#Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

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hybrid folio
elfin musk
placid pumice
pearl prism
raw lance
still mortar
inland grove
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Idc what reviews say, im super excited for this still

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Anything better than crystal skull

still mortar
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perfect

elfin musk
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I love grandpa

elfin rover
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That was the softest and politest clap I’ve ever heard in a theater

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This movie does a really good job misdirecting you to think the ending is going to be shit and then saves it

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I’d say like 7/10 right now. I have no opinion on the visuals because there was projector issues and it made it look shittier

tough shale
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Awesome poster. And I really enjoyed the film (after hearing bad things, I was frightened it would be disappointing). All the callbacks (both musically and story) were a nice touch.

storm thistle
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I just got back from Indy, did the originals always have that many chase scenes? Been a long while since I've watched tbh

elfin rover
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My ask since I haven’t seen the originals in a while - was the body count that high Jessie

storm thistle
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From what I remember?

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Yes lol

harsh orchid
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It was fun. Fast paced, old man moves very quickly and he can hit

willow spire
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Giving this a 9/10

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first time ive been on premiere night in many years Jessie

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the score was good of course because it’s John Williams

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at points I think it got a bit too heavy on marvel-esque fight/chase scenes but most of the chase or fight scenes were pretty good and true to the original

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the ai de-aging for harrison ford was insanely good considering his age

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acting and cast was pretty damn solid, loved the little callbacks to the original

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it’s a pretty solid conclusion and it’s a far more fitting end to the series than crystal skull

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feels complete

inland grove
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Its not perfect but its 1 million times better than Crystal Skull

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Tbh I really kinda liked the idea he was gonna stay in the past with Archimedes but what happened wasnt bad

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Hey wheres all the incel weirdos with their, AT THE END THEY ERASE INDY FROM EXISTENCE CAUSE GIRL POWER

willow spire
inland grove
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Who else was expecting half expecting Mutt to walk in at the end

willow spire
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He also teleported to the Roman battle to say goodbye to his father ppRapLaugh

willow spire
inland grove
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HEY GET OFF MY PLANE-guy who has no role other than too be mildy upset that Straw Hat Short Round is in his plane

hybrid folio
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I enjoyed it. Not perfect but still had fun.

spring willow
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That was everything I wanted from an Indiana Jones movie

still mortar
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I think it was pretty good. Prolly 6/10 - I think I like it more than crystal skull

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I have to say - I hate hate hate hate hate hate his old man voice with the deaging

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It’s all wrong

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And the deaging is out of sync in a few moments with his face at times

elfin rover
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The entire opening sequence was uncanny and horrid and scared me for the rest of the movie

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Genuinely I think the 2K IMAX digital projector that’s on its last legs made it look even worse

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I hope they use the Oppenheimer 70MM run as an excuse to upgrade to laser

still mortar
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Beedont told me he was falling asleep the first half. I did think the parade chase scene was really boring.

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I think they did a good job putting old jones in scenes that still had action but felt mostly believable vs. like… idk the Irishman with De Niro trying to curb stomp someone

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They had him rely on machines more

hybrid folio
elfin musk
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Probably gonna be a week or two till I see it since I foolhardy asked my partners parents if they wanted to see it together ppMulanHands

hybrid folio
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Obi why?

inland grove
still mortar
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also i know we all know this but mads mikkelsen 10/10 nazi casting. loved how much of a dweeb he was.

inland grove
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Omg i forgot, the kid totally murders a guy and is just totally fine after

inland grove
elfin musk
inland grove
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HEY IDIOT ARCHIMEDES DOESNT KNOW SHIT ABOUT CONTINENTAL DRIFT

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When they were looking around archimedes grave i half expected indy to pull out an iphone or something

hybrid folio
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Yeah. For a hot second I thought Voller gets stuck in the past and is Archimedes. Glad he died a painful, fiery death but yeah.

