Cult of The Lamb: The Fallen Faith (an AU Discusion thread)

[reef solar]

"Maroon" is also another word for "hunter". When Bugs Bunny calls Fudd a maroon, he's saying it sarcastically.

Fun fact

Also what colors are there already, so I can list some I know that we don't have already

[novel sentinel]

wait, do all of the crowns have a character assigned yet?/genq

[reef solar]

Yeah I also agree that the number we have now is more than enough for whatever first chapter of the story we want to tell

[novel sentinel]

ah, ok. just out of curiosity, is there a list somewhere of all the crown holders? i wanna try to draw some.

(or just gimme a random one, if you’d like.)

[lament ginkgo]

Mot all yet

Not*

They have a personality and story in mind but not all of them have an appearance or name

[novel sentinel]

i see

also

i made a design for buttercup, if you wanna consider it

[lament ginkgo]

Awhhhh

Adorable

[novel sentinel]

ty ty

[lament ginkgo]

The clothing type might change but the pattern you made is probably going to stay

[novel sentinel]

thats great then

[novel sentinel]

which crown bearers don’t have a design yet? if its alright with you i’d love to design one.

[lament ginkgo]

Entirety of wave 3 and 4

[versed ermine]

Epic Art
blud steals the Kallamar crown

[novel sentinel]

im thinking of making designs for misfortune, incalescence, apathy, and drought. that sound alright? i’ll keep you paged.

(if you could lmk their personality, i’ll keep it in mind.)

[novel sentinel]

apathy design teehee

[novel sentinel]

erasure teehee

[novel sentinel]

(i made the cloak to look like a pair of bird wings wrapped around :3)

[lament ginkgo]

I love these

[royal olive]

Oh the pattern is DEFINITELY staying for her/pos

[royal olive]

Also I love that cause officially the "fleece" for Hero is infact his wings wrapped around him-

[reef solar]

You are a fantastic character designer! Also, gotta give the cow a cow bell lol

[novel sentinel]

teehee ty for the praise yall :3

[novel sentinel]

hihi, made a quick crown wheel thing to show which crowns have a design and which ones dont for quick reference :3

[tulip hornet]

WAIT THAT'S FROM THE ACTUAL DEV TEAM?!

[novel sentinel]

yuh from what i know

[lament ginkgo]

Nono

The art i used to make the edit is from the dev team

[novel sentinel]

ahh i see

[lament ginkgo]

Like the rabbit head and fleece

I just put the two together

[lament ginkgo]

The bishops also need designs

[novel sentinel]

i see

[lament ginkgo]

Neurosis and the 3 and 4th wave dont have any bit of a design

Neurosis is planned to be a snake but

We dont have a design

[novel sentinel]

oh, i’ll fix that neurosis then

there we go, i just wanted a quick reference hub

personally, neurosis is my favourite crown, so do forgive me if i favour them a bit.

like how yours is the chaos crown :3

[fresh swallow]

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN!?

[novel sentinel]

green dot = has a design
red dot = doesn’t have a design

[fresh swallow]

like a character attached to it?

that makes sence.

a bit.

[novel sentinel]

yyup

neurosis design :3

[fresh swallow]

he a ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssnakey boi!

[novel sentinel]

neurosis pog
bottom text

[tulip hornet]

Ohhhhhhhh

[novel sentinel]

colour blocking, what r we thinking?

[lament ginkgo]

Thats a crown bearer outfit

This is a bishop

[novel sentinel]

it is?

huh..

but this is the crown bearer for neurosis?

how is it a bishop, i’m so confused…

wait genuinely whats the difference between a bishop and a crown bearer, like out of the crowns, how can you tell?

like what separates them?

how can i tell the difference/gen

[fresh swallow]

....?

[lament ginkgo]

Crown bearers work under the bishops'

It's kind of like a narender and lamb situation

[fresh swallow]

but how do you tell whats what?

[lament ginkgo]

Narinder bestowed his crown to the lamb so that the lamb could do his bidding

[novel sentinel]

ah i think i understand

[fresh swallow]

im still confused.

[novel sentinel]

but the point still stands, how do i know which crowns are bishops and which are bearers?

[lament ginkgo]

All of them have Bishops and bearers

The Bishop's bestow their crowns to the crown bearers so that they may carry out their bidding

[fresh swallow]

how do you know who's what and what whatdo cold hot eat the fod?

[lament ginkgo]

The crown bearers are the right hand man's of the Bishops

[novel sentinel]

the one i drew is a bearer, so why this then?

[lament ginkgo]

We already have a bearer for that crown

[novel sentinel]

wait, what?

[lament ginkgo]

The bishop is what we plan to make a snake

[novel sentinel]

i’m very confused

[lament ginkgo]

Okay think of it like this

[novel sentinel]

i thought you said that it had no bearer??

[fresh swallow]

cold hot eat the food!

[lament ginkgo]

No I said it had no Bishop

[novel sentinel]

.

the wheel i did were for the bearers

[lament ginkgo]

Just above that message I said the Bishops need design

[novel sentinel]

.

[lament ginkgo]

Yes I was also adding on to that saying that the Bishops also need designs

[novel sentinel]

i made the wheel off of the bearers, and you corrected it

[fresh swallow]

but this and that...that and this and...
oh dear, i've gone crosseyed.

[lament ginkgo]

Most of the crown bearers have their base design

Okay this is really hard to explain I guess

Hold on

[novel sentinel]

..other then the ones marked on the wheel, thats the point of making it…

[fresh swallow]

derp i am very confused.

[lament ginkgo]

The wheel you made is accurate to how many Crown bearers have designs

[novel sentinel]

i know, i did my research

but you corrected me on that crown

so i took it out of the wheel

[lament ginkgo]

however i was talking about how there are Bishops who also need designs

[novel sentinel]

i think i can see where the miscommunication happened

[fresh swallow]

still confused.

i dont know whatsgoing on.

[lament ginkgo]

Basically you thought I was talking about Crown bearers when I was talking about Bishops

[novel sentinel]

correct

[fresh swallow]

Oj.

[novel sentinel]

and i thought vice versa

[lament ginkgo]

There

[fresh swallow]

anyone want orange juice!?

[lament ginkgo]

the snake design is really good btw

[novel sentinel]

alr alr i can change up this design a little to make it a bishop :3 no problemo

[lament ginkgo]

Definitely going to use it for the design for the bishop

Cool

[novel sentinel]

teehee ty

[lament ginkgo]

Let me show you what the crown bearer looks like

[novel sentinel]

the colours for the snake is inspired by the cheshire cat from alice in wonderland btw

fun fact

(and dw about it, i get it now)

[lament ginkgo]

This is the base for the design

Of the crown bearer of neurosis

[novel sentinel]

i see that

alr do you mind if i give the chicken the cloak of my snake design, and adjust the snake to be a bishop?

cuz i made the cloak design for a crown bearer

anyways yup yup it’s all ironed out now, confusion gone

okok, newly updated crown circle. the big dots represent the crown bearers, green means they’ve got one, red means they don’t. the little dot inside the big dot represent the bishops, if its dark green, they’ve got one, if it’s dark red, they don’t. simple enough.

[novel sentinel]

ok, like this?

re-blocked the colours

[novel sentinel]

hehe little chicky

oh btw, for the poverty crown, is midas the bishop or the bearer?

[novel sentinel]

naivety bishop ehe

budderfry

[reef solar]

I got a lot to catch up on! loving the new designs too

[reef solar]

If I recall, Midas in this universe is a bishop but what does everyone else think?

[reef solar]

With this, all the crown bearers are going to look like follower forms, wheras the bishops are usually bigger and more complex in their design

[lament ginkgo]

Go ahead

[lament ginkgo]

I love itttt

[lament ginkgo]

Yes

Bros designs are so good

Omg

[novel sentinel]

i’m a tad busy rn but i’m happy to see y’all are enjoying my art, teehee

[versed ermine]

Multiplayer gonna be insane 😭😭😭😭

[lament ginkgo]

Lmao

20 Playable characters

A 20 player co-op experience!

(please keep in mind 20 players is not possible till post game as each player has to be unlocked)

[thin bison]

Imagine wearing them all at once

[versed ermine]

Lol

[jade monolith]

well... I mean... would be insane or crazy. but either way I'm hoping there will be classes for a player to choose from, by that I mean a fighter, tank, healer, supporter, or anything else. miscellaneous types. though.... That would have to be confirmed by the devs if that'll be the case.

