#Ring Racers
wraith trellis
autumn trellis
i think yes go for it
wraith trellis
The left img is gonna be lookback and the right image is hurt
autumn trellis
if you (broad you not literally you smg) are an ao oni fan in current day surely youve accepted some levity being part of the character
wraith trellis
Guy who's a fan of ao oni for the serious horror
autumn trellis
speaking of other animations im coming up on "oh god how do i animate epitaph in just two frames"
wraith trellis
The hair itself shouldn't be that bad
You basically just draw alternating wave shapes
autumn trellis
i feel like thats the Only part im worried about. alternating waves with that few frames scares me
but i guess ill see. maybe its secretly easy-ish
by the way is the blocky shading on ao oni intentional
oh nvm just saw creative discussion
tough bluff
Something Something hyper engine
Something Something story mode mod
wraith trellis
ripe lance
awesome
tribal sorrel
tribal sorrel
i think smg means for tanooki mario
wraith trellis
yeah
ripe lance
oops
wraith trellis
its fine lol
tribal sorrel
wraith trellis
i will probably need to refer back to that anyway when making ao oni do the caramelldansen
does dying revert you back to regular mario for the rest of the race
tribal sorrel
that would be funny but naw
tribal sorrel
with lua
ripe lance
cuz no one's done custom exploded kart leftovers uet
autumn trellis
turnarounds done
autumn trellis
for future reference, how do you handle the space between head and body for things like glances? do you create an entire neck on the body layer, and apply the changed heads over it?
("you" here is me asking "how do You, The Reader, Personally do it" not necessarily "whats the Objective Correct Way to do it." although i figure there probably is a Best Way)
tribal sorrel
i put the neck on body
autumn trellis
attempt 1 at the effect
i think i need to:
make the tips move less erratically. most of them are close but not quite there: the second from the top is outright illegible
make the space pattern more consistent. its subtle enough to be hard to see, so i may as well embrace that instead of trying to get crazy with it
try to integrate some sort of blue in there...? right now i think the stars are too big when they oscillate to 3x3. making them smaller is one thing but making them not Exclusively white would help too i think
autumn trellis
how does this look?
wait wrong one
wait i didnt upscale it
wait i missed a spot
this isnt a bit i messed it up 3 times in a row one sec
ahem. okay how does this look?
autumn trellis
autumn trellis
@wraith trellis how did you find voice clips from asb/eoh?
like, not "how did you download them", but "whats the easiest method of matching them up to their subtitles" in cases where its not obvious
wraith trellis
well for one i have all star battle r which makes knowing voice lines easier
jojowiki also has pages listing the dialogue
but its not very helpful if you cant uh. read japanese
autumn trellis
hi sorry i disappeared like 30 seconds after i asked the question i had to go do something for a while
is it just this tab?
i know asb r names its moves directly after their associated quotes so i guess that too
wraith trellis
if you scroll down theres also all the taunts
and those have a bunch of shit also
like thats where i got a good amount of jotaros voice lines
autumn trellis
ic
wraith trellis
really
autumn trellis
no
wraith trellis
that fucking sucks
autumn trellis
i was wrong
its just past the point of ... in the file name
so i had to scroll in for the full names
lol
(for reference for future readers, i said something along the lines of "the lines only have Good labels in asb, not asb r)
tribal sorrel
ok so, i have an idea for tanooki mario that i think would be more involved
but might be more fun?
replace fastfall with statue
when you transform you dead drop. no acceleration but momentum still applies
so if you fastfall onto a decline you go INSANELY fast
and youre locked to that for a couple seconds until you can transform back
if you fastfall onto flat ground you just stop
ripe lance
that's just insane
autumn trellis
hes basically done
im in no rush to post my next update so i will probably wait on king crimson for a little just in case smg or setdown want to set the standard for stands
wraith trellis
hes basically done
this signpost is really nice
the only issue i have is that his fingertip looks disconnected from his finger
how it feels to refresh my submission page and see that its still not accepted
autumn trellis
this signpost is really nice
i noticed that after assembling the character and i was like DAMMIT
i suppose i should go fix it
autumn trellis
okay now diavolos done for real
i Also keep refreshing the ring racers category to see when jotaro and heavy are gonna pop up
im not uploading diavolo yet, partially for the aforementioned king crimson thing, and partially because i want to have One "these are the non-mecha guys" update before i go back to it
cant wait for nobody here to enjoy my next three characters
hes 1/7 with the joke being that king crimson is like instantaneous acceleration
my characters loooove being bottom left. thatll change soon but my heatmap definitely leans towards a certain corner
tough bluff
Something something kartrider
autumn trellis
LMAOOO me when i reveal im doing a danganronpa character
autumn trellis
Something something kartrider
and this is cool !! the jump at the end is fun
wraith trellis
ok
through the stupidest fucking layer management of all time i got ao oni's lookback done
tribal sorrel
thats soooo many layers
wraith trellis
its because his head shape is asymmetrical but his eyes are not
ripe lance
i was gonna say at least they're named
wraith trellis
only for the lookback though
ripe lance
but they're not really
wraith trellis
keep in mind that lookback 1 is the original
autumn trellis
i havent gotten koopalings level of crazy since them but i also love* having ridiculous amounts of layers
sometimes when i do a change im not confident in ill temporarily make a layer called "[name of thing] cowardice" and ill merge it down later when im confident. but sometimes im never confident
autumn trellis
hol horse and for a follower you can either have boingo in his cart (now on wheels) or a rolling bottle of glass and when you hit someone it breaks and hanged man bursts out of the ground like in hftf
(and then the bottle returns somehow i havent figured that bit out yet)
autumn trellis
im not sure how youd animate that and not go insane but i did have that idea
it would be SO SICK. hol horse that can form the unbeatable duo with Literally Anyone
wraith trellis
im not sure how youd animate that and not go insane but i did have that idea
you just give hol horse an extra sprite for each angle where his hand is up like hes tossing something and then have some sprites for the bottle at different angles
autumn trellis
well racers dont have hitconfirm
i thought you were saying hanged man provides his own new bottle
wraith trellis
oh i see
i wish i knew shit about lua so i could confirm if that was actually possible or not
autumn trellis
i mean it fully is possible
to have hanged man be self sufficient
itd just be like. i guess have his hand pop up after hes done showing off and toss out a new bottle
wraith trellis
i mean the hol horse hitconfirm thing
autumn trellis
oh yea. i see no reason why it wouldnt be but its not in simpler animaL so i wouldnt be the one to take that plunge on my own
hol horse in general is like. thats a good pitch. i dont think its likely for me but its not impossible
maybe ill go off the deep end and do permanent thoth horse
also this is why i was wondering about being insane and making a pseudo-character select for followers
such that you're not just looking at a bottle when you're choosing hanged man
i will test the intricacies of that Tomorrow!
