It’s like a give and take imo but I don’t think the pursuit of perfection is ever easy or linear. But to me it seems like there’s clear actionable things that could be fixed at the management level.
#Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse
elder eagle
worn ruin
ok
long grotto
Should a character be still getting designed 5 months before release? Probably not but it's not as extreme of a situation depending on other factors.
fallow valley
It’s like a give and take imo but I don’t think the pursuit of perfection is eve...
I'm big on if you're going to crunch, management needs to be in it with you and there must be a carrot.
100% on this. Crunch must be rewarded. I don't think it ever goes away, but there needs to be a system in place to lessen the blow.
elder eagle
I'm big on if you're going to crunch, management needs to be in it with you and ...
Yep. For me I’m willing to work late / over when it feels worth it and necessary. I won’t do it all the time and I don’t want it to be a precedent.
But like my best creative products have often been the most collaborative and us tweaking things until the last moment.
I did a campaign and I spent two weeks basically coming up with nothing, brain block, and then the strongest idea by far presented at the last minute. It is what it is. But that was my choice and not an indecisive boss abusing me.
fallow valley
Some of our biggest ideas and wins came from meetings at 3AM after workshopping something for weeks prior. Creativity is a fickle thing unforutnately.
vague ingot
its also very sad to work on something for a long period of time like 6-9 months and then it gets completely cut
fallow valley
The highs are very high tho
And when the high is seeing your work on a massive screen that is playing around the globe, you really don't have many avenues to pursue that.
long grotto
You rarely hear someone say "I regret spending more time with my family and less time working on this one shot"
Also, Sony doesn't care much about their employees so in this case. The employees voted twice against joining the union because they liked their benefits more and didn't want to create ill will between themselves and upper management. What did upper management end up doing? Eroded their benefits and eventually relocated them to Vancouver.
amber hedge
I am 💀
worn ruin
It’s the Indian soap opera cuts
amber hedge
Indian serials where they have a shit ton of transitions
worn ruin
The audio is directly from one that went viral on YouTube
amber hedge
think of like... an anime character except the transitions are worst and it's a character not even relevant to the plot
hazy vigil
Well that was pretty interesting
hated the cliff-hanger there
So why does Morales' dad have to die? Didnt he lose his own Uncle prowler
long grotto
That's a main unanswered question especially since Miles wasn't supposed to be a spider-man
hazy vigil
did he not love uncle prowler
hazy vigil
and thats gonna be the twist at the end of the next one
although im mad they're forcing this to be a trilogy
well, not mad. its an eye feast.
amber hedge
soooo are they going to release all of them on one dvd because if so i'm insta buying it
Actually no, i'm buying regardless
long grotto
I'm still calling out Captain Singh being saved and causing a break in the canon event as a plothole given that specific incident was caused by Spot jumping into their universe and messing with the collider, not necessarily the point where and when he was supposed to die.
hazy vigil
timelines are a tricky thing
crisp aurora
fuck around in 1 universe enough and you get an incursion
hazy vigil
I'm still calling out Captain Singh being saved and causing a break in the canon...
counterpoint - spot was supposed to happen. and cause the death of singh
so still a canon event
long grotto
But they were calling and treating it like Miles breaking a canon event by saving Captain Singh, not an incursion like from MoM
If spot was supposed to happen, that means spider 42 was supposed to get transported to Miles' universe and there for he was meant to be a spider-man but that's not how they are framing it.
hazy vigil
well, thats just Vampire spiderman being incorrect
he assumes that Miles is the reason for the incursion.
long grotto
Either the filmmakers got sloppy or they are intentionally framing it wrong.
hazy vigil
this happens every fucking time anyone messes with Time in any movie
crisp aurora
I think its intentional misdirect
long grotto
Yes it does Jiga
hazy vigil
the writers just don't know how to handle time. and I agree with Neko
long grotto
We'll find out next year or whenever they finish the movie provided the artists don't revolt from being overworked.
hazy vigil
Also, what caused 2099 spiderman's world to obliterate everyone?
