The reason is because there's not exactly much to discuss
#General Mario Lore
lusty jackal
Any interesting conversations you can have about lore are mostly just headcanon territory because there's barely any Mario lore to begin with
It's what happens when you intentionally try to remove continuity and world building from your series
cunning gorge
Gosh diddly darn it Miyamoto
He’s laughing at me right now as we speak
He planned this
shy bobcat
happy 1000 messages 🎉
toxic halo
how many of them are mine 😅
shy bobcat
Idk 
outer bloom
wahoooo
vagrant siren
Why isn't anyone talking about how Big Man is a descendant of Phantamanta? It explains how the paint works in Super Mario Sunshine...
minor delta
so true
vagrant siren
It's just really shocking that we had such a big bomb of lore drop and I haven't heard anybody say anything...?
Especially since one of the early ideas for Splatoon was for it to be a Mario spin-off game...
raven void
your right
toxic halo
Bowser Jr created Big Man
hollow flower
wrongamundo little nobody
vagrant siren
Bowser Jr created Big Man
Actually, Bowser Jr. is alive tens of thousands of years before Big Man is. Therefore, I'm not sure this would be entirely accurate.
lusty jackal
mario fans need to recognize that piantas are evolved pikmin
clear remnant
Actually, Bowser Jr. is alive tens of thousands of years before Big Man is. Ther...
stealth sequel...
outer bloom
Why isn't anyone talking about how Big Man is a descendant of Phantamanta? It ex...
WAIT YOURE RIGHT
young patrol
buoyant turtle
idk if you’re posting it as a joke or not but that’s fake
shy bobcat
idea: waluigi was always his name but he made up the name "jimmy poppadopolos" to make a "cool and epic backstory"
visual bluff
lmao
runic raptor
idea: waluigi was always his name but he made up the name "jimmy poppadopolos" t...
Also idea: Waluigi made this entire page and spread it like wildfire, claiming he wrote for Nintendo Power
Under the same name Jimmy Poppadopolos
Now he truly can be cool just like the rest of us!
leaden hemlock
idk if you’re posting it as a joke or not but that’s fake
what do you mean it's fake
like it doesn't actually appear on nintendo power?
toxic halo
it's an edit
leaden hemlock
damn
toxic halo
the og article did not have all of those details
Jimmy P. is completely made up, for example
this is the og
leaden hemlock
this one isn't much better
buoyant turtle
unfortunately, yeah
cunning gorge
Jimothy Poppadopolos Waluigi
runic raptor
Waluigi's Toenail Clipping Party is... wow Waluigi, you sure had ideas for your games huh
But he's freaking WALUIGI, after all lol
outer bloom
one of my headcanons has always been that there names aren’t even wario or waluigi. i heard somewhere that the wa part of their names means evil or bad in japanese but i may be wrong
toxic halo
Wario's name is definitely Wario, as we saw him as a baby.
But as for Walugi, it's entirely possible that he was a different person before
which is possibly supported by the fact that Waluigi doesn't have his own custom letter in his hat. It's just an upside down L sticker pressed onto one.
lusty jackal
I'm a supporter of wario and Waluigi being their birth names it's much funnier
minor delta
Jimmy Poppodopolis
lusty jackal
Imagine your birth name being Evil Luigi seriously
Wario and Waluigi should dress exactly like the Mario bros and have matching names by complete sheer coincidence
clear remnant
I think it’s funnier if Waluigi isn’t his birth name. He wants to copy Wario knockoff of Mario and Wario doesn’t have a Luigi also knockoff of Mario so he becomes Waluigi, ultimate bootleg product
an obvious plant product as a character
minor delta
i like the idea that wario gave him the identity
literally pulled up craigslist to hire a dude to be his luigu
lusty jackal
My fav wario and Waluigi renders are the ones where warios visibly done with waluigis shit
I like the idea of Waluigi constantly bothering wario to be his partner because it matches with Mario and Luigi
Because otherwise I think warios a bad enough dude to not need a sidekick even for team sports
outer bloom
wario and waluigi are cousins in my book 📕
toxic halo
I'm fine with Waluigi's name being Waluigi. But I like the idea that he didn't always wear those clothes and he used to have his own life.
But then after finding out about the Mario Bros (possibly kickstarted by Wario discovering him), he made his sole purpose in life to be better than them.
His name being Waluigi could stand as motivation for why he sees himself as Luigi's rival and wants to beat him.
But otherwise he just got obsessed.
It's just really funny how Wario has his own life and barely pays attention to the bros. While Waluigi's entire goal is to be better than them.
To the point where we've been told he spends all his time training for the next event so he can beat em.
outer bloom
i’ve always liked seeing it as waluigi was fine leading on his normal ish life playing tennis, until one day he entered a competition to test out his skill. he successfully triumphed over everyone in the court eventually earning his title as the tennis master. until the mario brothers showed up.
toxic halo
Yeah I have a headcanon that he was pretty well renowned in his home for being really great at sports. But then they started televising Mario sports events and people stopped paying attention to him.
If you really wanna analyze it, it's possible Waluigi first met everyone in Mario Party 3 (although he could just be introducing himself to Tumble, as he doesn't recognize him).
Which, if he really did first meet everyone in Party 3, that means that Waluigi straight up demolished and took over Luigi's Island before Luigi even knew who he was.
that's one heck of a first impression
toxic halo
Also funny the other way around.
So upset about Luigi beating him in Tennis that he demolished his home and took over his island
outer bloom
also what’s up with the blue things around waluigi and warios eyes
i’ve always thought they’re like eyebags of some sort of something but i don’t know what they are really
clear remnant
I think they’re meant to be eyebags
toxic halo
they're classic Oni eye-rings
outer bloom
also waluigi’s go all around the eye whereas warios only are on the side
little details
toxic halo
wanna see something funny
randomly stumbled upon this mask drawing online while looking for good references of Oni with eyebags like Wario
instantly was like "wait a second that looks like Charles Martinet"
outer bloom
outer bloom
are the warioware games canon or are they spin-offs to the already spinoff wario franchise
toxic halo
the microgames themselves aren't all canon events though. Just the scenarios the characters get into and the story and such
outer bloom
man that literally means waluigi is the only one without a game
you could name any of the main mario characters and they ALL have a game besides waluigi
toxic halo
even Bowser Jr
outer bloom
exactly 😭
toxic halo
and a goomba
outer bloom
goomba odyssey
toxic halo
Waluigi, Rosalina, Daisy, and Pauline are the only ones in the current main cast without games
outer bloom
technically yes, but their roles are important ones in 3 of the mario games
where as waluigi has never been present even to that degree
clear remnant
I think it’s almost fitting of him, honestly
toxic halo
yeah the games Waluigi was most important in are
-Mario Party 3 (final board in the story)
-Mario DDR (kickstarts the game's plot; becomes irrelevant after you fight him)
-Mario Tennis Aces (kickstarts the plot alongside Wario... and it's treasure-hunting, so it was definitely Wario's idea)
-Mario Golf: Super Rush (Him and Wario are recurring characters throughout the plot. Although Wario has more action I think?)
outer bloom
yup
no mainline unfortunately
crazy to think wario was playable in 64 ds
i remember unlocking him and i was like what the WARIO ?!?!?
toxic halo
I think the only reason Wario was there was because they wanted to do the 4 player thing and thought Wario would work best
And I guess that makes sense. With all the random toads around the castle it might be weird to play as Toad.
outer bloom
wario got beef with chilly chill king
toxic halo
And narratively you can easily say "he heard about a party and decided to crash on a whim"
Maybe he was in the area or something 
outer bloom
it’s funny how all 3 just get trapped behind painting doors in 64 😭
yoshi the survivor because he was sleeping
toxic halo
idk if I shared it here before, but awhile back I came up with a list of things i'd change if they remade SM64 again and kept all the DS stuff
outer bloom
share share !!
toxic halo
I'll go look for it
Someone gave me the idea to have Mario playable for a bit before letting you play as Yoshi.
