#Can lambs breed?

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raw ivy
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I think there could be an option for the lamb to be able to breed with a follower, if there is some specific attribute for it, like "Loves the Lamb" or something like that. If he is already married and wants to breed with his wife or husband, the chances of the egg hatching might be higher; if he is not married, the chances might be random; and if he is married and tries to breed with another follower who is not married, the chances might be lower and the faith of the cult might drop. I would love to see baby lambs in the cult, and if when they are adults they can run the cult better than the other followers, that would be awesome too.
(I loved the game, bought it and got hooked on it)

uncut valve
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I swear we've had this discussion already on why this would be bad

warm bramble
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Just a quick note, the Lamb uses They/them :)

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And I don't think that would work very well, because the game already has a mechanic where if you try and breed a "Main character" (ex: a bishop, Sozo, Aym and Baal, etc), the baby usually gets the abomination follower form

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But that would be a cute idea in concept!

tough cairn
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As discussed in this server before, there would inherently be sexual power differential issues involved between a leader and their indoctrinated follower, which could also include cultists raised since birth, so I vote no due to the sexual abuse themes that would become added to the game with this; I feel that it would cross a line compared to most of the existing mechanics in this game, which also tend to be more lighthearted or intentionally over the top.

(Also, before anyone brings it up, I say "most" because I know that there are unfortunately a few currently present SA themes like with drunk followers being able to be selected for sex; people have asked for that to be updated out before though. My points still stand anyhow.)

obsidian solar
brisk herald
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Hi @obsidian solar after removing your message I must remind you to keep your language more appropriate for this server.
With that said everyone are sensitive in different ways so I must remind you to keep it respectful.

Also please, avoid bumping threads.

obsidian solar
# brisk herald Hi <@287295310416576512> after removing your message I must remind you to keep y...

What part was bad? I tried to censor it after the filter hit it the first time and I figured if the censor didn't do it again then it was fine.

Also, not to be rude, but being sensitive doesn't really make someone right. When worded that way it kinda just feels like because someone's bothered by something that isn't that deep people are not to rebuttal. The closest thing to disrespect I sent was "you must be on that pack" which is just another way of saying "you're nuts", like in a metaphorical sense, as in their argument is a but outlandish (I think thats the word, my bad if it isn't)

brisk herald
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I understand what you mean, but it isn't your job to make someone 'less sensitive', you just accept some people won't agree with you and move on, while expressing your take respectfully.
If you want to know which part wasn't appropriate I can send it to you privately

obsidian solar
obsidian solar
# brisk herald I understand what you mean, but it isn't your job to make someone 'less sensitiv...

I'm not trying to make them change their mind, I'm rebuttaling, debating, giving a counter statement as to why their argument doesn't entirely discredit the idea of the update. I mean, if they can give an input as to why it shouldn't be added, can I not give an input as to why their argument isn't sound? I know people won't agree with me but that shouldn't mean I should keep my input on the matter quiet. Kinda just feels like I'm being silenced here tbh.
Also, yes I'd like if you could send me it.

karmic jasper
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Isn't breeding with her cross some lines the devs don't want or are afraid to do? Because of the status of basically GOD... isn't fall in Power abuse?

I would be happy to see followers of the same species as the protagonist but... mabye breeding isn't a good direction.

karmic jasper
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people would breed with narinder only probably tbh

brisk herald
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Cross?

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Nvm I misread

karmic jasper
brisk herald
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My mother language is italian

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Anyways, back to the topic! I'd love to make lambs extinction undone 🙏 narilamb

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Shittens

karmic jasper
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(Portuguese here kkk)
A lot of people want to breed the lamb with narinder but looking at the ingame lore... Isnt gonna be just abominations just like the other special npcs? Lol

somber shale
karmic jasper
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Ohhhh...A community pool? Isn't a bad idea, I liked it.

somber shale
raw ivy
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I don't know if I should be happy about all the repercussions this suggestion is having. They had said before that they had already discussed this so I don't really know what to say about it now (I'm Brazilian and I don't know if I'm managing to express myself well, my english is not very good in writing).