he didnt belong there so everyone else glitched?
oh he went to a timeline where he died
and took his place
long grotto
He jumped to another universe where he had a daughter and then that universe suffered an incursion
long grotto
Just like all time travel plots we're just going to go in circles here.
hazy vigil
oh Oscar Isaac is 2099 lol
crisp aurora
ya
long grotto
It's all the same in the multiverse
hazy vigil
Just like all time travel plots we're just going to go in circles here.
yup. when Endgame went there I was just like, yeah tahts cool but I'm out
i overanalyze any movie that deals with time travel and find paradoxes everywhere
so were all the spidermen mentioned actually comic book variations?
or were they mostly made up for these movies
amber hedge
uh Spectacular Spiderman was a show and he was on there
wanton hound
Insomniac was there too
vague ingot
Jiga the someone close to him uncle Ben is the prowler
The next person is a captain who’s near to spidey
Miles dad just became captain
That was so hard to read
hazy vigil
whats your point
vague ingot
What
hazy vigil
if Prowler was his Uncle Ben, then why does his dad have to die
vague ingot
Also future spidey is not a reliable narrator
hazy vigil
wait so you're saying every father figure for each spider person has to die?
im still not following
hazy vigil
oh it has to be Captain
cunning plaza
if Prowler was his Uncle Ben, then why does his dad have to die
So in comics after Uncle Ben dies Captain Stacy dies. Miles father is that.
hazy vigil
dont jiga pls me
So Tobey Maguires dad was a captain?
or he just died
what about Andrew Garfunkle
vague ingot
Idk I’m not saying future spiderman is correct
long grotto
But that still goes against the idea that Miles isn't supposed to be spider-man. The rules should not apply to him even if he is a spider-person if he wasn't supposed to be one.
vague ingot
I’m just saying the premise of why he wants miles to not do anything
vague ingot
But that still goes against the idea that Miles isn't supposed to be spider-man....
Future spiderman is wrong
That’s what we find out
cunning plaza
I mean the thing is fairly sure canon events are just BS that Miguel is using to his something.
hazy vigil
yes has to be
doesn't make any sense
like Bigfoot pointed out
Miles wasn't supposed to be a spiderman
or hes just wrong
is Spot villain original?
cunning plaza
To my knowledge yea
cunning plaza
Oh wow new info to me tbh.
And here I was thinking we got a new villain in spidey rogue gallery
Nope lol
hazy vigil
i thought he was Rorscahch at first
and i was like, wow they REALLY going all out on this multiverse thing
vague ingot
Spot is a great villain
I don’t necessarily think Miguel has ulterior motives
I think he’s just wrong
hazy vigil
Also Prowler Miles should have no powers at all right? that's gonna be fun to see
vague ingot
All tech yeah
cunning plaza
I don’t necessarily think Miguel has ulterior motives
I’m torn. I think he knows he’s wrong.
hazy vigil
i think he meant well, just misunderstands
vague ingot
I don’t really see the point of tricking miles
hazy vigil
no i get that but they keep bringing him up in this trilogy so
was just wondering if he was like the Green Goblin to Miles
wanton hound
prowler always felt like just a spin on the classic uncle ben story
Peter has the good uncle who dies a martyr, Miles has the evil uncle he has to fight
worn ruin
uh not sure why he loses two
One is the uncle dying and one is the police captain dying
I scrolled down and saw it was answered
Today I learned the first version of the Prowler was actually Hobie Brown
opal stone
Well if they want to deviate from the comics, they could make Miguel one of those vampires. they already sort of set it up with his fangs, which could obv just be him being part literal spider, but still
Sorry if that was already mentioned I just hopped in lol
worn ruin
Miguel is just a Morbius variant
opal stone
It’s the M name, they’ve been planning it all along
Also the holes jokes in the first half of the movie are super under appreciated
worn ruin
Finally, a marvel movie in 2023 with good hole jokes
opal stone
Man I dread to even think about what hole jokes other marvel movies could make
boreal tangle
I’m torn. I think he knows he’s wrong.
