WHAT
#Illumination Mario Movie
fast elbow
these motherfuckers didnt notice
bitter acorn
unplayable
urban root
wdym @ apple pattern
fast elbow
but these guys did
bitter acorn
white jungle
I will never get over this games artstyle why does he look like that
fast elbow
wdym @ apple pattern
it's a circle with a leaf on top, supposed to look like the apples on yoshis house in smw
urban root
its not
fast elbow
what is it then
frigid ingot
it's just shading
urban root
its jsut a circle connecting to the same little shine thats on every bump
frigid ingot
i mean lighting
peak pulsar
urban root
it looks like an apple by coincidence
peak pulsar
probably
frigid ingot
yeah it's nowhere else
urban root
yea that shine is on every bump
bitter acorn
apples are a yoshis island reference hell yeah
peak pulsar
there's that stray leaf though that looks like a stem
urban root
its
fast elbow
oh ur right im insane
urban root
Literally look at the other bumps
peak pulsar
there's that stray leaf though that looks like a stem
poking off the left side of the tree
urban root
there's that stray leaf though that looks like a stem
its on the top left of every one of the tree bumps
fast elbow
i saw some exits in the game have no pattern but this one does and i assumed it was inetntional
peak pulsar
true
fast elbow
i only thought abt it bc of the mario kart thing
peak pulsar
Super Nintendo World has apples at least
peak pulsar
cool how they mostly used SMW influence foe Yoshi's house in the course
white jungle
I can’t believe they dont even have a creative name for them they’re just regular ass apples
peak pulsar
with the mailbox, apples, and chimney
they should've had the little colored birds though
dreamy tartan
They’re called Berries also sometimes
fossil bison
mario kart 8 calls them fruit
dreamy tartan
mario kart 8 calls them fruit
just like me...
bitter acorn
yoshi apple team
urban root
free joke for the smw movie: back of luigis phone has a yoshi berry logo
not smw movie
sorry i was living in a better world for a second
peak pulsar
Me at the restaurant:
"Yeah can I have the fruit cup?"
**waiter returns with a comically large plate, featuring miniature versions of Amsterdam, Riverside Park, DK Summit, and Yoshi's Island
white jungle
Should of been yoshi’s apple instead of yoshi’s cookie…
fossil bison
what would a super mario world movie be
urban root
awesome
fossil bison
same shit but different place
urban root
Beautiful
frigid ingot
it would be an extended cut of mama luigi
peak pulsar
"Welcome to Jurassic Park" scene except its "Welcome to Dinosaur Land"
fossil bison
then you see oogtar
bitter acorn
chris pratt tames a wild yoshi
fossil bison
the movie is ruined
urban root
the beautiful game of super mario world
peak pulsar
DINO BUNGA DUDES
bitter acorn
frigid ingot
i wish dic made a cartoon based on yoshi's island
fossil bison
you're evil
peak pulsar
that would've been crazy
fossil bison
you're an evil person shouty
peak pulsar
reverse Mama Luigi
urban root
has anyone ever made like a fake screencap of that or something
fast elbow
free joke for the smw movie: back of luigis phone has a yoshi berry logo
i'd like that
peak pulsar
Would Baby Mario have a mustache
bitter acorn
would it be funny for him to
peak pulsar
would Baby versions of Peach and Toad be there too?
bitter acorn
what if baby mario always wore one of those fake mustaches cuz he always wanted one
peak pulsar
Would it be Kamek or the great Wizardheimer?
urban root
theyd probably really dumb down the plot of YI for a dic cartoon
white jungle
I dont wanna imagine baby mario speaking full sentences
urban root
mario and luigi would probably both be there
toad isnt in smw so good news there
i figure baby mario and luigi would look similar enough to their actual game designs just through the ol dic lens
peak pulsar
Bowser and Kamek would live on Yoshi's Island, constantly scheming.
Each Yoshi would have a different personality and role in the group.
Baby Maeio and Baby Luigi would be babysat by the Yoshis for the duration of the show.
white jungle
I would of killed for wario to be in a dic show
The plumbing school frame doesn’t count
peak pulsar
Maybe the finale would randomly break off of the episodic nature and show the bros in Brooklyn, reminiscing about when the Yoshis finally beat Kamek and brought them home to Brooklyn.
urban root
is it equally fucked up knowing there was an actual mega man X episode of ruby spears mega man
fast elbow
The plumbing school frame doesn’t count
i like the plumbing school shit for predicting wario and i like 1993 mario movie predicting the shifting sand land entrance and i like the 1986 mario anime predicting throwing bowser by his tail and also getting items from inside clams and also airships
white jungle
They almost predicted waluigi too
fossil bison
some manga predicted waluigi
frigid ingot
Yoshi would just go through the real world trying to rescue the baby marios
No actual Yoshi’s Island location
dreamy tartan
toad isnt in smw so good news there
#OogtarSweep
frigid ingot
But itd still be a relay between different Yoshis on different continents
fast elbow
the 86 movie also predicted something else i think sombrero mario but thats like nothing
riding lakitu's cloud too
fossil bison
mario was always supposed to ride lakitu's cloud
fast elbow
yea
peak pulsar
isn't there concept art of it?
fast elbow
mhm
white jungle
No way they knew that tho
fast elbow
im sure they did (have access to development material)
fossil bison
it wouldn't be out of the question
fossil bison
they were most likely given concept art
fast elbow
the more surprising thing to me was basically the airship scene
while its not a bowser airship it was just like
white jungle
They predicted gooper blooper in a way too
fast elbow
"this is current mario iconography that didnt even exist when this film was made"
peak pulsar
I remember liking to rewatch this super show episode over and over as a kid. But I always thought, and still think Lakitu is so ugly lol
fossil bison
the super show is so ugly
peak pulsar
not sure which is worse though
fast elbow
supershow had me calling cheep cheeps "trouters" for the longest time
peak pulsar
super show goombas are great
fossil bison
i only watched the mario 3 cartoon as a kid
white jungle
not sure which is worse though
This is a bird
fossil bison
i watched pirated dvd copies of it
fast elbow
the super show is so ugly
its so much less ugly than the later showsw
fossil bison
i would be surprised
fast elbow
snifit guns is so smart
dreamy tartan
police and goombas DO have a lot in common
white jungle
Super show was pretty creative at times huh
peak pulsar
I loved Super Show Ostros
I think this is better than their official design
would love to ride around on one in a sandbox game
fast elbow
maybe you disagree but supershow to me has a lot of decently appealing drawings @fossil bison
fast elbow
while i cant fucking stand any drawing in the other cartoons
peak pulsar
the stuff they did with Tweeter was wild
peak pulsar
SMW is especially bad
fast elbow
i mean its cherry picked im sure SMB3 has SOME good drawings
smw is trash tho
idek if this is real but i feel like it is
white jungle
Super show Mario and Luigi’s proportions were perfect imo
I love how they look at times
peak pulsar
Super Show has the best quality.