autumn trellis
big news
so you can have hanged man As Hanged Man on follower select but instantly become a bottle in regular gameplay
wraith trellis
wow
autumn trellis
okay now i really do have to pay attention to l gaim but im pretty sure this is big!!!
wraith trellis
any estimate on when youre internets coming back super
autumn trellis
throwing out an idea, just to help diagnose the problem: try increasing the edges of the image massively and see if that makes it run. fastest way to find out if the problem is "trying to find coordinates that doesnt exist"
tribal sorrel
i mean its finding all of the sprites its just not able to compile them
autumn trellis
big news
also, updated thought: if you wanted this to be an Animation on select, you could just make the first frame normal and completely eliminate the drawback
ripe lance
it crashes here
this usually means the image's dimensions are fucked
or so is the properties.txt file
as in, the program is trying to read a portion of the image that is off limits
tribal sorrel
using aerith's properties instead doesnt fix it
so it is the image
but the image should be fine
its the same as aerith's in terms of layout/dimensions
autumn trellis
have you tried making it huge and seeing if that solves it
just as a diagnostic
like it wouldnt "solve" it in that the mistake will probably have caused another problem but at least youll know
tribal sorrel
i mean ive barely done anything different here andthe layout and image size is identical to a character who works
autumn trellis
i guess. i just feel like if it only takes some 60 seconds to whip out canvas size and run it to see what happens, then
tribal sorrel
i dont understand what that would do since its not like it gives you an error message
autumn trellis
well like. if it doesnt crash, youve identified the issue. if it still crashes then theres a secret other problem
tribal sorrel
it worked and the kart underlay didnt work
wait
i know what i did wrong
no i didnt
i dont know what i did wrong
ok
i fixed it
i dont know what the problem actually was
tribal sorrel
no
i used a fresh asym template and readded the right text and it worked
even though i initially worked off of aerith's
which
wait i know why
its because i tried running aerith with a quick and dirty separate glance/drift like before
and didnt like the output
but i have tifa and aerith both redone now
ripe lance
yayers
ripe lance
of course
autumn trellis
applausers
tribal sorrel
i like almost get a self satisfying high from the idea of making my own preferential birdo
and shed be symmetrical
it would take like 10 minutes...
kiriko is screaming out to me most as far as what to do next
i like her
shes like me
birdo might be a fun palate cleanse before cloud though
and then i can finish wario and maintain balance
or i can split up aerith and tifa from aerith and tifa v2 and be fine forever
autumn trellis
birdo as featured in mit's allegory of the cave
autumn trellis
i support making birdo as a statement
tribal sorrel
just sma1 art birdo?
ripe lance
ok i see the vision
tribal sorrel
autumn trellis
it still feels jarring to me that a new submission has to be looked over very closely which is why it takes so long but then you can do a million updates with no supervision
also i love birdos expression
ripe lance
yea she looks good
autumn trellis
couldnt sleep last night so i tried starting on one of the nice promotional images people have for their packs
i really need to make a consistent one for single characters that i can keep reusing, but as of yet i cant be bothered to go assemble everyones name out of individual letter sprites
tribal sorrel
birdo turnaround is blocked in
took like an hour tops lol. wildly simpler character than everything ive done prior
wraith trellis
it never even occured to me but yeah birdo is a very simple character design
tough bluff
basically finished with the map, just need to do the waypoints
ripe lance
it looks awesome
autumn trellis
making this head has felt like when i was a little kid playing mario kart wii a single time and i couldnt tell if motion controls were on so i went through entire laps slamming into walls. its like that
autumn trellis
it mostly looks good rn. i think seeing it in motion the A4's... like... middle-back head stretches too wide. but otherwise yeah
but getting there has been "fuck it we ball" if "fuck it we ball" had no confidence hfkjdsjhlfds
also yeah im surprised its been so long
wraith trellis
they got to the old, wrong submission real quick
its awesome that i basically have a refresh counter
autumn trellis
not that it matters to any of us at this point but i wonder if its optimal to just make one tiny thing and add everything else through updates- WHAT??
no, refreshes don't count, i would know
but like. idk what else this could be, so maybe they do?????
wraith trellis
theyre ignoring me on purpose :sob
autumn trellis
:spbs:
wait
lol
i have an old bit that :spbs: is an evil version of :sobs: but also thats spb s
wraith trellis
what is that thing
autumn trellis
its :spbs:
idk what to tell you
but yeah like. i am almost certain refreshes dont count. but also i cant imagine mods have seen your thing 123 times
out of curiosity, can you send me the link to it? to see what happens?
wraith trellis
autumn trellis
i assume it just tells you- yea
thats so weird then?? i thought registering as a view and as a download were both tied to your account
i can open my own pack on incognito and spam refresh and it does nothing. my vpn situation is annoying rn so i dont want to go get that but id be surprised if it saved every IP address that views any resource
autumn trellis
ahem
#1243748055719743498 message
CSS selection animations are real for followers
autumn trellis
ring racers chat i want you to give it to me honestly
is this too much? have i gone too far
wraith trellis
how would this b too much
autumn trellis
the hair complexity
autumn trellis
mostly for the non-a1s. i think the a1 is fine but im having trouble translating it over
ive had azusa for reference and she definitely does not
i dont mind being different but im not confident that its Good
like, i kind of like where it's going? when i say im trying to keep the A1's vibe i mean this bit. i think this looks great
but when ihave to spread it over a large area i worry if im just making it nonsense pixels
tribal sorrel
i dont think this hair is particularly complex HOWEVER it is more than a little messy
this is very bog standard layered long hair
right now your lighting isn't representing the 3d forms of the hair, and the highlight feels more graphic than it does 3 dimensional
since hte highlight isn't following any natural curve of the head shape
it reads more like a strip of dyed hair
vanilla ring racers hair tends to have a LOT of pared down detail, but i dont think that means its impossible to twist it how you want, if i managed for aerith then anything is possible
autumn trellis
presently i was attempting simplifying it way down to make there be a few legible strands
tribal sorrel
the issue is that you're drawing lines and not 3d shapes
the lower ends of the hair feels more 3d than the top
i can't really follow the lighting on the top and the hair shine doesn't help
autumn trellis
hmm. yeah
tribal sorrel
this is really simple, but this is how i rendered tifa's hair
from the back
from the front, just for point of reference
i'm heavily emphasizing the uh
the surfaces of these shapes
more than the individual lines
they are there, the lines, but in such a way that doesn't break up much of the surface lighting
rendering your hair geometrically and putting down surface lighting first then detail second will give you a better grasp of how lighting would remain consistent across rotations while also maintaining the level of detail vanilla wants
autumn trellis
alright. ill restart the back hair entirely and try to do that
tribal sorrel
lemme try and poke at azusa a bit to show how they do it
autumn trellis
i have all of azusas on hand so here
tribal sorrel
heres how im reading the geometric shape of her bang
white is the "crease", where lighting would be at its brightest (especially if its closest to camera), then each surface is color coded
if there's figure reference of this character it'd help with simplifying the shapes as well
autumn trellis
i couldnt even find any reference of her facing directly away from the camera so probably not
tribal sorrel
whats the characters name?
