Ring Racers

[ripe lance]

the designated two tone palettes in vanilla ring racers don't really work with him and that's something i completely failed to account for

[wraith trellis]

thats fine

i would dhave to make kiryu another custom two tone

but down the line i could make m bison use the same palette

[ripe lance]

could m. bison not just use Maroon

[tribal sorrel]

if you make bison juri will have all of her rivals

[wraith trellis]

i wanna two tone m bison too so that you can use thunder to get his classic alt color

[ripe lance]

gotcha

[ripe lance]

i wonder if you can actually just do a palette like that with these colors

assuming you care about it not being broken on other characters

[wraith trellis]

proobably???

anyway the important thing is that i need to make some sort of white to gray to red palette

and that works out fine for the most part but

idk what to do abotu the darkest gray that i use for outlines

because like

i could easily map it to the darkest color on the colormap

but then if you use any other spraycan it'd probably look weird on the character

[ripe lance]

ehhhhhh

the color is so dark the hue is barely visible

[wraith trellis]

how does it look w/ solid black as the outline

[wraith trellis]

who are her other rivals

[ripe lance]

fine

[wraith trellis]

I'm savoring this while it's still a thing

[autumn trellis]

the message board may be slow sometimes but the character chart editors seem to always move at lightning speed

[ripe lance]

is ao oni on the wiki

[autumn trellis]

lol

calling it here for tonight

[wraith trellis]

God the hair is so good

Awesome hueshift

[autumn trellis]

thank you! im very proud of it
aseprite automatically turned most of his dark blue hair into black, and theres not very many of that shade of blue, so i said "what if i kept some of the black actually." and it looks really nice

[tough bluff]

something something rival dialog

[autumn trellis]

i feel like im starting to lose the plot on this hair as it begins to take up more space
on the A1 each implied chunk can be a shade darker, but by time of the A4 theres way too many implied chunks to do that. so either i have to cut down on that detailing or manage how to make the colors repeat

i think The Move is to simplify but im not sure

[tribal sorrel]

i thought the hair coloring was just stylized shading

you could just make yourself a consistent ramp to work with and apply it thay way

[autumn trellis]

that's true. it would be easier to visualize

its a little weird because its gray to blue Back to gray but it should be fine i think

i would make it blue all the way down but this shade of blue doesnt go any darker. if it comes ot it i can try using the darkest purple instead but i think Probably not

[autumn trellis]

hrm. okay so the colors are better, but in trying to clean this up im realizing that ive just ended up the same place as last time where its like two rows of highlights when it should be straight lines

i think like. the problem is that im trying to recreate this, where its segmented, but the reason its segmented here is that they're at different depths

for the A4 i think i need to flatten it way out so one chunk reaches basically top to bottom

[tribal sorrel]

you have too much negative space

that whole gray block in the middle should be the tufts reaching down

[autumn trellis]

hmm. okay ill try that

i need a 10 hour subliminal messaging youtube video that just goes simplify... simplify... directly into my ear

[wraith trellis]

me struggling on kiryu for multiple hours vs making an m bison a1 in one sitting

[wraith trellis]

does the middle stripe on the suit look better when i give it an outline like this

[wraith trellis]

this is my vision

[tribal sorrel]

crazy

ive kindof been wanting to redo juri since she's kinda small now

[wraith trellis]

would you make m bison one of her rivals (points fingers together)

[tribal sorrel]

btw should his legs be bent sideways

yea

hes been her rival

[wraith trellis]

oh so youve just been like

waiting for an m bison to exist

[tribal sorrel]

yea

i think i took him out in the interim bc one didnt exist

[wraith trellis]

whys that

is that for space

on the other sprites

[tribal sorrel]

itd be more comfortable right?

[autumn trellis]

"90% of ring racers artists commit to a full sprite set right before making the greatest new A1 of all time"

(i like the outline stripe)

[ripe lance]

there is an m bison on the mb

[wraith trellis]

that is probably true

when i was sketching it out i had difficulty finding a position where the legs were more outward but like

looked natural

and i also figured that m bison usually is a very upright character so maybe it'd make more sense for his legs to be more upwards

@ripe lance can you figure out a white to red spraycan that works w/ the green map on the left

how was i struggling w/ kiryu's face so hard only to figure out m bison so quick...

[ripe lance]

hopefully tomorrow

did you base him off of the sf2 live action movie

[wraith trellis]

no i based it mostly off of cvs2 and sf6

[ripe lance]

...wait, aren't there two of them

ah

[wraith trellis]

because those are my fav bisons proportionally

[wraith trellis]

trying to fix up kiryu's face a little

unfortunately i dont think i can channel that m bison energy again

@tribal sorrel any insight

[tribal sorrel]

scrunch his face down a pixel by his lip

[wraith trellis]

do you mean like this

while im at it i realized it'd be more accurate if i lifted m bisons face up a little

[wraith trellis]

or is this better

[autumn trellis]

i like straight line mouth better

[tribal sorrel]

this is better

[wraith trellis]

ive been kind of just spitballing w/ these

anyone see anything that they think works

[ripe lance]

what was mit's sketch again

[ripe lance]

i legitimately have no idea how you do such a subtle angle for the mouth with this resolution

[wraith trellis]

yep

he is tilted forward a little there

[ripe lance]

i sort of like this

i like it best out of all the new ones you've presented

[ripe lance]

this looks like he's teary eyed

because the bottom eye sclera reads as a tear

[wraith trellis]

is this better

[wraith trellis]

or something like this

[wraith trellis]

hype

[ripe lance]

i like this one

[wraith trellis]

with the frown

[ripe lance]

i think you should give up on the frown

it just looks like minecraft steve's beard being a smile

it's meant to be a frown here i know that what i mean is it looks too goofy

[wraith trellis]

well it was worth a shot

help

im asking ring racers chat and everyone has divisive opinions

[tribal sorrel]

i liked the smaller eyes from before

also how do you change transparent colors in properties.txt?