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Before they showed his watch as the one in the grave, I also considered it was someone further in the future.

inland grove
hybrid folio
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The one in the plane?

inland grove
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Idk why. Just seemed like a fun twist

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The dude who was there the entire movie

hybrid folio
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Oh, no. He was an idiot.

inland grove
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I actually cant remember if he had a mustache

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Lol yeah the one who stuck his head out the window and started firing

hybrid folio
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I'm amazed they didn't give Voller a massive scar on his face or something. It's on brand for Mads and Voller got this face knocked in at a high speed by that water tower on the train.

still mortar
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lmao i was wondering how he got away from that with no damage

hybrid folio
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I'm pretty sure that hit would've killed a normal person. It was like brain pudding level impact.

still mortar
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Yeah I agree

inland grove
raw lance
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Havent seen it yet all I know is they pull a Poochie died on the way back with Mutt lmfao

inland grove
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Admittedly they handled that one pretty well

hybrid folio
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Indeed. It gave Ford some depth to work with for Indy and where he's at when the film starts

warped python
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He turned into Steve Martin for a second there

inland rampart
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That was fun

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And was very surprised to see antiono banderas in this

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I can’t hear his voice without thinking of puss in boots ppRapLaugh

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And nazis getting killed is super satisfying to watch

spare stirrup
hybrid folio
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Antonio Banderas was definitely a suprise that I quite liked.

inland rampart
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Wish there was more of him but ofc he has to get killed off peepoSadCat

elfin rover
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RIP my hours

pearl prism
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it wasn’t a bad movie at all

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love they brought some of the previous cast

glacial sand
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Neko and I were on a date

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I enjoyed it

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Old man can move

pearl prism
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lol unplanned date

lean lark
lean lark
inland grove
warped python
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I liked that quite a lot. The ending was really cute.

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I have to imagine this was a passion project for Spielberg and Lucas. Box office is a shame but they're probably not concerned about it

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(Mutt died on his way back to his home planet)

warped python
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I've seen a few people thinking Mikkelson's deaths should have been more brutal, but I think the emotional damage playing across his face was enough for me.

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He's an astrophysicist and his plan failed because his math was wrong. The irony.

hybrid folio
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I don't even think it was that his math was wrong. I took it more that he misunderstood how the device funtioned.

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For the time travel to work, Archimedes designed the device to basically go in a loop. He needed them to come back to that exact point in order to ensure time is undisturbed.

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That's why he asked when they came from.

hybrid folio
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Well when they went through it killed their engines so they fell quite a bit. Probably put them so low when they got them going again and then they just hesitated to go back up because if you were suddenly flying over a bunch of ships, wouldn't you be stunned and hesitate to react?

warped python
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Oh yeah, and Dolby Cinema was great for this. The final plane sequence felt like 4DX with the bass

willow spire
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oh and apparently needing 750-900 million to break even

warped python
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Do you think Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character could hold another entry of the series by herself (with Teddy)?

hybrid folio
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Possibly but if the film doesn't do well enough, as the tracking suggests, the universe is probably done.

inland grove
willow spire
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can you imagine the insane level of backlash if they did a spin-off 💀

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but also imho phoebe waller-bridge’s character wasn’t very likeable til the second half of the movie, and even then her character felt a bit undeveloped

inland grove
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Yeah im sure she could be interesting but what we got of her just wasnt spin off worthy.

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I still think, at the time, Shia taking over would have been interesting

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Also is it just me, or after Fleabag has Phoebe just had the most uninteresting career. Shes genuinely talented and hilarious and she just sorta doesnt do much to show it off

warped python
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The main problem would be how to market it, I think

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What would the movie be called? Helena Shaw and the X of X?

willow spire
warped python
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Spielberg though Shia was the next big thing but he fell off hard.

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I don't think Mutt endeared him to anyone either.

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Helena had some interesting quirks at least. Her being less scrupulous than Indy, for example

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The other problem is there's already a great version of female antihero Indiana Jones, but she's in the Star Wars universe

inland grove
warped python
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I've only seen him in like 5 movies (and three of them were Transformers movies) but I guess he was good in Holes?

spare stirrup
raw lance
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Weird about this one

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The serious stuff is really good, but it's too serious

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Like great ending but like did we really need to kill mutt and separate Marion to get here?

