just unfollow

[jade pelican]

The idea was stupid just leave your hate comment here

[jade pelican]

Boost

[agile estuary]

so you’re asking for an entire combat system reworked after we already had a combat update for what reason exactly? i feel like the game has good combat already and there are higher priorities

[jade pelican]

Two attacks, and around 9 hours of combat gameplay

If you rework the combat you can litteraly make the main attraction of the game more interesting and have more depth by adding onto it

You have a common jab and a heavy attack

It gets boring by the time your first run in silk cradle comes

And you’ll have to run through it again

If you add more depth to the main aspect, you’ll flesh out one of the most criticized parts of the game

Adding the heavy attacks didn’t help

They don’t deal much more damage unless your taking the dagger on bosses

[agile estuary]

i mean you don’t need a ton of attacks to make the game interesting, the variety in the game comes from the different weapons feeling different to use and the enemy variety being actually quite good

and curses and relics bring it up to four, which is comparable to hades

[agile estuary]

have you gotten the temple upgrades for them

[jade pelican]

Yes

And I can say with confidence, by the time I reached purged silk cradle, I was ready for the game to end so I didn’t have to do it anymore

[agile estuary]

then idk what you’re on about with not enough damage the heavies are busted on a couple weapons

[jade pelican]

On bosses

And weak enemies

But before this transpires into a argument, why don’t we not argue

[agile estuary]

the combat system does need a bit of work but i had ~150 hours and two full playthroughs before i got tired of the combat

[jade pelican]

I’m just saying, a higher skill tree with more to do feels better than what we have

Most of the curses are aim at target, then fire

Not saying the combat we have is boring

It’s just repetitive

[agile estuary]

i guess adding like a billion new combos feels weird to me

thats like three new buttons i have to remember to press in a specific order in addition to the five i’m already thinking about

some of this is cool

[jade pelican]

It’s nothing more different than God of War

[agile estuary]

i just think its a lot and a huge suggestion

[jade pelican]

And A is a jump button that can be used in a few moves

[agile estuary]

yeah but thats god of war

[jade pelican]

I don’t want a million combos

I want ways to mix up how I play

It’s just a suggestion at the end of the day

[agile estuary]

right, i’m just saying taking this concept and making it simpler would be really cool

i will say thats not what i said but that what i meant

[jade pelican]

I just hate the fact that you can beat the entire game with one button

Maybe three if we’re counting the farming sim half

[agile estuary]

not really but i see what you mean

[jade pelican]

Imagine the lamb pulling stuff you see in MGR tho

Just ripping into bosses, slicing them open like a steak on a Saturday barbecue

Bump

[valid widget]

i agree with literally everything else in this post except for all of the combat rework stuff

puzzle rooms in crusades would definitely be nice for spicing up parts of the crusade

to progress? not really

but having them be optional little rooms for extra items such as food, wood and stone, gold or maybe even tarot cards would be cool

another thing, the whole training room idea

it would be nice for followers to become more successful in missionaries and to have stronger demon forms

[jade pelican]

That’s a good idea

[valid widget]

although instead of using follower meat, it would use wood

[jade pelican]

I just thought of a combat rework lol

[valid widget]

like those wooden training dummies you see at the beginning of crusades or in kudaai's shop

[valid widget]

i have read through that idea of a combat rework thoroughly

and decided that it was stupid

so i ignored it entirely

[jade pelican]

oh

ok

[valid widget]

as the other guy has said previously,

we already had a combat update

why rework the whole thing

[jade pelican]

I’ll just delete this

[valid widget]

not the whole thing

just the combat rework part

as i said before, you do have some good ideas to come out of this

even if they're only two

also, the thing you said about changing the buttons wouldnt make much sense due to the fact that you can change the button layout at any time

[jade pelican]

Bump

[smoky linden]

I haven't played the game before, so I wouldn't be able to give tips on the combat mechanics, but the puzzles, the training room and even the unlocking moves sound very cool. A skill tree would definitely be a nice addition to the game, the training room would definetly help on your skills during combat and I believe every game needs puzzles, it's that nice break from the story and killing making you use your common sense to progress in the story