I think the majority of Spider-Persons have resigned themselves to thinking they have to constantly lose (again, that good good meta commentary on the comics and live action movies). Gwen was heading in that direction too, especially because Miguel probably showed her the pile of dead Gwen Staceys who fell in love with Spider-Man. But Gwen and Peter B meeting Miles has shaken their belief in that inevitability.
lunar gust
I think the majority of Spider-Persons have resigned themselves to thinking they...
What's wild to me is that even though Miguel said at the beginning to not disrupt the Cannon event they still helped Gwen stopped it. I feel like Miguel is also kind of punishing Miles because he knows Miles isn't a normal Spiderman like the rest of them by making sure he also has to suffer the same events
stuck ridge
Miguel isn't a normal spiderman either, and I think he's pushing Miles into it to make sure he stays a spiderman
lunar gust
Ohhhhh
stuck ridge
Miguel stole another spidermans life, and he's seeing Miles do the same (in his eyes) . He thinks he's helping
boreal tangle
Miguel isn't a normal spiderman either, and I think he's pushing Miles into it t...
Basically one guy made a mistake and now he wants to nanny state every hero in the multiverse to keep someone from repeating it.
hazy vigil
Miguel wasn’t supposed to be Spider-Man also?
vague ingot
Jiga nobody knows what’s going on
Miguel thinks he knows
Miles thinks he knows
Nobody really knows
boreal tangle
Miguel's version of events:
- He becomes Spider-Man
- He loses his family (a "canon event")
- He goes to a universe where Miguel O'Hara died but his family lived, and tries to essentially replace that missing Spider-Man.
- This second dimension gets destroyed because Miguel altered its canon*
- Miguel creates a cabal of predestination-focused Spider-Persons bent on making sure no Spider-Man ever breaks canon (and therefore destroys any more universes).
I put an asterisk on that fourth one because that's the biggest assumption Miguel is working off of right now. That it was his fault that world got destroyed and not some external factor.
Miguel is "not a normal Spider-Man" in the sense that he was, for a time, the Spider-Man of a different universe than the one where he got bit by the spider. Conversely, Miles is "not normal" because the spider that bit him was from another universe - it was "intended" for another person, on Earth 42.
vague ingot
That’s a good breakdown
opal stone
My question (which has probably been mentioned) is why Miguel’s dimension glitched out of existence while a massive black hole formed in mumbattan. It’s weird because the spider scientists were treating it like a canon breaking catastrophe, but it took a completely different form
cunning plaza
Miguel's version of events:
- He becomes Spider-Man
- He loses his family (a "ca...
Does he replace the universe’s Spider-Man? Or just that universe’s Miguel? My understanding is there was still a Peter Parker in that universe.
opal stone
Yeah I think he saw that universes Miguel die and replaced his body before anyone noticed
cunning plaza
My question (which has probably been mentioned) is why Miguel’s dimension glitch...
YEP! That was in a tik tok I saw and I was like “Oh thats a great point”, and I’m personally thinking Miguel knows this and is hidings something.
opal stone
Yea it seems more like a giant portal made by spot than a canon event
long grotto
The effect they used for Miguel’s dimension was like an incursion if I’m remembering right. So he likely caused that and didn’t have the tech at the time to safely move through the multiverse otherwise. Maybe that’s the tech they figured out at the end of Spiderverse 1
arctic elk
I'm also saw spider woman didn't stop Gwen from teleporting
But I feel like she'll trust Gwen again someday in the 3rd film maybe
boreal tangle
Jess is definitely going to turn on Miguel by the end of the third movie.
cunning plaza
I think everyone turns on Miguel tbh
But Miguel is gonna have something up his sleeve to neutralize Spider-People
boreal tangle
Does he replace the universe’s Spider-Man? Or just that universe’s Miguel? My un...
Is that shown in the movie?
cunning plaza
Is that shown in the movie?