[novel sentinel]

if any of you guys have ideas for bishops or bearers with no preset design, lmk and i’ll draw it for ya when i get time

[ashen umbra]

I acknowledge I’ve only lurked in this thread but I have an idea for the crown of pollution. A carp(known as a dirty fish in America because of it staying in dirty rivers as well as it being an invasive species) and a green sea turtle. Carp being the bishop and the sea turtle being the bearer

[novel sentinel]

coolio and yea anyone can suggest things, i’ll draw that when i get the energy

[thin bison]

Question, do all the bishops have names

[novel sentinel]

half of em don’t even have designs yet, so i’m pretty sure thats a no.

[jade monolith]

Hmm

[lament ginkgo]

Only the first 10

[jade monolith]

wait. only ten?

[lament ginkgo]

Yep

[jade monolith]

Huh… never knew that would be the case

[lament ginkgo]

Just a message to revive the thread

[novel sentinel]

real lol

[lament ginkgo]

Damn i lost my cultist 😔

Oh well

[hollow lake]

It burns

[tulip hornet]

Mortis

[restive cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/mortis-carl10o1-gif-18549043

[lament ginkgo]

.

Woo boy i sure hope i get back into cotl

I really want to continue the development of this au but my motivation is just not there 💀

[royal olive]

Pfft, I've actually been planning to continue the basic ref art, might later on make more proper refs for them all after we get like the designs down

[novel sentinel]

so real

[lament ginkgo]

.

[jade monolith]

.

[thin bison]

.

[novel sentinel]

sigh.. maybe i’ll draw something for this thread again

[royal olive]

Would be nice, as I've actually lost motivation for art again so these darn refs are gonna be delayed more sadly

[lament ginkgo]

Woooo!

[lament ginkgo]

Keeping this alive once more

[jade monolith]

.

[rancid violet]

Death

Goodbye forever

[jade monolith]

…?

[formal token]

AM I SEEING WHAT I'M SEEING?!

I also have an AU with a pink crown!

[jade monolith]

Nice!

[lament ginkgo]

Neat :3

[formal token]

Thanks!

Here's Lambina's reference sheets! (Lambina's my OC)

[lament ginkgo]

Nice

[lament ginkgo]

[lament ginkgo]

Obligatory message to keep the chat alive until i can be bothered to actually make an update to the AU

[jade monolith]

i... don;t have a crown for my character to call their own sadly. but I don't think my character needs to be either a bishop or crown bearer, right?

[lament ginkgo]

No I don't think so

[jade monolith]

that's good to know since i lug around a shield that's twice my size. and a sword in my tail.

[restive cargo]

TOWER SHIELD? LETS GOOOOOOO

[jade monolith]

well.. round shield but can call it a Tower Round Shield.

this is what i'm refering to

do you see what's behind my character? that's the shield.

[restive cargo]

Yes

[jade monolith]

what i'm holding is a silver sword.

[restive cargo]

Personally I prefer pavises, but I suppose that works

[jade monolith]

and what i'm wearing is a flowing robe with a bell attachment.

[restive cargo]

Why silver, though?

[jade monolith]

who knows. could come across a monster with the weakness to silver.

or a monster weak to blunt damage.

[restive cargo]

Just bash em with the shield

[jade monolith]

i know. but did a moveset for just that.

(this is what it looks like.)

[restive cargo]

What is this for

[jade monolith]

for my moveset with the shield.

[restive cargo]

No I mean is this for a game or something?

[jade monolith]

well if I was in Cult of the Lamb and with the shield as my weapon. yes.

but don't ask how my shield can turn into a drill.

[restive cargo]

I was thinking that was just some squash & stretch shenanigans

[jade monolith]

but I based it off Copen's moveset from the Guvolt Series.

the top part is from Luminous Avenger 2 but with a twist since I can throw the shield but will need to pick it up. and the buttom part is a tag mechanic since this allows me to send out homing wisps to damage the tagged enemy.

after shield bashing the target.

(but yea. aside from that. that's basically it.)

[restive cargo]

Mhm

[jade monolith]

.

[lament ginkgo]

Still no motivation

[tulip hornet]

Whistle

[jade monolith]

[thin bison]

I donate some of my motivation

[lament ginkgo]

I wish that was how it worked 😭

[lament ginkgo]

Bap still no motivation

[novel sentinel]

hallowed’een lamb

[tulip hornet]

How did you pin this

[novel sentinel]

i didn’t, tha other dude did

[royal olive]

Im alive once more, good lordy this is gonna take so long to actually do stuff for

[lament ginkgo]

Ikr

[lament ginkgo]

This MIGHT pick back up once sins of the flesh comes out 👀

[rose cave]

[restive cargo]

[lament ginkgo]

No promises tho

But it's a possibility

[tulip hornet]

I see

[lament ginkgo]

soon sin of the flesh will release.. and hopefully then this project with return

[royal olive]

random idea i thought alongside this, might add instruments being a thing in the AU, as it'd be fun to have some unique things like that, and some of the instruments i might add as buildable things for it, will be fantasy like instruments but they will match some real world instruments

[shadow wadi]

I just joined the Discord but hey, this AU seems really cool! I dunno how many of the crowns are still open but I may throw my hat into the ring and make a crown bearer or bishop :O

[heavy quartz]

cute!

[royal olive]

@lament ginkgo your thoughts on the new person contributing?

i do know we already have a LOT of bishops so maybe not really a crown, but i do know characters in general are useful

[lament ginkgo]

I think it's okay

[lament ginkgo]

guess what?!

this is probably coming back :D

[rose cave]

Noice

[lament ginkgo]

Yippee

[novel sentinel]

I’m still alive.. barely…. call on me if you have somethibg to draw, creativity is a bit dry atm

[lament ginkgo]

Ok :3

[lament ginkgo]

New fallen faith content?

I made a reply to the twitter pfp contest where charcoal replaced the lamb lol

[lament ginkgo]

@royal olive I had an idea to help us start working on this again

Let's start writing the script for the first act

None of the new bishops just the arc of the Lamb fighting the og bishops and their crown bearers

[novel sentinel]

i am still kicking too

if you want some pictures or designs, just @ me

[novel sentinel]

lil neurosis sketch cuz he’s still my fav, hehe

basilisks 🔛🔝

[severe storm]

Question!

Whats the idea of Fallen Faith

And the shit ton of crowns?

Sorry if I sound rude.

I am just curious

[hidden crescent]

Pig vessel

[lament ginkgo]

That and each bishop has a crown bearer like narinder has the lamb

It's mostly just an au with a deep story

[jade monolith]

scary but awesome

[lament ginkgo]

Progress is steadily resuming

Im currently outlining the chapter count in the script

There are a total of 4 acts in the AU each with 13 Chapters 1 Prologue and 4 Bonus Chapters that elaborate on the backstory of the Crown Bearers

[lament ginkgo]

Here's the Link (No story yet, will try to work on that in the morning): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LZLkWala2-v2byqBmAEVZBRxrpupR6bHTIMGqkDpbGU/edit?usp=drivesdk

[lament ginkgo]

(i am counting the wonderful designs made by @/mako8589, mockups, and ones that haven't been redesigned yet)

[lament ginkgo]

Oh btw what animal is this

Okay so im torn on whether or not I make a raccoon one of the Bishops or one of the Crown Bearers

What I do know is that a Llama, an Axolotl, and a Bee are likely contenders for Crown Bearers

And I'm thinking either the Bishop or Crown Bearer of Insanity is gonna be a Rat

[lament ginkgo]

I've made Mycelia Crown Bearer of Despair (Character owned by @/actuallyafungus)

Head lineart is a little thick but im too lazy to fix that

[lament ginkgo]

Updated a few crowns so they look more like crowns

[severe storm]

Why didn’t you @ the person?

[lament ginkgo]

I didn't want to disturb them

They're also a mod

So

You usually only ping mods for emergencies

[civic phoenix]

heyyy! i'm making an AU similar to this. wanna dm to talk about some art exchanging?

[lament ginkgo]

That'd be cool

[civic phoenix]

shot a dm!

[lament ginkgo]

I've completed the Prologue

[lament ginkgo]

I've allowed for comments on the doc

[novel sentinel]

A squirrel, I used the base design from in-game as inspiration

[lament ginkgo]

Okay thank you

[lament ginkgo]

Heres the group posing with their weapons

Also yes I finally figured out the redesigns

The Deer and Buttercup's outfits were inspired by some cultist robes

[lament ginkgo]

Oh btw something about my au

The doors to each realm (except Darkwood) have an extra requirement to open

You must have at least defeated the previous realm's Crown Bearer

So to get to Anura you'd have to beat Charcoal

Need to name these guys

[lament ginkgo]

Im gonna be modifying the chapters a bit

Oh also

Another tweak from the main game

Each area actually requires 6 full crusades now

The first three crusades lead to the the first 3 bosses from the og

The 4th leads to the Crown bearer

The 5th leads to the bishop

And the 6th leads to the witness

[lament ginkgo]

Oh! Also

How many people would like to see a shrine for the main 4 Crown bearers in the au?

