💨・speedrunning

[crystal viper]

Here is a channel where you can discuss Cult of the lamb speedrunning! Discuss strategies, tricks, records and awesome runs (hopefully done quick)!

[hoary swallow]

First

[crystal viper]

You are second

Please stop posting random images and emojis

@hoary swallow

[native marsh]

eat poop speedrun any%

[hoary swallow]

real

[terse ruin]

my speedrunning tip is to idk go fast

[grave sable]

SPEEDRUNNING TRICK: Just spam roll in ALL the crusades and you'll be fine! 😎

[nova snow]

my trick dont die XD

[stiff sluice]

are there any skips or tricks to make the game come out faster? trying to lower my time but it seems all i can do is wait 😔

[nova snow]

am can give tip how to know what trader u get on room

floating objects mean : swords mean wepon merchant

am lost my brain am cant remember what other mean xD

[stiff sluice]

my merchant is Steam if that's what you mean

[nova snow]

merchants in game when u in dungeon with cards and weapons

in normal stages

[quasi cedar]

Oh man...I wont be speedrunning this game, I want it to last forever

[terse ruin]

Guys ik how to speed run any game in under a minute

[leaden turret]

Speedrunning is how you make it last forever

[ebon stump]

who can download it faster

[upper gull]

Switch users

We get it a week early installed

[stiff sluice]

rip, platform-specific trick 😔

[terse ruin]

Console can pre download it anytime they after they bought pre order

Or that might just be xbox idk

[long sigil]

I’m pretty sure switch can do that too

[terse ruin]

Only pc can't lol

[stiff sluice]

sometimes steam lets you do that, i remember doing it for KOF XV

maybe it's something the publisher has to set

[long pumice]

@summer nimbus Just I want to tag you xD

[summer nimbus]

please do not tag

[long pumice]

Oh okay, honey sorry.

[long plover]

GGs

[modest stratus]

@crystal viper
mind if i put the discord server in this?

cause we have a pre-established server for this

[spare osprey]

oh?

[elder spoke]

So im 7 hours in everything is automated im printing every rescores in the game, dm me if you need any advise

[spare osprey]

For some reason my splits stop at 1:25 lol I cry

[ebon stump]

anyone already beaten the agme here?

[brisk light]

i know that skoootie on twitch is about to beet it i think

[hollow pendant]

No but my friend did in 7 hours

[ebon stump]

wait so he did beat it

[hollow pendant]

Yes, he beat the 4 bosses today

and the ||2 endings||

[brisk light]

what difficulty?

[hollow pendant]

Normal

As for myself I have 4.3 hours playtime and I beat 2 bosses / 4

I should finish the game tomorrow

but I have the T3 bug...

[brisk light]

i started when it came out and made the gorrible decision to go for very hard .....

im on the third boss

[hollow pendant]

nice, do you also have the T3 bug ?

[brisk light]

nop

[hollow pendant]

The one on which you cannot upgrade

oh ok

[brisk light]

no bugs here

[hollow pendant]

lucky

i'll wait for patch

cause it will be kinda hard to finish the game without T3 unlock I think

[brisk light]

🙂

i can finish the thing in the worship tent thingy using stone but it's the cooldowns

[rugged vector]

I got to the 4th boss but i have the T3 bug and it just screws the game haha. No fun sadly.

[brisk light]

LL

im 1 off ocmpleting crowning

do i win?

[wintry lava]

ANyone finish the game yet?

[brisk light]

idk but i finished crowning

like all route done

[brisk light]

^^

[wintry lava]

Hey, that's something. 🙂

[brisk light]

yh

and apparently im lucky cause very hard and no teir 3 bug 🙂

[ebon stump]

dont press b in game guys 🗿

[brisk light]

why???

[ebon stump]

youll see

[brisk light]

no i dont want to

[ebon stump]

bahhhh

[brisk light]

so cute ❤️

[modest stratus]

since no response

ima post, if i'm told to take out down, i will

[leaden turret]

I have been jugging through on extra hard but not trying to rush, just see what it has to offer at that mode. Its not really enjoyable with the claw or dagger. I did find a weapon damage cheese with the gilded cloak

[leaden turret]

You can get OOB if anyone is wondering in some area's not that its useful atm

[brisk light]

done

i beet it

🙂

very hard

final time

12 hours 43 minutes

🙂

[dusk leaf]

jesus

christ

[terse swallow]

i dont plan on speedrunning but the first bosses I kill in the vid might be one way to speedrun them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka97uW-0v30&ab_channel=BallJohn

[brisk light]

@sweet crown if we were to speedrun dark forrest when should we start the timer?

[dusk leaf]

the moment you have control of your character probably?

[brisk light]

yh i beet the game

on very hard

[dusk leaf]

you beet the game? maybe next time you can cauliflower it

[brisk light]

huh?

[dusk leaf]

beet.... like beetroot.

[brisk light]

what?

[charred vault]

lol

woosh

[dusk leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/spelling-mistake-minor-spelling-mistake-meme-gif-23650588

[brisk light]

it 8:47 am and started playing at 17:00 so my brain aint working

back to original question when would one start a timer?

to do dark forrest

[dusk leaf]

you

're like the first speedrunner, you can just decide

[old plover]

I did in 5 hours

[dusk leaf]

proof

[old plover]

I didn’t record or anything but I started the second the game came out it was like 18:00 Swedish time and I completed 02:00

[dusk leaf]

you can just screenshot your file

[old plover]

Well I have been playing for a few hours since I completed

[dusk leaf]

damn2 hours

[old plover]

I speedran

I got no sleep but it was worth it

2 hours is good right?

[dusk leaf]

i dont know. nobodys ever speedran this game before

[old plover]

Oh

[dusk leaf]

but probably

[modest stratus]

100%

[dusk leaf]

beating a 20~ hour game in 2 hours is great. could be better or worse depending on RNG

[old plover]

I complete games that takes days and that in hours

[brisk light]

you should play The Longing

[old plover]

What is that?

[brisk light]

a game that take 360 days to complete

400

[old plover]

As long as it is on PlayStation I can try

[dusk leaf]

you could try the LoZ Twilight Princess "Slowrun"

[old plover]

Did anyone kill the one who waits I spared him

[brisk light]

i killed him

it just rolled credits

[old plover]

Nice

[cerulean talon]

oh wow 2 hours. I would watch the whole run

gg man

[lyric ermine]

@copper trout I want a category called bleatrunning where it's basic Any % BUT every 3 seconds you have to bleat and if you don't the run immediately ends and you lose

[modest stratus]

maybe for a CE if the game gets enough runs

yes

i am a mod too

i as well exist and have a word in speedrunning moderation

don't forget about me

[modest stratus]

plus how would we time that?

like, seriously

if you beep at 3.01 run gets rejected?

[lyric ermine]

Lol I was just joking around

[modest stratus]

well i am not

WE MUST BEHHH

lmao

[old plover]

I would show it if only I recorded it

[modest stratus]

Cant wait for kids to say "I got wr but didnt record it"

[high oxide]

i got a 0.0001ms world record, but i didnt record it sorry....

[crystal viper]

Going to post a statement regarding a potential speedrunning server:
As of right now we will not be hosting invites to other servers here. We may consider doing so in the future, but considering this is still the early days of the game we do not want to fragment the community. We will try to offer support to the speedrunning community in the main server for the time being.

[pale cipher]

How do you bleat? I'm on pc mk+b

[lyric ermine]

Maybe it's in the keybinds options menu? Not sure for MKB. I'm using a controller (it's R3)

[brisk light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27UgXvDQ3Hs

[modest stratus]

ty modkiq

[modest stratus]

b

[amber trench]

No Damage Run, 15 minutes? Your thoughts.

