Kirby

[topaz field]

he transforms into his Aeon Hero form

and with his dark Aeon Hero form his sword beams resemble that of the same heart spears

plus a cute detail is that when he opens a dimensional rift laser

there's a chance that a Jamba heart shows up in it

[prime leaf]

oh god, it's all connected

[topaz field]

and with Galacta Knight

the reason why he was sealed off in the first place

was because people feared of his power

there's also the potential that Nightmare from the second game in the series/Kirby's Adventure is connected to this too

as he is supposedly the embodiment of nightmares to begin with

and nightmares after all are bad versions of dreams

[prime leaf]

that makes sense

[topaz field]

yep that's very much true

here's another that might surprise you

and it's to do with a certain spinoff

a little game called Kirby: Canvas Curse

fun fact Kumazaki created Drawcia for this game

and her Soul form

which was the first use of this staple

and majority of the soul bossess all reference back to the one that started it all

with identical attacks

[prime leaf]

Damn i was like what does Drawcia have to do with all this

and there it is

[topaz field]

also Drawcia

while not confirmed she's inspired by Dark Matter

her design is at least

see the resemblance?

[prime leaf]

Oh yes

👁️

[topaz field]

the magical paintbrush that she used to turn Popstar into her own art dimension that for some reason helps Kirby out because stylus demands it

it's said to be a legendary artifact as revealed in a RTDL Stone cameo alongside the Star Rod and Triple Star Cane from Squeak Squad

fast forward to 2014

with the release of Triple Deluxe came new info regarding Drawcia

in the form of Paintra the second boss you fight in the game

again while not confirmed it is heavily implied that both are sisters

from the same source

revealed in her pause screen description

there was a painter who created her and her sister by use of a special brush

[prime leaf]

i saw her on wikirby and thought she was related to drawcia

it's adeleine and ado all over again but as relatives

[topaz field]

and here's another curveball

there's a third sister that exists

[prime leaf]

it's adeleine isnt it /j

[topaz field]

no

it's Vividria

[prime leaf]

oop

[topaz field]

she's a midboss that you fight mutiple times in SA

[prime leaf]

i have definitely seen her too

[topaz field]

and again while not confirmed

it's heavily implied as with her concept art

both Drawcia and Paintra are used as sources with the titles "older sister"

[prime leaf]

mmmmmm juicy

[topaz field]

and to connect this with RTDL

(theory time)

in RTDL you fight the Metal General right?

[prime leaf]

yes

[topaz field]

in Egg Engines

it's pause screen description states that it used to have a master

and that it wasn't always guarding Egg Engines

master, painter

could be related as well as the ancients

[prime leaf]

that one could be more up in the air

not as strong a connection

[topaz field]

true

but here's a connection to Metal General

in PR when you get to the Access Ark

Kirby gets essentially guard dogs sent after him

and these guard dogs are based off of Metal General

speaking of PR

like with the rest of the other games it also holds connections too

more than probably all the other games

[prime leaf]

damn

it seems like it does

[topaz field]

Nova was the tip of the iceberg

now get ready for a bumpy ride

[prime leaf]

the tip!?

[topaz field]

yes

the tip

starting off

since Metal General was the idea for creating these guard dogs

it's implied that Haltmann (the main villain) and his company visited Halcandra for research

but was not the only planet to be visited by them

the Holo Defence boss is directly modeled off of Pix

the second boss fought in 64

which was found in a weird alien pyramid

which could be related to a very similar one found on Popstar in DL3

[prime leaf]

oh boy!

[topaz field]

and it contains holograms of

oh

would you look at that

[prime leaf]

bruh, we talked in here for 12 hours and then you gained the rank

all been very interesting though

[topaz field]

anyway

[topaz field]

Kracko, Sphere Doomers, the Ice Dragon from DL2 and Coily Rattler from TDX

which implied that somehow they got data from Another Dimension

[prime leaf]

ooooo

[topaz field]

and this ties in with the backstory of PR

long ago Haltmann was a different man

he never dreamed of mechanising planets

he was a happy father

to a happy little daughter

but one day

things changed

he lost his only daughter

whom fell into a Another Dimension portal

and was never seen again

this is where Star Dream/Nova comes in

after this event occured he kept on begging and wishing to Star Dream for his daughter to return

but it never happened

and what was once a happy father became a broken greedy boss

as for Susie

she was alive all this time

and returned to her father after sometime of leaving Another Dimension

[prime leaf]

oh thats sad

[topaz field]

but when she came back

he recognized her no longer

but how could he forget his own daughter whom was right in front of him this whole time?