wraith trellis
i cant get over how much he remarkably looks like the ash baby whenever hes not fully rendered
wraith trellis
found the old oni sprite while scrolling through pinned messages in a gc
tribal sorrel
well. lol
autumn trellis
i didnt think to check the little chibi version which helped with the ridges
tribal sorrel
oh this hair is super normal
i roughed this earlier, i was worried about how involved i should have aimed
yea you can use a lot fewer lines and bumps
its extremely subtle layering there's basically no really involved shaping going on
autumn trellis
so did i do it right?
like i know its not gonna be a binary yes/no because thats not how it works but am i doing the right Shape Of Thing
tribal sorrel
i think it's better but you're definitely overcomplicating it
though i wouldnt have known that till now
veeeeeeeeery simple parted hair
autumn trellis
normally theres more lines but none of the lines are particularly important
tribal sorrel
it gets more involved as the strands part at the bottom but overall the bangs can be super duper simplified
i would
at MOST
split up the frontmost- do you know how like
figures and nendoroids are constructed
where they separate hte bangs from the rest of the hair
autumn trellis
i am not familiar
tribal sorrel
i think you can do something like htat, where the frontmost bangs are "separate" and the rest are simplified
autumn trellis
so like. just One set of lines?
autumn trellis
okay so its like. only one hair strand is fully detailed with lines all the way and then the rest use the little triangle thing to imply them
tribal sorrel
these drawings are probably the absolute most level of detail you need
you dont really need to have many lines going down, usually i represent htat with dithering like tifa's
with aerith's hair, i try to avoid a lot of individual hair strand detail
and instead break up big chunks with a SUPER low contrast but still visible part
i did this for the back of the head, but mind that aerith's hair is also being pulled into the braid which sort of justifies the extra detail. i dont need it, it fills up the blank space, but it's still very low contrast
but i did this dithering for tifa's hair to imply the texture of the hair lines without actually showing htem. tifa's hair is like, DARK, so it makes the effect work, but i think you could do something similar, mixing this with azusa style hair
autumn trellis
annoyingly, there arent very many shades of the blue im using. i might have to try incorporating different blues
although i do need it to all stay in recolor range
autumn trellis
well ive just been trusting that navy will pull through for me. although i havent checked yet, i should do that- also big fan!! the bright pink is great
yeah the hair and uniform are all changecolor using navy
tribal sorrel
i'd recommend working in green
wraith trellis
autumn trellis
cardinal directions after trying to incorporate mits advice
im not sure if ill keep the middle triangle things where they are: theres two on the A3 on the basis that the ones on the front and back are surely different. but when im doing the diagonals i might instead make it that theres only ever one of them per frame and have it not actually be in a single spot in 3d space
autumn trellis
wake up
wallet gif
wraith trellis
autumn trellis
shoutouts to bottom left
autumn trellis
lua script to mandatorily apply trans pride flag follower to cloud
tribal sorrel
i feel bad keeping track of this LOL because im not so prudish that i would disagree that like mario or cloud count as girls but i feel like it would be disingenuous of me to consider characters who in canon are implied cis/straight/non-queer but are popularly queer/trans in fandom
autumn trellis
thats fair
come to think of it, looking at the followers: is jenova female? besides them theres sephiroth/guy who says cloud and the two aeriths, so the followers are presumably either 50/50 or a higher girl ratio
tribal sorrel
jenova is girl coded so she counts
but i havent really considered the uh
the followers into the ratio
autumn trellis
oh yeah i was just wondering if the followers have their own ratio
tribal sorrel
i feel fucked up how much i sorta gave up on followers
i made all the ones i really wanted to make and now i dont gaf
wraith trellis
im gonna have to force myself so hard to make fuwatti and star platinum
tribal sorrel
if you build off the old star plat sprites it should be pretty easycore
wraith trellis
i was thinking of making him chibi
autumn trellis
doing tsumugis dress for as simple as it is has made me go "hrm. maybe i should be setting a closer finish line for myself" because right now i have a million guys and followers planned
im concious of the fact that i probably wont play this videogame myself to really Need a million guys
but i definitely want to go as far as i can
autumn trellis
thats Kind Of what im doing rn. i have a massive list with the expectation that i wont Actually do all of them
autumn trellis
i saw this some ten seconds ago in kart krew lol
wraith trellis
good
autumn trellis
maybe im off base/maybe its the shading not being there yet but i feel like his forearms and wrists are a little thin
ripe lance
it could be foreshortening right
autumn trellis
ao onis body in the other sprites has this striking sense that its like. made of clay
wraith trellis
yeah thats because i made him look like his weird geometrical ass sprites
but thats not really gonna uh. work for this
autumn trellis
oh yeah im saying thats a good thing i assumed it was intentional
wraith trellis
autumn trellis
what does the original dance gif look like again?