[woeful lintel]

My thought is go touch grass and stop making me look worse at this game than I already am

[modest stratus]

L

sounds like a you problem tbh

[leaden badge]

smb know how to get the godlike and the devil deal achivment ??

[woeful lintel]

I mean.. That's why I said "than I already am"

[modest stratus]

Sounds like a me problem

[silent mountain]

did anyone beat the end boss ?

[dusk leaf]

lots of people

[quiet rover]

I support that

[warped schooner]

are there any "very hard" speedruns submitted yet?

[tawdry widget]

How can you speedrun a game about farming?

Well not about but with a big element of busywork

[junior shore]

is the godhood achievement bugged

[gentle wren]

the full flock one is since the snail follower requires u to hunt down snails that cease to exist after you kill the final boss

[spring lagoon]

run down the bosses prob.

[jovial viper]

id assume its killing the final boss as fast as possible

[leaden turret]

Well there is some strat/tech involved in getting and retaining 20 followers for the final boss. IE progressing them up to the correct count per door

Minimum effort to retain them and progress

Real talk though on Extra hard, I struggling more with Heket/Kall then any of the other bosses. Perhaps thats just extra hard since you have zero heats and their health is padded

[wet lily]

idk i cant get it either

[wraith hemlock]

by not farming

[leaden turret]

I mean you need to retain up to 20 followers for the end, but yes outside of that ya dont farm

[wraith hemlock]

i mean take em dont indoctrinate them till u need em

cuz if u dont indoctrinate them they dont use ur recources

u can get enough followers by that time anyway

[leaden turret]

Sure sure, thats logical. I only played extra hard so I was not able to steam roll the area's so I can see how that would be viable

[wraith hemlock]

lol yea same

[leaden turret]

Am disappointed in the inflated health bars and lack of health over "mechanics" but it is what it is

[wraith hemlock]

on lower difficulties cult members use less recourses aswell

i mean tru but a good difficulty system is one that takes months to years so make just for a harder difficulty

in this artstyle atleast

[leaden turret]

Perhaps it was extra hard but ya 2nd and 3rd bosses had been by far the hardest for me, meanwhile I 1 shot 1/4/5

Playing on PS5 there are so input issues also by roll/weapon swing canceling that cause ghost inputs

Roll in the wrong direction, attack in wrong direction

[true ridge]

if you want to raise the difficulty beyond extra hard play m&k 🙂

[jovial viper]

whats m&k

[timid goblet]

mouse and keyboard

[jovial viper]

fair enough that would be harder

[terse ruin]

Is mouse and keyboard hard then? Beat the game with it

[jovial viper]

It’s harder than controller but I’m sure if you get used to it it’s not that bad

[modest stratus]

Yeah m&kb is annoying

[terse ruin]

I use mouse and keyboard and it’s super easy.
Though I don’t use the mouse at all. You don’t need it for anything other than dropping bodies which requires a mouse click for some reason.

[jovial viper]

The game is more keyboard and occasionally mouse

[shell delta]

imo kb&m is easier

[leaden turret]

I played Binding full controller but that had a use for mouse at least.

[calm peak]

my first try and it went ok

[velvet river]

wait whats that fifth crown? after the fourth crown?

[fallow wagon]

There's 4 heretics and then something else

[leaden turret]

Did the snails get a patch yet?

[vale tundra]

fr cant 100%

[calm peak]

easy mode is a bit faster

[leaden turret]

Apparently they just dont drop at all? Not that they dont even show post TOWW kill. I just did a new save and killed like 50 snails

[spiral bobcat]

no they dont its a bug

they have to patch

[leaden turret]

Is that eta’d for the next patch or whats the status?

[dawn mason]

Devs said it was fixed for pc patch will be out soon (consoles probably need to wait due to certifying patches etc)

[sleek cedar]

ah, being at the start of a speedrun scene is good feeling

[terse ruin]

just finished game in ultra hard :

[sleek cedar]

so i see

[spare osprey]

Thats a lot

[sullen mantle]

What

[white urchin]

wow they actually made this into a channel

thanks mods

[echo spruce]

I’m so close to maxing everything out on extra hard just looking for a few extra steam achievements

[modest stratus]

DEMO'S BACK

KINDA

CAN'T WAIT FOR DEMO SPEEDRUNNING

[grim rain]

just 3 shot a boss with curses

cant wait to see how curse management works in this game

[tropic valve]

Any way to skip tutorial section?

Or is it forced

[calm peak]

got a 1:37 on easy mode let's gooo

[spare osprey]

Prerelease Demo% this was before I knew how to get rid of the text animations https://youtu.be/mrBgic10BAA

[sleek cedar]

@copper trout (dont crucify me for the @) i see you put the game on speedrun.com, how could one go about becoming a moderator

[calm peak]

did a second easy mode speedrun https://youtu.be/2N8vhLQKqN0

[modest stratus]

well, you would need to know how to retime, (we can train ya for that!), but first off we'd need mods. we'll see what happens during the next few weeks for speedrunning, but if we need more we'll find moe

[low bough]

Didn't see anything in the pins, have there been any standards/rules setup for speedrunning the bosses yet?

[calm peak]

Not yet they're currently working on getting the game on speedrun.com

[sleek cedar]

not that i can think of

[pliant sparrow]

Categories have not been set up yet.

Additionally, the boards will be embargo'd for a week while people are still finishing the base game.

[sleek cedar]

gladly be ready for training if i need, i want this to be the first community i get really involved with

yep

[modest stratus]

we have a server currently where every dingle speedrunner is active, shit is happening there, but we're slowly trying to transition to the actual server

[pliant sparrow]

Most likely board mod apps will be put up if the need comes around, but again we will defer to Cin for information and how to proceed.

[sleek cedar]

S teir roguelite deserves its praise

aight

[sleek cedar]

thought so

[modest stratus]

lets hope the mod team will be in union and we'll have the same idea on how to manage the game

we already have a base time on when to count for loads and how to retime runs

but uhh

start and ending need to be altered

i plan on editing the board alongside @pseudo stratus once we get added as mods (by editing i mean decorating)

i want it to be decorative and cool like the demo board

https://www.speedrun.com/cotl_demo

[sleek cedar]

yeah i saw that earlier

[pliant sparrow]

It will be lol , Cin just got it up and was taking a break from the server and moderation for the 2nd half of the day, so it can be assumed that he'll get the theme up tm.

[calm peak]

What's the server with active speedruners?

[modest stratus]

kk, hopefully we can get the boards and timing sorted before hand, i have a vauge idea of how to handle categorys for the full game

[modest stratus]

i can dm it to you if you'd like, you can also check the demo board and click on the discord icon to get a invite

[calm peak]

I'll check the demo boards thx

[modest stratus]

here's my main idea for runs:
Any%

All bosses, (defeating TOWW)
- Easy
- Medium
- Hard
- Extra Hard
Any%
- Easy
- Medium
- Hard
- Extra Hard
NMG
- Easy
- Medium
- Hard
- Extra Hard

100%

Any%
- Easy
- Medium
- Hard
- Extra Hard
NMG
- Easy
- Medium
- Hard
- Extra Hard

here's how, from the demo, categorys might look

also yes, cult of the follower (or whatever the addon's called) is definitly banned

[sleek cedar]

wat NMG

[modest stratus]

no major glitches

[jovial viper]

also wdym 100%

is that geting all achievements

or

just certain achievements

[severe isle]

100% I would imagine would cover all bosses, All mantles, and all followers right?

[terse ruin]

There should be a Speedrun for fastest time to feed your follower a food made of poop

[modest stratus]

all bosses, All mantles, and all followers, all quests

just everything there is to unlock

[narrow snow]

Whats the difference between any% and all bosses.

