like 3d world explicitly states it's in the sprixie kingdom
#General Mario Lore
vivid trench
leaden hemlock
i'd say there's some plausible deniability unless you actually can see peach's castle in the distance
or so
vivid trench
but 3d land doesn't necessarily say it's in the mushroom kingdom but it is
toxic halo
It gets a bit confusing when you factor in the Koopa Kingdom and the Mushroom World.
Like the Mushroom World is presumably part of the Mushroom Kingdom, but they're also like a set of their own kingdoms.
The Koopa Kingdom basically occupies the same space, but idk if it's actually considered part of it or not.
vivid trench
captain toad treasure tracker is marketed as taking place in "mini universes" but i would just say they're all in the mushroom kingdom too
leaden hemlock
there is never really a koopa kingdom
toxic halo
The Volcanic wasteland Bowser's Castle is in is the Koopa Kingdom
toxic halo
The Volcanic wasteland Bowser's Castle is in is the Koopa Kingdom
also Dark Land, I'd presume
toxic halo
Dark Land is owned by Bowser, but it's its own small island surrounded by the Mushroom World lands
leaden hemlock
da dude you're talking about headcanons
toxic halo
I'm not
leaden hemlock
whatever bowser's kingdom is in a mario game changes from game to game
toxic halo
this is in Super Mario Advance 4
toxic halo
It gets a bit confusing when you factor in the Koopa Kingdom and the Mushroom Wo...
And also there's stuff like...
Boo Woods, where Luigi lives. Which is definitely Mushroom Kingdom.
But is Evershade Valley part of the Mushroom Kingdom? Is the Last Resort within the Mushroom Kingdom?
leaden hemlock
the answer to those is "if you want it to be"
toxic halo
the answer is if Nintendo wants them to be. Whether they were intended to be idk
I'd assume they are since the area Last Resort is in looks like Mushroom Kingdom
and Evershade Valley is presumably close to Boo Woods
vivid trench
then again the fact that spinoffs are so sectioned-off, you could argue that they're meant to be an entirely different world
like how yoshi's island is definitely not mushroom kingdom
wherever luigi's mansion or wario games take place aren't either
toxic halo
that could be true
leaden hemlock
wario games are completely detached from mario
they don't really belong in the conversation
toxic halo
yes and no
leaden hemlock
the only connective tissue wario has to mario is wario land 3
that's literally it
er
toxic halo
You mean Mario Land 3?
toxic halo
aside from references to Wario & Mario being friends in WarioWare, and cameos in Mario spin-offs, yeah it's fairly detached.
To the point Get It Together continues to use its own World Map, instead of using Odyssey's, or just not showing it.
I think it's definitely possible that could change in the near future, since Yoshi and DK are getting closer to Mario, seemingly. But who knows. Might get even further away.
vivid trench
but even though dk and yoshi are brought closer to mario like in the movie, they're still shown to be from distinct lands
toxic halo
Yeah, there are borders
leaden hemlock
i don't think yoshi is getting closer to mario
i will buy it if we see something like bumpties being used as regular characters
toxic halo
Yeah Yoshi's Island isn't that far right now. If they keep the momentum it might be, but eh.
I hope it will be at least
mighty island
Wario's Famous Woods exist within the mushroom kingdom
toxic halo
Yeah Yoshi's Island isn't that far right now. If they keep the momentum it might...
Right now all we've really got is:
-Yoshi's Island in Mario Kart
-Mario & Yoshi stuff being mixed a bit at Super Nintendo World (Explicitly Mario stuff on the Yoshi ride; Yoshi queue being used for Mario Kart in Hollywood)
-Yoshi's Island as a key location in the Mario Movie
-Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour having a Yoshi Story themed course (this is pretty old though, so I wouldn't count it)
We'll see if they keep bringing back Yoshi stuff, or if this is it and they'll slow down.
toxic halo
Oh Poochy in Odyssey too
leaden hemlock
poochy in odyssey is the one thing I'll give you
yoshi's island is a mario thing itself
leaden hemlock
poochy in odyssey is the one thing I'll give you
and even then this is just because odyssey was made by the main mario team
they're not letting any spinoff developers use poochy
well it's either that or the people making the spinoffs are just soulless
vivid trench
yoshi's island in mario kart is more on-par with the zelda or animal crossing courses
leaden hemlock
it kind of is
but well it is weird
they're not using it as leverage for a promotion or whatever unlike those two
it's like they just made a yoshi track because they wanted to
but otherwise yeah it is the exact same treatment as zelda and animal crossing
toxic halo
DK is a unique case because it was already close to Mario, with consistent DK themed tracks/courses throughout the years. With them even getting more accurate to DK Island in more recent ones like MK8 and Battle League.
Literally everything about New Donk City, of course.
And the movie having a significant portion of the movie dedicated to the Kongs.
But also in merchandising they're separating the DK brand from Mario.
mighty island
yoshi's island is a mario thing itself
Uhm.. In japan Super Mario World took place on Yo'ster Island. Not Yoshi's Island. Hmph.
toxic halo
With Mario Kart we now have pretty definitive proof that they're the same
with Yoshi's House being modeled after SMW's version. With the fruits, mailbox, and even the chimney
mighty island
Oh is Yoshi's house on the Yoshi island course
mighty island
If so that's bad ass
toxic halo
Yeah Yoshi's been implied to be living in the Mushroom Kingdom for quite awhile I think.
couldn't find the source image so I had to grab from GameXplain
toxic halo
sad they didn't include the little birds on top
void crane
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/yoshispeedruns/images/1/1d/5XNtw.gif
Why is he a twitch emote
mighty island
the twitch emote is of a yoshi's island speedrunner named TriHex
void crane
legit did not know that huh
eternal void
Is there a character without the pure hearts stronger then super dimentio
lusty jackal
Wario
eternal void
So Wario is a higher dimensional god tier reality warper
lusty jackal
He can literally piledrive shit larger than super dimentio
eternal void
No but he doesn't give a shit about whatever dimentio can do
Did you even know the mario universe runs off of M-theory
leaden hemlock
Did you even know the mario universe runs off of M-theory
what is M-theory
toxic halo
This feels like Powerscaling lingo
eternal void
what is M-theory
A type of string theory
toxic halo
what
leaden hemlock
i don't even know what the 10th dimension is
toxic halo
This has gotta be powerscaling related
vivid trench
powerscaling for theoretical physicists
void crane
What is a string theory
eternal void
This has gotta be powerscaling related
We are power scaling Wario ( not meme) to super deminsio
Or however you spell that
vivid trench
what does that disambiguation mean
eternal void
what does that disambiguation mean
Idfk, I just think it's just fancy for "other" lmao
vivid trench
i mean what does "(not meme)" mean
eternal void
i mean what does "(not meme)" mean
No memes
Actual in universe Wario to actual in universe super dementio
If I'm missing something let me know
But like provide proof yk
vivid trench
now that i think about it another clown with giant hands was the only thing that was able to kill wario in one of the games he was otherwise unkillable in
eternal void
But durability=/ attack potency, plus if your concept of death, surpasses the others concept of immortality, you win
Whatever that means lol
I watched dimentio vs bill cipher, which is why I say this
void crane
How did dementio get defeated in super paper mario again
eternal void
Pure hearts
Which surpassed his concept of immortality
Iirc
Basically the power of love
void crane
Basically the power of love
Yea then maybe warios not winning lmao
vivid trench
yeah
eternal void
I was going to type "who in the mario universe could Wario love/ be loved by," then I remembered waulugi exists
eternal void
there is no love of any kind in that relationship
Ok, I disagree with ya, but I'll do it respecfully
I mean romantic love, no
But who said that the love has to be romantic
lusty jackal
Wario loves his beloved chicken
If all you need to beat super dimentio is a really strong emotional reaction then warios motivation to get money could probably burn a hole through him
leaden hemlock
i just noticed this isn't the heaecanon thread
eternal void
If all you need to beat super dimentio is a really strong emotional reaction the...
