Ring Racers

[ripe lance]

we're testing a custom 1024 character limit build in #hardcode

rn

[wraith trellis]

i have no idea why they let this guy still be in the server after their dumb jack-o rant

[tribal sorrel]

their HUH?

[wraith trellis]

remember when aaron0000 made that poll for who he should make next

and he had like king k-rool and some other guys and jack-o on it

and begine9 started getting really pissed that jack-o won

[autumn trellis]

oh my god i remembered there was some other reason theyd annoyed me but i forgot it was That

[ripe lance]

oh yeah yep

i remember

[wraith trellis]

and they were denying any reason people wouldw ant the character and tried to like

Persuade? aaron i guess by being like "oohhh but these other characters are much easier to draw"

and its like one thing to ask for someone else to make a character (which is already against the rules) but straight up trying to police what other people make should definitely be a ban

[tribal sorrel]

ig if supers not familiar idk how else to seek somoene fluent in ring racers lua

feels weird to just ask but ig thats hte idea

[zinc vapor]

Off topic but am I able to join next time yall play

[wraith trellis]

hype

[tribal sorrel]

ya sure

[autumn trellis]

would love to have more people

[zinc vapor]

I like playing games with you all

[autumn trellis]

im getting so owned by this top hat this should be like the worlds easiest object to sprite

[wraith trellis]

if we do it today it needs to be a little earlier because i got class tomorrow and i need to sleep early

[autumn trellis]

smgs gotta bounce... his books waitin'

[tribal sorrel]

well i hope someone turns up to help me with lua somehow i doubt this will be as straightforward as collabing for a rivals mod

[zinc vapor]

@tribal sorrel what's the difference between DCF_girlpack and DCFL_girlpack

[wraith trellis]

you use dcf locally

dcfl is for online

it uses lua

[zinc vapor]

Ah

[autumn trellis]

apparently we never needed to split it in the first place so i imagine us three will condense into one pack on each of our next updates

excepting mit depending on how lua implementation shakes out

points fingers together do you have my pack and smgs

[tribal sorrel]

technically you only have to use the one

its not like one is only online and the other is only local

[wraith trellis]

why

[tribal sorrel]

one big 1upw pack sounds a little bit annoying to manage

[autumn trellis]

what no thats not what i mean

i mean "me and smg no longer have a reason to have soc and lua versions as different"

[tribal sorrel]

oh

well yea

im going to prob switch to lua only

and have a toggle for tanooki marios gimmick

[wraith trellis]

wow

how is tha tgonna work

also how is using a character for time trials gonna owrk

[autumn trellis]

some mods have toggles in a menu

[wraith trellis]

ive never seen that before

that sounds nuts

[tribal sorrel]

lua doesnt disable time trials

[autumn trellis]

hornmod does it its just that we're all used to using the console commands and its faster

[wraith trellis]

it DOES?

[autumn trellis]

but it also works for admin commands

[wraith trellis]

it DOESNT?

[autumn trellis]

like turning on and off hellhorns

which apparently overrides sethorn?? i was playing a public server and it gave me a hellhorn even though i used sethorn

thats never happened to any of us while we were playing together so i assume either mit turned it off or its off by default and they turned it on

[tribal sorrel]

yea

they revised what lua affects for rr from kart

[wraith trellis]

shit thats awesome

[wraith trellis]

does this make using preferexpansions easier

[autumn trellis]

i dont think so

[wraith trellis]

how od you access the menu

[autumn trellis]

but what do you mean "easier"

its. hang on ill get it

i have been thinking about making a pk3 that ties our horns in with hornmod so that we use that

if we dont want to do that for everyone ill probably do it just for myself because i want to cut a few basegame horns

its just in here

most of it for hornmod is kind of useless? because the commands expect you to be able to type but htey dont have textboxes

but theres a few slidesr that work. so its definitely possible to use this

[wraith trellis]

my brain read the bottom message and thought it said casual koopa for a second

[wraith trellis]

anyone got any consistent rotation tips

[zinc vapor]

How does alternative music work? Is it random or does it always play the alternative track if you unlocked it?

[wraith trellis]

its random

[autumn trellis]

i went to a public server and they had my mod and they liked it

aint that the truth

[wraith trellis]

ur mod is in cgb racers

[autumn trellis]

thats cool !!
the one i was in was different though

regarding the rotation: this is not An Answer by any means but for the record this isnt too out of place from the base game chars

that said: i think whats happening is that the A3's knees are straight up when they shouldnt be. its like what mit said the problem with bowser mechs arms was

like. again this is super messy but just to get across the idea

although its like. actually i can probably find a better example in basegame

or maybe not. most character i see widely stanced do just sort of convert to legs pointed more upwards for their a3

maybe just make them a little shorter...? the best example i can see rn is mits orpheus

[wraith trellis]

awesome coloring on the statue

[autumn trellis]

the tail is cute...

[wraith trellis]

@autumn trellis how do i do the spiky hair on the back

[autumn trellis]

dont look at me that was the bit i was really unhappy with on jean

for reference, this is back side and front. i think the front is the best by a long shot but also i have no idea how to extend that to cover a full heads worth

mostly ive been trying to follow mits advice of Doing Shapes but i consistently keep overcomplicating hair. i thiiiink you're probably good with just a few really low contrast lines to get across The Idea of spiky hair

like, imagine tracing out each of those hair spikes, and then only do a few pixels of each line. i think? maybe.

i think ive just gotta accept that today isnt a ring racers modding day because im struggling to motivate myself to do the Extremely Easy Top Hat

[tribal sorrel]

my recommendation is get a toilet paper roll and look at it

[autumn trellis]

i already went and downloaded a top hat model and put it into blender

i think it will indeed be pretty easy when i do it its more that todays just not a motivation day

getting a physical object to reference is a good idea though.

i need to reference My Own Hands more

[tribal sorrel]

i think having something tactile might help more yes

i usually dont have a lot of 3d models handy except for like hair peculiarities and i havent used a 3d model compared to a figure in a while

the endgame of getting comfortable with all this stuff is getting a strong mental image of the 3d forms which comes more naturally with tactile feedback

cus then the depth and foreshortening are like objectively more natural than what you're seeing in a viewport on a screen

[wraith trellis]

the 27 other wins are emotional victories

[autumn trellis]

idk why this happens but it happens to me too

like i assume its to do with addons but idk How its to do with addons

my insane guess is that its like. wins doesn't reset with different versions of a mod, but rounds does

source: i just posted the update to my pack yesterday, and

i want to make myself 3/7 so i can actually be my favorite class, but i dont wanna lose my uncontested slot... i dont wanna share with Ecco

thats a magic trick if i ever did see one

[tribal sorrel]

tanooki mario's almost asset complete

save for boring stuff

this is good tho cus it means he'll have all his gameplay assets

he is now asset coplete

now i sit on him until someone who knows lua helps me make him

[zinc vapor]

https://mb.srb2.org/addons/sorachis-character-pack-for-ring-racers.7020/

All i use is this and girlpack

[ripe lance]

https://fixupx.com/whips_memory/status/1822796082495037652

[zinc vapor]

I'm going to be honest
I think Mach 3 is too fast for me rn

[ripe lance]

it is

[zinc vapor]

I'll wait untill I'm better at the game

Would lowering the difficulty to Mach 1 next time im able to join be too much of a request?

[tribal sorrel]

that is kind of a lot

[zinc vapor]

Alright

I didn't take into consideration that all of you are better than me

[zinc vapor]

Is there anything that takes commissions for ring racers characters?