[terse ruin]

i suppose if people somehow find a way to skip bosses

but atm dont think anything is in place

as it stands imo any% vs all bosses would be redundant atm and think you dont need all bosses unless there is ways to skip 1 of them

[copper trout]

I'll be working something up today for applicants

I'm just waking up, getting my kid to day care and taking care of my birds. After that I'll make a survey and pin it for src mods.

[modest stratus]

All bosses would be extra bosses + TOWW

[terse ruin]

i see, bit confusing since you say "defeating TOWW" which is the any% final boss anyways.. unless theres other ways to finish the game without

but all bosses including other bosses makes sense, but what ones particularly

would it be like, main bishops, toww, the witness bosses and that 1 secret mini boss?

[copper trout]

Hey all - what do we think of having Linux as a selectable OS to run on? It would include native Linux Builds and SteamOS ( Steam Deck )

[livid basin]

Well, you can get the end screen without the fight. Just say that you sacrifice yourself and the end credits start to roll.

I have been thinking if needing to defeat TOWW will be any% or its own category

[terse ruin]

feels redundant for beating TOWW own catagory imo

if something like all bosses exists

[livid basin]

It just depends which way category is defined, if self sac is ok or not

I'd say slay TOWW is the way to go

[hearty vapor]

i think you shouldn't make up rules just because you feel like it

otherwise we're gonna end up with 16 slightly different categories

just do one all bosses where u have to defeat everything and one any% where u just wanna see the credits asap

and not 5 different versions of any%, u know what i mean?

[barren summit]

Yo, two of us just came here from the dedicated Speedrun discord.

[lean sandal]

personally there shoudl be 3 categories - any% (get to credits) - all bosses (kill all bosses - includes witness) - 100% (get whole shrine, follower forms etc etc)

[barren summit]

We need to have six boards

Those three split between easy and extra hard

Those are the only two difficulties people will care about, and the strats are going to be different enough to keep them separate

[hearty vapor]

imo the way it's on the demo board is fine

if i wanna run normal i should be able to run normal

[lean sandal]

i think that we can do all 4 difficulties

just that normal and hard just wont be as intresting or popular

thats all

but it should be there

time to go play and get somethign submitted on the leaderboard

xD

[livid basin]

Getting that Hard difficulty WR that no-one cares about 😎

[lean sandal]

XDDD

[barren summit]

I'm going to be working on routing extra hard.

[livid basin]

I kind of got a route for easy,
Stream line beds and fasting + grass eating, nothing else kind of matters

[lean sandal]

i still feel like the way i routed it is close to perfect for EH, but for easy it could be crazy

[lean sandal]

you feed your followers?

wat

you give them beds???

[livid basin]

Is there a strat that I can avoid that?

[lean sandal]

what

wanna coem vc?

while i do a run

[livid basin]

Sure

[lean sandal]

G2

[calm peak]

just did an all bosses run Witnesses + Chef + everyone else

went pretty bad

[austere perch]

Are there any major glitches that are useful

I’m doing any%

[copper trout]

https://www.speedrun.com/cult_of_the_lamb

[supple merlin]

Can’t wait to see some runs come out

[supple merlin]

Was that just made?

[copper trout]

I just finished getting some categories outlined 😄

[supple merlin]

Oh nice

I really want to speedrun a sacrifice

[copper trout]

I just made a thread for new categories or category extensions if you whana recommend it

[tropic valve]

There’s a lot of stuff to still decide

For example, when does timing start/end? Do we include load times?

[supple merlin]

In most games it end when you lose control of your character

[tropic valve]

You don’t lose control of your character though technically.
You keep playing after credits

[supple merlin]

Ah

[tropic valve]

So probably when credits start, like MC.

[supple merlin]

So maybe final hit

Yeah credits work

[tropic valve]

What are all the ways to get the cape fragments?

Fisherman gives 4(3 cause lobster is impossible), spores gives 2, witness eyes gives 4.

Is snail supposed to give some?

[hearty vapor]

i got a lobster on the very first attempt, on the catch first fish quest lol

[tropic valve]

I’ve never gotten a lobster in my main run

[supple merlin]

Yeah same

[tropic valve]

Did like 60 fish.

[supple merlin]

Weird

[tropic valve]

I’ve gotten like 8 octopus, one crab, no lobsters, and no squids past day 1.

[copper trout]

you can view category rules right now

[jovial viper]

if its credits rolling does that mean we can sacrifice ourselves to TOWW

[hearty vapor]

yes

[copper trout]

this is how it is currently worded, yes

[tropic valve]

Imagine if you could just say no to getting the crown in the start and credits rolled

Easy speed run

[supple merlin]

I don’t wait a far cry 4 again

[copper trout]

any% is as long as you start the game with new file and can reach the credits, you have a submission

[jovial viper]

im about to do an any% run should i fight TOWW

[tropic valve]

We should have separate subcategories for each difficulty.

[jovial viper]

we do

[copper trout]

way ahead of you

[tropic valve]

No, not for speed

[jovial viper]

okey dokey time to do a run

see you in an hour

[copper trout]

any% and 100% are the two main categories with sub categories for each difficulty

[tropic valve]

You can’t see subcategories on mobile, so I couldn’t know

[copper trout]

NMG will be introduced if large sections of the game can be skipped

[supple merlin]

Oh your right weird

[hearty vapor]

but runs aren't accepted for a week no?

[copper trout]

correct

now we're jsut waiting for devs to fix any game breaking bugs

if we need to extend the embargo to give them time, I will

also - SRC Mod application form is in the SRC forums

[livid basin]

Not necessary

[livid basin]

How about the all bosses one? Main bosses + Watchers?
I looked up the Chef and it didn't have boss hp bar, so I think it isn't a boss

[copper trout]

bosses have to be to count

defeatable

but all bosses is mostly all main bosses + watcher + TOWW

[barren summit]

Oh you guys are done for now

Alright

[narrow snow]

You guys have a separate discord dedicated to speedruns? Can i get a link.

[copper trout]

right now we're keeping speedruns here on the main server

at least until my fellow mods say otherwise xD

[supple merlin]

This is going to be fun because I have not speedrun any game before so it’s nice to be able to start somewhere

[barren summit]

Once things really get going, I expect the main action to be on the dedicated server. It will be easier to organize things there.

[copper trout]

how so?

[narrow snow]

The start of speedrunning l is always interesting to see what crops up.

[barren summit]

More channels for discussion means lower likelihood of important discussions getting buried beneath each other; greater access to pinning allowing people to make google docs, sheets, slides for organization.

[barren summit]

I meant to reply to this.

[copper trout]

I can make channels and we'll have SRC mods here to pin things

[narrow snow]

And while everyone else focuses on main game i keep focusing of divination grinding. I need to look into the details of resurrection. Resurrection vs funeral is the only doctrine im not sure about most are obviously one way or dont seem to matter.

Actually Murder or ascend is another debate point.

[supple merlin]

What do you mean

[calm peak]

Got a 1:36 on easy any% wooooo

[supple merlin]

Nice

[narrow snow]

Ascend increases loyalty of followers which mean they give more devotion. But if we can murder soon as someone becomes an elder and stops giving devotion we can kill them and do what ever we want with the body

Its a similar debate for resurrection vs funeral. After the funeral the grave will keep producing devotion while resurrection can bring back a high leveled follower.

[supple merlin]

I don’t see how this is a point for speedrunning

[narrow snow]

Sorry ive been more interested in speedrunning to get all the divine inspirations more then seeing credits. I like that planning aspects of doing speedruns more then the high level execution

[tropic valve]

Ascend will be better because loyalty bonus

[barren summit]

I've submitted a run verifier application form.

[hearty vapor]

if you ascend every elder you won't need a funeral because there won't be bodies

so i'd say definitely ascension + resurrection

or can u only resurrect buried bodies?

[narrow snow]

Dont know. Ive only done one file and chose funeral.