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Also its really bloated, there's too many stop and talk scenes. And they lack Spielberg's ability to direct great exposition

pearl prism
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I didn’t really liked teddy overall, felt more like an annoying character

raw lance
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Yeah he's just there lol

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The time travel stuff was really well handled and pretty good. Too bad tho the scene with them and Archimedes looked like they weren't there lol

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Also its weird Sallah is in America because he moved during the war, but like where was he in KotCS?

warped python
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It occurred to me watching the intro to this one; Indy speaks Greek, Sri Lankan, I think some Russian, but even after the US enters the war never learns a word of German.

inland grove
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Because hes a patriot 🫡

pearl prism
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lmao

compact totem
inland grove
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Wait shia canonically dies in transformers,

elfin rover
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apparently in transformers they say that anthony hopkins is the last surviving of his bloodline

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which means shia dead

harsh orchid
harsh orchid
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I found it a tad humorous (for Shia’s character) at the end of Indy 5 that Indy and Marion completely forgot about their son after they are reunited again.

elfin rover
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Been ushering all day and it seems like audiences are responding really well to this one

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Same with last night

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I keep hearing people talk about how much they liked it

raw lance
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Yeah seems more likely to please a general audience

warped python
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I guess you could say that Spielberg was right in casting Shia Labeouf in Indy 4, since he did elevate the franchise. He just did so in absentia, as talking about his dead son was one of Ford's best scenes in the hat.

raw lance
jovial stump
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I liked this movie

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But this is easily my favorite movie franchise

elfin rover
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It’s a good movie

warped python
raw lance
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its done really well and emotional, but theres not as much pulpy, campiness

still mortar
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Yeah it's part of what knocks it down a little bit for me is that there's very little slapstick/camp

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Which is like, imo one of the cornerstones of the originals and contextually relevant to the pulp adventure novels it was inspired by

raw lance
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thats why while Temple is dark, its arguably the most camp

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and KotCS has some of that pulp to it

still mortar
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And it is kind of weird that KotCS has a nice little bow and then Dial starts off with like, "We don't know how to write old man except alone and depressed"

raw lance
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yeah im back and forth on it

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like really well done, but did we really need to kill mutt?

still mortar
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There's a lot I like in it tho for the most part and it's not as bad as some of the reviews but it is lacking in that og sauce

raw lance
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maybe it might grow on me and maybe its needed for the last one

raw lance
still mortar
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I mean, if you ignore the actual timeline which doesn't really make sense if Mutt is like 30 and enlisting in the war TBQH

raw lance
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theres little moments of that in the action, but its sooo drawn out that you forget about it

still mortar
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That's if you believe he dropped out out of college, and not like, high school prep school I guess

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Which I'm pretty sure is what they ended in skull but lol - college

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Anyway Mutt's death doesn't really bother me because the scene is Ford chewing scenery but I kind of wish they hadn't gone the whole "indy is a loser in an apartment alone at 80" at the beginning which is like, a fucking tired old man trope at this point

raw lance
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yeah that and breaking up marion again

still mortar
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Yeah

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I also think the parade chase scene in particular drags but people seem to really liked the first half of the movie, which I'm kind of the opposite

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For me the movie picks up when he goes to Morocco or w/e

raw lance
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but then also, idk how the ending would work because i like that he wants to stay in the past, because I like that parallel of 1969 and BC hes a man out of time

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i like the parade stuff, its the morrocco chase thats too long

still mortar
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I also wish they had done more with the CIA agent or whatever, felt like there was something bigger there and then she's just fucking murdered

raw lance
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but the auction scene is my favorrite

still mortar
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I think the scene at his work is incredibly dark and basically gets completely glossed over

raw lance
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yeah executing them was a bit much imo

still mortar
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Like you have this super nazi scene kinda dark, then you have him depressed alone in boxers which is dark, then you have the execution at his work

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Then you have like the whole basil went crazy over the dial or w/e

raw lance
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its really weird because college indy and adventure indy are usually separate

still mortar
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Yes I think that's very intentional in the original films

raw lance
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so seeing his peers get killed was a little out of place

still mortar
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Ya it's too much imo

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It was also like, more modern movie sensibility in my opinion

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That and him being wanted on the news

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Also big lol at Mad's nazi being like "let's not kill indiana let's drag him on the plane to prove IM RIGHT" I guess

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some real plot armor there

raw lance
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eh that im fine with

still mortar
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It doesn't bother me, I just think it's funny

warped python
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It is pretty interesting how obviously "for kids" the old movies are.