I say only the main 4 bcs if all the crown bearers got shrines then so would all the bishops

Alternatively

I could make general shrines for all the Bishops in this au and the Crown Bearers

Poll time!

I mostly ask this bcs i want to see if y'all think having a separate area for Fallen Faith Fanart to be shared, so the main discussion of this thread (Lore, Character Designing, etc) isn't overshadowed by the fan works, is a good idea

[lament ginkgo]

Phew that took forever

I'm going to repost the link to the doc

There is a bit more story added mostly it's just a reformat

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LZLkWala2-v2byqBmAEVZBRxrpupR6bHTIMGqkDpbGU/edit?usp=drivesdk

Each Act is now it's own separate doc

DW tho the next and previous Act in the story will always be at the bottom of the document

[broken rose]

Gives me final boss vibes

[lament ginkgo]

Technically yes

She is the final boss of act 2

Also

There's more canonical relevance to the AU's title

But I'll keep that to myself and the co-writers for now

Speaking of, Mycelia if you're not too busy and you see this, you should take a look through the new stuff

[lament ginkgo]

Taking a nap then will be working on the au

[lament ginkgo]

Im actually going to revert this change for a few reasons

1. im creating new traits (2 of which are semi related to Leshy's old Ability)
2. I think it makes more sense

However instead of the status being called "Angry" it'll be "Enraged"

Enraged followers will destroy decorations and buildings and frequently pick fights with other followers (they will ALWAYS win unless you break the fight up) Enraged followers have a slightly higher chance to dissent

[lament ginkgo]

Faithful and Faithless are getting an additional gimmick

Faithful followers are less likely to dissent
Faithless followers are more likely to dissent

[lament ginkgo]

Passive, Wrathful, Moderation, Gluttony, Stronger Immunity, Immunodeficient

This is the icon for Enraged

[lament ginkgo]

These traits make it either easier or harder for a follower to get Enraged, begin Staving, or get Sick

Envious, Greedy

Envious followers will lose faith if they're nearby when you give anything to another follower
Greedy followers will take double the cost of resources for anything you give them for the same amount of faith and only contribute half the amount of resource generation rounding down (unless the contribution is only worth 1)

[lament ginkgo]

Heat meter

Hydration meter

Cold Resistance, Chill Intolerant, Heat Resistant, Heat Intolerant

Stays Hydrated, Dehydrated

Energetic, Lethargic

That's all for now

[novel sentinel]

with the amount of actual in-game mechanics you seem to be thinking of, are you actually going to mod the game? as in, make this playable? or is it all purely speculative?

[lament ginkgo]

Mostly speculative

But if we actually got the experience or could find people who would be willing to help us

We could totally do that

[novel sentinel]

if i may be a little bit blunt, there’s something i’ve been thinking of since i saw how many crowns you’ve thought up

and that’s that there’s just too many for each character to get proper development

sometimes less is more, y’know?

[lament ginkgo]

That's why each Act is like

[novel sentinel]

because if you think of it in the logistics, half of the crowns don’t even have assigned characters yet

[lament ginkgo]

50 Chapters long

[novel sentinel]

let alone developed personalities

yes, but you’re BOUND to get burnt out, trying to put a face to all of those names

[lament ginkgo]

With bonus chapters for some character backstory

[novel sentinel]

and even if you do, it’ll get watered down the more you try to make

[lament ginkgo]

I know that

I already have gotten burned out before

[novel sentinel]

exactly

[lament ginkgo]

But I still have a lot of passion behind this project and I plan to continue through it

[novel sentinel]

so in my personal opinion, i think you should cut some of the crowns

[lament ginkgo]

That will not be happening

[novel sentinel]

there’s just an unnecessary amount

[lament ginkgo]

Anytime soon

[novel sentinel]

if you say so

i’m just sayin

it’s a bad idea to start out with so many characters

you’ll just run yourself into the ground trying to think up original character concepts

but if you’re so stubborn, it’s not my place to say

[lament ginkgo]

We already have almost all the characters done

[novel sentinel]

do you, tho?

because a LOT of characters here have little more then a follower form and a crown

[lament ginkgo]

We have about half of the vessels and Bishops already done

Or at least base designs in mind

[novel sentinel]

then why not just use that ‘half’?

[lament ginkgo]

Plus this aint a solo project

[novel sentinel]

the more characters you add on, the less important they become

[lament ginkgo]

I've got 2 co-writers and plenty of people here who helped with design

[lament ginkgo]

That's why we're done with character additions

[novel sentinel]

i get that criticism sucks to hear when you’re passionate about something, but i’m saying this out of love for the project, not only to be critical

[lament ginkgo]

I get that

I'm glad you're trying to help, but i really don't think it'll be a big issue

Especially when we're taking the project 1 step at a time

Sure we've laid the groundwork for the entirety of the au

[novel sentinel]

i’m telling you now, there’s no way that many characters will be comfortable to work with

[lament ginkgo]

But most of the lore writing right now is focused on the first Act

[novel sentinel]

but if you want to, go ahead

i’m just saying it now

give it some thought

[lament ginkgo]

If it ever gets to the point where I think the character amount is detrimental I will consider that

[novel sentinel]

thanks, thanks

that’s all i’m sayin

[lament ginkgo]

Thank you for trying to help

[novel sentinel]

just to put the idea out there

[lament ginkgo]

But anyways if you want to stay up to date on the current story the link to the doc is over here

[novel sentinel]

…i’m aware. i’m the person who’s drawn up a good many designs for you before, you know?

[lament ginkgo]

Oh right

Sorry it's like 2:00 a.m. And I'm tired

[novel sentinel]

haaha

no problem

[novel sentinel]

@lament ginkgo is it alright if i make my own spinoff au of the fallen faith? I won’t be posting it anywhere (except for maybe here with the due ‘not canon’ warnings) and will obviously credit/@ you, i’d just like to try my own hand with making a story from some of these characters and thought i’d check with the creator first

[novel sentinel]

just that this seems… a bit much

(that count is for the bishop+bearer of each crown, plus the 4 additional bearers for the base crowns.)

[lament ginkgo]

I'm okay with it but you'll have to also ask my head co-writer

[royal olive]

Honestly, it could help a little bit with some writing inspo too for Charcoal, he's not giving me much info so i can't actually help write a lot

[lament ginkgo]

That's cuz we're writing this together

You're allowed to write characters how you like

[lament ginkgo]

I've redrawn the crowns again :3

Changing Judgment to Conquest

[lament ginkgo]

@royal olive i had a better idea for the second act bishop injuries

Neurosis: no heart (in reference to the fact snakes can't feel love)
Poverty: no hands (Now Midas can no longer use his fabled touch to turn things to gold)
Deception: no tongue (what a cruel but ironic fate for The Fox, to lose sense of taste)
Fatigue: No Stomach (Would be hard not to be tired all the time if you've lost the very thing that helps generate the most energy)

I have more ideas for injuries such as no nose, no wings (for any bishop that would've had em), no legs/a missing leg, no lower jaw

Thoughts?