Grave sites generally devotion after funerals and for a long grindy run like this it could really add up and snowball across the run.

[barren summit]

Because of the "all shrine nodes" requirement of 100%, it will be incredibly different from any%. I doubt I'll ever play 100%, except as a channel points reward.

[narrow snow]

Yeah i dont expect to do it either. Theres going to be a lot of grinding runs just for blueprints and follower forms.

[hearty vapor]

what is a shrine node?

[barren summit]

I'm really only interested in any% extra hard.

Ignoring the cult to get to the end as quickly as possible is funny.

Also, saves on a fair amount of frustration.

[wintry fog]

I was able to resurrect any kind of body or spirit I should say. Ascended, Sacrificed, in the grave, ones that I've composted down for fertiliser, and ones that died in the dungeons while being mind-controlled all come back. Not sure if the difficulty has any effect on that though.

Had used it to have a few lv20+ demons to help out with the crowd, though that I suspect is not necessary in a speedrun.

Well, after 500% you usually one-shot everything 😄

[narrow snow]

Could you keep resurrecting the same follower over and over?

[wintry fog]

If you kill them before the resurrection yes.

[tropic valve]

I’ve gotten a quest to revive a living follower

[wintry fog]

I've had a few times the unfortunate quest to sacrifice a few of my high levelled ones, so I've fed them to the one bellow and immediately resurrected.

[tropic valve]

Just decline the quest and do a flame ritual

[wintry fog]

I got quite a lot of money out of it. Lv15+ is like 500 gold, so I essentially convert bones to gold or in earlier phases power xp.

The tribute chest never gives that good of a price 😄

[tropic valve]

Real gamers sacrificed TOWW

For fun

Also follower meat is consistently like 10 in chest

[sleek cedar]

alr yall, i miss anything?

[barren summit]

@Cinaeth#9642 I hope I'm not being a pest by asking, but I was wondering when I might hear back about whether my run verifier application will be approved or rejected.

[sudden nacelle]

What consists of 100% runs? My initial thought is the following: all follower forms, all decorations, all devotion upgrades, and all sermon upgrades(unless I am missing anything)

Oh all crown and fleeces

[barren summit]

100% is all follower forms, all blueprints, all hearts, all fleeces, all declarations, all fish, and all shrine nodes.

Iirc

[hearty vapor]

hm, if you don't have 30 gold to build a shrine at the beginning then your game actually is stuck and you have to delete the save lol

[sudden nacelle]

Would Non-Follower Side Quests be part of Shrine Nodes? Or just something else entirely?

What about Knucklebones as a misc category

Beat all players

[narrow snow]

You need to get to the last area to get all players. So most of the run would be the main game with then only a bit of heavy rng at the end.

And shrine nodes is the divine inspiration upgrade tree that unlocks different buildings for the cult.

[copper trout]

give me a week 😄 I have real life stuff too so I'll go through them when I can

[dull horizon]

from experience dont expect a response until boards open up next week

theres no reason to have verifiers/mods if the boards arent even accepting runs yet

[barren summit]

Yeah, of course. I was just wondering if there was an ETA.

[dull horizon]

probably before boards open

so in like 5-7 days or about

[sudden nacelle]

Cool, I just applied for mod and submitted a category suggestion

Can't wait to speedrun this in a few weeks

Work sucks

[dull horizon]

im working on my route and imma start doing runs tonight i think

[narrow snow]

Im still on my first playthrough.

[sudden nacelle]

Same, I just got the 20 followers needed to get to TOWW

[modest stratus]

it might be like this right now

[hearty vapor]

man, i'm trying to do runs but literally every single run I get soft locked at some point and i have to delete my save file XD

https://clips.twitch.tv/ExquisiteDrabUdonStoneLightning-Cj9Q-1_7_cTZZVHR like what is this XD

[thick umbra]

@hearty vapor try waiting for the "Cult name here" to pop up before running into flock

im having loading issues as well

[sudden nacelle]

Most of my softlocks have been in Silk Cradle where 2 specific enemies(the caterpillar and the spider goes into the air) either dissappear or don't load all the way and can't die

[thick umbra]

hmm not sure i have only. had softlocks with menues and none loading or in runs

in cursades

[sudden nacelle]

Haven't had loading issues, just enemy battles in Silk Cradle

[narrow snow]

Oh…guess i should build more beds….

[thick umbra]

@narrow snow money = followers once you get the shop where you can buy followers

[hearty vapor]

i exited the base like this, somehow got control of my character in the cutscene by talking to that guy before it, and just went with it, but i guess i exited before the end of the cutscene got triggered so as soon as i'm back in the base i'm just stuck in the cutscene
https://clips.twitch.tv/LaconicFurryMonkeyHotPokket-YyRHF-obXvCywNv3

[narrow snow]

I haven’t had any softlocks. But i have seen a number of really long load times. Like the lamb just standing for a full second before giving a sermon.

[narrow snow]

Im not worried about getting to 20 I haven’t started silk cradle yet. But I literally only have like 16 beds.

[thick umbra]

where use pressing inputs here? cuz if so you could move during cutscenes

[hearty vapor]

in the soft lock i did not press anything at all

lamb just moved down as soon as i loaded in

[thick umbra]

odd

[hearty vapor]

was waiting in case some Ratau dialogue popped up but nothing happened

[thick umbra]

was it right at the start with a ratau cutscene cuz that could be why

and the camera just dident move

id wonder if the cutscene was happening but the camera fucked up

[sudden nacelle]

Has anyone messed with the "no tutorial" option?

[hearty vapor]

i'm pretty sure all it does is disable the help pop-ups

the ones which you can see in the help section of the menu

[sudden nacelle]

Dang, I thought it would get rid of the actual tutorial sections with Ratau

[dull horizon]

its still faster to have it disabled

because itll remove the pop up in game

[narrow snow]

Does anyone know if followers will still give devotion during Holy Day of Rest? I dont think they do but i’ll have to check tonight if i get chance

[dull horizon]

they dont

i dont see a reason to ever use holy day in speedruns tho

actually i think passive devotion will still generate

i.e. max shelter devotion

[narrow snow]

Well if they could still give devotion it would force them off other work and into worshiping.

[dull horizon]

but i dont think they pray so shrine and the small shrines (i forget their name) dont

i mean i dont even see a reason to get devotion really

i dont think theres anything important enough you'd gain

[narrow snow]

It matters more for 100% and devotion% if that becomes a thing. Which i’ll run it even if it doesn’t, lol.

[dull horizon]

yeah it matters for 100%

im focusing on any% personally

also based running things even if they dont get leaderboards

[narrow snow]

I think most people are on any%. I know some are talking about a all bosses run with the witnesses and TOWW.

What everway you slice it im less interested in the more skill driven run and more statically planning my moves. So trying to just max out the cult and devotion generation is more interesting to me.

[dull horizon]

i like the town building more than the dungeon crawling

but any% is easier to route

[narrow snow]

See routing is what i enjoy the most about running.

[thick umbra]

Well I think the most strategic and longest run will be 100%

As it’s gonna take lots of routing and figuring out machanics and drop rates of stuff

[narrow snow]

100% will definitely be the longest but i think its going to be a lot of grinding for blueprints.

[thick umbra]

Well I don’t think so I got most of mine quick quick on runs

Tho getting the better chest taro card will help a lot

[narrow snow]

Which honestly might make grinding devotion less tedious since it will naturally build as you get blueprints

[thick umbra]

Mhm

12 blueprints are auto done due to being able to buy them at the locations tho tier 2 refinery will be needed for sure as last location blueprints cost gold bars

[narrow snow]

Which could make a devotion% the most time intense one. That would be interesting.