the numbers dont line up to the color numbers

[ripe lance]

it's one of the first things you see

you'll see two sets of rgb values

[tribal sorrel]

oh theyre rgb values

thank you

[tribal sorrel]

cloud is Mostly done save for his signpost and death sprite

the latter of which i have no ideas for

[ripe lance]

him vanishing to red

or :pinballland:

[tribal sorrel]

i have an idea

https://tenor.com/view/clerith-aerith-ff7-final-fantasy-vii-final-fantasy-7-gif-9160125181143819644

[ripe lance]

i like this idea

[wraith trellis]

I think I got it

I just gave up and fucking redrew his face entirely

I also shortened bison again

[wraith trellis]

He looks really fucking good in other colors

[ripe lance]

you say this but haven't actually made the palette

[wraith trellis]

True but I do have the mapping down

It's really just down to the in between colors

How do you get the website to use the exact colors you want and not blend it

I kept having an issue where the color I wanted was getting automatically blended to be slightly too dark or light

[ripe lance]

i try to get them left leaning on the square

it's some fiddling really

[ripe lance]

these look aweosme

[tribal sorrel]

wip

[wraith trellis]

He's so cool

[tribal sorrel]

getting clouds voice clips is how i learned that in the bombing run he puts on a fake cool voie

that breaks down throughout the game

[wraith trellis]

In remake?

[tribal sorrel]

yea

[wraith trellis]

That's really cool

Voice direction is awesome sometimes

[tribal sorrel]

its def intentional too cody's talked about his different nuances voicing cloud esp in rebirth

i didnt know about this one though but its really obvious

[wraith trellis]

That makes me wonder like

Is the breakdown at a consistent rate

[wraith trellis]

Or by the 2nd game is the cool guy voice basically gone

I'd imagine it'd be really hard to make it feel like he's gradually losing the voice over the course of like

3 damn games

[tribal sorrel]

the persona is already really cracked by the end of remake and he's on friendlier terms with barret

[wraith trellis]

Figures

[ripe lance]

i like cloud strife

[autumn trellis]

feng shui bison is gonna be insane

[wraith trellis]

Whats the full palette for Feng shui

[wraith trellis]

feng shui bison

and cortex

[ripe lance]

he's very sick

[autumn trellis]

yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wraith trellis]

cloud having a mental breakdown while his kart blows up

[autumn trellis]

clouds deathsprite eyes are so awesome

[autumn trellis]

also i had to leave immediately after posting this, but i wanted to ask - is everything parsable here?
like just on the level of "can you tell whats the arms and whats the legs"

[ripe lance]

i can tell the arms but not the legs

[autumn trellis]

yeah thats what i was concerned about. he has big sleeves which dont leave much room for the legs

i think i need to raise the waist and thatd help

[ripe lance]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1232826914956378122/1270819823466840064/2024-08-07_14-34-16_1.mp4?ex=66b516b0&is=66b3c530&hm=87fa8634e490185452f5b5b59fcc33789df4511646bdcdbaa9272acbe5668bf4&

[autumn trellis]

i mean you deserved that for not popping the eggmark early

[ripe lance]

this is not me

[autumn trellis]

applause

[wraith trellis]

heres kiryu mapped like bison

its funny that im doing all this color previewing but im gonna make cortex first anyways

hows this look for their palette

[tribal sorrel]

i think you might as well put in the like minimum effort to make this a broadly usable palette

[wraith trellis]

wdym

honestly like

if that shit where this color was only available on kiryu and bison actually worked and didnt kick you from using it i would just use that

[tribal sorrel]

switch around the last gray and the first red and then adjust some of the colors so its gradiented

[wraith trellis]

if i make the desaturated red darker it does blend a little better

the thing thats annoying me rn is that im not really a big fan of how the kart looks w/ the palette

[tribal sorrel]

recolor the kart one of these two ways

[tribal sorrel]

tryin to think of a name for wario's prefcolor

it looks kinda like one of the gb color palettes when youre playing a gb original game

thinking Loud

for play it loud

[wraith trellis]

That's good

Idk what it looks like but thinking of a gb color palette for an OG Gameboy game is making me think of "Tinted" because thats usually what they do

[autumn trellis]

almost there for the normal turnaround

[autumn trellis]

i cant believe i just didnt think to try export sprite sheet. this is so much easier

[tribal sorrel]

warios done

only one remains/.

[wraith trellis]

Is he still Gameboy wario specifically

Like does he use Gameboy sound effects

[tribal sorrel]

yea

[ripe lance]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/598570767558377477/1271271818707075133/LOLSPRING.webm?ex=66b6bba4&is=66b56a24&hm=8a5f7e9c541becf860bf21e136904238deebbb33df2acc9ec43aac36736744e8&format=jpeg

[wraith trellis]

wheres that clip from

[ripe lance]

another server

dude playing w friends

[wraith trellis]

thats hype

good to see ppl using my mods

[autumn trellis]

im soooo close to being done jean (i only have the signs left) but im soooooooooooooooooo sleepy

[ripe lance]

(i lost the gp after this)

[autumn trellis]

i love that the lightning shield has an infinite hitbox vertically

[ripe lance]

https://mb.srb2.org/addons/marceline-the-vampire-queen.7222/

[ripe lance]

https://mb.srb2.org/addons/spamton-neo.7301/

the fourth spamton

[autumn trellis]

jean sprites are done
just need to grab his voicelines and pack him up

[autumn trellis]

so i packed up my new character and was doing a few games with them to test him

and the thing happened to me where the game freaks out just when im passing over an item box. i dont really get what happened to flicky here but the game briefly thought they were a million miles ahead and shoved a mandatory SPB into my hands

[ripe lance]

protip

https://mb.srb2.org/addons/ring-racers-item-roulette-system.7315/

[autumn trellis]

WHAT

WHAT

[ripe lance]