[ripe lance]

pooooop

right is with the ring racers palette

[wraith trellis]

thats remarkably close

[ripe lance]

it is rather close

i'm gonna have to do uv mapping for the whole thing

again

(i did uv mapping for the ccm slide)

last time i did this i just chilled in another server's vc watching someone's gameplay like it was cocomelon

i'm gonna die

:(

[ripe lance]

is hillbilly a slur

[tribal sorrel]

it would be very funny if it was

[ripe lance]

that answer concerns me

anyway i was asking because someone uploaded a character to the message boards called hillbilly

through an update so it presumably didn't go through judges

[autumn trellis]

boppy boing

[ripe lance]

insane

[autumn trellis]

in retrospect i have no idea what happened to mit on the last one it really was just Subconcious Psychic Force

[ripe lance]

you cast an evil eye on her

[autumn trellis]

also ever since the very start of the game i was like "what kind of idiot would throw their bumper forwards"
and now for some reason i keep getting it in my head "i should throw my bumper forwards..." like an idiot

[ripe lance]

only do it when you know there's a pit nearby

[autumn trellis]

see but that would take Thought and Consideration and im just seeing someone in front of me and going AH. BEAN EM like from aosth
i should make that a horn thatd be good

[ripe lance]

super mario 64

[autumn trellis]

belatedly i completely forgot to comment on this one but it was insane

and its insane how you still lost for it hfkdlshfds

[ripe lance]

yeah.......

yeah.......

[autumn trellis]

thats what i was saying about the thunder shield. the animation lasts for like a second but im almost certain its hitbox lasts for a single frame

well. a single tic

[ripe lance]

yea it's not like the super horn

[autumn trellis]

i mean the super horn is Very Obviously persistent but super often ill miss people with it as i clearly see them enter the lightning

because naturally you're gonna try to use it while someones overtaking you

[ripe lance]

https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=viewthread&t=128162

[tribal sorrel]

v6 will be another big honkin update

[autumn trellis]

tanooki mario crossing the 16 character threshhold

(playable characters not typographic characters)

[ripe lance]

i got aseprite (for free)

[tribal sorrel]

yay

[tough bluff]

Freaky skybox

[zinc vapor]

new pride flag just dropped

[tribal sorrel]

was curious how my current pack looks against hte old one

old pack was 28, new one is just barely scraping 20

certainly a way faster pace

oh i mismarked morrigan and r aerith

same difference

27:19

[autumn trellis]

i think the highest cap i might shoot for is 16. i like the idea of having enough characters to completely fill a race

[tribal sorrel]

impulsive thought

goomba kart real

[autumn trellis]

also ive been meaning to ask: from original mitpack, who's the guy with what looks like hollow eye sockets?
i feel like i recognize him but only in the vaguest sense

[ripe lance]

2D from gorillaz

[tribal sorrel]

2d from gorillaz

[autumn trellis]

gonna be honest there was a span of like a full minute where i believed this was a stylization of a real life person

[zinc vapor]

I might join next time yall play
I know I just said I'm too inexperienced but I want to see if my internet connection is more stable now

It's much better than yesterday

[left badge]

Kinda miss morrigans crossed legs even tho they make no sense

[ripe lance]

GOOMBA

[tribal sorrel]

i realized after making this that if i do him id need to alos make a +1 for the ratio

girlpack life

[zinc vapor]

Heavy Magician is a very fun character to use

[autumn trellis]

could you just edit goomba into goombella and maintain ratio that way

[tribal sorrel]

i was thinking abot doing this but for goombette

from odyssey

[ripe lance]

i kinda wanted to say that but i thought you wouldn't care for goombette

not any more than goombella anyway

[tribal sorrel]

id rather do goombette thangoombella

cus goombella would need to be flat.

[ripe lance]

but of course

[autumn trellis]

same thought process as super and same "oh i forgot about paper being flat"

[ripe lance]

in a vacuum i would say doing that is an absolutely stupid idea

but i get doing it after hearing people complain about paper mario

[autumn trellis]

popping out of green palette for a second: once i start shading im gonna have to reassess these colors so that the steering wheel doesnt melt into the legs

[ripe lance]

congrats on having a new paper mario shouldn't be flat mit

[wraith trellis]

These guys are fake af fans of ring racers if they don't know the precedent for these mods

[ripe lance]

well i don't really know what you're talking about here

[tribal sorrel]

hes gb wario because he was gb wario in kart

hes not just wario and never was

[wraith trellis]

Paper mario was always flat and gb wario was always gb wario yeah

If you want normal wario just use Aaron's mod

Although I have to question his creative choice of giving wario high speed when he historically has been on the slower side when stats aren't uniform

[tribal sorrel]

on aarons?

[wraith trellis]

Yeah

Im assuming he just made it to reflect his modern stats

Where heavyweights generally have higher speed

[autumn trellis]

im sure a lot of this is just me not knowing things, but i always felt like mario kart had exactly One stat and its weight. and every other stat more or less falls in line
it definitely doesnt feel intuitive to like. look at iggy koopa and go "i bet he has x y and z traits" i just know hes Midweight
so ring racers having TWO stats feels like an increase in complexity even though its almost surely not

[ripe lance]

ring racers is also complicated because a combination of its two stats also implies a certain gameplay style

everyone in class I plays aggressive and for keeps

[wraith trellis]

No speed is definitely a factor

Although Mario and Luigi are both middleweights Luigi is consistently slightly faster and Mario is slightly heavier

[ripe lance]

dude... like super mario bros 2

[wraith trellis]

Even when stats were more homogenized amongst weight classes in mkwii wario was slower compared to the rest

[zinc vapor]

Question
Is 38 total addons considered too much

Becuase I download a bunch of custom characters

(This is counting the addons I got from playing with you all btw)

[ripe lance]

depends

[zinc vapor]

https://wiki.tockdom.com/wiki/Formula_Kart_Wii

This but for ring racers

[zinc vapor]

update: it's 39 now

[tribal sorrel]

you can play however you want just dont expect me to ever host all of them

[zinc vapor]

Ok

My main concern was if it was too many to host with

[autumn trellis]

its definitely not. ive joined servers with upwards of 100 mods

it gets progressively more demanding of a download for people to join, but 40 is definitely not a point where the game itself goes "this is Tooooo Much! this Will Not Work"

im not sure how easy it is to host, though. i think it takes a lot of work to put up a server permanently; it does not take that much work to do it temporarily, but if you want to host for randoms online you presumably would have to wait a while for people to show up

and discord rich presence might be mean to you and say no

i have been thinking of trying hosting netgames for randoms so that i can play with all my favorite mods

and i could get my battle mode fix... no one else here likes battle mode but i love it

[zinc vapor]

I would be interested in trying it out

[autumn trellis]

you have to read a lot before playing battle mode and then you have to play a few matches to get to grips with it because the game does a really poor job of teaching it to you

but its good.

[tribal sorrel]

39 is a lot to host with when our average is 17

i probably would not want to download double the amount of things i have

[zinc vapor]

I see

[ripe lance]

i'm simply the better player

[zinc vapor]

anyways
heres my ring racers addons if anyone wants to take a look at it or something

[ripe lance]

what for

if you want mit to host them she's not gonna do that because 39 is a lot

so you have to pick some choice ones if you want that

[zinc vapor]

its not for anything in particular i just felt like sharing it

[autumn trellis]

oh i was answering in the context of setta hosting Herself i thought thats what she was asking

i really dont know why people here are averse to downloading more mods given that each of us only has to do it Once but. shrug

[tribal sorrel]

yea ik

[wraith trellis]

it sucks enabling 50000 mods

thats my opinion

[tribal sorrel]

it sucks downloading 50000 mods

[autumn trellis]

yeah but you can make the text file that does it for you

[tribal sorrel]

im not really worried about enabling them but thats gotta be like

a gb?

