I honestly really like this cast in general
#Survivor
charred warren
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hmmm interesting adventure twist. Jelinsky was kinda screwed no matter what, he could either burn a bridge with Maria or lose his vote. Basically if there's any attitude of bond-building in that trio, the person who draws the skull card is just fucked
BUT it also doesn't help his quitter narrative that he folded on the lie lmao
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I think Jelensky just let himself get run over in that game. He did draw the short straw but Maria played him like a fiddle.
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she played him well but I think she probably just correctly made him realized that he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't
charred warren
Yeah it honestly wasn’t as big of a fumble as his tribe made it out to be i think
Dealing with 2 extra votes at merge (if they both don’t get used before) isn’t as bad as having an extra vote at 6 imo
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But it’s an empty threat. “Lie to me in this game about lying and I’ll tell my tribe that you’re a liar…in the game of survivor.”
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oh he's explaining it badly to his tribe too
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But it’s an empty threat. “Lie to me in this game about lying and I’ll tell my t...
listen leverage is leverage, any proof you can get to create a consensus is valuable
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Yeah, he gives himself the worst of both worlds here.
But really, he should’ve realized that here and now is more important than hypothetical tomorrows and focused on keeping his vote for his current alliance.
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Yeah, I like Jess a lot too.
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omg she lives in San Francisco!!
Jess let's hang out, I can help you not get lost in the mall
HAHAHAHA NOT THEM PUBLICLY MAKING FUN OF JELINSKY FOR "SEVERAL MEANS SEVEN"
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It really should’ve been the title of the episode.
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I was about to ask if you got to the immunity challenge yet because I needed your thoughts on the 🦎
I just listened to the podcast and they discuss what went into building them. One guy basically did it all himself.
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it's dumb and I love it
"that is 500 pounds of Survivor gecko" is a sentence I never thought I'd hear Jeff Probst say
the only question here to me is which color gecko would y'all wanna buy from the CBS/Survivor online merch store
I want purple
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The geckos are a big topic of discussion on the subreddit
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Jeff: They have been in charge of this challenge from the get-go
Soda: from the gecko!
hehehehehehehehehe
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The geckos are a big topic of discussion on the subreddit
in which way? like anything thoughtful or just "I've had this gecko for five minutes and if anything happened to it I would kill everyone in this room and then myself" kinda way?
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Yeah, one tribe has been pretty dominant so far.
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womp womp
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No, just a lot of love for the whimsy and design. Some discussion about how dangerous it was to get under it to try to lift it.
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oh and the tribe going to tribal is the tribe where two people don't have a vote
I'm guessing it's between Jess and Jelinsky
crossing fingers for Jess, fuck Jelinsky
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It’s a pretty wild tribal for such an easy vote.
Just remember, no matter what happens it’s going to be a crazy blindside that no one could see coming.
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I feel like you telling me that kinda spoils the result honestly
because who would be dumb enough to find themselves blindsided after biffing literally everything the first two days
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||Oh, I’m sorry. Didn’t mean to spoil it for you. ||
I’ll be quiet until you’re done.
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it's ok! I think talking about things that have happened is fine, but in the future if I'm ever watching late just no teasing upcoming stuff please!
even if I happen to be interpreting it wrong, I'd rather go in blind
please let the overconfident white man go home instead another woman of color as the first out please let the overconfident white man go home instead another woman of color as the first out please let the overconfident white man go home instead another woman of color as the first out please let the
ah yes, such a blindside
there is justice in the world 🙌
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Jess’ tribal performance made me sad for her. I can’t imagine being on ADHD meds and having to go off them to be on the show. She must be barely functioning.
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"when you're comfortable in this game, that's when you go home" HOW ON EARTH WERE YOU COMFORTABLE FOR EVEN A SECOND DUDE
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But yeah, what is it with Survivor voting off the petite women of color first?
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I would kill to have this level of misplaced confidence in myself
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"when you're comfortable in this game, that's when you go home" HOW ON EARTH WER...
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But yeah, what is it with Survivor voting off the petite women of color first?
any drive for tribe strength early on is often a big knock against women, particularly smaller women. And since for most of Survivor casts have been majority white (they only started REALLY upping their diversity in casting in recent years), it's easy for people of color to get "othered" especially when first impressions are all you have to go off of
tl;dr racism and sexism
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Yeah, figured.
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also the exactly two seasons where a women's alliance has dominated a season have made men perpetually feel threatened by the idea of a women's alliance
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Loud obnoxious white guys yell over a woman and everyone takes his side and votes her out. Tale as old as time.
There’s a debate on Reddit over who was the worst player: Jelinsky or Brandon? I still go Brandon.
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Brandon gave some of the worst challenge performances of all time
Jelinsky might have had better physicality, but he had an inflated ego and was unreliable
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On thing I’ll say in Jelinsky’s defense. I don’t think it was initially his idea to quit the savvy challenge. I think the other guy actually suggested it first and planted the idea in his head and used Jelinsky as a blame shield for quitting.
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if you start a season from scratch ten times I do think Jelinsky does better than Brandon
what are you basing it on that you think Q was ever considering quitting that challenge? He didn't seem at ALL like he was considering it, he was pep talking Jelinsky the whole way through
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He asked Jelinsky where his head was at and Jelinsky’s response implied that he was agreeing with Qi’s initial suggestion that they quit. Something like “yeah you’re right there’s not enough time to finish. Let’s quit.” Something like that.
keen junco
Jess wasn’t on meds until after the game
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lemme rewatch that clip, I didn't read it that way at all personally
I read that he was checking if Jalinsky had made up his mind and once he had he was like welp okay
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If that was the case and I was Q I would let Jelinsky go back and at least make a show of trying to finish the challenge. I wouldn’t exhaust myself but I would make sure the tribe didn’t see me quit.
keen junco
I can’t find her tweet
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ok that task wasn't impossible with two people but it WAS impossible with just one, it would have been a waste of energy on Q's part to do it by himself to just make a show of it
also it clearly wasn't necessary for him to do that
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Jess wasn’t on meds until after the game
also they don't make people go off meds for the show, it's only an issue if someone doesn't disclose meds or is on meds that would be dangerous to take while not eating food
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Then I’d at least make a bigger show of trying to talk Jelinsky out of it so that when we go back with three hours left I can demonstrate that I did all that I could to keep Jelinsky going.
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I think it's likely there was a bigger conversation and we only saw part of it
we did see plenty of clips of him trying to hype Jelinsky up and keep him going
Here’s the clip, they absolutely do NOT show Q suggesting first that they can’t do it
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Oh ok. There were a few threads on Reddit discussing it and people were saying that ADHD meds aren’t permitted because it gives advantages in the game (focus, appetite suppressant, etc). I also thought she said somewhere that she reduced her meds in the days before the game started.