The pure hearts are the power of love in a space ig, so idk if that is accurate
But the pure hearts are the ONLY KNOWN WAY to beat SUPER dimentio
There is no known way to beat BASE dimentio
Also can we mention that since dimentio has precognition ( aka future vision) , wouldn't he forsee his own death?
vivid trench
the pure hearts are each different kinds of love
so i don't think wario's material love would be enough
lusty jackal
Greed is an intense love of money and spending
vivid trench
the pure hearts coming together is basically them becoming the purity heart to counteract the chaos heart's power
so i don't think the purity heart could be made of just one aspect of love
toxic halo
I believe there is a powerscaling thread
(edit: guess not)
clear remnant
Hen is the only living being Wario feels any affection towards. The moment that gay clown touches her he’s dead
Otherwise Dimentio wins
toxic halo
Actually I think anyone with a gun could kill Super Dimentio
lusty jackal
Whats super dimentio going to do when Wario simply doesn't care about dimentios concept of death
Mario and the gang are smart enough to understand what death is. Wario? Up in the air
vivid trench
rudy can kill wario
lusty jackal
Yeah and wario beat him anyway
toxic halo
Luigi might be able to kill Super Dimentio if Luigi wasn't a part of him
considering how fast he killed Bonechill
eternal void
Actually I think anyone with a gun could kill Super Dimentio
Explain
thin hatch
I was going to type "who in the mario universe could Wario love/ be loved by," t...
Wario csres deeply for his chicken. Is love for a pet applicable
thin hatch
The pure hearts are the power of love in a space ig, so idk if that is accurate
The pure hearts are many types of love
ie love from a parent and child-
Or love for one's nation ( sammer kingdon's heart)
Anyway ; real answrr; culex.
We dont know really what he can do other than he's straight up a dimension warping final fantasy ass character in a mario game
And supposedly embodies matter, anti matter
clear remnant
Oh the wind genie from yoshi?
clear remnant
Oh!
lusty jackal
Wow look it's sephiroth
clear remnant
Weird bug
thin hatch
this weirdo probably operates on some reality warping bullcrap
regal pagoda
Just like other FF final bosses
thin hatch
If what he aays is true- + the fact thay hes straight up not from any mario adjacent universe
He'd probably win
lusty jackal
Which game has the dude that suplexes the train
regal pagoda
FF6
minor delta
his theme is taken straight outta like, what, ff4?
regal pagoda
that's Sabin doing the suplex
lusty jackal
Does he fight a boss like this in that game
minor delta
4 or 5
regal pagoda
Culex's theme is from 4
leaden hemlock
i thought the smithy gang was not from mario's world either
minor delta
probably in a different way
than culex
who's from wahtever youd call an entirely different franchise
thin hatch
i thought the smithy gang was not from mario's world either
They arent but like
They're frim a place reachable
Culex yeah
Is like - franchise leaping
While never in a final fantasy game he's leaped franchises
If the smithy dinension is like once removed from mario's universe
Culex is like Super Removed
OH ALSO
in the japanese version Culex says he's a 2 dimensional being
Which ? Idk
But he can warp dimensions and make his own lik dimension hole
thin hatch
Yes
leaden hemlock
he's not 3d rendered
thin hatch
Which ? Idk
But he can warp dimensions and make his own lik dimension hole
Anyway yeah i think he could 100% win
Dimension warping
toxic halo
Explain
guns are pretty powerful.
Like you could shoot Rudy the Clown with a gun and he would die
clear remnant
FALSE! Clowns are immune to bullets
When shot at all that happens is ash appears on their face and their nose spins around their head
eternal void
Dementio can teleport and has basically instant reaction time, even if a bullet could kill him, gl actually landing the bullet
thin hatch
Like i said. I think Culex could beat him because he also manupulates dimensions
They would just manipulate and un manipulate their pocket worlds
eternal void
Wb super dementio, who is stated several times go be INFINITLY STRONGER then regular dementio
thin hatch
Yeah Culex says he's a god , devours time, is matter and antimatter -
So like
Bullshit strong
eternal void
Yeah Culex says he's a god , devours time, is matter and antimatter -
The void devours all
Dementio> the void
Is culex beyond non existence
I'm genuinely asking
thin hatch
He says he's both matter and antimatter itself
slender fractal
Blue Bowser was a glitch fixed in the SNES port
I always thought they meant they wanted to colonize an area and call it a world
vagrant siren
don’t ping me from something i said last year. it’s my birthday
vivid trench
happy birthday (?)
slender fractal
That particular level is official
minor delta
@slender fractal you should stop ping replying people for posts from years ago
scenic mango
I’m aware it’s official
slender fractal
Should we be concerned that during SMB1 Mario is literally eating toads and any other mushroom resident who were at the wrong place at the wrong time #1006663673361727648 message
slender fractal
<@1086971567570960404> you should stop ping replying people for posts from years...
Sorry
slender fractal
I’m aware it’s official
Sorry
I just use this to reply to certain comments didn't mean to cause any problems
vivid trench
you can do that without the pings
minor delta
I just use this to reply to certain comments didn't mean to cause any problems
you can reply without pinging by pressing the "@ on" button on the reply popup
if it says "off", it wont ping
slender fractal
you can reply without pinging by pressing the "@ on" button on the reply popup
Did it work
Kamek using magic to revive Bowser's soldiers as death is no excuse for service also if this pings sorry hopefully it doesn't
I was thinking its for a more selfless reason he has 8 kids and perhaps he wants to give them a mother he may not have had
To provide a mother for his kids
scenic mango
slender fractal
I thought he was just trying to knock Baby Mario off to ride him (and I think he may have lost some cognitive function when he was turned into a giant)
regal pagoda
may i ask why you're replying to lots of things from last year
leaden hemlock
backreading
regal pagoda
they also replied to a deleted user
leaden hemlock
the idea is just to provide headcanons to things people said here
nothing wrong with that
slender fractal
may i ask why you're replying to lots of things from last year
I was just checking the forums history and adding what I think about things
I wasn't thinking the 1ups were diagetic (or at least the body has to be intact if the RPG games are canon)
Not really sure I say early 2000s (maybe not because if the Donkey Kong Country games are canon than DK is playing with a Switch which didn't exist yet)
toxic halo
Blue Bowser was a glitch fixed in the SNES port
originally was an error, but it seems to have been accepted.
The official Mario Portal website calls him "Bowser (Blue)" in Japanese, and "Fake Bowser (Blue)" In English
slender fractal
originally was an error, but it seems to have been accepted.
The official Mario...
Yes but why would they remove it in the SNES remake though
toxic halo
perhaps at that point they hadn't decided to make Blue Bowser a real thing
slender fractal
Later games shows that it's some sort of alternate universe in a book but Legend of the Seven Stars isn't in a 2d art style and Paper Mario 1 was intended to be it's sequel so I like to think that the original Paper Mario Trilogy take place in both universes and the later games take place in the book universe as shown in Paper Jam
I like to think it involves exploring the nearby area and checking Peach's Castle every few minutes to make sure she wasn't abducted again
Non canon
Where did that come from I thought both take place in Earth
Why is it that we always assume every video game takes place on a different planet from Earth
toxic halo
Because we know the Mushroom Kingdom is not on real world earth
minor delta
Did it work
yes
toxic halo
Mario's planet is called "Earth" but it's not the real world Earth
Sonic's planet is called "Earth" but it's not the real world Earth
Although I guess in Forces they called Sonic's World "Sonic's World"
slender fractal
Think there's a better place to put this but the same reason we didn't see Station Square during the Classic era (Sonic and Co just happened to not go there at that moment)
Didn't the universe reset or split afterwards and it showed everyone being ok
Oh shoot forgot to turn off ping sorry
slender fractal
Because we know the Mushroom Kingdom is not on real world earth
I'm saying an alternate version of Earth where there are more countries we know they have Brooklyn in the Mario universe so I don't see why not
toxic halo
in the game universe there is no indication that Brooklyn exists. Only in the movie universe, as well as old licensed media like the Super Show, and comics.
As shown in Super Mario Odyssey, the events of Donkey Kong (Arcade) take place in New Donk City, not New York City. Mario's planet seems to be entirely separate from the real world
slender fractal
in the game universe there is no indication that Brooklyn exists. Only in the mo...
New Donk = the Mario equivalent to New York is what I'm saying it may have its own version of Brooklyn
toxic halo
it likely does yeah, but it wouldn't have actual Brooklyn on it.