[autumn trellis]

i have no particular investment in downloading more but it doesnt seem like much of a barrier at all

[tribal sorrel]

ok its not a gb

[autumn trellis]

i dont play online that much and my downloads folder is

and its never been a problem for me

[tribal sorrel]

for rr alone?

[autumn trellis]

yeah?

[tribal sorrel]

thats an insane amount

i have like maybe 60

[autumn trellis]

i guess i did join basically every server i could find to see what mods they have

[autumn trellis]

but either way its like. its not a lot of space and you can make it take a very short time to enable and you only have to download any given mod once

so where does it become a problem

[tribal sorrel]

i just dont really wanna download like 30 or 40 mods to play

[autumn trellis]

i mean. i guess

i only consistently play with ~7 which is definitely much less than 40

[tribal sorrel]

yea

which is why i dont wanna download 40 lol

i dont think theres a problem with not wanting to download a ton of mods

[wraith trellis]

garrys mod syndrome

[autumn trellis]

well yeah im just confused
im kind of not asking directly because i dont want to come off like im going "can you please do [thing you dont want to do]" because it really doesnt affect me. i just dont see what the reason is

[tribal sorrel]

it takes a while to download everything and once the download sizes get big enough it lags the server on join. its also annoying to try and organize because i prefer keeping my own pack close to the top of my list so its easy to install and its easier to pick and choose what i gotta enable when im editing things

[wraith trellis]

anyone else play garrys mod with friends and every few months you gotta like

clear out the entire thing and redownload the stuff you want from scratch

[tribal sorrel]

having a bunch of mods that im never gonna play just takes up disc space and once you like have multiple harddrives worth of shit taking up space it starts to matter what you're spending that space on

[wraith trellis]

because you passively culminate a 1000 of them over time

[autumn trellis]

oh okay its a filesize thing

[zinc vapor]

Next time we play I'll pick 2 or 3 addons I downloaded and suggest those

[autumn trellis]

but also do you not just have several folders for the mods??

i organize my mods like this

although i dont even always load all the ones in "standard" so i should really move them out

[tribal sorrel]

i have things kind of organized and its kind of a pain in hte ass to maintain what we use and what we dont

like i may as well delete what isnt being used because otherwise its just an old ass version of a pack someone else wanted thats probably goig to have updated the next time i want to use it

[autumn trellis]

i guess i just feel differently. thats fair

if it matters to you i can try to always give you WIP merged versions of my pack instead of temporarily giving you a standalone wad of whatever new character

[tribal sorrel]

thats also just easier

whenever i have a playable version of a character i just put them into my main pack file

i only have them in a separate wad if they're explicitly unfinished

[autumn trellis]

oh i can't update my original files llike that because i want access to replays. which i think break if i do that
thats why i have an "outdated" folder with all the old versions of everyones mods

but i could just Save As and mark them as WIP version

[tribal sorrel]

i dont think they break unless the character in the replay changes

they would have no reason to

the only things that should break a replay are if the character in them is changed in some way or the entire game itself is updated

[zinc vapor]

Yea im just used to telling my gf to download 400 gmod addons to play with me sorry

[ripe lance]

@autumn trellis this your goat?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/774046149177769986/1277783209190621274/ringracers0010.webm?ex=66ce6bd9&is=66cd1a59&hm=813503e8004213a036b865f3c4f04a6b97c8f118d2fc27850e2324b56abb612d&

loud video

[autumn trellis]

yes

in fact i think ive played with that exact person before. as a yellow sakura

also im sorry i think i was awkward with that whole conversation and i probably shouldnt have asked

[trail copper]

wait I can clear out GMod mods???

dang, that's probably where all my storage space is going

For some reason I kinda assumed they deleted themselves once you left the host's server
I played GMod like once but whoever hosted that had a bajillion mods and it took forever for them all to download so there's probably way too many mods filling up my computer rn

[autumn trellis]

i keep learning properties of the software right before they become Mandatory. greening this would be a nightmare if i was just color-replacing and had to get the gray of the clothes but Not the gray of the skin and its outline

hrm. in chibi-ing the face even further than the original, ive made it so that the collar Also needs to be made bigger so that it still encompasses the hair. but to do that it needs to be so big that it looks awkward

solution is probably just to widen the white chest thingy

[zinc vapor]

peak track design

[autumn trellis]

oh almost forgot smg

[tribal sorrel]

@wraith trellis

[wraith trellis]

That was my plan

These people see inside my head

Actually I was indecisive on if he should say "behold" or "DREAMS DONT DIE"

[ripe lance]

i know keeg

[wraith trellis]

I recognize keegs pfp i might've used to follow them on Twitter

[tribal sorrel]

do i just make gwens rivals whatever marvel characters people happen to make

[wraith trellis]

Idk shit about gwenpool so I don't have a good input on this

I feel like Jeff the shark might be an easy reference though

[tribal sorrel]

next best thing i could thibk of are lookalikes for her usual cast

eggrobo for modok

[wraith trellis]

There's gotta be some character that could be a good substitute for him

[tribal sorrel]

id prob make a jeff follower

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Where r heavy magicians voice lines even from

[autumn trellis]

a street fighter character

[ripe lance]

sfv

uhhhhhh

[wraith trellis]

Is it karin

[ripe lance]

yea

karin

[autumn trellis]

i know ive seena video of it

[wraith trellis]

Fuckin knew it

[ripe lance]

they were promptly bitcrushed

[autumn trellis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZFBJAYn6EI

theres two heavy magician lines in a row at the very start

made a lot of tweaks to make the collar less jarring + doing the A1. most notably the arms are thicker and spread further out

[wraith trellis]

Is this the sonic discord server

[tribal sorrel]

its not the one people keep getting banned from

[tribal sorrel]

this is crazy btw

they chose unclockable voice clips

the filter helps a lot

[wraith trellis]

I instantly recognized it was Karin as soon as she did the laugh

But I wasnt entirely sure because her voice sounded deeper

[left badge]

https://youtu.be/SpUrCkU6NAI?si=hl2thXgFtyiaWtSy

This is bean apparently

[ripe lance]

this is a really weird voice for bomberman

[left badge]

Right?

I cannot listen to this and picture bean like at all

[ripe lance]

no because bean is supposed to be looney tunes goofy

[autumn trellis]

this feels weird both for bean and for white bomberman

[ripe lance]

ultimately i don't think it's that weird for bomberman because i don't really care about him as a character

this is serviceable

[autumn trellis]

although i guess its like. im not fooling around is one of the most jarring lines and it comes to mind as representing the group because i hear it a lot from bean. most of the others sound at least okay

[ripe lance]

but i was expecting something cutesy!

[autumn trellis]

yea

[tribal sorrel]

bean and bark are both rough

[autumn trellis]

"im not foolin around" says bean, famous for foolin around*
* i vaguely recall something about idw bean writing making him a little more calculating but its not like hes Stoic

[wraith trellis]

They should've cut out part of the clip so he just says "I'm foolin around"

[autumn trellis]

shoutouts to azusa for helping me with limb angles and also leading to funny screenshots like this

[tough bluff]

Emo azusa...

