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There's also a line about the witness being frustrated with the game the winnower plays but I forgor
yes soon
The sword logic is presented as a bastardization of the Witnesses end goal, but it aligns very, very closely with what the Winnower describes in Unveiling
the good ending
Yes
Tell me this isn't just the sword logic like
Those universes are gone lol, they're previous universes from before this one was created
the winnower is disappointed at the hyperdimensional blandness of the flower game though
the fact that it always results in the same pattern
thats the gardener
I mean yuh, its just the endless cycle of life and death
whatr do you do with the memory vestige?
it doesnt like the gardener's philosophy of "random bullsht go"
the gardener thinks its beautiful
has anyone else noticed it still requires legendary shards to get the edge of intent pattern?
thats like fully flipped
wait did I read the entry wrong
i'm pretty sure it's the other way around
it wants to narrow down the possibilities of life
bro 71 just for it to be the most dogwater roll? it's on sight with rahool
where is salvations lfg?
D2 back to being boring af. TFS was nothing but theft
rather than create more possibilities like the gardener
Itās war rig who actually cares at all
heres the attention you craved, now leave
Holy š£
fukk you
didn't say anyone does bro, calm down
ah yes I did misread it
yo where's my duo flaw master crota carry
the bait is rotten dude
In this discord šš»
Check #salvationās-edge
omg i should've thought about that!
made a joke and got 20 pings man
the gardener wants more randomness
isnt the traveler like the most benevolent being to ever exist
My moods live on that swing, swing push me harder
the winnower admires the patterns
like its actually wild
bro said "what if the meta changed"
and higher
thats basically the gardener, push out 1000 balance changes and see what happens
its like a dead beat dad who says he'll be there but never shows up
@reef coyote
Anyone else not able to claim rank rewards from Saint 14?
im not kidding
You would appreciate this
Apparently thats a common bug
the salvations edge lfg bait
@reef coyote
priceless
summoner with hammer forged/fluted. extendo/high cal and heal clip incan is it cooked
Assuming no fix or will Bungie award rewards afterwards in cases like this?
Heres a better question, why are you playing Trials?
How do you unlock Breach Executable Expert?
Taint 14 being silus stingy
š¤£
what yall think
pinnacle climb
You NEED wings of sacred dawn to do witness damage
Bungie is a billion dollar company but cant fix their dial up servers, its pathetic
the stylish executioner aspect
okay but the new rule is the traveller
small indie dev
I hate how they made a boss attack you in dps and kill through the well
Needs the stats balanced out a bit better. It's likely a mobility roll that was dropped, given that the highest rolling stat was mobility.
Worst boss even bungie did not cook
bungie is a billion dollar company that had to give up halo
the light and darkness are the new rules right
you NEED abeyant leap to use gathering storm
i have 2 jobs and 30 minutes of free time a night, no time to be learning a dark souls boss attack @reef coyote
I hate the fact that it seems like only still hunt does anything against him
are better than corporate ones
secret heat rises tech š¤«
I just wanna ad clear
My favorite part of TFS post campaign was Mithrax straight up "Stand by for Titanfall"-ing his old accomplice
i guess light and dark are the fundamental driving forces of the universe
yeah, that which bungie is not one of
I did pretty good with fourth times target lock retrofit
So true he should just sit and make you shoot him
they def arent indie
Yes, the primordial forces of Light and Darkness inserted themselves into the Flower Game to make it more interesting.
I got 1.5M DPS
but they werenāt in the game when they explored the possibilities and only found eternal patterns
Yeah but that's the best weapon for damage so
I saw clyde recommend it
i've seen people do well with microcosm, but i haven't done the raid cuz none of the loot interests me so i can't comment
for the coop iconoclasm mission, is there any way to switch whos getting the glyphtouched buff?
i hate when bungie makes bosses fight back....isn't it enough that we had to do all those hard mechanics?...
if your doing void dps why not use edge transit
Those missions are too hard for me and my buddy to do
L take or bait ngl
perhaps they agreed or something?
We have full time jobs
or if your using a machine gun use comm or hammerhead
its kind of a mystery why light and dark exist
aww. It's a shame cuz the weapon is genuinely worth it
whoever kills the thing that drops it maybe
retrofit with target lock (enhanced) and fttc(enhanced) better
I donāt think they agreed
otherwise why the knife
could be intellect
itās definitely not
Im hoping one day one of the youtubers like gsxrclyde can carry me with it
agreed to disagree?
like opposing one another
I couldnt get past wave 24 in onslaught
so the gardener birthed the light and the winnower birthed the darkness
i hate when casuals talk tr*sh about easy use options like LMGS....they do very high dps, just let me play the game elitist.
censoring trash is nasty work
i don't like using naughty words in a partnered server
thats ass
yeah but im not sure if they agreed, I think the gardener introduced the light as a new rule and the winnower disagreed and tried to suppress it with darkness
nah, ill destroy it and my teammate still gets the buff
"now draw the gardener giving birth"
that last line has come full circle
I just wanted the new pulse rifle.
i humbly apologize i have had an exhausting day
yeah thatās why weāre looking at this book rn
we believe the witness has gone rogue
that the final shape the witness has in mind does not correspond to the one of the winnower
yup
that the winnower is looking for a world without the light but the witness for one without entropy
i hope we get to fight an aphelion at some point
but a world without the light is a world without life isnt it?
can the final raid boss be skibidi toilet?