[royal olive]

ooh, yeye, would make sense with how Erasure is protective of her land

and basically the only family who give her respect living on that land she rules over, so if its in danger it makes a lot of sense she would be feisty, especially if Shamura was threatened the most cause well, those two being canonically married

[lament ginkgo]

Yis

[royal olive]

the bird wife is VERY protective of their spidey spouse

i still wanna draw the two being cute together at some point, or you could draw both of them in their follower forms being a cute couple while i work on designs still

[lament ginkgo]

Dew it

Currently making the mock-ups for the rest of the vessels

[royal olive]

i also remembered technically Hero has a ponytail as one of their design traits

[lament ginkgo]

Speaking of hero I've made a slight tweak to the design to make them more unique from the bird follower forms

I did the same to cody

[royal olive]

Fun fact for yall, the bishops of the Old Faith including Malice have something special to them all, as in this special thing is one thing, they can recognize, even with some injuries, and they will wind up having special responses to this, it will be showed off in the story so i dont wanna downright say it unless Charcoal says it

[lament ginkgo]

:)

[royal olive]

but yeah, to say the least, this one thing, will bring back memories, and they all worked together on it when they were still a proper family

[royal olive]

@low beacon here it is

thee gooby thread

[low beacon]

Oooo 👀

[royal olive]

boutta give two teasers and colors should make it obvious who the two are

also gonna show a lil of what the style is gonna be like

or well, official rendering style

but those two are two characters everyone in this thread who's not brand new would know

also this is technically flat colors, despite how the eyes have a color fade

[royal olive]

@tranquil sand

Ray wanted to see what was up so i pinged him here lol

[lament ginkgo]

Hah

[royal olive]

you got lots to read here/pos

lots of random tidbits of lore too

[lament ginkgo]

I've opened an AMA for Charcoal in a thread in general, It might give an inside look at some of the lore and give more character development to Charcoal and a few others around him, just be aware though not everything will be answered fully, some things you'll have to wait for the first Act to end for answers

The AMA takes place sometime after the Darkwood Saga of Act 1 but before Act 2

#1230251561993637919 is where you can find it

[lament ginkgo]

Might write more today

[royal olive]

and of course, im working on designs more lol

[lament ginkgo]

I started writing more for this AU then went to the wiki for info only to start making contributions to it bcs the wiki didn't have the info i needed as easy to find than I thought 😅

[ashen umbra]

Hey! I had proposed a design for the bearer and bishop of pollution, so I think I’ll finish it up and post it here

[lament ginkgo]

Ooo ok

We actually already have the bearer for pollution

It's going to be an axolotl

[ashen umbra]

Really? Why an axolotl? I'm just curious because when I think pollution, I don't normally think axolotl

[lament ginkgo]

Because theyre endangered due to their natural habitat becoming polluted

[ashen umbra]

makes sense

got a specific color in mind?

[lament ginkgo]

We did go with pink but the design aint released yet bcs its the rough concept so

We actually have all the crown bearer species now

It's just we haven't released any of them because they're still in early concept phase

[royal olive]

Yesh and i am one making more detailed refs

[lament ginkgo]

Did some more writing

[lament ginkgo]

Have a silly

[lament ginkgo]

Oh btw this will come soon

[uncut hemlock]

ooooo look at this thread 👀

I love what I'm seeing, nice work dude!

[lament ginkgo]

(Repost from #🐐・general)
The Rabbit was the runt of his litter, his family didn't really treat him well because of it... And one day he ran away from home
He ran deep into Darkwood
For weeks he had to survive cold and alone until one rainy day Leshy found him
Leshy took him in, gave him clothes, and gave him a gift... A gift that he would forever hold dear

[lament ginkgo]

This au started like a year ago lol

Im making the lamb's relic next

Its a framed photo of the lamb's family 😈

[uncut hemlock]

this will be my 43rd art thread I'm following 😅

[lament ginkgo]

Lol

[uncut hemlock]

that's what's up, I'll deff dig through and try to catch up

[lament ginkgo]

Lamb family portrait

[royal olive]

Btw, the Lamb is directly given their artifact by someone who isn't Chamech, that's one thing o think would be a fun thing for yall to speculate, and some of these relics have planned tooltip style things to them

Lamb's relic is planned to have something along the lines of "Something worth fighting for."

[lament ginkgo]

The Shrine is up! Feel free to share any fanart you have related to the au here!
#1232980425274687579

[lament ginkgo]

It's crazy how far we've come

[royal olive]

indeed

[thorn estuary]

Nice characters!!

[rose cave]

It's lookin' nice and alive in here, great to see that :3 Things have changed

[lament ginkgo]

Hello shroom dealer

[rose cave]

Heyo Char

[lament ginkgo]

:3

[lament ginkgo]

Aftermath

[lament ginkgo]

Ive been a little too busy to work on the script but I'll try to today

[lament ginkgo]

I redid the crowns yet again

But this time

I gave them the red crown treatment

What do i mean by that?

I'll show you

This is the highest quality asset of the red crown

Notice how the eye has a bit of texture and the crown itself isn't completely black

[royal olive]

Oooh?

[lament ginkgo]

Now all of them have texture

And also I redesigned some of them because I felt some still weren't unique enough, like the silhouette was too similar between a couple of them

This issue still persists a little bit but it's certainly better

[royal olive]

I still wanna give a sorta grand vibe th Erasure cause the new lore tidbits we got, of basically the bishop who owns that crown basically being a "god king"

[uncut hemlock]

I love these, really well made dude!!

[lament ginkgo]

The Crown Ring™ will be coming soon

And the status on designs will come at the same time (Due to all the Vessels being finished this is only for the Bishops)

[lament ginkgo]

Thx!

[jade monolith]

that's... alot

[novel sentinel]

my thoughts exactly, my good fellow

[lament ginkgo]

Im currently redesigning weapons, some of these weapons will be changed to something else

[uncut hemlock]

whoa owo

[warm moat]

damn

[rose cave]

A Kama for misfortune? Or is that a scythe?

[lament ginkgo]

Scythe

Whats a kama?

[royal olive]

its like the between of a scythe and sickle

kamas are a japanese tool if i found the right article

[lament ginkgo]

In regards to Cody's injury under Neurosis instead of Cody having his heart forcefully sacrificed (because I'm making it so the 2nd wave also have the injuries) he sacrificed a rib

Since uhh Cody would die without a heart

[royal olive]

Could also be even they were injured by Malice, but not as badly, so maybe missing the skin over the ribs so its also showing the missing rib

[lament ginkgo]

No no

The 2nd wave of Vessels (excluding Hero) get brainwashed into helping the 2nd wave of Bishops, These Bishops would take the very things from the Vessels that had been taken from them by Malice

Also i thought about it and actually yes Cody will have his heart removed, but he has an artificial heart in it's place

[rose cave]

Just explain it with Bishop curse magic :D lol

[lament ginkgo]

That would work but Cody would likely die as soon as Neurosis is defeated

[rose cave]

Well, a curse doesn't need to be dependent on a casters life, but also kinda true

[lament ginkgo]

I could see that becoming a part of the plot if we ditch the more linear structure of the narrative and make more room for side plots and whatnot

Which also brings me to think this au could work a whole lot better as a large scale fan game or mod but uhh my co-writers and I don't have that kinda experience nor the time to actually work on that

[rose cave]

Which is fair

[lament ginkgo]

Although more stuff could be explored in shorter side comics

Cuz keep in mind this AU (and the novel-like script) is meant to become a comic series

[rose cave]

I never knew that

But that's cool

[lament ginkgo]

They are all miserable (mostly bcs they all have VERY fresh wounds)

[lament ginkgo]

Lore drop
Neurosis (Asclephobos) is actually the one who stole Ratoo's heart in this AU (which makes her losing her heart even more ironic)

[warm moat]

glad you fixed that one chicken

i hate that follower form

[lament ginkgo]

Why? The anatomical inaccurate beak?

Also thats not a follower

The follower form is unchanged in this au

Thats the Vessel of Fear

[royal olive]

also if i remember, we made Marcus have an over the shoulder sort of cape and not the robes

or atleast when i drew him i had given it to him

[lament ginkgo]

Yeah buth there were too many capes

Couldn't think of unique enough designs that were also not to complicated

[royal olive]

i mean we can start changing the others too, might keep the over the shoulder part, cause the cover art stuff allows more complex stuff

[lament ginkgo]

I like how the others look imo

[royal olive]

that's fair

might give Cody a ripped tunic to show the bandages in the art of him im making

also we could do an animation for some of these things, knowing how Ibis Paint allows animations now, i also just have Flipaclip too on my laptop

[lament ginkgo]

Awhhh but i especially like cody's cape

Unless you're giving him bith

Both*

[royal olive]

i was thinking of both

[lament ginkgo]

Bet

[royal olive]

like all the great despair crown bearers are a little fancier

Hero literally wears a dress and uses their wings as a shawl out of battle, i think that's pretty fancy

[lament ginkgo]

Omg i forgot to do hero!