S T A R D R E A M

[prime leaf]

damn thats

[topaz field]

everytime he used the machine

it took his memories away

like a parasite

and replaced him with new memories

his heart could see Susie but his mind couldn't

"Why did I reactivate such a terrible machine? Oh, I remember--I wanted to see her just one last time. How foolish! I should have known that no machine could make such a dream come true." - Haltmann

and at the end of PR when he fuses with Star Dream

at that point it was a death sentence for him

and when Kirby came to deliver the final blow to Star Dream...

no more man existed

but what is worse

that or slowly being destroyed one by one

which happens in the true arena version of the fight

when you enter the forth phase/Heart of Nova

[prime leaf]

well shit

[topaz field]

each collum Kirby destroys

Haltmann's screaming can be heard

until there was nothing

nothing left of a ma...ma...n

it was almost like he was never born to begin with

[prime leaf]

snapped from existence

i think slowly being destroyed is one of the worst ways to die

[topaz field]

well he was erased after all

luckily that stuff is non canon or he be on the worst fate possible

[prime leaf]

yeah

i think thats more like a what if situation

[topaz field]

indeed it is

what is left is a lonely daughter

whose father left her from the world

she never got closure the way she wanted to happen

but alas she moved on with her life

[prime leaf]

wow

well i gotta go to bed soon, is 11:42 pm now

[topaz field]

thank you so much for listening Sicily

now you certainly know more about Kirby than you did prior

[prime leaf]

what time is it even for you

is it close to mine

[topaz field]

comfy time (always)

[prime leaf]

well

ill let that slide

clever way to avoid me

i dont have 12 hours to burn tomorrow since i got to actually do stuff

but it was a nice chat

[topaz field]

/could mean that I may sleep too

goonight Sicily

stay warm!

[prime leaf]

gn!

[topaz field]

||Sicily will never find me here ||

[prime leaf]

I see you

[topaz field]

oh deer 🦌 I have been ratted out 🐀

time to activate backup

https://youtu.be/Bat7B9jZ7AQ

you know if there was one thing about Nintendo advertising Kirby in the past

is that the commercials were weird as

dear lord the Canvas Curse one

also Sicily don't look that one up

it's cursed as

[prime leaf]

This is from the grossout era isnt it

[topaz field]

the 2000 era

where Nintendo tried too hard to be adult related

and missed the market until the Wii came in

[prime leaf]

I found a commercial where kirby is just hanging out with a giant finger

idk i dont see anything wrong with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBWJSJbD1c8

it's pretty cute

[topaz field]

you found it

[prime leaf]

it's really not that bad lol

it's weird yes because it's a giant fucking finger but it's also cute lol

[topaz field]

"touching is good"

[prime leaf]

i mean, yeah there's the subliminal messages but well, idk

i vibe with this

background song is good too

[topaz field]

it's not the worst offender

[prime leaf]

ive seen worse nintendo commercials, this one doesnt come close

[topaz field]

but still falls into that weird category

what a lovely image

[prime leaf]

yeah that part is certainly weird

[topaz field]

but the ones from the 90's are certainly something

[prime leaf]

thats the grossout era

[topaz field]

one spinoff you should totally play Sicily is Epic Yarn

[prime leaf]

that one does look fun actually

i wanted to get it when i was younger but missed the boat for it

[topaz field]

it's one of the most cozy games that has ever existed

and it doesn't play like the other games despite being a 2D platformer

[prime leaf]

it gives me the same vibes as Yoshi's Woolly World

[topaz field]

well Kirby did it first

also Rainbow Curse is one of the best aesthetics/art styles to apply to a game

not to say that clay animated games haven't happened in the past

[prime leaf]

yeah

[topaz field]

and Dream Land 3's aesthetic too

it's pleasing on the eyes

even if the game is definitely not the best that it could be

when I rank all 3

it's

1st: 64
2nd: DL2
3rd: DL3

although DL2 and DL3 do swap around sometimes

since they are so similar to each other

[prime leaf]

a lot of people do tend to hate DL3

probably cause of 100%

[topaz field]

also these two can be riddled with autoscrolls

DL2 being a worst case scenario

especially in the later portion of the game

Dark Castle is like one of the worst final levels in the series

by far

[prime leaf]

oh boy

[topaz field]

despite the music being a bit of a bop

autoscroll be damned

[prime leaf]

autoscroll in kirby sounds like the worst idea ever

[topaz field]

do you like walls and that you hate autoscrollers where if you don't take the correct route you'll get crushed?

also the rest of the stages are just flipped versions of the first three

so it's also unoriginal/lazy

[prime leaf]

yes

[topaz field]

then Dark Castle is the one for you

[topaz field]

not entirely the worst

[prime leaf]

i would say the worst because like it feels very limiting lol

[topaz field]

shooting ones can be fun

[prime leaf]

the shmups?

oh yeah those are fun actually

[topaz field]

yes

[prime leaf]

ive played a lot of shmups so i always welcome them

[topaz field]

you experienced a bit of it in Milky Way Wishes

[prime leaf]

yep

there was also the riding Landia bit in RTDLDX

[topaz field]