[jade pelican]

Imagine the combat would be like MGR thooo

At least visually

[ivory harness]

How about letting followers to join your crusade? Think of it as the lamb leads a team of followers going through the toughest quests no one has ever been through

Like not only you have demons but having about 3-4 followers fighting enemies in your crusade, though they’ll have the same speed like the Lamb instead of the skeletons you have to summon with your curse, especially having the same HP your follower has during your crusade, but if they die, don’t worry you can resurrect them as soon as your crusade ends, or if they survive, they’ll be exhausted after a long day of fighting, even also obtaining their own shields and weapons the lamb never has, like bow and arrows and bombs for example

[jade pelican]

Bump

[dim swan]

nah what

bro really said “make this games moveset complex as the spiderman games”

the lamb might as well fly and do mid-air attacks

💀💀💀

[jade pelican]

Is this even a suggestion or a excuse to just ridicule me

[jade pelican]

I wasn’t asking for a overly complex system, just more to do besides one attack string and a heavy

[shell berry]

Can you stop mindlessly bashing ideas you don't like?

While I agree that this idea isn't the best, that doesn't give you an excuse to be rude.

[shell berry]

But also, you can do this with most games, technically

[jade pelican]

It’s more of it’s what I’m doing, rather than what I can do

I worded that wrong

[jade pelican]

Bump

[dim swan]

bro i read your paragraph

i like the jumping part

[dim swan]

im not

replace block with parry so we can keep dodge

games like spiderman have both parry and dodge

remove the puzzles man

i dont want to solve puzzles

nobody does

it also has nothing to do with combat

😭

[shell berry]

Speak for yourself

[dim swan]

“air moves are different you cannot use them while grounded”

its called an air move….

you dont have to tell us what we already know

[shell berry]

At this point your just nitpicking

[dim swan]

bro who is talking to you

[dim swan]

parry would be ZR or ZL

[shell berry]

I don't see the point of bashing their style of writing

[dim swan]

ok but what they wrote is like me saying “flying elevates you from the ground”

[shell berry]

That's not an excuse to be rude

[dim swan]

ok but i wasnt

im giving criticism

[timber thorn]

What you said was quite rude Brody, you were condescending and used completely unnecessary skull emojis

[stoic mortar]

To everyone in the thread, discussion is okay and encouraged! But we should still be kind to each other. constructive rather than just straight up criticism

all feedback is super interesting for us! Even if it's any mechanic reworking, we will inevitably have future games we create so feedback generally is valuable even beyond COTL

[dim swan]

Am i tripping or was your name pink before

[stoic mortar]

yeah I changed to blue, people thought it was too similar to nitro booster role color

[dim swan]

ah

[shell berry]

Will you look into my threads?

[agile estuary]

whyd they have to delete the original message it wasn’t perfect but i really liked some of it

[dim swan]

what original message

oh

[stoic mortar]

I will look at threads when I am at work

[dim swan]

nice

[shell berry]

You aren't right now?

[stoic mortar]

no

[jade pelican]

Why does the mere involvement of my existence bring everything down to shit

I can’t ever be around anything without it crumbling to mold

My head hurts I can’t deal with this right now

Fuck this thread, just forget it

[shell berry]

It doesn't???

[shell berry]

Then... why were you here?