I see what you're saying though
like there are probably equivalents of many real-world locations on Mario's earth
toxic halo
nah, it's fine
slender fractal
Alright
Y'all notice how Peaches seems to look different in some games when compared to others
Well perhaps this can work as an in universe explanation she has two
My proof the plot of Mario Maker 2 is building the castle which looks like the New Super U design
Not sure why she needs two perhaps this is after Paper Jam where her castle got a hole blown through it
clear remnant
I was thinking its for a more selfless reason he has 8 kids and perhaps he wants...
I wouldn’t personally agree tbh, especially given old and new media never really presents his infatuation with Peach as this nuanced
Partic Super Mario Adventures had him almost disregard his children in favor of getting them to nab Peach
vivid trench
bowser literally admits that peach isnt jr's mother in his first appearance
vagrant siren
happy birthday (?)
thanks!
vivid trench
oh np
slender fractal
Partic Super Mario Adventures had him almost disregard his children in favor of ...
Didn't he say in that comic that he kidnaps Peach to give them a mother
scenic mango
Y'all notice how Peaches seems to look different in some games when compared to ...
I mean it’s not too different from how old cartoon characters tended to have similar but very different homes in each installment
clear remnant
Yes
toxic halo
2 36 AM
austere olive
her iconic line
vagrant siren
yes
minor delta
she says rhis when you push in her head and hear a.click
eternal void
Why are the ghosts in luigis mansion 2 good and in the other games evil
toxic halo
there are good and bad ghosts. A lot of portrait ghosts aren't really bad, but just mischievous and rude
vivid trench
theyre talking about the regular enemies
toxic halo
originally I wasn't gonna include the portrait ghosts part, but it got me thinking about whether any of the ghosts in LM1 were good.
The mooks aren't, yeah. All made by Vincent Van Gore, and all evil
vivid trench
idk if the boss ghosts in lm3 are good though
toxic halo
Didn't the developers say Morty deserves to be locked up
toxic halo
it doesn't seem so
Unless Morty had strong enough of a will to be nice during the game
I guess Polterpup probably has a strong enough will to stay nice though so idk
vivid trench
oh yeah
its the dark moon that makes the ghosts good
so really lm2's ghosts are normally evil
while lm3's ghosts are nice or at least neutral
toxic halo
I think LM3 retconned the purpose of the dark moon
into that it just blocks King Boo's mind control
vivid trench
i guess it just doesnt matter either way
but i assumed that polterpup was trained to not need the dark moon to be well-behaved
while lm3's ghosts ran on their own logic
toxic halo
either way he's blocking King Boo's mind control in LM3
Would've been kind of interesting if Polterpup was acting weird and struggling when they first got to the Last Resort. To show that something was wrong. But that's probably unnecessary considering it's already obvious to the player that it's a trap
vivid trench
i think that wouldve been confusing either way
thin hatch
I've always the ghosts who live in evershade are just like naturally used to the dark moon so things go wonky when jt bteaks
toxic halo
that's also a possibility
although that doesn't explain the pupils (doesn't necessarily need to though)
eternal void
So, if the paper mario universe canonically runs off of string theory ( which one is unspecified) which is explicitly stated in super paper mario, what would that mean for the greater mario universe
latent thunder
i think after seeing the mario movie, i actually kind of prefer the original bros' origin story of coming from brooklyn and ending up in the mushroom kingdom than what we see in the yoshi island games
i think the yoshi island stuff is sort of ehhhhhh
latent thunder
I used to think the Brooklyn origin was goofy and sucked having Mario connected to the real world
But the movie is kinda where I went, "OK, I actually prefer this"
I somehow find it more interesting than Yoshi's Island
vivid trench
its because it doesnt treat the mushroom kingdom as a world in a video game unlike every other time brooklyn is brought up
latent thunder
Do you prefer the Brooklyn origin as well?
mighty island
I always did cuz I never assumed the mushroom kingdom was a video game
vivid trench
the fact that brooklyn is its own place instead of the "real world" is much better
until now i didnt actually have a preference
mighty island
I also liked it cuz bias of living in Philadelphia so it felt like Mario was close to home
vivid trench
because there were still parts of it in the cartoon i enjoyed
especially when non-mario humans entered the mushroom kingdom
but the execution sucked
latent thunder
I really liked the movie giving Mario a family, thought that was pretty awesome
raw yacht
While Mario punches a block while jumping, Yoshi literally uses his head.
vivid trench
In Mario run he punches
raw yacht
In Mario run he punches
do you mean Yoshi?
vivid trench
yes
raw yacht
punchy yoshi
vivid trench
mario is from brooklyn
latent thunder
thank you
latent thunder
mario is from brooklyn
(which is better than the yoshi's island story)
lusty jackal
bestow upon me a canon fact
wario has ants trapped in a matchbox in hopes that they worship him as a god
vernal acorn
Mario actually likes pineapple on pizza!
toxic halo
bestow upon me a canon fact
message failed, so screenshot
Really freaking cool that they linked so many games together, and I can't wait to see if SMB Wonder does anything similar.
latent thunder
message failed, so screenshot
does that mean anyone actually remembers the events of the first galaxy game or no
vestal panther
vestal panther
message failed, so screenshot
holy shit this is actually epic
latent thunder
glad he was able to screenshot the failed message
i've been on mobile and had a failed message and it's so painful
i had to type it out again in fact i don't even think i did i think i just gave up
i didn't think to screenshot it
toxic halo
does that mean anyone actually remembers the events of the first galaxy game or ...
At least Mario and Rosalina do. It's not clear if anyone else does.
We know that Captain Toad doesn't, as the Toad Brigade is absent from the game's ending, and forms "for the first time" in Galaxy 2.
vestal panther
i had to type it out again in fact i don't even think i did i think i just gave ...
your godess arrived thank me later
regal pagoda
Soul Eater moon real
toxic halo
space zone is mobile-- noted
trim monolith
Soul Eater moon real
Always found that terrifying
vernal acorn
Apparently, the other Yoshis in Yoshi's Island had names. I stan Marci because I freaking love purple!
toxic halo
Pretty sure these were from a licensed comic, so it's not "official" official.
In the sense that the stuff depicted in the product is not accurate to the actual game.
clear remnant
^ da dude is famously a trickster
runic raptor
^ da dude is famously a trickster
HEY EVERY !! YOUR NUMBER 1 RATED DUDE, DA DUDE D. DA DUDE
toxic halo
**takes a bow
obtuse grove
FINAALLY someone agrees with me
toxic halo
Mario is either straight, ace, or bi
obtuse grove
Mario is either straight, ace, or bi
what the hell r those 2 last ones
regal pagoda
Asexual, bisexual
Ace for not really feeling attraction, bi is a bit trickier to define but ive seen it be used as an umbrella for being attracted to 2 or more genders
runic raptor
Bi could mean either bisexual or bigender
I usually use it as short for bisexual tho
regal pagoda
The other 2 are sexualities so it would logically mean bisexual
vestal panther
Mario is either straight, ace, or bi
wait what the hell
that’s such an oddly specific thing I’ve never thought about
he’s most likely straight
vestal panther
https://www.autostraddle.com/mario-kart-characters-ranked-in-terms-of-queerness-421122/ on the topic of that stuff I found this headcanon thing
the Luigi one i lost it
toxic halo
he’s most likely straight
Yeah, we know he's at least attracted to women--
as he's consistently romantically interested in Peach.
Theoretically he could also like men and other genders too, we just have no evidence of that.
And he could be asexual, technically, but who knows
vivid trench
you can still be attracted to people and still be ace
toxic halo
yeah
clear remnant
https://www.autostraddle.com/mario-kart-characters-ranked-in-terms-of-queerness-...
If Daisy’s not near the top i’m banning someone in this thread at random
OK all of you deserve death
visual bluff
What's the lore behind Wario's pink nose?
minor delta
chronic stuffy nose
toxic halo
I personally see it as a race thing.
