Tournament matching

[lavish ore]

I'll be monitoring the thread. We will be tweaking the algo with each tournament based on the initial matchmaking, so you can expect further improvements over time

[muted fiber]

"Let's run a tournament event with an untested algorithm, because that is sure to go well after we failed to implement a working algorithm multiple times" -GameHive

[native plaza]

[dapper axle]

I feel it's better, got camping guys lower than me, which is making me believe I win 🙂

[dapper axle]

Addition: Got this guy overpushed me. I am now at 176.9k

For me it's unlikely to reach even 177200 within an hour I guess

[azure pumice]

[hushed oar]

Results of my tournament. I switched to Dagger from SC and pushed 41k. Most of us started around the same MS, and stats seemed fairly close. Only the one other tried hard to win, and it was neck and neck until the end

[bold jacinth]

The first few to join the tournament were all relatively close to me in power. Then a couple campers arrived and then it filled out with players that were way way way more powerful. I pushed reasonably hard and got close to 20k stages but no way could I beat even 1/2 these players if they were trying hard (or even trying)

[hushed oar]

To be fair, if they swapped builds like I did, it could be easy to push 40k (I pushed 41k in mine swapping to Dagger). Because of that stupid monument, it’s impossible to tell what “fair” matches are if people are swapping builds

[bold jacinth]

I was curious about that so at the end I swapped to daggers and the monument to even push this far.

(Plus I crafted equipment and already had the dagger specific uniques)

[hushed oar]

There are no Dagger specific uniques 🤔

[bold jacinth]

my bad, the mythics

[spiral crane]

seems fair

[native plaza]

[bold jacinth]

Hahaha. New algorithm seems to be a regression. Biggest power differential I’ve seen yet.

[wicked bane]

There is no algorithm, it’s +-1k ms or 5k in ultra

[hushed oar]

The difference in stats between our 1st place and myself is abysmal. 22k pet levels, nearly 60cp, 1.3k sp, 2.6k weapons, and 1.1k scrolls

[livid jackal]

The new algorithm is great....

we have an equal potential ) both in push and in the speed of push , and in general in everything ...

what is the selection algorithm? Does he even exist? or is everyone stupidly thrown into one room?) Did this guy just decide to come in when I was shoving them together?

I think he should have been thrown to the guys from the top 100.... for 400+ ms ... you want the guys not to stand still ...

And yes, I want an explanation!!! What kind of nonsense is this? I hope for feedback

[granite verge]

off topic but wow meeting a bcm member as a former true member

[hushed oar]

Yeah lmao. Not the first time. Kinda funny

I spent a little time in BCM tho myself

[gilded scarab]

I think I can win it very easily

[livid jackal]

from GH 0 feedback )

@lavish ore

[lavish ore]

I mentioned it at the start of the thread, but I'll be monitoring all the posts here and passing them along to the design team 👍

[livid jackal]

the question is why do the guys at 400k+ have solo tournaments with the same awards? and we have such a selection

@lavish ore

400к

[lavish ore]

This is something not intended, and the team is investigating it now 🔍

[livid jackal]

tell your developers that until there is a selection by scrolls, then there will be no equal selection, let the clan rewards be collected automatically and there are no problems ...... but until the selection is not by scrolls, these are all empty words that you make the selection adequate ...... it would be better to be silent and not say that we are balancing the selection ...... to say that I 'm on fire is nothing to say ........

[lavish ore]

Clan scrolls are already accounted for by the matchmaking, in addition to the other resources that give players power and help determine a player's potential

Clan rewards are not automatically collected currently, but as they were all collected in the 6.5 update, banked clan rewards are not going to be a major factor in your tournaments

[livid jackal]

make a selection only on scrolls, everything else will not work ..... the number of scrolls determines the time in the game since they are fixed and cannot be obtained from other sources ..... equal game time equal potential +-

and if you tell me that the selection there will be worse than this one, then I'm sorry.....

[lavish ore]

Only by clan scrolls would not be accurate. For example, if one player never participated in a clan but has been playing since release, they would have 0 clan scrolls, but their other resources could make them easily be above stage 110k. Whereas a brand new player would also have 0 clan scrolls. If only clan scrolls were used, then a player joining at stage 100 would potentially be able to match with a player of stage 100k, and that wouldn't be fair.

[livid jackal]

well, I have an opponent with 400 wins , I have two times fewer tournaments than he has wins....Is that fair?

[livid jackal]

I have half as many tournaments, not wins....

[lavish ore]

The number of tournaments a player has won or participated in has no bearing on their matchmaking. Only on their potential max stage and the potential max stage of other players.

[livid jackal]

Well, my opponent has a potentially maximum stage twice as high as mine. I start playing to spend my potential and he easily overtakes me in one prestige. and from the top he makes another 10k . Is that okay in your opinion?

[lavish ore]

I've passed along the tournament results to the design team already. But I personally doubt that they would be reaching stage 650k for example, it looks like they are still at a lower max stage than you as of the latest screenshots you've shared.