[autumn trellis]

wait i just remembered i might still have the hat as a separate layer somewhere

im glad i commited to this joke because it made me realize i forgot to outline a bit of the hat

its also making me realize like. this is a really good outfit disconnected from the character. i should draw myself in this for a pfp

[wraith trellis]

when u add highlights do u guys do increasingly lighter values at a time or just go to the main color immediately and use transition colors after

[autumn trellis]

im not sure ive ever done highlights in the same way as you do them, but generally ive been starting with main colors and adding detail after

[wraith trellis]

ive been experimenting w/ both and idk which is better for the workflow

[autumn trellis]

for me its like. i think i need to make myself add Less detail and have bigger uninterrupted color chunks to Achieve Stylization. so if i start with the main color its easier for me to say "okay this is enough" as soon as it Is enough

whereas if i started with an intentionally lower color id then be going "i mean i still have to make the main color the Main Color" and then i might overcomplicate

[tribal sorrel]

might be an inherently difficult way of thinking about it

whwat you have now is blocking them in as different colors

i think so long as you're blocking in the glare, you treat it like anything else

[zinc vapor]

Would anyone be up for a game tonight?

[wraith trellis]

putting myself thru rendering hell

[autumn trellis]

Maybe? sorry, im not really sure yet

[zinc vapor]

It's ok

[ripe lance]

takarazuka azusa

[autumn trellis]

honestly i kind of like the incidental "having azusa as a layer under the outfit" screenshot more than the actual character

[zinc vapor]

i just joined the kart krew discord server what should my first message be

[zinc vapor]

man

[autumn trellis]

classic CPU aerith moment

[ripe lance]

whaddya think about that trick

[autumn trellis]

of course. interesting maneuver

[zinc vapor]

chat i completed all of the base game tracks on relaxed

[autumn trellis]

whats good places to put these bats
the red background is every pixel that one of the turnaround frames takes up. (also worth noting that hes gonna have a diavolo-style purple outline so the bat wings wont just melt into the hat). essentially im trying to do what smg did with the jojo katakana

[autumn trellis]

what are your favorite tracks rn?

[zinc vapor]

hard to deside tbh

[autumn trellis]

@zinc vapor for reference

[zinc vapor]

?

[autumn trellis]

i just answered as much as i know of your question in ring racers discussion

[zinc vapor]

Ah

[autumn trellis]

it seems more than a little tedious to do this for every track in the game, unless the original SOCs are all stored next to each other in basegame, but its totally doable

alternatively you could just designate specific courses to try this

that said i think a more convenient answer is being given by people who know how to do this rn

[wraith trellis]

I think just make them a little further apart and you're good

[autumn trellis]

is that referring to the one with 6 or with 4

[wraith trellis]

Oh I didn't see the one with 6 because I'm on my phone and I'm out of mobile data

I will have to wait like half an hour to see that

[autumn trellis]

nods

hope your chem test went well

[wraith trellis]

Ok I think 4 looks better

If 6 was in a more circular shape it would be good

[autumn trellis]

oh of course i shouldve thought of circle. did that and it looks much better

[tribal sorrel]

chatroom im losing a little bit of hope in finding someone to help with the lua for tanooki mario and etc

its really jarring when i ask and theres literally no response in krew just because like

absolutely not the case in rivals workshop lol

if you post good enough animations in there and say Yea im not committed to a coder yet then ppl come knockin at ur door to collab

[wraith trellis]

yea

when i wanted to give jotaro custom music in the srb2k days i got literally no help and just had to extrapolate code from someone else

[tribal sorrel]

i dont think i'll have the same luck for what i want to do with tanooki mario

i could probably hodge podge something together for aerith braid but like

would rather just ask someone wo knows what theyre doing...

[wraith trellis]

oh yeah

the people that know what theyre doing also dgaf lol

at least from my experience

[ripe lance]

i asked haya to make me a lua script for star slalom (the one for the teleporters that gives you i-frames) out of nowhere and he just did it

but i think he's busy now

[tribal sorrel]

i dont even know who to ask in krew

i dont like... leave custom racers

[wraith trellis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514241367560683520/1245910328882233436/ringracers0037.webm?ex=66d11eea&is=66cfcd6a&hm=9bd63de22eba36b2624e4e8c385c055b5a281256716132c09572f6891db4cf01&

this is what theyre doing in graphics-lua-misc

[autumn trellis]

could you make a post about it on the MB?

like a discussion post on girlpack

[ripe lance]

you find lua people in #graphics-lua-misc

[tribal sorrel]

that would get even less attention @ the mb

[ripe lance]

haya, takis' creator, etc

[tribal sorrel]

that is probably the way to go

i dunno it just kinda feels like

exiting my lane

[autumn trellis]

finished

[ripe lance]

i almost forget, the devs have publicly floated the idea of doing sally acorn

really interested in seeing what design they use for her

[zinc vapor]

I hate having a bunch of ideas for ring racers mods but having no art skills whatsoever

[autumn trellis]

just remembered that sliptiding uses lookback so special lookbacks show up

(i know insta whip also does it, but only if you're not turning ?)

[left badge]

i just realized theres no single player battle mode

well prisons exists i guess

[tribal sorrel]

i asked and i think the choice was vest

[autumn trellis]

i would love if single player battle mode existed but alas

i do like prisons a lot

[ripe lance]

not what i meant

i think sally without vest is unanimously not liked

i mean this

deranged image but you get the picture

[wraith trellis]

No matter what design we get

[tribal sorrel]

its obviously archie sally

shouldnt be a question

[ripe lance]

there's two of them

but okay I guess reboot sally is what you mean

[tribal sorrel]

what? no

classic

the vest

[ripe lance]

this one?

[tribal sorrel]

sure

[ripe lance]

well yea she's the best official design for sally that looks close enough to the original

i do think it's a little weird considering this game's purist stance on character designs

but also the original is butt ugly so lol...

[ripe lance]

@tribal sorrel relevant to tanooki mario: there's now a mod with off-chart stats
speed 0 weight 15
https://mb.srb2.org/addons/caseoh-in-ring-racers.7388/

[tribal sorrel]

yay

[ripe lance]

it's ridiculously easy to charge miniturbo with these stats

your drift is shit though

you have to null drift all the time basically which isn't that bad since you get to keep your sparks

[ripe lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514241369137741825/1278753837410418688/ringracers0216.webm?ex=66d1f3d0&is=66d0a250&hm=a8ca26a58df48c70434a8a327912aeb4be2bf5fda3a6f11670346c1f66fbed8c&

[autumn trellis]

okay so. i want to do other things with my day, so im not doing any more ring racers sprites for today
but i do want one other character to make my next update to be two characters two followers. (both of these would have followers as part of how they work)
and so im like. do i want to be reasonable and go for the "fits in a kart" option. or do i want to follow my heart and be unhinged

[tribal sorrel]

my ass is never getting anybody who does lua

[tribal sorrel]

wait theres no documentation yet?? is this more shit the devs are withholding or

[wraith trellis]

like

for the entire game?

[autumn trellis]

from what i've heard, srb2k had "lua documentation" which was like an official list of "this is what does what"

and there's been much talk of It's Coming Eventually! for ring racers

[ripe lance]

the game was more or less rushed out the door cuz lol dev hell

documentation takes a shitton to write

[autumn trellis]

i saw a message from a mod going "here's Lua Documentation right here" and its from six days before ring racers was released lol

[ripe lance]

the fucking map making program has critical bugs that the devs have apparently been dealing with for a long time

[autumn trellis]

im trying to find any "yes this is a thing that will happen" from mods. im almost certain i have seen it confirmed

(also i made up my mind im doing fiend. sorry darkest lord maybe you'll get to be a follower or something)

i thiiiink the mod who did simpler animaL knows the most about "whats going on with lua" rn

im kind of surprised we havent seen any blend eye esque boss fights but im not That surprised on account of the that

[wraith trellis]

i already know what signpost im gonna do for kiryu but what do u guys think would be good for bison

the 3rd image obviously isnt drawn too well but i moreso mean the same pose

like how cvs2 references it

[autumn trellis]

the first one has Strong "poking out of the frame in a fun way" potential

would it be insane to have "the first one, but colored like the second one, such that things like the skintone are always blue but the underside of the cape is the recolorable part"

[wraith trellis]

I think I am not good enough at sprite art to do that

[ripe lance]

i might add a tripwire shortcut in the same area with those dash rings too

in the inner corner so it's opposite that

[tough bluff]

This looks really fun tbh

[ripe lance]

arigato gozaimasu

i'll keep hacking at it today

[wraith trellis]

cgbracers has my mods now

[autumn trellis]

applause!!!