My idea for this would be to have Lakitu cut Mario off as all the bros run to the castle. And then let you get used to the controls in the courtyard if you want. Something would be wrong and you'd be directed to head to Bob-omb Battlefield. All the stars would be missing except the one on top of the mountain, and you could get used to the controls more as you make your way up there. Once you do, a cutscene starts that shows King Bob-Omb falls from the sky and startles him. Silhouettes of King Boo, Goomboss, and Chief Chilly surround him, and Mario gets captured.
You cut to Yoshi in the coutyard being awoken by Lakitu, and then the game starts for real for real.
outer bloom
i’d love for a hd remake of that on switch
two more things though
better movement on the joystick like the original 64 and a camera that isn’t restricted like 64
would be amazing
toxic halo
K I found it
Wrote this before I came up with the revised intro idea where you play as Mario. Still not sure if that's a good idea, but I think it's cool
I think having a short cutscene that shows Yoshi waking up all tired after Mario enters the castle could be enough of a hint to explain why Yoshi is no longer on the castle roof. With the implication being that he got up and moved but went back to sleep.
clear remnant
Layer-Cake Desert was at some point underwater
visual bluff
Wait really
visual bluff
Oh I thought you meant as in there was literally unused text or graphics which showcased that it was going to be a water world woops, but this is more cool
vagrant siren
does anyone here know if theres any divorced characters in the mario universe?
vivid trench
cunning gorge
There’s a character for everything huh 😭
vagrant siren
https://www.mariowiki.com/Eve
thank you
leaden hemlock
is the movie canon to the games
leaden hemlock
that makes sense
vagrant siren
have a nice day!
leaden hemlock
you too of course
junior coral
Luigi chooses Peach as his girlfriend instead of Daisy.
leaden hemlock
birdo chooses daisy
vagrant siren
??? peach is too busy kissing daisy
minor delta
#1006663673361727648
toxic halo
is the movie canon to the games
Not likely.
It's most definitely just a separate continuity
especially likely due to it being an origin story
clear remnant
wow....daisy has two girlfriends? gay rights
junior coral
wow....daisy has two girlfriends? gay rights
No, Luigi loves Peach.
clear remnant
At least Birdo will still be there for Daisy 🥰
junior coral
At least Birdo will still be there for Daisy 🥰
No, she'll ||kill|| Daisy with a ||gun||.
clear remnant
She’ll kiss Daisy with a passion? 😳
cunning gorge
Who tf is DK’s sibling
lusty jackal
Its Blunky Kong
toxic halo
Diddy isn't his nephew
vivid trench
But this is uncle kong
cunning gorge
this guy ||/j||
He got that United Kingdom tie
toxic halo
Really early on he's been described as his "wannabe nephew," whatever that means.
I've interpreted it as Diddy looking up to DK as an Uncle.
visual bluff
But this is uncle kong
real name is blunky
he calls himself uncle just like uncle amiibo
cunning gorge
Really early on he's been described as his "wannabe nephew," whatever that means...
That’s an oddly specific thing to look up to someone as
You don’t really say to someone “you know man, you’ve really been like an uncle to me” 😭
toxic halo
yeah probably why they dropped that pretty quickly and just called them friends
cunning gorge
So they’re friends who help each other out on adventures
Guess you could say they’re like || friends with benefits 
||
vivid trench
Blunkle kong
clear remnant
This is DK’s sibling:
cunning gorge
Vulture lookin ass
toxic halo
the nephew chart
https://themushroomkingdom.net/kongtroversy.shtml#diddy
visual bluff
This is DK’s sibling:
TRUEEEE
toxic halo
the nephew chart
https://themushroomkingdom.net/kongtroversy.shtml#diddy
and we know that Smash is not trustworthy for descriptions
DK64 itself is contradictory as the rare website claims nephew. Manual claims wannabe nephew.
And Rare scribes is a jokey Q&A series by Leigh Loveday.
so there's no concrete piece of evidence to say they're uncle & nephew
cunning gorge
The real answer is that diddy is a figment of donkey’s imagination
He wanted his own son like Jr and CK before him, but Candy always rejected his DMs
Now he’s so depressed that he’s hallucinating his own child
cunning gorge
He wanted his own son like Jr and CK before him, but Candy always rejected his D...
DMs meaning Donkey Messages, of course
outer bloom
donkey moms 😳
cunning gorge
Donkey Mommyyy~ 😩
minor delta
its practically a studio so not much
its a two room house with a hole in the ground of a basement
does he even have a bathroom
austere olive
no but they have toothbrushes (teethbrush?) which implies they brush their teeth.... somewhere...
mario sealed luigi off on the other side of the house
minor delta
they do have a kitchen? or at least a room with which to sit and eat in
idk if theres a sink
lusty jackal
It's ok guys the bathroom is just in a room you can't see
vivid trench
luigi has to eat and sleep outside now
lusty jackal
It's cut off because of the cross section view
austere olive
i'm willing to accept that
lusty jackal
There's also the m&l house which actually has parts of a house you kind of need
I just noticed the paper Mario hammer hanging from the stairs
vivid trench
oh yeah, this is probably their best house
lusty jackal
Fucked up
vivid trench
that's a hammer?
austere olive
ss takes after paper
luigi finally admitted to mario about the basement and they worked together to help develop a second floor
lusty jackal
that's a hammer?
What else could it be
vivid trench
it's on some string
minor delta
this is why luigi moved out
paper was first
luigi left marios shitty house and bought his own post LM1
lusty jackal
Unfortunately all he could afford was a shitty suburban house in the middle of nowhere
minor delta
then maybe they move back in together as he rakes in less profits from his ghostly escapades, so they pool together for rheir superstar saga house
yea but its somehring
bigger than marios old place
hear me out
mario rpg
mario builds the pipe house
one room, gets the job done
luigi asks to move in
he builds an extension for luigi, now a bedroom and a basement
lusty jackal
He asks peach for funds and she just hands him like a stack of wooden boards
vivid trench
can't he just get money from blocks
austere olive
luigi got the a rank mansion and decided to use it as decoration for a race track. this left him poor with the d rank mansion in dark moon
lusty jackal
Yeah actually this should be a QOTD
Why does Luigi have both an A and D rank mansion
Considering you can only get One in the original game
austere olive
maybe he got tired of the fancy life
minor delta
i like to imagine luigi is the only one who has literally any understanding of real estate
austere olive
and wanted to settle in a nice suburban home
minor delta
also if luigis houses cost Millions of coins then i could imagine why mario woukd wanna build if we go that route
lusty jackal
Maybe that's why Mario gets a castle
And also why Luigi isn't in sml2
He's in his mansion and Mario's in his castle
They've hit it big
minor delta
the A rank mansion looks like a holiday inn so honestly maybe he sold it off as a hotel
lusty jackal
and wanted to settle in a nice suburban home
Luigi's appreciation for luxury is too huge for him to just Leave a mansion like that
This guy is a huge snob
vivid trench
maybe he doesn't want to deal with the upkeep
austere olive
oh yeah i forgot about luigi's gameboy horror dialogue
lusty jackal
He asked e gadd to build a robot that could clean it for him and e gadd ghosted him until lm2
austere olive
he was building gooigi to clean it for him but forgot what he was building it for halfway through
vivid trench
wait maybe the other mansion is from a different timeline
I forgot the remake involves time travel
yeah ok, the remake is in the timeline that continues onto 2 and 3, while the timeline Gooigi comes from is the original
austere olive
wait doesn't the first timeline go onto 3?