[thick umbra]

Mhm

Also this game is so ring based tho

Rng *

I’m tempted to start making spread sheets for taro cards and blueprints

[dull horizon]

thats just how roguelikes are

also i dont think 100% will be nearly as long as it might seem

i already have a basic route for my first run of any%

only question is when do you unlock grass meals?

[tired ruin]

Dont you get them from a follower quest?

[dull horizon]

thats what i think

but i dont remember

[narrow snow]

Its definitely from a follower. They comment on it being better then nothing

[thick umbra]

I do remember some being from followers I think not sure tho

Once I get this spreadsheet going I’ll do another play though and mark down where I got each blueprint and taro card from

[narrow snow]

I might try stating a segmented run with these devotion ideas i have.

[civic quiver]

@thick umbra If you're gonna start a spreadsheet would you wanna be included in a shared sheet?
Currently shovel has done some route crafting on it and I'm finding damage values. I figured it would be nice to have one source until the wiki gets more info.

[thick umbra]

yes plz

i was thinking of working on it tonight so id be gl ad to join it

[civic quiver]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14y1kupmXuARajH3soD5__G1p_2Jm87FI47few_tnTcc/edit?usp=sharing Put your discord in the comment so I know.

[thick umbra]

sent

[civic quiver]

👍

[thick umbra]

thx

[vapid flax]

in any% do you have to fight the one who waits or do you just sacrifice yourself to him at the end of the game

[barren summit]

Get sacked

It's faster

[vapid flax]

Thank you

[stray lichen]

Is there an estimated run time for any% yet?

[lean sandal]

my 2 runs i did i got a sub 2 hours, a predicted 1:45 and i nearly did a 1:30 run today but died on shuma so anything around that ball park

i saw a video with a 1;36

so those are the current run times that are on the high end

[blazing bone]

Hello all! I did not realize there was already a space here for speed running cotl until I went to speedrun.com and found my way back here. Still playing the game casually but def wanna speed run this, or start fairly soon. Anyway looking forward to getting a run done or seeing others!

[calm peak]

my newest all bosses speedrun could have gone better https://youtu.be/iXkl0chUp_4

[calm peak]

what strategy did you use for the almost 1:30 run

[lean sandal]

currently at night getting 2 fish and the dark dudes and not going for the sermon untill later when uhave more followers

so u can do less sermons in total

to get the curse instead of teh bane weapon

and a level up

on wepaons

[calm peak]

did you record any of your runs

[lean sandal]

just timing it perfectly to get it all done during the night

[lean sandal]

i do but i delete them after i fuck up

and go again

[calm peak]

lol

[lean sandal]

i try get 2 runs done in a day

might do some practice tommorow

and then do a run

[hearty vapor]

just got a 1:42 any% run, fucked up and accidently went into anchordeep once instead of silk cradle, and even died there, so lost 10 minutes for nothing, but outside of that it's pretty nice
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1563035093

sub 1:30 is gonna be a fun goal

[lean sandal]

i think the biggest goal is sub 1:20

sub 1:30 is very doable

[hearty vapor]

yea but i suck so

[lean sandal]

ye i do aswell xD

[hearty vapor]

also if you spam dodge roll (b on controller) during loading when you switch between areas (fishing area etc.) your game will softlock in the loading screen

at least for me

[lean sandal]

oh damn

hasnt happened to me

[hearty vapor]

happened on 49:40 for me and often before but now i figured out it's me mashing my controller and not random lol

[stray lichen]

I'm going to submit a 3 hour time and the middle hour and a half of it will be Knucklebones gameplay

[hearty vapor]

ur the reason i don't wanna become a speedrun.com mod

[stray lichen]

I'd never do such a thing. Although ratau better watch himself because I stg one word and I'll get sidetracked

[lean sandal]

HAHAHAHHAHA

[lean sandal]

knucklebone% when?

[stray lichen]

Fr. I will give my firstborn to hold that wr. But my knucklebones rng consists of number 1-3 and nothing more.

[lean sandal]

just explain EVERY SINGLE MOVE

like "i play this 2 here,as its ok if its broken, but its not a big deal, as i fill his space there"

XD

[hearty vapor]

my knucklebones rng consists of me and ratau both rolling the same number 17 times in a row, resulting in an empty board after 10 minutes of gameplay

[lean sandal]

HAHHAHHA

as a mod i would watch

[vapid flax]

Has anyone claimed a time yet?

[barren summit]

I'm going to do some practice runs in easy, then do some practice runs in extra hard. I'll go live with my first proper EH any% run tomorrow or Wednesday evening, on Twitch.

I wish we all didn't keep getting dragged back, but I have faith that the rest of this week will be fruitful, with a great number of strong runs coming forth.

Also, mods, we need a stream promotion channel for speedrunners, please.

[narrow snow]

Theres #🔌・self-promotion

My game keeps crashing. So i have no idea when ill be doing a run.

[calm peak]

1:26 any% Let's goooooo

[sudden nacelle]

Weird question: How many times can I suggest a run category in the the suggestion thread on the forums?

Or is it just the one time?

[modest stratus]

unlimited

[modest stratus]

AAA

DON'T SPAM

JESUS

try to condense it into 1 message

[sudden nacelle]

Nah, I just had another run idea, wasn't gonna spam

[modest stratus]

but add more if you can

[modest stratus]

kk

[sudden nacelle]

I was also trying to be funny

My phone is full of memes

[modest stratus]

lmao

[sudden nacelle]

Also, I just edited my original post

No spam needed

[vague ingot]

If your going to be streaming runs can you post the stream channel in here or dm me the link so I can watch?

[dull horizon]

god i hate anchordeep

it has killed every single one of my runs lmao

[calm peak]

here is my 1:26 Any% https://youtu.be/kuCW_D9hYfc

[sudden nacelle]

Cool, I finally finished the game casually, named TOWW to Bob, and then got soft locked in an inspire animation, but was able to move around

I actually spent a good while trying to get in other load areas, but to no avail

[dull horizon]

i think i have a few changes to make to my route

ill do it tomorrow lmao

[calm peak]

thx for the route got a new pb

[dull horizon]

yeah i like the route way better

mushrooms were killing runs

now i just need runs to not die from me being bad lmao

[calm peak]

lmao

[dull horizon]

frankly i need to stop playing as risky as i do because i end up getting hit and losing a shit load of time

lmao

also i wanna say that i think timing should end upon hitting yes in response to "are you sure" for any%

doesnt make much sense for it to be first frame of credits from a timing perspective because it just requires verifier to manually retime it basically every time

[supple merlin]

I feel that I be at like 400% damage right before boss get hit and lose all of it

[dull horizon]

plus i imagine making an autosplitter split when you select yes will be much easier

anyways ill do more any% attempts later with the new route

ggs on reccy

oh also i think for the sermon you should be going with bane weapon instead of the more curses

because the curses it unlocks are all kinda ass

imo

that or i have shit luck and its random

[hearty vapor]

y'all are doing sermons? i'm literally not entering my cult after tutorials except for accepting new followers to open the doors lol

and to unlock the fleece tho

[calm peak]

true

[calm peak]

weapons upgrade is quite useful

but might try a run without it

[hearty vapor]

also i saw in your run that you shared, you can just give the fish to the fox in the spore grotto too, if you are there to give the mushrooms anyway

[dull horizon]

weapon upgrade is worth in anura imo

its like a 15s investment for basically instakill on everything

and you dont have fleece yet so

also helps if u lose stacks

[calm peak]

yea was unsure how that worked at the time and I already had a good run and didn't wanna mess it up

[dull horizon]

also ill mention it now but its worth to just do all the talisman pieces in one go

reduces travel time

instead of doing pilgrim's passage then waiting and doing the darkness in spore grotto

oh also

whats the reward for knucklebone with ratau

im curious

[calm peak]

let me check

[dull horizon]

i dont believe its a talisman

but if it is then 😈😈😈

[calm peak]

the hearts 2 tarot card

so nope

[dull horizon]

👿

last thing before i sleep

was there a reason you skipped basically every tarot card, even when they were on main path?

do you think theyre just not worth

[restive sparrow]

With the golden fleece, I don't think it's worth mainly because animation time

[hearty vapor]

there are like 2 tarot cards that actually make you faster so it's not really worth to take them

[calm peak]

yea it's usually a heart up or some weird gimmick only dmg and atk spd and spd is worth it imo

[hearty vapor]

if you are in the room already then yea sure but if u don't have to enter the room then just skip it

[dull horizon]

i mean before golden fleece

i know after its not worth unless its before shamura

because fuck shamura

[dull horizon]

i know i already do

i asked specifically for when it was in the way pre-fleece

because i dont think hjarl picked them up from chests or good room layouts

[calm peak]

the chances of getting a useful one is not worth all the animations but i could be wrong

[mossy spindle]

so has the speedrunning community (as much as it is probably not congregated into just this channel) around this game agreed on separate boards for golden fleece/no gfleece?