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I'm looking up online and it looks like Jalinsky has suggested in his exit interviews that Q suggested quitting first, but Q flatly denied it
and since Jalinsky hasn't exactly proven himself to be the most reliable narrator
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Ha. That’s so Jalinsky
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I’d like to know how that convo started though. I trust Q more than Jalinsky on this but what prompted the conversation in the first place.
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also in his exit interview MONTHS LATER Jalinksy is standing by "several means seven", mans is an idiot
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I’d like to know how that convo started though. I trust Q more than Jalinsky on ...
eh, the "this is really hard and I'm worried we can't finish it in time" seems like a natural thought to me, it's just a matter of if you give into that or not. This definitely isn't the first season where the people doing the sweat challenge have worried that they might be wasting their time and energy and they actually can't get it done
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I feel for Hunter. I’m right there with him. A quiet introvert stuck on a high energy, toxic positivity tribe where you have to play along or be ostracized even though it’s mentally exhausting for you.
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listen I'm an introvert and camp songs are fun
and just because it's positive doesn't mean it's toxic positivity
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If people are talking behind his back because he’d rather sleep or do camp chores than do camp songs (I am an introvert who does not enjoy singalongs) then the positivity is at least a little toxic/culty.
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they didn't really show people talking down on him, in fact they showed Tevin and Soda agreeing that they felt good about him
he was the only one saying he didn't fit in
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Oh I thought there was a scene where some of them strategize against him.
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iirc they showed him being scared of that happening but mostly showed that he was able to bond with Tevin over the Andy Griffith Show
the main rumbling on the orange tribe seems to be Venus versus that suspicious guy whose name I don't remember
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Soda targets someone and discusses using him as a number but I don’t remember the details.
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ahhh yeah it was that older guy who was sus of Venus, Soda tips her off about it
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Oh did you catch soda grabbing the immunity idol out of someone else’s hands as Jeff was handing it to them?
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Yeah she snatches it out of one woman’s hands and hands it to I think the other woman.
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Oh, I totally forgot about Bhandu's silence followed by "is it time to vote" at last week's tribal. Just classic.
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yeah that was great
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"I feel like I'm not making friends, which is just like my parents fleeing the Iranian revolution"
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Idk how that is relatable but go girl
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probably shoehorning in her backstory because she's about to get voted off.
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I read it more as "people assume I have had it easy but I haven't"
but yeah not looking great for her
(Denise is my faaaaavorite)
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I was hoping there'd be a scene of them all bonking their heads against each other as they run into each other while idol hunting.
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Is that his name?
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same, Venus for the drama or Hunter because I liked his self aware comment
don't care about Randen
I might if they told us literally anything about him other than he doesn't trust Venus
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I think Kenzie is overplaying
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She needs to like chill
charred warren
Lol did she expect them to be receptive
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yeah pitching final 3 to someone you haven't really talked strategy with does not feel very honest
charred warren
Also saying “hey target my closest allies who also happen to be strong players” feels like such a bait move to have a reason to vote them out
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yeah that's a good point too
why did I just get a Hello Fresh ad of Keke Palmer hopping out of some random women's fridge
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lol
Same
I already have this shbscriptionnnnn meal plan mam
Siga is my favorite tribe
I’ve decided
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Twitter
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Tbh
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this is so funny
Taylor Swift vs. Metallica
I think Charlie has an advantage sheerly due to the overwhelming size of Taylor's discography
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how many albums does she have?
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ten
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Liz is not going to win
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and some of them are looooooooong
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Metallica has more than 10 albums
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I just checked and Metallica apparently has 151 songs, so Ben named 2/3 of them off the top of his head
devout oar
Jeez
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looks like Metallica has 11 studio albums
length of the album is also a factor, Taylor has a couple that are over 20 tracks
ok I'm seeing the number 243 for number of Taylor Swift tracks out there
I am unclear if that is double counting rerecorded songs
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from enemies to friends, I'm here for it
charred warren
I feel like people are playing really smart this season which is a change of pace from the last
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They’ll never suspect randen too bc they’re not paying attention to him
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I think Swifties also tend to be more likely to know every song of every one of her albums.
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I think that's also true
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Ben was skipping albums that he didn't know too well because he didn't like them. I can't imagine Swifties not knowing every lyric to every album or ever thinking that any of her albums are skippable.
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nah most of them think debut is skippable
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Shocked faces every time
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but will still avidly listen to the rerecord when it comes out
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...and now everyone's laughing at him. Legend indeed
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LAST NAME FIRST OUT
SO FUCKING SAVAGE
"WERE THERE SEVERAL REASONS YOU VOTED HIM OUT, OR..."
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Really not liking Soda. Had the sense that she can dish it but cannot take it last episode and this kind of confirms it.
Don't make Jeff have to cut a bitch
devout oar
Jeff is about to wear a neutral color hat next time
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Jeff getting out exclusively the khaki and black hats for the rest of the season
devout oar
You dont get to choose to sit out but then get first dibs on gear wtf
“I’ll contribute nothing and then use the gear everyone earned”
Unless you’re a professional snorkeler
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she does live in San Diego
could be a beach gal
also I personally don't think it really matters if you sat out the challenge or not, unless you sit out like EVERY challenge
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so I guess Kenzie's getting blindsided tonight
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are you that far ahead of us?
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no, just assuming Yanu is going to lose this challenge
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the cuts to Liz and Mo just chattin' are very funny
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They’re similar
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the benchwarmer alliance forms
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They’re gonna need to redo the tribes or something
charred warren
I want each challenge to start with the tribes roasting each other now
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this looks miserable
charred warren
I like that it has a physical component tbf, prevents the usual issues with puzzle equalizers
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it's so hard to watch everyone have THIS hard a time though
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oh man, are they just going to call it like when the tide went out during the underwater breathing challenge.
devout oar
Everyone is like starving
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yeah was not expecting a commercial break
devout oar
I would not be doing solidly in this instance
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also this challenge seems like it pretty specifically has a benefit to height which kinda sucks to me
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this slo mo is disturbing
charred warren
Praying for anyone but Jess atp
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who did it take?
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yeah, that challenge should've been tested more
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yeah I have no upper body strength and I'm not very tall, I'd be no help in this
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The puzzle was more strategic than anything. None of the teams really thought or communicated how to get the blocks in place. The first two teams mostly just got it through trial and error.
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also putting a lot of the blame on Jess doesn't seem fair to me because it's not her fault they couldnt' communicate
charred warren
Not a good decision by venus to do this when the tribe is against her
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yeah, she's just a convenient target
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Yeah I think they blamed her bc it was easy to do so bc she doesn’t fit in
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like Bhanu's outbursts there were ALARMING
devout oar
Bhanu thinks it’s like survivor: Bhanu and friends
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Bhanu is very emotion-forward which was super endearing episode 1 when everything was new and fresh and excitement
when things are tough, it's a lot less endearing
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thought for sure Tevin was going to break the sling when he was messing with it.