nonono
the light was never part of the game when the patterns still existed
life existed
but only in patterns
or rather a world without the terraforming and physical properties of light
if you want easy damage thereās better options to retrofit, like 1k with ashes or levi
retro is very focused on what it wants do
Someone please tell me zavala had bounties last season and he doesnāt have them this season
what the fck is your name bruh
i can't use 1000 voices....i always die when i use it....
while with other options you have more versatility
What should I get as titan (Wishful Ignorance or Hazardous Propulsion)??
anybody got any tips for warlock dps on enigma solo?
some of the overthrow dialogue is quite interesting regarding the lights properties
mmm,, pathfinder
why are you thay close to your target
the ogre looked cute and huggable
Im guessing the winnowers purpose in the new game is to supress the light so the big flower game does not deviate from its destined pattern
"Photographer Disqualified From AI Image Contest After Winning With Real Photo" They have AI image contests??
i did lightfall legendary but i didnt get my exotic armor anyeone knows a solution??
Bounties were so much easier, anyways Iāll grind Eris morn bounties then
the flower game is pikmin 4
yeah so the light is essentially the random and extremely volatile variable here
Go see nimbus
its the same but ok
creating life from nothing
Can you still get high-stat armor from Failsafe?
Nobody asked you
I believe so
yeah the only thing which could create randomness in a superdimensional game
W Roll? Caliban + Synthoceps
Happy father's day everyone
the winnower just suppresses life, but doesnt create it out of nothing
thank you, I really need some
how are you gonna have biotic activated? caliban will kill all the enemies required!!
the witness supressed life
makes sense
thats so true, but I still have it activated somehow
the witness would have also broken the game
because a flower dies or lives by terms of overpopulation or reproduction
so moral of the story is that the witness is an extremist bozo
and a world with life but a frozen would violate the binary nature of the flowers
I think so yes
the witness had experienced what itās like to have no purpose, gave itself purpose (the final shape) and did what it had to do to achieve it
they where on that grindset
its interesting how the names were chosen, because winnowing and gardening arent really opposites but moreso different stages of agrictulture
but⦠by getting close to the final shape heās essentially doing the gardeners work
Solar Vortex Frame has been long overdue.
witness this witness that how about we witness a job application
the final shape in one universe would actually make the flower game more random
my applications have been witnessed and winnowed
the gardener essentially just wants to continue growing more and more plants, while the winnower wants to refine
what if the witness almost achieved the gardeners mission
mission failed successfully?
slipknot if it was awesome: all ive gyatt... all ive gyatt is insane!
a universe which is neither alive nor dead
a universe that doesnt exist
would certainly add complexity to the game like the gardener wanted
or a universe where there is only light and dark
more like a universe with no entropy
where everything is frozen forever
that was the final shape
So, we're going to spend the next 350some days curbstomping Dread remnants.
it would heavily disrupt the final shape as the winnower wanted it
so essentially superposition but brought into reality
is it just me or do the attendants' guns do like an insane amount of damage
i should probably go to sleep
In the raid or everywhere else?
more like getting the echoes of our battle out of enemy hands
I was about to say the same thing
and 00:31 yawn
Everywhere
,eeeow
huh
destiny lore is a hell of a drug
sure is
Hm...cant rly feel it in open world but it does hit hard in SE
cant say i dont love it
meh fk it, imma go eat the chicken and fries i made and watch my 600 pound life (because thats good for my mental health)
The Dread are leaderless, along with the Taken, Wrathborn, and House Salvation remnants. They gonna have to evolve in order to take us by surprise.
I thought they would go under xivu
I was really hoping for flower game stuff in salvations edge but now I realise the witness is actually contradicting the flower game with his final shape
like conways game of life I mean
the wrathborn arent, theyre still under Xivu
wtf is this flower game
Nah we be dunking on them 24/7
game of creation
just that xivu aint very active because, well, shes hiding
like in super mario 64
ddint play it
now that legendary shards are gone this is no longer accurate
And mortal. Due to season of witch.
youngin
i imagine suddenly becoming mortal would be quite the reality check
hence why shes hiding
Ye
basically according to some lore book theres an infinite grid of universes and itās a game of life
she'll come up with some scheme, aint like were going to the dreadnaught for no reason
Brutish bruisers in D2 not aggressive enough. Requesting modification of AI to make Tormentors and Husks more aggressive.
its obviously because of queens fall!!!
and the two entities playing it are in the game in the shape of light and darkness (I firmly believe this)
maybe she will kamakazi it into the traveler
like the sundial into the sun
the speed boost husks get from harbingers should be base
maow
ive fallen for my queen (luzaku)
i did
Honestly, the Tormentors use their jump attack too often. They need to utilize Dark Harvest more.
they need to be faster during it or let them grab you jumping
itās so easy to avoid
Good thing that shooting them breaks the Dark Harvest.
the Winnower is Order, the Gardener is Chaos, the game they play is what creates the universe -- the Winnower is the epitome of the Hives sword Logic
Or blinds? Specific tormentors ig
give them Potemkin heat knuckle
right, but light is chaos and darkness is order right
It would be quite interesting if Dark Harvest actually stole health points from the target player to refill the Tormentor's health bar.
yes
ayo fromsoft acknowledged seamless coop
when the Gardener proposed a new rule to "the game" they play, it was The Traveler
Wait rly
"FromSoftware says Elden Ring's popular Seamless Co-op mod is 'definitely not something we actively oppose,' and may even 'consider ideas like that with our future games'"
nuh uh
right
The Witness wanted to end the game, forever
no he didn't
which channel should i LFG for a cooperative focus mission?