PR's final boss is just that

but Star Fox

[prime leaf]

yeah i saw that star dream fight

[topaz field]

there's also the jet robobot sections

where they are essential shoot em' ups

[topaz field]

and play just like the ones you briefly experienced Sicily

in fact there's a whole level dedicated to it

[topaz field]

the shimomura games are known for this

64 is the one that features the less of this

[prime leaf]

yeah

when people talk about DMT it's either complaints about 100% or autoscroll

[topaz field]

also 64 does feature a level that does reuse level design

but unlike in DL2 where it's just the same but flipped and some enemies changed

it's not lazy here because they went out of the way to change all the visuals

but it also makes sense narrative wise

since this level is a recreation of the first one found at the start of the game

so it's to give a sense of familiarity before going further into Ripple Star

[prime leaf]

ah that makes sense

[topaz field]

because Ripple Star and Popstar are both similar planets to each other

also I'd like to think Kirby was feeling a bit of homesickness

so when they got to the final destination on their trip it was like home all over again

but in the very next stage the happy mood is completely gone

a thing I forgot to mention before

is that because

this was the N64

it allowed the team to experiment more with the levels

and make each mostly stand out from each other

where as in prior games there weren't a lot of memorable stages

[prime leaf]

now

is it for better or for worse

[topaz field]

for the better

I would say

it helps each stage stand out from each other

and helps for unique level design

plus them having their own unique music helps them stand out too

[prime leaf]

oh wow

i just hope it led to good level design

[topaz field]

btw

you know how in FL

where Kirby's floating is limited

it was first implemented in 64

[prime leaf]

oh wow

thats neat actually

[topaz field]

btw since the N64 was the first time many games would use voice acting

Kirby for the first time was also voice acted

and while Smash was first to do so a year before Kirby 64

64 was the first mainline to feature voice acting

fun fact while Sakurai did not work on the game he was the voice actor for King Dedede

[prime leaf]

did not know he voiced Dedede at one point

[topaz field]

well in Smash he does

too

beginning with Brawl

also the same voice actress who voice acted for Kirby in Smash and Kirby 64

she's the same one you hear for Kirby today

btw do you want to watch the cutscenes from 64 Sicily?

[prime leaf]

Oop

I fell asleep that time but yes

I'll be on and off on discord in general since i have some school stuff to prepare for as a prof

[topaz field]

so true!

it's the same in the remake

[prime leaf]

Yeah i figure they wont suddenly give the cape 3D properties

[topaz field]

because making a 3D model of that would be tough

it's the same as how Kracko doesn't really have a 3D Model

outside of the eye and spikes

[prime leaf]

Yeah and not worth the effort when they wont even show up in side view

[topaz field]

btw another reason for why you should play TDX and PR Sicily

they contain the best Whispy fights in the series

[prime leaf]

Best whispy fights you say

You know i was like how can whispy fights be good

[topaz field]

especially Clanky

its fight is unlike any other

none of the familiar attacks are in that one

||essentially robotic Whispy spider||

I don't want to spoil too much about Clanky

Flowery is if Whispy was more engaging with the player

[jade tartan]

It's different in Kracko's case because the "clouds" are rendered out of sphere-shaped metaballs

That merge with each other and stuff

[topaz field]

true!

[topaz field]

I wonder if certain Kirby fight music can work in animated sequences

[prime leaf]

i think they can

[topaz field]

Kirby 64 can go a bit hard with it’s battle tracks

especially 02

[topaz field]

https://youtu.be/BtCxbTEVM0Y

apologies for taking long but here it is Sicily

[prime leaf]

Oh sick

I'm so RPG brained i thought this was gonna be 10 hours

But it's kirby so it's only 10 mins

I watched a few of these and wow, they look very fluid and well animated, I wouldnt guess it's from the N64

[topaz field]

they're part of why the game is special

it helps the game stand out from it's two predecessors

if you think about it Kirby 64 is a road trip film

with fantasy and sci fi, etc elements mixed into the game

btw the last scene if you couldn't tell is actually a parody of a certain scene from a very popular franchise

[prime leaf]

ah yes, a parody of Star Trek

[topaz field]

close but sure (||||)

[prime leaf]

im le kidding

[topaz field]

truly the Circus ability indeed

64 loves to use certain media as inspiration

for example Evangelion

64 is filled with the anime's influence

[prime leaf]

that makes sense

i wonder if the spark + cutter combo that gives kirby a double lightsaber is actually a star wars ref

[topaz field]

btw Kirby can wield a dual wield lightsaber in the game if you combine spark with cutter

[prime leaf]

lol

[topaz field]

omg

great minds think alike

[prime leaf]

we were thinking of the exact same thing

[topaz field]

probably true

but there's also a possibility that it references something else

[prime leaf]

phantom menace came out in 1999 so i think it could be something else

[topaz field]

to which I forgot the name for

[prime leaf]

i think 1 year is cutting it too close but idk

[topaz field]

imagine Darth Maul vs Kirby

now that would be amazing to watch

[topaz field]

well that and Star Allies

you know Void Termina right?