wraith trellis
kind of bad
autumn trellis
the original ao oni one not the original original
i know but just so i can see how the wrists are positioned
wraith trellis
autumn trellis
i think you could widen the forearm slightly if the wrists are facing a little bit towards the camera. but if the dance is Very Particular about them being off to the side then that wouldnt work
okay looking at both this and actual carrmeldansen i think the wrists actually face a lot towards the camera
okay so like
as a silhouette, i would read this hand as having the fingers point away from him. and thats why the wrist curves that way, but also has the effect of making it look small
as opposed to like
the finger placement isnt actually like "this is where fingers go!" because im not a practiced artist and am making no attempt at hands. its just to indicate which direction the fist is rotated
i guess another way to phrase it is like. the biceps are larger than the forearms here, which is how human anatomy works. but i think its a little Too much in this instance, compared to the claylike ao oni that downplays it
im getting into very "I Mean Maybe This Would Work" teritory here, but i think if you shade it to make it clear that the arms are tilted towards the camera, you could convey the poses while keeping the larger arms of the other sprites
wraith trellis
Why are there a bunch of freaks in the ring racers server now
ripe lance
it's just one
wraith trellis
Yesterday or the day before there was that guy who was extremely butthurt that people voted for aaron to do jack-o from guilty gear instead of king k rool or Kermit
autumn trellis
im just curious what the thief and the cobbler is
ripe lance
if i'm not mistaken the guy you're talking about also gets freaked out whenever someone does/is doing another track inspired by the same sonic level that they did
autumn trellis
i dont think this is, like, an epidemic spreading across kart krew, but i wonder if theres any correlation with ring racers' general vibe
it was my impression that ring racers had something of a "why dont kart racers just make better design decisions" approach. and broadly i think they were correct about their decisions, but i wonder if theres a relation between that and people taking a similar approach to sprites
does that make any sense? im not sure if it makes any sense but like
envision the train of thought of saying "okay, let's take the blue shell, but now you can outrun it, but you lose your safety net of rings, and the super horn stays, but you have to roll it beforehand, and the blue shell drops speed boosts for second place now, and its power is dependent on how long you outrun it for." its layering on a lot of extra things in an attempt to fine tune the correct outcome
i dont want to boil it down to "being pretentious" because i think kart krew were Right about the SPB. but like. can you see a venn diagram there? i feel like i can see a venn diagram there but i might be insane
wraith trellis
Kind of
autumn trellis
i think im pretty confident that these thought processes are Somewhat Similar but im a lot less confident in "this game naturally attracts players of a similar mindset" because like. why would it
wraith trellis
I think it's just two weirdly entitled users
With fan content sometimes there's people who are just weirdly fucking controlling on something being made by someone else
autumn trellis
yeah i guess what im trying to get at is a broader sense of "with fan content sometimes"
in my head this is kind of like "the sonic fangame vibe" but i dont want to say that because theres like a 75% chance i immediately get owned by proof that barely any sonic games ever are like that
tribal sorrel
im just curious what the thief and the cobbler is
tguef abd the cobbler is a richard williams movie that was notoriously in development hell and as it turns out even what wou;dve been teh fully finished film sucked
because he got so absorbed in overanimating everything that it completely ignored the quality of the story and being an actually enjoyable film to wathc
it got released in an unfinished form by my only experience with it is the recut made using salvaged pieces of the film that were cut and previously lost
in a theatre
autumn trellis
oh when i looked it up a little bit ago i was like "what is this reminding me of...?" and only now am i going "ohhh right lara su chronicles"
tribal sorrel
LOL
ripe lance
that's an insane thing to say
tribal sorrel
kart krew has always had annoying kids like this im positive kirby mania is like 12 or something
or maybe hes 17 and i just forgot
ive seen his type plenty of times he doesnt mean poorly he just shouldnt be here or online
anyway, bullet
autumn trellis
god the effect on his hair is striking
hell have a lot of time to maintain his hair while hes hanging out in ratio purgatory
tribal sorrel
depending on your philosophy he is more finished than cloud because i accidentally made his a8 while drawing with the canvas flipped
autumn trellis
i think its a question of commitment
i started typing out a lengthy response but im realizing its not as funny as being cryptic
wraith trellis
i wanna ping marb for this but i dont think they gaf abotu ring racers
wraith trellis
I HATE HIGHLIGHTS!!!
i wonder if it'd make more sense to only have it at the elbows because thats wahts closest to the camera
autumn trellis
well when the hands flap downward the light would be on top of them right?
so i think it makes sense to have some small amount of highlight on the one where they're higher up. because they're already tilting Slightly forward
but maybe more along the top and less along the sides ?
wait i didnt notice its not symmetrical oops
wraith trellis
autumn trellis
me playing an embarassingly long game of screenshot at the right time so i can see the right frame
i see what you mean here but this feels jarring to me in motion
its not as noticable on the other hand but that might just be me
(removed old version)
okay now its moving i can see the shading moves weirdly on the a4 to a5 one sec
(removed another version lol)
oh wait this is fast
tribal sorrel
ripe lance
whoa
wraith trellis
Wait till you see me on my kart
Are you gonna use I've got a few tricks
The fucking begine9 guy showing up as soon as I indirectly make fun of people being weird in chat
Oohhhh my god
tribal sorrel
Are you gonna use I've got a few tricks
idk cus i dont use that voice line
wraith trellis
autumn trellis
the most recent thing on 1.0 in the entire RR category was approved last friday
autumn trellis
oh you can just sort by submission date. so i know the actual most recent thing was. well okay im not actually sure if thats the "time of approval" or "time of upload" but it is indeed last friday
wraith trellis
Whats the time threshold until you can contact mods for your submission taking too long
ripe lance
a week
wraith trellis
Tomorrow will be the 1 week anniversary since the new submission
autumn trellis
is it Legally one week? whats the source on that
i thought people just sort of decided that was a reasonable timeframe
ripe lance
is it Legally one week? whats the source on that
guidelines post
wraith trellis
i see what you mean here but this feels jarring to me in motion
wdym
autumn trellis
uh. when i typed that i meant "i can vaguely make out that there's a line that's disappearing between frames and it feels strange." but now im looking at it and it feels less strange
i dont think itd be made Worse if you added the full outline but i guess i dont feel as strongly on it now
autumn trellis
god the bouncing hips are like. that effect is too believable. more unnerving then the intentional horror game sprites
wraith trellis
i dont know how to add highlights to the stomach without it looking weird
but i fixed the literal 1 pixel mistake
@tribal sorrel sorry to ping but do you know if theres a way i could add highlights to the stomach
tribal sorrel
more shadow
raise the shadow up to follow the curve of his stomach
now the regular color becomes a highlight
tribal sorrel
you dont need the darker color
legs get no highlight
altho i see how the shadow is meant ti make them look bent
wraith trellis