@tribal sorrel

this wud be cool too

if you still have blue spheres land replace it with this which is the pack it's from and it just released recently

[ripe lance]

ok you guys all saw the shortcut in cool cool mountain

it's broken as fuck

my idea for making it somewhat viable in terms of not breaking the track in half is to just add a warp like most of the way into the tunnel

and i think it'd look cool if it was explicitly a reference to this

but i absolutely can't sprite this at all

and i'm pretty sure this is 3d rendered

[autumn trellis]

flashing lights warning

desert bus is awesome

its hard to tell in this clip but i was also accompanied by Two orpheuses (because of how replays load mods) and whoever it is that goes (wowf??)mania who i still have not identified

[ripe lance]

the devs just showed this today

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/781704442080526336/1272153934839939093/ringracers0433.png?ex=66b9f12d&is=66b89fad&hm=1257317cd5f4ea1d470779c01a48c6922bd2a448ff60e24599e66841e2e3645e&

online co-op grand prix

you can tell due to the ping meter

[autumn trellis]

oh theyve talked about online grand prix before

i dont really know why id Want to play grand prix with friends but i guess its novel

[tribal sorrel]

thats the chuchu

from chuchu rocket

little mouse

he says mouse mania

[ripe lance]

mouse mania!

[autumn trellis]

chuchu from chuchu rocket talks???

also its kind of fun seeing the best time you can get on desert bus with cheats

my first 10 attempts or so are barely over the one minute mark with the 255 invincibility strategy

[ripe lance]

no it's just a sound from the game

[autumn trellis]

ic

[ripe lance]

you should try checking the ghosts for desert bus

of which there's two

[autumn trellis]

wuh oh

[ripe lance]

from two classes at opposite ends of the spectrum

[autumn trellis]

god ive been playing the koopalings i imagine chao goes nuts if you can get the steering down

super jumpscare

[ripe lance]

hi

[autumn trellis]

okay i was like "wow this is gonna be even crazier" i forgot that you did Not have 255 invincibilities

hesus the 1/1 doesnt feel that far off though

oh my God chao. and also i got the run where i didnt go off course at all

(motion sickness warning, i think? objects move Extremely Fast in this clip)

its really funny that the 75th lap is slightly longer than the others

and if thats not actually true im insane

[ripe lance]

i think you're nuts

[ripe lance]

back from the grave

[tribal sorrel]

trying to figure out exactly how to colormap him

[ripe lance]

shrug

@wraith trellis

[tribal sorrel]

right now hes using mauve

so everythign is colormapped

[wraith trellis]

i think the pale blue skin is kind of essential to wega

[tribal sorrel]

theres not a default color that gets the exact ramp he uses

even though its definitely possible

i might try moonset

[autumn trellis]

it took me a second to get whats going on with the rotation but after going frame by frame i like it

[wraith trellis]

having a custom palette for wega would be really funny

[autumn trellis]

purple to this blue is a broad-use good color scheme so it wouldnt run afoul of "i sure do wish inaccessible palettes Worked"

[wraith trellis]

we need good wega palette name ideas

[wraith trellis]

what does this look like on wega

[autumn trellis]

is "storm" already in use

[ripe lance]

stalker

[tribal sorrel]

@wraith trellis

[wraith trellis]

what does it look like if the hat is darker by 1 shade

[tribal sorrel]

itd blend too much

lemme try something

[autumn trellis]

i think the skins a little pale

[tribal sorrel]

@wraith trellis

[wraith trellis]

this is good

[tribal sorrel]

this feels too red

i cant really make the blue darker without it becoming redder like this

[autumn trellis]

oh i thought you would use the

these

[tribal sorrel]

im not using a custom palette

[autumn trellis]

oh right sorry nvm

[tribal sorrel]

@wraith trellis do you have the wega scream

[wraith trellis]

its loud

[ripe lance]

and this is the trimmed version i used for the one i made

i think just adding wega with the full scream is going to instantaneously ruin the quality of every server with girlpack in it

[tribal sorrel]

thats true

hows this

i might compress more

[wraith trellis]

i think the first part is funnier than the mid part

of the sceram

[tribal sorrel]

should i use my one or supers

[wraith trellis]

i think supers is better

if you could just make it slightly longer thatd be good

[ripe lance]

i got these from that one wega mod for srb2kart

[tribal sorrel]

hrm

probably shouldnt use it then

i think my faster one is fine

gets the point across

[ripe lance]

well it's literally just the wega scream but clipped

[tribal sorrel]

yea i know

but if its just from someone elses pack i'd rather not

[ripe lance]

dunno, it's not from an add-on on the message boards

(since it's just the wega png as a standalone mod)

[ripe lance]

so yea can I cash in a favor for this pretty please

[wraith trellis]

do you want it to be animated

[ripe lance]

preferably but anything is accepted

i should also like probably give you the dimensions of the warp

it'd be 120 pixels square

annoying

[wraith trellis]

@tribal sorrel use this next time u host

[tribal sorrel]

Ok

[ripe lance]

https://fixupx.com/whips_memory/status/1822796082495037652

[tribal sorrel]

thought

tarot deck follower

horn is a random kiriko tarot voice line

possible?

lua required?