[livid jackal]

so he will take over the last 30 minutes of the tournament and overtake everyone.... and all his efforts will go down the drain

[gilded scarab]

I can still win, but I'm probably doing something wrong

[merry reef]

All stats of the 1.Place are min. 40% better than each stat of the other players.

[uncut tundra]

No idea why the winner was in this tournament

[clear bobcat]

@lavish ore It would help everyone evaluate the algo if GH simply made “mementoes earned this transcendence” a visible stat

[cunning bane]

new match making ❤️

[hushed oar]

Seeing other peoples memes earned won’t exactly be a helpful stat to go off. If two people have the same amount of earned memes, but a drastically different set of other stats, the other stats will still make a big impact on how much more that person is able to push. Just because they’re lazy doesn’t mean 2k scrolls, 30k pets, etc won’t still push them far beyond their competition 🤷‍♂️

[clear bobcat]

It won’t hurt to have this info, will it? Monuments and mementoes are the best predictors of pushing power now. Comparing the currently visible stats without knowing mementoes earned is pretty pointless, really

[hushed oar]

It won’t hurt, but seeing how many memes a person has farmed won’t really help. All a persons meme count will tell us is how active or lazy a player is. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter how active or lazy a player is when your stats are so wildly out of whack, like some of the posts have been here. A lazy player with 30k pet levels, thousands more weapons/scrolls, and double the CP should never be paired with someone with far less just because they have similar meme counts, and are near the same stage

In my honest opinion, the algo should account for ~20 prestiges per day at your MS, and assume you have max boosters

[clear bobcat]

But we don’t know if they have similar meme counts (which is precisely my point). Knowing this jnfo will make all our skepticism about GH’s algo-making abilities that much more justified

[hushed oar]

The point of this thread is to help with that. These cases where we see wildly unfair matches will prompt them to investigate further on their end. What we personally see doesn’t matter - the fact that we see these matchups at all is proof enough that something is wrong. Chances are, the meme counts do probably have something to do with it, but they can see that on their end as they look into this

And Lemming himself has stated a couple of times that he is watching this thread closely, and relaying the odd matchmaking up the chain

So, as I said, we don’t really need to see meme counts. It wouldn’t really help us at all outside of seeing who is lazy, and who isn’t, but we can tell who is/isn’t just looking at their other stats

[upbeat fractal]

I don’t think this kind of matchmaking in normal tourneys should ever be a thing
I’m 135.2k MS so it’s fine, but the other guy is 86k

The 86k guy does have crazy stats tho

[wispy sandal]

Great matchmaking

[native plaza]

Push?

[lavish ore]

Just based on your stats, looks like you could easily catch up if you tried, it's just that you haven't pushed for the last few tournaments so you're losing repeatedly as a result

[hushed oar]

When looking at your tournament matchings, make sure to consider your stats. The goal of the recent algo changes is to essentially force you to push to your soft wall, so pairings like this are intentional if you have been trying to camp.

[native plaza]

I'd be happy to run a conditional 5-6k for 1 tournament, but not 25-30k+

As you can see, in every tournament, I need to run 10k+ to come close to winning. This is mostly due to new accounts that keep running until they reach their wall (100-110k and probably stop playing).

[barren parcel]

lol

im in one with gullible suckers

[scarlet chasm]

That's how getting Temperance looks like

[terse parrot]

One another great matchmaking

[native plaza]

Great selection, getting better and better with each tour.🙃

[ancient willow]

Can't it just be matched with a similar stage and similar potential? Wouldn't that all be fair?

On the other hand, if you don't have a similar stage and potential opponent, it could be a solo tournament. And I think that's the appeal of this game.

[livid jackal]

I won 't even throw screenshots of opponents ' stats , everything is 1.5 - 2 times higher than me . and the most important thing is that 10 minutes ago I was alone in the room. that is, shit from the first month initially at this stage with higher stats than me .... that is, I need to push 50 k stages and hope that a guy stronger than me will not play by stats? how do you imagine it...... it's just fucking shit and not an update in the selection of opponents...

[ancient willow]

Think about it simply. That's the tournament @lavish ore

[ancient willow]

The tournament is absolutely not fair at the moment. As you already know. Without taking the stage from a very long time ago. There are so many people who are still in place.

They've come this far, investing a lot of time in this game, but now the tournament situation is about abandoning and ruining all those people, all those things that have worked so hard for so long are becoming meaningless.

Of course, I know that there is a direction that the game company wants. Even so, it is too forceful and cruel. In the game company, you have to make a game that everyone can enjoy.

I'll give you one last warning. If it keeps going like this in the future. A lot of people will be very disappointed and leave this game.