[dim swan]

she exists outside of time

[dim swan]

bro what

i just wanted you to replace block with parry

😭😭😭

[jade pelican]

You didn’t even read it

If you block then move while blocking you dodge

[dim swan]

i did wdym dawg

shit

i didnt see that part

im blind dawg

shit you put parry there too

Man I actually cant read

wtf

revamp parrying tho

make it so if you block the frame an attack is registered you parry

not the other way around

[jade pelican]

Eh

True

I don’t want a shitload of moves

I just want a entertaining system that forces me to get better

[dim swan]

like do i need to see a doctor frfr

[shell berry]

Yeah, so she shouldn't be here. She's off work

[wet garnet]

She can still use Discord and contribute as she wants even if it's outside hours

Doesn't mean it has to be to the same degree or with more threads than what she's casually browsing during off time

[shell berry]

I see

[wet garnet]

Anyway, I personally don't see newer blocking moves as necessary in a similar way that Bloodborne prefers a focus on dodging instead of blocking, but I'm reading some other opinions here too, which is fine

[wet garnet]

Potential sequel name: Cult of the Sheep

[timber thorn]

It would still be cult of the lamb, lamb isn’t indicative of age, it’s a biblical allusion

[wet garnet]

I know; I was just joking

[timber thorn]

Fair enough! I couldnt tell and we get a lot of people conflating that

[ivory harness]

Ok, so you guys know about followers joining your crusade?

So instead of the training room being used to practice combos, why not use the training tent as a way to create new weapon that can be only be used once? And maybe the training tent can be used to recruit followers to join your journey to the unknown, like to fight with weapons they can use to protect themselves with and to serve to fight, to which they have to take three days to train to join your crusade, but those who have the sloth trait, they have one extra day to train, but if they have a warrior trait, they don't need to train since they know their strengths and weaknesses, and you can recruit those fellows in a room where they used to be warriors from a different cult but their troops and allies have died all the way, which makes them the last follower standing, no where else to go

[jade pelican]

It seems the idea i worked on the hardest, is the most disliked

[ivory harness]

and with those who have the cowardly trait, they either run away from enemies or hit enemies with a weak hit

Although halp does have a point with puzzles being added into cusades, which they can be solved through riddles within the next room or so to find new follower forms, gain new tarot cards and relics, etc.

Though, they can be used a another way to get into lore tablet rooms

[jade pelican]

I think it would just mix up the crusade rooms to change it up

Keep the flow of the game going

Without being repetitive, because when I was almost finished with the game I was tired of the gameplay and I never went back until I took a monthly break

That’s why I want a combo system to make the gameplay more interesting

[ivory harness]

I see

Oh those who have unique follower forms could have special attacks than the lamb does

[jade pelican]

Give the combat a higher skill ceiling, without being overly complex

And make the lamb look like the damn bringer of destruction, when his followers aren’t looking

[ivory harness]

Like let's just say insects/rodents for example, to which they have the power to attack enemies from above or below, or to spit poison and fireballs

[ivory harness]

what do you mean?

[jade pelican]

We have a common attack

And a heavy attack that barley does anything more

After a while you wish for more

But the slower weapons are a bore, and the faster ones can take a while to kill targets if you play it carefully. Unless you bombrush and ignore avoiding attacks

[ivory harness]

So I assume that you want to kill enemies even the strongest within 3 hits or less, is the correct?

[jade pelican]

No

I wish that killing enemies was more fun

Having more ways to do so besides a projectile, or one of your two attacks

Going all dmc style is kinda overkill tho

[ivory harness]

a killing spree, you desire?

[jade pelican]

Yes

Make the lamb look, like death

Cutting through enemies, rising them up into the air

[ivory harness]

Hmm...

[jade pelican]

You could have a lot of fun just coming up with cool flashy attacks

Even some widespread attacks to hit multiple enemies

[ivory harness]

Why not a fleece can make them do that for future crusades into the unknown?

[jade pelican]

Because the combat we have is very complained about, not from fans but from gamers who play a wide variety of games

The farming sim aspect of the game is damn near perfect

Plenty of options, and crusades tie into it

[ivory harness]

Well maybe those attacks can be used into new weapons, like weapons requires combos to do so

[jade pelican]

Maybe instead of being given a random weapon, your attacks can use all of them

[ivory harness]

Like if you think of a combo attack, which weapon do you think of that could be added into the game?

All weapons at once?