AoSMB3 isn't as good, but it has a unique feel that makes it still feel fun.
SMW is really bad lol
the in-house animated intro is freaking fantastic though
white jungle
Smw show is so bad its funny i dont have it in me to hate it
white jungle
I hate the random cavemen
fast elbow
i remember as a kid the smw show impressed me cuz they were actually hitting blocks and getting powerups
supershow mario is a good design
fast elbow
peach is SO good there
peak pulsar
white jungle
Ik im in a minority when i say this but i think yoshis voice was good, its how id imagine him speaking if he actually spoke full sentences
peak pulsar
I think his voice was fine, it was mostly the way he acted that was kinda annoying
Oogtar meanwhile...
Adventures of Super Mario Bros 3 is my favorite show overall. I also love the visual identity, even if it's worse quality than the Super Show
white jungle
This one is so fucked up
dreamy tartan
I’m a 90’s Yoshi Girl first and foremost but um. smw show yoshi is the exception
fossil bison
i was looking for something else i just found this
fast elbow
you know
we've talked so much abt
mario movie and its Supposed (innevitable) sequel
but
i feel like we've barely touched upon
yoshi
like im sure its come up but
white jungle
Hes for the sequel
fast elbow
duh
but how will it establish yoshi as like
the thing
this movie could've had yoshi kidnapped with luigi instead of lumalee, but they didnt
white jungle
Yeah im scared its gunna be a yoshis island thing
fast elbow
im just thinking what plot will mario 2 be to really make yoshi a focus
they have so many main chars already
fast elbow
mario rides a kart in 1... why does he need a yoshi in 2..
white jungle
Well the kart gets destroyed anyways
fast elbow
point #37 as to why i hate mario kart being a Thing in the universe
dreamy tartan
Mario lands on Yoshi’s Island. He sees a gaggle of Yoshis looking at him and goes “...awww.” Then the Yoshis immediately bare their fangs and roar so Mario screams and runs away
white jungle
Praying Yoshi doesn’t talk
They can make him the marketable pet character all they want but pls do not let him speak
peak pulsar
mario rides a kart in 1... why does he need a yoshi in 2..
EMP
fossil bison
it's 3 am i'm out
peak pulsar
bye bye
fast elbow
gn
peak pulsar
have some Mario themed dreams to share
fossil bison
white jungle
😈🐯
plain apex
So far all of the reviews have made it sound like how I expected the film to be
plain apex
Because usually the point of a review is to tell people if they should see it
stark igloo
yeah but i think people give reviews way too much power
and honestly, isn’t a review just someone expressing their own opinions about a piece of media ? why does it need to dictate if someone watches a movie/tv show or not
it seems moreso like “these are the merits of a piece of media, this is what it does right and this is what it does wrong”
a review shouldn’t be law
vital viper
When the nostalgia critic reviews it it WILL be law
urban root
its going to be really annoying when this movie is more favorable to what fans want and then other movies get dogged on by comparison
literally keys being jingled
its not even that mario will be bad or anything but people will take any opportunity to be fucking annoying when comparing things
peak pulsar
I woke up this morning yo my Twitter timeline blown up with spoilers
which is really fricking annoying
urban root
ugh
peak pulsar
they were all retweeted ORTed from the same guy who was freaking out and talking about everything they saw.
Only saw some minor stuff about kongs, like 4 seconds of Cranky's voice. But I quickly unfollowed them when I realized it wasn't from a trailer and that there were loads more screenshots and clips they were retweeting
plain apex
Damn
vital viper
Who's the guy retweeting them just to make sure I'm not following them
peak pulsar
you probably aren't following them
it's this user named Owen with a pink profile picture.
vital viper
Probably not then
floral notch
stark igloo
its not even that mario will be bad or anything but people will take any opportu...
for seriously no reason
vital viper
heh heh heh... peep THIS sonic fans!!!
stark igloo
i’m already seeing the “THIS IS WHY THE MARIO MOVIE IS BETTER THAN THE SONIC MOVIE: A THREAD”
like please i am@begging everyone to not be weird it’s children movies
plain apex
It’s just a fun family film at the end of the day
stark igloo
yeah
plain apex
Which is how Mario media should be
livid stream
https://twitter.com/OMinecraftera/status/1642517881454985218?t=bjs61oxFmNa1kJBY1...
I was just about to post that
Insane coinky doinky
simple wasp
they dont and they do rely on wikis
urban root
not surprising
fossil bison
nintendo insider blm
urban root
its very common fandom thought to believe that all companies just have these Loremasters and easy access to all of their previous works just up in the air for all employees
but thats so ridiculously unrealistic
simple wasp
Even successful mobile games like Fire Emblem Heroes suffer from this, with writers being expected to research characters via fan wikis due to an overall lack of documentation. While there are copy editors on hand to enforce style and consistency, the process is often disorganized, making the feeling of being relegated to the B-team that much more acute
from last year
granted im not sure if this applies to Every dev team at nintendo
urban root
id be surprised if any studio had a really thorough wiki or archive that people can freely check into
unless its like
WoW
plain apex
Thinking about how a lot of the negative impressions so far have said that the Mario iconography is mostly flavor dressing in the film, how important do you think it should be in a movie
stark igloo
i mean it’s a mario movie ?? what exactly are people expecting
plain apex
Like if having it be Mario really helps a movie medium at all
urban root
i think its worth flipping the criticism on its head here
plain apex
Alright then
urban root
because mario is the framing of the story its trying to tell
inevitably, in a good story, what makes it exist as a piece of htat franchise will basically be set dressing
because that's kind of literally what that means, it's not like a "mario story" is a straightforward prompt
like what kind of "storytelling" feels like mario
to me it speaks more to the idea that this movie isn't going to be saying anything new or interesting
it is a perfectly serviceable movie, with mario
plain apex
Right
urban root
it probably also means what elements there are to play with aren't actually given much narrative meaning
powerups are probably just powerups
instead of being used to convey some kind of other meaning
admittedly thats probably why most other movie stories tend to avoid their respective series' powerups
sonic's rings are totally repurposed
plain apex
I didn’t think they’d be any more than fun set pieces anyway
urban root
its not a really surprising criticism
but thats ultimately why stuff like this isnt going to be treated as "art"
goes without saying that all the people going crazy about this movie being at the oscars are, being crazy, but as a movie it's not going to be better than any movie with something to say
even though spiderverse is another entry in a huge media franchise, spiderverse... has something to say
even during speculation people were thinking What if mario like... Makes it so mario getting better... Is like you getting better at the games!
which is just the heroes journey
its pretty funny that at the end of the day
everything that's ever been said about this movie was right
plain apex
inevitably, in a good story, what makes it exist as a piece of htat franchise wi...