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But still, thanks for reading and evaluating the suggestion.

karmic jasper
brisk herald
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They already have several threads about it to read

somber shale
brisk herald
brisk herald
# somber shale We need to have a whole google doc on this at this point

I don't think it's needed, if you want to suggest it directly to the team you can open a ticket so that you can get a more official answer
But again, from my point of view, while being attentive to the fandom is important they should make the choice they believe it's more creative and fun for them
A poll wouldn't even be fair because not everyone is in this server for various reasons

brisk herald
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I just wanted to make my point

somber shale
brisk herald
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Also I thought you were serious because believe me, that is something someone would say in all seriousness c':

brisk herald
somber shale
brisk herald
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Everyone is free to express their point of view on a matter, even if it is something not everyone agrees with LambYippee if done respectfully or without breaking the rules of course
Anyways, while what I said is just true, hunting down similar threads after you already expressed your point of view against such suggestion just to say that it is a horrible thing because you don't agree with for personal reasons it's a bit too much LambSTARE let's not ruin the fun

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Saying this in general

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Not to you swuwo

tough cairn
crude brook
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I think it would be better if the children were not fully lambs so lambs are never truly back

novel crown
# tough cairn As discussed in this server before, there would inherently be sexual power diffe...

It’s obviously up to the devs whether or not they want to add that as an option, but I don’t think not allowing it for reasons of “power differential” would make sense when we can make followers marry us. The game portrays this in a very benign fashion ofc, but marriage usually (even if not always) implies sexual relations between 2 individuals in the first place. If that is the concern on the dev’s parts, they could always make it so that you can only enter a tent with a follower you are already married to.

tough cairn
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Limiting the tent to the cult leader only being able to have sex with followers who you choose to marry (which neither involves sex in this game nor even implies it) doesn't solve the problem, only slightly reduce the scope of it

novel crown
tough cairn
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That's an enormous leap to be making

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The only character that it's ethical for the lamb to have sex with is the goat, since there aren't power differential issues and they're both cult leaders, neither being indoctrinated to the other person

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Also, you can also currently marry a cult member who you literally raise since birth; do you not see a huge grooming problem if you're able to have sex with them regardless of whether they're married with or not?

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That's in addition to the other concerns

novel crown
novel crown
tough cairn
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I may make a separate thread for that someday

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But marriage at least is almost purely symbolic in this game and doesn't inherently involve sex

novel crown
tough cairn
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Power differential problems introduce the possibility for dubious or coerced consent among other things

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But that's a lot to get into in detail right now

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The rituals in this game are intentionally over-the-top and quick. Having sexual intercourse with your brainwashed followers, including ones potentially raised from birth, is more serious and has longer consequences for the people involved on an ethical level.

novel crown
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Ignoring the fact that we already have implied sexual relations with the followers we marry, it’s not as if the act itself would be non-consensual in the first place within the context of gameplay. When you kiss your wife in-game it’s shown as a mutually shared moment of affection, not you forcing yourself onto somebody who doesn’t want to be married to you in the first game.

novel crown
tough cairn
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Anyway, this topic has been discussed across many threads now and the developers have stated before that they don't plan to let the lamb be able to mate with their followers (they purposely didn't say why, just to clarify)

novel crown
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And I really doubt any reasonably sized portion of COTL’s fanbase wants the game to have sexual violence in the first place, just people who want to raise children with the followers they married in game without thinking about the unethical implications that would have in an irl context.

tough cairn
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But I'm not okay with anyone from the cult being able to be mated with besides the goat

tough cairn
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There's no getting around that for me

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Intent doesn't mean a lot here when we're ultimately talking about what's objectively going to be added as a mechanic

novel crown
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Thread’s been open for over 2 weeks now so if if this is something the devs have already decided on, it should be locked. I don’t believe it would meaningfully differ from any of the implications marrying cultists had in the first place, and being able to have children in one way or another would be nice.

tough cairn
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There are currently no SA themes in the game besides drunk or brainwashed followers being able to have sex with other followers, which I've argued against before to the point of being told that I wasn't allowed to make more threads on it after one got locked due to it getting some heated responses, even though many other threads with heated discussion don't get locked, but I'd at least like for there not to be any more mechanics involving SA themes to be added

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And that's about all I really have to say on this without repeating older arguments repeatedly

uncut valve
uncut valve
# somber shale

"I have portrayed you as the soyjack, therefore I win!" Ahh reaction image

tough cairn
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I wonder if repeated threads about wanting the player to be able to mate with their followers should be locked going forward like how threads about drunk or brainwashed cultists being selectable for sex were locked in response to there being repeated discourse. Seems only fair.

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I don't know if we're allowed to tag a particular mod but I do know we shouldn't use the moderator tag as a whole to notify them

tough cairn
somber shale
uncut valve
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Then why the text bubble?

tough cairn
# somber shale I’m pretty sure that this topic has been discussed so much at this point- The on...