I thought so, I’ve only seen it once.
boreal tangle
I remember a scene that implies that Peter B was there trying to save people when Miguel's dimensions collapsed (I think it shows him running down the street alongside Miguel) but didn't recall anything about Spider-Man or Peter in that universe.
I don't think Miguel stays the bad guy all the way through. I think once Miles saves his dad and it doesn't collapse the universe (or it turns out there's something else in play) he'll side with the heroes again
I don't think they'd make a Spider-Man the bad guy in these movies. Could be wrong
cunning plaza
I don't think Miguel stays the bad guy all the way through. I think once Miles s...
Maybe, idk which I want. They set up Miguel as the bad guy and I want them to stay with it I think.
I think Prowler Miles turns good.
opal stone
I think miles is gonna do the watch the hands not the mouth thing to prowler miles
cunning plaza
Oh 100%
arctic elk
Watch we get more spiderman enemies again
We got Renaissance vulture
cunning plaza
Watch we get more spiderman enemies again
We got Renaissance vulture
My guess is we get that on Earth-42 as part of act 1.
graceful quarry
But Miguel is gonna have something up his sleeve to neutralize Spider-People
Oh no, the bracelets
boreal tangle
I've got a theory: the third movie isn't going to start with the Comic Code Authority seal, or it's going to get busted up, since Miles and company are breaking bad against the status quo.
stuck ridge
"Let's do this one last time. My name is Miles Morales, and I'm Prowler"
boreal tangle
Off topic, but has anyone been getting competing ads for insect repellant on YouTube recently?
worn ruin
"Let's do this one last time. My name is Miles Morales, and I'm Prowler"
nah the one last time monologues are for spider people. that's why miguel didn't get one in the same style as everyone else
boreal tangle
Your life doesn't really become comic booky until the bite.
stuck ridge
Or the third movie they may start something. Or have a clean table to throw a comic on
All the Not Spiders
lunar gust
nah the one last time monologues are for spider people. that's why miguel didn't...
Think this is why Prowler Miles will get something similar but not quite just like how Miguel kinda had one. We're gonna find out what happened exactly to his dad, I wanna say something from the first movie is how his dad was killed
boreal tangle
Maybe more like a 90s comic. Different art style
worn ruin
https://vxtwitter.com/thepizzaisreel/status/1672610428856172546?s=46 WAS THIS NOT IN EVERY VERSION OF THE MOVIE
worn ruin
Nah you can hear the boo right before it cuts
long grotto
I'm pretty sure I got that scene right after he had the dual with western spidey and went early because counting to 3 is stupid
worn ruin
it only got a single XD screen back near me 
flash was supposed to have imax exclusivity across the whole country that shit is bombing HARD
long grotto
This weekend as in today and tomorrow? Cause if so, it's not showing on any of the premium formats at either AMC I normally go to.
worn ruin
For the coming week
If it’s not in premium formats near you then they didn’t switch it
The amc here gave most of the Dolby shows to elemental and flash is keeping imax
long grotto
It looks like most of the AMCs don't have their schedules fully up past Wednesday. One does list it in IMAX for Thursday though
worn ruin
That’s probably gonna be the only imax showing it gets then
Because Indy will take it that afternoon
long grotto
Oh that's right. I even have an IMAX indy showing that night
lunar gust
no cake
cobalt arch
Needs more cake
opal stone
Oh no, the bracelets
All hail plankton
graceful quarry
https://vxtwitter.com/fishfibre/status/1672526001408995328?s=20
cobalt arch
empty cosmos
long grotto
cunning plaza
worn ruin
boreal tangle
Beyond the Spiderverse about to be the Half-life 3 of movies.
https://movieweb.com/spider-man-beyond-the-spider-verse-release-date-delay-sony-marvel/
vague ingot
Wouldn’t be surprised to see a year delay
Would be exceedingly surprised if the movie never came out
graceful quarry
Avatar 3 or spiderverse 3. Which comes first
long grotto
Given what people have said about the working conditions of Across, I hope there is a delay instead of overworking everyone again
vague ingot
Avatar 3 or spiderverse 3. Which comes first
What’s avatar 3s current release date?
lucid tusk
What’s avatar 3s current release date?