[prime leaf]

yes

[topaz field]

has a familiar design doesn't it?

for both forms are based directly on two angel designs from Evangelion

[topaz field]

another another reason why you should play TDX and PR is because of the abilities

perhaps I've said this before but I'll say it again

I think PR has the best ability roster

TDX's is more or less the same as in RTDL except a tiny few are ousted + the 4 new ones and Wheel

meanwhile PR is the same as TDX's but some of the abilities found in TDX are gone and replaced with the new returning and original abilities to fill in

a few shakeups can make all the difference

also one of the new ones in Planet Robobot is a shoutout to Ness from Earthbound

[prime leaf]

NESP

[topaz field]

and the level it's introduced in is sort of Earthbound themed too

[topaz field]

what a lovely little one

destroy him now, destroy him now, destroy him now

the Kirby Cafe is such a delight

no wonder it's a tourist destination

[granite cairn]

I finally got around on Kirby & The Forgotten Land, this game is incredible! This is Kirby's first 3D outing and wow did Hal Laboratory knocked it out of the park, Kirby controls very smoothly on 3D Perspective and the level greatly helps with that, the item selection is now grander than ever thanks to the fact that you can upgrade said weapons which is useful for bosses because wow those bosses will eat you up if you are not on your A Game. The music as always is great, the endgame is where I was caught off guard on where the story went, I'm not gonna say shit but it really did hit me when I got around that part. Overall, while not my favorite Kirby game, it is definitely a top 3 entry in the franchise in my eyes, I'm so glad that this is the best-selling game in the franchise, Kirby & The Forgotten Land is a game that I want EVERYONE to play, I highly recommend it.

[prime leaf]

Agree with all this

[jade tartan]

WOOOOOOO GG

Forgotten Land held dear to me as one of my favorite Kirby games

[prime leaf]

Just played star stacker this morning

I cleared three difficulties in the round clear mode

Gotta clear the insane difficulty which ill try later

Learned a lot about comboing

[topaz field]

comboing in ???

||spoilers for maglr||

[prime leaf]

Star Stacker

[prime leaf]

lol

the better falling block puzzle game

i enjoy this way more than avalanche or puyo puyo in general

[topaz field]

but you miss out on apple pie though

[topaz field]

the SNES version?

[prime leaf]

yes

the one on NSO

[topaz field]

sweet

have you met Grill yet?

[prime leaf]

nope

that would mean i would have to beat all 7 story mode characters without losing

which i havent done yet

all ive done is round clear mode

[topaz field]

she's a gryll witch

[prime leaf]

oh what

thats who im gonna fight against? lmao

[topaz field]

onion witch

the only original character in the game

go fig...oh

there's also Mr Star

he's a literal star who wants to get back into the sky

[prime leaf]

oh huh

[topaz field]

he's your "companion"

btw Sicily have you played any other Kir game since before this one? (after FL)

||please say 64, please say 64, please say 64||

[prime leaf]

Only mainline games i played are super star, FL, and RTDLDX

[topaz field]

NOOOOOOOOO

wait RTDLDX

...maglr

ifb what was maglr epilogue like to you?

[prime leaf]

It was awesome

Honestly one of my favorite parts of RTDLDX

Like it more than the main game

[topaz field]

because it was the most new out of it

what about maglrland?

[prime leaf]

You just brought back war flashbacks when I tried to finish booming blasters on level 3 difficulty without getting hit

Yes i finished all the true extra missions too

[topaz field]

maglr!

[prime leaf]

But that was great

[topaz field]

oooh congrats!

top A player

CC is one of the most fun in it

always was since 64 ||YOU NEED TO PLAY IT||

[prime leaf]

Lol

Checkerboard Chase is one of my favorite subgames now too

[topaz field]

it's the most fast paced one

even in the original

[prime leaf]

I even played the high speed mode and it was like everyone is on sugar rush

Love it

[topaz field]

but then here they cranked it up to 100% and i'm like

"Don't say another word."

and then the 🐀 one was also fun

[prime leaf]

Smash ride?

[topaz field]

bumper balls/those minigames but fun

actually no they're all fun

[prime leaf]

Smash ride is my #2 subgame

But yeah all the subgames in magoland are fun

[topaz field]

better Mario Party

[prime leaf]

Kirby board game style mario party needs to happen already

[topaz field]

better party game than majority of clones

[prime leaf]

Unless it already did and it sucked

[topaz field]

it never happened

this is the closest thing

btw which mask is your favorite?

[prime leaf]

Cause like these subgames are probably on par with mario party minigames

[topaz field]

to wear at least

[prime leaf]

I'd go with Susie

Thats the one I always wore

[topaz field]

you mean the alt version?

if so that's so true!

[prime leaf]

Yeah the office susie

The one that has glasses

[topaz field]

SO TRUE LET'S GO!

[prime leaf]

YES

[topaz field]

that's not her office uniform

that's her weeky[12U9!)UP)JDEJDEJDjsdihdwi

weekend outfit

[prime leaf]

Nxhshsnshs

[topaz field]

reminder: definitely play 64

it has some of the best faces in all of Kirby history

expressions you name it

[prime leaf]

The exact name slipped by me

I just guessed, oh looks like an office lady

[topaz field]

she's just like the rest of reddit

🦦

also it's the only alt not from another game

[prime leaf]

Yeah i searched about that

Its an original made for RTDLDX

So thats neat

[topaz field]

I also like Ribbon's

it's a reference to one of the fairy hairstyles from her debut game

[prime leaf]

Yeah i wore the ribbon mask too at some point

Tho tbh if you give me any pretty girl i would be weak lol

[topaz field]

Ade's alt is disappointing though

you know what they should've used instead?

