unless you're a tree
#Kirby
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prime leaf
whispy woods is not a gimmick lol
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or cloud strife
prime leaf
is kracko like the other boss that appears in almost every game
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correct
prime leaf
i realized the games i started out with being FL and RTDLDX dont have kracko lol
but yeah they arent gimmicks and dont have magic
for me anyway
it's just, well here we go again
as like tradition or something
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not sure if this counts as a meme but here's something in relation to the current discussion
prime leaf
it's okay
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prime leaf
related memes to the convo are okay
LOL
but yeah whispy just feels like bowser at this point
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you can't deny the evil tree
only game he didn't really appear in any form was Squeak Squad (not counting other spin offs)
meanwhile Kracko only really missed a few
prime leaf
Yeah squeak squad is only in title screen but not in the game
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so true
prime leaf
not having whispy does feel wrong tho because it's the Tradition™️
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even then it's copied from NIDL so it doesn't really count as an appearance
prime leaf
lmao
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not having whispy does feel wrong tho because it's the Tradition™️
tbh the devs weren't really following tradition for the two games they did when helping HAL
anyway since you can't play TDX or PR you'll never get to see the best versions of Whispy (& Kracko)
prime leaf
yep
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(unless you look up online)
prime leaf
i had a 3ds but kirby wasnt even in my consciousness
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(but that's cheeeeeeeaaatiinngggg)
every main game has at least some iteration of an oldie but a goodie two shoes
if you haven't noticed
(HAL loves to do that)
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every main game has at least some iteration of an oldie but a goodie two shoes
in fact here's a list of it
- Adventure/NIDL: 3 (Whispy, Kracko & Dedede)
- DL2: half of the game consist of returning or very similar fights to past ones/4 (Whispy, Mr Shine and Mr Bright, Kracko & King Dedede)
- SSU: 6 (Whispy, Lololo & Lalala, Kracko, King Dedede, Meta Knight & ||Kabula||)
- DL3: 4 (Whispy, Ado, King Dedede & Dark Matter)
- 64: 4 (Adeleine, King Dedede, Whispy & Acro)
- AM: 2 (Kracko & ||Meta Knight||)
- SQSQ: 4 (||King Dedede, Mrs Moley, Mecha Kracko & Meta Knight||)
- RTDLDX: 2 (Whispy & Galacta)
- TDX: 4 (Flowery Woods, Kracko,||Masked Dedede & Dark Meta Knight||)
- PR: 9 (Clanky Woods, ||Holo, Kabula, Mecha Knight, Dedede Clone, Dark Matter Clone, Sectonia Clone, Galacta Knight & Star Dream||)
- SA: 5 (Whispy, King Dedede, Meta Knight, Pon & Con & Kracko)
- FL: 4 (Tropic Woods, Meta Knight, King Dedede & Morpho)
(you can thank me later)
prime leaf
Oh yes
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and now i just finished revenge of meta knight, milky way wishes, and the arena
congrats
you did it
what do you have left?
prime leaf
I think besides kirby 64 and AM thats all mainline kirby games on NSO done
prime leaf
im okay with ending it on super star
cause super star is the best out of all the NSO games I played
prime leaf
oh yeah i know about the helmet less samus thing after a mission
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but they're in DL3 though
(still not better but at least they appeared on console)
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the eye in question
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Dark Matter deserves better
would be awesome if they truly returned
although teases of them appear throughout the series so...
not like they ever truly went away
but 64 was the last true appearance of them after all
btw
did you know that Dark Matter invaded Pokémon at one point?
oh and did you know that Gooey is a member of the matter family?
prime leaf
yeah i knew gooey is benevolent dark matter
prime leaf
did you know that Dark Matter invaded Pokémon at one point?
this one i didn't know however
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this one i didn't know however
comes from the Mystery Dungeon series
and outside of the name there are a few similarities
such as their possession over other beings
they are also said to be born from negative emotions which while not entirely stated for Kirby Dark Matter it is somewhat implied to be the case as a possible origin source
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they are also said to be born from negative emotions which while not entirely st...
oh and there's more to that
you know Void Termina right?
since you did play Star Allies right Sicily?
(btw this is now Kirby Lore discussion time)
prime leaf
Havent played SA yet
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otherwise I might've spoiled some surprises for you Sicily
until you play the game, then I could really tell you more about the in sights
and why Star Allies' english translation sucks
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unless... that doesn't bother you at all if I explained further now?