[autumn trellis]

hmmgh im tempted to make the move to lua myself. it sucks that i have a big pack that i would have to make Entirely lua, but i do want to try playing around with it

[zinc vapor]

I'm going to hate this game soon arn't i

[autumn trellis]

maroon is being difficult and i really need some red highlights somewhere so i will sort out the colors when im more conscious

[autumn trellis]

me trying to get some low stakes practice in against level 12 cpus
three of these are bubble related and three are from the same race

(dont mind the follower being broken that was just to test how the whole "making a follower trail you" thing works/Doesnt work)

[left badge]

Why does the chao have green tips instead of yellow ones for there sprite

I just noticed that

Blue and green when a base chao is blue and yellow

[tribal sorrel]

adult neutral chaois blue and hreen

[ripe lance]

ohh

[zinc vapor]

Ring racers is the true mario kart 9

[ripe lance]

to do: add skull, which won't really take any more time at all

[ripe lance]

https://mb.srb2.org/addons/irregular-breadsticks-baker-certified-characters-for-ring-racers.7235/

werehog sonic is here

[autumn trellis]

do you think its a problem if i have a follower's sound overlap with racer actions

i kind of have to use the fiends Signature Sound Effect for the follower but i cant Not have it on the racer

[wraith trellis]

i dont think so

[autumn trellis]

APPLAUSE

CLAP FOR THE SPIKY HAIR

[autumn trellis]

lol

[autumn trellis]

and there we go

[tribal sorrel]

gonna spend today making gwenpool

then mayhaps

play?

[autumn trellis]

sounds good 2 me

[ripe lance]

ye

[autumn trellis]

as long as its at like. the usual time. maybe Slightly early if smg needs but like 8PM at earliest i think

[wraith trellis]

No it's chill I got labour day tomorrow

[zinc vapor]

If I can join then sure

I'm shopping rn

[autumn trellis]

The Usual Time is in like 5 hours so you have plenty of time

[zinc vapor]

Ah okir

I won't suggest any mods to add this time. It's all up to whoever hosting

[autumn trellis]

the math is shaking out that i might just push the update as soon as i finish this promo update and leave fiend's follower for next time

on account of the remaining follower slots i have

[wraith trellis]

I want to open commissions after m bison but also I want to do Jacky bryant Badly

And I have no enthusiasm towards followers even though I should

I'm jealous of you guys for willing to make them so frequently

[autumn trellis]

its because i dont have to make death sprites for them

thats like. not entirely a joke. i hate making death sprites i dont have the confidence for Wacky Poses hjfdshjfls

i just googled "fiend scythe" not even considering that that wouldnt work fshjkdjfdsh

im not confident enough for commissions but even if i was i have no means to be paid lol

prospective followers

[ripe lance]

there's already a follower out there that's a pair of wings

[autumn trellis]

oh ?
i was gonna try to learn based off the halo but if theres already wings then thats even closer

i could also give mazinger wings to everyone... food for thought

but im particularly amused by the idea of like. eggrobo NEO

cooler people than me probably know a better joke to be made with emerl but im not familiar with that game

[ripe lance]

https://mb.srb2.org/addons/zariel-oc.7098/

[autumn trellis]

hmm. i dont see any indication of lua on here

i can easily get it to work this way when you dont factor in lookback but when you Do factor in lookback it breaks. I'll check this to see if it solves it but i fear it will not

[ripe lance]

everything up to the tunnel is done in terms of geometry and visuals

i'm torn on whether I want to do the tunnel itself or the ring layout up until then

(the tunnel, for reference:)

[autumn trellis]

https://mb.srb2.org/addons/c-k-s-mecha-koopa-pack.6733/

new version's out

why does it put "want to support just..." in the preview 💀 it looks like im shilling my patreon or something

[zinc vapor]

Changed my mind. There's 2 addons I want to use (counting the one I suggested last time)

[wraith trellis]

ok im done with all the kiryu sprites except death and ui

making this is gonna be a little annoying

i cant tell if the foreshortening is botched or if it just looks like the leg is long bc its just a silohuette rn

[zinc vapor]

https://mb.srb2.org/addons/justafellowgirlgamers-hodgepodge-pack.6789/
https://mb.srb2.org/addons/sorachis-character-pack-for-ring-racers.7020/

I only want Ashley and Vivian to be added

[ripe lance]

wish granted except it's mega mushroom

[autumn trellis]

ashley racer mega mushroom follower vs mega mushroom racer ashley follower

[zinc vapor]

Oh yea
Who's hosting btw?

[tribal sorrel]

probably me

[zinc vapor]

You're going a great job on gwenpool btw

[zinc vapor]

Should we start the vc now

[tribal sorrel]

temp gwen because i cant get the animation done tonight

@ripe lance@wraith trellis@autumn trellis

gaming

[wraith trellis]

@ripe lance

[ripe lance]

gaming

[autumn trellis]

aaaa okay let me run to go eat first ill be there soon as i can!!

[zinc vapor]

Left one temp right one final I assume

[tribal sorrel]

idk

[autumn trellis]

okay well ONE of my replays was CRUELLY THIEVED from me but ill get hte others

[zinc vapor]

do any of you mind if i send any of you a friend request

[ripe lance]

i don't think i'll accept it

[zinc vapor]

alright

did i sound very pissed off at all btw

[ripe lance]

not rlly

[zinc vapor]

I had to deal with irl shit when we played and got very pissed off as a result

[autumn trellis]

the one at the very end actually DID save but it crashes my game on load LMAOOO

wait wrong order of messages

i guess it still makes sense hfjklds

okay this is the most notable clip by a long shot

[ripe lance]

this is kinda sad to watch

[autumn trellis]

normally id say i deserved it but this was like the one race where i was doing well without invincibility spam hfkljdshflkds

but so it goes!

[wraith trellis]

@tribal sorrel can u think of any good death poses where the characters back faces the camera

I think it'd be good if kiryus death pose had the back of his suit ripped open to show his tattoo

[ripe lance]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-gif-22882514

[zinc vapor]

did my first mach 3 lvl max race

[tribal sorrel]

current wip for signpost

[zinc vapor]

I honestly didn't even know signposts could be animated

[tribal sorrel]

i have two options right now

1. hex edit my pack any time i ever want to do anything with it for any reason (bad)
2. somehow get simpleranimal working in such a way that makes this process less obnoxious and doesnt include the lowercase letters that are causing my pack to not function

[tribal sorrel]

alright well

i might have to try somehting different

[autumn trellis]

https://mb.srb2.org/addons/c-k-s-mecha-koopa-pack.6733/updates whoops

[tribal sorrel]

having fun doing things that make no sense

[ripe lance]

mit you can send me the thing to see what's wrong

[tribal sorrel]

right now im reworking it so its shorter because i think it would be better for everything

[ripe lance]

is this supposed to crash or what

it doesn't even have the additional sign frames that you had issues with

i was really only asking abt that

[tribal sorrel]

theyre in sprites

and yea it does crash

oh wait

this is dcf

not dcfl

[ripe lance]

lol....