It was mainly this that got me to mention this question in the first place
urban root
fans arent gonna give a shit about this criticism because for the most part it's not what they're here for
they wanna see the keys being jingled
which is a mean way of putting it but its true!
speaks a whole lot that the main criticism with sonic is that there aren't enough keys being jingled
plain apex
Honestly I’m more glad that the base characters and their traits are being utilized in a slightly more story-centric way than how many keys they try to jingle
stuck ridge
I just want the movie to be a really fun time, ngl
urban root
i think if they wanted to have a more compelling story it should've been about the bros
plain apex
Yeah
urban root
but the fact that it's not means it is probably just a very predictable narrative
plain apex
Most people have been able to (very likely) correctly predict the whole thing as soon as the second trailer dropped
I also wonder how differently casual audiences will approach this compared to say, any random Mario game they pick up
dreamy tartan
Probably with their feet
plain apex
Perhaps I’m just a fool for expecting or wanting more reasons for this movie existing besides the most important and basic one
To be a new way to make money
fast elbow
i think if they wanted to have a more compelling story it should've been about t...
what i wanted...
urban root
To be a new way to make money
its not that serious
you keep trying to find meaning in everything when sometimes it's just not that complicated or serious
it would've been cool if this movie only used mario as a vehicle to make a point
but then it wouldn'tve been made by illumination
fast elbow
The movies plot being predictable
Won't be an issue
Kids movies with something to say is rare
(I felt like Puss and Boots 2 actually did and was surprised!)
plain apex
It’s more that it’s almost always very simple
fast elbow
My hope is that the characters are fleshed out enough that they feel like characters
and not just mouth pieces for jokes
A simple narrative can be carried by characters that feel alive
fast elbow
for sure
urban root
a Super Mario movie being High Art is itself a tall order
plain apex
You’ll have ones with more of an actual theme like Megamind, but then you have very simple ones that are mostly a vessel for fun antics like Trolls
urban root
no matter who made it
as it turns out most original stories tend ot be hte ones with shit to say
which is why theyre original
fast elbow
the reviews complaining about the plot seem to not like it though, like uhh i dont know if anybody was expecting high art
idk
plain apex
I guess if some people do it could be because the games it’s based on have multiple entries often brought up in the conversation of “best games of all time”, so they’d expect something more
It’s not a very well thought out argument, I know, but it’s something I’ve come back to a couple times
plain apex
That’s why I didn’t necessarily say they were and more that they were among the best
urban root
they're prestigious examples of impressive conventional game design
plain apex
Because it’s a lowest common denominator brand
But in some ways that makes them more interesting than games that go out of their way to be art
Not that it really matters with this discussion though
fast elbow
i feel like the truth of what people want, at least what im realizing i want, is to see the characters interact with each other and it to feel sorta real. and also true to the crumbs we have already. like it's not really about (maybe partially) "New York, ahh I remmeber that being Mario's lore in my childhood!" it's moreso "New York! that's a good outlet to give the characters some relatability to the audience : ) "
You mention keys jiggling and it's definitely true 90% of people will be satisfied with that. I just wonder if the "shallow plot" complaints from comes from the fact they're just critics so they can't enjoy a kids movie for being a kids movie, or if it's moreso a response to the characters being nothing and how the jokes are boring and from teen titans go and despicable me. like im not sure anybody went into the mario movie expecting something to be said, maybe they expected Spiderverse but idk
plain apex
A simple narrative can be carried by characters that feel alive
That’s what I would want the most in this situation
Ironically I feel like you could say more with these characters if you just did a plot in one of the actual games
Cause you already have seasoned characters, so it’s possible to say something interesting or recontextualize their situation
urban root
that tends to go against the motives of upper management
plain apex
Not that many of them have even attempted this, let alone have a more complicated plot than “save the world”
Not even the RPGs, with maybe like a couple exceptions
I know at the end of the day it’s ultimately pointless when their formula is working perfectly fine, and I’m sure in plenty of ways it would negatively impact the game
urban root
i dont really know how to respond to this other than, i dont know, its not really that serious
it feels like this is close to being a vehicle of critiquing like
capitalism
you're kinda just pulling back the curtain on how art is stifled by capitalists
which, is true, but like, is The Super Mario Bros Movie the thing that's going to make you want to have this sort of revelation
plain apex
I’m well aware that I tend to take some things more seriously than I ever need to
Being sensitive can really suck when that happens
Not really much else I can add to that since this is not the place for personal venting
plain apex
I guess it is pretty dumb that I have this worry about the movie at all
peak pulsar
i think if they wanted to have a more compelling story it should've been about t...
film Sequel based on Superstar Saga, I beg you
dreamy tartan
would you like some unicorn meat with it? ;p
frigid ingot
i think power-ups couldve been used for some kind of symbolism
plain apex
Eh
frigid ingot
like having the right tools but not the developed skillset to use them
frigid ingot
it's not hard when they're basically used as superhero powers
urban root
they definitely could've
frigid ingot
hopefully it'll be incorporated in the training montage but it won't be that meaningful
plain apex
Right
Maybe there are bits sprinkled in that elaborate on that a little
So apparently Andre from gamexplain said the last 20-30 minutes haven’t been spoiled
Which is confusing to me
dreamy tartan
Bowser gets run over by a bicycle, killing him instantly
strange mortar
Mario gets the flu
plain apex
You would think that Mario and DK fighting through the enemies would be in that last half hour
At least the first part of it
vital viper
peak pulsar
it's funny that this is not satire
plain apex
I feel like even if they did have access to Nintendo’s 8-but assets, it would still be thrown together
frigid ingot
i feel like this movie only appeals to 80s and late 2000s/2010s mario fans
nothing from the 90s or early 2000s
vital viper
um... the ad clearly says 90'S KIDS.