[prime leaf]

What alt you thinking

[topaz field]

this

[prime leaf]

Damn gotta wait for this image to load

Lmao

That would make a good mask

[topaz field]

sea?

this is why you need to play 64

[prime leaf]

I just got NSO back but it's not +

[topaz field]

🐀 next time will count

[worthy isle]

https://tenor.com/view/elfilin-kirby-kirby-forgotten-land-kirby-and-the-forgotten-land-gif-25270184

[prime leaf]

Finally beat all rounds in round clear mode

all difficulties

some of the insane difficulty rounds are ridiculous

pretty claustrophobic in that they fill 90% of the screen

it felt like RNG if i could beat them or not

sometimes i get dealt bad blocks like pairs of blocks without any animal friends

i also managed to stack 2000 stars in challenge mode

i think im done with this game for now

for today at least

[topaz field]

congrats

[keen whale]

does anyone else listen to kirby live radio

[umbral merlin]

What I love about Kirby and the Forgotten Land is that it’s something new for Kirby and it does a lot of new things for the franchise. Like, it’s the first Kirby game that is a 3D platformer and also introduces mouthful mode which allows Kirby to absorb big objects like a car for example. Also, you can upgrade the power ups to make them better and stronger which I think is really cool. Like, I agree I recommend this game to anybody

Although, I haven’t really gone back to it since the first I beat and 100%ed the game

[prime leaf]

beat Kirby's Adventure!

[prime leaf]

Was not a fan of yogurt yard and orange ocean but damn did the meta knight fight make up for the latter

also nightmare phase 1 was great

liked the shmup part of it

not a fan of phase 2 however

[topaz field]

at least the clash version is a true fight

oh and yeah

the final fight is iconic

[prime leaf]

nightmare is in SKC?

[topaz field]

yes

they call him parallel with an alt color scheme and a few different details

but is otherwise the same character

[prime leaf]

sneaky sneaky

the ado vs adeleine thing is the kind of shit that makes people think stuff like that are different characters lmao

[topaz field]

there's also King D-Mind

guess whom he is

[prime leaf]

gee it's defo not a Dedede clone

[topaz field]

god look at this merch aesthetic

[prime leaf]

Hell yeah

[topaz field]

Rainbow Resort NES is iconic

[prime leaf]

indeed

one of my favorite areas in the game

[topaz field]

Kirby antagonist/final bosses are very iconic

look at these designs

honestly

Kirby is iconic

[prime leaf]

Kirby always gets the final boss to look so good

[topaz field]

while 64 is not a favorite

it's iconic though

and the music really is one of the best in the series

https://youtu.be/lN1Qytl96yU?si=WWMGAG86doixC97n

take this one for instance

one of the first games to really take in this atmospheric direction thanks to the hardware

(god Jun Ishikawa killed it with this soundtrack/main composer of it but not the only one)

This one uses bells to bring the sense of a warm Christmas vibe to it to make sure you feel comfortable before you trek through the snow with a little ding sound instrument used throughout the game to highlight this. Next comes with the soothing flute/recorder like insturment to give the sense of progression, distance, and to be the calm before the storm.

Then the other half of the music drops and in comes the blizzard with it feeling heavy and dangerous and the feeling of being lost with less to hear and then it becomes more beautiful, like a light at the end of the tunnel to give that warm conclusion while still being erratic because you're not out of the storm just yet before it loops again.

(apologies if this seems a bit long but I'm not a music theorist and I'm doing my best to say what it feels like to me)

👍

[prime leaf]

Definitely an atmospheric feeling song

[topaz field]

Sicily...

[prime leaf]

Ye?

[topaz field]

you posted that so late...

[prime leaf]

Ikr

I forgot to reply

[topaz field]

RTDL's soundtrack is very atmospheric

especially when you get to Egg Engines

speaking of

interesting how RTDLDX revealed more info about Egg Engines

always knew it was a city before the "reveal"

[prime leaf]

Yep

It sounded like a city

[topaz field]

you can see it closely all the way back in the first background

which was there in the original too

and then also the description for Metal General

also isn't it funny that Magolor is an ancient fanboy?

[prime leaf]

Yep

[topaz field]

Btw

Isn’t it weird how many series use the same ancients name because they couldn’t think of a specific interesting name for an old historical group/race?

[prime leaf]

has some

lore implications if they were all the same

[topaz field]

That would be hot

But also too crazy

Better to just leave it at lovecraftian monsters and gods

Speaking of

Raw design?

[jade tartan]

True

[prime leaf]

Raw!