[tribal sorrel]

backup signpost

[tribal sorrel]

this is good

[ripe lance]

@tribal sorrel for whatever reason the method toaster mentioned about putting the additional anim frames for the signpost in the sprites folder just... doesn't work

that's the issue

that being said you can totally have SIGNA0 and SIGNa0 in slade in the same folder and all

[tribal sorrel]

no i cant

[ripe lance]

the issue is you need to be mindful of the extension

you can't have SIGNA0.lmp and SIGNa0.lmp but you can have SIGNA0.lmp and SIGNa0

[tribal sorrel]

thats insane

well whatever

[wraith trellis]

you can now play as kazuma kiryu

[ripe lance]

jin kazuma

[autumn trellis]

applause!!!!

also battle mode is SO SICK i have like five hundred clips now

i Have to make a montage when i have time

[autumn trellis]

for some reason my followers disappeared from some of my clips??

but only Some of them?

[autumn trellis]

battle mode is so awesome

and these are just the best clips i have even more i cut for brevity

[zinc vapor]

HOW

[wraith trellis]

has anyone tried out kiryu yet

[autumn trellis]

i will try him soon i prommy.... my energy crashed after finishing my session and i need to conserve energy for uni tomorrow

im also happy i have convenient acess to cortex now

i suppose i can just load up kiryu in test run right now

say, why is your pack a lua pack now?

have you got Plans or is it just left over

dude

his voice is higher pitched than i imagined kiryu to be

[ripe lance]

yea he's good

[wraith trellis]

idk its the first one i clicked on

are soc desyncs fake

i think i did it bc of desyncs but if they dont actually exist ill just make it soc

[autumn trellis]

all present sources suggest soc desyncs are a trick of the light

i made version 6 of my pack soc only

[wraith trellis]

i cant believe i managed to get the yakuza 3 cover to work out so well on the placement icon

[wraith trellis]

this is funny

because i think his voice is already pretty deep

[ripe lance]

yea i thought he was deeper

[autumn trellis]

i thought he would be a little deeper than jotaro

[autumn trellis]

i agree

[ripe lance]

this is no joke one of the hardest things you can do in the entire game

(spb attack carnival night as metal sonic)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662779395626369045/1280611509931737098/ringracers0254.webm?ex=66d8b5e8&is=66d76468&hm=2d8d3c00da1a75997951891636af7dee3ca83c5b33a74ba6882acdf31590eb2a&

[autumn trellis]

its too early a stage to post yet but im working on some real mini koopaling hitconfirm tier shenanigans

[wraith trellis]

holy shit

@autumn trellis whats the latest version of ur horns

i want to add this

[autumn trellis]

i need to be making more incremental updates to horns i keep going "id feel bad about updating unless i have a bunch"

this is the newest

after playing that battle mode session online i radicalized myself i need to take an axe to all of my 4 second long music clips. it was a lapse in judgement

[wraith trellis]

context

[autumn trellis]

exemplified by the fact that every time i got a short one like garden warfare vanquish or brawl menu select id get excited because i wouldnt feel guilty using it repeatedly

surely we can get MIGHT MAKES RIIIIGHT

[wraith trellis]

ur right

[autumn trellis]

id say jacky bryant ones but you're making A Character for that

although i havent let that stop me before

i still need to add heaven ray ...

[wraith trellis]

fuck

unorganized

[autumn trellis]

actually you know what i Will post the first wip of this now. you can tell theres huge chunks missing but you can tell what the motions are. at least for the first half because i havent started anything on the ending bit yet

[wraith trellis]

how the fuck did you make htis

[autumn trellis]

i got a clip of it on a version of the enemy with minimal camera movement and then i put it into a video editor to eliminate the rest of it as best i could
then i cut down the frames until it takes 8 frames for the scythe to make one full rotation (not that you can see that right now, but itll be important when i Have it) and started working over it

[tribal sorrel]

woa

[autumn trellis]

ive had "fiend scythe" planned as a follower for a really long time but i never really realized how Big itd be if i make it proportional to a playable character

[wraith trellis]

why does he say this

[autumn trellis]

i do this

for some reason. i dont know why or when it started but i think its fairly recent

[wraith trellis]

found it

finally

[autumn trellis]

does any version of the game have subtitles or is it up to interpretation if its "girl's waitin'" or "girls waitin'"

[wraith trellis]

i think theres no subtitles

[wraith trellis]

https://mb.srb2.org/addons/the-whalicious-pack.6959/

have any of u guys played as omega tiger woods

[autumn trellis]

for some reason i used to see him a lot in servers but now i dont

at least, id see him on hte CSS. ive never seen anyone play him

[wraith trellis]

hes a genuine challenge character because hes so fucking big

[autumn trellis]

im about to go to sleep but

applause !!!

[wraith trellis]

This shits gonna go up exponentially with kiryu

[ripe lance]

i'm cooking

[autumn trellis]

are you supposed to use one of those bumpers to bump yourself Back out of the dead end?

also ive been wondering about whether ill make it to the first page of downloads
right now my pack is 36th and one page is 25. im at almost exactly 1800 and the threshhold is 1956

[ripe lance]

no

it's for troublemakers

[autumn trellis]

so do you take that path, fall off and lose a chunk of time, and for that cost you gain The Potential To Cause Trouble

having a path that you intentionally bumper yourself out of is kind of crazy though. i dont think ill ever make a map but If I Do im doing that

i also like the idea of a track where you turn around mid-trick and then voltage drop. nowhere in the base game does this, which makes sense because it was impossible with the old trick inputs

[ripe lance]

@wraith trellis you'll like this old follower i made a while ago

the mod i stole the sprites from is marked as "open assets" so i guess technically this can be uploaded

[wraith trellis]

You can pair it up with cortex to get the worst possible psychic aura attainable while racing

[ripe lance]

yea

which i haven't done yet

[left badge]

am i going crazy or do u slow down when u look back...

[ripe lance]

you're crazy

the look back camera is kinda scuffed so that's not surprising

it got changed for 2.4

whenever that comes out

[wraith trellis]

doees anything else change in 2.4

[ripe lance]

there's some bug fixes

online GPs might make it in alongside vector and gamma

and uhhhhhhhh

it kind of sounds like there's going to be new mechanical changes and/or additions

[wraith trellis]

you cant just add that like its an anecdote

thats crazy

[ripe lance]

yeah i feel crazy having heard stuff like that too

[ripe lance]

what I heard: shrink is literally broken rn

math is done incorrectly in favor of players using it to get grow

i was in vc with one of the devs who was talking about it and i think i unknowingly talked over them entirely so i didn't get to hear the technical explanation

[zinc vapor]

this pallete fits her pretty well ngl

[autumn trellis]

the speed of the animation really helps making it such that im not super fussed about every single frame. but broadly im trying to a) make the five sides evenly spaced b) make the individual movements feel reasonable and c) keep the black dots relatively consistent relating to their respective red swirl

next time i work on this i think i should start the second half

[autumn trellis]

what am i doing. why am i insane
(whats happening here is im basically rotoscoping the larger gif and then scaling it down)

i have to make the scythe look nice enough that a static/Basically static version looks good but simple enough that i dont go insane applying that detail to every single frame here

which i Think i have a plan for shading-wise im just not decided on how to make this very thin scythe look interesting when its not spinning around

probably i just have it rotate a little and have it spin around every so often like some miitopia idle anims