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Venus seems determined to be miserable ngl
it was an accident and she turned it into an "everyone is against me" and immediately started shit talking the only person on the tribe who likes her
charred warren
Yeah like why did she do that lol
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oh, just give Tiffany some space. If I walk away so I can cry uncontrollably in private, please do not come find me and make me engage.
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sometimes people do better not being left alone, it really depends on the person
charred warren
Not sure if I’m farther ahead but this whole ||fake idol|| plan makes zero sense
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it's cruel. There's no point to this.
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Not sure if I’m farther ahead but this whole ||fake idol|| plan makes zero sense
they're trying to negate the risk of her playing her shot in the dark
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it's an easy vote tonight. Jess, with a safety vote at Bhanu
charred warren
I guess so, but I feel like you could genuinely just convince her to vote bhanu
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or, just talk to her like an adult and say we're voting Bhanu
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that's probably also happening
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sorry, was talking to the screen while these idiots tried to figure out what to do after Jess didn't find the fake idol.
devout oar
I wouldn’t blindly trust anyone on survivor
Like sure give me the immunity idol and tell me who to vote for and then I’ll just pick someone else lol
You wouldn’t just give someone a immunity idol this early on
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it's a hard line to toe between not being too trusting and being paranoid
but yeah I'd also be sus of someone handing me an idol this early in the game
like I can't be THAT valuable to you this early
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they're making Tiff and Kenzie look really cocky though which makes me think they are setting up a Kenzie blindside
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The openness is very interesting at tribal
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if they're too cagey Jeff let's them have it
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If I were on the show and at TC, I wouldn't say a word and be a jerk to Jeff if he tried to come after me. What's he going to do? Kick me off the show if I refuse to answer his loaded questions?
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cuss you out and make sure you're as invisible as possible in the edit
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Damn he said what’s the connections and Bhanu is just giving it out lmao
charred warren
Tbf you’d probably get voted out if you’re the only one not saying anything at tribal
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but also if they don't perceive you're willing to play into the rigmarole of the show they probably wouldn't cast you
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cuss you out and make sure you're as invisible as possible in the edit
fine by me
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WTH Bhanu omfg
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being emotion-forward is one thing, but Bhanu is impulsive and a live wire
devout oar
It’s gonna be Bhanu bc he’s open mouthed
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there's being in touch with your emotions and then there's being ruled by them
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I hope they bring Jess back
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awwwww rip
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was really hoping the Kenzie blindside talk would lead to something but I guess it was all just padding.
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yeah :/
devout oar
Even though she’s done she’s shaken the shit up tho bc she told everyone’s alliances or whatever
And then Bhanu has also
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realistically this makes the most sense as the choice, she was def the odd one out socially as well as being perceived as a challenge weak link
just means they edited it well to fake us out I guess
charred warren
I still think bhanu should’ve gone after that tribal lol
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I mean he's DEFINITELY next on their chopping block after that lmao
but they weren't going to change the vote live at tribal just because he got paranoid
devout oar
He can’t be trusted now
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he might have the worst emotional regulation of anyone I've seen on Survivor
like he just does not THINK even for a second before his feelings become words
charred warren
I’m kinda enjoying how mean the cast is so far 😭
Like I couldn’t handle this every season but it’s a nice change of pace
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yeah they sassy
hybrid plover
Did Jess really deserve all that hate? I think if Kenzie sticks around she is going to be a villain for sure
also soda was downright cruel with the food comment and the overall mocking of jezneck from everyone was harsh, he was bad...but still
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Soda is a bully.
devout oar
alright clocking in
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so no one should trust kenzie and q
everyone should be aware this episode that they will play u
waiting for bhanu to freak out
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purple tribe is just an all-around mess
devout oar
yeah fr
LMAO tribal is exactly where to air it out
omg bhanu
dont cry
bhanu is me, blindly optimistic and always blindsided
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bhanu I feel like should have seen enough of this show as someone who applied the MINUTE he was eligible to know about people giving half-answers at tribal
like that's what I don't understand
devout oar
yeah he definitely is in his head too deep
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he should know how critical that is and have seen enough examples of how to say something without saying it
devout oar
living for his knitted sweater
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I was about to say, INCREDIBLE sweater
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I feel like we haven't really seen it yet, so I was kinda confused about that. Like has he had it put away? did they just give them an extra set of clothes?
Kenzie's sweater too, have we seen that before?
devout oar
theyre like dang its cold, heres a thrifted sweater
i mean they know their color schemes for their skin tones
honestly
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they usually have them submit several options for clothing so I doubt this is something survivor bought FOR them
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production is like "hey send us a bunch of clothes in various color schemes"
and then on day 1 production is like "here's what you're wearing today, we picked based on everything you submitted"
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everyone has a shot in the dark
devout oar
oh oh
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it's new as of season 41, you can forfeit your vote to play your shot in the dark at tribal, and it's like a 1 in 7 chance of immunity
devout oar
OOOOO
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it's why they did that whole fake idol thing for Jess last week - they wanted her to not play her shot in the dark
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if anything I think that makes it LESS messed up and more strategic
it's covering their bases to remove any chance of her screwing up her plan
like it wasn't just purposeless and mean, they were trying to guarantee that a unanimous vote couldn't go wrong
devout oar
dang jem is a beast
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I feel like we haven't seen much of Jem at this point
devout oar
omfg rebury the boxxxxxx
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is she reburying it somewhere different? that works I guess lol
excuse u the nickname Survivor Macgyver is already taken
devout oar
who?
devout oar
He built everything?
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it was actually an epsiode title early in season 31
devout oar
man if they vote hunter out they better not. keep the man so he can build you all a bed lol
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"my perspective is I'm not blind" jesus christ
devout oar
shes trying to take the heat off being standoffish towards everyone
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yeah absolutely, trying to turn the tribe on literally anyone else
devout oar
a mild stroke?