[woeful wasp]

Stop it

Diff with ~10k ill maybe understand, but last tournaments with 40k+

[lavish ore]

Most likely, if it was pairing both for similar max stages and similar potential, you'd end up with the majority of players having solo tournaments or only 1-2 other players in their tournaments, other than in cases like new accounts or the 100-110k softwall. The current algorithm is intended to help match up players of similar potential, regardless of their max stage differences. This typically means that players who are not progressing and just camping will start at a stage deficit, and it'll "force" them to progress if they want to aim for the win. And if naturally players are pushing to win in tournaments, they'll move towards their softwall and start matching up more directly.

A lot of the results posted related to stages 20-80k or 180k+ will have more variance in stages as players will have different artifacts/enchantments/monuments unlocked and leveled differently, and thus the stats on their profile will not fully display a player's current power or potential for growth.

[livid jackal]

do you write things that don't work that way , do you write that which monuments are upgraded and builds affect the selection and not the stats in the profile? if I make a build that can't push, pump in some monuments that don't fit my build, will I enter the tournament and be on horseback ?)) I will not be thrown to people with more stats than I am in the profile and the starting ms is not 50k higher?)))

[livid jackal]

@lavish ore a person with stats 2 times higher than mine and MTS 50k higher was thrown into my tournament, let me give you my account, you will show people that stats in the profile do not affect anything. I just pushed 20 k stages and my potential dropped to 0)))) but only 30 k stages separate me from the first place, although the guy did not miss a single stage there

[ancient willow]

I don't know if the translator status is weird. Or I don't know if you don't understand. Why [force]? Why do campers have to keep losing money, climbing at least 20k per tournament? Don't you know yet? The tournament right now is not <never> fair.

[native plaza]

***The current algorithm is intended to help match up players of similar potential, regardless of their max stage differences. ** So there are 2 players in these pictures that have similar potential, am I correct?

[dapper axle]

Нифига он худощавый. А так сейчас игроки могут спокойно дойти и до 100к, ты и тем более дойдешь)

[native plaza]

смысл терять весь потенциал за 1 турнир

офк я дойду

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1110988623312064512.webp?size=48&name=9smilemind&quality=lossless

[dapper axle]

Так в этом и смысл, хочешь победы, играй)

[native plaza]

ок

это дело 20 минут

играй😂

[dapper axle]

Вперед!😛

[wispy sandal]

It’s okay?

[gilded scarab]

Similar potential

[native plaza]

In principle, if you look at the profiles of the participants, you would think that the selection works correctly, but still there is a question, how did I end up here, together with them? Maybe they have some hidden potential that we can only guess at?))

You will tell me that you need to push, do not stand still, but here comes another question. Are the normal rewards we get for the first place (for pushing more than 20k stages), which is 1200 diamonds and 25 sp. I think for push more than for the tournament itself.

[willow socket]

So, if someone 10k stages higher than me has the same potential, this current algorithm matches us up, regardless of whatever else? So, my play style is immediately punished because I don't push or attempt to push every prestige, and instead push during tournaments? With the tournaments I've been in since the update, looks like I'd have to do a "normal day's worth" of pushes in a tournament to have a chance. One push might get me 5k at this point, but that's, y'know, my potential before the tournament.

Quite frankly it's garbage to simply force people to be in tournaments, unless we're like in the top 10 and not within 2k of anyone...i

It makes absolutely no sense for someone to be in the same tournament as me if my potential wouldn't even get me to their original ms at the start of the tournament.

Unless there is actually an ms peg to the algorithm, it still will never be fair for some. There must be some sort of ms peg. Maybe search for ms above and below potential/2 or something. Hell, would be better than this.

Gotta push 16k at 404k to have a chance for 1st in this tournament. 9k to have a chance for 2nd. My potential somewhere in that range or is someone just on a tear? Or hell, just now swapping to Dagger? Hard to tell when we don't know the ms at the start. Maybe that could be some helpful info to know. Maybe I'm in with one whale and then others that are somewhat reasonable...but really hard to tell when you've yet to push and see it might not even be worth using your time to even bother. Again.

[fleet cairn]

Same potential? I don't see it, at my stages new monuments hardly make huge difference. How is theae 3 player profile have the same potential?

[granite verge]

Look at sp?

[vocal shoal]

Wtf???

[native plaza]

Based on the information above, we can already conclude that the selection doesn't work at all. Those players who have been saving resources throws with new players who have reached their wall. And those who pushed throws in the tournament with players who have a lot more resources (overpumping). Selection does not work normally, but based on Lemm's answers, it should be so

[native hearth]

Joining the fun because 100k starting stage difference before pushing is very fair. Algorithm is working perfectly fine.

[wicked bane]

First one can probably win without even reaching MS

[livid jackal]

the best selection, no matter what the guy on ms 445k gets for prestige much much more mementos ... lem will come and say everything is fine, what don't you like?

I played in a tournament where the difference in ms starting was 50k.