peak pulsar
the 90s appeal is the super generic looking Mushroom Kingdom (like in SM64) 
Also I feel like there will be a handful of N64 musical references
with like Rainbow Road and stuff
frigid ingot
which is still stuff being referenced in the late 2000s and 2010s
peak pulsar
that's true
Odyssey improving the Mushroom Kingdom by including more forests, mountains, and mushrooms, but then completely removing all of the other Mario-y geography was a crime
vital viper
ig its because a lot of the more memorable GCN stuff is more experimental @ 2000's not being there
peak pulsar
I'm very surprised there isn't any hills with eyes in the film
vital viper
yeah
frigid ingot
i'm not
peak pulsar
like even modern games reference them occasionally
frigid ingot
they do?
frigid ingot
the hills have eyes in that game?
peak pulsar
but there were some in Star Rush too, I noticed recently
in the maps and interludes
frigid ingot
right next to nsmbwii mountains
peak pulsar
peak pulsar
right next to nsmbwii mountains
perfectly balanced
frigid ingot
but yeah putting eyes on things has been purged nowadays
peak pulsar
peak pulsar
I like how Mario Kart has multiple designs of hills in different courses. There should be room for all of them to coexist.
The NSMBWii ones can be super prominent around Peach's Castle (for consistency's sake), but as you get further out there can be more with eyes and different patterns and stuff
frigid ingot
even though the trees and volcano have eyes in dk mountain in tour, they're built into the model, making them seem more like statues rather than things just decorated with eyes like an old-timey cartoon would have
peak pulsar
I like how Mario Kart has multiple designs of hills in different courses. There ...
and there should be areas with not many hills like that at all, of course. More natural mountains and forests and stuff.
I like the blending of the hills, rather than cut and dry generic plains with just those hills and that's it
I can imagine a 2D Mario game where each plains level has its own background like how Cookie Country RTDL had the one foresty level, and the main plains level, and the one with those Super Star hills.
You can have the hills with eyes level.
stuck ridge
Like Mario Kart Double Dash?
stuck ridge
you be preachin
stuck ridge
worst changes ever
vital viper
they should've just did whta mkwii did and juggled both aesthetics at the same time
frigid ingot
yeah but nsmb was going to have cool backgrounds that actually made it feel lived in
like with mushroom houses
peak pulsar
Double Dash is way overboard imo
with eyes on literally everything
I like the eyes when they're less prominent. But still there of course
dreamy tartan
Ikr. Next thing you know the turtles will be walking on two legs all the time
dreamy tartan
This is the only good kind of response to what I said
plain apex
I like how we’ve gone this far without seeing Spike
And yeah I’ll say one more time that I didn’t need to think this movie needed a lot of depth when the franchise it’s based on isn’t any different
Just wanted to get it out there so that whole issue is done with
plain apex
Wonder what other critiques people will have when the embargo drops
The biggest and easiest one is the shallow plot obviously, but I wonder what other specific problems will be pointed out
plain apex
livid stream
That is what happens when you’re taller than someone
plain apex
Tall people are woke
sturdy dirge
True
fallen dune
I don't know the exact context of this video or comment
But I think it makes perfect sense for princess peach to be better at the things mario still has to learn
Because ya know she's a leader in this world and mario is a random plumber at the start of the film
And is new to this place
And yeah the comment doesn't make any sense because the person hasn't even seen the movie yet
You can't really judge yet
Also I don't think it's that big of a deal if she does turn out to be seemingly "perfect" because she's a side character
It's a kids movie so not everyone has to be a super round dynamic character
imo
stark igloo
https://twitter.com/transparencyboo/status/1642768251754016772
PLEASE LFMAOOO
balmy coyote
unhinged take on muh feminism, but i sorta get the kernel of what they're saying. peach hasn't been shown to struggle at all in the trailers
plain apex
stoic pumice
Omg @urban root wait here’s her fighting in her dress!!!
stoic pumice
OH sorry I didn’t know
urban root
its chill i didnt watch it its nbd
stoic pumice
Ok word 😎
fossil bison
<:portnite:1086322898219827283>
i have this exact same emote with this exact same name in another server
urban root
say hi to tyler for me
fossil bison
will do
junior lion
Will the soundtrack be available everywhere?
junior lion
Oh okay cause I heard it would out on the 7th?
junior lion
Anime Mario
fallen dune
unhinged take on muh feminism, but i sorta get the kernel of what they're saying...
But why should she struggle? She's lived in this world her entire life and knows how everything works, I think the only logical place for her to struggle is in a fight against Bowser/in Bowser's kingdom, which we obviously have not seen yet
How I see it is when mario first arrives both toad and peach function as leader figures
And we don't see them struggle because this is normal to them
As far as I know we haven't really seen toad struggle yet either but I might have missed that
balmy coyote
But why should she struggle? She's lived in this world her entire life and knows...
never said other characters struggle more. toad appears to be a vacuous comedy relief sidekick. though he's physically small so he at least could have that as a vulnerable trait. just because other characters have a similar issue doesn't excuse a lack of interesting traits.
peach doesn't appear to have anything going on other than wanting to beat bowser in the trailers. there is no vulnerability in her character, which is not ideal in a secondary protagonist or a major character. it makes her come off not interesting from the get go. she's not especially charismatic seeming, either imo
to continue my rant, the trailers make me ask "what plot contrivance has this really competent peach relying on some guy like mario to duel dk and go after bowser?"
stoic pumice
She can't do it by herself damn
i can lift up one side of my heavy furniture but imma still need someone to pick up the other side
white jungle
Shes not relying on mario shes also helping him find his brother
stoic pumice
ouuu that as well
white jungle
Having another actual human tag along is just a side benefit of that
Since you know
Toads cant fight for shit
Presumably
stoic pumice
balmy coyote
That doesn't change that she still has no vulnerability or flaw in her character shown in the trailers though.
stoic pumice
Lol well they don't show the entire character development arc in the trailer
why would they do that
balmy coyote
That is not what I'm asking for
white jungle
That doesn't change that she still has no vulnerability or flaw in her character...