im so fixated on this bc i added a lot of highlights to the body originally to recreate that sort of hyper blended look of the og sprites
tribal sorrel
do you mean like this
ya
uou can prob round out the stomach more with the highlight u have
id say rather than make the belly brighter use an inbetween color to smooth it out
wraith trellis
autumn trellis
ripe lance
me looking at my internet
autumn trellis
me hoping anyone would care about the follower select animations
wraith trellis
ripe lance
what even is this
wraith trellis
the anime
its prob more accurate if i make him a shade brighter
@tribal sorrel for ao oni i used your layer organizing strat and im wondering how you translate that onto a spritesheet
tribal sorrel
file export sprite sheet copy paste
wraith trellis
right but what about everything being overlaid on top of each other because its all within the same frameset just on different layers
do you just manually flatten everything and place it on a new frame
ripe lance
kinda worried I made this too big but I scaled it identically to the cool cool mountain slide so we'll see
wraith trellis
what characters in the ring racers roster are high schoolers
heres the 4 main characters that ao oni chases after that i want to represent as rivals
tribal sorrel
cream
wraith trellis
the white hair guy is the protagonist and hes an aloof nerd, the blonde guy is cowardly, the red hair guy is assertive, and the girl is stubborn and in a relationship with the red hair guy
anyone got any ideas
ripe lance
maybe sakura
tribal sorrel
or kids
wraith trellis
either the joke is just all high schoolers or its just characters that match the personalities of the characters the closest
tribal sorrel
every character in sonic is a highschooler
i dont think the joke would parse really
wraith trellis
fuck
ripe lance
every character in sonic is a highschooler
um
i get what you mean but they're also abstract enough to be plausibly interpreted as not
tribal sorrel
crazy this is ur pfp i was showing this img to a friend earleir today
ripe lance
thanks mit drew it
wraith trellis
tribal sorrel
i dont think its worth trying to pluck highschoolers out of sonic unless the bit was theyre just younger kids
hence cream
wraith trellis
ok so what about just representing the main cast
ripe lance
there's several non sonic characters in this game and two I can think of are high schoolers
granted one's a robot and one's from the 1940s
tribal sorrel
surge is a stubborn girl to put it bluntly
wraith trellis
would tails be good for the blonde guy
my gut idea was silver for the white hair guy and tails for the blonde guy
ripe lance
would tails be good for the blonde guy
sure
tribal sorrel
yea probably
autumn trellis
i think aigis sakura arle make sense if you just want "high school characters"
but i like the idea of matching to specific characters better
tribal sorrel
is this a call to play
tribal sorrel
i can play in like 30 min
wraith trellis
autumn trellis
i could hop in for like one or two races but i couldnt stay long term tonigh
what did you do for voice lines, by the way? did you end up going with hanged man or did you find another source with more lines
wraith trellis
nope i went with hanged man
i used a modified version of a scream used in the game for his hurt sounds
i pitched it down and put a filter over it to make it osund fucked up
autumn trellis
cool
tsumugis not gonna be ready in time for the few games i can do tonight but heres diavolo
also wow something got under my w key and now every so often it doesnt work. thats very annoying ill have to see if i can find my cleaner thing
wraith trellis
same is happening to me w/ my D key
tough bluff
Instead of fucking mapping I'm having a stupid hyperfixation on fucking animatronic fumos 😭
wraith trellis
wraith trellis
Instead of fucking mapping I'm having a stupid hyperfixation on fucking animatro...
is this a remake of that one rainbow road track from srb2k
wraith trellis
ah i see the music just made me wonder if it was
ripe lance
the dude who made that is making tracks for ring racers
tough bluff
Yeah logan
ripe lance
this looks really good
tough bluff
Modded
wraith trellis
yeah its v impressive
ripe lance
Yeah logan
i was thinking of fayt
tough bluff
Fyat made super rainbow road
ripe lance
yeah
tough bluff
Logan made omega rainbow road
ripe lance
this looks closer to that than omega rainbow road
ripe lance
sigma rainbow road
tough bluff
autumn trellis
tsumugis not gonna be ready in time for the few games i can do tonight but heres...
if you could add this
tribal sorrel
what else am i missing
wraith trellis
did you get mine
autumn trellis
not to my knowledge
tribal sorrel
alright gimme a second then
autumn trellis
i have a few horns i wanna add too so at some point ill have another update
tribal sorrel
servers up
wraith trellis
alright ill join in a second
ripe lance
tribal sorrel
ripe lance
yea
autumn trellis
i will say that from slightly before smg brought up the point about using it for ao oni i watched a video of htfh that included the hanged man super and ive started going shine to myself when i attack people in games because i think its very funny
wraith trellis
It's a really good voice clip
So do I just like
Use the limiter and that's it
Or do I still have to actually increase the volume
autumn trellis
if you use the limiter with the correct settings it should be fine on its own
but if you're not content you can use amplify. but as far as i can tell its like, its much more common to underestimate than overestimate volume, so only use amplifier if you Really really think it didnt work
i think the limiter settings are the default and also it stays the same every time you reopen it
im really surprised you have so many horns and you havent been using the limiter ?
autumn trellis
huh. well its definitely a noticable effect when it works properly
can i see the menu when you open it
or alternatively ill get mine
for reference these are the settings
autumn trellis
no looks fine
wow ao onis lose sound is really long lol
no one here minds if i spoil danganronpa right
wraith trellis
nope
wraith trellis
wow ao onis lose sound is really long lol
its originally 18 seconds
i had to trim it
autumn trellis
finding voice lines for this character is gonna be so annoying because shes the final boss of her game but she spends all game pretending she isnt so shes gonna have a million voice lines to sift through but 90% of them are gonna be about how passive she is because thats her Thing for most of the game
and then when she says "im actually a bad guy!" she then spends half of That screen time talking in other characters voices
she wouldve made a good ironman character but you. like. it feels kind of stupid that you can make an ironman character without lua, but you cant Really otherwise they get a big PROPERTY OF HEAVY MAGICIAN box over them
its not stupid because im sure thats just how it works but it Feels stupid
autumn trellis
autumn trellis
nevermind it was easy
going rest in peace :( for a hitconfirm is a bit i really like
autumn trellis
oh hey heres the screenshot of us all pink
autumn trellis
shes done
wraith trellis
autumn trellis
i literally just woke up and was considering sending wallet gif
wraith trellis
how do you ask about your submission not being reviewed without sounding impatient
now that its been a week and One day
ripe lance
apparently that's just been every single add-on submitted a week ago
autumn trellis
well the guidelines say to do this
i figure just say things like "as per the guidelines suggestions,"
ripe lance
not that I can check but like
autumn trellis
i noticed last night that the site was down. i checked Is This Site Down and everything and yeah it was
its up now of course but
wraith trellis
wraith trellis
my post asking whats taking so long doesnt have any views after 39 minutes
i need a version of this gif but he turns into a skeleton at the end
autumn trellis
normally id be like "zero views in 39 minutes really does not seem surprising" but given your actual post has something like 125 views while Not Being Public that actually is surprising
also is the character not actually Named ao oni?