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well okay here's Void Termina
nothing too special so far
until you realize how there's a lot of connections with this potential dark god
and how there's a lot of history involving this very god
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until you realize how there's a lot of connections with this potential dark god
outside of being references
during the initial fight Void can summon copies of the Master Crown
which then shoot out these big laser beams that continue to fire around until their pattern is done
the very same laser attack used by the Master Crown in the Magolor Epilogue
if you played that mode by chance Sicily
anyway so
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oh and there's more to that
turns out in the original Japanese text for the second phase of the fight it reveals some sufficient info about this cosmic entity's involvement with certain matters
prime leaf
if you played that mode by chance Sicily
Well I did 100% RTDLDX so yes
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Well I did 100% RTDLDX so yes
yeah same attack
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turns out in the original Japanese text for the second phase of the fight it rev...
"When the matters of dream, dark, soul, and heart gather... and combine with chaos and infinite possibilities, the ancestor from the origin is born."
it's also stated that Void exists in all dimensions including Another Dimension which is implied to be where the Ancients first encountered this being of chaos
Sicily did you beat Magolor Soul in RTDLDX's True Arena or?
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Yes i did
did you ever notice the weird orb in the background of the fight
and how it had this moving texture to itself?
prime leaf
Oh yes
prime leaf
It didnt even click that that was void the first time
Neato!
I cant unsee it now too
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also here's one in sight
that place where we fight Magolor
is called Another Dimension - Bottom
prime leaf
Oooooo
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oh and Another Dimension
is sometimes referred in JPN as Another Sky
anyway back to Void
several descriptions state it as a being filled by negative emotions/feelings/aura
which comes back to how Dark Matter in Pokémon is created from
and a possible thread for this series version of the Matters work
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several descriptions state it as a being filled by negative emotions/feelings/au...
not just that
it's a being that will reflect based on either positive or negative experiences it can feel
and because Kirby is a positive influence
you can actually throw friend hearts (main mechanic of the game Star Allies that was created by an accident due to the Jamba Heart being broken into pieces because of Hyness)
at it's final form
and it will actually hurt and cause damage to Void
no other enemy in the game has this same reaction
prime leaf
Neato!
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oh and further descriptions for this final form and it's harder versions bring up references to things surrounding Kirby
such as the Spring Breeze
oh and if references aren't anything to say then here's something you might recognize
further adds to the fire doesn't it?
and if you want further parallels
what's the number that comes before 1?
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and what does a void mean?
prime leaf
Nothingness
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0 is also nothing
Zero is nothing, Void is nothing
oh and Void can mimic Kirby's face alongside the Matter
btw
you know how early I said that Void is a being of chaos?
who do you think else has the power to wield all that is Chaos?
if you played Forgotten Land then perhaps...
it rings a bell no?
prime leaf
Elfilis
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correct!
and there's more info surrounding Void
Void was defeated before long ago
and was sealed away by the 4 heroes of yore
using magical spears
the same magical spears are the ones shielding the Jamba Heart that Hyness - the main antagonist of Star Allies and leader of the The Mage Sisters broke free to summon Void Termina
but whom were these 4 heroes of yore...
well one of them is implied to be Galacta Knight
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well one of them is implied to be Galacta Knight
thanks to Super Kirby Clash...
fuuuunnnny I know
anyway Sicily
you should do your Kirby Lore homework now
prime leaf
i tried when i played those NSO kirby games lol
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i tried when i played those NSO kirby games lol
did you though?
also here's Shinya Kumazaki (the current father of Kirby)
this is from when he appeared at the GDC last year to discuss certain dev info about FL and RTDLDX
prime leaf
did you though?
i mean i did get to know more characters
animal friends, gooey, dark matter
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some research is fine to do even if you haven't particularly played a game yet
since...
not every detail is explained in the games themselves unfortunately
especially important info
and tracking down the info isn't easy to say the least
old Japanese interviews, websites that no longer are up, translations, Miiverse, etc
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but overall Kirby has a lot of worldbuilding and history to it
which is certainly interesting for a series like this
if it was just Dreamland and only focused on the few characters it did have + if it was just Sakurai
relatively it would be somewhat less interesting of a series if it didn't have that as a part of it
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btw
currently 22 different planets exist so far in the series
2 of them being from elsewhere
prime leaf
i thought kirby gets plushes historically
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i thought kirby gets plushes historically
hmm?
btw
will you ever play Star Allies?
(curious to know)
prime leaf
im not sure
im not in a rush to like buy and play it rn but i think i will later down the line
prime leaf
i clearly cant read!
prime leaf
Oral tradition
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although
may I suggest a trusted Kirby source for you?