Bro didnāt play the last 3 expansions
except his final shape in one universe could never lead to the game ending
ig #story-quests ?
Shud be #story-quests but point out the coop
gotchya
It also cannot be progressed, is staring at the title screen really playing
liar
boss tormentors would be ass to go against then
In his own words there will be no more death because there is no more life
i had a really bad feelin youāve been lying to me
and the winnower did the same but with the veil, only meant to cleanly counteract the traveler rule without many side effects. And so the veil chased the traveler across dimensions until they both arrived in ours
Goin at it alone would be ass. A team would be able to stop any Dark Harvests from happening.
by killing the witness did we just commit genocide
Yes and no.
So crude way of saying this is...demigod threw a hissy fit over ball of light?
The Veil and The Traveler were once one being
My belief is that the witness kind of went rogue and became conscious, the precursors had lost control of it Long ago, they wanted us to kill them to kill the witness
thatās not what Iām saying. Im saying the game is played on an infinite grid of universes. And so the witnessā final shape in one of them would be like a dead pixel on a screen
it was suggested the Traveler may have, or may be developing the ability to use Darkness again after we excized The Witness from it
Now we just gotta see what they look like when we stuff the Veil into the Pale Heart.
Hell yea witness part 2, it goes in the square hole š
ngl the veil looks cooler than the traveler
so the traveler rule was signed off on by the winnower?
prolly just a big ass rainbow ball
Probably evolved prismatic?
The Gardener suggested it, The Winnower agreed with it
whos the demigod here?
I assume it works kinda like dragon ball superās hierarchy with the gardener being the Kais and the winnower being the god if destruction
if I could choose I'd the veil. it looks cooler
Wasn't the Winnower shocked by the Gardener's Traveler rule?
alright I thought the veil was an attempt at stopping the traveler rule in its tracks
Hm...idk, witness? Imo its a grey area to classify him as a demigod.
essentially creating a perfect counter rule which would perfectly block out the travelers impact on the grand scheme of the game
There is nothing that would make him any more divine than we are as guardians, but his power is essentially that of a godās
i hope we get a female witness with jiggle physics
i mean we did unfinal the shape
hellaur!
The Witness was what one would refer to as a gestalt consciousness, or in simpler terms, a compound mind.
no we're told during Lightfall they were one and the same originally to begin with lol
Yeah, he's not 100% omnipotent, but he did fuse his own race and rule over multiple lower species.
I wonder if the worldās first team quantum suicided like a thousand timelines by dying to the wipe mechanic and restarting
i hope the witness comes back as a muscular black dude
hey bud stop speaking in big words
Stop it your turning me on
big black woman with a massive rack
Iām not ready for Tyrone

His final shape is a cylinder
The BBC trumpet horns
yeah so the gardener and winnower agreed on getting the traveler + veil combo into some universe on the grid and then the gardener cheated and split them or sm
i mean a demigod is just a being with more power than a human but less than a god
big black cloud
halfway there basically
instead of the final shape. it'll be the final stroke š©š¦
To be fair there was no literal gods in destiny, only ones in name alone
We have no comparisons
i mean the definition of what a god is varies heavily between mythologies
as far as we know only the Winnower and the Gardener are actual gods
if you run out of time on Dual Destiny, does it orbit you or go back to checkpoint?
and, allgedly, Nezerac is now a god too
orbit like zero hour
gods in the destiny universe are defined in terms of their worshippers, not their power
hey fellas for salvations edge is well usefull? for the witness fight
yes and no
not really, Rhulk had no worshippers but was considered a God, all Disciples were
like the christian god is the literal creator of everything, while the greek/roman gods are more conceptual in nature
not really. maybe to get some HP back quick if you didn't dodge fast enough
he can only be manifested by worship though right
isn't The Guardian a god
yeah Nezerac is just a disembodied consciousness now, he's basically the concept of Pain
Not everytime, the well died down to a x2 restoration. But still useful during your dps phase
no
Did anybody actually āworshipā the witness? Besides like rhulk and maybe nezarac it seems like everyone else was playing along to survive
no, we're god-like, but not gods at all
naruhodo
takes multiple guardians to kill a god
no, he's just a compound mind of a billion souls
Oh so twitter
can we go to the witnesses Homeworld one day
that'd be pogchamp. extremely poggers
i mean The Witness even says it during the raid.... he isn't a god, he's just the knife in a gods hand
well the winnower/gardener do transcend time and dimensions
Yup. Not sure how a billion souls can get stuffed into a single body, but the ritual worked regardless.
which is a lie
even ig lesser gods? like oryx took multiple guardians to take down and even they had to use light that oryx had stolen
im pretty sure that joint got erased off the star chart
you sure?
Does twitter actually have a hivemind? Arent arguments rampant in that platform?
so do the Vex, we know the Vex have taken over other universes already
so how exactly is it decided who gets the glyphsight buff on the coop iconoclasm mission? i let my teammate shoot the resonance thingy and i still get it, and we'd be much better off if i didnt
yeah i dont get the hivemind thing, maybe before musk?
yes, because the Winnower does not control the Witness
which part are you at?
Itās more like 2 hiveminds clashing now
but musk is just kinda letting everyone run rampant
Before musk only 1 was allowed
Ngl im ok with it, the bots are my only issue
we were at the ogre but we restarted to see if we could change who got the buff, and that didnt work either so now we're at the 2nd banner
They are powerless in these universes. Incorporeal if you will right?