December 2025 
Was Dec '24, and it probably needed a delay but they probably did the full year to get the Dec release day
But it was filmed with A2, just gonna be in post for a few years
vague ingot
I think Spiderverse beats it
cunning plaza
My guess is Spider-Verse 3 either comes out this time frame 2025 or December 2024, Avatar 3 is gonna hopefully make its Dec 2025 timeframe but I ain’t holding my breath on it
vague ingot
I don’t see how avatar 3 misses it if they are done filming tbh
cunning plaza
I think the fact that they pushed back means they might have to do pick up shots filming
Probably realized as they were filming 4 that there was something they didn’t cover that needs to be in 3 or something like that
boreal tangle
I guess it depends on if they have any kind of script or not
boreal tangle
For Beyond
cunning plaza
I’m fairly sure they got a script of some sort
worn ruin
Y’ALL
long grotto
Don’t final a shot and have the animation redone 5 times though
graceful quarry
Lotta words to say its not coming out in 2024
long grotto
I like the idea that he's a vigilante instead of just another villain in an already messed up world. Makes more sense too
cunning plaza
Agreed, makes a lot more sense. My guess is he still leans more anti-hero than traditional spider-man
hardy geyser
@worn ruin mid
cobalt arch
hardy geyser
The best part about the movie besides Spider-Man India is that JK Simmons is JJJ in every universe
crisp aurora
<@192015186847203328> mid
lunar gust
hardy geyser
If I had a nickel for every movie where a bagel potentially collapses the multiverse I’d have 2 bagels
vague ingot
What’s the bagel to nickel exchange rate
hardy geyser
At least 2 more hours of sleep
crisp aurora
cobalt arch
Smh people don’t follow the lore
graceful quarry
crisp aurora
No I just like giving him a hard time 
worn ruin
did some decorating in my apartment and i guess i gotta get some more shit and make this a full on spiderverse corner now
hardy geyser
did some decorating in my apartment and i guess i gotta get some more shit and m...
Don’t forget the trans flag
Protect trans kids!
boreal tangle
If you don't clean that corner for a while you might get some spiderwebs for extra immersion
hardy geyser
It gud movie
long grotto
Art of book just came out and it's already out of stock at Amazon
hardy geyser
I love this movie
Almost
I need beyond then I can fully love
I almost became USC when it ended
cobalt arch
sullen latch
That Hobie is so good. I love how they did they hair. 
elder eagle
Wow that’s crazy good
worn ruin
love that i've seen multiple artists do this
its a good bit
its also fun because i get to block people who are very butthurt about gwen being trans
stuck ridge
It's a good Trans joke
I love how people have decided Pavitr doesn't have a thought in that pretty little head
sullen latch
https://fxtwitter.com/dtjaaaam/status/1675506989743624192
UGH THIS IS SO GOOD I LOVE HIS HAIR SO MUCH
@wheat tapir
wheat tapir
worn ruin
I’m rockin with this I might have to get it
cunning plaza
TLDR spider math of what % of Spider people are Peter Parker’s
Not really spoilers for this film but enough about it to go here imo
hardy geyser
Still thinking about this movie
worn ruin
worn ruin
vague ingot
Kojima W
hazy vigil
He didn’t comment on the writing though
hardy geyser
Bro he called it the future of entertainment what more do you need
hazy vigil
Wife liked the first one better. I’m trying to decide if I agree
vague ingot
I think the cliffhanger does take a lotta oomph out
Stylistically this one clears though
hazy vigil
Visually yeah
worn ruin
opal stone
worn ruin
worn ruin
When you get all your closing tasks done way earlier than anticipated so you sneak to the back 
cobalt arch
worn ruin
They don’t need to know im getting paid to watch spider man
wanton hound
damn i didn't realize it was still in theaters
cobalt arch