egadd in lm3 says he had gooigi "undergo testing" or something like that
vivid trench
that's true for either timeline
oh no wait you can see in-game progress of LM2 being made in the Gooigi timeline in the background of E. Gadd's screen
I guess the remake is the A rank timeline then
(which makes sense because I found A rank easier to get than in the original)
outer bloom
so is it normally agreed that e gadd takes characteristics and samples (who knows what type of samples) of the mario brothers to create clones of them
prime examples being gooigi and robo mario
with the poltergeist and the digitizer from dark moon to create googi in the 3rd installment
and with F.L.U.D.D throughout the entirety of sunshine to create robo mario
austere olive
egadd rearranging mario’s entire dna sequence but in reverse to create metal mario (it’s why he says “mia mama” instead of “mama mia”)
toxic halo
how much do you think mario paid for this house
probably built it himself. It looks like it was probably an improved/built-onto version of the pipe house from Mario RPG
toxic halo
then maybe they move back in together as he rakes in less profits from his ghost...
imo Luigi's house from LM1 hasn't been built by the time of Superstar Saga. So he's still living with Mario, with a house expansion that was built some time prior.
E Gadd lived on the property that became Luigi's house, so E Gadd might've been figuring stuff out before moving out and building Luigi's House
toxic halo
hear me out
mario rpg
mario builds the pipe house
one room, gets the job done
luigi asks to move in
he builds an extension for luigi, now a bedroom and a basement
this is spot-on
toxic halo
Why does Luigi have both an A and D rank mansion
Rank A one might just be a lower-quality replica built as a setpiece for the racetrack.
Think basically how there are a million different circuits with Peach's Castle. Or how there's an entire "Luigi's Mansion" track in DS, despite the mansion having disappeared.
My headcanon is that E Gadd sketched up plans for a number of the possible rankings and ended up building the one Luigi wanted most / had the budget for. And the Rank A sketch ended up being used for a setpiece in Luigi Circuit.
Additionally:
In Mario Party 3, Waluigi's Island is supposed to be an island that Luigi lived on.
But Waluigi demolished his house and took over the island.
Perhaps this is when Luigi moves into Mario's house and the expansion for the Paper Mario series occurs
thin hatch
Maybe Luigi chooses to stay with mario sometimes even if he has a house - guy seems like he has seperation anxiety
toxic halo
If that's true, now that he's got Polterpup I'm guessing he doesn't as often anymore
thin hatch
True !
cunning gorge
Do you guys think there are real world equivalents to the paper characters?
clear remnant
I do think mario is a real person yeah
cunning gorge
No I mean like
Like how there’s main universe Bowser and then Paper Bowser
Do you think it works in reverse for Paper Mario exclusive characters
austere olive
personally i don’t think so
cunning gorge
Like would there be main universe Count Bleck or Goombella
In the regular 3D universe
There are characters in the main universe with paper versions. But do you guys think there are paper characters with main universe equivalents
That is the question
mellow canopy
No
visual bluff
I dont think so personally
paper jam is just kinda confusing for me honestly that I prefer to dont think about it deeply that much
austere olive
i just think “paper and flesh games are two separate worlds”
visual bluff
yeah
vivid trench
the classic paper mario games weren't made with a paper world and a regular world in mind
visual bluff
Yeah, that too
austere olive
and if there are any weird inconsistencies like the floating castle in super circuit i chalk it up to … yeah that
cunning gorge
i just think “paper and flesh games are two separate worlds”
Flesh games 😭
austere olive
its what the paper people would call it
cunning gorge
Yeah man I love the flesh Mario universe
Actually you do have a point-
“Woah this world is so weird it’s all fleshy”
Imagine an alternate universe where Paper Mario was the standard and it had a spin-off RPG series called Flesh Mario 💀
WAIT
If the Paper universe is contained inside a magic book
Wtf would the flesh universe be contained inside.... 0-0
austere olive
cartridge
outer bloom
no one ever talks about how in lm2 when the ghosts turn good they regain their pupils but the polter pup in lm3 doesn’t have them anymore and when the ghosts turn good they don’t get pupils either
cunning gorge
Yeah no that bothers me too
outer bloom
maybe it’s just a little redesign standpoint choice but it’s kinda funny how the eyes are emphasized twice in the beginning and at the end
vivid trench
the eyes appear when the dark moon is restored
so maybe the ghosts only get eyes when they're close enough to it
polterpup is too far from it to be affected so it doesn't get pupils
toxic halo
Do you guys think there are real world equivalents to the paper characters?
yes, the Paper World in Paper Jam is framed as basically as a mirror to the real world, with the only main difference being that everything is paper
The classic paper games are referenced both in Real World and Paper games, and Mainline Mario Adventures are referenced throughout the entire paper series.
Meaning at least up until the point of Sticker Star, all adventures happened in both worlds.
clear remnant
We also see Star Spirits and Goomboss in Flesh Mario
Albeit Goomboss is changed from a normal transformed Goomba to a Goomba king
So take from that what you will
vivid trench
well they never describe goomboss's origin so it could still be the same
toxic halo
The classic paper games are referenced both in Real World and Paper games, and M...
Furthermore, I don't think it's too big of a stretch to believe that games like Sticker Star could've occurred in the real world as well.
Really the biggest issue is Color Splash, because of how integral paint being a life-force of the world is pushed.
It has parallels to how the magic paint in Sunshine works, but it's obviously not the same.
Could possibly be just a Prism Island thing, but it's not as easy to hand-wave as Origami King, or especially Sticker Star are.
toxic halo
no one ever talks about how in lm2 when the ghosts turn good they regain their p...
Okay so here's my justification:
The Dark Moon does not "Make the ghosts good," it merely prevents them from being controlled.
This is supported by LM3, where once King Boo's jewel is destroyed, the ghosts are no longer under his control.
The Dark Moon calms the ghosts, but King Boo's gem seems to rile them up and make them go haywire. Without the calming effects of the Dark Moon, they can't control themselves.
By the point of LM3, Polterpup have become loyal enough to Luigi to not need the Dark Moon to protect him from King Boo's influence.
Luigi's House is close enough to Evershade Valley to have the influence of the Dark Moon, and hence why Polterpup has pupils in the ending scene
There is likely some minor retconning regarding the Dark Moon involved too
runic raptor
Donkey Mommyyy~ 😩
This is one of the first messages I see while I was trying to find that Paper Mario discussion in this thread 
runic raptor
Do you think it works in reverse for Paper Mario exclusive characters
Anyways...
Characters like Count Bleck and Dimentio, I wouldn't say they exist in the Mario main universe lol
I just can't really imagine how would that work out because the Fleshverse is a further far cry from the usual, especially with how it doesn't even contain powerful artifacts like the hearts
Even many of Super Paper Mario's designs look like it'd fit in Just Shapes & Beats instead of the main 3D Mario universe
And then there's this one more question I've been more puzzled about... do you even think elements and entities from 3D Land and 3D World exist in the Paper Mario universe?
Like, those are not frequently seen besides Draggadon in Color Splash (which is from Captain Toad's own game and a closest facsimile to a 3D World element appearing in the Paperverse) and Stingby in Origami King (which is the only 3D Land element I've seen)
I'd assume in my headcanon they also exist in the same way, just never involved a lot in the games. Paper Biddybuds would be awesome honestly.
thin hatch
I just can't really imagine how would that work out because the Fleshverse is a ...