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It's like what Lucas was trying to go for in the prequels but a lot more successful

jovial stump
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I just saw this movie a second time

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I haven’t done that since The Last Jedi

willow spire
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it’s actually quite good imo

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i was a little surprised tbh

raw lance
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Sitting on it, I like it a little more than my initial thoughts

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But still has pacing issues and the action is not up to Indy standards

ancient wasp
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I really enjoyed it! It really picked up when Indy left for Morroco. I was fading for a bit before that ngl

raw lance
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its really impressive stuff, imo it kinda broke tho whenever he turned his head a lot

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I also noticed they rarely put his face and a real face in the same shot, which is kinda smart

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but def shouldve cut down the opening a little, wouldve helped pacing and working on the other shots

trim cloud
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SO TIME TRAVEL IS CANON IN THE SEA UNIVERSE?

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ALSO HOW DOES THE DIAL WORK? IT WOULD NEED TO BE A CLOCK RIGHT?

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Also the movie implies that it's a time travel thing like the time turner in Harry Potter so that means no matter what Helena would have taken Indy home cuz that's how that time loop works? And that time loop is implied cuz philosopher guys' tomb had propellers and he was wearing the watch

warped python
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It's only a time loop for people who stayed in the past.

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Voller's watch was in the tomb because Archimedes pulled it off his body. But that was the only bit of recursive stuff in the movie because there's only the plane and the Nazi bodies that stay in the past.

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It might have been interesting if there was a skeleton with a fedora elsewhere in the tomb, prompting Helena to change Indy's fate by rescuing him later in the movie. But that would have been giving up the ghost a bit early.

trim cloud
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Hmmm

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I made a joke after the movie saying "So Harrison Ford tried to kill off this character too but Lucasfilm said no" in reference to the Force awakens

raw lance
tough shale
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I liked all those little hints along the way (e.g. the lecture on Syracuse, the puppet show about Syracuse with the dragon & the tomb propellers). For me, I didn't know the significance until it was shown but it makes repeat viewing fun

trim cloud
raw lance
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The watch too, since earlier in the movie Indy made a point about his father's watch I thought it was that in the tomb

trim cloud
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Do you guys think the ride (any version of it) is Canon to the movies?

raw lance
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the Tokyo version might not be because its Crystal Skull

trim cloud
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Honestly crystal skull and forbidden eye are (almost) the same ride so I think they could be considered the same temple just the names are different for whatever reason

inland grove
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Question, they go back in time, show him the dial and now he can make it himself. So who made the damn dial?

pearl prism
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he would’ve solved it himself

inland grove
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why even make the dial?

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What purpose did it actually serve

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Or is it more like, “damn archimedes, you did it again”

pearl prism
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no clue

inland grove
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Why did he even need a dial? Couldnt he have just looked up and seen the giant time warp

still mortar
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Bruh the dial was to navigate

inland grove
pearl prism
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they explain it in the movie

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something something planets and such

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and realizing something

inland grove
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I thought they THOUGHT they could travel anywhere but it could only travel to that one specific time

pearl prism
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cause it didn’t account for the continental drift

inland grove
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I thought they said something like they thought the math was wrong but it turns out archimedes only made it to get people to come to his time

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raw lance
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it wasnt an issue of how to make it, he was going to eventually, Archimedes just wanted help to win his war

trim cloud
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Ahh

trim cloud
inland grove
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Yeah thats what I thought they said. He wanted help winning the war so he made the dial to get people back in time to do that. But then that means they ALWAYS went back in time, so my original question on who made the damn dial is still up in the air lol

trim cloud
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I think it is implied that he did no?

inland grove
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But only after he saw a completed one.