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jeeeez what the heck
devout oar
dude this is exactly when to not compete
advance your injury
dont do it mann
OMG FRODOOOOO
blue idoll
how cute
the way i would fail this
swimming, upper body strength
sheesh
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"TAKE A BREATH, LOVES OF MY LIFE"
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damn there goes my prediction based on the edit that we were getting Nami at tribal
HAHA he literally got all 5 before either other tribe had one
devout oar
we're in a universe where charlie is beating q
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swiftie supremacy
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jeeeeeeez
devout oar
theyre so focused on like side swiping
devout oar
what a werid combo choice
bhanu is gonna so rip
hes gonna let all hell out
with strangers
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absolutely
I'm predicting he still goes home but he's gonna make it as messy as possible on his way out
devout oar
yeah
what a way to like start your journey in america
im gonna go on a tv show and get lied to manipulated and all around swung
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well being a new citizen doesn't mean he's new to the country
devout oar
thats true
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in fact it would actually be really unusual if he got here and then quickly was able to become a citizen
"as a former division one athelete I should have had better aim while throwing sandbags after not eating for seven days"
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he was a football player, if he was a basketball player I could understand holding yourself to this high of a standard but man ti's so hard to watch someone just destroy themselves over something like that
devout oar
ahahahahahah
just barfing it out
manipulating in times of weakness
man
oh my god
"that does not rock" is my new go to
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I dare Ben to just once use a metaphor that is not rock music
devout oar
hes dedicated to his branding
NICOLAS CAGE IS AN IDOL?!
"yo dude"
OOOOOOOOO
Q IS SHAKING IT UP
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if this isn't a total red herring, this could be super interesting
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maybe not anymore, now that both the other tribes know she's supposedly running the show
if she does make the merge they'll target her first
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they could reset to three tribes of 5 after this week
good chance of that happening tbh
oh no this isn't good
devout oar
dang
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if we're still getting a tribal it's gonna be VERY quick
devout oar
dang jeff is just jumping in on everyone lmao
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also they probably asked her in confessional "how do you think this impacts your game" and so she answered and that's the part of the clip they used because it's relevant moving forward
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bhanu truly hanging on by the skin of his teeth
also keep in mind he STILL doesn't have a vote the next time he goes to tribal
devout oar
what does that mean
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are we getting a tribe swap?
devout oar
oh oh
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sorry think not thing lol that woulda helped
devout oar
i think they will keep the tribes together to play out this vote change for kenzie
and see if bhanu tells kenzie that its turning against her
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I'm gonna predict a swap
devout oar
or how long it takes him to do it
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I do wonder what would have happened if they had gone to tribal, ultimately I don't think tiff would have flipped though and it would have stayed on bhanu
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lmaooooooo
devout oar
next week is gonna be crazy
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ok no swap it looks like lol
and bhanu IMMEDIATELY revealing he told them everything
devout oar
RIGHT
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tiffany and kenzie this epsiode: we got a win, I'm so happy we don't have to vote bhanu out
tiffany and kenzie next episode: I can't wait to vote bhanu out
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Bhanu is just...exhausting. I think Q is wrong about him. You can't even count on him as a number.
hybrid plover
He's like watching a paranoia study in real time, I thought he was going to snap.
Qs trauma showing the damage of adults making school sports a big thing as incredibly damaging.
Kenzie needs to go ASAP
I want the three tribe start to Go, one tribe always ends up utterly destroyed and the game is just weird for the rest of it
charred warren
Yeah two tribes would be nice
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Apparently Jeff likes the small tribes because “there’s nowhere to hide”. But yeah, the last few seasons have had the same dynamic where one tribe gets run over and theres a stupid twist that doesn’t work
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a common problem they have with two starting tribes is the starting tribe loyalty is a lot stronger and often leads to a more boring merge because one tribe just annihilates the other. When the tribes are smaller, they don't have a numbers advantage by default at the merge and it leads to the late game usually being more dynamic.
trim sentinel
I thought the bottom of the majority tribes usually end up flipping on their original tribes? Or the majority tribe starts cannibalizing themselves because they want to blindside FTC threats while they still have the majority.
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if a single person flips, it usually still ends up being whatever the majority is just destroying the minority. Sometimes you get a majority that fucks it up, but there are a LOT of seasons with two starting tribes (and especially but not exclusively two starting tribes and no swaps), where one tribe just holds onto the majority and takes out the other one by one, and it's really really boring
it's often referred to as a "Pagonging", because it happened in season 1 where the Tagi tribe took advantage of dysfunction in the Pagong tribe and just took them out one by one by one.
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Season 1 was where Richard Hatch was the only player who organized a voting bloc, right? Everyone else just voted their own conscience and were lied to about the existence of an alliance.
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yeah Richard was part of the first alliance on Survivor, other players were like "alliances are dirty and bad" and then they all lost to the alliance lol
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I guess most of the seasons I’ve seen are ones where the majority tribe at the merge overthinks it or self-sabotages and eventually lose their majority. Someone always flips.
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that's because those are the GOOD seasons and therefore the ones they put on Netflix
iirc I told you to skip season 22 on Amazon Prime because it sucks
season 22 is a pagonging
season 23 is also a pagonging
season 24, which iirc you watched, also a pagonging
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Don’t remember them by season #. The only one I remember is the men vs women where the men voted themselves off because men are dumb.
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the dynamic of the cast going into the merge makes a huuuuuuuge difference on how interesting the season is. People forget the premerge, so Survivor cares less about screwing people at that point if in the long term it makes for a better season
yeah that one
One World
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Is one world season 24?
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yep
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How is that a pagong if the minority is able to flip it and get the majority to self-destruct? Maybe I don’t understand what a Pagong is.
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Pagonging is when one tribe methodically takes out the other
and there's no variation in who's gonna go home past about the early merge
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So not just the majority tribe taking out the minority?
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no, keep in mind in the first season they went into the merge tied
there was no majority
and that was the original Pagonging
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Well that was one sociopath having a fundamental understanding of the game and leveraging that against everyone else.
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Richard Hatch was not the sole person in that alliance lol
it was four people, not one sociopath
correction, it was four people and one idiot who went in alphabetical order of who he was voting for and the alliance of four just piled onto whoever the idiot was voting for to gain a majority
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But he was the main organizer of it, right? Talked them into it and held them together when some of them had doubts about the spirit of the game?
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I think in hindsight people give him sole credit which is not true
I think the Tagi alliance was pretty even
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I do remember that one guy abdicating any responsibility for his vote, selecting someone at random, and then announcing who he was voting for long before Tribal.
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yep and then being SO SURPRISED that whoever he picked went home every time
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Oh I only remember him doing it once. Is that how they did it multiple times? It worked because so many of the players felt guilty voting for anyone.
Was Pagong even an alliance? They didn’t actually organize any of their votes, did they? I mostly just remember them occasionally speculating whether Tiga was voting en bloc, Tiga denying it, and then getting another Pagong member voted out.
hybrid plover
ah, a survivor classic, praying to God for success in a reality TV show
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|| lol such a bad player, the tribe is bad but he's on a whole different level ||
|| lot of respect for tonight's boot but they're just not suited for the game ||
devout oar
I’ve got ten minutes till it’s on
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It’s bhanu praying for a chance when the other tribe having an injury and sending that guy home was his chance to redeem himself, for me
And bhanu still messed it up
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Is Bhanu neurodivergent?