I have to say that was a weird move, its like 4chan but more stable
nope, they exist, we just dunno where and why or what exactly they are
We still require the origin story for the Vex. If I'm not mistaken, they are the pattern in the Flower game that always won, and when the Universe was created, they were inserted along with the Big Bang.
if the gardener could change the properties of the flowers in the game he would have
stand in the rings before shooting the walnuts i think
Iād say more along the lines of āthey are so powerful that they have no reason to care about us in particularā
there's a lore book that mentions "the garden" had a big fight in it once and when the fight ended a silver-winged great tree was cut down and reduced to a stump
so fun fact of the day -- you can see THAT tree inside The Black Garden / GOS
which means the Vex know what it is
The vex origins are still unknown?
idc what year it is ikelos shotgun puts in the work and u canāt tell me otherwise
the person with the glyphsight buff never gets the shielded from darkness buff, so i want my teammate to have the glyphsight buff so i can be the one to go down below
it looks like a massive grayish white mountain in the distance but it's actually just a simulation of the great tree
the vex are pretty much a god though
but we cant figure out how to give a specific person the glyphsight buff
atheon was more dangerous than the witness lorewise
All we know is that theyāve existed for as long as the fight between the gardener and winnower, whether or not they were a direct result of that is debatable
yes, they could be a culling force made by the Winnower and Gardener, or something else, we dunno
Yes and no, only inside of the vault
for the most part, we know theyre about as old as/older than the traveler but beyond that nothing
absolutely not
And even then I doubt heās beating the witness even if in the vault
atheon could transcend dimensions
Atheon can erase you from time
We were trash compared to what we are now and we still smacked him
the witness could never
???
All I know is that the Vex have existed in time from the start of the Destiny chronology.
sorry but The Witness can't even out power that
Rhulk challenged the witness in a 1v1 combat
the only reason we beat Atheon was because of The Aegis
It doesnāt matter how strong atheon is, the best he can do is guess at when or how we use our powers, vex canāt comprehend paracausal abikities
The Aegis anchors us in time keeping us from being erased
We know it, they were a previous "winner" in the garden game and their "algorithm" basically found its way into our universe after the gardener made herself a rule in the game. More or less, there's a bit more to it, tho
Stand in the triangle zone e.g. to shoot triangle hand, see what buff u need, if its sphere, go circle zone for short while, take buff, go back triangle to shoot hand
Ic
WHICH ONE AM I MISSING I HAVE ALL THE QUESTS, I THINK I GOT IT FROM MEATBALL TOO REEEEE
im not sure, this is kinda headcanon, but i think that anything created within the vault are "immune" to its effects, hence why the aegis works like it does
oh?
the aegis is paracausal, that's why it's immune
and why it acted as an anchor for us
so are guardians, they aint immune
guardians arenāt paracausal
not intrinsically anyway
Guardians were erased when they stopped using their powers and hence stopped being paracausal
i think thats for something we havent come across yet, we havent seen anything like that
Is the traveler sword also made out of a dead guy or just the shield?
Yes we needed the aegis, the witness would not
Triumph of all bosses, 6 cysts?
guardians are nothing without their host. Their host is human. Human erased from time = no guardian
the Aegis was created out of light
the travelers sword follows the same logic
Golden Gun is made out of light
the light we use is
Thats actually your ticket for getting glyphbreaker to shoot witness button
As far as I know there isnāt any specific material, the traveller was drowning and saw us reaching for it, in one last moment of consciousness it reached back and in its hand was a sword
does anyone have problem with saint 14?
we are considering whether a guardian could exist if a part of it was removed from time
guardians are teechnically paracausal because they are completely reconstructed with the light on their first "rez"
Aegis mentioned ā¼ļø ā¼ļø
have fun lol
they are but they had to exist before hand
Yes, Guardians are still human in essence (Awoken and Exos are heavily modified humans).
Besides the fact that his brotherhood with Osiris was retconned into a relationship heās fine
cysts? what do you need cysts for, 8 collectibles and 9 from bosses, i have all these achievments
the Vex made it so we never existed at all, period
nothing other then the fact his relationship with osiris is written terribly
right but atheon could wipe the original host from time
The person of the guardian isn't paracausal, you are right, but their body is, and they use paracausal power
Any active clans I can join?
i cant claim his rewards
oh.
LMAO no clue why thats happening didnt think you meant the vendor
so if you erase Little Timmy from time before he became Timmy The Guardian you kill Timmy the Guardian
Crazy that Microcosm was the reason for the kinetic nerf
maybe relaunch into the tower?
just dont give the 15% to heavies lol
correct but that doesn't make a guardian NOT paracausal
Yeah im tired of being called homophobic over it, if Osiris was a woman and Saint called her sister and it became a relationship id still be grossed out
why havent the vex done this are they stupid?
it's easier to just say we're not paracausal while we're not channeling the light lmao
Our Light may fade away hundreds of thousands of times, but guess what? We always come back, because Guardians (the players) never die.