[wicked bane]

Stats higher, ms higher, must be my hidden stats

[livid jackal]

you have a hidden potential )

[livid jackal]

in general , the selection was shit , it became even more shit

and we eat it

[upbeat fractal]

Ofc im not on the receiving end for this tourney but this matchmaking should not be happening, 30k MS gap is too big

[quiet walrus]

Started 20k higher than everyone else and remained there, despite me pushing 15k

[half walrus]

they can probably push 30k ms in 2-3 prestiges with those stats

that's why they're in that bracket

[vocal shoal]

😡

[granite verge]

Don’t worry. That guy is camping and easily push 10k

[wicked bane]

Second tournament in a row where someone joins with way higher starting stage and stats, any explanation for this?

[wicked bane]

Just noticed it’s the same one from last tournament

[vocal shoal]

Ty very much

[hushed oar]

That guy has done almost no clan raids, so he’s missing a ton of power that you have. Tbh this just looks like a casual do-nothing account

You can also tell by his badges that he’s super lazy

[small cloud]

seems fair

[half walrus]

i don't think you realize how much scrolls are worth, they're a lot better than every other source of power
you posting images of being matched with people who have the same power as you but who get that power from less scrolls and more of other things detracts from the actual issue of the algorithm not working in transcendence

[vocal shoal]

even the selection of the maximum stage worked better. I have now made 10 good prestige and I no longer have the strength to push

[cursive tendon]

How can I beat this guy ?
All of his stats are better than my...

[rustic pilot]

Did you guys revert tournament changes??? This is some complete BS now...

[vocal shoal]

bad selection again. More cp, more pets, more heroes. I played all day, added almost a thousand stages, and he was ahead of me in 1 prestige.

Honestly, they're fucked up. why make new updates if there are old problems. is it so difficult to make a selection on several points? stages +- 5%, and then on all other points,

[odd jasper]

yea, two recent tournaments are literally humiliation of those who play 'as intended'
fixing and giving compensation shall help with this\

[rustic pilot]

previous one i had to push 3.5k which took me 4 hours and very barely got 1st (used 900 crafting mats)

this current one is just messed up

[odd jasper]

i've got to push 17k to catch up guys with a few more years of resources farmed

[quiet walrus]

x4 CP, 1.5-2x other stats. /3 scrolls

[hexed rivet]

just joined btw

110k was my last prestige and now I need to climb 5k stages what the hell

[hushed oar]

You will literally never have situations where people are super close to you. If the algo was ever THAT accurate, everyone would just have solos

[livid jackal]

there is such a problem here) we made a set for monuments , it's good , it gives a lot of monuments) but now cp is the main stat and selection in cp tournaments does not make an accent that we have 40 cp people and 100cp people in one tournament , who will win?

[dapper axle]

I will win)

[quiet walrus]

CP heavily overvalued rn with new Mythic

[cunning minnow]

the new matching is shit!what is in GH's brain?
after new matching,i always have thounds skills、pets、weapons、scrolls,dozens CP less than other players in the same tournament.

[quiet walrus]

Fair matchmaking

[hushed oar]

Yeah that guy has something like 30x more memes than you just because of his CP. Even he is lazy, he has a clear advantage because of it

[quiet walrus]

Yep. And he started 20k stages higher 🤷‍♂️

[cunning minnow]

thanks for GH's new matching,it makes me quit TT2,helps me saving money.

[granite verge]

Invalid complaint. 20k to 100k is possible within one day because of artifact discoveries and enchantments.

[vocal shoal]

the most honest selection in the world

[vocal shoal]

Madara 135k

[dapper axle]

You have more scrolls, stop complaining and play

[wispy sandal]

What chance do I have of winning? xD

I have 49 cp, he has 104 cp … nice 👍

[leaden cliff]

Algo pls

[quiet walrus]

RIP

[violet horizon]

bruh

probably didnt need to cross out the names but whatever

[dapper axle]

What is that even for??

[granite verge]

We know nothing if you don’t open their stats

[violet horizon]

when i took the screenshot i didnt know this thread existed already

but this is the number 3 person and hes not even at his ms yet, mines 12k behind

[dapper axle]

And what are your stats?

[hushed oar]

My guy, you literally been playing way longer than him. With the time you’ve been playing, you should already be in Trans

And you have nearly 3k more scrolls than he does, which is way more powerful than the minor difference in SP, Pet levels, and Weapons

[violet horizon]

thats not exactly showing when it comes to number of tournaments joined

and i dont miss very often

[hushed oar]

I’m looking at badges, and you have like 2x his number of badges

Meaning he’s doing literally nothing

You’re way more active, and have 3k more scrolls

So you should be farther than you are in comparison

[violet horizon]

just jusging by number of tournaments hes been playing longer than i have and my number makes more sense. still he has a significantly higher ms

despite doing less

[hushed oar]

Idk what to tell ya man. # of tournaments does not mean anything. You simply have stats that should be at least as powerful as him at the end of the day

Tournaments joined is not an indication of how powerful someone is

Badges are a much better indication since they’re not just an indication of how long someone has been playing, but how active they are when they play (it also translates into damage, whereas tournaments joined does not)

[violet horizon]

i know i just was talking abt for how long hes been playing

[still locust]

long story short, your combined stats has a clear advantage over him but you still have lower than, that means you are playing something wrong, nothing to blame about the algorithm in your case

[granite verge]

The easiest thing to miss is wrong equipment

[severe nymph]

Best ever 🙂

[hexed rivet]

Achievement "The 25th BAM"

[granite verge]

Milestone moment strikes again

[tropic lagoon]

Loving the new Algorithms.... pushed for Four hours gained 2 monuments and 15K stages. Still not even close.