It's one that I normally get Kirby info from
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yes Kirby gets more difficult in the post game
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ah yes
you have discovered the Kirby Cafe
its cafes are quite popular
also no
no a Waddle Dee doesn't sit next to you when you're on your own while there
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prime leaf
This is amazing
prime leaf
Yep it is
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Omfg is that supposed to be a waddle dee upside down
Pretty sure there used to be a Kirby variant too
ah here it is
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if you want to see most of the cafe items displayed on the menu in the past I suggest you go to this link
(Wikirby is a great source btw, this isn't advertising)
prime leaf
I use wikirby for plenty of stuff so I will!
prime leaf
Its like the same quality as super mario wiki but kirby
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it's better than that actually
no ads
I get behind why that site uses it but not Kirby
still better though
prime leaf
Oh i dont notice the ads on mario wiki cause i use ublock origin lol
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also it's easier to navigate
due to how Kirby is not a gazillion franchise like Mario is
prime leaf
Lol yeah
I do think that if kirby had more spinoff series, wikirby would be more like mariowiki
prime leaf
Well tbf mario kart is bigger than mainline nowadays
Thats the equivalent of air ride being bigger than mainline kirby
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<:ffriend:498221889559461900> but don't @ me @ the person below me
@topaz field I don't mind being pinged (true)
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Thats the equivalent of air ride being bigger than mainline kirby
the big reason why people still think of Air Ride is because of City Trial
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Well tbf mario kart is bigger than mainline nowadays
that's not useless...
and never was
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but I do prefer Wikirby over Mariowiki
no bias
Mariowiki is basically a big maze to navigate
prime leaf
that's not useless...
wym by useless spinoffs? like mario sports or the other characters getting their own series?
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Sports
prime leaf
the sports ones are fine to exist as a series but it went downhill for whatever reason
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guess Party could also count
But that series is mostly fun
and it’s the party series of gaming
Kirby spin-offs have usually always been whatever
Though there are exceptions
The way spin-offs work for Kirby
is that they are used as something to spend a bit of time into while waiting for the next major game in that series
example: SKC & KF2 filling the yearly gap between SA and FL
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you know I am curious Sicily
why exactly did you get into Kirby starting with FL?
(probably asked this before but it's nice to have a refresher every now and then)
prime leaf
it's the fresh new kirby game and it grabbed my attention
so i said might as well play
and thus began my journey
other kirby games didnt quite grab my attention as much as FL did
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first trailer was magical
and wild
so yeah
SA's was very goofy
I do hope combat gets expanded in the next 3D game though
want to see it resemble more of games like Bayonetta if stuff like dodging is now updated to be more effective in 3D
prime leaf
you just want Kirby to be DMC at this point lol
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maybe...
but Kirby was always more about combat than Mario could be
and FL is the next step in that
Super Star's expanded gameplay is what laid the groundwork for Smash to exist
so...
but Kirby shouldn't become a copycat
just inspiration like that could help
also stuff like what ME did with it's gameplay could be taken into account too
prime leaf
but Kirby was always more about combat than Mario could be
Kirby has always been an action platformer but one that is catered to beginners
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Kirby has always been an action platformer but one that is catered to beginners
well that could still be the case
after all losing identity would be bad right?
that or Kirby gains a new identity lol
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will be interesting to sea what the next game will be like though
harsh coyote
Pooyo
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which is???
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or I will stay with my already existing r/ one
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more than this thread can provide methinks
this thread is deader than a
deader
prime leaf
r/kirby is too big so this is a nice place that's smaller
it's not dead dead but im just not playing kirby as of late lol
i mean you are right in that mariowiki is smaller than 1 up world lol
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but r/Kirby is directly linked to Wikirby (the best resources for Kirb)
and has a really great community
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it's not dead dead but im just not playing kirby as of late lol
or talking about it
since it's a more smaller series than what you like (probably idk????)
but also we are the only ones talking here
prime leaf
yeah tho i do recommend KDP for smaller scale but still fun discussions
umbral merlin
I finally 100%ed the story in Return to Dream Land Deluxe since I never completed the challenge mode levels
I’m glad that I don’t need to get gold medals to 100%
covert girder
Congrats!
umbral merlin
Thank you!
prime leaf
GG
umbral merlin
Although I still have to do the Extra mode to unlock the True Arena which I think is dumb because I thought by beating the Arena, it would just unlock the True Arena
prime leaf
Although I still have to do the Extra mode to unlock the True Arena which I thin...
thats because EX mode has bosses that appear in true arena
and magolor epilogue too
need to beat both of them before unlocking true arena
muted delta
umbral merlin
need to beat both of them before unlocking true arena
I’ve already beaten the Magolor Epilogue. I’m pretty sure all I have left is the extra mode.