[jade pelican]

Maybe one of the attacks could have the lamb pull out the knife and just straight up gut the enemy

[jade pelican]

Have more variety

Rng isn’t always fun

[ivory harness]

like nunchuks or psyche for instace?

[jade pelican]

Yeah

They would be for specific attacks

Like the hammer could be used for sweeping attacks, the lamb could spin around like a bayblade with it

[ivory harness]

Switching weapons from time to time?

[jade pelican]

Yeah

You can start out with a basic sword jab attack, but then you switch between weapon to weapon using them in creative ways

[ivory harness]

Although it would be interesting if you can combine weapons into one

[jade pelican]

That could work

[ivory harness]

Like a gun and axe type of weapon

[jade pelican]

I requested jumping because it could be used as a way to move around, maybe there’s something you need to jump over

And those damn traps

[ivory harness]

Like how spiders crashing into you?

[jade pelican]

No like

Imagine there’s a rock

Jump

Maybe not a rock but you get it

Those yellow projectiles could be jumped over

And there’s special attacks used in the air

Like the lamb can slam down into the ground with the axe and just launch everything around him into the air

[ivory harness]

So why not let a relic that can make the lamb jump and be on the air for three seconds?

[jade pelican]

A float thing

Yeah

That could extend air combos

Give whole new windows

[ivory harness]

Although the slamming part could be useful since if the lamb could use their curses alongside diving into the zone which would kill all enemies in many ways like inchor could cover up the entire room or explode all enemies

[jade pelican]

I had a idea of a rage mode

[ivory harness]

Just like how most bosses land which they'll leave poison or fireballs

[jade pelican]

It would make the lamb faster and deal more damnadge but you have to keep attacking to keep the meter from draining to 0

[ivory harness]

Like an invicibility?

[jade pelican]

No you could still be hit

Your just going beserk

[ivory harness]

Oh

So that'll make the lamb stronger?

[jade pelican]

For a short period

Re read what I said

[ivory harness]

I did

[jade pelican]

.

[ivory harness]

I see

[jade pelican]

Castle crashes is a good example of the combat I’m looking for

[ivory harness]

Just like how I think followers should join crusades, is that correct?

[jade pelican]

It would be cool

If anything it could be great since it would tie into the other aspect

Kallamars ears are a good example

[ivory harness]

Yeah

Although I think curses can be required for that since maybe the rage part would not only make the lamb stronger but also not drain any fervour at all since you did say there is a time limit, but it'll go back into it's original state, and you can use those curses multiple times in a row

[jade pelican]

I say a meter would be nice because you would run out by the time you enter a new room

[ivory harness]

I can see that

Something like recharging a relic, is that correct?

[jade pelican]

No

You have to manually fill your fevour meter now

Attacking will do so

But it has a higher cap

And projectiles use less

So you can still fill it up and use projectiles

[ivory harness]

And maybe if yoou fill it up, not only the rage mode could be obtained but it won't drain any fervour at all

[jade pelican]

That’s too op tho

The relics have their own place

[ivory harness]

Oh yeah, any thoughts of letting followers into your crusades?

[jade pelican]

Hmm

You can, they’ll behave like the dead followers from the ear

[ivory harness]

Or like dissenter followers who'll try to kill you

[jade pelican]

You can recruit them in the follower station, where you can also send them out to get stuff

[ivory harness]

That's why I pointed out about a training tent which can help thos efolowers to prepare to fight

[jade pelican]

I guess there’s two areas for it then

[ivory harness]

what do you mean two areas?

[jade pelican]

One for training followers
The other would just be a body bag that you could practice combos with

[ivory harness]

oh

[jade pelican]

I think the idea of the lamb pulling these brutal and graphic moves can be entertaining if not overdone

[jade pelican]

Bump

[wet garnet]

Why did you remove the original message? I'm not sure what the bump does then.

You could make a newer thread or just use the edit feature instead of deleting it

[jade pelican]

It only said thingamajig was below

[wet garnet]

Fair enough then; thanks for the reply

[jade pelican]

Bump

[jade pelican]

Bump