That could change in the actual movie
balmy coyote
I am asking for a vulnerability
white jungle
They probably just rlly wanna drive home that shes not defenseless in the trailers since everyone thinks of peach as the basic damsel in distress trope
urban root
her arc isnt the one that's important here
the movie is about mario
we dont need her to spill her guts out in the fuckin trailers
balmy coyote
She is a major character though
urban root
and you havent seen the movie
stoic pumice
why would they show us "here is this self assured leader peach but she actually has this vulnerability heres her weakness here she is having her weakness" in a trailer
balmy coyote
She is aggressively uninteresting in the trailers
urban root
you dont expect someone you just met to tell you their deepest insecurities do you?
youre taking the issue of "shes too competent in the trailers" and extrapolating an opposite, unfalsifiable claim instead
balmy coyote
No. But i expect a character to be shown to be interesting
stoic pumice
you dont expect someone you just met to tell you their deepest insecurities do y...
i do this but only to a girl i just met in line for the bathroom at the club when im dr*nk
urban root
we don't know what her vulnerabilities are because theyre the trailers, theyre not going to show that
stoic pumice
ijbol what is "uninteresting" about her 
balmy coyote
If i were to see these trailers and remove the iconography, i wouldn't want to see it
urban root
they only have to show marios because his conflict literally drives the plot forward
okay well
stoic pumice
okay well then dont see it like
urban root
You have just founs the fuckin core problem of movies like this havent you
thats not peachs fault
balmy coyote
I never said it's her fault
urban root
If i were to see these trailers and remove the iconography, i wouldn't want to s...
then why did you say that
were talking about peach are we not
whats this got to do with her
balmy coyote
Because she's a factor
stoic pumice
I think that Peach looks like a very competent leader in the movie, which is a really refreshing change from some of her appearances in Mario games.
that's interesting to me
urban root
this feels like taking issue with literally the opposite, implied result of noting that shes more competent
her having less room to be silly is one thing, but trying to extrapolate that she is Flawless and Amazing is like
you literally dont know that
urban root
her being competent and her being flawless are two different problems
balmy coyote
She's a prominently featured character. I believe from the trailer that she's got the opposite issue she had in the games. Going from one extreme of being a damsel to being an unearned competent badass
urban root
neither of which have anything to do with "if you removed the iconography etc etc"
uou do realize what you're saying right
stoic pumice
unearned???
urban root
youre extrapolating info fron the trailers
youre trying to decipher what major character arc this Non Main character will have
from 2 minute chunks of spliced footage
balmy coyote
Yes it does, because if this was a non mario, original movie, no one would care about it based off these characters shown
stoic pumice
But it is mario
urban root
no shit!!!
stoic pumice
urban root
this is a wild one i gotta say
stoic pumice
I hope that your fears are quelled when the movie releases
I just don't know what you want them to show like
balmy coyote
Something other than sass and badassery? Maybe any sort of sincerity or vulnerability? Anything that belies some sort of interesting character that i can invest in?
stoic pumice
ijbol
but donkey kong being cocky isn't an issue for you?
why is that
is Luigi being damselfied an issue for you as well
balmy coyote
Dk's cockiness is a negative trait
balmy coyote
Luigi is shown to escape
stoic pumice
inch resting........
We have seen glimpses of Peach's sincerity and caring nature. Anya taylor joy even talked about it in an interview!
when she's in the fire flower fields is a good example
balmy coyote
Dk appears to be an antagonist to mario for at least a lil bit too, so the cockiness anticipates a fall
stoic pumice
I don't think Peach has been that sassy or anything, just self-assured. What's wrong with that?
balmy coyote
She grabs a powerup in the flower field. It looks pretty, but i don't see anything deeper there
stoic pumice
and in the fire flower fields she was like "lot of galaxies out there they're all counting on us 🥺"
and also "we'll find your brother" part
have u....have u not watched any of the other ones
balmy coyote
She can care, but that's not vulnerability or sincerity
balmy coyote
I want a character with actual flaws
balmy coyote
"She cared too much" is fanfic shit
balmy coyote
That is not a flaw
stoic pumice
like a hallmark of their personality
balmy coyote
Still not a flaw
balmy coyote
Dk is overconfident
balmy coyote
He's going to be defeated, the trailers spoil as much with the kongs
stoic pumice
how come you can infer what's going to happen there but not with peach
its not mathing
stoic pumice
okay so you can't infer that peach will inevitably fail or not be successful at something at some point?
balmy coyote
No
balmy coyote
But there is no hint to any flaw or intrigue with her in the trailers
stoic pumice
IDK this just seems a tad nitpicky
like i truly don't understand what you want them to do in the trailers
balmy coyote
The trailer's job is to highlight the main cast and build interest
stoic pumice
I hope that the movie is enjoyable for you and these fears of strong women are quelled <3
vagrant sapphire
vital viper
Yes it does, because if this was a non mario, original movie, no one would care ...
With all due respect I think most Mario related things are stuff people wouldn't care about if they didn't have Mario in them
balmy coyote
You infer i don't want a strong woman? Don't be a piece of shit just because i disagree with a characterization
stoic pumice
Well. your biggest qualm is that she "doesn't have any flaws" from the trailers so idk what you'd want me to assume
balmy coyote
Flaws don't mean i don't want a strong character
The right flaws highlight the strengths of a character actually
stoic pumice
Well. I sincerely hope that the movie proves your theory wrong and that you genuinely have a nice time seeing it.
balmy coyote
With all due respect I think most Mario related things are stuff people wouldn't...
Mario wouldn't stay that way if it had nothing to offer. The mainline games have outstanding gameplay
vagrant sapphire
well if you replaced mario gameplay with stickmen im pretty sure most people wouldnt play that
urban root
i think your point is not being well made here grumpo
balmy coyote
If they build a brand on stickmen with excellent gameplay, yeah, they'd be just as iconic
urban root
you're taking three different grievances and are trying to pass them off as one
the only one that matters here is you think peach isn't going to have a character flaw. the film being good without the mario theming isn't relevant, and arguably neither is the issue of her being headstrong
balmy coyote
I'm just saying, peach in the trailers adds little to no interest
urban root
okay
stoic pumice
I even understand your point, but I think that it's a preemptive assumption to make, especially because the trailers that have Peach in them seem to want to distinguish this character as a departure from more passive role in other media
urban root
but you are genuinely extrapolating this from as little info as possible
we get what you're saying. but you have nothing to go off of
balmy coyote
I said in the trailers
stoic pumice
So i don't think they'd show that in a trailer anyways ya know
urban root
the trailer doesn't have to tell you what her character flaw is
stoic pumice
yeah otherwise what would be the point of the movie
urban root
yea i don't think theyd show it to begin with unless she was literally the protagonist
and the movie was about her inner conflict, like mario
but it's not about her. it's about mario
the only other characters who have shown any sort of forward facing flaw are... luigi and bowser, i guess
balmy coyote
Dude, she narrates a trailer. Thry could've at least shown anything about her that's interesting
urban root
okay, and?