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maybe don't try to build Moriah's confidence with jumping. Maybe actually help her with her technique. She literally doesn't know how to jump.
devout oar
Dang bhanu is gonna go for sure
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Bhanu is having a crisis of his faith in God and is now being consoled by someone who can't wait to vote him out.
devout oar
Bhanu has the same level of insecurity I had in like middle school
Bhanu is gonna info dump one last time lmao
Oh man
Didn’t even waste the time voting
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Oh wow ||They don't even bother voting. ||
watch the Survivor community ||call this a quit now||
keen junco
they have had returning players before
charred warren
I think for the next beware advantage the downside should be that bhanu joins your tribe
keen junco
there’s been a number of occasions where the person going home is so glaringly obvious that they don’t even go through the motions
if Jeff thought it was a quit he wouldn’t have snuffed his torch
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watching the episode now and I'm dying at "why did he come on this show? he could have just gone camping"
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IT'S NOT YOUR MINDSET, IT'S YOUR GRINDSET
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watching Amazing Race. There's usually just one team where one person completely carries their partner (usually parent/child teams) and I hate it. This season has two.
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||this montage of Bhanu's idol search when we know Tiff has the idol already is painful||
||oh god getting on his knees to beg Tiff, I hate watching this. Just go to tribal and let it be done||
keen junco
I'll also add, that Q said on twitter that they were offered the ability to do a full vote, but they declined
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awwwwwww jeff gave him a hug
I'm also here for the absolute mess Jem stirred up on the green tribe
it's giving 
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I bet it blows back on her as they figure out who has the idol
keen junco
she didn’t tell anyone else she had it
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everyone is playing really hard this season, I feel like it's going to be more a "hey, mad respect" sort of situation, at least assuming she successfully keeps it a secret, which so far it seems like she's doing a good job of
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It's kind of amazing that this tribe hasn't found the idol yet
devout oar
They are not hufflepuffs
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I don't think I've ever seen this guy before. I have no idea who he is
"what beware advantage?" She's such a bad liar
Tim? Don't think I've ever seen him or heard him speak before.
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Jeff's a real asshole
devout oar
I am surprised he even said that
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I typed that at the 'losers" remark. I didn't know he was going to keep going like that.
Oh Yanu can barely move. they're so screwed unless another tribe really fucks up.
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Theyre like starving, cant even be kind? Like dang Jeff
If Q messes this up he’s gonna blame his athleticism again
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Yanu is probably going to fail at the target shooting. Q's the only one who has any strength and he's falling fast.
wow 3 for 4 for the winning tribe
the targets looked a lot further away during the preview.
oh fuck this slo-mo
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||I like that they spent so much time on this challenge and he ended up not being anywhere close||
devout oar
Love the whole try out for survivor commercial being first
Like enjoy not eating and freezing? Join survivor!
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you didn't win. you just didn't lose.
devout oar
Dang what a sneak!
Ultimate stealth
No more salsa
This is making me have anxiety
Dang what a gamble that was
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||When she found the idol I thought "I bet she gets blindsided at TC"||
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||Well I wouldn't either. I'd be too embarrassed. I'd only give it to someone I want the rest of the tribe to target/vote out next||
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||I'm wondering if the edit hid the fact that everyone knew she had the idol and targeted her||
keen junco
watching old era season and it’s weird to hear jeff say come on in guys
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just caught up, that might be the quickest turnaround we've had from acquiring the idol to getting voted out with it in your pocket 
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oooo which season?
keen junco
and honestly I can't remember if I've watched this season before, or I've just seen so many iconic clips that it feels like I have
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keen junco
I feel like it's a lot of fan service if that makes sense
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agree, but also almost all your favorites come out of it looking worse
keen junco
as far as actual gameplay, it's not amazing, but I find the people fun to watch because I know a lot of them from the seasons I used to watch live as a kid
I gotta figure out what season I want to watch next
I'm tempted to watch 40
but that also just kinda spoils every other season
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true, but there are definitely more crucial and less crucial seasons to know going into it
like I think the original All Stars is all you really need to get the Rob and Amber picture, I don't think seeing either of their original seasons is necessary
as an example
keen junco
I feel like Rob x Amber is a good piece of Survivor lore to know
it get's thrown around every couple of seasons
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I also think the season Rob actually won is absolutely not necessary, all you really need to know is production essentially curated a cast that was too dumb and impressionable to consider ever turning on him
it's a crappy season
but it does feature your favorite customer 
keen junco
award-winning author
very special agent
still 40 mins in the finale
and I don’t think I want to watch the reunion
being so used to new era at this point that seeing all the luxury and rewards they had this season is crazy
it’s like Jeff is just throwing food at them
keen junco
I tried to start David v Goliath but it got very uncomfy and I didn't want to continue with that one
keen junco
couldn’t find anywhere to watch 8, so I’m starting 7
it’s also the top ranked on the subreddit as seasons to watch
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just caught up, that might be the quickest turnaround we've had from acquiring t...
As soon as she found it, I thought "oh she's going to get blindsided tonight." Do you think her tribemates knew or strongly suspected that she had the idol and targeted her for that but that got cut from the edit in favor of Tim's storyline?
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the edgic subreddit seems to think that Tim is going to quit
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"I'm going to merge with my dream alliance." Watch them get voted out 1 2 3.
Venus so thirsty for a new alliance. Does that send alarm bells to the new people?
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Venus is overplaying like crazy
She just abandon nami and give herself to siga as a number honestly
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Moriah just giving up info for nothing. Is she Siga's Bhanu?
flint idolBOT
Great job making magic @trim sentinel! 
Mickey is promoting you to level 59 ! 
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I was thinking grey rock needs to pick whichever team Hunter is on but it's not even a decision now.
charred warren
Damn that was a massive misplay by moriah
keen junco
That challenge was giving me heart palpitations
shit was so close
I really liked Moriah, she felt her name on the chopping block, and started grasping at straws. At least she had the foresight to play her shot in the dark
would have been an amazing time if it worked too
only one vote for Venus and she's gone
I'm scared for Charlie now tho. I like him too
keen junco
okay slay
keen junco
I’ve never seen Survivor twitter get so messy
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what about?
keen junco
venus is being very outspoken
and just a lot of turmoil about the vote and how she was right, the vote was too easy and boring and the mergatory is getting boring after 6 seasons
charred warren
Survivor Twitter is like clockwork lol
They’re hyping up Venus just like Cassidy from 43
At least Venus is being better about shooting down the hate people are sending towards other contestants though
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Venus might be right but she clearly has no idea how to talk to people lol
she's good at the know-how part but she's not good at the building relationships and social maneuvering part
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I saw hunters interview last night. According to him, Venus put herself on the outs because she consciously chose not to help out at camp and seemed to be so wishy washy with everyone.