[ripe lance]

lua required

[tribal sorrel]

i found them

[ripe lance]

btw @wraith trellis i already got all of cortex's voicelines just for you

[wraith trellis]

awesome

can u send it

[ripe lance]

@wraith trellis

i would have loved to get cortex's clips from crash 2

but they all have a filter on thme

[wraith trellis]

do you have specific uses for these voice clips in mind

[ripe lance]

"yes, that hurt" from the cnk voicelines for getting hurt

everything else i'm not really sure

[tribal sorrel]

watch this

[ripe lance]

she didn't watch it

[wraith trellis]

/fling

[wraith trellis]

FINALLY with the low pitched siren i was looking forever for

[ripe lance]

@wraith trellis add the discord golf cla

p

[wraith trellis]

the what

do u mean like

the default clap soundboard

[ripe lance]

yea

[wraith trellis]

ohh

okay

[tribal sorrel]

tryin to decide if i should tyr and remove the baked in echo

and put in hte ring racers one

or just use this verbatim

[wraith trellis]

for ao oni i just left the echo in

i think its probably cleaner if yu just leave it the way it is

but idk how easy it is to remove the echo

@ripe lance @tribal sorrel

[ripe lance]

awesome

[autumn trellis]

back demon

[wraith trellis]

whats wit hthe dr orpheus sesh

[autumn trellis]

two factors

1. i mentioned previously i had a desert bus with two orpheuses and it reminded me "oh i can just do the cheat that makes everyone one character"
2. on my first run of this map, ao oni got stuck somehow, but the game didnt save my replay. so i replayed it with 16 players to maximize the chances and i said "why not"

[ripe lance]

fuck this cup

master gp

[ripe lance]

we now have a witness of people seeing encore mode show up in track voting

the server had an average of 4500 PWR

...with only 3 people in it

[autumn trellis]

"i understand 3d space" says casual koopa, lying

(this is a little pixie from a show im not done watching yet. so theres supposed to be wings but theyre not there yet)

[tough bluff]

time for a government mandated "beauty shot"

[tribal sorrel]

follower idea: eternal star that you drag along the ground

like the whole statue

[autumn trellis]

no. it needs to be a racer /j

i was gonna make a second joke about a basegame racer who could be "L" but none of them start with L

[wraith trellis]

how big

[tribal sorrel]

pretty big

horn should be a muffled luigi noise

[autumn trellis]

im reaching a point where im realizing a divide between "characters who i feel would round out my pack nicely" and "characters i actually would use myself"

[autumn trellis]

whos next...

[wraith trellis]

i think youve got enough "hook" characters to just do whoever u want to play as now

[tribal sorrel]

were the legs on the fairy rendered right im having trouble tracking the bent one with the knee out

[autumn trellis]

i tried to make sure the leg closer to the camera was always The Bright One and the one further was The Dark One. which does make it harder to follow because they just switch at some point

[autumn trellis]

yeah but im not sure who i want to play as hfjkdsl

[tribal sorrel]

so wait do they switch or not because like more than half of the rotation angles has the legs positioned correctly its just strange from the back because we never see the bottom of the shoe like we should

a1-3 and 8look right but a4-7 feel like i cant tell whats going on

[autumn trellis]

ohhh wait no i. when i say "they switch" i mean "which one is the one In Light vs In Shadow" but now im realizing i forgot that the bottom of the shoe would go higher from the back

[tribal sorrel]

its not a leg lighting thing really the leg positions just arent tracking particularly the one where the foot is raised

[ripe lance]

https://mb.srb2.org/addons/skibidi-toilet.7374/

[ripe lance]

https://mb.srb2.org/addons/udgeys-workbench.6584/

[ripe lance]

ok I need some creative input for my track now

there's a section of the track that I'm struggling a bit to find an interesting gameplay idea for

[wraith trellis]

which portion

[ripe lance]

this section comes after a bunch of calmer bits of track where nothing interesting happens and thus are paced so they're pace breakers

this is to say that the section in this gif needs an exciting gameplay idea

it's hard to come up with something while remaining faithful to the original thing though

i'm a bit tempted to add boost pads to this for example which might dispel the illusion a bit

to a lesser extent i also need something for this which precedes it

[ripe lance]

in summary: straightaway to regain your bearings -> something interesting (short) -> straightaway 2 -> something interesting (long)

[wraith trellis]

maybe a few 15 ring boxes near the edge of the turn for the small one

[ripe lance]

maybe

i was hoping for something more exciting

[wraith trellis]

i think something segmenting the inner and outside parts of the turn could maybe be cool

or a hoop shortcut where you just drive upwards through a shortcut gate

[ripe lance]

i'm not sure what either of those things mean

[wraith trellis]

sorry i dont know the term for them

but you know the rings that launch you places

the one you use as a shortcut at the start of the race

[ripe lance]

right i get it

dash rings

[wraith trellis]

right sorry

[autumn trellis]

hey i was just gonna do a little ring racers before bed and i wanted to let you know that your most recent update to the horns loads with warnings smg

WARNING: ...blissful_horns_to_ease_you_to_sleep+koopas_alarm_clock.pk3|Lua/Horns.lua:156: unfinished string near '"Golf Clap - Discord},'

[wraith trellis]

fuuuuuuuck

[autumn trellis]

although that reminds me i should maybe staple together a few of the horn ideas ive been sitting on and pass them along

[wraith trellis]

ok here it is fixed

[autumn trellis]

thumbup

[tribal sorrel]

downloaded

kiriko isnt done yet but i threw together a test wad to check how her voices sound

[autumn trellis]

im not posting anything until it looks at least a little presentable but ive started my next character and i really hope i can pull it off

[wraith trellis]

the volume makes this really funny

[tribal sorrel]

i also figured out erasing reverb

its a little rough but i think it sounds fine in-game

[ripe lance]

what do you do

to erase reverb

[tribal sorrel]

ive had a tool for it it just didnt work at first because it was the only voice clip in stereo

[autumn trellis]

its more horns time

[autumn trellis]

more horns

(replace the entirety of the old folder with this one. i also cut a few that were too drawn out to be funny)

[wraith trellis]

ok here it is w/ your new ones added

i hope i didnt fuck it up

[autumn trellis]

ill load it to try

also i randomly stumbled across something that could be big for single player if i figure it out

as youve probably seen, there's an OC exclusive ring racers discord server . yesterday i joined the lobby with most players, and it was theirs. and the relevant bit is that they have a lua script that forces you to play as OCs with a few exceptions

and it gave me an idea so i tried it and it works on CPUs too

"OCs" means "any character not listed in basegame, minus a small list" so it scales up infinitely and the lua script looks very simple

so. right now the default behavior is to turn any Illegal Characters into knuckles

[wraith trellis]

so it straight up just doesnt let you place base game characters?