wraith trellis
i asked daily ao oni and they said its interchangeable
i went with "The Oni" to make him sound more imposing
im listening to this rn while im waiting for someone to respond and i think its like
genuinely terrible for my mental health
autumn trellis
wtf this is awesome
wraith trellis
i cant tell if im getting a headache from the weather or from listening to this and getting subconsciously more angry
autumn trellis
ive had like. no music to listen to the past few days. i ran out of jojos themes and looking back through my likes is only giving me mecha stuff im not in the mood for
ive had to resort to. like.
autumn trellis
it drives me fucking INSANE that some charged characters have two different themes for different animations and near every youtube video insists on awkwardly fading between them
ill take it @ video
wraith trellis
cool signpost
fuck whats diavolos death sprite a reference to
is it when he gets hit by the car
autumn trellis
its anime only apparently? its the freeze frame of after GERs last punch
wraith trellis
its good
autumn trellis
god after im well and truly done and wrapping everything up and the soc glitch is fixed ive been toying with the idea of making an English Dub Version
partially so you guys can know what the mecha characters are saying but partially because i wanna use dub diavolo so bad
i think my new plan right now is to do unrelated followers while i wait to know what kind of proportions you want to give stands. i want to do a few marios and a few pokemon
im undecided if i want to do one more non-mecha character before i wrap up all the robots ive not done yet
autumn trellis
after throwing it into jspaint to check i think it would capture the facial expression better if you removed each pixel of eyeshine closest to the center
wraith trellis
i love noticing like a billion things to fix after i alraedy made a post asking how it looks
autumn trellis
like
wraith trellis
autumn trellis
i also brightened the pupil because i figure its supposed to be like a. "horror monster whose eyes you see out of the darkness-" yea
does this creature exist from any other angle?
autumn trellis
intuitively i feel like the dithering in the bottom corners extends too far to the edges. but maybe thats just what fuwatti looks like
okay the legs arent Cubes is what i was wondering
autumn trellis
i think like. in the process of dithering youve also turned the upward curve into a downward curve
wraith trellis
autumn trellis
try raising the edges, maybe?
wraith trellis
do you mean like this
i feel like im kind of rendering the entire thing a litle wrong
but its hard to make itl ook good because hes a fleshly looking cube
autumn trellis
i did mean like that but now im less confident in my suggestion
autumn trellis
okay so what im thinking right now is like
the legs arent actually flat from the front. you can see they move inwards
actually nvm i was gonna suggest shading to represent that but that would make it look like knees which you dont want
wraith trellis
man every time i come back to the sprite i realize he should probably be a little paler
wraith trellis
is this too big btw for a follower
i know they can technically be any size im just wondering
ripe lance
try it ingame
autumn trellis
did some simple followers today to wind down while bumping my "followers i actually want to use" count a little
i am shocked at how theres like. not a good orange-to-yellow for this. i had to use sunslam and throw in the reds too which means i had to make a couple weird color concessions
navy has no problems though. navy always has your back
tribal sorrel
ketchup?
autumn trellis
actually it turned out i was using ketchup and forgot. so when i imported with sunslam as the default it looked wrong and i went "oh i was using ketchup all along"
autumn trellis
asking this here too
tribal sorrel
girl ur thinking so hard about this you can just use my mario category and its ok
autumn trellis
i did ask about that separately because i want to know if i can ask smg to share a jojo category
i didnt get an answer so im inclined to test it myself when i have time
wraith trellis
try it ingame
this is a fucking lot to take in
ripe lance
yea, sorry
wraith trellis
what are some basic settings to get a grounded still frame follower to test things out
ripe lance
the console I can give you is you can actually just ignore all of that
the default settings are good enough
ripe lance
what are some basic settings to get a grounded still frame follower to test thin...