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tonight's || I can't tell if he's the dumbest player ever or unveiling some new insane strategy ||
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The players overthinking the hidden meanings behind this hide and seek game...
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The name of this episode should be "Dumbest Tribal Ever"
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I really don't get why he didn't play his idol. He was so paranoid I thought for sure that he would play it but then he didn't.
hybrid plover
yeah no one to blame but himself, and tiff kept her idol. terrible episode imho
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See you all at || Applebee's 🍎 ||
early on... what an episode
|| it was her GOTO MENU ITEM ||
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- I guarantee that Jeff has never eaten at Applebees
- OMG this product placement ad is going on FOREVER
They're listing almost every menu item.
Ho boy wow. Fuck ||Liz || I guess
- OMG they're still plugging Applebee's. How much did they spend for this 30 minute infomercial for Applebee's?
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okay I'm catching up and I'm on episode 8
I spent the whole episode thinking "god this cast is erratic, and Q might be the most insane and irrational control freak I've ever seen"
only for him to OUT OF NOWHERE PITCH HIMSELF AT TRIBAL COUNCIL???
I don't know what happens next I just had to pause and find somewhere to "what the fuck" to
I still don't know what happens next because I've watched his "explanation" like five times trying to understand it
he can't be serious, right?
like he's faking a quit to try to throw votes that should be for Tevin on him instead?
to try to have the numbers to vote Tiff?
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I want Venus and Q both gone yesterday
they're both so cocky and unaware and I can't stand it
I don't like steamrollers like Q, and Venus is such an asshole in how she talks to players who disagree with her
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ahahaha they had to change the rules of the jesus on the cross challenge so no one would pull a Christian again
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APPLEBEES
one of these motherfuckers better take Liz on the reward with them assuming someone else wins
wowwwwwwwww fuck Q
it is not fun to watch someone have a breakdown like this
also in my opinion at that point it's a lack of human empathy, like I think there's an argument to be made that at what point is it not safe to cast someone like Liz on Survivor if she can't eat what the island provides, but she's there now and my god imagine how much goodwill you could build up by showing some humankindness to someone who clearly really needs it
I hope Liz watched this episode eating her bourbon burger and texting Q a middle finger
ok the waiters in unison is the worst thing I've ever seen
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aaaaand still not caught up
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That 30 minute Applebee's ad was something else. Did Survivor have such heavy product placement before COVID?
And yes, Q not taking Liz confirmed for me that he is a straight up sociopath.
There's some interview somewhere (no spoiler as of Q's tribal "quit") where ||he says it's a fake quit. I don't buy it. I think he's a control freak sore loser who thought he was about to be voted out so tried to take his power back by quitting only to not get voted out so now he's trying again||
Anyway, back to the Applebee's ad. The whole time Jeff was lovingly reading off Applebee's menu items, I kept thinking there is no way that Jeff has ever eaten at Applebee's.
I agree, I don't see how you can cast someone like Liz in good conscience. One of the many reasons I would never be on Survivor is that I'm vegetarian. That's a voluntary diet restriction and it knocks me out of the running. Someone with Liz's restrictions has no business passing the psych/medical check for the show.
That said, there is a lot of ||speculation that Liz doesn't actually have any food allergies/auto-immune diseases that restricts her diet. It's actually just a manifestation of her anxiety disorder||
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That 30 minute Applebee's ad was something else. Did Survivor have such heavy pr...
yes 100% absolutely. Though I think the narrative ramifications this specific reward had on this episode caused it to get pushed even harder just because you had to talk about the Liz vs. Q of it all
per the Q ||fake quit - he even said so on the show, he was trying to swing votes. Still nonsensical and insane but I do believe he didn't actually want to quit||
also I think speculating about Liz's allergies or potential lack thereof is so disgusting and invasive
like few things make me as angry as accusing a very earnest person of faking a medical condition, so that pisses me off SEVERELY
especially women, who have a history of not having medical concerns taken seriously
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With minimal spoilers, something happens in a subsequent episode that triggered the speculation about Liz. But yeah, it's never a good look to question a stranger's health issues.
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yes 100% absolutely. Though I think the narrative ramifications this specific re...
Did the narrative ramifications really require testimonials from players besides Q and Liz about how great the Applebee's food is? Or the long, food porn shots of them being served?
Are you caught up?
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nope, still just through the Applebees ad
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Did the narrative ramifications really require testimonials from players besides...
so the testimonials and food porn would have happened anyway. Ad placement has ALWAYS been heavy handed
the continuing to be angry about it was the part that wasn't part of the ad deal
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i won't lie though || denying liz this weeks reward was kind of hilarious in a sick way ||
apparently || venus || was treated very poorly at pondarosa, i feel like we're going to get a REAL bitter jury this year
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apparently || venus || was treated very poorly at pondarosa, i feel like we're g...
That's not surprising. ||Soda, Tevin and Tiff just seem like huge bullies in real life so why wouldn't they continue to be assholes outside of the game?||
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ok NOW I'm caught up
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That's not surprising. ||Soda, Tevin and Tiff just seem like huge bullies in re...
oh I was gonna say that's not surprising because ||Venus was such a bitch to Tevin and Soda and Hunter||
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||I just remember Tevin and Soda being high school mean girls to Hunter and Venus and Tiff and Kenzie going out of their way to needlessly humiliate Jess on the other tribe. So now it's all bullies at Ponderosa.
Venus didn't do herself any favors in the first few days but I couldn't see her doing anything that warranted the continued dickishness once they're out of the game.||
Also, people were speculating on Liz's diet ||because she eagerly accepted a piece of Jeff's Twizzler at TC. Apparently all Twizzlers and Twizzler-like substances contain gluten.||
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Jeff's marketing worked, i bought twizzlers
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|| 4 in a row with an idol going home. what a stupid season ||
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I honestly thought ||Q was safe to the end because who wouldn’t want to take a huge goat like him to FTC? That Kenzie and Ben went along with Charlie’s plan instead of voting Charlie now and then Maria whenever she finally loses a challenge seems illogical to me. Now ben and Kenzie are going to be at FTC with either Maria or Charlie, either one of which will easily win the jury vote. ||
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|| liz || is the goat, || ben || is a non player. it's basically|| Kenzie's || game if they make it, with || Charlie || being the alt as || Maria || goes if they lose a challenge
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THEY CAN UN-CANCEL CHRISTMAS, Q IS GONE 
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|| liz || is the goat, || ben || is a non player. it's basically|| Kenzie's ||...
totally disagree on it being ||Kenzie's|| game, ||she's integrated herself well but not being in on the Tiff blindside REALLY hurts any argument she has, and I don't think she's done anything strategy-wise to really plead her case on.||
I think it's 100% ||either Charlie or Maria, whichever makes it to the end||
also edit-wise on ||Kenzie||, ||I think we haven't been shown enough of her strategizing in the late game, like the editors aren't really trying to sell us on her strategic thought process as much as they are Charlie and Maria. There's also the issue of her edit tone being REALLY up and down throughout the season, especially she was portrayed pretty negatively in the premiere and that's a hell of a first impression to give viewership of the winner if that's what they're going for||
I'm not an edgic person though so I could be wrong, I just am really really sold on ||Charlie|| specifically I think
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I think it's 100% ||either Charlie or Maria, whichever makes it to the end||
Agreed. Whichever of them wins the last immunity challenge wins FTC. What'll be interesting is if one of the others wins final immunity. Which of them is best able to convince the tribe to vote out the other?