Oh wait those are motes i forgot, 6 cyst is for the encryption bits. My guess its still a bug then
they don't have the power to do it on mass, the Vault of Glass was basically a massive engine designed for it
Thats weird
Im left with 5 motes from blooming and impasse sadly
its not that its gross, just that its pretty blatant that bungie did it to fit some kind of quota, because it clearly wasnāt planned
Sort of, the thought of the guardian's themselves being paracausal is sort of a gray area, but we absolutely use paracausal power so yeah
only 1 more ghost reset for the triumph
gotta wait for the fix and collect all other things in meantime i guess
...god this takes so long
the aegis cannot be removed from
time because it is pure light. Same counts for the traveler. Which makes me believe the vex are still below the gardener/winnower in the lore hierarchy
who cares where the guardian officially scales to we r op
Idk Iām desensitized to forced inclusivity but they had a whole thing calling eachother brother and the speaker father
The Great Destiny 2 Callout War:
they can't remove light because they don't understand wtf it even is
idk people talk about doing it with savathun a dude being in a relationship with a robot isnāt that strange its moreso thats it shallow and it being felt like an afterthought
Gladd cant count to 9
they are. They only have control of time within the vault of glass too
the Vex only deal in 1's and 0's and the Light isn't digitizable lol
btw thereās NO reason we shouldāve beaten the witness i mean it literally one shot guardians before
Whatās the best guns in helm for red border I have 99 engrams
but why would you spend the time to count when you can just look at it and recognize the numbers as a clock
bro did not play the campaign
no he's got a point, the Witness could blink stuff out of existence with a thought
Ive never seen a clock missing a quarter but ok
Itās more the whole āin destiny 1 they addressed each other as brothersā
it shouldāve one shot us the second we were interfering
rick kackis standing up for us š„¹
Whatās the best guns in helm for red border I have 99 engrams
Anyway calling out the numbers isnt hard
it's just the Witness didn't want to kill us initially, he wanted to persuade us
that as well their relationship was retconned which is also annoying
one small issue tho
the witness didnāt NEED to persuade us
need to say one thing briefly, trials sweats deserve the bad things that happen to them in life
they werent the main character
i'm not saying it's hard, i'm saying you have to count to read it which is annoying
tf is mara doing against it?
Correct but anything with paracausal power OR paracausal in nature cannot be predicted by them. Plus the vex only ever had "real" time travel in the vault
he didn't need to pretend to be a benevolant entity either
reading a clock is as simple as taking a glance, and you immediately know what is a 2, what is a 7 andw hatnot
but the witness dropped the facade as soon as our ghost spat in his face
It isnt but ok it was how i was taught and it feels fluid and is fast
shouldāve killed us thatās all iām saying
Need a character limit increase. Getting tired of @bright grotto killing my messages.
couldāve killed us
Mara was unironically moaning in the first mission after a peripheral glance from the witness
Rhulk could've easily mopped the floor with us too, and didn't, it's called hubris
Just spam
if the winnower ends up being an enemy thereās no reason we should be able to beat it
the vex are described as superuniversal though. For all we know they are the basic rules of the flower game
It did, that was the point of the campaign because the witness knew we had the potential to stop it. So it tried to sway us
Mara was literally holding the fker back
it does it multiple times during the raid
i personally still do 1-9 on the first clock (although i count left to right cuz reasons), and an actual clock for the other one
So could a bunch of the bosses tbf
No, i think he was persuading for the purpose of inviting people like us into the final shape until iconoclasm.
Yea thats what i do
yuh but the ghosts stayed alive it can one shot ghosts 2 tho thatās what ion understand
destroying the winnower would quite literally have universe ending consequences
She was in audible pain, she was moaning so hard that I clipped it for research bruh
yes and no, Atheon couldn't stop us because of a previous fire teams failure giving us a gift
we probably wonāt beat the winnower, the winnower is supposedly the (actual) embodiment of darkness, if we kill the winnower we upset a balance that the destiny universe exists in
We do know and they are not, they are simply a "winning" algorithm from a previous flower game. They are not superuniversal just extrauniversal, meaning from another universe
we donāt know anything š¤·āāļø
Well i do 1 on right and 9 of left
Taniks couldn't stop us cuz we're just goated
.
do you think the game would blow up in the gardeners face?
yeah bro?
its like if we decided to fight time and kill it
i really want to know if the gardener and the traveler r different
what do you think would happen
That was from a minor tug of war, she canāt fight him
what kind of stupid names are those
Which was? Educate me pretty pleaase
taniks stronger than the witness tbh
Rhulk just spent too much time in a coffin and simping
The Garden Of Salvation was the Black Garden being invaded by a splinter cell of Vex taken by the Witness
?
i dont think thereās concrete evidence but im pretty sure they are different things
?
For a while there I think the lore made it seem like they were one and the same, but with TFS I think that's become more blurry
hi Jma
Huh
you mean another grid then right?
Is manus in destiny
Hmm
hi Uchur š¤
if the ghost is out then yes
yeah the first lore book to introduce them made them seem very similar
Essentially, yeah. They're life forms that shouldn't be here that's why they aren't technically
Huh
That really reminds me of the reverse flash theory
that's destiny in general, everything's vague and on a need-to-know basis
Wha
it was me, gardener!