[autumn trellis]

yeah they turn into knuckles

the OC server also allows heavy magician and ring the racer but thats beside the point

i theorize that all i would need to do is take that script and make it turn you into "a random legal character" instead of "knuckles", and then you can restrict CPUs to whoever you want. which i very strongly desire and ive seen it come up a lot when the ring racers suggestion thread was active on the MB

right now i have to keep entering and exiting a race until i get a satisfactory amount of our modded characters as CPUs. but if i can tinker with this just enough i think i can make a script that guarantees it

(and would also effectively allow custom CPU colors because they retain the colors they "spawned" with)

this is the script. this isnt its original name, but the only thing i've changed so far is adding the RNG generator from hornmod

i would need to check Various sources to find out if this is all open assets but i really just want it for singleplayer so i dont mind if i cant post it

also the new horns arent there lol

ill get it hang on

its just you didnt add the text bit hfjklds

[autumn trellis]

is this not the same thing i just posted

[wraith trellis]

oh i misread LOL

i thought you sent me the fixed txt file or something

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One day I will finish this

[tribal sorrel]

sefiwoth

you have to

otherwise theyll never have their full rival sets

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I knoooooowwwwww

[tribal sorrel]

you might be able to make him symmetrical

which would make it rly easy

u could cheat these bangs to be symmetrical for sure

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Not too worried abt the hair it's just his eyes that have been bugging me

Like I want them to look more on model

[tribal sorrel]

steal clouds and work from there

i think his chin can also be sharper

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True

These first drafts r rough lol

[wraith trellis]

it seems like generally his brows are p[pretty close to his eyes

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I lost the original file for this

[wraith trellis]

i think the details of this one are good i just think the expression needs to be more snide

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Yeah

[wraith trellis]

looking at art and models i think the nose could maybe be a little longer

it would help his face look more sharp

[tribal sorrel]

heres all of the ones ive drawn so far btw if you want more size ref

barrets kinda small (accidental)

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This is what I was going for previously but I just couldn't get it to look right in sprite form

[tribal sorrel]

nomura eyes r very hard at this scale theyre def bigger in my sprites than they are on the actaul models

@left badge can i try to poke

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Yeah shore

I'll send da file over in a minut

[tribal sorrel]

yayers

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go nuts

[tribal sorrel]

@left badge

im not 100% satisifed his nose is rly hard to get right

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Look at dat shnoz

This is rlly funuy lol

His eyes r so cunty here but I think I'm gonna keep them smaller

I like how u did the eyes when u did morrigan

I wanna do sumthing similar to that

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Yah this is gud

[ripe lance]

l is real....

i like how the plaque plausibly reads that here

what sound clip are you using

[tribal sorrel]

dunno yte

i took the graphic from the n64 texture and scaled/recolored it

[ripe lance]

ahh

[ripe lance]

luigi let's-a-go

[autumn trellis]

fhfslkdjfhdlksj i was expecting it to be so muffled you can barely tell what the sound is. Not The Case

[ripe lance]

sketching up ideas

is this interesting or should I push it further

i'd like to try avoiding using sneaker panels, but...

btw orange arm yoshi is out
https://mb.srb2.org/addons/bepichars.6646/

[tough bluff]

update out
https://mb.srb2.org/addons/spindashpak-re-pak-demo.7194/

[tough bluff]

What theme are you going for currently?

[ripe lance]

what do you mean theme

[tough bluff]

Like how's the map gonna look

[ripe lance]

like this

it's a port

[tough bluff]

Oh

Weirdly a wallride type cut could work?

[ripe lance]

i don't think i want to add walls to this?

so most of the track is just downhill no barriers

which i think can be interesting enough as a premise but i'm having a bit of a hard time figuring out how

[autumn trellis]

does anyone on this server keep their map mods in a separate folder/otherwise have them easily sorted. and if so can you send them all to me right now they're all floating in Downloads stasis

[ripe lance]

what for

i don't keep map mods sorted

i mean, they're all prefixed anyway

[autumn trellis]

yea but because they're in download stasis the versions are confusing. and at least one of them hard crashes my game

i dont want to ask someone else to do the work of sorting them for me but if theres anyone for whom it would be Zero Work then i may as well take that

[ripe lance]

uhhhh???????

[autumn trellis]

what

[ripe lance]

how do you just have a map mod that crashes the game

[autumn trellis]

i dont know i was just going down the list, trying to only click the ones that seem like the most recent, and the game just crashed on a specific one

i think i have gotten messed up mod files in my download folders before. something to do with tabbing out partway and direct downloading, i think

i dont know if this is that but. shrug

[ripe lance]

hi

is she all ready

also does she just have sonic's stats

[tribal sorrel]

not quite and yes

shes fully playable but signpost and death sprites arent done

[autumn trellis]

god i know its not the cool new thing but i cant get over how nice orpheus's popping out of the frame is

also i truly do not understand the amount of people in kartkrew who ping reply a character with just (name of character)

[wraith trellis]

its like the people here who respond to every qotd with "mario"

[autumn trellis]

im sooooooo smart

im also doing my best to fiddle with the lua for a "CPUs use your modded characters" script

[autumn trellis]

help ive been pulled into a conversation about hazbin hotel

[ripe lance]

good luck

[ripe lance]

i found the cheat code to tasteless taunts

[autumn trellis]

YOU WHAT

wait what this sucks

this whole time i thought it removed voice clip limitations

but no it doesnt its only for follower horns?

wait no it does remove voice clip limitations, but gloat is immune

its also not truly unlimited. but its decent

[tribal sorrel]

watch this

[wraith trellis]