With whatever Wario's race is typically having large pink or red noses.
this would include Waluigi, Jimmy T & his family, Jimmy P, Dr Crygor, and Booster
Or maybe it's just a genetic trait
vivid trench
Why would his nose be a curiosity and not his ears
visual bluff
I didn't think about that
karmic gale
what's the lore behind waluigi?
toxic halo
It's actually pretty in-depth
I think it was listed on the Japanese website for Mario Tennis https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nm8j/chara/walu.html
Basically Waluigi saw Mario & Luigi rise to stardom, and wanted to be a star as well. So he trained rigorously to get as good as them and beat them.
Then he just showed up one day and he was good enough to be chosen to be one of the contestants in Mario Tennis.
He sees himself as Luigi's rival, but it's not really reciprocated.
He claimed to be the famous "lost tennis player"
This Nintendo Dream article talks a bit about his creation and personality as well
Waluigi is not Wario's friend, but rather just his sports partner.
https://www.ndw.jp/waluigi-interview-221021/
due to Google Translate, neither link will be fully accurate in English. but you should be able to get the gist
it's funny that the developer has seemingly "never even heard" of the idea of Wario & Waluigi being related
vivid trench
So they’re more like colleagues than friends
karmic gale
damn i always thought wario and waluigi were brothers
eternal void
damn i always thought wario and waluigi were brothers
I always thought waliugi was an asexual son via budding
No joke
eternal void
Schetchy websites,
compact kettle
What's the lore behind Wario's pink nose?
it's a dead kirby attached to his face
vestal panther
visual bluff
Ah, I guess that makes sense
eternal void
Does peach have a Canon age?
Someone said she is underage, but I'm pretty sure mario is 26 or 27, and as shown in yoshi's Island ds, peach and Marko are the same age
toxic halo
Peach & Mario are indeed the same age
icy sun
Someone said she is underage, but I'm pretty sure mario is 26 or 27, and as show...
What’s the evidence from yoshis island, that proves Mario and peach are the same age, I’ve been struggling to find a solid piece of evidence to prove that.
leaden hemlock
the fact they're both babies in yoshi's island ds
vivid trench
And partners in time
icy sun
the fact they're both babies in yoshi's island ds
Ofc 🙃 where does this idea of peach being 16/17 come from if Mario was confirmed 23 in SSB?
leaden hemlock
super princess peach, the game, is currently 17 years old
icy sun
By that logic isn’t Mario 47 then 😳
vivid trench
What logic
mighty island
Chris Pratt s age
vivid trench
He’s also not 47
icy sun
the arcade donkey kong game is 42 years old
Sorry I blanked, regardless do you not find that age gap, odd.. as well as the fact that there has never been an actual stating of peaches age (other than game release dates).
leaden hemlock
what age gap?
icy sun
47-17
leaden hemlock
um
icy sun
🤨
vivid trench
There is no age gap between mario and peach such as that
karmic gale
I always thought waliugi was an asexual son via budding
that's... something ig
devout nova
Sorry I blanked, regardless do you not find that age gap, odd.. as well as the f...
I think everyone who was a baby in Yoshi's Island times is around 26 since that's about Mario's official age iirc
fervent sky
I think everyone who was a baby in Yoshi's Island times is around 26 since that'...
Since they were babies what year would it have been?
dim jay
Since they were babies what year would it have been?
1990 or something
rugged gorge
is toadette the girl in the toad species or is it just the one? cuz theres like 2 in the galaxy intro but never more than one in the same place as far as I know
vivid trench
its normally just the one
mighty island
bis original has toadette looking women
minor delta
initially yea toadette was just how girl toads look but then they changed it so that shes the only one that looks that way
toxic halo
I think they could bring back the BIS style, but I think going forward they'll mostly be bald or have real hair like SMRPG
mighty island
I think bringing back the bis style but also letting female toads not have just pink and red would b good
I dislike the smurfette implication
toxic halo
Aside from Toadley's Intern, all female Toads in BIS were red and white, just like normal Toad NPCs. So I think any other game would sensibly have multiple color variations
mighty island
i think female toads having reversed colors is good
toxic halo
When they have mushroom hair I think it kinda needs to be inverted or else it looks bad
I've seen fan ideas where they make the default female Toad have mushroom hair, but with normal colors, and it does not feel right
rugged gorge
I've seen fan ideas where they make the default female Toad have mushroom hair, ...
Normal colors as in this?
visual bluff
What's the lore behind Wario being such a formidable being
lusty jackal
He lifts weights
toxic halo
willpower
minor delta
hw smokes weed
crude agate
Storks are powerful entities who can travel from universe to universe which is why Mario lives in Brooklyn when he is given to his parents but was attacked on yoshis Island, the storks are gods prove me wrong
toxic halo
okay, easy enough
Play as Yoshi, carrying a young Mario...back to his parents in the Mushroom Kingdom
from Nintendo Switch Online's SNES App description of Yoshi's Island
and if that's not good enough, Mario is delivered to a literal Toad House in Yoshi's New Island
If you look at Yoshi's Island as canon, then Brooklyn is not.
You can headcanon that Mario was actually delivered to Brooklyn, but that's not what happened officially
mighty island
I mean it's a mushroom house in the og game too
toxic halo
yeah, but you could technically argue that it's a mushroom house in the real world or something.
I think it's pretty obvious that it's supposed to be the Mushroom Kingdom though.
vivid trench
Yeah that’s why the old fanon was that Mario’s family relocated to brooklyn to hide from bowser
rugged gorge
why does this guys head look like the mushrooms that Mario eats to grow
leaden hemlock
because he's chef toad
rugged gorge
chef makes food and is food
compact kettle
Chef Toad is Mushroom Kingdom's most mediocre chef
Prepare your tastebuds for my amazingly average food and ridiculously unremarkable ingredients!
A forgettable experience!
rugged gorge
what did he do to you?
compact kettle
He charges 20 bucks for an average burger
and has you wait longer than you waiting for a table in a goodChinese restaurant
rugged gorge
He charges 20 bucks for an average burger
its not just any burger! it has a power up on it 
compact kettle
I ended up even more tired after I left Toad Cafe
rugged gorge
those dont seem like power ups
eternal void
that's... something ig
Yeah stupid sketchy websites
rugged gorge
I did not know toadette was an idol
rugged gorge
Well she is the referee in toad rally (unless you play as her)
When you play as her you get like double cheering from toads in toad rally so that kinda makes sense
toxic halo
this is an interesting find wth
Super Mario Run and its weirdly detailed object descriptions
I should go check all yhr other descriptions. I don't think anything is as interesting as the hills though
ah, here's something.
Ever wanted to know what Mario flowers smell like?
bruh since when is banana peel in Mario Run
Pipe housing lore
Character descriptions
probably should've included Cappy if I was gonna include Pauline
final ones I felt like sharing
mighty island
blooper from mario kart
minor delta
to be fair bro is not in mario run
rugged gorge
Why are these 2 different things
Both designs are still used in modern era
They do the same thing
lusty jackal
One is for 3d one is for 2d because they work differently
One can fly and the other can't
rugged gorge
Actually yeah I have never seen 3D Mario fill up a P-meter
lusty jackal
3d world adds a p-meter esque state you can enter while running
It's really just that it'd be ridiculous OP and level breaking to be able to fly wherever you want in a 3d game
rugged gorge
It's really just that it'd be ridiculous OP and level breaking to be able to fly...
3D land and world levels where underground isn’t required would be cheesed so hard
toxic halo
Why are these 2 different things
honestly idk
They're both Tanooki Mario.
One is the full suit, the other is just the tail (In Japan, Raccoon Mario is simply "Tail Mario")
And we see in games like 3D Land that grabbing a super leaf turns them into "Tail Goombas" instead of Tanooki Goombas. Same applies for every other enemy in the game.
So we know that the Super leaf can grant either form in even the same game. There's no way to know what causes the change or why. Perhaps it is to do with the mindset of the user?
clear remnant
Why are these 2 different things
They prob use tanooki for 3d because it’s easier to tell it apart from regular mario in that space
in 2d you dont rly have to worry about that
raven void
I dont think that its because one can fly and the other cant or that one is for 2d and the other 3d
these two powerups were introduced in the same game i think one is just like
tier 2 of the other
i feel like you could say the same thing about fire flower -> hammer suit
mighty island
Originally it was tier 2 of the other but not anymore
Cuz you can't statue as Tanooki you need the newer third one to be able to statue
mighty island
honestly idk
They're both Tanooki Mario.