set mode to ground
set bob amp to 0
that's it
wraith trellis
how do you control what category its in
ripe lance
set its category
ripe lance
it's set to end up in fanworks by default
to checkc ategroy names
you activate extra info mode in the css
which you do by pressing the drift button
wraith trellis
this is unrelated but how do you only see modded characters on the css
ripe lance
this is unrelated but how do you only see modded characters on the css
you don't
but to only see characters which overlap others you press the item button
semantics, I know
tough bluff
pretty reshade
wraith trellis
Crazy ass light show
This looks like it's from a game with a much higher graphical fidelity
Really nice work
ripe lance
the quarter tube here is like jankily steep
it's too few polygons for such a steep quarter pipe but like it works
perfect spot for ring capsules
ripe lance
it's too few polygons for such a steep quarter pipe but like it works
i'm not interested in adding more for that matter
this took an hour to make
autumn trellis
autumn trellis
pretty reshade
also i agree this looks incredible
autumn trellis
why are the two gifs not the same speed im sure i took the exact same ome
autumn trellis
you open the Single Frame Symmetrical Rotation followermaker template and you're just. at peace
autumn trellis
wallet gif, but also it seems like you cant sort by "most recently Approved"
which kind of sucks. but: approvals are Moving again, say several people in kart krew
wraith trellis
i saw the same in the morning
autumn trellis
so @ smg i dont know what your plans are regarding updates, but if you dont have any specific plan id recommend updating to add ao oni as soon as it goes live, so it moves to the top like it should
(im not sure if it lets you update Before it goes live, but uh, dont)
autumn trellis
wow what the fuck its not even on the first page of new stuff. its at the start of page 2 thats how long the waits been
APPLAUSE APPLAUSE
wraith trellis
how do you normally format the update
wraith trellis
like do you just edit the post itself or do you use the actaul update feature
autumn trellis
like, the update Message, or how the- okay so hang on i gave an explanation of this to someone else already
wraith trellis
wheres the release new version button
autumn trellis
you click "post an update" and then its a new menu that lets you also do that
Update and New Version are simultaneous but Edit Post comes before or after
although if you really wanted you could like. have them on two separate tabs, prep both, and tab between them to do them at the same time
generally i would say edit post before post update, but because your pack is brand new id say hurry the update out first
wraith trellis
ok ok so like
i use the update resources, post the update about how ao oni is part of the pack, adn then edit the OG post to also include ao oni
is that correct
autumn trellis
the resources and update posting happen simultaneously. but yes
the reason id Normally say "edit first" is because the update is what gives the visibility bump, and you dont want those people to click and see nothing new. but your post just got the visiblity bump of Being New (even if its less than it should be) so you want the update first
granted this is all in the span of like. maybe five minutes worth of people anyways. but you may as well optimize the order
OH AND ALSO
you might already know this, but when you update resources, it completely replaces the old resources
so, posting SMGpack version 2 will delete SMGpack version 1. which is what you want, and is almost certainly what youd do naturally anyway, but like. if you were to post something standalone, youd need to post all the other files again, or theyd all be replaced
(which also means like. if you post non-lua colors and forget the lua colors, when you realize and go to add it, you need to put Both with the "add resources" button. else the lua would replacee the non-lua)
iconic
tribal sorrel
wait question about the grid
are the checkerboards like
useless
they could be 3x3 each and then u could more easily grip what their stats are from a glance
autumn trellis
god theres like no clean place to put this but you could do a stand stats esque thing given the traits that derive from the 2 stats
wraith trellis
useless
yea
i do want to make it look uh
cleaner later on
i basically just rushed these promo gifs because i thought the mb would accept my shit quicker
which they have not
autumn trellis
i was gonna say "by the way, editing the resource icon is a different button from the rest, so you might want to-" and then i refreshed and ao oni Appeared before my eyes
wraith trellis
autumn trellis
but yeah congratulations!! applause!!
one other thing i notice thats making me rethink things is that you didnt put anything in spoilers
i assumed it was like. Sitewide Policy to put anything even slightly long in spoilers. but im being prompted to realize that ive seen a lot of mods where thats not the case
my whole pack has too many disparate gifs. ive gotta condense
wraith trellis
lol
the first comment on the submissions page is someone asking for individual releases
tribal sorrel
kill them
wraith trellis
you know
i erally really badly want to say
"you know its really easy to just open slade and manually remove the characters you dont want"
tribal sorrel
dont teach them that
wraith trellis
right exactly
tribal sorrel
they must accept all your characters and fuck off about it
autumn trellis
this is the same person who made that same request of me
autumn trellis
to which i said "maybe when its all over." which is vague enough that i can just silently go "no" now that ive fully changed my mind and do not want to do that
TWO people asking that??? your packs been out like 10 minutes???
ripe lance
i see
wraith trellis
can you ask them what they're looking for when they ask for squatto
like, do they want a follower or something
autumn trellis
you're braver than i am for saying your plans out loud
wraith trellis
honestly i think squatto could be a pretty funny follower regardless
just have him floating around doing that squat gif
autumn trellis
also HANG ON HOW HAVE I NOT SEEN THSI GUY
OR ANY OF HTEM FOR THAT MATTER. i read ao onis tvtropes page a little while ago and i saw no mention of any of the oni-adjacent creatures except Maybe fuwatti
wraith trellis
they're really funny and basically none of them show up or do anything important except for squatto and fuwatti
autumn trellis
youre tellin me None of these guys can circumvent the jail bars one way or another
wraith trellis
btw i was completely talking out of my ass there
no intention to do geese howard ever
idgaf about that man
autumn trellis
yea naturally lmao
wraith trellis
the only reason iw as nice to that guy was because i literally got them into ring racers when they saw my wip jotaro
and he was really nice about it
autumn trellis
thats fair
autumn trellis
Also also: i get you probably wouldnt want to go and change it now but i think youd have been fine to use modded spy. its like a cross promotion thing. in my mind you can do 1 modded char (outside your own pack) per character and have it be fine
also the speed at which downloads come in is INSANE
wraith trellis
wait
i know the gif to use for this scenario
its one that everyone in this server keeps referencing for some reason
autumn trellis
lol?? @ joypolis evil
autumn trellis
by "everyone" do you mean "me, all of two times" hfkjdsjkfls
wraith trellis
marb also said it was the smg gif
autumn trellis
i dont know that its THE smg gif but its up there
wraith trellis
what do you think is THE smg gif
autumn trellis
hmm. i cant think of any particular contenders but im just not convinced this is it
i guess you did literally make the ominous mario fading in but you havent used it that much
autumn trellis
meanwhile in overwhelming simplicity
wraith trellis
what is this from
autumn trellis
you dont know???????????????
this is a pokemon!
as was cosmog but surely you knew cosmog
wraith trellis
sorry i only know about a very specific amount of pokemon that would drive the average fan insane
autumn trellis
this is minior. who i was gonna do rotations for but then i noticed the little flake things would have to be consistent and i said Actually, No hfkjlsdhfkls
it was really funny to me when i reached the point in my life where i no longer knew evey pokemon. because i couldnt be bothered to learn about legends arceus
tribal sorrel
thats like hte one good pokemon game
autumn trellis
i dont doubt its gameplay but Ancient + Sinnoh is like the x and y coordinates of "aesthetics in pokemon i dont really care for"
ripe lance
i get why people liked sun and moon but i found it rlly boring
i beat it and all but it was like playing putt putt goes to the park or something
wraith trellis
to me sun and moon are still games that came out last year
ripe lance
that's dire
autumn trellis
lmao
i havent played scarlet and violet and i dont think i will even though i probably would if i had infinite time
autumn trellis
right now im just doing small floating guys. if i were stronger i would do xurkitree follower but i dont think im confident enough for that as a Little Side Project
"geargrape" is cool
wraith trellis
i broke 100 downloads already
tribal sorrel
pla is swag i love running around throwing rocks at things
autumn trellis
that is a good pitch
the new zygarde one is (at least slightly newer?) and also In Kalos so ill almost certainly be about that one
autumn trellis
also the speed at which downloads come in is INSANE
yeah thats what im saying. downloads come in FAST
i only have the one pack so i want to be careful with it but if i were comfortable with experimenting id release every little thing as a new update to see what happens. because so far after every single update theres been a pretty big bump - it falls off, of course, but a lot less than id have thought
tough bluff
Why didn't you use prnt/screen record 😭
autumn trellis
the shading on the forehead and cheeks looks so calculated
or. thats not the word but i feel like "intentional" is too vague. but i suppose its more accurate
i wanted to start my first fire emblem character but it turns out i deleted my means of getting reference images a while ago so im doing one more follower while i redownload it
wraith trellis
the shading on the forehead and cheeks looks so calculated
Thanks
Problem is I have no idea how to shade the lower face when I do it like this lol
autumn trellis
okay so. alright before i say this i guess i should like. every time i give a suggestion im like "i know im not as cool and good at spriting and also that im not as familiar with these characters", because i dont want to be annoying about it, but i also feel like getting repetitive with it will also be annoying. so id like if i could just Imply Humility and that im Just Throwing Out Ideas from this point forth
that said; i feel like not shading it any further gives it a clean look? looking up pictures of kiryu, id sooner think to slightly widen his goatee with anti alias
tribal sorrel
use more inbetween shades and imply subtler curves
his cheekbones are kinda soft but no less prominent so defining the planes of his cheeks separate from the front of his face/his cheekbones would be good
could probably also get more of the eccentricities of his browline
autumn trellis
here we go
wraith trellis
About to reach 2000 Twitter likes... Heh heh heh.