[topaz field]

love birds

Kirby has cool females

[prime leaf]

mage sisters are so cool

[topaz field]

interesting to see these two always paired up together

there are no reasons why

[prime leaf]

well they both have the rainbow wings thing going for them

[topaz field]

thoughts on these two? (yes there is a lot of SA renders now)

[prime leaf]

cute

[topaz field]

to think that each main game introduces a new dream friend

and then mostly never allows them to return legit

unless it's like characters that are main stays like Dedede or Meta Knight

and SA is the only exception since it's the anniversary game and decided to bring these characters back so you can play in different styles that aren't just restricted to the existing friends/helpers

(DMK in TDX is an exception but because of filling the powerful knight spot)

speaking of characters

isn't it funny how Dedede is the only one with an actual character arc that progresses between most games?

from just the first to the second game his character was already changing

in a way though that sometimes feels accidental

[prime leaf]

Yep

Dedede's arc doesnt feel intentional

[prime leaf]

Played DL1 today

Both normal and EX

A playthrough of each didnt even take an hour

That was surprisingly quick

It definitely feels like the first kirby game

[topaz field]

that's because it is the first one

[prime leaf]

Yeah I just mean it was very obvious cause it got nothing on Adventure

Has the curry ever returned in a future game

[topaz field]

no

it became Fire

though it did appear in Mass Attack as one attack in that quest sub game

also appeared in the anime

and in Super Smash Bros Brawl onwards

if you played Adventure then you can tell how much that game took from the first

since it was made by the same people

the first game feels more like a tech demo to see if Kirby was a success/if HAL could still continue to exist

after all they were nearly bankrupt as a company before lot of years later they were able to finally pay off the debt/finance problems that they had thanks to the efforts of Nintendo helping them

and the history between the relationship of both companies goes as far back as the early 80s which funny enough was when HAL began doing their business

and the rest is history

if HAL ever did get to the point of bankruptcy again, most likely Nintendo would be able to buy them out/make the company become apart of Nintendo

but for now there is no case of that happening

(yes Sicily I saved you the time of doing homework of HAL Lab history)

[prime leaf]

lmao

[prime leaf]

i definitely noticed that

[topaz field]

the woods and the cloud strife are such main stays

they're basically linked together

[topaz field]

appear in almost every game

and if one of them doesn't show up the other one will

[prime leaf]

the cloud strife?

[topaz field]

yes

👁️

(please Sicily try to connect the dots)

[prime leaf]

idk anyone that looks like cloud in DL1 lol

kracko?

[topaz field]

correct!

you win nothing though alright?

[topaz field]

📢🔊🛌

[prime leaf]

sadge

[topaz field]

now go do your Kirby history homework ok?

[prime leaf]

lmao

gonna play DL2 tomorrow

it's the start of the DMT

idk if i should be excited or worried lol

[topaz field]

eh

you'll need a guide for it

[prime leaf]

you are the second person to say that

but why

mazes?

[topaz field]

if you're trying to go for the true ending

I mean you can still do the bad ending to beat the game

but then it's like "Well technically you didn't actually beat the game."

[prime leaf]

is this the collecting all rainbow drops?

[topaz field]

yes

[prime leaf]

i have a feeling thats not fun

[topaz field]

this also goes for the other two

although 64 is kind of how the energy spheres and Waddle Dees act

except it's not really optional

[prime leaf]

well then i hope collecting them isnt too much of a pain

for DL2

[topaz field]

nah believe me

DL3 is way worst

also

Dark Castle is hands down the worst final levels in a Kirby game

so good luck with that mess

also goodluck with iceberg onward

you'll soon see why

[prime leaf]

oh dear

[topaz field]

but playing 64 will definitely be a good experience though

[prime leaf]

uhhhhh

im not touching that

[topaz field]

ah right

fair

the man

[topaz field]

the dog doing

classical man

[topaz field]

Sicily did you play DL2 yet? :o

[prime leaf]

not yet

was out the whole day

gonna be playing today and tomorrow

[topaz field]

on top of that you'll also have to play Super Star

[prime leaf]

already did lol

[topaz field]

then do it again (please)

[prime leaf]

it was one of the first kirby games i played after FL

i will do it again tho

[topaz field]

Sicily: hmm no

😭

[prime leaf]

1 subgame after a mega man game

[topaz field]

ah yes

Mega Man Soccer

[prime leaf]

it's like

Mega Man 10

• DL3
  Mega Man 11 (replay)
• Spring Breeze
  Mega Man X5
• Dyna Blade

that's basically the gist of my plans rn lol

[topaz field]

ah

why's that?

is this a marathon?

[prime leaf]

I cant marathon mega man games so I play kirby as a buffer

[topaz field]

you could say

[prime leaf]

but in the journey, i have also learned to appreciate kirby games

the old ones

[topaz field]

buffet

[prime leaf]

LOL

but yeah

[topaz field]

[prime leaf]

as you can imagine, it is always a whiplash to go from hard game to easy game then hard game back and forth

but it helps prevent burnout

[topaz field]

the ultimate brain challenge

[prime leaf]

after i beat mega man 8 i played DL1 and was so surprised by how easy and short it was

even with extra game

so I played mega man 9 and beat it that same day lol

[topaz field]

golly roger bay

[prime leaf]

but yeah, this half marathon is actually fun

i would recommend this when people want to marathon mega man

kirby as a buffer is so good

[topaz field]

buffer

buffet

[prime leaf]

I also promised Jenny I'd play DL1 and DMT so that factored into what I'm doing rn as well

DMT except 64

cause i can only emulate that on computer rn lol

[topaz field]

and it's not good on computer

[prime leaf]

yeah i figured

since N64 emulation on computer isnt very ideal

i did get to run OOT on it tho

[topaz field]

will you ever play SKC

[prime leaf]

probably not

it doesnt seem interesting

[topaz field]

fair

mobile game but not on mobile

[prime leaf]

id play star allies over that

[topaz field]

what about Dream Buffer

[prime leaf]

online dead so probably not

id have bought it in 2022 however if i didnt get distracted lol

[topaz field]

it can be a fun time

you can do just CPUs right?