prime leaf
then just beat EX mode
umbral merlin
I’ll get to it
prime leaf
I didnt
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worthy isle
Twitter
balmy wedge
Kirby Air Riders looks peak
blazing tinsel
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I love Kirby
final lily
Kirby thread
midnight sigil
yeah so im actually a little concerned that air riders might be more of a remake than anything else
since bandai namco was said to be making a remake of a game for nintendo
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how so?
midnight sigil
it was described as a fast paced 3d game
they were also said to be making another game that was also 3d but had a fixed camera from a sideways perspective (obviously smash)
it was then said that the former game was cancelled, but i think it really just wrapped up development
if this is the game that sakurai described in his show as not taking a long time to write the project document for, then it might not be much more than a remake-type
vagrant zinc
I do have my concerns about Air Riders kinda just being more of the same, yeah
final lily
the fact they specifically showed only old air ride machines does have me a little worried, but idk
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Sakurai hasn't helped make a remake since 2001/2002
also they have GCN classics now, certainly after TTYD and what not
vagrant zinc
reject Air Riders, return to Star Garden
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would make some sense if they put the original on the GCN classics lineup before this new entry comes out
however there is a problem
and that's to do with copyrighted music
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we do love Kirby
sullen forge
Kirby forgo land is peak
sweet forum
reject Air Riders, return to Star Garden
No need for fighting. Embrace both 🫂
wide elk
Somebody say Kirby?
ashen cave
Kirby that cute pink alien she cute but is Kirby a boy or a girl???
final lily
in English titles he's referred to as a boy, but it'd be more accurate to say he has no gender
he's just Kirby
midnight sigil
i think theres a play nintendo video that calls kirby they
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in English titles he's referred to as a boy, but it'd be more accurate to say he...
Japanese in particular is...
wide elk
Kirby that cute pink alien she cute but is Kirby a boy or a girl???
Kirby doesn't have gender
ashen cave
Kirby doesn't have gender
What is gender?
wide elk
What is gender?
Huh?
wide elk
I mean
That Kirby is not represented with an official gender
ashen cave
I mean
That Kirby is not represented with an official gender
Ohh I get it because you. Are a fan of Fawful
Thank you
wide elk
HUH
wide elk
neon blaze
final lily
I hope Star-Crossed World doesn't mean extra time before the next mainline Kirby game.
I doubt it would mean that, but idk
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considering them they're saving the next one in the background
this is just the BCP to FL if we were to consider drawing simple parallels
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balmy wedge
umbral merlin
Which Kirby game is this?
potent zinc
Which Kirby game is this?
I believe that is Super Star Ultra on the Nintendo DS
umbral merlin
Ah
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congrats
you just beat the game that would serve as a basis for the foreseeable future
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Tomorrow
icy parcel
Unfortunately I've heard that Sakurai will let his bias take full control and add 16 fire emblem characters to kirby air riders
vagrant zinc
I'm hoping that Magolor's extreme prevalence in the series allows him to be playable in Kirby Air Riders despite Sakurai's bias against Kirby games he wasn't involved in the development of
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Kirby fans winning just by (mostly) waiting for their meal to arrive
how in character
umbral merlin
Beat and 100%ed Kirby Super Star Ultra
Not only is this one of the best Kirby games, but also one of the best remakes we’ve ever gotten and I wish Nintendo would re-release this version instead of the original
There’s just so much content here and I just love the new modes (except for Helper to Hero since it’s just the arena again except you play as a helper)
umbral merlin
Finished Kirby Planet Robobot and it’s probably my favorite Kirby game
light igloo
Not only is this one of the best Kirby games, but also one of the best remakes w...
knowing how much I loved SM64DS, I would probably feel the same about KSSU if I picked it up
light igloo
Beat and 100%ed Kirby Super Star Ultra
congrats on 100%!
umbral merlin
Thanks and KSSU is absolutely worth your time. I’m actually going on a bit of a Kirby marathon since I’m playing and 100%ing some Kirby games I’ve never played
Like, I did Kirby’s Adventure and the original Super Star
umbral merlin
I’m playing Dream Land 3 rn. Just did the first world
light igloo
okay, I won't spoil but feel free to ask for help (if I remember where stuff is -- some of the Heart-Star puzzles get really specific)
light igloo
I'm a big Triple Deluxe fan, but RTDL DX and Forgotten Land are up there too
light igloo
I'm a big Triple Deluxe fan, but RTDL DX and Forgotten Land are up there too
if memory serves, TD was my first mainline so I might be biased
umbral merlin
I might replay Triple Deluxe since it’s been a while
light igloo
sleeper pick: Kirby's Blowout Blast
light igloo
My favorite is Planet Robobot
a banger
I thank it for introducing my favorite spinoff series, Team Kirby Clash
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Welcome to the Club Kirby
summer talon
Hello! Any Kirby fans I can meet here?
light igloo
yo
summer talon
I got back into the series recently, and I wanted to meet new people and talk about Kirby.
umbral merlin
Well, I’m literally playing Squeak Squad rn
summer talon
Cool! Are you enjoying it?
umbral merlin
I like it
People saying it’s the worst mainline Kirby game and I do kinda see why since while I like the Squeaks that show up, it doesn’t really do much new for the series.