Also, just to add something: It being added wouldn't be the end to the discussion; it would instead make my disagreement even stronger and I'd probably stop recommending the game to people until it was removed. I'm already partly hesitant to currently recommend it because of the developers choosing to leave drunk sex in the game after reading much older threads about it, but this would be the final straw for me and also for many others.

somber shale
tough cairn
somber shale
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Ye

tough cairn
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It would be a final dealbreaker for me and I'm already uncomfortable with some earlier stuff, including how threads about thematically related subject matter earlier were handled by mods whereas these still continue to appear

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Not all mods, mind you; shoutout to the cool people who run this server. I just mean that the difference between how threads like this are treated versus ones about brainwashed sex bothers me, hence an earlier comment of mine.

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It feels like these should be locked too for consistency and overall fairness

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And either way, something that'd really help the server in general is a developer making a statement as to not only what they will versus won't allow but also why

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I hope these messages aren't skipped over

brisk herald
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It would be cool if there also can be a percentage in which you can unlock a new skin when you make the lamb have babies with special followers like narinder and the bishops

near cloud
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I only bring that up because i think its unfair to deny an idea for something as dark as an abusive relationship/power imbalance when something as toxic and power imbalanced as Narilamb is actively being implied by the creators constantly.

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Because y'know,,

Narilamb is an abusive relationship.

brisk herald
# near cloud Because y'know,, Narilamb is an abusive relationship.

This depends by the story the player wants to build
I can see how it can be a toxic relationship, with Narinder having manipulated the Lamb and the Lamb usurping him and then marry him out of spite, while I'm sure many other people like to imagine some kind of redemption arc with narinder learning to be a "mortal" again and spontaneously falling in love of a lamb who is a very kind leader

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This isn't how things work in our world usually, with people being horrible and taking advantage of someone who wants to "fix" them, it is hard to see narcissistic toxic people change for good, but I don't think realistic things can be applied to a videogame of a sheep running a cult and summoning eldritch monsters to sacrifice animal followers

uncut valve
near cloud
uncut valve
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Oh

near cloud
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Lol its oki, i can see how i came off as a narilamb hater

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I was just using it to make a point

crude brook
median marsh
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The lamb should be allowed to take one of their spouses and have their own baby instead of just the followers doing it that way we can have a lamb a new Lamb follower

velvet pewter
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while irt would be cool, the power difference between the lamb and the followers would make it count as sa.... maybe itt would work better if u could only do it w the bishops.

uncut valve
foggy geode
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y'alls opinions have way more depth but i wanna throw my opinion here too ^^"
i feel like if the lamb could breed and we had more lamb followers, itd just damage the reputation of the lamb as the only one left of their kind and would look less superior
just a thought, lmk if i worded anything wrong my english is not that well ToT

candid scroll
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Nah it's a good point, the Lamb really should only be the last one of their kind so the lore stays intact, but it also makes "logical" sense that a God cannot procreate in the mortal realm.

Where they are blessed with godhood, they are cursed to lose certain mortal traits I would think.

As for this sexual assault nonsense that keeps being brought up even if the Lamb could breed with followers, it's Frankly unbecoming to assume that anything related to procreation in this game is nonconsensual or forced.

You are a Cult Leader in a game where you write your own story, make your own decisions, and fill in the many many blanks with your imagination along the way.
If you for some reason want to imagine how things like a breeding mechanic play out in some weird, dark, and inappropriate way, using concepts such as power dynamics to explain the logic of your imagination and assumptions stemming from potential real world ideas then that's on you.

But not everyone sees it that way, which is why I assume this "breeding with followers" topic keeps coming up. In fact I think most people don't view something like that in such a darker light because it's just weird.

It's like calling out the breeding in Pokémon or Minecraft and using all sorts of weird dark concepts to describe how it's bad, it's just super weird to me.

In conclusion, this game is a village management sim, with rogue-like crusades, gods, and poop, wrapped up in occult themes and animals doing silly things - don't overthink it.

uncut valve
candid scroll
# uncut valve You playing as a cult leader and being able to have s3x with your followers is a...

That's because you're just looking at specific contexts, which is part of the problem, but not the point I'm making.

I'm referring to the whole picture and the fact some of you guys are taking something in a video game and applying disturbing inappropriate real-world ideas/concepts to it, of which you can do with almost any game, so I mentioned Pokémon and Minecraft because they too have breeding mechanics.

I won't go listing off inappropriate ideas you can apply to Minecraft for instance, but as one of many examples I'm sure you can imagine how unbecoming it would be if I pinned the simple ability to breed ANY villager with literally ANY other villager as a "problem" using particular real-world dark ideas/concepts to make it look and sound bad.