We don't know that for sure because pure hearts are multidimensonal anyway
Anyway this particular topic is prime " I headcanon what I please" territory
toxic halo
no reason to believe that 3D Land/3D World elements don't exist other than that they haven't shown up much. Which if the case would apply to a lot of things.
Dimentio and Count Bleck look weird because they are from other dimensions. SPM has no influence on the rest of the PM series, which goes alongside the different dimensional stuff
thin hatch
Yeah! Like none of SPM takes place IN the main mario dimension
Sure the hell of the main mario dimension
outer bloom
has there ever been an instance of a mainline mario game referencing the alpha dream rpgs ?
gonna assume that’s a fat no right
clear remnant
I don’t think so
visual bluff
yeah it is a fat no
shy bobcat
skinny no
visual bluff
tall no
outer bloom
short no
buoyant turtle
The ice flower first debuted in Partners in Time before appearing in Galaxy/NSMBW
But other than that, no
Not in mainline, at least
toxic halo
It depends on whether you consider Luigi's Mansion "mainline"
because obviously it's a spin-off, but a lot of people like to see it as being main in the same vein
lusty jackal
Well sunshine directly alludes to it in multiple ways
vivid trench
well it just references e. gadd
rather the lore hinges on gadd
there's a reference to the poltergust in hotel delfino
outer bloom
luigi’s mansion is canon to the same timeline as any mainline mario game
to me at least
toxic halo
yes
runic raptor
The ice flower first debuted in Partners in Time before appearing in Galaxy/NSMB...
I do remember it actually debuted years before PiT
In freaking Super Mario-kun of all places
Which is an official manga
thin hatch
Mario Kun has crossed over a lot of things
cunning gorge
So, I imagine Crafted World isn’t canon?
Because at the end it looks like they return to the actual Yoshi’s Island. In New Island apparently from what I remember, they left the OG Island since Bowser set up shop there.
cunning gorge
Plus, DS is weird, too. I never played it but from my understanding, Mario and Luigi along with all the babies get to their homes, but yet again in New Island, they were apparently at the wrong house?
But wasn’t the wrong house thing like the one from the OG game??
Nintendo fix your Yoshi lore??
Unless the timeline is OG > New > DS
thin hatch
Plus, DS is weird, too. I never played it but from my understanding, Mario and L...
It could have been done again
The stork has no buisness doing its job
cunning gorge
So they were at the wrong house twice
Maybe I should just play DS idk
Or at least look up like the cutscenes
buoyant turtle
Unless the timeline is OG > New > DS
That’s explicitly the correct order
It’s shown at the beginning of YNI
buoyant turtle
Because at the end it looks like they return to the actual Yoshi’s Island. In Ne...
The Yoshi’s from YNI are a different clan, Bowser set up shop on Egg Island
thin hatch
So they were at the wrong house twice
At least
thin hatch
I thought there was two mixups in the original
buoyant turtle
Kamek steals the babies from the sky in the original
And they’re delivered to a house at the end
Which is later retconned by New Island into being the wrong house
So they’re taken away and Kamek steals them from the sky again
And then they’re delivered to the correct house
thin hatch
Oh! I thought something else happened in thenoriginal yoshi's island but guess my memory is off
Wow this stork is Bad
cunning gorge
Okay so I watched the DS opening cutscene
Kamek steals the bros out of their house
(Ayy lets go Leaf rank)
So the timeline seems to be
Yoshi’s Island > Yoshi’s move to New Island after bowser sets up shop > oh no wrong house > Yoshi’s New Island > yay right house > Yoshi’s move back to old island since bowser is no longer there ig > DS
And then from there Mario’s family moved to new donk, time skip, arcade stuff, then SMB1 ect ect
thin hatch
Also DS is weird because there's some time travel but not anything relevant to this discussion
cunning gorge
New Island has it too.
And PiT
Jesus why is there so much of it 💀
mario’s time machine
buoyant turtle
Yoshi’s Island > Yoshi’s move to New Island after bowser sets up shop > oh no wr...
The Yoshi’s don’t move
It’s a different clan of Yoshis
Bowser was never in Yoshi’s Island
He only had his vacation castle or something in Egg Island
cunning gorge
I could’ve sworn New Island said that the Yoshis moved to New Island..??
buoyant turtle
Alright so I looked into it and they say it’s a second home to the Yoshi Clan, which doesn’t make much sense imo unless it’s referring to the Yoshi species as a whole
Or that the Yoshi Clan spans both islands
Because it doesn’t make sense for them to be the same individuals
There is no reason for them to leave Yoshi’s Island in the first game, and also the New Yoshis we’re currently already preoccupied with finding Baby Bowser’s castle and didn’t recognize Baby Mario
toxic halo
So, I imagine Crafted World isn’t canon?
Yeah Crafted World isn't canon.
It's framed as being made up by kids at a daycare. With levels being made up of literal crafts and packaging from different products. You can even see the classrooms in the background of a lot of levels.
quartz charm
What about Woolly World? I kept expecting some grand reveal at the end of the game that the whole world was just someone's arts-and-crafts project, but that reveal never came.
toxic halo
Woolly World's story hinges on the fact that everything is made of wool so it can't be canon I don't think.
cunning gorge
Yeah Crafted World isn't canon.
It's framed as being made up by kids at a dayca...
Yeah, because it looked like it took place in a house or something (and also literally all of the other visuals lol) I figured it wasn’t canon. I thought maybe the story was still canon tho? Like we’re seeing a canon story told with the crafted art style. But maybe not.
toxic halo
nah probably not
the packaging and products likely are though. And many are from Mario Kart and such
thin hatch
Now we must ask; is it a daycare in the mario universe
toxic halo
It's framed as one
thin hatch
Makes sense !
runic raptor
Woolly World's story hinges on the fact that everything is made of wool so it ca...
Also like I think Kamek acted like Yin-Yarn in a sense?
I'm not really keen on the story so correct me if I'm wrong
minor delta
he unravels the yoshis but they were already made of yarn
cunning gorge
Uhh okay so idk why I was told to come here with this since it’s not even mario lore 💀 but uhhh
Spongebob is canonically 36.
Dude was born in 1986
toxic halo
SpongeBob is the same age as Ash Ketchum
cunning gorge
Damn he’s 36??
modest pollen
Nah bro CLEARLY he was born 2012 smh my head 😠😠😠😤😤😤
clear remnant
so like
what’s...what’s the deal with peachette. in-universe
Is there any explanation as to why the Super Crown makes Toadette into an imitation of a separate person? Does she imitate her consciously? Why does it only work on her?
rose birch
maybe that's how the mushroom kingdom gets a new princess
toxic halo
nope, i don't believe there's any explanation
Maybe it reacts to her because she's one of the ones who discovered it? honestly have no clue
if that was the case, I wonder if Captain Toad and the other members of the Toad Brigade could use it too, lol
I doubt it though
Whoa, Toad says "Thanks for playing!" when you beat special episode? that's so cool
Would love if each Mario character spin-off series would continue using their unique goodbye messages.
You've got Mario's classic "Thank you so much for playing my game.