One is the full suit, the other is jus...
There's two types of cat Goombas now
Explain that.
mighty island
Originally it was tier 2 of the other but not anymore
More importantly you collect the same thing to get either
vivid trench
The lake lapcat cat goombas arent using the super bell
toxic halo
Cuz you can't statue as Tanooki you need the newer third one to be able to statu...
except in MK8. They're flip-flopping again
toxic halo
There's two types of cat Goombas now
Either the Lake Lapcat ones aren't using the Super Bell, or they're just different colored.
I think they probably are still using the Super Bell, but the difference is mostly just a gameplay thing iirc. I think they act like normal goombas instead of cat goombas.
But yeah, they have the same design, just different colors
Also, while not on the same level, since it delves into spin-off territory Tanoombas exist in M&L. Perhaps that's the Tanooki Goomba equivalent to the Tail Goomba.
mighty island
almost brought them up
vivid trench
the fact that they don’t act like cats leads me to believe that they’re not using super bells, especially since i don’t think they drop any when defeated
Ironically i think tanoombas are the same way; goombas that evolved with animal characteristics without needing a power up
toxic halo
they have a leaf on their head, but yeah it's possible it's natural
raven void
Cuz you can't statue as Tanooki you need the newer third one to be able to statu...
oh yeah thats true
lusty jackal
chat is my assessment correct
i made this in paint because i was lazy so i cant edit text but i forgot to add that the consistent thing between mario and luigi is that they're both inherently good and empathetic and courageous people and thats flipped around for wario and waluigi who are completely selfish and dont care about anyone else unlkess it affects their personal goals
vivid trench
how does practicality lead to carelessness
lusty jackal
its the opposite
mario does the most immediately logical and straightforward thing and wario completely disregards basically everything to do it his own way
lusty jackal
recklessness is negative
leaden hemlock
you might need to colorcode it
lusty jackal
confidence is kind abstract as a concept for what im using it for
because its not a bad trait but wario has an extreme of it
but then again it kind of ties into wario being the opposite of humble
which is being completely full of himself
lusty jackal
you might need to colorcode it
i was gonna do that but i got confused halfway through so i didnt
i hate using paint
leaden hemlock
what do you use
lusty jackal
photoshop
toxic halo
chat is my assessment correct
the general idea is right. I haven't looked into all the details, but at a glance it's pretty spot on
lusty jackal
I don't make baseless claims.
leaden hemlock
holy shit luigi uses they/them
mighty island
I need arrogant Luigi explained to me
How is Luigi's short bouts of pride "arrogant"
To me it's, he does something right once in a blue moon so he tries to brag about it, but fails cuz he's a dork
toxic halo
I would say Luigi's "arrogance" is just an exaggerated explanation of his pride
mighty island
So Luigi bragging to Spike about his mom calling and Luigi telling his tale in TTYD are like the best examples of this I can think of
I feel like boastful is maybe a more accurate term
toxic halo
I'd agree
mighty island
Mr. L is another good example I guess but I need proof that this is a concept in Nintendos mind
lusty jackal
mario party outright calls him flashy and not functional and he does stupid poses a lot
the character dynamic between mario luigi and waluigi would also be proof of this if waluigi's absolutely fixated on getting attention as an extreme of luigis pride
mighty island
but you could say the same thing if it said "self conscious" for luigi
lusty jackal
if he was self conscious i think his mannerisms wouldnt be as weird as they are
mighty island
i guess so
he's like simultaneously concerned that others think he's cool but at the same time unaware that he does really dorky things in front of everyone
lusty jackal
yea thats what ive been trying to say for forever
the dorky things he does are things he thinks are cool
mighty island
yeah we're in 100% agreement on that
rough quarry
vernal acorn
I've never seen Luigi act arrogant. If anything, Waluigi seems more that way.
lusty jackal
That's because it's an extreme of Luigi's arrogance
In Luigi's mansion 1 Luigi acts like some kind of sophisticated art critic when you look at his monologues despite being a total dweeb in game and in ttyd he either warps events in his adventures to make him look better or he literally just perceives them in a way that presents him as a legendary hero
Whenever he succeeds at something he becomes cocky and starts doing outlandish flashy poses
His mannerisms in general are odd and can be easily explained as weird attempts from him to look cool
His theme in strikers charged is a flamenco track and his moveset in smash bros greatly involves adding needlessly flashy poses to otherwise simple moves
In Luigi's mansion 1 in game as soon as he starts vacuuming ghosts he stops whimpering and starts grunting phrases like "oh yeah!" And "gotcha!" Like he's some kind of pro animal wrangler
His Mr L persona albeit resulting from brainwashing doesn't really explain the dumb power ranger costume he wears unless it's something Luigi's thought of for a while
See also: Mr L's personality as a whole
Mario party outright calls him flashy but not functional
In double dash when you win he goes "who's number one now? Luigi!"
lusty jackal
That's because it's an extreme of Luigi's arrogance
While Luigi wants to be liked and views himself highly, Waluigi thinks he's the greatest person of all time and that anyone doing better than him must be cheating and that he Deserves attention and admiration
mighty island
I don't think either Luigi or Waluigi see themselves highly
I think Luigi is desperate for others to think he's cool
mighty island
Waluigi has self hatred
According to Martinet
Like he blames it all on others and says it's unfair but he actually is self loathing
lusty jackal
ive always thoguht that comment is odd because like
he completely revels in the misery of other people and brands everything after himself
in mp3 he demolishes luigis house and pulls in his own using a car in the shape of his own head
idk if a guy that hates himself would do this
- all the micheal jackson and rose shit he does
hes so overbearing and obnoxious that i really cannot imagine him quietly hating himself
toxic halo
he doesn't hate himself but he thinks everyone hates him
even though for the most part that's not true
he thinks he has to be the best for people to like him
lusty jackal
yeah like
if hes not being showered in fame and appreciation
the world is against him
toxic halo
he thinks he has to be the best for people to like him
so he always tries to beat Mario & Luigi
mighty island
im trying to find martinet explaining waluigi
this is all i can find and its not enough
of an explanation
ive heard him say more before
lusty jackal
yea self pity is different from self hate
in fact
using the term self pity specifically would prove me right
mighty island
yea i guess that does make more sense
i still find it hard to believe that Luigi really thinks that highly of himself
lusty jackal
not like
very highly
but hes very particular about weird trhings
marb posted that tumblr post a while ago abt how luigi has no sense of scale
he at least definitely thinks hes much more sophisticated and refined than he actaully is and constantly tries to act how he percieves as cool
rugged gorge
Honestly I’m surprised no one has questioned how wonder flowers work
lusty jackal
idk theyre magic
vivid trench
Unless you’re wondering why different wonder effects happen
Like why did Bowser get to turn into a castle while when you get a wonder flower it’s not necessarily that beneficial
toxic halo
Some people are theorizing that Wonder Seeds are a form of Power Star (like Shine Sprites and Power Moons)
But I think it's possible the spirit of the Wonder Flower possesses the surrounding area with its spirit/magic or something, causing inanimate objects to become alive and random things to alter.
vivid trench
Wouldn’t wonder seeds just be wonder flower seeds?
Or at least part of the same plant
leaden hemlock
they need to be planted on wonder soil first
toxic halo
But Wonder Seeds might be like the same energy as Power Stars.
Instead of a power source, they grow into Wonder Flowers and expel Wonder energy
vivid trench
Actually now that i think about it it would be the other way around
The wonder effect is the flower turning into a fruit
Wherein the seeds are
And that’s how it disperses seeds
Just like how a real flower turns into a fruit which contains seeds
toxic halo
chat what would a Grand Shine look like
lusty jackal
shines already look like the "grand" version of whatever power source its supposed to be
i think an inferior shine would look like a more basic sun shape
vivid trench
Wouldn’t it just be the shine gate
lusty jackal
ig
raven void
It may not be sufficiently interesting but my immediate thought is each point gaining a sphere on its end like the top 3 have to form a clearer sun shape and maybe it would get like fatter
More spherical entirely
raven void
my napkin drawing
pliant orchid
But Wonder Seeds might be like the same energy as Power Stars.