stoic pumice
That's not objective, it's subjective. I found it really interesting so I guess that's just a diff of opinion
urban root
do you seriously think they're gonna coast the entire movie and never have her do anything interesting?
the entire 90 minute runtime she just stands there and snarks?
stoic pumice
me at the DMV
urban root
i dont know how else to say this but you're literally pulling unfalsifiable info from trailers
balmy coyote
I am not saying the entire movie is like this. I'm saying that if she is interesting, the trailer fails
urban root
when have movie trailers, ever, and i mean Ever, gone in depth at all about a character conflict that wasn't the main one?
stoic pumice
Almost never!!
urban root
this isn't a fair angle to take on most of any movies
like, okay, she's not interesting from the trailers. nobody is
stoic pumice
And it does feel a little pointed given the discourse around Peach’s character
urban root
nobody is going to see the mario movie for any reason other than because it's the mario movie
you said it yourself
that's not necessarily a bad thing
it's just... A thing
stoic pumice
I’m going to see it because Nintendo and illumination are small struggling companies and I’m supporting small businesses 🤍
urban root
of course this movie is going to be predicated on looking and sounding and feeling like mario
yknow Mario series known for its breadth of character complexity
balmy coyote
That doesn't mean they can't try lol
urban root
it's not the selling point of the movie
they don't have to
were you expecting something complex from the mario movie??
balmy coyote
You excuse something because of the selling point?
I don't expect much, but i want more than jingling keys
urban root
i excuse something because they don't have to. it's their movie and it's not the strong point of their movie so why put your weaker foot forward?
i feel like this angle of argument has a lot of implication of values that aren't commonly shared here
vital viper
Me watching the trailer for the batman: is no one else concerned that commissioner Gordon doesn't have any flaws
stoic pumice
and like they had a LOT of characters to show off
urban root
like how to you it seems to be an inherently bad thing that this movie chose to not flesh out all of its characters in its trailers
or that it's inherently bad that this movie is a fanservice romp
balmy coyote
I don't want them fleshed out. I want them to have intrigue
urban root
and not shooting for something higher
well clearly you are intrigued right now are you not?
is that not the issue here?
just framed in a more negative light
you want to know what peach's arc is
congrats. you're intrigued
maybe you don't want to have that be what sells you on the movie but
That's what's being left unsaid here! without them spoiling the whole damn movie
balmy coyote
I am not intrigued though. I only had interest because of the property. It's propped up by the property
urban root
we wouldn't be having this conversation if you werent intrigued
stoic pumice
true, even discourse about it is you being intrigued
balmy coyote
We would because I'm a fan of the games and this is linked to the games
This isn't some gotcha
vital viper
Are you curious about if she has any flaws in the movie
urban root
if that was all it was we wouldnt be having this conversation and we would just be taking it unquestionably
you're right! it's not a gotcha
im not trying to Own you here
stoic pumice
trailers aren't a gotcha, they're to show off what the movie is going to be like. Nitty gritty stuff like character flaws of side characters will be shown in the actual full length movie. That's not a new concept tbh
balmy coyote
My point is that the trailers fail to build intrigue in her character despite her featuring heavily
urban root
she's not hte focus of the trailers
mario is
and bowser
the main protagonist and antagonist
this isn't a mario exclusive problem
balmy coyote
She literally narrates and is a focus though
urban root
i think my problem right now is that this whole thing is not being approached in good faith
considering this entire approach is predicated on some random on the internet saying some shit
in a probable bait post
i'm all for criticizing peach's depiction here, because there's a conversation there, but right now i think you are genuinely just misunderstanding what information trailers tend to provide
balmy coyote
Good trailers build interest in the major characters
urban root
i hear your point, but it's such a dead end that i feel like all i can tell you is just like... That's every trailer for every movie, ever
mario is The main character
urban root
it's not some golden rule that all good trailers must build interest in every one of their characters
thats why this feels like a difference in principles
you seem to have a very stark view of how trailers should be made that none of us share
like slimy said this isnt an objective thing
stoic pumice
I think that when you see the movie if you still have that gripe, that's perfectly fine but it's a trailer lol
vital viper
The movie is called the super Mario Brothers movie and the marketing has focused mostly on Mario and luigis history and dynamic + the threat of Bowser
urban root
its weird to bring up other characters too because i feel like shit like DK is way less interesting than peach
vital viper
I think they're trying to first establish Mario to the audience because most people don't know what Mario's personality is even like
urban root
peach has shown some moments of her being silly and breaking her own kayfabe of seriousness that i think suggest something more interesting
whereas DK is just an asshole all the time and everything that comes out of his mouth is a fuckin groaner
even if he has a stark character flaw it doesnt make me interested in him, it makes me wish he'd shutthe fuck up
balmy coyote
dk is pretty shit tbh
stoic pumice
even if he has a stark character flaw it doesnt make me interested in him, it ma...
adskjfsafhjsad yes
urban root
even bowser who has a similarly low brow joke in the final trailer
stoic pumice
I think Peach has shown a lot of cool and interesting traits in the trailer tbh
balmy coyote
the jokes are pretty bad
stoic pumice
It's definitely a subjective thing, but we've seen her be goofy and caring too
So 🤷
urban root
which scene
fast elbow
The scene where she does the whole Mario training thing in one go
That they tweeted like, yesterday
livid stream
Omg same
fast elbow
I almost wish she was even more showboaty
livid stream
Doesn’t look as exaggerated as it should be
fast elbow
I wish she had "Oh, did I win?" energy
urban root
tahts been the issue with peach the whole time really
shes not as girly as she probably should be
(i havent watched this scene lol)
fast elbow
I see
urban root
im comfterbly in media blackout mode rn
livid stream
I wish she had "Oh, did I win?" energy
isn’t that similar to smash bros peach
Oh wait that is
fast elbow
I mean idk without going into too much detail I just think her character acting is like. Not what Id do at all with a, as miyamoto called it, "more powerful princess"
urban root
smash pecah is very faithful bc smash peach is just smrpg peach
fast elbow
https://variety.com/2023/film/features/super-mario-bros-movie-shigeru-miyamoto-interview-1235572488/
Good interview doesn't spoil anything plot related
He's just like me fr!!!