All of cortex's assets are done

Btw what should his third rival be

Obviously the first two are crash and eggman

I was thinking maybe the third rival could be Orpheus because they're both doctors of some kind with goatees and a similar hair shape but Orpheus is a necromancer and cortex is a scientist

[ripe lance]

wonder boy because dingodile is my only idea

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@tribal sorrel is it okay if culd u resend the sheet for all of the games palletes

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burp

[ripe lance]

hi yes it's me mit
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/514241369137741825/1233920218594541650/kart_colors.png?ex=66bf3581&is=66bde401&hm=fed16e0f02326d030ffe6835f291e20f1d514d69ef3a70d3fff7c74f547477f5&

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Thank u super

[ripe lance]

@tough bluff do you have the ultimate zone builder thing for ring racers

[tough bluff]

Just copy the config

Unless you mean hayas

[ripe lance]

haya's

[tough bluff]

Then it's somewhere in custom courses

I could find it for ya

Hold on

#513457687556784129 message

Here ya go

[ripe lance]

ty

okay this is not the most super useful thing

i'm using birdslopes

ugh...

[wraith trellis]

jesus

the ring racers thread is like 200 messages away from surpassing the fighting games thread message count

[ripe lance]

that's awesome

[autumn trellis]

morrigan and juri stay winning

[left badge]

ring racers is a fighting game

[wraith trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-hmm-thinking-smile-gif-12571277

[tribal sorrel]

kiriko done

[ripe lance]

yay

[autumn trellis]

applausers

[tribal sorrel]

the real deliberation im having rn is whether or not i wanna um

finish eternal star

[ripe lance]

it wud be funny

[tribal sorrel]

it wouldnt be too hard but i need reference for it

[ripe lance]

that can't be hard

[autumn trellis]

what's there to finish? is it not just billboarded

[ripe lance]

let me open up blender

[tribal sorrel]

its a 3d model

id need 3/4 and side

[autumn trellis]

oh okay

[tribal sorrel]

3/4 back would be teh same as 3/4 front

[ripe lance]

perspective or orthographic

[tribal sorrel]

perspective i think

wait

orthographic wouldnt show the sides right

[ripe lance]

nope

so perspective it is

@tribal sorrel

is this good

[tribal sorrel]

yea thats good ty

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oh the l is real star

[wraith trellis]

Is it gonna skid across the ground

[tribal sorrel]

yea

im gonna make it animate so that its always just scraping along hte ground vibrating

[wraith trellis]

I was gonna ask if u were gonna do something like that

Like having dust come out of it when it scrapes across the ground

[tribal sorrel]

im not sure if ill do that much

i wish i could make it generate particles

[ripe lance]

send it

[tribal sorrel]

which is good for movement

[wraith trellis]

2 is more noticable during gameplay

[ripe lance]

i feel you should make the plaque the same color

ergo not green

[tribal sorrel]

i think its fine

[ripe lance]

@tribal sorrel are you ready to do this again

[tribal sorrel]

yea

[ripe lance]

awesome

[autumn trellis]

history echoing on itself

also is the follower positioned backwards relative to basegame followers or is this screenshot just you backing up so it turns around

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Ring racers Alex manifesting

[tribal sorrel]

i would maybe do alex if not for fuckin barks stupid voice

[tribal sorrel]

its backwards

plush aerith is the same way

[wraith trellis]

wait

mit

[tribal sorrel]

makes it feel more like ur dragging it around

thats me

[wraith trellis]

could u use the tatsunoko vs capcom voice

[tribal sorrel]

fuck no

[wraith trellis]

or whatever its called

idk what he sounds like there

[tribal sorrel]

japanese

[wraith trellis]

fuck that is lame

[tribal sorrel]

https://mb.srb2.org/addons/girlpack.6723/

[autumn trellis]

raising from my drowsiness to clap and cheer

[tribal sorrel]

https://youtu.be/qkcV0MIyRrY

ok so

@wraith trellis

do you agree these alex clips fit bark better than the third strike ones

[wraith trellis]

yea

[ripe lance]

yea kinda

[wraith trellis]

theyre definitely not like

as characteristically alex

although the "jesus" voice clip is funny

if u make alex u should use the jesus voice clip if you get a bad rank

[tribal sorrel]

bark does

:(

[ripe lance]

yea the devs already beat mit to the punch

[wraith trellis]

what da hell

[ripe lance]

i wonder if your alex mod specifically is why bark sounds like that

[tribal sorrel]

its REALLY similar

bark

alex

bark also like

only has one boost/attack clip?

[wraith trellis]

wtf

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Idk.....

[tribal sorrel]

for bark?

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No for Alex

[tribal sorrel]

oh yea no im not using these for alex

im saying these should be barks

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Oh yea sorry misread what u said lawl

Yeah this shuld be barks voice

[wraith trellis]

mit forcing the devs to make it use NG alex clips so she can make alex with no issues

[tribal sorrel]

if hes gotta use alex voice clips ( ) these feel less immediately recognizable

[tribal sorrel]

i wish

i do think barks voice clips entirely go against what ive understood to be their philosophy for choosing voices

[ripe lance]

how so

[tribal sorrel]

it sounds like they just did it because Lawl He Looks Like Alex rather than it being actually fitting (or fucking fair LOL theyre all the same ones as my mod)

bean was provided as an example for me

[ripe lance]

bean reeks of "i don't like what ian flynn did to him"

[ripe lance]

goatse

[tribal sorrel]

bean doesnt use the predictable daffy duck voice because 1. his voice is too recognizable, which breaks immersion and 2. his voice would get annoying, which also breaks immersion

[wraith trellis]

shut up super

shut the hell up

[ripe lance]

that's his working designs

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Naw supers right

[ripe lance]

surely they could've used something other than daffy duck exact

...but I can't really think of anything

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Beans voice clips kinda suck but I like the scream he makes when he gets hit

[tribal sorrel]

i think most of the immediate options people would think of (daffy, woody woodpecker, etc) would be too annoying or too recognizable