autumn trellis
oh wait last night i was like "right i need to review smgpack" and then forgot and then morning i went "i just remembered i need to review smgpack" and then i forgot
now i will Not forget
autumn trellis
i shouldnt have made diavolo. because now fuckin gold experience reqiuem is standing over my switch emulator going you will never reach the truth while im just trying to get reference photo angles of a character
wraith trellis
which one
autumn trellis
this is not my favorite FE character but infuriatingly my favorite is only in the gacha game as a seasonal version. so unless i want him to only talk about how halloween is his favorite thing i dont think i can do him
but more importantly the comedy of errors here is insane. the mods keep conflicting so i have to install Several of them and not one but Two mod manager things but wuh oh they wont tell you whether or not to unzip these zip files and also ive held onto my yuzu even after its shutdown but it doesnt repay me. yuzu does wrong by me. so now i have to move to ryujinx and do all that again and once i finally do it, my game literally slows down to the point of freezing as i walk the ten steps to the clothing change guy
and i have to do all this because, stupidly, the one outfit your character refuses to wear in photo mode is Their Default Gameplay one. so i have to get mods to fix that
also im just now registering that you meant which switch emulator not which character lol
wraith trellis
im palying fortnite rn so i cant actually make this look nice but
ripe lance
he's really upset
wraith trellis
yeah thats what his scowl looks like
autumn trellis
fuck you fire emblem engage!! ive beaten your sick twisted game!! theres no force on earth that will prevent me from letting the little british kid wear his hat
autumn trellis
okay hi i know this is really late but
this doesnt seem to actually be fixed?
it didnt work with one of my previous characters so i thought i just messed up the files. but i tested it with a blank character just now to make sure i didnt make the same mistake and the wheelshine doesnt work
ripe lance
bleh
autumn trellis
i figure mit just sent the wrong properties file or something. being an otherwise blank slate, i could go fix it myself, but first id like to ask if anyone has the actual fixed one - i assume mit does and its just not the one that was sent
tribal sorrel
my bad
ripe lance
tribal sorrel
@autumn trellis
autumn trellis
awesome ty
ripe lance
this is one of my favorite custom tracks of all time
autumn trellis
just checked to make sure and that is indeed the fixed properties file
ive not heard of golden capital
ripe lance
same track pack as casino night
autumn trellis
im having trouble commiting to these eyes. i feel like i really struggle to get the correct Vibe across while also maintaining any amount of what they're actually supposed to look like
what do you think? are some of these closer than others or am i on the wrong track entirely
autumn trellis
oh ive tried adding that too but i figured it would be easier to get a handle of it first and then add the highlight if it worked
it Does help some of them
(he does also have a highlight up top but its smaller and id remove it if i needed)
tribal sorrel
jere is my take
autumn trellis
nods. i definitely think i should commit to cheating the eyes over the hair to give me more space
"single wide pupil next to the eyelid" did it. im happy with this
ty !!
wraith trellis
fuckin around
autumn trellis
smg after completing his "how do i portray kiryus shirt collar" arc
wraith trellis
thats no longer a concern to me.
you might notice no feet thats bc i dont feel like drawing them rn
autumn trellis
really really happy with this hair. starting to feel less at odds with the ring racers artstyle
why does this feel like two steps away from dollar store jotaro
wraith trellis
the hair is rly good
im not too confident w/ kiryu's shading rn but im mostly just doign this to get the idea down
anyone have any insights
ripe lance
kiryu's mouth reads too much like a macaroni frown
autumn trellis
are the folds on the sleeves that extreme?
tribal sorrel
i think ur AAing more than u need to
he feels a lil mushy overall and it feels like ur less confident with ur color blocking so ur smoothening out some finer details
i think kiryu is gonna be a level up for u if ur looking to get him at least a little realistic
wraith trellis
thats true i do feel like its soft in a way i dont like
he looks a little like an srb2k mod and not in a good way
tribal sorrel
i dont think i have aby more advice that wiuldnt be given better by the draw over i did
ripe lance
it looks like he's blepping
ripe lance
yra
tribal sorrel
this face is good
i think you can still get his mouth a little better but this is good
wraith trellis
yeah
do you have any ideas as to how
hes got like a very slight frown basically all the time
wraith trellis
trying to redo the body a little while im at it
i think its kind of lacking the iconic Ring Racers Contrast™️
the suit collar is also erally difficult to make look nice
do you think it'd be a good idea to dither the shading on the suit a little to convey the texture of it
tribal sorrel
thats what i would've done for orpheus but it would've been where i had more space
wraith trellis
i kind of like how it looks on the lower part of the suit but idk abt the top
i feel like doing ao oni has sucked out all my artistic ability
wraith trellis
ripe lance
kart krew chat popped off with ur kiryu
i like kiryu having more realistic proportions than just being chibi like he was in srb2kart
wraith trellis
yeah im not really big on the old kiryu
ripe lance
okay i want to ask ahead of time
particularly since his color scheme is like simple
what's his spray can going to be
or rather what is going to be recolorable from him
wraith trellis
i wanna make him two tone