Eh oh well

She's yours to design

[royal olive]

that is true but idk how to do sprite edits as good as you

[lament ginkgo]

Speaking of i actually have to talk to Mycelia about her character's design

[lament ginkgo]

Tip, grab a bunch of sprites from https://cotl-spoilers.xl0.org/
Use bleed pen at a size of 5

[royal olive]

we could reference also the fact Malice originally was once missing a leg by also giving Hero a similar injury with a wounded leg, but it was just a coincidental injury

[lament ginkgo]

I love it

[royal olive]

so maybe a bandaged foot could work cause well, Malice has a whole prosthetic leg

[lament ginkgo]

Ill dm any references of the character that you'll need to you

[royal olive]

im also busy helping a friend with a game wa

[lament ginkgo]

Kk

[jade monolith]

pretty cool so far

[novel sentinel]

I feel like you should list off these characters at some point because despite my best efforts i have barely any idea who any of these characters are

[lament ginkgo]

I will! Once the major characters are all done we'll make info cards or something

[novel sentinel]

nifty, if you want some surface-level help (as in, not having me as a lorekeeper) lmk, i have an app that makes that kinda thing pretty easy

(the actual information isn’t canon to the actual lore, this is my au stuff haha) but this is what it looks like ^-^

[novel sentinel]

sneak peak of atlas (my spinoff au’s naivety bishop) in his battle form!!
lamb for scale ^-^

[novel sentinel]

i’ve decided that in their battle forms, the 4 new bishops crown eye symbols will be inverted, as seen here ^-^ 2 of them don’t change when flipped, so i’m going to change it up another way

atlas infodump

disclaimer: none of this is canon to this au! this is purely my spinoff, and has no official affiliation to the fallen faith as seen in this channel ^^

[jade monolith]

Pretty cool but their transformed state looks horrifying in a good way

[lament ginkgo]

Might start on wave 3's vessels now

Or might not

I got sick over the weekend so my energy is fucked

[distant zephyr]

I could imagine an UltraKill Clair De Soleil style battle between Lambert and the Rabbit with the Green Crown!

[lament ginkgo]

For any newcomers this one might be a LONG read 😅

I'll scroll to the top and reply to the first post to make it easier

This is the start

[lament ginkgo]

Im about to start wave 3 but i need Mycelia's input on their character

[lament ginkgo]

Lore Dump!
The Grand Authority was a great and cruel dictatorship ruling their lands with an iron fist, till one day, one of their own, The Reclusive Schismatic, saw the suffering they were causing and turned on them, Taking something precious of theirs before going into hiding forever... They took with them The Lungs of Pollution, The Wings of Torridity, The Jaw of Despair, and The Leg of Misfortune.

[novel sentinel]

currently working on headshot designs for all the characters in my tff spinoff au!

[lament ginkgo]

Awhhh

This spinoff looks promising

[novel sentinel]

bluebell (spinoff au’s buttercup) took a little more fiddling with the design then the other two, but here she is!

she’s based off of a highland cow!! ^-^

[lament ginkgo]

Awhhh

[novel sentinel]

here’s the amount of crowns i’m working with in my au!! they’re all supposed to be a semi-direct parallel to the base game crowns, Pride thinking they can never die, Apathy being too careless to bother with chaos, peace, or anything like that, gluttony and famine being pretty obvious haha, fear and pestilence is supposed to be like they’re overly worried about everything, including getting sick, in the lore this leads to their total isolation, and naivety paralleling war in that people who think that conflict can always be avoided no matter the circumstances usually do more harm then good ^-^

[lament ginkgo]

Pretty good 👍

[novel sentinel]

since the 4 new bishops are relatively young in the timeline (they’re going to appear post-game, taking over the regions inhabited by the previous 4 after they die) they’re all gonna be a little on the shorter side compared to the og bishops

[novel sentinel]

pythios and atlas, check! already halfway done with the new bishops, hehe

[lament ginkgo]

You should make your own thread for this, i bet it'll get a lot of attention!

If you do just remember to credit me, @royal olive, and @reef solar for the og AU (and link this thread)

[royal olive]

yeah

[lament ginkgo]

Okay so

Im pretty much done with the 3rd wave of Vessels

But I'm conflicted about the 4th wave for a few reasons

1 I'm running out of injuries to give bishops that wouldn't just leave them or their vessel dead/extremely disabled (basically bed bound) without the crowns power
2 I'm debating whether or not to make the land ruled by The Holy Compassion more technologically advanced than the other lands

Cuz like

It'd make sense in some ways, The Holy Compassion would allow their followers more time to advance technology than the others since they're very kind to their followers

Part of the second conflict ties to the 1st one because i could justify some of the extreme injuries not affecting them as much with advanced technology (sci fi shit) but on the other hand it could clash with CoLT's vibe

I won't finish the designs for the 4th wave Vessels till I solve this

I thought about it more, i dont think I'll be making them more technologically advanced, I'll explain the injuries not affecting them as much with the crowns being used to somewhat heal the injuries

Also for The Holy Compassion the Vessel's injuries were not inflicted by the Bishops

They either happened during the fight with Insanity or somewhere down the line, coincidentally being the same/similar injury as their bishop

So heres the summary of why each vessel wave has their injuries (minus the 5th vessels of every wave)
Vessels of the Old Faith: to prove they're worthy of being a vessel
Vessels of the Great Despair: The Bishops wanted the Vessels to suffer the same pain they feel
Vessels of The Grand Authority: Pure Cruelty (The Vessels were given their injuries long before The Bishop's did)
Vessels of The Holy Compassion: Coincidence (Their Injuries were treated as a Sign that they were destined to be the Bishops Vessels)

Now with that out of the way

Here are the Vessels of The Grand Authority

(no Mycelia's eyes aren't always glowing, i just chose to make them glow to reference their pfp)

[severe storm]

Authority? Sounds like a dictatorship /J

[lament ginkgo]

They are

[lament ginkgo]

Gonna be a small bit before I do more work on this

I'll start more work sometime next week

[lament ginkgo]

Expect the final vessels sometime this week

[lament ginkgo]

Final vessels

Lore dump:
The Bishops of The Holy Compassion tried to calm Insanity's rampage... Unfortunately for them, insanity was beyond saving... Insanity nearly killed them, having torn out Apathy's Ribs, Drought's Kidneys, Conquest's Spine, and Naivety's Liver... But eventually they overpowered Insanity and locked him away in a soundproof vault stripping him of his crown and sending it far away... But not before Insanity cursed it to turn the first one to find it into a vessel for them to use to become free again

[novel sentinel]

Laid out the crowns in their groups so it’s easier to read for y’all, yw

[novel sentinel]

final main 4 of the spinoff done!

the thing i’m specifically trying to avoid with these characters is making them NOT look like follower forms. like, if you were to recruit them, they would be easily identifiable as not just a follower form

because as nice as the designs in the main au are, a LOT of them just look like slightly edited follower forms cuz.. y’know, they literally are

for example (not to pick in fatigue in particular) if you were to fight this guy in-game it would feel like basically the same experience as fighting a damned (as in one that took in too much sin and becomes an enemy, not used as an expletive) follower form of a bison

[lament ginkgo]

Yeah i hear ya, I tried my best to differentiate they'll probably look drastically different from the follower form in the final product but i was working with what i had

[royal olive]

yeah with the ideas i have they likely would look more notably different too, such as maybe different expressions as a more subtle thing, but the hair could be more scruffy looking than the follower for Fatigue to make them more unique

maybe even a mutation reference where horned animals can have more than their regular horns, like a little nub of a third horn?

[lament ginkgo]

Also i think each wave of bishops should have different robe designs

Coming from different cultures first off would mean they dress a little differently

Plus being able to display their injures wouldn't be possible for a lot of them if they all wear a cloak that covers 90% of their body

[royal olive]

yeahh

the great despair could be the ones that wear more tribal like outfits, thus why Malice herself has the dress she does

[novel sentinel]

i ❤️ this app for character development

i’d say that makes the base 4 decently fleshed out, neato

[novel sentinel]

made a few relationship charts so you get the gist of their feelings for eachother, if u were curious

also pride bishop and bearer!!

and brutus, we love you too brutus

[novel sentinel]

floaty third horn inspired by this ^-^

[worn bronze]

I just read through this entire thread, and I have to say, I'm very impressed!

I love how you added so many new crowns

[novel sentinel]

HELP ME IM BEING POSSESSED BY REVERSE ART BLOCK

[lament ginkgo]

Lol

[lament ginkgo]

Thanks

[novel sentinel]

PHASE 1 FINALLY OVER RAUGHH

[novel sentinel]

(for the canon au) thought i’d post this here too for the masses

[atomic pike]

WRONG CHANNEL MY BAD

[severe storm]

That’s just called Motivation

I call it Art Surge

[novel sentinel]

short axel backstory moment

axel my boy ily

[dry oxide]

theres so much info this is an amazing au!

[novel sentinel]

ALSO CLARIFICATION!! this is for the spinoff au, not canon!

[novel sentinel]

hotako and his daughter, gluttony crown bishop and bearer respectively ^-^ (spinnoff)

he’s a goat, she’s a fox

[novel sentinel]

hotako deffo has one of those ‘#1 dad’ coffee mugs and he deserves it too

[atomic pike]

GOAT!!!!