Instead of a pow...
It’s magic but idk
Tbh I tought the wonders were like wish energy
vestal panther
so....something i thought about: because in Tour, antigravity ISNT present, and neither are the Wii U tracks either. its only seen in 8, where antigravity DOES exist but no Tour tracks UNTIL the BCP was made.
i have a theory; 8 and Tour are seperate timelines that were fused into one universe where everything is together
i also have ANOTHER theory.
wait hold on is this even the right channel to discuss?
leaden hemlock
vestal panther
ah right ty
toxic halo
my theory is that MK8 ended, then Tour happened, and BCP happens around the same time
atomic plinth
minor delta
you should post things you draw in #creative-gallery
atomic plinth
you should post things you draw in <#355140268510674964>
It bugs every day
minor delta
?
slender fractal
https://youtu.be/_VASHo5bQkY?feature=shared let me try to make sense of this. The first Paper Mario game is a real event. It was the novelized as stated in game. After that the writer I forgot the name of made stuff up leading to the next few Paper Mario games.There problem solved TLDR only the first Paper Mario game canonically happened and the rest are made up stories
toxic halo
No
the first 3 happened in the real world and the paper stuff is merely a framing device
Paper Jam introduced ghe Paper World. Which either retconned that, or the adventures take place in both the real and the Paper worlds
devout nova
From Young Cricket's page on the Japanese WarioWare site....
So the WarioWare cast does know about Mario
But apparently not that well
vivid trench
they would know more from 9volt
leaden hemlock
what
unique gorge
Nvm
eternal void
the first 3 happened in the real world and the paper stuff is merely a framing d...
so scaling Mario to complex multiversal is possible.
toxic halo
I don't know what that means
eternal void
from my understanding it means Mario exists or can exist at dimensions greater than 5. either that or he scales above something that can create or destroy something that consists of 6+-D. if we discount string theory soup, only the latter applies
leaden hemlock
okay but can mario beat goku or not
eternal void
okay but can mario beat goku or not
given void scaling, probably
toxic halo
from my understanding it means Mario exists or can exist at dimensions greater t...
I don't know what that means
eternal void
I don't know what that means
me neither lol
basically, the void destroys "all worlds, all dimensions, all possibilities, all timelines" Mario tanked a direct attack from said void and lived to talk about it. dimentio places Mario in a similar state to the void, WHILST HOLDING BACK. Mario defeats dimentio ( with the assistance of the pure hearts but he needs to be alive to activate them thus proving that Mario scales somewhat to dimentio in terms of reaction speed. thus Mario is concretely above the void. the void which destroys all possibilites. infinite dimensions existing is something that is possible even in the mario universe bc we havent observed otherwise. therefore the void destroys infinite dimensions therefore mario is above infinite dimensions
obtuse grove
Apparently I found a bit lore about Mario and Peach and star hill, Apparently toad told Mario that he should take Peach on a date to star hill since the view on star hill is soo nice that you can see shooting stars 🌠 fall from the sky
vernal acorn
I absolutely love how detailed the Mario RPG remake of Star Hill is. Like, I'd wish they'd add that as a side attraction to the Nintendo land Mario theme park!
obtuse grove
I absolutely love how detailed the Mario RPG remake of Star Hill is. Like, I'd w...
Like a mario themed star hill roller coaster ride that takes you through star hill and like the star world
runic raptor
I absolutely love how detailed the Mario RPG remake of Star Hill is. Like, I'd w...
Not gonna lie, the remake makes Star Hill look so much better than the SNES version
And as someone who played the game for the first time via Switch, I approve of this greatly
unreal junco
i wonder if bowser talking from sunshine is truly canon? i mean, sunshine is in the mainline series
but he no longer speaks in the next mainline games
at least not in full sentences
maybe he chooses not to at times?
toxic halo
they all speak in-universe. They just don't wanna have to record actual voice acting for several reasons.
For example, Bowser speaks gibberish in Odyssey cutscenes
unreal junco
well that makes sense
shy shale
they all speak in-universe. They just don't wanna have to record actual voice ac...
not only glibberish but he also mixes names in there to make it sound more like a language
raven void
rest in piece toadsworth he was a real one
runic raptor
A central discussion point I want to make is that because there is no officially recognized canon timeline or any general canon in the Mario series at all, there's a lot of discrepancies to Mario & Luigi's origins
Especially with the existence of the Brooklyn backstory for the brothers (which I personally like too) in the case of the Super Mario Bros. Super Show and the Illumination Super Mario Bros. Movie
Yoshi's New Island's plot having the wrong parents ordeal left a lot more confusion for those wanting to create a coherent backstory for Mario & Luigi, and given this I've mostly disregarded YNI out of my personal canon to avoid confusion
I remember someone theorizing that if Mario & Luigi grew up in the household that was in SNES Yoshi's Island, that'll lead up into the events of The Lost Levels, essentially acting as a gateway to the creation of a parallel world to the original Mario universe (as stated in its instruction manual, Lost Levels is set in a parallel world)
lusty jackal
It's very funny to see this account post highly debatable information with it's matter of fact tone
I knew it was gonna happen at some point where they stop posting straightforward facts and start getting into muddy territory where they assert their theories
vivid trench
what if the next fact they post is about them being from brooklyn
lusty jackal
Well I'll retract my statement but considering their delivery of posts I doubt it'll happen
I don't really closely follow the account though
vivid trench
i guess either way theyre still baiting
lusty jackal
Yeah absolutely
toxic halo
I think this is one of the most straightforward posts they've made, honestly. It's not muddy at all, because they're only looking at the games (so far?), and the games only show them being from the Mushroom Kingdom
ironically I think my favorite posts from them are the highly speculative ones where it feels like fun headcanon.
Like the Snomads potentially being from the Snow Kingdom
Like the devs definitely didn't consider that, but it's fun to think about, and it could easily be retroactive info if the devs ever decided to expand upon the lore (they wouldn't, but still)
Regarding New Island's story. I used to hate it (I still do, honestly, it ruined the OG's perfect ending).
But I've kinda accepted it now because it's pretty funny.
Stork lost his map in the first game and somehow thinks he can find the right village from memory, starting in the complete wrong spot. What an idiot. Ends up in a near identical looking village and has to fly back over the ocean to restart
it's way less annoying than DS's pointless story with the Star children & Baby DK, which are both downright idiotic
vivid trench
yeah if theres anything that sucks about new island its not the story
unique gorge
it's everything else
vivid trench
yeah
toxic halo
they could've done actually new stuff but they just decided to redo the first game but worse in some areas
vivid trench
yeah like
why do all the new bosses suck
and why are there only a half of the amount
toxic halo
why are the locations visually almost yhe exact same as the OG?
They made it take place in an entirely new area and then made it look identical, except the grass is pink instead of gold
also daisys instead of tulips I guess
toxic halo
they had the opportunity to do nee and interesting things, but they didn't. Such a shame they ruined the original story for such a generic retread
latent thunder
genuinely curious
i think the movie had turned me more to liking the brooklyn origin for the bros
toxic halo
Yoshi's Island, but the movie has the best explanation of the Brooklyn origin that I've seen
leaden hemlock
^ contrarian
toxic halo
the way it integrates the 2 worlds into being casually connected is a lot more fun than the wacky alternate dimensions idea I always thought of before
leads to lots of fun lore opportunities that the writers will absolutely not explore in the sequels
leaden hemlock
they're kind of alternate dimensions anyway
they're just connected for some mysterious reason
toxic halo
Yoshi's Island, but the movie has the best explanation of the Brooklyn origin th...
to clarify, since the poll says "Yoshi's Island franchise"
I like the expanded idea that Mario was born in the Mushroom Kingdom, but grew up in in New Donk City.
Basically the same story as the Brooklyn origin, except the Yoshi's Island series also happened, and Brooklyn is just a part of the same planet.