So again it all boils down to how you yourself, (or anyone who for some reason agrees), chooses to imagine in your own mind how the breeding mechanic would "play-out" in this game.

If you like to imagine it would involve dark and Frankly inappropriate sexual acts, then that is on you.

But again I think it's weird to do so, and even weirder to keep bringing up, especially when trying to convince other people to imagine it in that same dark and inappropriate way.

foggy geode
# uncut valve You playing as a cult leader and being able to have s3x with your followers is a...

its all up to your decisions in game!! for example i wouldn't even use that feature if the lamb could breed, let alone even get them married since i hc them aroace :D the lamb is like some sort of blank plate, you put in the characteristics based on your gameplay whether you choose to be cruel and keep doing sacrifice rituals, or just enjoying the game as chill as u can. that goes for this topic too, if you think of that situation specifically like that, youd be putting it on the lamb yourself, as its not a canon trait of theirs.

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what im trying to say is, it was never implied like that, thinking of it in that nature is your decision to do so no one is really right when they say sonetabout the lamb but at the same time theyre not wrong either. its just their interpretation

brisk herald
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I honestly think the lamb can have babies, specifically with ex gods because of the power they had LambYippee

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Like they have eldritch horror babies with regular followers, maybe if they try having eggs with the lamb it's a whole different story

brisk herald
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Like... You literally capture and grow little animals to make them fight against each other

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The whole videogame revolves around that

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Also to get a shiny you have to breed two Pokemons several times to the point you don't even care if the Pokemons are having eggs with their related ones

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And yet, the game doesn't seem to be frowned up by many because of it

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It's still a very acceptable game and the Pokemons don't care if you use them to fight other Pokemons in order to make money

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But if you apply irl life themes to it, of course, it gets dark

crude brook
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the whole argument that it's always gonna be sa if the lamb does it with their followers is stupid, that's like saying if a ceo of a company and someone worker for said company did it, it's always sa

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It can be but it isn't always gonna be

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And I don't think massive monster would allow sa into the game

tough cairn
candid scroll
# tough cairn I'd just like to add that referring to earlier sexual assault concerns as "nonse...

I'm afraid you're mistaking what I was addressing when I used the word nonsense.

I'm not dismissing the harsh concept of the topic itself or invalidating it or anyone's concern, I'm referring to the misplacement of the inappropriate rhetoric that it's repeatedly being used for.

If you prefer to imagine such things in a darker light, again that is on you and we're all free to voice our concerns sure..

But to keep on insisting others view something in such a dark and gross way, especially when it involves something like sexual assault, is something I just find really really weird.

It's just a head canon some of you have that honestly just makes me uncomfortable every time it gets brought up so I wanted to chime and set the real reality of what's going on here every time it gets brought up.

tough cairn
# candid scroll I'm afraid you're mistaking what I was addressing when I used the word nonsense....

I would elaborate on my discomfort with you implying that me seeing the theme in plain sight is me "preferring to" see it, as if it's my choice that I'm uncomfortable with something that to me is just right there, but I'm afraid of retaliation again after the past times I tried clarifying anti-player mating views too much; I just needed to chime in here with my discomfort with labeling my view as some sort of "canon" that I'm choosing to apply, and the rhetoric has misdirected blame to me. To any moderators who read this, I'm trying to be careful, so please don't ban me or the like for writing this; I'm just trying to defend myself and I'm purposely not clarifying again on how I feel sexual assault themes are involved after being messaged about it in the past. I'm honestly scared to write even this reply even though I tried to not talk about the mechanic itself too much but feel it was too important not to.

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Out of anxiety about my future in this server, I'll avoid making further posts in this thread from here on out so long as this remains visible, but it is upsetting to see some perspectives allowed but not others, and I feel helpless in not being able to respond to them even if they negatively talk about me or others with my views directly

candid scroll
# tough cairn I would elaborate on my discomfort with you implying that me seeing the theme in...

Mello you're fine, no one's getting banned 😅

But the fact remains, for whatever reasons you have to view something like this in such a dark light are you're own reasons - but they are the way you (and some others) see them - not everyone else.

It doesn't matter why you are doing it, it's just that it keeps happening, and we're all free to voice our opinions, but it's this idea in particular that is Frankly just really inappropriate.