Huh
so on my adept weapons there's no difference from adept mag and backup mag exept the -1o handeling for adept mag, is this a bug or intentional?
like we know Ada-1 is plotting something suspicious rn
she wants something from the Cosmodrome
Yuh, I think it was unveiling(?) and it basically made it sound like the gardener made HERSELF a rule in the game, ie the traveler
id wager its an oversight
which means she wants an Exodus ship, or Siva
WOTM BABYYYYYY
see i think the gardener has to be different because light existed all over the universe even when the traveler was sleeping
OR something hidden in the black armory
btw do we know why the traveler went to bed for hundreds of years?
or yeah she wants Warmind tech, it could be a buncha things we dunno yet
Wha
eepy
Huh
Jerking ya off at super sonic speeds, god i wish that one was used as comedy more often
isnt siva warmind tech
Huhh
yes but it's unique enough to seperate it
i think siva is like golden age tech no?
hundreds of years is nothing on the scale of the flower game. I do not think you should look for an answer in unveiling
siva subclasses when?
No but my theory is creating the ghosts and using ALL that light to push back the black fleet drained it
yeah but so is Warmind tech
similar to Rasputin but a separate entity
SIVA was used to rapidly construct cities
the traveler isnāt technically part of the flower game tho if itās not the gardener right?
at least i dont recall rasputin creating siva
it barely fought off the witness's forces with savathuns help so it went dormant to heal + the black heart affected it
or is the traveler the tool used to play the flower game?
but Rasputin converted some into a weapon
the traveler is a rule in the flower game
which rule?
We don't know, unveiling made it sound like the traveler was the Gardener made manifest as a rule, but TFS makes it seem like thats not the case
Wha
for exotic focusing, do you need each season if you have the dlc? like season 16-20
letās be real bungie has no clue
the rule which would add entropy to the game
guys i have a simple solution
the recent lore suggests the Hives sword logic is probably the ultimate truth of the universe
bungie writers are making stuff up as they go
because the Travelers purpose is to seed life indiscriminantly
What we did in the campaign and raid essentially killed off the most significant threat we've ever seen in the series. The plot has basically jumped off a high note, and now we gotta work our way back into the conflict.
we canāt speculate if they havenāt begun speculating themselves yet
Probably true, they have a lot of lore that varies wildly in their explanations or almost totally contradict each other
which means the Rule of the game is to just let life run rampant until only the strongest is left
Huh
man this is confusing š
4th encounter shouldāve been explain the travelers lore
well the hives sword logic was seeded by the witness, which was then seeded by the winnower, which makes sense because sword logic is basically the final shape as defined in the flower game
gmeiners currently doing only trace rifle salvations edge thisll be good
What
honestly did we get any lore tabs with cayde and crow talking outside of the still hunt lore tab?
bump
whatever can beat entropy is what will have a place in the Garden, to beat Entropy one must defeat The Sword Logic
considering microcosm cooks, thats not even hard
i think the only hard part'll be ammo econ
Does anyone know why leaving a trials match even by error code drops comp score?
so r the winnower and gardener on good terms?
yeah go figure Might Makes Right was correct all along lmao
It is also rumored that The Witness and The Hive practically wiped out all other remaining life in the Universe, but I don't think that's the case. There have to be surviving pockets of life on some of those worlds.
aeons + cenotaph in question
the sword logic more came from the worms after Rhulk subjugated them, there's a really fascinating theory that as revenge for taking their mother they wanted to supplant the witness with Oryx
This just happened to me
we dunno, but the universe can't exist without them
wait true 
ah yes and who made the hive worms who they are again? oh right the witness
guys wtf is xur selling? the materials he trades for strange coins (e cores and such), the mass buy deal is worse than the smaller amount
Cenotaph needs trace rifle or same element trace rifle?
well then the traveler definitely isnāt the gardener because the universe is infinite and bro lives on earth
Huh
Not at all, that's why the Traveler exists basically. The Gardener was tired of the "algorithm" (vex) always winning so she fought the winnower over it
Yeah, they're random
its just to have things to spend for the nine buff
No they were already connected to the darkness before the Witness got there, hence why the Leviathan was jailing them
any trace
so basically gardener got bored of vex being op and nerfed em with us?
it's like a mutual disrespect, they don't wanna kill eachother they just have opposing ideas
i wonder how much free will the traveler really has
Well with the light, not with us, but yeah that turned into us so yeah lmao
Bruh, basically any microcosm on subjugators spawn = free heavy?
the traveler chose to run away from the witness and it chose to stay and defend earth, when it could've just ran away like it did with the Krill and the Fallen
thatās crazy that thereās a whole other plain above paracausal
did the traveler ACTUALLY talk to the speaker?
yeah paracausal is just a rule in the big game of life
Damn i really want that exotic now
yes, the Traveler can't speak with words, it communicates with visions and dreams
I think so, but I wouldn't really call it disrespect, they both had their roles, the gardener just got sick of the same thing always winning
Micah-10 talks to the Traveler
not really how paracausality works, its just effect without cause
wait was the scene in black garden where we talk to ourselves was that the witness?
every time you collect a Vision of The Traveler inside the Pale Heart, Micah-10 gets a vision from it
ye
13 echo engrams and no patterns
literally magic lmao
this
youād think it would know english by now
how hard is it to get a piece of gear with high resilience and recovery
not very
use the ghost focus
Is saint 14 actually 14?
the Traveler is weird... i questioned why it can't develop a way to speak corporeally too lol
yea
iām hoping they do some fun seasons coming up giving us a better relationship with the traveler
Gross
if u want to keep people involved in the story thatās how u do it
put on a bottom stat ghost mod
the Traveler likely wont be relevant for some time because it needs to heal
My guess is this is how it communicates and speaks, ever seen Arrival? How the aliens speak but use circles of smoke? Maybe it just doesn't communicate in a way we consider "normal"
I was gonna say if the theory is like phantasy star 4, but it just isnt, still good lore
Did we penetrate the traveler if we are inside it?