Luigi's LM3 "Bye everybody!"
and Captain Toad's "Thanks for Playing!"
runic raptor
Happy birthday
cunning gorge
Damn, born only a day after Naruto? This is legendary birthday week.
outer bloom
the implications of peachette make me so mad and i don’t know why
just don’t like the idea of it
thin hatch
Does every toad have a tailor made crown or is it Only Toadette who has one
clear remnant
Only Toadette
Technically wasn’t made for her as much as it seems to have been naturally formed
thin hatch
Weird!
thin hatch
I wonder why only her
toxic halo
What if her ancestor made it
and she made it for evil to pretend to be the current princess and overthrow the throne
but Toadette is just using it for fun
what if Toadette's ancestor killed Rosalina's mom
leaden hemlock
out of universe it's because they wanted both toadette and peach in nsmbu but they prioritized toadette over peach because of the existing story and cutscenes in that game
there isn't really enough to toadette so as to come up with an in universe explanation
toadette just exists
but i guess toadette is kind of like princess peach's staff too in odyssey
vivid trench
i mean this isn't the first power up that turns one character into another
leaden hemlock
what else is there
vivid trench
the hats from mario 64 ds
leaden hemlock
fucking star magic bs because the cap wearers all got kidnapped by bowser
leaden hemlock
idk it's something
like there's no real logic to the painting and star stuff in sm64
it's just fantasy stuff
vivid trench
yeah i just think the super crown is more digestible
especially since only toadette can use it
leaden hemlock
that would imply toadette is special in some way
vivid trench
she is
leaden hemlock
the crown is the only thing lending credence to that
unless you count toads looking the exact same
which lol
vivid trench
yeah
thin hatch
yeah i just think the super crown is more digestible
Please dont eat the crown
vivid trench
I don't really have to think too hard to come up with that
I think the only problem is the name
peachette is a fusion of peach and toadette but I don't think the name illustrates that as much as the japanese one does
"toadeach" would be a better name
but that looks and sounds weird
thin hatch
POADETTE
willow cape
Peachette is good option Toadette use if peach want to escape princess duties for a bit
toxic halo
Toadette uses the super crown specifically just to reach the top shelf
shy bobcat
so how do extra lives work
leaden hemlock
gameplay abstraction
shy bobcat
gameplay abstraction
shy bobcat
gameplay abstraction
what about the 1up mushroom
leaden hemlock
it doesn't exist in universe
shy bobcat
leaden hemlock
that kind of ruins the stakes in anything
toxic halo
the way 1-UP mushrooms work in the mainline titles is indeed a gameplay abstraction though
leaden hemlock
it makes sense for gameplay
not so much elsewhere though
mario and luigi die to bowser? just give them a 1-up mushroom
etc
toxic halo
if they die a 1-UP mushroom doesn't work
it's just instant recovery from being knocked out.
leaden hemlock
there's no real distinction in mario and luigi for that i mean
and idk where else the 1-up mushroom does just that
minor delta
the 1up does this only in M&L and the new PM games
toxic halo
I think if they wanna have 1-UP mushrooms in mainline titles that no longer use a lives system, they should have it basically be a Zelda Fairy or Mipha'a grace.
You can hold one and if you die, it'll be activated and recover your health. Maybe even give you a few seconds of immunity
vivid trench
The question would be how do lives work in general?
toxic halo
probably just don't
vivid trench
Who’s bringing Mario’s corpse back to the start of the level
thin hatch
An IOU to jaydees /j
leaden hemlock
undodog of course
toxic halo
Who’s bringing Mario’s corpse back to the start of the level
yeah that's the gameplay abstraction part.
In-universe he probably doesn't get knocked out in those adventures
vivid trench
Oh so undodog is like polterpup
lusty jackal
Who’s bringing Mario’s corpse back to the start of the level
Eario
toxic halo
yeah that's the gameplay abstraction part.
In-universe he probably doesn't get ...
or if he does, he doesn't get sent back to the beginning. He starts where he was knocked out.
leaden hemlock
if they were to actually have a character bring mario back to life from death or touching 1px of lava they'd make it a new character
minor delta
i forget how this went last time it was discussed
leaden hemlock
instead of an old one
minor delta
but SPM mentioned the existence of an afterlife and lives being a real concept
thin hatch
but SPM mentioned the existence of an afterlife and lives being a real concept
Which is hilarious
minor delta
If You Choose To Accept It lives could just be a real concept that just... exist as a sort of literal version of cats having 9 lives
thin hatch
It lets so much fucked up stuff exist just by saying game over instead of die
toxic halo
Lives could just be slang for 1-UPs. And maybe they got knocked out in a wrong place without any extra 1-UPs, and couldn't recover.
reminder that Mario probably would've died in PM64 if Eldstar didn't try to help, and the Goomba sister didn't find him.
--
I'd assume maybe 1-UP mushrooms act like life shrooms in Paper Mario, but don't activate immediately? Like someone else can manually feed it to them, but if not, it activates when it detects...something
thin hatch
Energy? Determination to Not Die?
same principal of how Wario just chooses to shrug off being set on fire and stuff - that weird willpower
Mario just needs an item to utilize it
That would explain a lot of things
If every mario character works on a level of like extreem half orc resilience
shy bobcat
the way 1-UP mushrooms work in the mainline titles is indeed a gameplay abstract...
always imagined lives as just something that commonly existed in the mario universe that nobody questioned
too late to take it back now lmoa
cunning gorge
I really think the whole lives-game over thing is just for gameplay.
It’s not like Link canonically gets “hearts” in BOTW and comes back just fine after falling or drowning.
Maybe.
buoyant turtle
yeah, that aspect of restarting when dying doesnt make sense
but I believe 1-Ups act more as life saving medicine, like depicted in M&L
you feed one to a bro who has been knocked out, they get healed
outer bloom
but I believe 1-Ups act more as life saving medicine, like depicted in M&L
YUP
no one actually dies in the mario universe they just KO for a while
toxic halo
generally yes, but sometimes people do die
typically just villains in RPG games though
rip Hooktail 💀
thin hatch
I wonder - i think i mentioned this before-
If like 1-ups and lives are like a vitality thing-
Like exaggerated adrenaline sort of deal
The whole fantasy resisting death through just pure energy and willpower
That's the best way to explain why everyones fine always
toxic halo
from a lore standpoint, Fawful is deceased
clear remnant
BUT!... not fawful’s LONG LOST SON, Ernesto!
outer bloom
fawful kinda just blew up and turned into mystical dust
toxic halo
Fawful's secret best friend Mike gathering up all his dust particles to place in an urn
We can finally get that M&L game where a cult around Fawful forms and Mario & Luigi have to stop them from doing a ritual and bringing him back to life!!
might talk about that in another channel someday. Had this crazy joke idea about a cult-themed M&L game
clear remnant
yea i can buy that as an m&l plot
thin hatch
Fawful's secret best friend Mike gathering up all his dust particles to place in...
The - the karaoke machine ? /J
I feel that mike would Hate Fawful - too much of a pain in the neck
toxic halo
People would think Midbus would be part of the cult, but nah man. He knows how crazy Fawful is, and he found a new life for himself. He owns a diner and he thinks the people forming the cult are crazy to think Fawful was this awesome guy
thin hatch
Midbus becomes a mario universe mma fighter
toxic halo
Final Dungeon would be this crazy Fawful themed cathedral with disturbing Fawful imagery everywhere.
The ritual goes wrong and it brings back this horrific Fawful-like monster that you have to fight
thin hatch
I do have a dumb au where Fawful does live but he's this shadowy Goo Monster
cunning gorge
Prequel?