[dull horizon]

no

[calm peak]

don't think so

[dull horizon]

i think we could have a misc board category for it

red fleece only

but i personally really enjoy golden fleece so i havent thought about it

[mossy spindle]

"agreed" is probably a weird word so much as "are non-gfleece something labeled as a subcategory"

[dull horizon]

the boards arent even done yet so

[mossy spindle]

I love gfleece too but I'm mostly just enjoying it "before they nerf it" because 1000% against bosses is too much

or 500%, or 400% or whatever

[dull horizon]

if they nerf we just downpatch lol lmao lol

[calm peak]

not yet suggest it on the speedrun.com board

[mossy spindle]

its really easy to build up 200%

well, true/fair but its still sort of stupid

[dull horizon]

its busted and cool

one of the very few things that make this games speedrun sick as hell

imo

[hearty vapor]

we'll have to wait what they change in the coming days, would be stupid to make a no gfleece category when it's heavily nerfed in 2 days

[calm peak]

true

[dull horizon]

idk i dont think theyd nerf it

its a singleplayer game who tf cares if its broken

shrug

this games balance is already kinda all over the place

tfw final boss is easier than the boss before it

[mossy spindle]

I'd be pissed if 90% of the game got nullified from a single item/became known for just that item/"this is meta, literally nothing else is worth picking"

(I get "powertripping over having a really fun time/being "overpowered" or w/e but I still feel like they intended for other fleeces to have a use instead of what I presume to be roughly... 80% of players taking gfleece as first? they still need to balance stuff out and yes I will die on this hell that balance DOES have place in a game just so you don't auto-pick the same thing as everyone else every time, even if its your first time playing the game)

[dull horizon]

nah i think the fleeces were meant to be for challenge runs

[mossy spindle]

also I don't even bring up the "final boss ez" because I'm p sure it was a last minute thrown together boss and I pray they change it at some point

[dull horizon]

youre penalized with golden fleece too frankly

just the benefit is pretty huge

if ur good

[hearty fossil]

What do the fleeces do

[mossy spindle]

yeah but the potential for perfection is crazy and the potential for "ehh I'm sort of decent/kind of trash at dodging" (+100-300% range) is still mega crazy

[dull horizon]

they give you a benefit for a sort of trade off

[calm peak]

gold 10% dmg every enemy killed resets on you getting hit but you take double dmg

[dull horizon]

i.e. the white fleece, draw four tarot cards at the start of the run but you cant draw any more

and ofc golden fleece

[calm peak]

one doubles curse dmg but halves normal dmg

[dull horizon]

one takes all your red hearts for 1.5x spirit hearts so on so fourth

theyre pretty clearly challenge run stuff imo but golden fleece's benefit is huge if you can play damageless

[mossy spindle]

part of me also wouldn't be surprised if 80% of the "eggs are lagging" complaints (yes I know a number of these are legit "yeah the egg never dropped from the ceiling and thus I got softlocked" could be solved just by making enemies die in more than 1-3 hits lol

[hearty fossil]

Ahh okay so if you’re good enough you can raise your power up to take down bosses quicker

[calm peak]

one gives you a black heart every time you pick up a card only 1 at a time

[calm peak]

yes

[dull horizon]

they fixed that lol

they now drop whenever all enemies die

[hearty fossil]

That’s good to know since I thought the fleeces were cosmetic

[dull horizon]

atl on pc

[mossy spindle]

"raise power up" makes it sound a lot like 50-120% damage instead of "upwards of 10x and beyond" lol

[dull horizon]

console patch times sad face

[calm peak]

true

[mossy spindle]

(I mean, it absolutely is a powerup, just... uhhhh)

[dull horizon]

it just adds 10% every kill

if they wanted it capped they woulda added a cap lmao

[calm peak]

thought it would be like a 2% per kill not this

[mossy spindle]

like we'd have some really weird questions if the game didn't display %s like "wait a minute is the gfleece broken af because I'm absolutely dusting every boss"

[dull horizon]

idk why its like... we shouldnt use the golden fleece bc its broken

if it makes me go fast idc

[mossy spindle]

I feel like it'll probably get capped to like, 5% + 400% max

[dull horizon]

make sub categories thats chill but

[mossy spindle]

devs do but speedrunners gonna fuck off with whatever the fastest version is so it doesn't matter

[dull horizon]

yeah

[calm peak]

that's fair and still the best fleece for speedrunners

[mossy spindle]

gc for the boomerang clip on twilight princess runs, previous patches, 1.03 for super mario odyssey iirc (no I've never done runs on any of these games, etc.)

[hearty vapor]

rate my base

[hearty fossil]

I want to know how a speedrun of the game would look like

[calm peak]

efficient

[calm peak]

https://youtu.be/kuCW_D9hYfc

[dull horizon]

theres an any% run if you scroll up a bit

well nvm

[mossy spindle]

gfleece, minimal bases, chopping every berry/tree/stone/resource room when they get them on the map instead of chopping them, etc.

oh hey we have runs already idk why that's a question like I didn't know we'd have them less than 24hrs into the games existence (yes I know its... 4 days now?)

[hearty fossil]

You should probably heal your followers

[dull horizon]

basically you just get golden fleece asap while getting followers and going through dungeons, ignoring your followers, and getting golden fleece stacks

[mossy spindle]

sounds about right lol

cultists mostly just there to unlock doors, yeah?

[dull horizon]

current route is fish in pilgrim's passage and do the darkness quests in spore grotto and pilgrim's passage

[mossy spindle]

until they find a way to clip into doors (not that I have anything against it - I love speedrunning, just feels a bit sad for casual players to go "oh, its obviously this" and blitz through everything)

[dull horizon]

nearly exclusively, you have to sacrifice one to darkness

[mossy spindle]

tru

[dull horizon]

if a casual wants to play like that then why tf do i care

[hearty vapor]

you can get lucky with the fishing tho then u dont have to

[mossy spindle]

you omnipotence out of silk cradle both follower fights?

[dull horizon]

i played for 24 hours over 3 days casually liiiiike

if they like the game theyll play it lmao

[mossy spindle]

some1 said you "barely have enough time to do it" but idk if that's true lol

[hearty vapor]

those are rookie numbers

[dull horizon]

wdym

[mossy spindle]

didn't try and didn't care to

in silk cradle shamaru makes you fight one follower then later makes you fight two

[dull horizon]

oh i just kill them

[mossy spindle]

lol fair enough

[dull horizon]

lol lmao lol

[calm peak]

yes slaughter them

[mossy spindle]

u need 20 followers for cultist door?

ehhh

[dull horizon]

free fleece stacks

[hearty vapor]

you get enough money from the boss fights taht you can 24/7 buy from the spider

[mossy spindle]

I'm just gonna watch the vid lol

[calm peak]

yep

[dull horizon]

you get 20 by that point easily

[mossy spindle]

yes but the spider only refreshes... every 2 days?