[ripe lance]

https://mb.srb2.org/addons/artis-characters-and-followers.6475/

@wraith trellis yummers

[ripe lance]

what do we think about the twisty tunnel chat

[autumn trellis]

whats it like if you try to drift along with that left turn instead of against it?

does it just not work because countersteering isnt enough to keep you on the road

going way up on halfpipes is, to my understanding, generally slower, so if you want people to Commit to going up it like you do here youve got to make it Obviously worth it

but if its ring boxes then like. only some people will Get it. i guess it's like, if what you're showing here is the end of the tunnel, then doing that cool wall driving isnt actually useful because it opens right back out into normal track, and you could thus Make it useful by having ring boxes. if this isn't the end of the tunnel, though, you could maybe add a dash panel to grease the wheels. like how ghost ship does it just in a smaller space

progress

[ripe lance]

like this i guess

if i decide to keep the half-pipe then the idea is to add useful stuff for using it

[wraith trellis]

is this gonna be the teleport to the end of the track

[ripe lance]

no

there's more track i just didn't draw it yet

the stuff in white is what's currently there

[wraith trellis]

huh

[autumn trellis]

hmm. intuitively i feel like that layout suggests a left drift with a particularly wide countersteer but you actually need to do the Complete opposite

idk if you can communicate that with a Turn Right sign or if thats just something you Learn The First Time and from then on you know it

[ripe lance]

idk but whatever i end up doing it probably won't be egregious

otherwise you just wouldn't have fun

which is not really what i want

[autumn trellis]

well what do you mean by egregious

[ripe lance]

bullshit

unfair

etc

[autumn trellis]

right now, assuming that that brown wall/floor is normal offroad, it's pretty harsh if your drift ends up pointing Into it

[ripe lance]

stuff that is too much to ask for a first playthrough of the track

it's not offroad

[autumn trellis]

wait then whats the point of it being twisty turny is it just visual

[ripe lance]

it would be interesting but it also would be out of left field and weird

[ripe lance]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-skinner-yes-seymour-skinner-the-simpsons-enthusiastic-yes-gif-15806751

that's how it was insm64

[autumn trellis]

i feel like its out of left field to go on a non-road texture and have it Not be offroad

[ripe lance]

i think not

given the context

there's no offroad in the whole track because it's a direct port of mario 64

[autumn trellis]

i guess? i mean i have played mario 64 and this slide but i dont remember it clearly enough that i would go "that offroad-looking stretch of ground must actually still be road because mario not-a-go-kart-mario takes it fine"

but like. i guess its not that bad to discover that you Aren't punished for taking it

[ripe lance]

oh til the guy who drew the suspiciously similar toad sprites is in this server

[wraith trellis]

LOL???

[autumn trellis]

with a grand total of one message

[tribal sorrel]

thats not surprising

[autumn trellis]

only thing left now is the broken glass effect

[ripe lance]

https://mb.srb2.org/addons/jaituias-factory.6591/

this guy has just been making wack ass lua gimmick characters

they updated just now with another one

[wraith trellis]

wdym by gimmicks

maybe they could help with mit

[ripe lance]

so far they're the only person to make characters like this

at least ones that are released on the message boards

[tribal sorrel]

i sea

i will ask

these all seem to have to do with stats at least

[ripe lance]

fingers crossed

[autumn trellis]

it is done

[autumn trellis]

wait. okay i just asked about frame names and then deleted it because i found the thing but now im asking again because mit said something was weird with uppercase/lowercase

the hitconfirm is 48 frames long so im going into the lowercases

is there some? special thing i need to do to make it not explode?

[tribal sorrel]

in the folder with the sprites you make an additional folder path like this

sprites > (name) > extra

i think?

super explained what ti do exactly in here

[tribal sorrel]

alternative solution

[autumn trellis]

oh right because the extension is like. doesnt do anything if you remove it but i guess it technically makes it a Different File Name so its fine

alright should be fine

[ripe lance]

yea

[autumn trellis]

alright! time to make that template then
fortunately i know about Export Spritesheet now. i dont think i knew that when i was doing the koopalings and that was Troublesome

[autumn trellis]

i'm getting a really weird problem

followermaker keeps generating two "Z0"s

the properties looks unremarkable

[tribal sorrel]

fwiw it takes like two seconds to manually type the right numbers

[autumn trellis]

yeah i was gonna say this should be trivial for me personally to fix

[ripe lance]

god damn it

send me your folder etc etc

[autumn trellis]

im just mentioning it for super in case its indicative of a wider followermaker thing

[tribal sorrel]

right

[autumn trellis]

at first i thought it was because i was being silly and making the prefix "F999" but that seems to not be it

which, comma, i guess that means i Can use F999

[ripe lance]

my guess is i did something really silly

[autumn trellis]

Z0 takes personal offense to your copyright infringement

the .lmp thing didnt seem to work. and it automatically changes to underscore lmp instead

so i guess ill try the folder

super seems to be saying that the folder method Doesnt Work in the same convo where he explains the extensions so idk. may as well try though

or. huh. it seems like it only changes to underscore when you rename all of them with the automatic thing...?? weird

[ripe lance]

yeah i don't understand how the batch renamer works

it would be cool if they just changed it so it worked like PowerToys (windows program)

ok i guess i know why there was the confusion now

casual koopa you got the order wrong pretty much

it's meant to follow the ASCII character table, not the SRB2 sprite frame index

this is pretty much my fault since i don't tell you

but mit might also be right in that you don't need followermaker for this, maybe?

so Z would be followed by [, \, ]

also um, the hitconfirm stuff should start at A, not I

but whatever i guess

[autumn trellis]

wow i forgot about that

and i think you also told me that information about the koopaling followers but id since forgotten

also also: uh oh

i dont think ive seen a Definitive Answer on what sigsevs usually mean but iirc they usually mean the game tried to load too much and it didnt work

i was just hanging out in test run i didnt even hit anyone. and id hit people and seen the working animation on previous loads of the game

i guess i should ask tech support

or. uh. i guess not because the log Disappeared

????? i Had It Open but now its just not in the logs folder

uh. i guess i keep testing to see if it happens again

ahem. okay. so everything works

now i have two options

i think having it in front looks much better on the hitconfirm i just dont know about the idle

i did reduce horzlag on the version in front so that you, the player, never go through it

[ripe lance]

i like it on the back

if the back works better overall then do back

[autumn trellis]

hrmmm.... ive been convincing myself that its good from the front though....

idkkk

also right now im trying to get it to not half-loop when you get multiple hits in a row and its surprisingly diffuclt

i feel like ive tried every combination of changing duration, hitstate, and adding extra stats that there is

[ripe lance]

i feel like you have to give at that point

[autumn trellis]

i mean, i literally don't. i have a way to make it not interrupt itself and i have a way to make it always reset completely so it never ends mid-animation

but both would make the filesize larger

on account of i could either "just add some of idle's sprites to the end of hitconfirm" or "make every single sprite its own state"

im not sure how much i care about filesize. ive been kind of worrying about it

[ripe lance]

you should be fine

filesize bloat is mostly from sound files

[autumn trellis]

i have been pretty inefficient with filesize as a result of the koopalings just going "i want a longer animation? okay ill just Make More Sprites" and several of my characters are "asymmetrical" just because i didnt want to bother mit for a sym version of animated lookback

iirc, 25MB is a threshhold of some kind? and im getting kinda close while im only ~halfway through my pack