To have any chance, they have to get ||Charlie || out. But even then, it's ||Maria's || FTC to lose.
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I do think it's || Charlie or Maria || but this feels like a bitter jury and || Kenzie || has the edit of showing kindness to || Ben || and sometimes|| Venice and Liz ||
also || Liz || really doesn't like the reward choosing method of some players...
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also || Liz || really doesn't like the reward choosing method of some players...
Apparently they ||all hated the way Maria made her selection. She made them stand there in 100 degree heat for 10 minutes and grovel, only to play rock paper scissors for the reward ||
hybrid plover
yeah I think that's the turn the edit didn't show that gives my theory credence
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FINALE TIME actually watching live tonight
I missed the first three minutes though because I think I broke my roku remote
||Liz is helping Kenzie with the challenge so she beats Maria this is SPICY||
keen junco
please don’t be ||simmotion||
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the description said something about ||balance|| right? that doesn't sound like ||simmotion||
oh this is fun, I like this
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wasn't there a challenge last season that was this?
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I don't remember, the ball aspect kind of reminds me of Simmotion though
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I really thought ||Charlie || would do better at this challenge.
If it was your decision, who would you send to firemaking?
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kind of hard to say, since ||Ben is the one making the decision and he probably has the least chance to win||
||frankly he should be trying to get Charlie out, not Liz||
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I think ||Ben is playing for second place|| no matter what combo of people go to FTC. ||If I'm him, I'm just going to do my best I can for my two best friends in the game, so that means taking both Kenzie and Charlie to FTC to get them the most cash I can between them.|| But I agree, ||Liz is probably the person least likely to get more votes than Ben||
||Liz's eye roll as she hugs Kenzie...||
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||congrats to Charlie for winning Survivor 46||
||although maybe I'm wrong and it's Kenzie? I'm just very team Charlie||
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||congrats to Charlie for winning Survivor 46||
||Only chance Charlie had of not winning $1MM was if Ben sent him and Kenzie to firemaking||
Despite what the confessionals are saying right now, I'm expecting a bitter juror FTC.
I thought Q might volunteer to be voted off the jury just now.
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Q is truly unbearable
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Just so insecure he can't admit being wrong or influenced by anyone else.
That's why I thought for sure he'd be a goat to F3.
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ngl ||Kenzie is articulating her game very well||
||I think I was wrong and I think it's Kenzie||
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Sad they can't even show ||Ben || getting at least one pity vote.
stfu Jeff. just read off the votes.
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oooooo what if Tevin ends up being the deciding vote
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||Kenzie || won
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||she did GREAT articulating her game at final tribal||
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I thought ||Charlie || had more friends on the jury. But they also kind of tanked their game in the FTC. Let the winner outtalk them.
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||yeah reminds me a lot of season 15 honestly. Same situation where one person won and another person lost AT final tribal||
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They were also disserved by the format.
They didn't really get a chance to lay out every strategic move they made from the beginning, which we saw in all of their confessionals throughout the season.
By far the most strategic player with the most agency of the final 3
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what that really says though is they could have done a better job articulating their game in how they answered their questions
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you had Tiff counting down 30 seconds. What can you really do? They should've been able to speak for 2-5 minutes, articulating their strategy and how it played out in influencing the votes. But they really didn't.
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frankly the moment I was like "oh it's over" was pretty early in FTC - ||when Charlie tried to take credit for the Hunter blindside and then Hunter was like "actually, Kenzie is who convinced me not to play my idol"||
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you had Tiff counting down 30 seconds. What can you really do? They should've ...
that was for ONE question. These always go on for a lot longer than we see
and it's always been up to the jurors how they want to ask questions
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Every juror during FTC: "we want to see strategy and agency"
Q at afterparty: "my vote was 100% based on what they told me they'd do with the money."
Wow, ||Maria flipped. That's incredibly surprising. Friendship over, I guess||
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||probably not friendship over lol||
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Uh, in a season this chaotic, I don't think those players went home with idols in their pockets because the rest of the tribe were fantastic players.
devout oar
Confidence in your position with others is never valid in survivor
hybrid plover
||probably not friendship over lol||
it is definitely over based on social media
I'm okay with the finale but a || bitter jury is obvious, Kenzie did well at ftc and Marias ego couldn't handle losing to Charlie so she turned on him ||
ponderosa apparently had it out for || Charlie and it was 7 to 1 going to ftc and Charlie was able to flip a few votes Venus been talking about it on social ||
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Yiiiiikes
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I just got a free Paramount sub so I'm going through some old seasons of Survivor. I'm at the end of Season 4 Marquesas and I honestly don't understand how Boston Rob became a thing off of this. He didn't go very deep, he wasn't particularly charming or memorable and his accent was kind of annoying. He was also openly homophobic (which I know wasn't a big deal for the Survivor audience at the time, but still). How did he parlay this into a 10-15 year reality TV career?
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I just got a free Paramount sub so I'm going through some old seasons of Survivo...
It really has more to do with his second appearance. People liked the "godfather" character, and when they were planning All-Stars, I think he was the only pick from season 4 because it just wasn't the strongest season so they didn't pull as much from it, and I think the producers were curious how he would do on a second play. And that second play is what made him a reality TV icon. He's not memorable from Marquesas, he's memorable from All-Stars.
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ah, got it. I guess I'll get to that season eventually.
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it's season....8, I think?
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Currently slogging through S5, which is really tough because I hate everyone after what happened with Ghandia
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season 5 is AWFUL don't bother
unless you're trying to completionist it
it doesn't get better, everyone is horrible
and the only person who ever played a second time from Thailand is Shii Ann
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I'm completionisting it. This one's mostly playing in the background while I clean.
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well then good luck and godspeed to get through it
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Oh good. She's one of the only ones I was rooting for.
Funny how the minority women happen to have the roughest go of it and are treated like shit by everyone...
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right? so strange how that happens /s
women of color are the most common demographic for first boots too, at least in seasons 1-40 before they shook up the casting process
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I'm surprised that the old lady made it to the jury though. Thought she'd be one of the first voted off like almost every woman over 45
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I haven't watched Thailand in literally forever, was she on the tribe that kept winning? iirc Thailand was a schoolyard pick for tribes and Survivor seasons that do a schoolyard pick have a 100% track record of being absolutely lopsided for challenge results
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Correct. 2 oldest people did schoolyard pick. I'm just past the merge but the teams ended up being almost even before that.