[dull horizon]

i think its every day

[hearty vapor]

yea but also during runs

[hearty fossil]

Wait wouldn’t you want to get daggers for your weapon since I’m pretty sure they are the fastest weapons in the game

[calm peak]

my run was a bit imperfect tho this was my first time running the route

[mossy spindle]

because daggers have less damage

[dull horizon]

we have no clue what optimal weapon is

i have my thoughts but shrug

[hearty vapor]

swords 100%, fite me

[calm peak]

prob claw if you good with dash canc

[mossy spindle]

also apparently you can dash during third swing of claws to do the 3rd hit of claws immediately after finishing a dodge if you time correctly

[dull horizon]

i really hate gauntlets but hjarl used them almost exclusively

[calm peak]

love em

[mossy spindle]

yeh lul

don't care too much for them but the dash cancel tech is really funny/cool

[hearty fossil]

Oh hey I’m watching your speedrun right now hjarl

[dull horizon]

i personally like hammer a lot

its slow but it has a lot of control

i find i miss hits a lot with the other weapons

[calm peak]

i hate it when you fight the jumpy boys in anchordeep

[dull horizon]

also i get hit a lot bc of the startup frames with other weapons

[hearty vapor]

same usually, but some units are only targetable for 3 frames before they jump again and it makes me mad

[dull horizon]

with hammer i can roll out

[dull horizon]

just time it better 4head

[calm peak]

):

[hearty fossil]

I prefer more heavy weapons for the attack

[dull horizon]

well the attack numbers dont super matter

its whatever you find yourself most comfortable with imo

[mossy spindle]

jumpy boys in anchor deep? jellyfish varieties but idk what that means, I just think of the frogs in the swamp zone

[calm peak]

i'm also one of the only people who like the dagger

[dull horizon]

bc if youre comfortable with it youre less likely to get hit and lose fleece

[dull horizon]

i like dagger with attack speed up

once i had a dagger with 2x speed

shit was awesome

[calm peak]

the red ones idk crabs

[mossy spindle]

I mean because fleece is a damage multiplier and not bundled with some form of RoF multiplier, you are losing... idk 1/3 a second?1/2? 3/5? because sword/dagger only take like 1-2 swings w/ high enough multiplier? basically just "hope you have to fight the larger/tankier monsters if you're wielding hammers"

OH right yeah I forgot lol

[dull horizon]

well you can attack cancel with hammers too

makes it a bit faster

[mossy spindle]

? I know you can cancel the windup animation into a dodge but how do you also get the hit > cancel?

[dull horizon]

imo its less risky than gauntlet attack cancel

[calm peak]

but less fun

[mossy spindle]

does it have wind-down lag (my brain can't process rn) on hammer?

[dull horizon]

same as gauntlet, just roll immediately after hit

it cancels the endlag

[mossy spindle]

yeah its less risky but speedruns live and die by what they can get away with, and it turns out they can often get away with a metric shit ton lol

[dull horizon]

think L cancelling

[dull horizon]

in early days you get used to the game

[mossy spindle]

people can get really, really good at one game if they practice/play it for 100s or thousands of hours, who knew

[dull horizon]

thats a convo for months down the line lmao

[calm peak]

i mean in the end you just work with what the game gives you

[mossy spindle]

hell I feel like I'm "pretty good" and I'm a complete noob/someone who will never touch the speedruns of this game (as in to say, the basics of "just dodge everything while having fleece" a p easy step in and of itself... until the speedruns all just use claw dash canceling lol)

[dull horizon]

i say i do whats least risky but i keep losing runs to playing too risky lmao lol lmao

[calm peak]

lol

[mossy spindle]

yeah but that also sounds like speedrunners in general

[dull horizon]

i definitely have speedrunner brain

im hoping for a fast recovery

a WHAT recovery

[mossy spindle]

like the guy who RIP'd his own run by clipping the fence in mkart 64 on kalimari desert by pausing and quitting on a 1/...37000? chance then like a month later they found a WAY more consistent method lmao

[calm peak]

just git gud or something

[mossy spindle]

still insane that even one person got that on stream/video tbh lmao

[calm peak]

i guess if a lot of people stream it everyday something is bound to happen

[dull horizon]

thats dream cheating scandal logic

[mossy spindle]

I think I'd mourn dash canc claws because its a p cool tech, gfleece is just kind of stupid/obsoletes most of the crusader half of the game and I'd be surprised if it didn't get tuned down to 5%/kill and 400% max or smthn

[dull horizon]

lmfao

[mossy spindle]

yeah but dream is a high-profile streamer

[calm peak]

lmao

[dull horizon]

i mean honestly dungeons are obsolete because of the game's design

[mossy spindle]

so no he doesn't get the same privilege imo because "already being super high profile" AND getting super-insane-spawn-odds (I didn't actually watch karl jobst video on dream cheating)

idk what you mean by "dungeons obsolete by games design"

[dull horizon]

dungeons are simple

because if they were complex itd conflict with the town builder

they encourage you to get in and get out

[mossy spindle]

I feel like we're operating with two different definitions of the term obsolete

I mean you can still totally go like... 4 days after declaring a fast into dungeons

or like a day and a half without interacting with cult I think

I mean technically you could go until every dies, and THEN you're forced to pick up some cultists... w/in two days

[calm peak]

i mean the entire game progression is based around dungeons

[mossy spindle]

which is like you could probably get 4 days w/o even declaring a fast from full stomachs w/o ever once actually touching your cult, declaring another fast/feast or making them a single meal

[dull horizon]

i mean yeah it gives resources for the town builder

[mossy spindle]

(I might be wrong, idk how the starvation meter fully ticking down functions nor the "no faith" does)

[dull horizon]

and then eventually makes you more powerful in dungeons by the heretic hearts

[mossy spindle]

p sure "low faith"? maybe its 0% faith - gives a like 40% chance for 1 dissenter to spawn? idk

[dull horizon]

has anyone ever tried running out of followers

mostly a side tangent but im curious

[mossy spindle]

I've been told you can have 0 followers for up to 2 days after which point it kills you

[dull horizon]

hm

[mossy spindle]

also peeps are thinking jailing your followers currently freezes their food? and ofc it locks them from dissenting/leaving while being a dissenter so idk if that's a "no interaction" option lol

[dull horizon]

yes it does

its strange

prison basically makes a follower immortal

afaik

[frigid swift]

How is the speedrunning coming along?

[dull horizon]

any% wr is 1:26

[frigid swift]

1 minute?

[calm peak]

Do we have any other recorded runs even

[frigid swift]

or hour

[calm peak]

hour

[dull horizon]

imma try to improve it tomorrow because i realized i was making a ton of mistakes

[mossy spindle]

fair question tbh

[dull horizon]

i have attempts in my twitch vods

but i got fucking owned

[mossy spindle]

someone'll probably tag you when we find a credits warp kek

[calm peak]

thinking of starting extra hard any%

[dull horizon]

meditate to buy followers as fast as possible and then oob to the guardian

[dull horizon]

good fucking luck

its basically ohko

i did a lot of my routing in extra hard and god damn was that a mistake

[calm peak]

did a extra hard final boss run a while a go got 4h but unrecorded

[dull horizon]

lmfaoo

yeah seems about right

imma get to bed

excited to break ur wr tmrw :)

[calm peak]

but with better routing and not dying ii think under 3h is very possible

[calm peak]

we'll see

[dull horizon]

extra hard seems like itd be a lot more of the cult

[mossy spindle]

I'm confused what does extra hard do

[dull horizon]

also wtf are the rules on the beginning area regarding difficulty

[calm peak]

yea or you just have 20 people ready to indoc

[dull horizon]

makes the game extra hard 😉

[mossy spindle]

have I not actually been on extra hard, I'm confused lol I thought I had a file on it and all it does is take -1/-2 hearts from normal?