[ripe lance]

hmm

[autumn trellis]

i guess not? i see quite a few files well over 25MB in my downloads mostly from stages

i still would like to keep it low Where Possible but its not like im starting at a deadline

anyway. annoyingly, adding separate states to hitconfirm just means it immediately loops to that instead of progressing if you get another hit

which i'm sure is useful and cool in other instances but not this one

essentially i think i need to do the thing of copy pasting identical sprites to change the frame timing even though followers usually let you just change it directly

cause like. let me lay out everything i have so far.

because for some reason i keep being the Only Person, Comma, Ever??? who experiments with these

I GOT IT

hoooo boy. so when i said i got it i mean im pretty sure i found a way to solve my problem, but how this Works is still tough

hitconfirmtime is "how many tics the game will play hitconfirm for.", as of now, it seems like this actually outright is the loop prevention ive been looking for: if you set it lower than your actual hitconfirm, it'll end early, but if you set it longer, it'll extend the time where it Thinks it's called hitconfirm. getting a hit during this time doesn't call hitconfirm again, it just delays how long until it calls an "actionable" idle. by this i mean, if you set hitconfirm time really high, and then have states move you back over to idle before then, it'll play the idle animation but will refuse to let new hitconfirms happen. if you keep getting hits, you keep resetting the timer and you can never get a new hitconfirm animation to start.
"duration" is how long a state will insist on looping itself before allowing Next= to take over. Next= is of lower priority than other state changes, so if a short hitconfirmtime ends a state early, its Next= is lost. if duration is shorter than a state's animation, the animation cuts off.
essentially, then, this is how to prevent early cutoffs: have hitconfirm next= to idle, and give hitconfirm a set duration instead of -1. i Believe the reason it loops after extra hits without more involved property changes is that hitconfirm loops on the same frame it would otherwise follow =next, and so that =next is lost. to solve this, then, i believe all i need to do is make hitconfirmtime a single frame longer than duration

IT WORKS

I'M A GENIUS

im so smart. im sooooooooooo fucking smart

and sleep

[ripe lance]

oh yeah btw i finished adding the thing that balances the cool cool mountain slide shortcut

mind the placeholder texture

the portal disappears after someone reaches the final portion of the slide

[autumn trellis]

oh thats cool. its like a shortcut that Itself rubberbands if necessary

do you intend to have some sort of indication of where the portal pops you out?

like, not for You the shortcut taker because you wouldnt need it, but so that the other racers dont get blindsided by an invincigrow bullet train materializing into them

[ripe lance]

shrug

i could toy around with it if necessary

i could also give the guys who come out of the warp more i-frames

[autumn trellis]

well its not the i-frames i worry about so much as them instantly being an active hitbox

[ripe lance]

right gotcha

[autumn trellis]

i think just like a. light patch on the ground to emulate the 64 "ray of light in the castles main hall" type thing would do it

its niche enough that i dont think it needs to be obvious what it is Every Single Time On Your First Go, just something for consistency once you do know it

i do wonder if you could like. this is an insane play and is niche enough that i dont think its a Problem, but if you're frontrunning you could take a crazy gamble and throw a banana into the shortcut

such that if you cross the tripwire by some means that doesnt make you banana-immune, it's unreactable

would be Pretty Funny

i have to got to like. compartmentalize my modding in my brain better. i cant stop thinking about trying to optimize whatever ive got next even though im consciously saying today is a break day

[tribal sorrel]

https://srb2mb-externaldata.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/data/video/141/141442-e8474dfb4ebe5c8fe3a5b46c00c55451.webm

[ripe lance]

hooooly fucking shit

[autumn trellis]

tanooki mario LIVES

[wraith trellis]

this is big

congrats on forwarding ur concept mit

[autumn trellis]

is this just the sprite change and sound effect so far?

[tribal sorrel]

this is all jaituia sent so far

[autumn trellis]

ic

wow even the minimap icon changes

[tribal sorrel]

finally finished roughing this out

[ripe lance]

insane

[autumn trellis]

i have to admit i somehow kept thinking of that gwenpool logo (this is the first place ive seen it) as actually being green and pink as opposed to just being how recolors work

[timid tree]

hi hwenpool

[wraith trellis]

why doesnt it link to MY PAGE!!

[autumn trellis]

sorry you're only the unofficial defend the statue wiki

[autumn trellis]

i think this is my follower roadmap for the rest of the pack. i need 18 more followers and most of these should be very simple

got started the absolute smallest amount just so i dont feel like im starting from scratch when i wake up tomorrow

[ripe lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270211185666686978/1282145911136321597/500_Super_Flickies.webm?ex=66de4aee&is=66dcf96e&hm=1f6b659d491a412cdd0d40b939f572f70661485d406c568afaaae329241d01ee&

[wraith trellis]

holy shit

[autumn trellis]

chuchu want bonus

[autumn trellis]

NEITHER of king crimsons models on models resource are posable so i guess im just gonna have to be competent on my own

fortunately i think king crimson is the hardest out of every single follower remaining to me, unless i commit to lua spamton wings and the lua is hard

so once im done this im comparatively in the clear

[ripe lance]

there's like nothing left of this track to do now

[ripe lance]

GG

[autumn trellis]

CLAP FOR THIS USER

[autumn trellis]

am i even allowed to post this in kart krew or is it spoilers

[ripe lance]

the spoiler thing got lifted a while ago

[autumn trellis]

no for venture bros

[ripe lance]

this is like season 2

of 8

[autumn trellis]

nods

[ripe lance]

oh yeah uh I actually need a bit of help guys

I never actually decided how to connect the end of the CCM slide to the TTM slide

lol...

[autumn trellis]

as in, you're undecided between making the portal the entrace to this room vs the exist door? or as in you're not sure whether to use a portal at all

[ripe lance]

yes

there's gonna be a warp regardless it's physically impossible to connect otherwise

[autumn trellis]

uhh well presumably you're barelling into this room at top speed because its at the bottom of the slope

plus the path Into this room is infamously thin which is already a big deal in a racing game

so i think it makes more sense to not have a sharp turn right at the end of CCM here

having the inside of the room is nice though... and ccm doesnt have a dedicated Star Podium like castle slide does

[ripe lance]

any ideas 👉 👈

[autumn trellis]

i suppose you could always do the thing of having sideways springs that force you into takin gthat sharp left turn

[ripe lance]

should I really just do the regular cabin door exit

[autumn trellis]

i'm unhinged

(motion sickness and flashing lights warning, this video is a lot)

[wraith trellis]

@worthy elk why didnt he do this at the end of crash 1

[ripe lance]

the trophy-s his

[autumn trellis]

i dont think this works in replays but i have to see if it does. or if i can otherwise get a stable camera shot of this

i finally figured out how to use binds and this is what happens. although i cant seem to get schedule_add to work

[ripe lance]

ok I did it

have fun with the chokehold

granted I guess carnival night does exactly this

anyway the track is now driveable from start to finish

but not playable

[autumn trellis]

IT DOES WORK IN REPLAY

although its a little strange

[autumn trellis]

i was gonna say putting a bumper there is really strong but i guess. why Dont people do that in carnival night, actually. seems like The Move

wait no im taking down this video i can make it one step better

[worthy elk]

I CANT SEE THE VIDEO WAAAA

[tribal sorrel]

guys

guess what

[wraith trellis]

whats new abt this

[autumn trellis]

oooo interesting

i think it working at all is new?

like there's no bounce is the obvious

i thiiiink that drift is meant to show that it makes you Effectively unable to turn

city escape is definitely one of if not the most heavily favored track for tanooki mario

unless he just gets to cheat through the end of speed highway lol

[ripe lance]

tanooki mario's looking a bit different