Or maybe an in-universe fawful fanatic does some ritual to revive him like some Kirby star allies shit lmao
shrewd socket
Remember in the super show intro
When they got sucked down a bath tub drain
And ended up in the mushroom kingdom
I like to think of that as their origin
Like they were born in real life usa Brooklyn New York fixing pipes doing their plumber jobs and also where the events of the arcade games took place
And then a warp zone appeared in the real world and they got sucked into the magical world of the mushroom kingdom were they would live the rest of their lives in
What do you guys think about this?
buoyant turtle
If that was ever their origin I’m pretty sure their modern origins is just that except it’s from New Donk City instead of NYC
And they were born in the Mushroom Kingdom, before moving to NYC
thin hatch
Because nintendo retconned them
buoyant turtle
I'm not sure why they would be born in the mushroom kingdom first though
Because they showed it in Yoshi’s Island
thin hatch
I think an easy way to interpret them being from brooklyn ( retconned into new donk)
Is thinking " New donk probably has a brooklyn"
buoyant turtle
It probably does
Maybe not the same name
But ultimately I don’t think it matters much
thin hatch
i like that a lot
shrewd socket
Because they showed it in Yoshi’s Island
Would yoshis island be considered canon?
Didn't nintendo say that luigi was Mario's younger brother
In yoshis Island luigi was born on the same day mario was
rose birch
he was born 2 seconds after mario
vivid trench
more like two days or so
mario emerged from the bag that the stork was carrying before luigi did from his
shrewd socket
In yoshis Island ds they both came in the same bag
vivid trench
either way twins always have one who's older and one who's younger
vivid trench
yeah new donk is distinct from mushroom kingdom
buoyant turtle
Would yoshis island be considered canon?
Yes
rose birch
Would yoshis island be considered canon?
yeah, it's smw2 after all
buoyant turtle
And new donk is not part of the mushroom kingdom universe right
It’s in their planet, like a separate country
thin hatch
Yoshi's island is great ; it's the reptile nanny game
cunning gorge
If you think about it, Mario and Luigi having Italian accents shouldn’t be canonically possible. The only place in their world that is even remotely like Italy at all is luncheon and we see that no humans live there, or even should live there as there’s no houses, so the Bros parents can’t be from there to get the Italian accent to pass onto the bros.
Unless there’s something I’m missing
toxic halo
Delfino is also Italy inspired
cunning gorge
See, of course there was something I was missing
toxic halo
And it's always possible there's some part of Luncheon we don't know about that has Human settlements.
Guessing the people in the village in the Mushroom Kingdom that Mario was born into were originally from Luncheon or some other Italy inspired place.
cunning gorge
Bruh I was also gonna say that I’d been wondering where tf all the humans in the mushroom kingdom went
But then I remembered that there were multiple baby kidnappings and a fucking alien invasion 😭
I guess literally every human family decided to dip, huh
toxic halo
At least Mario's lol.
I would love to see one of the human villages again in a future game.
we need more human characters in general.
one thing to think about --
Mario and Wario were friends as kids. Were they friends in the Mushroom Village? Or New Donk? Or maybe even both? Maybe both their families moved at the same time.
Both Mario and Wario have Italian accents as well
cunning gorge
Wario’s house can be seen in Yoshi’s Island DS right?
I guess we just look to see if it’s a mushroom house or not
Or maybe
Idk
It depends on how soon after the alien invasion Mario’s family left
Because they could’ve left when they were still babies
Which is what I assume since adult Mario has no memory of the mushroom kingdom
toxic halo
we don't get to see Wario's house in Island DS
shrewd socket
Bruh I was also gonna say that I’d been wondering where tf all the humans in the...
That's why I think it would make sense if mario and luigi were from New donk
toxic halo
I do think Mario's family moved shortly after the invasion
cunning gorge
Probably new donk then
shrewd socket
Because that's were all the humans live
toxic halo
New Donk humans are different from Mushroom Kingdom humans
cunning gorge
I thought storks were just for the star children, but we also see storks carrying normal kids??
Is sex just not canon?
cunning gorge
What makes the star children so special then 😭
If everyone comes from a mysterious magical nowhere
cunning gorge
I thought it was because they were destined for greatness because they were the ones who came from the sky
toxic halo
nope
Stars fell at a certain time period and it's said the babies who contain the stars have immense power
So Kamek and Bowser go back in time to try to find the star children and use their power
cunning gorge
At least that kinda answers where Bowser Jr. comes from
Wait
If that’s the case
Then why did so many people make a fuss about who Jr’s mother is if we always had the answer??
😭😭😭
toxic halo
People in Mario's world wish for babies.
It's unlikely the star spirits/storks would grant Bowser's wish for a child, especially since he doesn't have a wife.
Some think maybe Bowser wished for a child while he had the star rod in PM64. So his wish had to be granted
cunning gorge
Okay good I was actually about to ask that lolol
Cuz I was like uhhh do storks just bring babies to families or do they have to ask?? 😭😭
toxic halo
all those theories that Peach secretly had a child with Bowser fall flat immediately when you look back at Yoshi's Island.
toxic halo
cunning gorge
Man Nintendo thought they were being family friendly with storks but that just raised more questions than answers
Like, if storks are the only way for most species (besides Yoshis ig) to have a child, does that mean like it’s impossible for couples to get pregnant? That would mean that human anatomy in the Mario world is different than normal.
toxic halo
from the shellsmith of course
buoyant turtle
Like where Koopa shells come from
bought from shops, some get them custom made
toxic halo
custom made from the shellsmith of course
cunning gorge
They get spares from Chris Pratt after he’s done spending hours of his life stomping.......... them.
hollow furnace
So that's how bowser's tuxedo works
thin hatch
one thing to think about --
Mario and Wario were friends as kids. Were they frie...
Wario had some interesting childhood friends
if warioware is canon then Wario's childhood friends were Mario and Jimmy T
What kinda school was that-
cunning gorge
A banger one
thin hatch
True
thin hatch
Like where Koopa shells come from
They're clothes but also they don't WORK like clothes
Like where do koopeleons get their shells they're just scuttling around in the middle of nowhere -
thin hatch
maybe it's like snails that grow shells but also they're removable ( this is a half joke)
toxic halo
Like where do koopeleons get their shells they're just scuttling around in the m...
the shellsmith of course
lusty jackal
Who could forget about the shellsmith
toxic halo
of course
outer bloom
thoughts on mario’s dad ?
cunning gorge
Just a guy
toxic halo
he sure is father
cunning gorge
Not so super Mario
vivid trench
does mario and luigi visit their parents
toxic halo
off screen around Christmas time
vivid trench
what about his weird mushroom friends
cunning gorge
off screen around Christmas time
Wait is that actually a thing
cunning gorge
Do you guys think Diamond City is in the Metro Kingdom?
that’s what the warioware city is called right 💀
lusty jackal
Hey @ question of the day! Is diamond city supposed to be Chicago or Saint Louis?
cunning gorge
Orlando
thin hatch
It's an island - i think?