[dull horizon]

it makes hunger and health go down faster

iirc

[calm peak]

you less health enemy more health colony needs decrease faster

[dull horizon]

also more enemy health

[mossy spindle]

have they had more colony needs? have I somehow not noticed lmao

[dull horizon]

they did in my experience

[mossy spindle]

I mostly just went "ehh the bullet speeds/enemy patterns are all the same"

[dull horizon]

in extra hard any% do you have to set this to extra hard or can you just keep it at medium lmao

[mossy spindle]

I still don't know how bad rotten carcasses are, let one die in my first game just now just out of curiousity

[dull horizon]

theyre pretty bad lmao

[mossy spindle]

admittedly its not even that bad because I built two janitorial so they clean up p much everything, but still

[calm peak]

no idea

[dull horizon]

mostly bc followers vomit from it i think

[mossy spindle]

yeah

[dull horizon]

also i need to make my main file all pretty n shit

[mossy spindle]

and speedrunners obv never get much besides... what, just the stuff the tutorial requires you to, right?

[dull horizon]

im just ass at town builders :(

[mossy spindle]

town builders are fun ^^'

[dull horizon]

you dont even get beds lmao

[calm peak]

pro strat don't talk to anyone or pick up poop and you won't unlock the germ bar and your followers don't get sick

[mossy spindle]

so what the tutorial forces you to like I thought? nice lol

[dull horizon]

you get the temple n thats it

[mossy spindle]

yeah because the game forces you to

[dull horizon]

i think they still get sick

[mossy spindle]

I'm not being demeaning but its just funny watching the diff between "speedrunners who only interact with what they need to" and "the casual who plays for the entire experience (well, speedrunners still have a mostly-casual first like 20 hours or however long it takes them for their first playthrough - they're still human)

[dull horizon]

just not from bad living conditions

[calm peak]

never had it happen but that might be easy mode doing it's work

[dull horizon]

they will get sick from killmar

[calm peak]

ofc

[dull horizon]

so ur wrong im right 😎😎😎

[calm peak]

):

[dull horizon]

im playing semantics

because im very cool

(mentally ill)

[mossy spindle]

damb

[dull horizon]

also i said i'd sleep 15 minutes ago damn

[calm peak]

yep 100% game casually then started speedrunning

[dull horizon]

okay gn gamers

[calm peak]

gn

[mossy spindle]

oh, I went to the channel on mobile and confused/gave up and came back just now lol

[calm peak]

time to grind hard so you have to work hard for that record

[mossy spindle]

didn't know discord implementation/coding allowed you to insert buttons and mostly used to just using reacts, weird

[calm peak]

oh cool

[dull horizon]

oh actually before i do can you screenshot your first tab of the building menu on your 100% file @calm peak im missing something on my casual file and idk wtf it is

[dull horizon]

newer thing

from like february this year

i prefer reacts bc you can tell what youve selected

buttons r strange

[mossy spindle]

I mean kind of think I figured??? but that's still sort of wack lol

[calm peak]

what section

[mossy spindle]

yeh

[dull horizon]

first one

i forget the name

[mossy spindle]

r u sure you aren't missing the graveyard (I.E. you have to select that instead of... iirc the ressurection ritual???)

[dull horizon]

ohhhh shit yeah thats it

[mossy spindle]

[dull horizon]

actually

i think i chose graveyard

its not a separate building

[calm peak]

hmmmm...

[dull horizon]

i dont think

[mossy spindle]

? huh, weird

[dull horizon]

maybe im wrong lmao

[mossy spindle]

I mean u can easily check if u can ress lol

[dull horizon]

ill check

[dull horizon]

oh yeah it is grave

aight

ty

[mossy spindle]

I'm missing a ton of buildings but that's because I don't care to fill the tree out knowing I won't use... basically any of it

[dull horizon]

🙂 this is fine

[mossy spindle]

like, I'll use it if its either utility or it has dialogue options I want to see/am curious about that's it lol

[dull horizon]

nah devotion tree is worth lmao its fun

[calm peak]

i could also start routing the 100% route

[mossy spindle]

I'd probably complete if it weren't for the c h i l l v i b e s the animal crossing section gives off lol

[mossy spindle]

is that as hell-ish as it sounds or am I actually overestimating how collectibles are handed out in this game?

[calm peak]

i think it's fine mostly finding the optimal path is hard doe

[mossy spindle]

obv routes get improved... a ton, over the first draft esp when you have 50, 100, 500 or legit thousands of players attempting new routes, but still

like the first doesn't have to be anything special (and generally never is) but still

unless you're watching practical TASes link Smash the Target vid because apparently sakurai was actually decent at melee? what

[calm peak]

exactly my first speedrun had like no strategy

[mossy spindle]

yeeeeeeeeee

doesn't get crazy until it has 100s or 1000s of hours put into routing/practice/and just general innovation/skill in how to do it better/faster lol

and rn collective speedrun effort looks like idk probs sub 100 hours put into attempts? xd idk any of this tbh just speculating

[calm peak]

yea maybe

[hearty vapor]

no fish at all to get the fleece

i guess that's a reset hehe

5 big bois were all tuna

[mossy spindle]

that sounds rough

[mossy spindle]

current routing is 3/4 yeah? or u just go to shroom and get half from him and 2 from fisherman?

struggling to remember where all the places you can get talisman pieces from lol

[narrow snow]

My understanding is you get two from teeth in the darkness. One from fishing and one from mushrooms.

[mossy spindle]

ohhh right yeah that'd do it

why can't you do multiple from fishing tho, just too RNG? (I know that means you currently have to get all three available fishes from the fishing minigame, which while easy, still takes a v considerable amount of time to empty the pool w/ 0 guarantee you'll get more than one, if even that)

[narrow snow]

Yeah too much rng.

[modest stratus]

Just finishing the game and then I'll work on the autosplitter

[dense lotus]

yo just finished the game, how far along in terms of routing are yall with any%? I'd love to run this game and help out

[narrow snow]

I do believe we’re just blitzing the dungeons while getting golden fleece. Fishing-fox-mushrooms-fox

I actually have no idea what doctrines/rituals anyone is doing

Ive been mostly planning priorities for 100% and devotion%

[hearty vapor]

easy any% is very simple to run, just do every dungeon as fast as possible, and sacrifice yourself to toww

you can completely ignore anything the colony does, just cook them 6 meals after anura III so they don't starve to death, and you're good. as long as you never accept follower quests at all they won't dissent or anything.

[calm peak]

on easy you don't need any doctrines/rituals

except the tutorial ritual

[vapid flax]

Are we allowed to use a glitch in order to set the difficulty to easy before you are normally able to?

[barren summit]

You can open the settings to set the difficulty as soon as you've gotten the crown at the start of the game.

No glitches needed.

[spare osprey]

^

[barren summit]

I'm starting to get anxiety because I still haven't done a proper first run yet. Life keeps getting in the way.

[blazing bone]

Me neither lol I technically haven't finished a regular playthrough of it yet.

[spare osprey]

I would say for the first few runs dont care about time just getting used to routing

[narrow snow]

I just need to push to beat the game. And get more followers…i keep killing them…

[calm peak]

Just got a 1:23 any% only lowered it by 3 min this time

[calm peak]

Still a week until the official board opens no hurry

[hearty vapor]

man i hate these flame pillars in silk cradle that only show up a second after loading into the room at which point i already tumbled into them

lost +600% modifer before shamura xd

[calm peak]

rip