non exotic primaries :/

[umbral harness]

also whats the god roll on forbe?

[fleet sinew]

AA/chain

[umbral harness]

ahh

[tough sable]

i still havent beat verity because lfg =meanies

[reef coyote]

Would you join RodWaffle Tribe

[brazen fern]

i almost never run double special because i dont really see the point now that heavy ammo regen is gone

[knotty verge]

yes bro

[knotty verge]

bc they have the best adclear?

[tough sable]

shorty waffle on my rod till i syrup

[brazen fern]

whats the point if a primary does the same level of ad clear

[reef coyote]

The point of double special is that special weapons are just better than primaries

[knotty verge]

they dont

[last meteor]

Thanks man

[reef coyote]

She dingle on my ling till I ishowspeed

[knotty verge]

only thing that can ad clear like a special is sunshot and trinity ghoul

[jagged sage]

I will use primaries regardless.

[reef coyote]

I will be blacksmith

[brazen fern]

i will too

[tough sable]

Im tryna do a grandmaster leviathan

[reef coyote]

They're mainly used for terrain issues and consistency

[brazen fern]

nullify is literally sunshot as a pulse

[knotty verge]

exactly

[reef coyote]

And extra heavy but in raids you dont need that as much