[lament ginkgo]

Oooo

[lament ginkgo]

I haven't worked on this in a bit 😅

Ive been working on other projects (and making sure i dont fail school "=~=)

[rose cave]

School is important

[jade monolith]

Looks like a spear user

[novel sentinel]

btw gen question, are you guys planning on redesigning some of these crowns in the future? not to be a straight out hater but you gotta admit some of em look a little off (e.g. deception, torridity, erasure)

[thin bison]

I’ve come to donate some more motivation

[lament ginkgo]

Nah

Torridity is purposely supposed to look like fire

Deception would lose it's unique look imo and i wouldn't know how to improve erasure

[royal olive]

Im trying to improve Erasure, so I've got it covered

[reef solar]

I'm wondering how the existence of the Goat (The Kid?) will influence the au if at all?

[lament ginkgo]

Probably not much considering most of this voids A lot of things post RotOF

[novel sentinel]

i’ve decided to name the gluttony bearer valentine ^-^

[novel sentinel]

new character just dropped gang.. i’ve got too much lore cooked for him to drop it all here but erm he made all the crowns a looong time ago. so don’t expect much interaction in the main storyline but. he’s here. and affects the lore. ❤️

[novel sentinel]

he’s like.. the god above gods, ya know

[novel sentinel]

did you, in your crusade to find god (before crowns) find out that they’re not real? Don’t worry, you can just make them.

[novel sentinel]

2/4 bishops fully done.. still working on pythios’s monstrous form but still still that’s just colour

biblically accurate blair. bottom text

[novel sentinel]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dHaLZ7rLrAMJd0xocRB7_jSfyRzRybZJjWRaHcwQmqQ/edit?usp=sharing finally made a google doc for the spinoff…

i don’t write in google docs, so i’ll just paste in what i have when it’s done

[reef solar]

Happy the god of gods is a bug

[jade monolith]

cool

[lament ginkgo]

Well this is ironic

I gots a lamb pfp despite the fact that charcoal is the #1 lamb hater XD

[novel sentinel]

pythios is all wrapped up now ^-^

[lament ginkgo]

Might continue working on the script sometime soon

Been very busy tho lately

Got a lot of other projects and ideas im constantly jumping between

[lament ginkgo]

Now that I've thought about it the goat from base game could be a sort of "Story Shift" version of the lamb where all of the characters take a different but similar role in the story like each category of character (Mini boss, Bishop, vessel, ect.) getting their roles shuffled around within the category (i.e. no bishops getting turn to vessels for example) and the crowns shuffling color palette

[royal olive]

im randomly wanting to sketch Shamura watching Malice wander like the beautiful goddess of fate she is pretty much

[royal olive]

everyone has to see how whimsical the bird mama is

[royal olive]

my phone broke so uh, here's the most recent thing of Bird Mama

[lament ginkgo]

Srry for lack of updates my hyperfixations have been keeping me in a chokehold

[lament ginkgo]

yall know the drill, new update to the game means im likely to do more for this lol

[novel sentinel]

same here 😼 my cotl hyperfixation is roused with every new dlc

[lament ginkgo]

"𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂" charchar 🤨

[novel sentinel]

i’m 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂 wdym

[lament ginkgo]

You getting ur 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴 on

[royal olive]

remembered this, i think we could change Redo to Renewal, or Remembrance

dangit, also remembered the idea of it being called Creation

ight @lament ginkgo you wanna pick which one you prefer?

[lament ginkgo]

Wont say the og 5 bcs thats obv

Achievements for defeating the BISHOPS without taking damage

Neurosis - Bravery
Poverty - Wealth
Deception - Integrity
Fatigue - Stamina
Erasure - Creation
Misfortune - Luck
Despair - Hope
Incalescene - Temperate
Pollution - Purity
Isolation - Communication
Apathy - Enthusiasm
Naivety - Knowledge
Drought - Hydration
Judgement - Approval
Insanity - Sensibility

These are also what the inverse crowns are called

That was my response to the list

With some slight modifications, as i recently thought of better ideas since then

The crown bearers wouldn't have achievements

If they did the name of said achievements wouldn't have anything to do with the bishop they serve

More so their backstory

plus the lamb wouldn't have an achievement anyway, you cant fight the lamb he's the MC

[sand dirge]

cue a secret boss where you play as someone else and fight the lamb

[lament ginkgo]

Also

[lament ginkgo]

Remember this

Well it might not be a shift au but more so one where they have different personalities

[sand dirge]

👍

[lament ginkgo]

Like how in the trailer the lamb pulls another lamb out of the water and it turns into a goat

Their species would only shift when pulled into this universe

I DID however make the shifted crowns

[sand dirge]

Yes

[sand dirge]

That’s a good theory

[lament ginkgo]

Shift crowns pt 1

Shift crowns pt2

Now granted this concept would probably only come into play in like a spin-off comic or like a mini comic

(saying that bcs this au is planned to become a comic series)

[sand dirge]

Coooool

[jade monolith]

A lot of crowns

[sand dirge]

Yes

[lament ginkgo]

Updates have been (and are being) made on the script for the au

[lament ginkgo]

I have made the decision to separate Acts into 5 parts in order to ensure each entry of the comics isnt too long allowing for them to come out sooner

Each part focuses on 1 area

With the final part being the build up to and the finale of the act

As of now only Act 1's script layout has been altered to fit this change

Anyways i hope you all enjoy reading the revisions and additions to the script

And remember to leave feedback using the google doc comment feature

For those who might need it here is the link!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LZLkWala2-v2byqBmAEVZBRxrpupR6bHTIMGqkDpbGU/edit?usp=drivesdk

[lament ginkgo]

@royal olive sooo I've had a few ideas

1 The Eternal Mother's name should probably fit with the rest of the bishops naming trends (Most bishops have names that are based on actual gods)
2 maybe the crown of Erasure could be the Crown of Malice instead since i feel it fits the theme of "Horsemen of the apocalypse" more (+ it'd be a reference to the fact that she's a version of yourself)

[royal olive]

Also technically works when erasure is usually seen as a malicious thing

[lament ginkgo]

So we going with that?

regardless of that, we have some major updates!

Every area for this AU has been given a theme named!

Not only that but A few major characters have been named!

I'll be explaining these updates over the course of the next few days when i have time

Let's start with the names!

The final bosses of act 3 and 4 have been given a species and name!

Act 3's final boss, The Bishop of Isolation, Has been given the species of Wolf/Hellhound! Their name is Anuberus (a fusion of the names Cerberus and Anubis)...

They used to have 3 heads but the other bishops severed 2 of them. He was only able to save 1 of the severed heads from being completely destroyed, it serves as his relic

(much like The Eternal Mother, Hes serves as my self insert)

He created 2 robot companions in the image of the heads he lost, they're named Cerby and Nubis. They're the mini boss that you fight before fighting Anuberus

[lament ginkgo]

Act 4's final boss, The Bishop of Insanity, is a Bear named Ursaheim. They were defanged after going on a massacre that resulted in several fatalities and severe injuries (including towards the other bishops)

[lament ginkgo]

One of these fangs serves as their relic

They were locked away in a vault guarded by 2 other bears named Purson and Balam

Oh Also I'm planning on making the Bishop of Apathy a Vampire Bat, You'll find out why when i get to talking about the areas

[lament ginkgo]

I'm actually going to something interesting with Despair's Bishop

It's going to be a skeleton of some sort that has fungus growing on it. It's still going to be considered a mushroom because that is the thing that's alive and in control

[lament ginkgo]

Aaand I've just come up with all the species

[sand dirge]

Ooooo

[royal olive]

we could go Marri for Malice instead, technically referencing the first part of the name of the Morrigan, for the whole thing of going for names based on gods atleast

[lament ginkgo]

IDK

If we're making "Erasure" be "Malice" the name might be too close to the crown

[lament ginkgo]

Anyways let me explain some areas

Gloomist is a land in the sky made entirely of fluffy storm clouds , it can get very foggy and is quite prone to thunder and rain storms. It is the realm of Misfortune

Moltenridge is a charred mountainscape home to lakes of lava (basically your typical mario castle level except in a mountain environment instead of a castle) it is the realm of torridity

Blighted Mire is a heavily polluted swap, the air quality is quite bad and there are quite a few patches of unbreathable air (it'd work like poison puddles). It is the realm of Pollution

[summer arrow]

Oh a cow as a Successor/counterpart to the blue crown

[lament ginkgo]