we talk to the traveler during the Red War campaign, it gave us a vision of a bird made of light flying over key areas we later investigated
this thing always needs to heal
this is usually how the Traveler talks to us
traveler took 4 years to heal the red war dmg
Yeah that's what I mean, like it's "communication" is visions and imagery because it doesn't speak in a way we would consider... well, speaking
its literally in the frontlines constantly so it makes sense
yeah traveler has been using birds forever
actually more often than not it IS the frontlines
it's an effective universal language
exactly
U think after all this time the traveler could learn to talk instead of using sign language
itās probably a game rule š
whats the best way to grind echo engrams
im surprised Micah-10 doesn't have existential dread after we collected the Visions for her
hows it gon speak when it dont got a mouth, eh?
she says some seriously screwed up stuff if you actually listen to her
ur kidding right?
Freakin video charades
Overthrows plus chests
yeah those visions are kinda wacky but also very interesting
one of her visions suggests The Winnower and The Gardener know everything about us
Titan is hands down the worst class in the game https://vxtwitter.com/hynracanfly/status/1802460591870853432?s=46&t=d6Gu6IsUZhodS7ijhW4L8Q
new block ability = new reason to use conditional
š 138 š 4
is there a reason the traveler is racist tho?
trials not letting my launch for some reason
Conditional finality warlocks once again bombing every class 
me when clinical testing conditions are different from real gameplay
this discords message rules r cancer
do i have to finish the TFS campaign to play breach executable on my other chars?
yo, someone know how to unlock the strand arms for titan, i have the chest that shoot rockets but i want the arms, idk how to unlock them
vex incursion or reset rank with rahool
randomly roll it, do Vex Incursion, ig
Drenger lash?
Anyone here know a good mataidoxia build? Havenāt seen anything online since it was revealed
ohhh ok, great, thanks evrybody, i ll do vex incursion and hope for them, thanks a lot!
misinfo campaign going hard, you cannot get it from vex incursion
is there nothuing u get for completing every prophecy triumph
Arent campaign exotics RNG after its done?
Guys am I cooked for LFG if I haven't beaten Salvation's Edge yet?
ohhh, do you know how?
can only get it from rahool
It's really hard to get into a KWTD group if I only KWTD for a few encounters lol.
ohh
but when i tried to buy it from him it says "you must unlock it in your collection first"
then just ask for teaching run i guess
#find-a-sherpa exists dude.
no inhstead i will complain
reach rank 17 and you get a third page to unlock unobtained exotics
other than caliban / syntholiars whats another hunter godroll?
is trials over?
no
No
Love you so hard!!
š best way to rank up is focusing exotics btw so can get expensive
Does it say why it's red?
im already 16 so i ll just focus some exotics , im close, thanks a lot
it says i dont have access to this content all of a sudden
just randomly
maybe i gotta collect a rank up from 14
This server really has more censoring than Club Penguin lol
straight up false lmao- i just did 22 kill 1 game all void damage- 18% to the pathfinder
Which of the 2 new warlock exotics is the better option?
who wins kratos or the guardian?
trials says i dont have access to the content XD?
yeah there's been content bugs for people who may not have all the xpacs and even some ppl who do
is mida multi tool not allowed because once i grabbed it i cant play
Hello chat, I'm here to bark at people
OK
Bark. Bark. Bark. Bark.
Bark. Bark. Bark. Bark.
i am just actually a cat behind this screen
We need more dual destiny and salvation level content, no more pandering endgame stuff to people who refuse to acknowledge that this multiplayer game is multiplayer
hey anyone know what the two vow symbol toems atre doing i the tresspass pale heart location?
cant read any symbles
i think this is the start of something great
why did bungie have to remove old content if the new game file is substantially bigger?
@ruby grove bro why'd you post a slur on twitter š
i want ri clear the raid
thats surprising?
Which one
post this on bungie forums and expect crowd with pitchforks and torches coming your way
I saw this too and like wtfff
Hello Zoe, I hope things are well and that you hate me less
i really wanna do the raid but apparently my friends (who all just returned to the game) will be mad if i do it before them
the one Bungie used and got severe backlash for š
fan behavior
the one Latino people hate. put the pieces together
Those same people will turn those weapons on themselves and all I have to do is use 6 letters
I'm only a fan of dragons
Oh yea no that was the dumbest thing ever
Do it and pretend you didn't
Unironically just call me a wall hopper before that
yeah they know what RR is so im cooked
That's why you use Alt accounts
gg i got ur permission there's no stopping me now
but yeah brother just casually posted a slur on twitter š
dm link
no real friend would care
hold on!!
they wiol not be mad
i wish it wasnt so hot in my room
idk what you call him
Imo use any that you want as long as you aināt tryna directly hate/insult someone with then
friend
Speaking of Dragons, I probably have like a month tops before I get to play my new DnD character
yall got that one friend that kinda just hangs around the group cuz he got nobody else
Legendary lightfall is so bad bro wth is this
Acquiantance
yeah thats me
?