[tribal sorrel]

i was told this directly from one of the devs

[wraith trellis]

i respect them changing fangs voice from sniper to a random australian guy

[tribal sorrel]

point is that alex obviously breaks this because his voice clips are iconic

[ripe lance]

if bearenger got in the game would he not sound like pete cat

[ripe lance]

i... don't think they are

[tribal sorrel]

they absolutely are

[wraith trellis]

they are if u know who alex is

[tribal sorrel]

as much as sniper's are, in fang's case

[ripe lance]

if you're a big third strike guy, sure

[tribal sorrel]

which

this is a nerd gmae for nerds

[ripe lance]

oh so that's what fang is

[tribal sorrel]

fang isn't sniper

[ripe lance]

yea but not all these nerds are fighting game nerds

[wraith trellis]

any street fighter fan probably knows "YOU CANT ESCAPE" or "AT EASE, LOSER"

[ripe lance]

oh LOL

[tribal sorrel]

im saying if he was he'd have the same issue as bark

[wraith trellis]

fang was sniper in srb2k

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True

[wraith trellis]

ring racers literally advertises that it takes inspiration from fighting games on the website

[ripe lance]

i know i know

don't need to tell me thrice that the devs are fighting game nerds

there's a fucking third strike voiceclip follower

one of the tracks is called "melty manor"

[tribal sorrel]

god

[ripe lance]

YES

[wraith trellis]

this is cortexs working design because i had no better ideas

[ripe lance]

i wanted to bring back the wrath of cortex character mod

[wraith trellis]

idk if its better with or without the giant ufcking text

[ripe lance]

where i'd render him and he'd have the full 16 frames of rotation

but i never figured out how to best render him

new blender update threw me for a loop

[ripe lance]

without

[wraith trellis]

i was gonna like

[left badge]

Meant to say this earlier but Some of ring racers character picks r so corny to me doe lol

[wraith trellis]

redraw the other signpost to look like the wrath of cortex model for working designs

but the model is so fucking ugly and hard to replicate that i couldnt do it

[ripe lance]

LOL

[wraith trellis]

every time i tried to draw him it looked

too appealing

[ripe lance]

like who

[left badge]

Ulala, vyse, and kiryu got axed in favor of I guess something more Sega saturn??? Which is saur lame to me

[wraith trellis]

ring racers devs are annoying af for including aigis from persona and not kiryu

[ripe lance]

kiryu was made by a non-dev

who incidentally lost the source files to him

[left badge]

True actually

[wraith trellis]

yeah but hes also like

one of The Sega guys

objectively

[tribal sorrel]

a lot of the picks are kinda wackadoo it screams of Yea we just did this for funsies

[wraith trellis]

sega considers yakuza a "pillar franchise"

or wtf the term was

[ripe lance]

the guy from Astropede

remember

[left badge]

Like why is charmy and espio here but vector got the cut lol

[tribal sorrel]

do thye have Bug!

[ripe lance]

no

[tribal sorrel]

stupid

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Naw but gutbuster is here for some reason

[tribal sorrel]

i think if ur gonna do archaic dumbass sega picks they should be like. funny and good

i like gutbuster

hes fine

[wraith trellis]

i respect the weirdass sonic picks

[tribal sorrel]

i think its weird how much the uh

the polish is inconsistent

not eve like oh some chars are out of style

[ripe lance]

espio looks like cheeks

[tribal sorrel]

sonic and knuckles dont have hurtframes

[ripe lance]

sorry. had to say it

[left badge]

I think bean also has this problem

[wraith trellis]

i dont think eggman has hurt frames either

[left badge]

Don't quote me on dat tho

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I was surprised to see freedom planet rep tho lawl

[ripe lance]

eggman doesn't though

there's a metric crapton of songs from the freedom planet composer in the game

actually i think carol is taken verbatim from a srb2kart add-on?

[left badge]

Oh waow

[ripe lance]

hmm nop

must've conjured that

[tribal sorrel]

cream is

i know this because i remember virt making her

lol

[ripe lance]

yea there's a couple characters that are

cream, ray

[left badge]

I'm still confused why vector isn't here

Also yea espio is hideous

[wraith trellis]

anyone miss doomguy being basegame

[ripe lance]

they did want to put him in but he was low priority

[tribal sorrel]

lets collab with the best artists in kart krew to redraw the vanilla roster

[ripe lance]

he's supposedly next in line for an update

along with gamma

[tribal sorrel]

and add obvious characters missing

[ripe lance]

not omega, gamma

[tribal sorrel]

this would be the most hateful thing anyone could ever do

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Like actually

[ripe lance]

there's already a vector and a resprited espio

lol

[left badge]

No vyse and ulala

[wraith trellis]

im gonna make kiryu after cortex anyways sooo

💅

[ripe lance]

i do think it's a little surprising miku isn't in

[tribal sorrel]

ill never live it down

no miku but azusa is here

[left badge]

Not Sega enough

[tribal sorrel]

for the joke of azusa

[wraith trellis]

HEEEELP

[ripe lance]

what even

[wraith trellis]

what did i do wrong when exporting as a sprietsheet

[tribal sorrel]

whatd you do

did you change the transparent color

[wraith trellis]

ok wait

[left badge]

I don't even wanna know how this could happen

[wraith trellis]

i have no clue

[tribal sorrel]

i think you changed the transparent color

it looks like the changed transparent color is layering over all ur different layers

[wraith trellis]

yea

[tribal sorrel]

so change the transparent color back

or just recolor it

[ripe lance]

vanessa lewis from virtua fighter was gonna be in

she has a 3d model

[wraith trellis]

what the hell

she shouldve gotten in

[left badge]

Is her model still in the game?