There's no way around it, you guys are taking very serious and inappropriate real world concepts and trying to force them into a place where they do not belong, repeatedly, in a shared public space where minors frequent and gamers just want to vibe - that's reality of it.

velvet pewter
crude brook
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One point id like to put out is that there is no cross breeds when followers do the adult dances in the moon light tent but instead the child is in fact one of the two species of the parents

winter jay
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I feel like an easy fix to any power dynamic issues is to have the lamb only able to go in the mating tent with followers that they're married to.

uncut valve
candid scroll
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If you choose to view it as the Lamb forcing them to marry them when performing the ritual, then that's on you 😅

uncut valve
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I mean, they don't really say yes or no.

candid scroll
# uncut valve I mean, they don't really say yes or no.

Thank you as that is exactly my point - There's a lot that is left up to the imagination so as I keep saying:

It is up to how YOU interpret how it plays out.

There's really no way around the fact that if you prefer to view things like this in a darker light, that is completely on you.

tropic glacier
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:)

brisk herald
# uncut valve I mean, they don't really say yes or no.

But they are happy tho, which I think works within a game with cartoon characters
Then, of course, applied to the real life it's a completely different thing. You don't know if someone gave you consent (which can be about marriage or a kiss for example, it can literally be anything) if they don't verbally express it, but in a fictional setting (which can be a book or a videogame) it's not needed because we already know what the character is feeling (this of course changed depending on the context)

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Then, if you like to think the Lamb is forcing them even if they know the spouse is pretending to be fine with it or else they'll be sacrificed or worse, okay ¯_(ツ)_/¯

tough cairn
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I sincerely think that a developer should state their final verdict on this recurring thread topic and/or the thread should be locked; there are inevitably going to keep being repeated discussions and dark theme concerns by the nature of the proposed mechanic in question, unless only some perspectives are allowed in which case others will feel afraid to speak up on what they see (not "want" or "choose" to see) as inherently present versus not out of fear of private retaliation, and I don't think that's a healthy environment for us to keep having

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This has been a heated topic, one that in my eyes has also involved personal attacks or unfair misrepresentations at times, for an extremely long time now, and it's my opinion that this should be resolved by an official comment; in the past, a developer has stated that there were currently no plans to let the player mate with follower cultists, but that language not clarifying whether there "will never be" (not the same thing as currently) plans to allow that has introduced ambiguity. And if only one side to the discourse that's really important to many is effectively allowed, effectively forcing people who are genuinely uncomfortable to stay silent as the image to developers of who supports what versus not is skewed, I think that it would be fairer for the subject of player-initiated mating to not be allowed anymore period; the many previous threads about this heated topic will still be visible to the developers for later reference too.

candid scroll
# tough cairn This has been a heated topic, one that in my eyes has also involved personal att...

Trying to force the devs to provide an answer you want to hear is not the best way to go about this, they've already spoke their mind on the matter.

The subject will likely repeatedly come up again and again no matter what the devs say, and that's fine, but what I think is best is if you do not agree with it and have nothing constructive to provide, then ignore it and move on, as continuing to twist the conversation about it into something inappropriate or dark is only derailing the point.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything here, and I think this is being blown out of proportion for reasons that do not align with the subject matter.

It's a simple idea that has no business being more than what it really is, a simple idea.
If it makes you uncomfortable and is something you cannot view in any other light than a negative one, for whatever personal reasons that may be, then truly the best solution here is for you or anyone who may feel that way to simply ignore it and move on. 🙏🏼

cobalt blade
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OH MY GOODNESSS

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WHY DO YOU GUYS MAKE IT SO COMPLICATED

proper sierra
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Anyway, I think making the Lamb be able to breed would take away the uniqueness of the character, being the last of their kind and whatnot

brisk herald
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You're not the only one thinking that

proper sierra
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Just entered this thread😅

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Don’t know what people been up to

brisk herald
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But we may have 🥺 smol narinder, smol bishops or unique breeds idk
like shittens

brisk herald
proper sierra
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K

brisk herald
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Vabbè LambYippee

winter jay
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Having the lamb breed with the bishops would be a neat way to get their forms on other followers. Like they're more compatible by both being gods and so don't produce abominations.

brisk herald
young fulcrum
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I'm really surprised that through this whole thing no one thought to make it so you can only breed married followers... with the happily married trait. Like yeah you can force them to marry you but you can't force them to like being married, so if they have happily married... I don't see where the problem is in that case

foggy geode
velvet pewter
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Guys

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What if

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Lamb mitosis

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Lamb budding

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Asexual reproduction lamb

proper sierra
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What in the name of every god humanity’s even slightly thought about did you come up with

brisk herald
calm totem
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Unless it’s a spouse right?

calm totem
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But also to prevent problems the lamb cannot mate with its children (including their direct descendants as well)

calm totem
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Like a family tree mechanic

uncut valve
fresh coral
proper sierra
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Lamtosis