I hc it's off the coast of the metro kingdom
And it's so weird and frankly concerning people refuse to acknowledge it
minor delta
diamond city is very japan-based, iirc?
buoyant turtle
Diamond City is very much cartoony and Mario-y so I doubt its in the Metro Kingdom
its not like any city is "automatically" in Metro Kingdom just by virtue of "being a city"
vivid trench
metro kingdom is only new donk city
buoyant turtle
other places are allowed to have cities
thin hatch
I just thought because there was a lot of humans
vivid trench
it's a city state
buoyant turtle
metro kingdom is only new donk city
that too
thin hatch
Hence the " could be near metro kingdom"
anyway! Diamond city probably is considered " that weird place" by mlst other countries/kingdoms in universe
cunning gorge
metro kingdom is only new donk city
Why would a Kingdom only have one city, especially with how big metro is on the map
vivid trench
because it's a big city
thin hatch
ravnica /j
vivid trench
what
thin hatch
The magic the gathering dimension that's just one city
leaden hemlock
new donk city is pretty small
thin hatch
metro kingdom is like that - i say- as a joke
leaden hemlock
there's a city right below it which would probably also be part of metro kingdom
it's like saying the entirety of the mushroom kingdom is only what you see in odyssey
which is probably true for that game but like
diamond city is japanese though
vivid trench
does japan have american football?
thin hatch
I mean diamond city can have a few out of place things like american football
Does japan have a disco scene is what I want to know
vivid trench
probably
lusty jackal
oh right i forgot that the kat & Ana stuff is in diamond city too and not the middle of nowhere
vivid trench
I think diamond city is more eclectic than just being japanese
lusty jackal
im not up to date on warioware lore im not exactly sure how its supposed to be explicitly japanese other than like kat & ana having a japanese mansion in the middle of it
it kind of just seems like Yeah a city with a bunch of different stuff going on
thin hatch
I mean dosent it have a king
vivid trench
does it?
lusty jackal
???
vivid trench
I don't remember seeing any authority figures
vivid trench
so you're saying this castle is like city hall?
thin hatch
I don't know!
We know nothing about it
For all we know it's a cultural site and nothing signficant
vivid trench
yeah so they might not have any authority
thin hatch
I think wario says the city's his a few times but also that's wario
I mean given the state of the people in diamond city- authority must be lax
vivid trench
anarchy
thin hatch
Australia is canon /j
toxic halo
new donk city is pretty small
that's just the city center, which people reach using flying taxis.
Also I wouldn't say Diamond City itself is supposed to be Japanese, but it has a Mount Fuji look-alike nearby. And if that new village from Get It Together is nearby, there's that too
toxic halo
https://twitter.com/nintendoamerica/status/1582431440301883393?s=46&t=XMWEKGBGX8...
just a joke
lusty jackal
https://twitter.com/nintendoamerica/status/1582431440301883393?s=46&t=XMWEKGBGX8...
odyssey globe fans when they see this tweet
hollow furnace
it's true. I'm crying
lusty jackal
im popping off
vivid trench
But the game still uses Odyssey’s globe for its key art
So Sydney is just somewhere on it
minor delta
mario enters its two worlds era
clear remnant
Two worlds is dead! Long live two worlds!
buoyant turtle
Why would a Kingdom only have one city, especially with how big metro is on the ...
Cappy says that the whole kingdom is one big city
minor delta
presumably there would still be different boroughs
buoyant turtle
that would make sense
runic raptor
Two worlds is dead! Long live two worlds!
Two worlds approach the roche limit
thin hatch
And Here We Are
errant carbon
Any Origami King expert? Preferably Japanese dialogue experts, I need some clarification. There's one massive implication in the Bob-omb's dialogue during the boarding Airship section.
Here is the basic translation of the Chinese script in the screenshot: "Yet, I feel like I know you from somewhere... but why?"
I believe the Chinese translation of Nintendo games are all done by the same translation team, and they mostly follow the original Japanese script, so I want to know if this line is the same in the Japanese script.
Image
This is after Olivia panicked about why are there so many Bobbys, and the Bob-omb explained that they're mass-produced bombs of the production line, there's always one to replace another. (In the English script implication)
And following this implication, the newly created Bob-omb had somehow inherited Bobby's memory, fragment as it is.
This implication is not seen anywhere in the English scripts I think.
toxic halo
For anyone wondering, we got this covered in #mario-rpgs
#mario-rpgs message
inland rose
Why is Peach the only human besides Daisy, a fatass (Wario), and the most underrated Mario character in existance? (Waluigi)
leaden hemlock
you also forget rosalina and pauline
minor delta
and mario and luigi
leaden hemlock
there is an answer to this question
inland rose
BEFORE mario and luigi got there
leaden hemlock
it's because every single noteworthy human character is a derivate of mario and peach (or mario and pauline if you will)
uh this is mario lore
oops
minor delta
i mean mario and luigi have always been there
they were born in the mushroom kingdom
inland rose
NO.
minor delta
picks my nose
leaden hemlock
they were born in the mushroom kingdom in yoshi's island
inland rose
Mario and Luigi were born in Italy and moved to Brooklyn to work as Plumbers.
leaden hemlock
where does it say they were born in italy
minor delta
#1029062121352343613 is around the corner
leaden hemlock
weren't they always italian american
minor delta
yes
inland rose
THEY'RE ITALIAN
minor delta
italian american
they are of italian descent
meaning hteir parents could be from wherever
inland rose
what did my question become
what the shet
minor delta
but mario and luigi were born and raised in brooklyn
minor delta
assuming this is the line of logic we are operating under
because this is not how the rest fo the franchise operates
this is just the old western canon that doesnt apply anymore
we know from YI that mario and luigi were born in the mushroom kingdom
them being italian is irrelevant
inland rose
If Mario and Luigi were born in an actual place, then where did Peach, Daisy, Wario, and Waluigi's ancestors come from?
They're all....
Human, right?
Well, I'm pretty sure Rosalina isn't even really....
Human tho.
so i won't include Princess Rosalina in this
Oh yea
Waluigi was born in Los Angeles
vivid trench
there are numerous pieces of media in which you have humans that don't come from the real world earth
minor delta
mario and luigi weren't born in an actual real place
the logic you're operating under is outdated, which is what ive been trying to say
inland rose
And Wario was born in Bridgerton
minor delta
they're only "real people" from the "real world" in the old american cartoons and comics
inland rose
fuck
minor delta
thats why i keep mentioning yoshi's island
minor delta
Okay
vivid trench
you mean the other way around
inland rose
wait, can somebody tell me what the FUCK the Green Power Stars are?
minor delta
power stars but green
vivid trench
in galaxy they let you access some bonus levels
inland rose
just a requirement to get to the castle levels, right?
clear remnant
Natural prey of Homo nintendonus
leaden hemlock
in some really early official internal mario guide book mario is listed as being of the homo nintendonus species
clear remnant
If I ever reference harry potter in even a neutral light i want one of you to tie me to a post and shoot me
toxic halo
Green Stars came from a green comet in Galaxy 2 and showered across the universe.
Some of which landed on Mario's planet, and that's why you collect them in 3D World
it's cool because you actually see one of the green stars raining down from the sky in Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker's ending
inland rose
oh shet
cool
inland rose
How does Bowser's Inside Story work?
Do they shrink in size if they go into Bowser's throat?
thin hatch
Yes they shrink
inland rose
How in the living name of FUCK are there monsters and living things in Bowser?
leaden hemlock
it's because he sucked a lot of them before sucking mario and luigi
inland rose
Where did they buy or get the resources to buy a FUCKING shop?
leaden hemlock
the shop came from the toads in toad town
inland rose
there's no wood inside of Bowser, right?
minor delta
when he ate the vacuum mushroom bowser went around sucking up a bunch of shit
uncontrollably
clear remnant
Bowser has bones
inland rose
oh
clear remnant
Bones are basically wood
minor delta
he obviously didnt want to inhale everyone in peach's castle
especially peach
he passes out as soon as he does so
i dont even think he says anything
inland rose
huh
toxic halo
He does say something at the end, but he doesn't remember after he wakes up later
minor delta
he sucks up half a forest as soon as he eats it too
thin hatch
bowser's anatomy is befuckened
How much of its just normal cartoon anatomy and how much is from weird magic shenanigans whi knows
toxic halo
Bowser's the type of guy to eat legos as a kid and for them to just get lost in his body for years without him realizing why he feels pain if he pushes on one of his ribs
thin hatch
Bowser's the type of guy to eat legos as a kid and for them to just get lost in ...