[prime leaf]

but yeah, rn I'm planning to play DL2, DL3, Super Star, er idk what else but i think those are the NSO mainline kirby games that I have yet to play

except 64 that is

[topaz field]

or AM

shafted again 😭

[prime leaf]

oh yeah

AM is a thing

you dont know how badly i want NSO+

AM looks like a fun game

[topaz field]

beware that it can be annoying

[prime leaf]

but in spinoffs, my choices left are tilt n tumble and dream course

[topaz field]

and you'll probably die a lot

[prime leaf]

well im not emulating it anytime soon at least

[topaz field]

game is supposed to be a somewhat metroidvania

[prime leaf]

yeah i can see that

[topaz field]

if you're into that genre I suppose you can try it

[prime leaf]

im not actually lol

or well i never played a metroidvania before

[topaz field]

babies first metroidvania

[prime leaf]

that might be either dread or symphony of the night

[topaz field]

go with Dread first

then do SON and the other GBA ones

[prime leaf]

ive also been thinking of playing some metroid on nso

not 1 tho

2 or super

[topaz field]

don't play the original

it sucks nowadays

you should also try to get Prime Remastered

if you want to experience 3D Metroid

or play DL3

the best metroid game

[prime leaf]

[topaz field]

why not

I thought you were going to do it

[prime leaf]

I mean i just meant that for DL3 and best in the same sentence

I will do it tho

just not 100%

[topaz field]

ah

☕🐇

wish you could play TDX or PR though

those two are great 3DS experiences

[prime leaf]

i want to as well

but finding an australian version of those games here is gonna be hard

[topaz field]

creture

comfort creture

replacement

contrast

[prime leaf]

DL2 is driving me crazy

the iceberg rainbow drop is something alright

[topaz field]

now you know the pain

and now you can share the pain

[prime leaf]

so

wtf is that rainbow drop in cloudy park

so much switching between copy abilities and animal friends

[topaz field]

so true bestie

[prime leaf]

it's so cryptic

how am i supposed to find that without a guide

[topaz field]

simple

you can't

[prime leaf]

the worst rainbow drop in the entire game

[topaz field]

unless you have replayed the game before and know what to do

[prime leaf]

at least in the tower, there is a way to know the copy ability order

At least dark matter was a fun fight in DL2

but i felt nothing about that true ending lol

[topaz field]

at least you played DL2

thoughts on it?

[prime leaf]

honestly

it's conflicting

some levels are great

animal friends are great to use

just bogged down by questionable rainbow drops

and also some aspects of level design like pick a path

i want to play kirby, not mario maker

[topaz field]

was Dark Castle bad for you?

[prime leaf]

some of it was

esp with the pick a path

but the rainbow drop is at least not bad

[topaz field]

also if you couldn't tell

[prime leaf]

• there is a way to know the copy ability order

yeah i know about some stages forward and backward

[topaz field]

it's lazy padding

[prime leaf]

yeah

it's just so they can say they made 7 stages

[topaz field]

64 only did it once

but to call back to the first level of the game

home away from home

here it's not justified

and

did you notice how similar the game is to Adventure?

[prime leaf]

yep

but somehow made it worse

[topaz field]

at least animal friends are a cute gimmick

[prime leaf]

yep

i love using them

[topaz field]

except when they aren't

[prime leaf]

they all have great music when im using them

[topaz field]

have fun playing DL3 though

[prime leaf]

except kine is a SMB3 frog suit on land situation

[topaz field]

[prime leaf]

[topaz field]

time to slay Iris.exe

[prime leaf]

NO

must protect her

[topaz field]

as in

slay

[prime leaf]

oh

lol

[topaz field]

queen slay

[prime leaf]

the other meaning

LMAO

[topaz field]

what did you think I meant

I think mit will have to teach you the meaning behind slay

[prime leaf]

slay as in kill LOL

but yes queen slay!

[topaz field]

tsk tsk

but yeah

have fun with DL3

[prime leaf]

i will

after playing mega man 10

[topaz field]

believe me

when I say

you're going to have a bad time

[prime leaf]

DL3 does have a Reputation

[topaz field]

it's like RTDLDX

but bad

not a bad Kirby game

but not a good Kirby experience tbh

it amps up everything you didn't like about the previous game

such as so many autoscrollers

and that you need a guide again

except for mostly every level

plus just like the rainbow drops

it is NON OPTIONAL

except if you want to get the bad ending on purpose just so you can move onto Mega Smart Book Intelligent

[prime leaf]

the autoscroll is not inherently bad but how they used it, esp in the tower, is bad

like fucking, pick a path? really?

thats the best you can come up with?

i wanna experience true ending too so i will play DL3 getting all heart stars

[topaz field]

gooluck

[prime leaf]

mega man 11 would be the palette cleanse

i really like that game so it all works out

[prime leaf]

finally finished DL3 with all heart stars

all I'll say is, fuck the ROB level

tedious, boring, and made me fall asleep

[topaz field]

YOU DID IT

WOOHOO

YIPEE

YEAH YEAH YEAH

🎉

[prime leaf]

yep

i told you i would do it

dark matter fight is actually super fun

but i wish it wasnt locked behind the most tedious shit ever

[topaz field]

tedious shit = shimomura games

[prime leaf]

yeah basically

cause i didnt feel this in DL1 and Adventure and Super Star

and modern Kirby

[topaz field]

did you like DL3?