First has me by, 50 Crafting Levels, 18K Pets, 4K SP, 5K Hero Scrolls, 5 Monuments.

I have him by 3K Clan Scrolls.

[uncut patio]

How many clan Scrolls do the bottom two have compared to the top two? It seems GH is over estimating the strength of the Scrolls this season.

[tropic lagoon]

Bottom 3

Top 3

[wispy sandal]

Nice

thanks for the good matchmaking

[thick helm]

😵

[hushed oar]

Just seeing this is useless unless you share some peoples (including your) stat page

[granite verge]

I also need to see your meme booster count.

[mortal furnace]

Shortly after a 300k base ms guy joined

Last person 0 monuments. 1st 20 monuments

[dapper axle]

You should have sent the stats of each

[mortal furnace]

New tournament after update, this time I’ll add the stats of each

Can’t delete repeated ss but there it is

[hexed rivet]

How can Alan be so low in Max Stage holy. Care yuan can get higher than you ^^

[wispy sandal]

New matchmaking ? Thank you 🙏

[wispy sandal]

And this guy

seriously? do you think this is normal?

...................

I want an answer

[tropic lagoon]

Soo match making strikes again. I hit my hard wall, idk my my build is fucked or what. I've had number one in my last three tournaments.

First set of pictures is start of tournament and second set is end of tournament.

Darkwing, started at roughly 310K

[uncut patio]

It seems just as bad if not worse since the update. It truly seems as if GH isn't factoring monuments owned at all. Just how many they think you should have by this point in the season. I still say there is no reason at all to be placing players so far apart.

[hushed oar]

No, this is exactly how the algo should be working. Based on the stats, both of those players should be around the same stage at this point. The main difference is likely how many meme boosters each player has, but it’s going to be hard to discern who is just behind on boosters, and who is just lazy, but generally, if a player is behind on boosters (like myself) then their tournaments SHOULD be harder. The whole point of Trans is that it is supposed to be possible for very active players to be able to beat out very lazy players, so this just looks like a meme booster difference to me

[hexed rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-idk-man-skill-issue-idk-man-seems-like-a-gif-24725965

[leaden cliff]

Bump. Algo still shite

[quiet walrus]

+1

[fast mica]

+2

[still locust]

Cos tightened is not the correct way to spell improve

[vocal shoal]

Второй турнир он крадёт победу

[wispy sandal]

Similar potential lol

[wicked bane]

If someone has 50-100k stage and 5-10monuments diff? Nah it’s fine. If they have 2k more scrolls? Nah you’re doomed

I’m actually curious how ultra tournaments would look like with this “algorithm”, it already feels like one

[fervent hearth]

I enter tournaments at basically the same time.
And many times I am matched with the same people.
Even if the winners and losers are determined and the MS gap is widening, we are still assigned to the same group.
It is an uncomfortable feeling to see someone lose in a row.

The current tournament matching algorithm is fine with me, as I'm winning there, if only for my own benefit.
However, I am negative about the current algorithm considering that TT2 will continue in the future.

I felt that the previous matching algorithm was heavily influenced by MS, which favored those with higher status in a serious fight, and I think many people were unhappy about that.
However, I think the rule was that it was difficult to keep winning all the time, because that victory was an action that consumed the extra status against the MS, and once all the extra status was used, it would be difficult to win.
Conversely, even the weakest could win by throwing away several tournament wins to save up extra power and use it.

The current matching algorithm seems to be heavily influenced by status, but it is difficult to change that status significantly in a short period of time, and the fluidity of the groups being matched is small.
Therefore, those who play unfavorably on the algorithm will always be at a disadvantage.
Furthermore, if you give up and do not renew your MS because you do not have a good chance to win one battle, you will be matched with the same person the next time, which will result in a disadvantageous tournament with an even greater MS gap.

.
I think they both have a point in terms of equality, but I think the previous algorithm is more meaningful in terms of TT2's survival.
I will give two reasons.

The first is that the winners are not completely fixed.
With the current algorithm, those who can't win can't win all the time and may quit the game because it's no fun not to win.
The old one also allowed you to play tournaments better with the status you gained during that time when you came back from semi-dormancy, it may have only been a bonus time once or twice, but I think it would help to reaffirm the fun of TT2 when you come back.

Second, there's a difference in the range of play.
The current algorithm is difficult to win without a favorable way to play.
However, there should be many different ways to play this game, including Farm and Push.
I think it's important to be able to compete in any style of play.
We don't want lazy people to have an advantage, it is important that even lazy people have the possibility to win if they work hard at the right time.
It makes the game more attractive because if you work hard and win, you will try harder the next time.
Limiting the style of play risks reducing the number of people playing.