No but do you realize how canon that is
He eats the cobalt star as a baby
he probably ate so much glass and shit
Bowser as a child loose eating all of Kamek's wizard chemicals /j
north marlin
Is new donk on earth or something
Its on the same planet as the mushroom kingdom
Is that on earth?
Or is the world its own cool new thing
thin hatch
Same planet as the mushroom kingdom
vivid trench
it's not the real world earth
it doesn't have an explicit name but it's distinct from the real world
north marlin
But at the same time mario kart tour does exist with it’s real world based tracks
thin hatch
I think that's explained as a dimension thing
north marlin
Woah
vivid trench
it's not explained
thin hatch
Oh nevermind
clear remnant
Mario Kart Tour isn’t even canon to Mario Kart
north marlin
Noted
vivid trench
it's ironic because mario kart tour has key art that uses the planet from odyssey
so maybe these real world cities also happen to exist on the same planet as the mushroom kingdom
clear remnant
This also answers the cinemasins question of “how can the mario brothers have accents if earth doesnt exist and culture is totally different meaning that any language and, subsequently, accent similar to ours would be hard to achieve?”
vivid trench
surprised there's no italy tour yet
toxic halo
Mario Kart Tour isn’t even canon to Mario Kart
it is though
leaden hemlock
it is in mario kart 8 deluxe
toxic halo
its courses even show up in MK8 now
toxic halo
surprised there's no italy tour yet
I could see Rome being one of the future ones
Vatican City Tour 
vivid trench
I can't imagine anymore world tour tours in the works
leaden hemlock
let's check the mk8dx dlc leak
north marlin
Maybe the Mario world is just another version of earth, change some continent shapes and such, add some more races that coexist with humans and said races make their own kingdoms
If that makes sense
toxic halo
pretty sure the DLC leak has a few extra that don't exist yet
north marlin
Hard to believe humans would ever co exist with other human-like species but its the maroverse ig
toxic halo
I think there are just 2 worlds. But unlike Sonic (when it had 2 worlds) it's not connected in any way, and Mario just visits it occasionally
vivid trench
well there's also no serious story surrounding them unlike for Sonic
leaden hemlock
there are three city tracks left in mario kart tour
toxic halo
pretty sure the DLC leak has a few extra that don't exist yet
And I still think we will get Cairo or something at some point.
We still haven't got a single Desert course that features pyramids like the promo art shows
leaden hemlock
only three
toxic halo
could just be Dry Dry Ruins or Yoshi Desert or something but idk why they'd highlight that on promo art that only shows irl city landmarks on it
last 3 could be Cairo, Rome, and like Rio or something
north marlin
Rio would be cool
inland rose
well, true
outer bloom
yoshi bones to appear when
clear remnant
Eerie
outer bloom
would kinda be cool
maybe return boshi
make him be the evil ruler of the yoshis
and he falls into lava like bowser in nsmb and turns into bones
clear remnant
Are the Koopalings’s current wands stolen from the Kings or did Kamek make them
thin hatch
I can personally see either , or they're just like standard issue magic wands
buoyant turtle
They are identical in color to the original wands
They would’ve had to go out of their way to remember and color match each new wand to the original or they simply stole them again
leaden hemlock
the kings don't exist in the series as it currently stands
buoyant turtle
The kings do exist in the series
leaden hemlock
not for licensors I mean
buoyant turtle
What
leaden hemlock
you won't see them brought up in any mario game unless epd decides to bring them back
buoyant turtle
Doesn’t make a difference
leaden hemlock
as such they don't exist
practically speaking
the modern story for the koopalings' wands doesn't involve the kings
because they don't exist
leaden hemlock
the same logic as the koopalings not being bowser's children
buoyant turtle
When have Nintendo explicitly stated the kings don’t exist?
leaden hemlock
they haven't but they also haven't been implied to exist at all in any games of date
buoyant turtle
The kings continue to exist regardless of their lack of appearances in modern games, as is the usual in any game series
Do you think Sprixies don’t “exist” anymore?
Or Whittles
Do only things featured in the latest game “exist”?
leaden hemlock
right what I'm saying only makes sense if you take super mario bros 3 being a stage play at face value
buoyant turtle
Which is incorrect
minor delta
i do not think this means they outright literally do not exist
just as a franchise and like super said as far as licensors care they might as well not
because they are such a speck of a thing that even ever happened that certainly wouldnt be relevant to anything ongoing anyway
buoyant turtle
I don’t care what licensors care about
leaden hemlock
you normally do because it is often the reason for contradictions
minor delta
you should on this conversation because if you dont youre misunderstanding the premise and youll just get frustrated about something not being said
buoyant turtle
The premise is asking if the Koopalings stole the wands again
minor delta
the new wands
leaden hemlock
they did in the original mario 3
nowadays well I don't even think there's
any notes on that
buoyant turtle
There isn’t
minor delta
yea
leaden hemlock
yeah but that means nothing
buoyant turtle
So they either were careful enough to remake them or they stole them again
minor delta
its not likely theyre rhe original kings wands because from a franchise perspective the kings are irrelevant
buoyant turtle
Doesn’t matter
minor delta
it does matter because its what super is saying lol
its a different approach to answering the question
leaden hemlock
yeah
buoyant turtle
And what they’re saying doesn’t pertain to the channel
minor delta
it can inform what lore there is to make
we can assume logistically the kings are not involved here
lusty jackal
Basically they haven't been acknowledged for Forever so it's debatable if they even exist outside of smb3
buoyant turtle
Yeah ok sure, “Why was Han Solo frozen in carbonite?” “Because Harrison Ford hadn’t signed on for the sequel”
lusty jackal
It's like saying Stanley the bug man is canon
leaden hemlock
as far as the new games are concerned they definitely aren't
minor delta
which is an arguably stronger basis than trying to make up a story reason for this to be the case
leaden hemlock
but then like
buoyant turtle
It's like saying Stanley the bug man is canon
He is
minor delta
Yeah ok sure, “Why was Han Solo frozen in carbonite?” “Because Harrison Ford had...
youre looking at this as an end all be all answer
buoyant turtle
Absence of modern appearances has never meant something ceased to exist
thin hatch
Mario lore is afaik all of the games conbied
minor delta
it isnt. but its a lens with which to speculate on a better one in universe
leaden hemlock
Mario lore is afaik all of the games conbied
but the games aren't made to connect with every single game
lusty jackal
It's like saying Stanley the bug man is canon
Or Mario bros for the game and watch
thin hatch
Things cease to be mentioned because they cease to be relevant
buoyant turtle
Or Mario bros for the game and watch
Why wouldn’t it be
leaden hemlock
the land games don't connect to anything
minor delta
if the kings are irrelevant, then we can infer that they arent how the koopalings got their new wands, ergo, they got them some other way
buoyant turtle
Things cease to be mentioned because they cease to be relevant
Which doesn’t mean they cease to exist
lusty jackal
Because Nintendo has made no effort to connect them to anything for the past 30 something years
buoyant turtle
Existence is not tied to relevancy
thin hatch
if the kings are irrelevant, then we can infer that they arent how the koopaling...
Do the koopalings for sure even have new wands
Zelda 1 still exists in zelda canon depsite never being mentioned
this is the same concept as that
leaden hemlock
well drako think about it like this
minor delta
Do the koopalings for sure even *have* new wands
yes
leaden hemlock
imagine paper mario sticker star 4 got released and it had the koopalings again
minor delta
they get returned to each king in smb3