Miyamoto got bored in a design meeting and took a screenshot of Bowser and started drawing over it
i really really hope
we get an art book
granite cove
we get an art book
Sameee
junior lion
So is Koji Kondo part of the music?
Is that why his name was credited on the soundtrack?
urban root
koji kondo made the original compositions
which would be why he is credited predominantly
livid stream
He was apart of the creation of the soundtrack aswell
urban root
but he probably did help here and there even if he wasnt the main composer
livid stream
Makes sense
junior lion
Ah I see
Hopefully the soundtrack will be available on all platforms on the 7th.
I think its the 7th?
stark igloo
this actually looks interesting ngl
i’m going to go see it with my partner this thursday, the day after it comes out
strange mortar
Pog
livid stream
Wow same
stark igloo
i’m actually excited lol
i was defo in the group of people that expected it to be terrible boring garbage and had no expectations
and it definitely still can be bad
but i’m looking forward to seeing it
simple wasp
but he probably did help here and there even if he wasnt the main composer
i imagine he had a big involvement
he's in the cast premiere photos too
urban root
i mean they are his original compositions
fossil bison
peak pulsar
a Lynel from Zelda?
peak pulsar
I thought this was relevant to the hugging Bowser comment and I was so confused
fossil bison
they're just not true mario fans like us
sturdy dirge
yeah
urban root
theres no fuckin escape is there today
vagrant sapphire
Deja vu
junior lion
This is why I never bother with RT.
urban root
roosterteeth
vital viper
With how intense the hype train is I'm expecting a 89% audience approval rate
Or however rotten tomatoes scores shit
junior lion
Yeah Rotten Tomatoes
urban root
rotten tomatoes does not review anything
they only average out scores from other critics
they are the messenger
junior lion
RT sucks either way.
urban root
they have done literally nothing here
they are just presenting the scores
if youre choosing to insist theyre bad then you don't understand what rt does
this is like hating metacritic
junior lion
I really don’t care much for score sites.
urban root
is your issue with scoring things at all or specifically the act of aggregating them in a single number
balmy coyote
it's the average opinion of critics. if they enjoy or hate it, it doesn't mean you have to agree and vice versa.
fossil bison
my favorite cartoon movie has low ratings don't talk to me.
junior lion
I had someone tell me that it could be because of the cast and that they didn’t use the original og cast.
urban root
that is not why
simple wasp
are you saying the cast is why the movie is being brought down by critics because i dont think that is why either yea
balmy coyote
stressing over critical reception is a great way to lose hair. so long as you like it, it'll be fine
plucky jewel
balmy coyote
oh, my condolences
urban root
review score isnt a spoiler
plucky jewel
So if I lose hair
I get cancer
urban root
what
plucky jewel
review score isnt a spoiler
But I mean it shows that the movie wouldn’t be good
If the review score looks like that
balmy coyote
a movie can be critically panned and still be enjoyable
urban root
nobody who has been hyping up the movie for the last 6 months is going to have their minds changed by this
plucky jewel
I mean I didn’t want it to fail
Like Mario 1993 Movie and make Nintendo never make movies again
balmy coyote
this is likely a critic proof movie. its box office isn't in danger imo
by critic proof, i mean that it'll probably be liked well enough by general audiences despite bad critical reception
plucky jewel
Well as long as it’s not in danger for the box office
Then we will be ok
urban root
83 reviews is also probably half of the total reviews itll get over time
plain apex
Right
Could even go beyond that just because of how anticipated this movie is
I’ve seen some films get even over 300 reviews
junior lion
I just don’t see how the og cast can make the movie any better.
balmy coyote
og cast wouldn't improve things by much
plucky jewel
I just don’t like it when movies have bad reception and don’t have enjoyable moments
simple wasp
it wont be a box office failure
it will probably do pretty well for sure
and yea it already is tracking to sell pretty well
junior lion
I’m also gonna give it a watch.
plucky jewel
I’m watching it tomorrow with my grandpa
balmy coyote
it'll probably make its budget/marketing back and then some
simple wasp
its only issue is seemingly that it is a mario commercial
a big budgeted one
keys jingled etc etc
balmy coyote
ye
simple wasp
which is... probably what nintendo wanted anyway. that is the goal of the movie
get their IP known more
get people to buy games
urban root
to say it for the four thousandth time today the mario mvoie was never going to be high art
or high brow even
frigid ingot
i think if they were in the mindset to use the original cast it would be better
plain apex
Yes
urban root
hence why it reviews poorly
plain apex
Something can be not high brow and still be scored well
balmy coyote
high brow's not what any of us want. puss in boots 2 is far from high art
urban root
what is your idea of high brow
plain apex
This scored a lot more than a minions movie ever needed to for example
plucky jewel
I mean Sonic 2 Movie has problems if it’s own
Some people didn’t like the Wedding part saving Sonic & Tails
balmy coyote
prestige things like interstellar and 2001
urban root
i would consider pinocchio to be high brow
the guillermo del toro one
high brow to me just means its got something to say beyond buy product
balmy coyote
oh, my meaning is different
plain apex
Most independent animation I see tends to be higher brow than the mainstream stuff
urban root
yea
balmy coyote
for me, high art means it can't really be explained in an elevator pitch
plain apex
Prince of Egypt is certainly high brow for a DreamWorks film
Helps that they refrained from a lot of the usual merchandise that animated films get
urban root
for me, high art means it can't really be explained in an elevator pitch
i know what you mean by this but isnt the very idea of an elevator pitch the antithesis of art?
distilling down your idea to its most raw punchy form so as to sell it to someone who will allow you to tell your story
balmy coyote
ye
that's why my idea of something that's high art is something that can't be properly conveyed in an elevator pitch
balmy coyote
tis merely my idea of it
urban root
del toros pinocchio is just pinocchio, by del toro, so you can argue thats an elevator pitch
you get it right away
balmy coyote
ye, i like his pinoccio, i think it's high brow, but not high art
ofc i'm some random, so my idea of some concepts are convoluted and not that thought out
urban root
you dont have to devalue your own thoughts
its art, there inherently is no meaning
or maybe there is
Thats art!
balmy coyote
it's just that i don't put in the time to nail down my thoughts on subjective things. so i jumble words often and mess up explaining
plain apex
Mario games aren’t meant to be high art anyway so this movie didn’t need to be any different
Massively acclaimed, yes, but not exactly art
balmy coyote
again, i don't ask for much, just a competent plot and well written characters. that's just... brow. not high or low. certainly not high art.
urban root
its strange because they could be
they don't even have to do much more
and its not like theres not a lot of artistry that goes into mario games
urban root
have more to say than rescue peach
sunshine is probably the most poignant mario game to date
plain apex
They would be cool
And it would be more interesting to tell stories with the experienced characters we have now
urban root
theres a fair amount of subtext in sunshine that implies a more focused narrative beyond just the main one
odyssey also has Something going on with the world tour angle and everytbinf being si vast and different
vital viper
theres a fair amount of subtext in sunshine that implies a more focused narrativ...