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Right? He didnt have it finished when they went back, Indy showed him, then Helena punches him and takes him home

trim cloud
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Yeah, the completed one is the one he made. The one he has and the one he made would be the same dial at different points

trim cloud
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I believe we see the dial in the last scene iirc? I watched it only once last night

inland grove
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I am for sure overthinking it and trying to make some stupid paradox out of a mid adventure movie, but if he sees the dial, realizes how to build it, where did the solution come from. He seemingly always saw the fully completed dial before finishing it

trim cloud
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✨time loops✨

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Maybe he already knew what he needed to do he just couldn't yet?

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Either way the original dial is made by him

inland grove
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Idk why “oh yeah aliens” is good enough for me, but with this one Im trying to turn into an edgy 14 year old who took one philosophy class

trim cloud
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Genuine opinion: don't think too hard about it

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Remember in Harry Potter it is said that people after using time turners have killed themselves before time travel which makes no sense in lore but it happens

inland grove
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If i dont think too hard about it, how else can i complain about minuscule things for decades on reddit?

trim cloud
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Idk

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I genuinely think it's just the issue with time travel and it will just make less sense the more you think about it

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I think there are three ways time travel can show up in media and the one this movie opted for is time loops which means that it's literally the guy saw the dial, made it, destroyed it, Indy found it, Indy traveled to his time, Indy showed him, Indy goes home with it, repeat

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So the dial can't exist if the time loop doesn't

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Which arguably means it should never have existed

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Or it could be evidence of a creator/God in the Indiana Jones universe

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Cuz all of time is preplanned

inland grove
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I mean, Gods for sure canon in Indy

trim cloud
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I wouldn't know but touche

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This was my first Indiana Jones movie

inland grove
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Oh gotcha. Yeah like, without spoiling much, the existence of God and Jesus is irrefutable in this universe

trim cloud
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Using SEA lore we know the tiki room is Canon in Indy so maybe Maui the time God made the entire plan of time including this specific time loop 0-0

inland grove
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It would not be the craziest thing in these movies, thats for sure

trim cloud
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Cuz Jungle Cruise is part of SEA and Rosita is referenced in the queue of the ride and tropical hideaway so yeah

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I wanna write a tiki room movie tbh

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Make a way for it to canonically work cuz I don't think the way it is in the ride would be possible lol

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So a tiki room movie could be cool

inland grove
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Seeing how disney throws away money on ride and land themed movies, i wouldnt be surprised if one happened

still mortar
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ALSO Y'ALL

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forget

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that it's based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

Antikythera mechanism

The Antikythera mechanism ( AN-tih-kih-THEER-ə) is an Ancient Greek hand-powered orrery, described as the oldest known example of an analogue computer used to predict astronomical positions and eclipses decades in advance. It could also be used to track the four-year cycle of athletic games which was similar to an Olympiad, the cycle of the anci...

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they do refer to it as such but it's a real item

trim cloud
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I mean makes sense why wouldn't it be based off of the real thing?

inland grove
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Damn i guess he finally got something into a museum

trim cloud
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What if we recreated it to see if it actually works?

trim cloud
fickle linden
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I love that they just killed off Mutt

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I’m assuming it’s the Korean War?

fickle linden
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This movie was a 5.5/10 for me. I hated the fact that Indy becomes this depressed and poor old man at the end. Also what I got from the “Dial” is that it was able to detect the location of the temporal fissures. So Voller set the time he wanted to go back and found a fissure, but what threw me off is that whole bit about the continental drift and why they went to a completely different time.

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Also if Archimedes built this thing to get help for winning the war, how did Voller show up before the dial was completed?

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Still got uncanny valley vibes from de-aged Indy. Can’t help notice the outer outline of their faces looking off. I will say though that AMC screens are fucking amazing.

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Some sort of laser projection

warped python
fickle linden
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I said that

elfin musk
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Shocking absolutely no one. The ending made me cry

warped python
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John Williams music do be that way.

fickle linden
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Where the fuck was Short Round

elfin musk
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Luffy one piece

still mortar
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Teddy

inland grove
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Straw Hat Teddy

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My favorite part is they have him make a fake cockpit just to justify him being able to fly later. Like why not just have someone else fly the plane?

fickle linden
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That’s the same kid as Luffy?