Cursefort is a haunted mansion. Home to ghosts, zombies, vampire bats, and more. It is the Realm of Apathy

[lament ginkgo]

Ah welcome, i see you're new, you've got a lot of lore to catch up on

[summer arrow]

Speaking of bats i gave this OC As a successor to the blue crown to fit with the main timeline but a bishop counterpart to kalamar

Anyway as a bishop their name is bathomer

[lament ginkgo]

It's a bit confusing at times so if you have any questions feel free to dm me

[lament ginkgo]

Oh uhh this place isn't really an oc share thread, they look really nice though

[summer arrow]

I thought i would just share as i saw that a bat bishop was mentioned

[lament ginkgo]

I get it, but sharing OCs here can really interrupt the conversation flow

[summer arrow]

Fair

[lament ginkgo]

Again though they look really cool

[summer arrow]

Thx

[lament ginkgo]

Where was i? Oh yeah

[summer arrow]

Ok 1750 messages isn't too much to scroll through

[lament ginkgo]

Scorcholt is a forest filled with burnt and dead plant life. Not much wildlife can survive in this landscape as there are not many places to make home, and all the lakes have gone dry. It is the Realm of Drought

Frightfair is a rundown circus/carnival filled with all sorts of fun things now twisted into terrifying attractions. It is the Realm of Naivety

Ruined Providence is a kingdom/castle in ruin. This kingdom was once prosperous, now laid in ruin due to the conquest of a rival kingdom and laid in further ruin due to The Sadistic Whisperer's massacre that happened sometime after the Bishop of Conquest claimed this land as their own.

[summer arrow]

Is Multiple tax collectors a thing in the game(as in at the same time) a thing?

[lament ginkgo]

No no, if you read more you'd know they're all from different cults (at first at least)

Once they join The Lamb's cult they lose tax collector status

[summer arrow]

Ah

[lament ginkgo]

Sorry for lack of updates fallen faith fans (although you're probably used to it by now) I've had a lot going on, I might continue to write on the story doc though later today, no promises though

[lament ginkgo]

Okay i haven't written more BUT i do have a charcoal drawing done from memory gotta say he looks cute with 3 tufts of fur on each side

[novel sentinel]

yo every1, i’m still here if u need me. i really reckon u guys just gotta iron your story out really, get a document and write down all your characters and their basic lore cuz atm this thread is extremely difficult to follow and the character development is extremely unbalanced

if you don’t have the people/time/love to develop all the characters you’re creating, then they’re going to be 2 dimensional “just a name and a face” characters which are EXTREMELY hard to like, so i think you just need to cut off the excess and focus on your main characters and your lore rather then juggling all these crowns and characters that you’ll never develop properly without bloating ur au. just a bit of critical feedback from someone who’s been here for ages

i’ve been watching y’all develop this bad boy for over a year and a half now and it still seems to hardly have developed, and i definitely feel like it’s because it’s suffering from the amount of characters here, it’s too much for someone to be able to actively engage with each

A novel has too many characters if there are a bunch of characters who have no purpose. They tend to crowd the story and distract the reader. When I read books with ‘too many characters’ (at least for my taste), I find myself struggling to remember names, growing bored during the chapters or scenes dedicated to the unnecessary ones, and skipping large chunks of pointless narrative or dialogue.

In general, the consensus is that each character should have a purpose, even if it’s a small purpose. If a character is there for no other reason than to add another name or perspective, then you might need to reevaluate their place in the story. Could their role be given to another, more interesting character? Should they perhaps take on the role of other, less interesting characters?

The main reason for this is that the more concise your book is, in terms of plot, dialogue, and description, the more likely your readers are to remember and care about what’s important.

i’ve been parroting this for ages by now, but seriously, this au is SUFFERING from it, and as someone who likes it and wants to see it thrive, i feel like it’s important for negative feedback to be heard as well as positive

charcoal is OBVIOUSLY the creator’s favourite, and there’s no issue with that, but when all the character development and plot revolves around one character, the rest seem to fade out. i hope you don’t take this as hate, it’s genuine concern from a long time fan

[novel sentinel]

also, i made a couple simple sketches of insanity and apathy’s bishops, based off of what little lore we have. i’d make more, but i don’t feel like it

since the base game bishops have bandages around their injuries, i did the same for insanity’s defanging

[novel sentinel]

quick speed round of my interpretation of the 4 forbidden bishops, or something. up to you whether you accept them as canon or not, but i stuck to the lore as best as i could

anuberis just has a heavy shadow over his face, it’s not any different colour

also finally have the inspiration to remember my au for this and pick it back up

[lament ginkgo]

A lot of the characters are going to have a bigger purpose, i just haven't been focusing on them as much because they're later in the story, but yeah I can see how this project has gotten a little overambitious. I think for now the second half (act 3 and 4) could be cut from any focus at least until act 1 and 2 are complete

Another problem this AU faces is i simply haven't had the time or energy to work on it. My hyperfixations kinda lead what projects of mine i work on and i haven't been hyperfixated on Cult Of The Lamb in a while so I haven't had the motivation to work on this project as much

[novel sentinel]

overambitious is definitely the word i’d use for this, and don’t worry i get the struggle with energy

i just feel like it’d also be easier for you to develop and work on it if it didn’t feel so huge, it’s kind if an uphill battle trying to crank out info for this big of a scale, no real easy way to keep yourself from burning out

[lament ginkgo]

I really do love this au though And I'm genuinely so grateful to have so many people interested in this silly little au idea

[novel sentinel]

i love it too, that’s why i’ve stayed this long ^-^

if you want help on it, i’d be happy to

i feel like making a discord server for this project would help a lot, just in terms of organisation, even if it was only for developers of the story

[lament ginkgo]

Ooo fun fact actually the concept for the first character Charcoal was actually originally supposed to be a swap au where Leshy was The One Who Waits then i made a "Lamb" for the rest too because why not, and the idea just kinda evolved into this

[novel sentinel]

i get that, don’t worry

[lament ginkgo]

That would be a good idea actually

[novel sentinel]

yuppers

even if it’s bare bones

it’s great for keeping everything important there

[lament ginkgo]

I might do that soonish then

[novel sentinel]

rather then having to sift through all this to get to the basics

[lament ginkgo]

You'd make a good design concept artist and possibly writer

[novel sentinel]

add me if you do, i’d be happy to help

thanks, thanks

[lament ginkgo]

I still can't believe how far this au has gotten

[novel sentinel]

agreed, but i still know it can go further, and i’d be thrilled to help it do that

[lament ginkgo]

It's surreal anytime an idea of mine gets attention on a scale larger than just my close friend group

But yeah I'll probably work on making a discord for this au tomorrow, prob have to leave a server tho since I'm at least close to max

[novel sentinel]

i’ve loved this au for, as i’ve said, over a year and a half now, and i just can’t help but want to see it flourish properly and as it is now, it’s really hard to get into it with how disorganised the lore feels

it’s rather all over the place, and i’d like to help get it all layed out

[lament ginkgo]

Yeah i tend to have a problem of having too many ideas than i can reasonably make a reality on my own or with just a few people

[lament ginkgo]

That sounds great

[novel sentinel]

trust me, it’s noticeable

[lament ginkgo]

It would be nice to get everything laid out properly

[novel sentinel]

even if it feels cohesive to you, the writer, it’s important to flesh everything out on paper (or digital, you get the point) or you’ll lose it all over time

if i were you, i’d put the insanity and isolation crews on the backburner, and focus on fleshing out the erasure bishops and bearers first and foremost. no need to rush into it

[lament ginkgo]

I might also tomorrow at least write basic descriptions of events and stuff on the story doc and then later actually like write out the scenes

[lament ginkgo]

Yeah that's the plan

[novel sentinel]

(i know they have names, but as i’ve said, very hard to keep track of/remember them when there’s no proper documentation besides this one thread)

[lament ginkgo]

Act 3 and 4 are being put on hold until act 1 and 2 get figured out

[novel sentinel]

i also have my own au of this, as i’ve been saying, because i see it’s potential but don’t personally like how wide the scale has gotten here, so i wanted to cut off my own little bite and take the story in the direction i like

[lament ginkgo]

No cuz I agree this thread being the only documentation is rough

[novel sentinel]

so it’ll probably help to take inspo from that too

[lament ginkgo]

The amount of times I've had to search through it to remember a specific thing 😭

[novel sentinel]

exactly, exactly

this is why a discord server, even if simple, would do you wonders

[lament ginkgo]

I can't wait to see what you do with your take :D

[novel sentinel]

many thanks, it’s also been rotting for a while now, so i’m brushing the dust off and starting fresh today XD

[lament ginkgo]

Side note I cannot believe my emoji contributions have survived this long

They're almost as old as fallen faith

[novel sentinel]

an example of how helpful making a discord server can be fir this sorta project, just a few lines and it expresses and documents a lot of basic important information to the viewer

[lament ginkgo]

Y'know what imma do the server now

[novel sentinel]

sick as, doesn’t take much

[lament ginkgo]

At least like making it not setting up channels

[novel sentinel]

yuppers, i can help with that

[novel sentinel]

i had no idea blud made the iconic .. wild

[lament ginkgo]

Gonna draw an icon for it and then make it

[lament ginkgo]

IM SORRY THATS AN ICONIC EMOJI HERE?!

how much is it used?!