I am saddened to hear clan members say that games (tournaments) with fixed winners and losers are no fun.
If this continues, players with unwinnable playing styles may retire.
We want TT2 to be enjoyable even for those who are busy with business and other activities!

I am aware that I am saying things that are counter to change, and I know there are pros and cons, and I apologize.
Still, I wanted to tell you.

[wispy sandal]

still similar potential

[uncut patio]

No reason at all that starting stats can't be comparable. I'm 300-400 prestiges out of the top 5 in my tournament and that's if they don't play at all. There is absolutely 0 chance of overtaking them. The logic that I have less active hours but the same available hours so I'm placed with players that have played more hours is stupid as those hours can't be made up in 1 tournament.

[dim helm]

Matching is still broken, please fix

[dapper axle]

U have more scrolls and your badges is a thing

Oh I looked Shuri and Edu

But still, instead of complaining just play 🙂

[still locust]

But still, instead of complaining just being fucked up by Gh 🙂

[wispy sandal]

I agree, matchmaking is still broken

[gilded scarab]

[wispy sandal]

And still similar potential, thank u

[granite verge]

wow caribie

[wispy sandal]

Upd

[dim helm]

Still ridiculous

[granite verge]

metalhead and zlycoris, can both of you tell me how many memento boosters you have

[still hemlock]

This is my last tournament.
Crafting Power is not weighted enough, especially with the latest mythic set that boost mementos (not to mention that CP was also boosted a few updated ago as well).
And as the screenshots provides, the two with most CP, stranglely enough wins. cannot fathom why (passive-aggressive thoughts I know).
The 3rd (in 6th) with most CP, I assume not play much and probably doesn't have maxed meme boosters.
This have been my last tournaments since they announced the tightening of turney algorithm.
Before this, the turney algorithm was still crap, (since it was luck-based which bracket you got in), but at least i won once in a month, now I have no chance. I still need 70+ prestiges to just unlock the next monument, and it is not good since all the good ones I've unlocked already. And those top at the podium already have unlocked it (one more monument compared tonthe rest) at the start of the turney, no chance to catch up, so whats the fucking point.
I dont wine because I don't get first, fuck that, I dont care. If i feel i get a fair match and loose, cudos to the person that got first, no problem. I care because there's practically zero chance to get top 2, even with popping a dozen of TCs.
As the tunrey algorithm stands, it is plain wrong and unfair, period.

[fallow garnet]

Guys stats 3-4x mine. Every tourn

[granite verge]

these are lazy campers. you pushed near your softwall

[vocal shoal]

will you make a normal balance?

[wispy sandal]

Still great matchmaking with similar potential

[wispy sandal]

Upd

[dim helm]

2535/3600

[granite verge]

so that's why you are placed behind. the algo assumes you have all meme boosters farmed every day

[dim helm]

Algo should see that you don't. Coding

[hushed oar]

It should see that you don’t have max boosters. That is 100% intentional, and is supposed to be a deterrent to camping. One of the better parts of the algo

It may have some unintended side effects, but if it always accounted for your current meme boosters, then it would be optimal to do a lot of camping, and then do like 100 prestiges during a single tournament to cheese the other campers

[lapis walrus]

&

?

in what divine way should I catch up with him?

[wispy sandal]

Great

[hexed rivet]

Why everyone blaming SBMM i don't get it.

[quiet walrus]

Algo fair

[wispy sandal]

Still great

[hexed rivet]

"Tightened tournament matchmaking" Still playing against the same Enemys like before

Nothing Changed

[quiet walrus]

175 v 75 CP.... That's like 1000x more mementos per prestige

Very fair, very fair.

[hexed rivet]

1k Stages pushed without Prestige

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-block-just-hold-f-roblox-project-slayers-gif-26246381

[wispy sandal]

Lol

[fierce pelican]

Whats the Matter Riinx? 😄

you have almost 2k more Clanscrolls 😄

but dont worry ... i feel u ... and im sorry!

[wispy sandal]

gh think the same😀

[fierce pelican]

true 😄

i will push a little bit more in a few minutes 😄

[wispy sandal]

I've already done 90 prestige for 13 monu xd. I will push 275k and finish

[elfin junco]

💀

[elfin karma]

So is this still normal?)
Insane miss for Kage

[wispy sandal]

«matchmaking is fine» GH
“but the scrolls are the same, just lazy” GH

[hard hill]

literally every opponent is stronger than me
I understand that the algorithm cannot be perfect, but how could it be considered that Barolyn and I have the same potential?

[fast mica]

anytime I read "tightened/improved matchmaking" in the patch notes, it just feels like empty words. Based on years of experience, they either don't won't to find a solution, or they're not smart enough or lack the skills to do so.

Any reasonable person would have started looking into alternative options a long time ago.