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He grew up quick

elfin musk
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Different actors but same vibe tbh

elfin rover
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I agree on the vibe

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(It was the hat)

inland grove
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Wear a hat and go near water? Luffy

elfin rover
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THE ONE PIECE IS REAAAAAL

inland rampart
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Honestly i thought that was him

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But yea same vibe

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If he just used his devil fruit powers against those nazis movie would’ve ended quickly

raw girder
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Too long

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Just kinda of a mess tbh, idk what the cia wanted with indy, how mads got a million henchmen to keep going with him even after they all keep dying

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The scene in the university where the dude just shoots the colleagues in cold blood was very shocking

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How did indy get off the murder charge when all the evidence disappeared lol

hybrid folio
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That old guy just got some shelves pushed on him and that's it.

raw girder
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Sallah was very fun

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I like the dial better than the skull

inland grove
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CIA got resolved didnt it? They all died. The end

inland grove
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I figured he was gonna be the lead

trim cloud
raw girder
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I would’ve also liked to have known why Helena went for the dial

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Like why now

raw girder
trim cloud
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I don't really remember it was like the nazi had a deal with the US government tho

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Will update when it's on disney+

raw girder
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I mean yeah they didn’t explain it lol

trim cloud
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Did it need to be explained?

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The deal is cut off within like five minutes of it being introduced, it's unimportant and only there to get Indy to run off to whatever he does after and whatever happens I don't remember cuz I only watched it once

raw girder
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Yeah I think it needed to be explained why the cia were okay with people they were working with killing random civilians, causing mass mayhem in pubic and thousands in property damage

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I think mads hiring Helena would’ve done a lot for the beginning of the movie

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The whole auction sequence is incredibly bad lol imo

trim cloud
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Not agreeing with Disney's choices, just trying to explain lol

fickle linden
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So the CIA part I understand because it refers to ex nazis working for nasa in exchange for living in the US but I don’t understand why the CIA were okay will killing us civilians

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Or what the purpose was of writing up a woman who just dies off.

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Or how MADS SURVIVES A PIPE TO THE FACE AT 60 MILES AN HOUR WITHOUT HIS FACE CAVING IN

raw lance
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also the CIA lady does get pissed at them for killing civilians

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the CIA stuff is just set dressing to explain why the Nazis are there and operating with lots of resources, the lady gets killed off which allows them to do their plan without her interfering

raw girder
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We don’t have that reason

raw lance
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do we need a reason? its the CIA, probably something in the name of "american security"

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i dont think we need a reason the CIA was involved, given the time period and their history

raw girder
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Everything happens for a reason

trim cloud
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We don't need to know the reason

inland grove
warped python
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I was under the impression that they were after Helena, but Volger finally went rogue when it became clear the CiA wouldn't let him continue his search for the dial

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I don't think the CIA was actually working with him in his capacity as a Nazi

fickle linden
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For the greater good - CIA

raw girder
inland grove
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Oh yeah, idk, maybe they just like nazis 🤷‍♂️

lean lark
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I am mixed on this

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Not a bad film but was missing a spark that made it feel like an Indy film.

still mortar
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It’s very dark

lean lark
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If that makes sense.

raw girder
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No I get what you are saying z

fickle linden
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felt too long

lean lark
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It was too long for sure.

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Too long, didn’t have that spark, and honestly kinda boring plot

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I didn’t ever feel like there was stakes to the plot.

elfin musk
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Am I just easy to please? Lmao

lean lark
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I mean if you like it great! Not gonna shit on anyone for liking it lol. For me it’s just meh is all.

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Theres still a lot of good in this film, I just don’t think its enough to balance out the meh.

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Also the idea of continental drift altering the coordinates was weird to me.

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Like I know it didn’t matter but it was a stupid line

still mortar
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Haha you are Obi but no shame in that

elfin musk
still mortar
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Probably a blessing

inland grove
lean lark
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Thinking more about this, I really actually love the idea that the dial only tells you how to get to that one moment in time

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But they didn’t do enough with it.

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Theres a blink and you miss it grandfather paradox of Archamides taking the watch

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Or no thats not a paradox is it, its actually a good case of closed time line

willow spire
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I really enjoyed the movie overall, I just think they could have given it a bit more time to work out a few kinks and it would have been even better.