But I also have issues with how New Donk is currently portrayed. The way Brooklyn looks in the movie is pretty great and the vibe I wish New Donk had
shy shale
Why not both, Yoshi’s island happened and then Mario and Luigi moved to Brooklyn early in life
visual bluff
The events in Partners in Time were so traumatizing for Mario and Luigi's parents that they just moved to Brooklyn
vivid trench
Yeah that’s where you go after getting invaded by aliens
visual bluff
Pretty much
vivid trench
Although it might make sense if they also were originally from Brooklyn
runic raptor
Regarding New Island's story. I used to hate it (I still do, honestly, it ruined...
In my headcanon I've just turned YNI into a what-if scenario and essentially made it non-canon
It's pretty much the case in my SMBX-oriented Mario universe where Captain Toad: Prism Star Quest takes place lol
Also thankfully I could do this because Mario canon has never been confirmed to exist officially, in any capacity
lilac spire
yoshi's new island is like... "what if we did yoshis island.. but Again"
i'm pretty sure they kind of focused on just getting a YI game on the 3ds and ignored the plot when it became an obstacle
latent thunder
Also thankfully I could do this because Mario canon has never been confirmed to ...
Sean D Walsh got you marked down for that comment
runic raptor
Alright then, make me become fried chicken, SQUAWK
toxic halo
Also thankfully I could do this because Mario canon has never been confirmed to ...
idk why a canon has to be confirmed to exist. They kinda just exist by default.
To what extent? that's what depends on confirmation.
like Mario doesn't have a timeline
I wrote up an explanation the other day but I scrapped it because it wasn't necessary for the conversation. Probably should've held onto it though.
It was basically about how "how much canon Mario has comes down to headcanon, as well as your definition of canon" but from a few different perspectives, he definitely has canon.
leaden hemlock
mario has canon in terms of having a set of consistent traits and features enforced by branding
wise nimbus
CANON BEING CONFLATED FOR BEING "A TIMELINE" OR EVEN "A TIMELINE THAT MAKES SENSE" IS KIND OF ANNOYING BUT ITS JUST HOW THE INTERNET USES WORDS NOW
BECAUSE ANY STORY HAS A CANON THATS JUST "THINGS THAT HAPPEN"
NOT EVEN IN ANY LINEAR FASHION ITS JUST HISTORY
toxic halo
I wrote up an explanation the other day but I scrapped it because it wasn't nece...
Like from the marketing perspective, all Mario games happen in the same world.
In marketing, Nintendo always acts like Mario does all of these different things. But that doesn't necessarily mean that there's a solid, rigid canon in the games.
And the games do the same thing through references, lore, and direct continuity.
But again, that doesn't mean there's a set canon. And the devs can always change their minds and "retcon" things (depending on how direct things are, a retcon isn't even a retcon, because it wasn't set in stone to begin with)
--
I wrote this so much better the other day lol.
Anyway, Mario games often happen in bubbles and there is no overarching story. So the idea of a "canon" doesn't even really mean much. It's just how games connect on occasion-- how character personalities, lore, and world mechanics are referenced and expanded upon, etc.
And because gameplay is what matters most, story and lore aren't that important to Mario.
I believe that the devs do care about the lore and such, but it makes sense to me why others believe they don't and that it's all just in the air.
lusty jackal
ive said it a good amount of times but i think that mario is at his best when his roots as a regular everyman is clear
and as such i think he benefits more from being from a regular american city than he does being from a fantasy dinosaur mushroom world
toxic halo
that's the one thing I'll give the Brooklyn origin.
I don't think Yoshi's Island or Yoshi's New Island are really that bad against the everyman idea, but Island DS absolutely is.
The Star Children are the absolute worst thing any Mario game has ever come up with.
lusty jackal
yeah i mean ultimately it comes up to your preference of what you percieve mario to even be
and if you want to play up the "fantasy hero" aspect of him i guess the yoshis island stuff is fine
but to me the unique and fun parts of mario are the fact that despite his eccentricities hes a relatively normal person and so im more gravitated towards brooklyn
its kind of funny that in this way theres multiple different mario characters that kind of have two somehwat different yet both legitimate characterizations
latent thunder
What's your guys' thoughts on Yoshi talking? Was watching an SMG2 playthrough yesterday and totally forgot that Yoshi full on speaks to Mario with a text box after being freed from his egg
He doesn't usually just talk like that AFAIK
It's usually bracketed
vivid trench
It’s supposed to be a way to convey that Yoshi doesn’t speak the common language
It might make sense for the main Yoshi to speak it normally but not others
Yoshi from ttyd can speak it normally too
latent thunder
Do you think Yoshi will talk in the Mario movie sequel?
vivid trench
No
toxic halo
What's your guys' thoughts on Yoshi talking? Was watching an SMG2 playthrough ye...
Main Yoshi can speak English, but had to translate the Yoshi language to Mario in the past (Mario RPG)
Now it seems that Mario understands the Yoshi language and does not need a translator.
If a Yoshi speaks in brackets, they're speaking Yoshi.
If a Yoshi speaks without brackets, they're speaking English
eternal void
rest in piece toadsworth he was a real one
what happened to him
leaden hemlock
he passed away
eternal void
he passed away
in what game
leaden hemlock
off screen
eternal void
off screen
when is this stated
leaden hemlock
it's implied
eternal void
it's implied
in what game
eternal void
not trying to say your wrong, genuinely curious
leaden hemlock
he died, mar10N00B. he's gone.
toxic halo
Toadsworth's funeral was literally in the movie
eternal void
Toadsworth's funeral was literally in the movie
what movie, if i may ask
is there a second mario movie i dont know about
leaden hemlock
there's three, actually
eternal void
there's three, actually
oh yeah the garbage 1993 movie
toxic halo
I told my sister's husband that the movie has Toadsworth's funeral before we watched it together.
Then after the film, and I asked everyone what they thought, the thing he immediately said was "There was no Toadsworth funeral"
raven void
he took a cruise and then he died
leaden hemlock
you let them up da dude
toxic halo
I told my sister's husband that the movie has Toadsworth's funeral before we wat...
I also told him that Mario's dad was Gorilla Mike and he somehow believed that too lmno
leaden hemlock
who the fuck is gorilla mike
toxic halo
he explained certain points that he thought might have Gorilla Mike in it
eternal void
anyways i came here to see if i can wank mario to beat goku
toxic halo
like the Take on Me driver Kong "is thst Gorilla Mike?"
toxic halo
anyway, Gorilla Mike is just some concept I came up with on the spot during a car ride
eternal void
can mario be wanked to beat goku tho?
eternal void
what about the dream stone
leaden hemlock
we don't really have any sort of official word whatsoever as to why toadsworth just vanished from mario games at large
toxic halo
Mario is not really that powerful
toxic halo
they'd say the truth "yeah we haven't really had a use for Toadsworth so we haven't thought about including him"
and spin-off devs don't include him because the mainline games don't
leaden hemlock
that's like
i don't know dude he was everywhere
you're telling me it was because of obligation
and not because he's good set dressing for any game that wants to depict a more involved mario world
toxic halo
people liked Toadsworth, so they included him. Then we got mostly 3DS spin-offs that couldn't have large rosters and he had already been phased out of mainline. He lost relevance
eternal void
how tf does the mushroom kingdom run when peach gets kidnapped
toxic halo
Either Toadsworth still exists off screen or her Mushroom retainers take control
eternal void
Either Toadsworth still exists off screen or her Mushroom retainers take control
mushroom retainers?
eternal void
circa smb1
but arent the toads mushroom kingdom citezens
leaden hemlock
well
it stands to reason they'd also be able to manage the kingdom
a select group of them i mean
eternal void
a select group of them i mean
makes sense
im sure peach would train some group to take over when she gets kidnapped
toxic halo
the 7 Toads in the SMB1 castles are the retainers.