[fast mica]

that's what I'm up against

more cp, more sp, more weapons, more scrolls

[wispy sandal]

«matchmaking is fine”

[fast mica]

anyone that still spends even the tiniest amount of money on this game is contributing to this

I don't even blame the devs anymore

[wicked bane]

Was this just a late April fools joke?

[wispy sandal]

it's not so bad this time

[lapis walrus]

I think he might not even enter the game and beat me.

[static lynx]

This can't be fair

[muted fiber]

Your matchmaking is based on getting lucky with good artifact discoveries. Thats it. You need 0 stats to compete at your stage. It is absolute fair and a very different scenario than what the other players in this thread are talking about.

Just keep prestiging and discovering artifacts. You could end that tournament at 100K if you tried hard.

[hexed rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-senju-gif-13079766

[static lynx]

Lol at 100k that's cap

[static lynx]

-_- am I just supposed to start at 180k or do I have to progress

[muted fiber]

It's not. You need 0 stats to get to 100K

Just artifact / enchantment unlocks.

1-100K is simply based on play time / prestiges. It can be done very quickly

[static lynx]

Ok so I don't need to use perks? Just artifacts?

[muted fiber]

Perks mainly just add QoL, not power.

(Except doom)

[static lynx]

What's qol

[muted fiber]

Quality of life. I.e more mana, or hold to tap, or auto buy hero upgrades

[static lynx]

Ahh okay thanks

I'm finna get stage 20k today now

[hexed rivet]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Quality+of+Life

I didn't start at 180k. I progressed like you.
I am not @verbal rover

[muted fiber]

You will skyrocket after that.

GameHive has intentionally slowed down 1-20K for "new player experience"

[static lynx]

Ty for the advice

[static lynx]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=No+one+started+at+180k

[verbal rover]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-ping-pissed-kill-xd-gif-13919523

[static lynx]

@verbal rover you hit 180k with out progressing?

[verbal rover]

yes

only one in 100 people can do this

and we cant spill our secrets

[static lynx]

How

Guess what

The chances of me being born or one in a hundred trillion

So 1 in 100 is baby numbers

[verbal rover]

[wispy sandal]

[hexed rivet]

Lucky I guess

[wispy sandal]

but not for me

[fresh storm]

pretty balanced 14 artefacts, my stage is optimized to my potencial. Matched with 16 artefacts, their potecial must be better than mine. Diffrence is just huge.

[wispy sandal]

Upd
Nice matchmaking

“Matchmaking is fine” gh

[wicked bane]

its fine when the enemy has 2k+ms, 1-2more monuments, 50more cp, 2k more weapons 1-2k more sp but god forbid if you have 500more scrolls than them

[hexed rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/green-day-lonely-road-walk-alone-butits-home-gif-7198936

I mean everyone blaming MM but I literally alone in them

[wispy sandal]

That was sarcasm

[wispy sandal]

UPD
0 chances to win
I don’t know what the matchmaking algorithm is smoking to get us into the same tournament

[wicked bane]

Upgrading monuments still gives close to no progress, you either discover new one or just accept that you won’t win, maybe by season 15 it will be better

[muted fiber]

Someone being 5K ahead of you is not "bad" matchmaking. MS is irrelevant. That's a single monument. All that matters is the stats.

"Good Matchmaking" also does not mean you win every time.

He has higher CP then you, but you have a significant Scroll advantage. How many shards are you hoarding?

That lead is not insurmountable with that scroll variance.

One of the better matches we've seen in this thread, even though you'll lose

[wispy sandal]

Shards after tournament
+50 cp is too much
in order for me to get 16 monument I need to do 600 prestige, and he needs to do 10
you overestimate the importance of scrolls

[rapid flame]

I think “good matchmaking” means that everyone have almost the same chances to win tournament
Is this fair when I’m literally stuck at wall and my opponent is literally 2k ahead at the start?

[uncut tundra]

Everyone else is close to each other in stats. But this guy...wtf. get him out of ours. -_-

5k pets, 400 scrolls, 1k weaps, 30+ raid card lvls, 500sp,& 14 crafting power ahead. And that was to start. That ain't right. Us 8 are screwed

[muted fiber]

Your stats are better than your opponents. 2998 scrolls vs 1786 scrolls is massive and easily makes up the small difference in the other stats and then some.

[rapid flame]

So you think 1.2k scrolls is more powerful than 14 cp, 700 sp, 4k pets and 600 weaps?

[muted fiber]

It is more powerful (edit: or at a minimum, equivelent).

1200 scrolls = ~66 scroll sets

14 cp = ~33 scroll sets (if all sets)
700 SP = ~15 scroll sets
600 weapons = ~8 scroll sets
4000 pets = unknown because we don't know the # of ^1 pets, but certainly less then the remaining ~10 scroll set power difference

That pairing is fair. Fair doesn't mean you're going to win every tournament. There is some horrendous matchmaking in this thread. You aren't one of them

[quiet walrus]

14 CP not much without Mythic Transcendence set

[stark wharf]

What about this pairing? Seems opponents have more stats than me.