Also, it’s weird when you have some normal sized levels and then levels that end in a few seconds
summer talon
I've beaten it once, and I liked it!
And yeah, I agree with some of the levels being shorter than the others.
umbral merlin
I’m just going through all the mainline Kirby games and ranking them and Squeak Squad and Kirby 64 are the two I have left. Well, I also have Star Allies, but I don’t have that game, so I won’t be counting it. And after that, I might go to Chrono Trigger since it’s been on my mind and I wanna play since I know people call it one of the greatest JRPGs of all time
summer talon
That's nice!
Honestly, I've been looking to join in a Kirby community, but I'm a bit shy about it
light igloo
Honestly, I've been looking to join in a Kirby community, but I'm a bit shy abou...
that's real
the whole "community" thing is new to me too, as I have interests with no real outlets to discuss them in
my advice would be to start small(ish), whatever number works for you
also
um
welcome 
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summer talon
my advice would be to start small(ish), whatever number works for you
Starting small is good way for me
prime leaf
Honestly, I've been looking to join in a Kirby community, but I'm a bit shy abou...
I suggest Kirby's Dream Palace if r/Kirby is too big
summer talon
That's a good idea! Maybe I'll also join r/Kirby when I feel prepared.
neon mesa
Hey, to anyone who has played Kirby Air Riders, I want to know something. I did some research and found that Lololo and Lalala can switch between each other by doing a spin. Does that change the stats based on who drives? Like is one quicker but harder to steer, and the other slower but more maneuverable?
umbral merlin
Beat and 100%ed Kirby Squeak Squad
Pretty fun game, but there is better Kirby games out there. I do really like the inclusion of the Squeaks and Dark Nebula having a really cool design and theme (even if the fight itself is really anticlimactic)
light igloo
Beat and 100%ed Kirby Squeak Squad
for the unaware, this game spawned the "Kirby kills gods for cake" joke
in actuality, Kirby killed a god for cake
umbral merlin
Yeah
summer talon
Beat and 100%ed Kirby Squeak Squad
Congratulations!
umbral merlin
Thanks!
I honestly need a break from Kirby since I’ve been playing them back to back
I’ve been thinking of going to something else like Super Metroid or Chrono Trigger, but I’ll figure it out
summer talon
Super Metroid is really good! You should play it
umbral merlin
I’ve only beaten one Metroid game and that’s Zero Mission, but I do wanna try Super Metroid since like you said, people say it’s very good
summer talon
I'm not sure what Kirby games to replay. I've beaten most of them
umbral merlin
I pretty much have Kirby 64 left and Star Allies, but I won’t be doing the latter since I don’t have it
There are a few Kirby games I’d replay and in fact I have replayed some recently like Forgotten Land and Planet Robobot which are top 2 to me
summer talon
I didn't beat Kirby 64 yet
And Planet Robobot is also the game I've replayed
Maybe I should do The Arena in the 3DS game
umbral merlin
I’ve recently completed The True Arena in Planet Robobot since for years, I never actually 100%ed the game because of that mode and now I finally did it
I don’t even remember the regular Arena in that game tbh
summer talon
Good job!
I'd like to 100% the game too
umbral merlin
I would recommend using the Archer ability since ducking makes you invincible
final lily
in actuality, Kirby killed **a** god for cake
actually he killed a god after being made aware there was no cake
cake started the adventure, but he knew by that point that he wasn't chasing cake all that time
summer talon
Classic Kirby story
light igloo
I would recommend using the Archer ability since ducking makes you invincible
hammer too, since a lot of its attacks give you those oh-so-important i-frames
idk why the above message sent twice :/
summer talon
Well, I just beat The Arena in Kirby Triple Deluxe!
Used the archer until the penultimate boss, where I lost it
supple vale
Any Kirby games released this year
final lily
no
umbral merlin
Kirby Air Riders
potent zinc
Any Kirby games released this year
Air Riders and the Forgotten Land add-on