Since then we haven't had much acknowledgement, but there is usually a group of important Toads. In games like RPG, Sunshine, and 3D Land
eternal void
tho how tf have they not fully taken over, at some point you have enough of peach's bs
toxic halo
Also there's the Toad Minister in RPG and PM64
eternal void
Also there's the Toad Minister in RPG and PM64
he is dead tho no?
leaden hemlock
toadsworth isn't canonically dead if you're still wondering
eternal void
implied to have died offscreen like toadsworth
eternal void
toadsworth isn't canonically dead if you're still wondering
oh ok
toxic halo
if anyone is likely to have died, I think the minister is more likely
eternal void
peach would be utterly stupid tho to give full control of the musrhoom kingdom to her important toads when she gets kidnapped tho
what would be stopping them from mobilizing an army, combining with bowser's forces and overwhelm the mario bros
toxic halo
Most of thr Mushroom Kingdom probably operates fine on its own, and usually Toad Town is the only one affected
eternal void
Most of thr Mushroom Kingdom probably operates fine on its own, and usually Toad...
if the president of the united states got kidnapped, and for some reason the other 17 sucessors cant become acting president, would the usa go into chaos. certainly
there would have to be someone operating the kingdom, at least behind the scenes
and before you say "bc nukes" mario is probably stronger than nukes
sorry, im comparing the real world to mario
toxic halo
Mushroom Kingdom doesn't seem to rely much on its government
eternal void
Mushroom Kingdom doesn't seem to rely much on its government
true ig
i just realized my previous message would get political fast
so i deleted it
lets change the topic, before we get to that point
shy shale
Mushroom Kingdom doesn't seem to rely much on its government
Mushroom Kingdom only functioning example of right wing libertainianism
raven void
Mario fucked up that day
unreal junco
what day
toxic halo
yeah, that slime in the ?-block was for him, not Toad
scenic meadow
they had the opportunity to do nee and interesting things, but they didn't. Such...
YIDS did have a little bit more for it going on
though I wish they did more with time travel plot
(even though PIT came out around the same time)
though having them all know each other from being babies feels...
and then the whole star children thing really goes nowhere because it's like
oh these babies were destined to play the roles they have today aka guys look it's the characters from the past
also New having the plot too but at the very secret end just makes it anti climatic
and makes the game feel even more repetitive but in a boring bad way
oh and
why is the island now taken place on a floating egg thing?
because if this is a direct sequel then what even happened during the gap period between events that caused this shift to happen?
toxic halo
it's a different island
it's a different island and I think even potentially a different clan of Yoshis too
Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Island DS take place on Yoshi's Island.
Yoshi's New Island takes place on Egg Island
unique gorge
Why isn't the game called egg new island then
vivid trench
toxic halo
this would've been better than the game we got
scenic meadow
at least we have Woolly World
which is more new (and good to play) than this game
but alas
runic raptor
and makes the game feel even more repetitive but in a boring bad way
Given that YNI feels like it breaks Mario canon by just repeating the story again but with a worse feel, it was one of the main reasons I made it non-canon
Imagine it like a what-if scenario
toxic halo
I don't see how it "breaks canon," it's just stupid
hours after the first game, Kamek attempts to kidnap Mario & Luigi again.
in the meantime, Bowser's forces were relocated to Egg Island for vacation, and the Stork ended up at the wrong village because he lost his map in the first game
in the future, Bowser goes back in time to get revenge, as Kamek hints at after you beat Baby Bowser.
Future Mario catches wind of this and goes back himself to help, as Mr. Pipe.
scenic meadow
it's just the same game again
and again
DS did have a little bit more new stuff to it
making use of the dual screen a bit better
toxic halo
yeah New Island wasn't really new at all. They destroyed the potential it had and just made it a total retread
scenic meadow
but not really good or anything
it's decent at best
New is...
honestly
it's a nothingburger
play Woolly World instead
toxic halo
from what I saw, New was fine, but nothing special. It was just Yoshi's Island again but not as interesting
scenic meadow
especially if you loved Epic Yarn
Crafted World...
better than DS and New
but not as fun or creative as Woolly World
also this game has bad sidequests
light pawn
Mario Lore Theory: Jumpman from Donkey Kong is Mario’s Father.
Cranky Kong is so old in DKC and yet, Mario doesn’t look any older than before??? Jumpman being Mario’s father just makes more sense than them being the same person.
toxic halo
this theory is incorrect.
It's a fine headcanon, but it's been proven wrong by Nintendo time and time again
outer bloom
i hope we get to see mario’s dad in the games one day
toxic halo
do we think Game Mario's dad would think Mario is nuts
shy shale
Iirc some of those designs for the movie were given to them by Nintendo
I’m not sure how true that is but given how Nintendo has a character rules for how bowser should be depicted drinking coffee it is likely they have in house designs for Mario’s Parents should they ever appear
Ok looking it up seems to imply it is the case
Though this means they’d be similar enough design wise, though personality is another question
toxic halo
They said the dad was barely changed from the concept sketches, but that the other family members (the mom?) had more significant changes
eternal void
so in berlin byways, there is the Berlin wall gallery. this implies that the cold war, and by extension both world wars happened in Mario. this adds to the theory that bowser is communist, bc the only other political ideology that bowser's kingdom couldve been in ww2, was the one that lost. bowser's kingdom still exists so. (plz dont take this political plz)
toxic halo
Bowser (or his predecessors) would've been unaffiliated, because they live in a different world.
eternal void
so how did they get to berlin byways?
toxic halo
they get to all the real world courses probably via portal or pipe or something
shy shale
so in berlin byways, there is the Berlin wall gallery. this implies that the col...
The Franco government survived world war 2
And secondly, it is very much possible that capitalism hasn’t reached the mushroom kingdom
eternal void
The Franco government survived world war 2
yeah, is bowser franco tho
vivid trench
i thought they were still siblings
clear remnant
I guess not!
toxic halo
I've always wondered if they were still siblings or not
wasn't sure if we ever had any direct confirmation
devout nova
I heard that someone from Rare confirmed that Banjo-Kazooie is not in the same universe as Donkey Kong, does anyone know the source of that?
I think it makes sense
I think DK Vine takes their DKU thing too far
toxic halo
I heard that someone from Rare confirmed that Banjo-Kazooie is not in the same u...
Gregg Mayles said it on Twitter
he said they weren't intended to share a universe in the first place but I don't think that's true.
It's definitely true nowadays though.
if it was true in the past, different staff at Rare had different opinions on it
devout nova
he said they weren't intended to share a universe in the first place but I don't...
Still weird DK/Diddy/K. Rool react to Banjo and Kazooie like they knew them in the Smash trailer
Just a bit of meta humor I guess
Thanks for the answer!
leaden hemlock
diddy literally met banjo
in one of his games
the manual of which implies they were both in the same universe
devout nova
Weird proto-Banjo though
Diddy Kong Racing DS probably replaces the N64 version in this sort of context
vivid trench
How is it weird proto banjo
devout nova
Like Banjo before he became what he did for Banjo-Kazooie
devout nova
Only mentioned?
vivid trench
Wdym only
devout nova
Like she was a character only mentioned by name
vivid trench
There’s nothing prototypical about him
devout nova
Let me see what he looked like
vivid trench
Compared to how he was during the development of Project Dream
He looks the same https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/donkeykong/images/7/7e/BanjoDKR.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20101017055334
devout nova
Hmm
toxic halo
Just a bit of meta humor I guess
yeah it's a meta thing. It's for the drama of the trailer
devout nova
Well I doubt the connection is still official considering the copyright split and DS remake
toxic halo
yeah it's basically been retconned (on DK's side) until further notice.
vivid trench
Yeah it doesn’t really matter anymore
toxic halo
and some consider the Smash trailer to be evidence it's not retconned, but unless they do something about it in a non-Smash game, it doesn't matter
toxic halo
Weren't there DK references in BK?
yeah. Nuts n Bolts references Diddy Kong Racing 64
and there's a few references in the N64 games
vivid trench
It was changed to look less like dk
clear remnant
Metroid also happens in the Donkey Kong universe
toxic halo
this is true
devout nova
I wouldn't take that too seriously
I'm listening to a podcast talk about the history of Pauline and they mentioned her being depicted back in the 80s as being someone who performs at night clubs.....didn't say where specifically but that would be interesting considering her singing is so important now
toxic halo
there was one kids coloring book that showed her as a singer but I think that was it
devout nova
Ah yeah, I remember that
grave birch
mario lore is all over the place because they let the devs of each game add whatever lore they want
toxic halo
that's actually not true.
They can try to do whatever they want, but they'll always get reigned in by the IP team.
Pretty much anything is fair game BUT it has to fit Nintendo's standard and vision of the Mario world