[novel sentinel]

HEPLP idk but i use it a lot and i like it a lot

[lament ginkgo]

I thought like maybe 2 people would be using it

[novel sentinel]

i’m not active in general, but trust it’s one of my favs

[lament ginkgo]

But yeh thats my fault

I made that abomination

:3

[novel sentinel]

roblox man face is so based

i gots to work on documenting more on my au now gang, lmk if i can help

[worn bronze]

you see it from time to time, but it really is used more than most other emojis apart from the ones we all know (like , or )

im moderately active in general so i kinda know whats going on in there

[lament ginkgo]

Fun fact: The Saving Sozo and Reuniting Aym and Baal with Forneus questlines ARE canon to The Fallen Faith, it just isnt featured in the main comics, most likely it will be featured in small spin-off comics

Their will also be various other "Saving" quests for fallen faith original side characters however it's unlikely they'll be featured in the main comics as for the most part only the Bishop Quests will be featured

[lament ginkgo]

The Lamb also plays Knucklebones against the 4 Knucklebones players as well as _potential_* new players introduced in the other acts

-# *(not guaranteed that new Knucklebones characters will be made)

[lament ginkgo]

Next post is gonna be headshots for all the act 1 crown bearers with tweaked designs to even further separate them from the Follower forms

[worn bronze]

@lament ginkgo you dont mind if i use one of your crown forms in my pfp, do you?

[lament ginkgo]

Uhhh

No

Why would you go ahead and do it anyways?

[worn bronze]

i can go back to the older pfp anytime if you want

no problem

[lament ginkgo]

Please do 🙏

[worn bronze]

ok

[viral carbon]

Hi
-# 👋 🫥

[gloomy wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-cat-leaving-gif-25660590

Hola, amigos

[viral carbon]

Nice thread

Actually I don't know if this is like a thread or like a folder or idk. But I just want to say you're all doing a great job

Okie bye

[gloomy wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/rudy-kobansky-profitansky-power-respect-respect-bro-gif-15464776

[lament ginkgo]

Oh wow this got seen again, sorry for no updates y'all

My life has been quite busy and my interests/hyperfixations have been elsewhere

[viral carbon]

It's fine! But hi

So uh. I actually saw this from a Reddit post

And I have to say me and my friend, Prince are very inspired by your work

I'm sorry if I rambled on. I'm very shy-

I also just want to say I hope you have a nice day

[gloomy wolf]

Facts

[lament ginkgo]

Sorry, i missed this, I don't have notifications on for this server anymore, but I'm so happy i inspired you guys! On an unfortunate note, Fallen Faith is still gonna be on hiatus for a while and I honestly don't know when I will be returning to the project. I still got stuff going on irl and Cult of the Lamb hasn't been a hyperfixation in a long time so i haven't had the opportunity or motivation to work on it more

[viral carbon]

It's quite alright. It's understandable

No need to worry! ^^

[lament ginkgo]

Glad you understand, luckily I'm not going to outright cancel the project as I still really love it and would be willing to return to it even if it's years from now that I will have the motivation to do so

[viral carbon]

I mean the project is very amazing I will say

It got me and my friends inspired by it

I hope that you're doing well Irl and I hope you have a nice day

[viral carbon]

I'm not even sure if they would consider to be counted as a fallen Faith au character-

But okay I guess

[lament ginkgo]

I am doing well thx for asking, I just haven't had cotl on my mind much especially since I'm preparing for college

[viral carbon]

Alrighty. Well I hope you have a good day. And good luck on college ^^

[frigid rose]

The name of that app?

[novel sentinel]

“paper” :)

that’s not me being a smartass btw it’s literally called paper

[frigid rose]

Ty!

[fierce carbon]

Today’s @viral carbon Birthday!

[frigid rose]

You should make a Tumblr account about this fun, interesting, magnificent AU so that even more people can enjoy it!!👍

[viral carbon]

Me?

[frigid rose]

Ah, I think I phrased it badly.
I mean, I just wish there was a Tumblr account about the AU.
But, I would like to see you in Tumblr, too because your OC is cute!

[viral carbon]

Why thank you well I just finished all six of the characters for each of the crowns

But I'll look into it

[tender solar]

Nice

[fierce carbon]

I’m sorry, six?

[viral carbon]

Well..one is my COTL Mar

The other five are original characters

Yeah. I only did the five original characters and one of them being myself which is basically another Marisa

The rest of the other crowns are given to my friends

Yeah we basically all did this in a group

[fierce carbon]

Damn

I remember you used to have three

like a dragon and a skunk

[viral carbon]

Well I added more

[lament ginkgo]

good idea

if i ever had the uhhh motivation to continue working on this 😅

[frigid rose]

Alright, I want you to take your time!

[lament ginkgo]

Made my server profile pic charcoal finally

[viral carbon]

Nice

By the way it's been awhile since I've been here

[thorn estuary]

awesome

[viral carbon]

I pretty much changed my profile to my COTL self

[stable river]

im here too, diff acc same guy

[viral carbon]

Oh

[royal olive]

Well I do, but I forgot how to make different Tumblr accounts

[lament ginkgo]

I might gain some more motivation now that woolhaven is out, I'd just need to play or watch the new dlc

[lament ginkgo]

Fallen Faith might return soon

For now all development will be focused on the main games story in this AU's continuity and then the second group of Bishops

[viral carbon]

Curious to see where this will go

[royal olive]

I dunno how I'd help much with how little communication happens, but I do atleast know its mostly because of how all over the place Charcoal is sometimes, which I understand is pretty fair

[lament ginkgo]

When I'm ready to work again there's gonna be more communication

[lament ginkgo]

Some of the vessels might get better redesigns if i get the motivation to draw

Also I might rework the wolf boss from Woolhaven into this AU keeping his hatred of the gods he probably stole his crown to gain their power and usurp them tho I'd likely rearrange the species of the gods to reflect this

[viral carbon]

Pretty much this au has given my own take on this au with my own spin so I'm just throwing that out there and I like to say thank you for the inspiration

I mean the way I see it. This au is truly a work of art

[lament ginkgo]

That's wonderful to hear!

[viral carbon]

I would show my characters but I'm still a bit nervous around here

[lament ginkgo]

Got sick so it might be a bit longer before I do anything

[viral carbon]

It's all good

[lament ginkgo]

We are currently redesigning/redrawing the Priests (AKA the Vessels) and the Bishops from Act 1

[lament ginkgo]

Lambert and Charcoal done

[mighty tide]

ok i see where youre going with this

sorry i misjudged

[lament ginkgo]

It's cool

[mighty tide]

ive seen aus where the oc is too op

-# cough glitchtale

[lament ginkgo]

LMFAO no I try to make my OCs actually fit within the universe

[mighty tide]

thats good

[viral carbon]

On my spin of the au. Some of my characters have headcanon voices

[royal olive]

there isn't any technical op, but technically the strongest so far of everyone would be Malice, although even she got usurped by her peers, so we're absolutely tryin to avoid too op characters so dont worry lol

Charcoal would rattle me like im a packet of misbehaving beans if i was making op characters(im usually designing eldritch gods so uhh-)

[lament ginkgo]

[royal olive]

like imma be fr, technically even the old faith and great dispair could theoretically have an even fight, but the great dispair would win more out of collective combat competence, unless its during the time Malice's peers are jealous of her, then old faith wins, i compare the great despair as they are the actual oldest pantheon, as Malice was the only god never usurped, but that's because she was too nice to everyone who tried lmao

[royal olive]

its very hard to usurp someone who is like "Oh! what a lovely sight for my many eyes! come now my dear, we have a freshwater river you can drink from, or we can brew tea! that adventure to these sacred lands must have been so harsh on you, please, make yourself welcome, the land is sanctuary to kin and pilgrim alike, if you need food aswell, i shall provide, my dear guest."

[jade monolith]

👍