This is news to me
I was too busy gloating at beating the pachinko machine in only 3 tries to pay attention
plain apex
There’s even a simple moral Peach talks about after you meet her in every kingdom
urban root
balmy coyote
the plot of the movie could be basic, but good character writing is something i would want much more than fan service
plain apex
Imagine that but in more engaging setup
Like if Mario’s resolve was ever tested or pushed to its limits
Maybe even Bowser’s
sturdy dirge
true thumbnail
plain apex
Like there could be some gradual transition into why they wouldn’t have to rely on Peach kidnapping plots anymore
Or at least not nearly as often
simple wasp
i gotta wonder what the experience of watching the tetris movie is vs the mario movie from the perspective of someone who does not play video games
urban root
tetris movie is about the making of the game
mario movie is not
tetris wins the casual check
frigid ingot
yeah it's like a dramatic documentary
vital viper
plain apex
Tetris literally has no plot so it works
vital viper
Found a leaked version of the Tetris movie
frigid ingot
i think we're kidding ourselves if we could get an actual fictional story out of tetris
one that warrants a movie, anyway
plain apex
Again, Tetris literally has no plot
urban root
honestly i couldve thought theyd do it in a time closer to like
pixels
i figure pac man will be similar to this though
balmy coyote
tetris makes for a neat docu tho
livid stream
I’m just a regular old L tetramino
frigid ingot
pac-man is going to be live action though
urban root
oh yea i mean like the tetris doc
frigid ingot
isn't the pac-man movie being worked on by someone from the sonic movies?
urban root
idk
i reslly dont know how theyd mansge that kind of movie for pac man
unless its like
frigid ingot
i imagine it'll be like the sonic movie
urban root
The game is alive!
urban root
pac man doesnt have enough of a world to justify him being like an alien
frigid ingot
i would hope they don't do that
yeah that's why he'd be brought to the real world
i guess it would be the game is alive but with better framing
urban root
honestly the game is alive is one of the better framings for pac man
it would be crazy if they like
really stretch it
like hes some urban legend who lives in the sewers
balmy coyote
man-pac
urban root
pac man is the nyc sewer alligators
frigid ingot
i would rather he's better integrated with the world
like it just so happens there are humans and pac-people
along with ghosts and fairies from pac-land
balmy coyote
the green bay pac man
plucky jewel
Oh No
The Composer Grant Kirkhope is not credited in Mario Movie
vital viper
https://youtu.be/OPougfBAQ3c
This is a v good watch
urban root
Yay
vital viper
I wonder how differently received the pachinko level would be if it was made more clear that you're supposed to use the rocket nozzle
livid stream
you WHAT
vital viper
It's so fucking easy if you use the rocket nozzle instead of the hover one
frigid ingot
i thought it was harder with the rocket nozzle
vital viper
All you do is preemptively charge the nozzle on the way up and then use it as a correction tool in case you drift too far
It took me 3 tries to beat the level and the first try was me accidentally walking off the stage at the start
You charge the nozzle when you're near the end of the vertical shaft and that way if you're about to fall into a pit the nozzle automatically pulls you out
fallen dune
Will there be spoilers in this channel or not
Because it is the day today
For some people
I'm gonna go see it on Monday
fallen dune
OH NOOO
PLEASE MERCY
Audience seems to like it a lot more
95% from verified audience ratings
vagrant sapphire
Will there be spoilers in this channel or not
no because the spoiler channel would be in #galaxy-movie
if it creeps up in here they will be redirected there
fallen dune
Alright cool
plucky jewel
I have to wonder
Nintendo was interested in producing more animated films based on its intellectual properties if the Mario film is successful.
But the Mario Movie Got a divided critics thing
Wouldn’t that mean we won’t get anymore movies as well as Donkey Kong Spinoff & Luigi’s Mansion Movie
junior lion
How’s the movie guys?
plucky jewel
How’s the movie guys?
I haven’t watched it yet
junior lion
I have to wonder
Nintendo was interested in producing more animated films based...
Its already getting a sequel.
junior lion
I haven’t watched it yet
Oh
plucky jewel
Its already getting a sequel.
Did it have something to do with that post credits scene
plucky jewel
Well I’m not gonna check until I see it
Cause I’m not getting my spoilers in this movie
I can go for any other spoilers for movies
But if it’s Mario then I don’t wanna see
Despite all the clips
simple wasp
a post credit scene doesn't rly confirm a sequel but it will probably happen by virtue of its box office alone
junior lion
Well they did say it was confirmed for it but like you said.
Still waiting for the soundtrack.
simple wasp
they haven't confirmed a sequel yet
we would have articles saying a sequel has been greenlit if they did
plucky jewel
I’m off to see the Mario Movie
fallen dune
Have fun
plucky jewel
All Done
vale prism
I JUST WATCHED THE MOVIE ITS AMAZING
plucky jewel
It definitely is
fossil bison
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fossil bison
strange mortar
Mario bros
peak pulsar
seen this posted a few times. Still have no clue what it means
unless this is just some random well-known poem
and the image is unrelated
sturdy dirge
did u try opening the article
peak pulsar
I thought it was just a tweet lol
livid stream
This is a good review
fossil bison
peak pulsar
I've only seen it on Discord, where I figured the link was just the attached image
dusk oxide
GOD DAYUM
stark igloo
the power went out at our movie theaters cause of the storm so i have to look up the scene that i missed
super unfortunate timing
urban root
they didn't give you free tickets??
dreamy tartan
They got jealous that MAR8 day was before MAR10 day and decided to oppress you specifically