[rapid flame]

Fair means that AT LEAST I can try to compete for top 1
Let me clarify one more time, 155.5 is mine wall right now, so I cannot even try even for top 3
And this is only for this tournament, sometimes I have even more terrible mm

And if you saying that I’m have same potential as top 1 here maybe I can give you my account and you’ll win it?

[muted fiber]

Yes. I'm saying that your account has better overall stats than idlings account based on the screenshots that you provided.

He has either a more optimized setup or simply done more overall prestiges than you, resulting in higher LTR/artifact power

[muted fiber]

No, this is an example of actual bad matchmaking. Someone like Micha, if they actually tried, would destroy you. Basically every single one of them would actually lol

Lucky for you, it looks like they're not putting in much effort and you're outgrinding them. Good luck on your win.

[stark wharf]

I won them already, but thank you 🙂

[rapid flame]

ok, sure, what about this opponent? Let me guess you'll say that i have more gold badges/more at wins/more enthusiasm/more free time/etc...?

[muted fiber]

The badges do matter, but He has more potential than both you and idling and is underpushed / unoptimized for sure. It's not an outrageous mismatch though. Most people in this thread would be thrilled to have someone that close to them in stats.

You can hit Idling's MS so you're at least 2K underpushed. Whether that's enough to beat that guy, will entirely depend on how active and optimized he is.

[uncut tundra]

@muted fiber how bout mine? Bad mm, or am I somehow doing it wrong? (Serious question, btw). Looks like all stats are higher

Not as big a gap, but ahead here too

[muted fiber]

Raid stuff doesn't matter for main game

[uncut tundra]

Charged & ever-growing

All gold+all dmg. Not much, but more ahead lol

So u don't gotta scroll

[muted fiber]

Like his stats are better than yours, yea, but it's not a massive gap.

Like you have to understand, an exact match is never going to happen. There is always going to be some variance. If the algorithm required 100% stat match everyone would just get solos.

So I would say that match making is fine, it just favors Blankdash. Depending on your and his activity levels, it's a difference you may be able to overcome.

The issue with matchmaking pre-transcendence is when you have stat mismatches in the thousands. Someone with 7000 scrolls vs 2000 scrolls for example.

[verbal arch]

blankdash definitely has way more pushing potential than you but it looks like they're very inactive, i would be surprised if they increased MS at all during your tournament

[uncut tundra]

Everyone else was within like 50 scrolls,300 weaps, & 500 pets

[muted fiber]

I wouldn't get to hung up on the pet difference. They don't add that much power and most pets aren't worth anything.

[uncut tundra]

He pushed over 9k

[verbal arch]

oop, that's unlucky

[muted fiber]

Ya, at your MS a lot of that is just going to be enchantment unlocks and campers deciding to push finally

[uncut tundra]

I played like 10h, pushed 500...after getting 2 sets & a tc

[muted fiber]

TC doesn't really add any substantial power

It just saves you 5 prestiges worth of relics lol

Don't get scammed by TCs 😛

[uncut tundra]

Yeah, I noticed after trying it 😭

But 8 of us, I'd say mm was great, we fought for like 6h over #2, then they quit & I'm stubborn

[muted fiber]

That sounds miserable

Push and snipe in the last 5-10 minutes only. If you can't win in that time frame, not worth doing at that stage.

[uncut tundra]

Yeah, especially when u get to 100ms behind #1, he jumps 3k, u go 100, he jumps 6k

[muted fiber]

Ya he was underpushed

He just decided to play this tournament

Unlucky

[uncut tundra]

Last like 4? tourneys, it's been like this, minus the bs dude

I do 1 good push, win by 1 :p

[muted fiber]

Optimize your build, your equipment, if you're VIP you could optimize your enchantments though I wouldn't recommend it (salvage ones not for your build).

[uncut tundra]

I'm vip, but I need lots of sets. Was waiting on a shard tc

[muted fiber]

Ya it's not worth it

But if you really wanted to try to win it's an option lol

Figure each "good" enchant adds like 250-300 stages

[uncut tundra]

Not tourney related, but drops h8 me too lol. Got 3 myths yesterday, 1 for my cs build. But...it's a repeat lol

1/5 of crackling set

Anyway, yeah. Matched by highest potential max stage=bs. Unless they are saying technically Everyone can potentially reach 500012+ someday.

If I get matched with that, I'm done 4 good.

Bbl, time 4 work

[wispy sandal]

Scrollllllllls

What are my chances of winning?

I shouldn't win every tourney you say
but I haven’t won for several months now because of this “similar” matchmaking

[verbal rover]

[verbal rover]

looks fine to me

[muted fiber]

0%

[wispy sandal]

😭

[muted fiber]

Some of those people aren't making any attempt to win though

Unfortunately for you, Timax is

And unless you have 35,000 shards or so banked that you can craft with, you're fucked.

[wispy sandal]

and of course I don’t have shards