I was asking if they removed the latin post since they removed the lgbt one
@tacit ledge seems unintentional
ok
what slur
just don't say the actual slur next time š
twitter ppl dont be weird challenge
i didnt know that was a slur
That's me, I'm the nobody lel
i thought that was what they were supposed to be called generally
What word
learn something new everyday i guess
I donāt think itās technically a slur, itās just one of those words that are so cringe that someone would rather be called a slur over that
guys say the slur
||latinx||
literally every Latino person I've talked to has said the x is their equivalent of a slur
Being "Latin/a/e/o/x" is on bungie.net lol
That's a joke
thats wack, good to know
Latinx is taken out of context as well
bungie.net isnt a group of people
what did i just say wtf
so new twitter name is banned word?
It was a standin during protests for latina/latino
i thought it was just referencing people in general
..no
hispanic people i mean
I think latine is more accepted
It literally was just a gender neutral version of latino/latina but has recently been replaced with what Spartan said
latine is wack to me cuz its just 1 letter away from being the name of a bathroom
Thatās a made up word with no purpose of existing
LOL
If you want it neutral you say Latin
||latinx|| is just very frowned upon to say and is some genz term which was awful
ALL WORDS ARE MADE UP

THAT IS THE VERY BASIS OF LANGUAGE
anyways guys
ok
Destiny amirite

No Destiny

you know youre famous when ppl stalk ur twitter š
I donāt like your jfirnchsijxbf towards me
Bad game, just like Cad
Yikes another furry. Time for me to dip
YOu're a furry, silence
what did i do
Iām not even a furry
Didn't give me bacon
???? but you...
One message removed from a suspended account.
šæ
I just got that dawg in me
I've seen your browser history
Huh

Yeah, that's gay and furry
Keep Tyrone out of this
yeah and we've seen yours lock in
not yet
Am i the only one confused about why were talking about furries and pronouns instead of destiny?
Bungie sniped my name
You definitely haven't seen mine or you'd be busy jorkin
Wha
Me when the witness
hi Guardian6123
its their destiny to be annoying
the meow of meow
hi Urchur
Huhh
what i do
Because you haven't gone Flawless yet
Uhuh
My internet history is full of images of bottles of ketchup
Ya motha
thank u
Man im just tryna find out why lightfall wont let me create a fireteam for help until i beat it
change ur nickname asap
never thought I'd see the word noob in the year of our lord 2024
guardian6123
Wompity womp dont care just got back into the game
Question, what's the build that gives the infinite Hunter grenade? The one from the aspect?
actual brainworms
Bro the servers are a$$
Silence furry
Silence furry
AHASHAHAHA
^^_^^
This is hilarious
funniest guy alive
British gameplay
zoe
Real
did u see my piercing
This has got to be peak brainrot no way youre real
hi zoe
Chat is this real
hi fox hi hayward
Hi chicken
I keep getting disconnected from games, and my internet is very good itās not my internet at all thatās doing this
Oh wait that's Hayward
got me feeling like a veiled statue fr
I'm blind. Hola senor
eliksni emojis
Is everyone in this server a furry
I need to get my nickname changed to Hayward
^^_^^
yes
i cant change nicknames, you gotta go higher up the chain
freaky
Ill message navist later
I gotta get out of here
Sounds like you need to get higher in the chain
either queer, homophobic, autistic, or a furry, or a virgin
where is the enclave gifs
Can't, we're everywhere, like an infection
Is there a known issue where the first mission is soft locked? Iām at the part where you claim the subclass but thereās no prompt
STEALIN
Let's be realsitic - it's usually all of those or 4/5
Its a known bug
Thereās a bug bungie knows about
would rather not meet a homophobic queer person
Any idea when itāll be fixed?
They're shockingly common. Self loathing is crazy.
Love how virgin is just the neutral here
Probably next reset
it really is
looking for 3 more for last wish
Im normal
Idea: raid mechanic that forces you to swap bodies with a random player, you temporarily have their entire loadout, stat set and even weapons/ability charges, meaning you can screw then by spamming their abilities
My last wish is to clap Riven
arent you autistic
At least vog is week after this
oh you can get the cool spot again on a different character W
Yarp
I want that as a wallpaper
SPELEOLOGIST, is this weapon not available yet? there isnt many good solar machine gun options and i was looking forward to getting this weapon
Me too whats the problem
[LOUDLY INCORRECT BUZZER]
Or use the narrative one
You should have worn a festival of the lost helmet
no problem though fr i am also autistic
Bruh look what you started now
rapidly presses the buzzer

to be fair who plays destiny 2 and can be called normal
Whatās the difference between novel and precision decryption from rahool?
I rounded up
Whatās the difference between novel and precision decryption from rahool?
My loadout for stealth missions
Ghost? Did someone say ghost? Zak Bagins here
Precision lets you choose the exotic
lore accurate samurai
Is anyone available to help me on this bs lightfall mission
Novel is a pool based on expansion
Wassup guys zak bangins her
Says thatās advanced on my screen
Tormentors would be more fun if they had less damage resist to everything but precision
I just realized theres another furry here
Oh wait, novel is the default one then, I think

I shall take my leave
Te first screen is the novel one
There is at least 300k in here
Same here
Which is totally random
hello my nakamas
Nooo come back
Novel and precision are the exact same for me, except one cost a cipher
Furries have ruined my funny profile picture bc now Iām associated with them
Furries begone fron my domain
^
This server is autism only
I'm a minor you weirdo
I think I'm misremembering Rahool's setup, my brain isn't on atm
I alone is the cooked one
new bio goes hard
Stay out of the damn caves
Dwarves only you pleb
when tf are we gonna get scythes
vex milk can be made into vex cheese
id say i have minor spec equipped butā¦