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hmm ok so Thailand was the exception to the schoolyard pick rule
I literally don't think I've seen it since it first aired
I only remember the significant stuff from fan recap stuff discussing how awful it is
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One team dominated at the beginning and then the other evened it up right before the merge.
One team had everyone bullying/ostracizing the Asian woman. The other team had one guy sexually assault one of his teammates and all the guys and one of the women took his side because she was "creating drama".
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the Ted and Ghandia incident makes me so upset
sadly it's not the only incident of old school survivor badly mishandling assault allegations on camera
there's another one coming your way in a few seasons
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It made me search the subreddit for Ghandia to see what their consensus take on it was and it was so upsetting to see fans taking Ted's side. "He accidentally dry humped her and she tried to exploit that to go further in the game." Jesus Christ.
Final numbers going into the merge was 5-3.
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Finally finished S5. Fitting that the ||used car salesman|| won this maddening train wreck of a season. Thought for sure ||Jan || would be the goat that the winner took to the final two. I guess goats weren't a thing back then?
Don't know why I'm subjecting myself to this but I'm watching the reunion. WTF is Jeff asking ||Jan || about strategy? She didn't have 2 brain cells to put together the entire game. I feel ||Helen's|| teary reaction at the reunion. Sitting there with a very good chance (at least 50/50) of winning a million dollars only to be blocked at the penultimate moment by one of the stupidest players to ever stumble onto the island, who is also acting against their own best interests.
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Started season 6. 20 minutes in and I hope these misogynist assholes all get dysentery.
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Finished season 6. It was ok. Still a bunch of misogyny and gross talk about women’s bodies. At least I didn’t hate the finalists or the winner.
Turns out I already saw S7 at one point or another so onto S8.
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Yeahhh the season 6 humor didn’t age well at ALL
Rob Cesternino from season 6 has become a staple of the Survivor fan community though! He runs Rob Has a Podcast, which is by FAR the most prominent Survivor podcast
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Ha! I've heard of that podcast and all this time I thought it was Boston Rob.
A few episodes into S8 and sure enough there's another sexual assault that the production and castmates handle terribly.
Really disappointed in Rupert's reaction. I remember liking him from the pirate season.
Also, bonkers that someone quit because they had a feeling that their mom wasn't doing well and they were right. Sad but at least they got their final moments with them. And again, some of the cast reactions are shameful. "Well I wouldn't have played if that was my situation, but I guess I just have better values", etc.
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A few episodes into S8 and sure enough there's *another* sexual assault that the...
yep this is the one I was referring to 😦
all stars is a rough time. It's historically very important for Survivor but MAN does absolutely everyone come off awful
also, new season premieres tonight!
keen junco
happy premiere day!!
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I'm a Jon Lovett fan and I'm 100% expecting him to be an early boot.
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kran, have you listened to Ayesha's podcast?
oh she just said the name so yes, you have.
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Ok, I've never watched Big Brother but caught the intro to tonight's episode. WTF is this? I had an idea of what it was but I never would've guessed there was an evil robot and a carnival-themed back yard.
keen junco
wild
I absolutely loved that marooning challenge
felt so classic survivor and I fucking loved the drone shots following them through the jungle path in the challenge
oh god it was very much “We’re so back!”
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So far it seems like a rehash of the past 2-3 seasons. A mentally unstable incompetent is kept around as a meat shield while more worthy, capable players are voted off. Or maybe I'm just bitter that ||the only player I've ever been excited to see play got the first boot through no fault of his own.||
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kind of their fault..
unless there was something in the edit that made them a big target, they kinda panicked against the numbers and retreated to the obvious boot as an ally.
|| Andy || is unstable and a poor pick for an ally, I don't see another Emily arc appearing
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According to the exit interviews, the edit did the first boot dirty. They were at the bottom and knew it. First boot knew before the challenge that if they lost then they'd have to scramble. ||Andy's || meltdown actually took any target off of their back because they're no longer a threat for the rest of the game.
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This chat is as dead as Andy's chances of winning the game.
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I was traveling and just watched. TK was an idiot and has zero self awareness
otherwise a pretty just ok episode, too many people and storylines to dive deep into yet
also Andy is not gonna be this seasons Emily
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Yeah I wrote in the live chat that TK was talking himself into an easy vote off.
Andy’s gone the next time gata goes to tribal.
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The Summit looks dumb
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no watchers this season huh
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Rome is a crazy narcissist and Sol is a stronger person than I am for dealing with that abuse
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This chat is dead. Don't know which server the peeps who chatted here went to.
Genevieve knows how Rome was acting with Sol, right? Why is she going so far out of her way to hitch her wagon to his star? There's no way anyone that narcissistic will be loyal and his obnoxious personality isn't going to draw any of the others into an alliance post-merge.
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Yeah he's not even a fun villain, he's just mean and rude
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and stupid lucky. Not a good player, just got some advantages that he kind of lucked into.
He'd have gone home last night if Teeny hadn't given up her vote. He'd also have gone home if Genevieve hadn't decided to to pick him over ||Kishan || for some unfathomable reason.
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Genevieve is a weird one, more like chaotic neutral
that tribe is gonna implode at the merge
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Great vote out, Sierra needs to get her own game or they get torn apart at merge. Andy and Rome aren't really the fun type of villain to watch
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Finally got caught up. Except for having to watch Andy stick around at least another week, I wasn't feeling too bad until the exit confessional. ||Anika's || sobbing breakdown was tough to watch. I can't imagine not just the betrayal and humiliation, but also the realization that fucking Andy outlasted you.
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|| Sam || is working themselves up to be a proper villain. || Rome and Andy || just seem unhinged and on the verge of a breakdown at any moment.
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Cable went out the last 20 minutes of tonight's episode so that's great.
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goodbye || you cocky annoying nut job ||
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Have you seen the last boot’s exit press? ||Just delusional denial and victimhood. Also now stirring the pot in the real world accusing Kyle of saying unspeakable things about other tribe mates.||
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latest boot has been caught in multiple lies and yeah, overall not a good look for them and I'm glad they're out
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No one watching this season I guess but one of my favorites in recent memory || Rachel win please ||
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Watching but no one’s chatting about it here anymore.
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yeah, overall though, an excellent season and || rachel || is playing incredibly. I appreciate that everyone is playing as well, it's been an actual game with great moves, even by the people i don't like as much
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peak tv during tribal, such a great moment all around
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Was getting concerned that ||Rachel || was talking themselves out of the win and ||Sam || was talking themselves into it.