[prime leaf]

even ignoring the heart stars, the levels aren't fun to play through

[topaz field]

👍

[prime leaf]

in DL2 the levels are at least fun if you ignore rainbow drops

of which you have the luxury since they're in one level every world

[topaz field]

somewhat

[prime leaf]

but as collectibles rainbow drops are worse than heart stars

still havent forgotten the iceberg and cloudy park rainbow drops of DL2

[topaz field]

RTDL(DX) is DL3 but way better

[prime leaf]

RTDLDX is in no way similar to DL3 lol

[topaz field]

what do you mean

[prime leaf]

RTDLDX is fun

[topaz field]

ofc it is

Popstar literally has the level themes as DL3

has the enemy variety intact from that game

[prime leaf]

i was being a little flippant when i said that but yeah i see it

[topaz field]

also point stars exist as the coins of the game

[prime leaf]

yeah in a way RTDLDX is DL3 if it's good

[topaz field]

well RTDL is like this

[prime leaf]

tho that game still has some pick a path stuff going on like one of the energy spheres

[topaz field]

it's a game that combines Adventure, Super Star, DL3 and 64 into it (oh and GCN too because it's on top of its ashes)

you can definitely tell

[prime leaf]

yep

[topaz field]

meanwhile the 3DS games are like bigger sequels to that of Squeak Squad and SSU with the RTDL DNA put into them

which works really well on handheld

then SA is like RTDL + 3DS + Super Star =

and then FL is like

doesn't really take much influence from anything

[prime leaf]

yep FL feels like its own thing even after playing a lot of old kirby games

[topaz field]

which...

is that a good thing or a bad thing?

it does take quite a few notes from 64

and it's also designed similar to the past modern titles

(after all it's the same people)

[topaz field]

at least RTDL was more easier because it's a 2D game and it came after SSU

the title says it all tbh

but then FL is very much alien

although that's the point

[prime leaf]

I am fashionably late

but FL being its own thing is great

it helps make their first jump to 3D a great one

[topaz field]

is that a Bayo quote you stole?

👀

oh wait nvm

goolo there Sicily

what game is next on your list

that isn't Mega Man

[prime leaf]

Super Star

but i havent started playing yet

taking a break from gaming cause this half marathon thing took a lot out of me lol

and i need to prepare for class

[topaz field]

so true bestie

does anyone know about your Kirby obsession?

[prime leaf]

yes

I even mod a kirby server now lol

i only played these games to do my homework lol

[topaz field]

Math + Kirby =

[prime leaf]

i saw someone in my class have a chuchu phone handle

that was cool

[topaz field]

Kirby fans unite

[prime leaf]

i didnt tell her yet that i knew

[topaz field]

Forgotten Land becomes best selling Kirby game since the first on the Gameboy

how to feel about this?

Sicily:

[prime leaf]

wait what all this time DL1 was bestselling?

before FL?

[prime leaf]

it's great

[topaz field]

correct

[prime leaf]

this is like SMB1 sales getting surpassed

i would love new blood to overtake what started them

[topaz field]

6.6 million or something last time I checked

might've gone up since

[prime leaf]

yeah thats what i saw too

DL1 is great but FL is just on another level

but also why is star allies right below DL1

thats kinda disappointing lol

[topaz field]

ok yeah

it's nearly 7 million now (FL)

[topaz field]

at about 6.9 million now

Kirby making records

[prime leaf]

nice

6.9

[topaz field]

https://vxtwitter.com/pierre485_/status/1754776035080454170

here's the info

[prime leaf]

I have finished mega man 11 replay so I'm free on that side

I can finally get to super star

[prime leaf]

beat spring breeze, dyna blade, and great cave offensive

i dont want to play that last one ever again

[topaz field]

such a truthful name

[maiden lodge]

Maybe if it were called the Great Cave Defensive it would be better

[prime leaf]

but hey you know, even compared to DL2 and DL3, GCO is still better lol

[topaz field]

ooh just realized next up is Gourmet Race and Revenge of Meta Knight for you to do

the latter is probably the best campaign to tackle in the game if you're willing to put up with a bunch of text that can mostly slow down the gameplay

[prime leaf]

Ive already played and grinded gourmet race years ago so i have that part fone

I grinded it for a good time

So revenge of meta knight it is

[prime leaf]

Thats dime a dozen in rpgs lmao

[topaz field]

Kirby is an rpg then

(jrpg)

[prime leaf]

tbf GCO had an RPG sim boss

that was honestly really cool

[topaz field]

so true

though they never brought it back

especially for PR

[prime leaf]

tbf RPG sim is great as a one off gimmick

or just a gimmick used a few times

used too often and the magic is gone