[ripe lance]

no

her voicelines are though

i mean for all we know both the model and sprites are still unfinished

[left badge]

Waow

[ripe lance]

the other cut new character is zylo from shining force

but i think this has to do with a team member leaving. idk

[tribal sorrel]

wtf

i offered to maek sonic characters for the team and it didnt seem to go anywhere

[left badge]

Omgggg just get over it lol

[tribal sorrel]

whch is to say i'd hop on if they let me make sarah from the ova

[left badge]

Like bruh

[ripe lance]

normally it's the other way around

you make them then they can get in

well it was like that for srb2kart

there's already a vector in the game and it's inevitably going to feel like a waste if it doesn't just get added to base

the spritework is really good

[left badge]

When I'm in a dumb decisions competition and my opponents are sonic fan game developers

https://tenor.com/view/blacrswan-gif-25600014

Omg who said that...

[tribal sorrel]

im very like

i Get it right like srb2kart ppl are fucking nightmarish and have proven to be insane

in kart krew

but at the same time i wish they were more open to trusting certain community members to helping out for real

im not really like jumping up and down excited to make a bunch of sonics tho

thats the problem idgaf about any of these dudes

i know they dont want Any mario shit at all but if htey put mario in base id do anything they asked to make it happen

[left badge]

I genuinely do not understand why things r so closed off it's not like y'all r getting paid for this

[tribal sorrel]

thats why theyre closed off

[wraith trellis]

im glad i dont know anything about srb2k people being nuts

[tribal sorrel]

ppl are fucking insane

[wraith trellis]

but at the same time im intrigued

[ripe lance]

if they put mario in base then no one would have a reason to download girlpack

[tribal sorrel]

u saw it eeven when ring racers dropped

true but there would be fewer annoying ppl

and it would be hype to unlock luigi by playing as green mario

[ripe lance]

they wouldn't do luigi...

[wraith trellis]

if you cant handle aerith and juri u dont deserve mario

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1126920369366909069/1253501485917147166/tupactrust-ezgif.com-apng-to-gif-converter.gif

[ripe lance]

well for their sanity they have to break the "one character per guest series" rule anyway since it otherwise means beat will never get in the game

and that's objectively a cut character

like smash bros slots type of shit

[tribal sorrel]

who said thats a rule

[ripe lance]

it's why joker isn't in srb2kart

[left badge]

When was this established

[ripe lance]

despite like

being There

[tribal sorrel]

super is making up rules i know all the real ones

[left badge]

They're r like two shin megami tensei characters in ring racers

[ripe lance]

"persona is a shin megami tensei game" 🤓

[tribal sorrel]

considering fucking Vector isnt in base id sooner assume that theres one per guest series just because otherwise theyd have no way to cap off what theyre doing

[left badge]

Well yes!

[tribal sorrel]

when the smt rep is literally jack frost you can say with perfect reason that theres two persona characters

[left badge]

Yuppp

[wraith trellis]

wait so

are the two persona reps aigis and jack frost

is that whats being alluded here

[tribal sorrel]

yea

[left badge]

Yes

[ripe lance]

but they're like completely different things at this point

[tribal sorrel]

admit you made up a fake rule

and be banished back to the guess the color thread

[left badge]

Have u played an smt game super

[wraith trellis]

my friend has

[ripe lance]

fuck!!!!!

alright back to the guess the color thread it is

[wraith trellis]

whenever he plays ring racers and encounters jack frost he treats it like hes seeing a cockroach crawling on his screen

[left badge]

I wanna know the kart knew tea tho Bc I've also heard some obnoxious stuff behind the scenes lol

[ripe lance]

like what

[left badge]

Im nosey👃

[ripe lance]

there's the whole stuff with fickle i guess

[tribal sorrel]

its not kart krew tea like not the staff its the general userbase

theyre literally insane

[ripe lance]

i don't really want to know more than i already do though

[wraith trellis]

to me

[left badge]

Oh yah well I already knew dat

[wraith trellis]

ring racers launch felt like the first time in a while where actual sonic fans (insane people) showed up for something srb2k related

but i dont know how like

integrated i actually am with the userbase

[left badge]

Sonic fan moment

Ppl were calling this game trash the second it launched lol

Not helped by the 45 minute tutorial

[tribal sorrel]

yea

it was a perfect storm

[left badge]

That's still a bitch and a half to skip lol

[wraith trellis]

I SURVIVED THE LAUNCH DAY SINGLEPLAYER BOT RUBBERBANDING

[left badge]

Like u can't just skip it u have to put in a password and stuff

[wraith trellis]

AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS PASSWORD THAT LETS ME SKIP THE TUTORIAL

[ripe lance]

i did the tutorial and played the first grand prix and then went online

and had a time

this is my most famous clip from that day

[left badge]

And when u try to skip it without a password the game forces u to fight hard cpus Bc u didn't wanna hear tails and eggman mansplain to u on how to play the game

[ripe lance]

apropos of nothing the password is called gaster

[tribal sorrel]

its a lot

[left badge]

Also srb2 kids r scary

[tribal sorrel]

the game design of this game i like Understand but i dont agree with a decent chunk of it

[wraith trellis]

yea

[tribal sorrel]

the game is fun and was a lot to learn but i dont think the tutorial was framed as well as it shouldve been and minor things like the way points are distributed in gp and how punishing failing special stages are are totally ridiculous

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I remember u saying everything has a high risk high reward mentality within every facet of this games design but yeah it gets super obnoxious

Eyes the Invincible cup

[wraith trellis]

@tribal sorrel do oyu know any audio program for windows that lets you preview sound files quickly without taking like 10 seconds to load the file like windows media player

[tribal sorrel]

foobar

[wraith trellis]

i just need to preview sound files so i can figure out what i wanna use for cortex but the windows one sucks so much fucking ass

[ripe lance]

if i rip echo-y cortex voiceclips will someone un-echo them

[tribal sorrel]

i can try

[ripe lance]

swag

ok give me a minute

@wraith trellis do we fuck with this

for hitconfirm

[wraith trellis]

thats pretty good

i havent gone through all the sound clips but i wanted something mocking sounding