era-sagas

[twilit valve]

i'd probably put 1 speed 1 strength and then 1 of either of those on phosis

and then 3 team speed on the other 2

with these skills

maybe a team speed on phusis and a speed on osirius

4 turn cd them and just keep them alive with osirius might work

but phusis can also hit hard

[rapid sonnet]

I feel like I need other relics because they are definitely getting killed between 2nd and 3rd cd now with tortures 🤔

[twilit valve]

post your team setup

[rapid sonnet]

Trying, but internet is not cooperative

[twilit valve]

i only had a good mask on osirius

level 1 free reigns staff

[rapid sonnet]

That's not much 😅

[twilit valve]

probably summitfolk sword on phusis

has righteous court sword on it at the moment, no idea why

probably wasn't on anyone

lots of better swords

summitfolk is great though

enkidu has level 1 relics on

summitfolk and elvira swords probably best

[rapid sonnet]

Got pure gaia (25) and sea old guard (35) on enkidu, sigrid's staff (30) and supreme mask (30) on osirous and rightous court (30) and wing-su's sword (20) on phusis

[twilit valve]

do you have summitfolk and elviras swords?

[hollow bolt]

sea old guard staff does nothing on enkidu

do u have any other options

[twilit valve]

equalaria staff on osirius, murks staff on enkidu

barbarian armour

raijin mask on osirius maybe

biowormbot mask better

[rapid sonnet]

Don't have biowormbot mask so would have to use raijin 🤔
Got Murk's staff and Barbarian Armor on Endiku now + Equaleria's Staff and Raijin's Mask on Osirous. What do I do for Phusis? Summitfolk? I don't have Elviras sword..

[twilit valve]

summitfolk yes

let me check others

who are the enemies again?

either obscure or elektra patrol sword probably

don't think the enemies count for supreme sword

[rapid sonnet]

Screenshots are not working again, but Robur, Roothorn and Wolperdinger first team, then Robur Wootr and Owu Wu second team

[twilit valve]

supreme needs galactic or lower right?

yea

[rapid sonnet]

Idk 😅 I don't know much about relics 😅🙈

[twilit valve]

obscure is better than EP

but either should be fine

[rapid sonnet]

They got immunity to delayed kill 🤦‍♀️

[twilit valve]

2 power on phusis then and just smack them

keep healing and cleansing tortures with osirius

[rapid sonnet]

Not working at the moment 🤦‍♀️ They get killed before getting a turn with Osirius 🙈 I'll need to head out now, but will try more later 🤔

[twilit valve]

hmm

fiddle with speed runes then, perhaps have osirius fastest and recharge some times

[rapid sonnet]

Looks like Wolperdinger’s reverse healing is the problem, so I guess I’ll need a relic to remove that if there is one 🤔

[twilit valve]

there isn't

can you kill him first?

[rapid sonnet]

They’re not fast enough

[twilit valve]

heliom is galactic so could run horn

chronicler was too good to pass up to be honest

[zealous tusk]

anyone knows when will new era comes after historia era?

[twilit valve]

1 more season

so 5 and a bit weeks i think

[zealous tusk]

Im getting bored about this era

[twilit valve]

ok

[zealous tusk]

I saw only 2 slots left in the historia book

hopefully they are the last 2 historia mons

[hollow bolt]

We got a whole month and a half left till era ends

[twilit valve]

2nd pass and FK for this season probably

then 2 more pages will be added

event board ends when the era does

[subtle valley]

1% chance 99% faith

[twilit valve]

I think you are optimistic

[supple spire]

0% chance*

[subtle valley]

0,000000000000000001%

[twilit valve]

retry it 1 trillion times

[subtle valley]

Anyway kirk for now is not a priority for me, I already have what I need, at least for now

[brave swan]

Have faith in RNGesus

All attacks including dmg will miss 👍

[subtle valley]

I made it to the second round, possessing tethon with lumoona every chance I got, but in the end I died.

[brave swan]

sad

They're surprisingly beatable tho. Isetis has access to poison or I'd prob complete it.

[elfin whale]

whats the best set up for kirk for the JJ boss in his saga?

in the challenge mode

i cant get past the 2nd wave no matter the debuffs from the tank nuke me every time

i got kirk at 147

[static crater]

Anyone got context on this please? 😂

[twilit valve]

it's a trap

[wheat wolf]

howw

[azure juniper]

Why am I staring down a level 150 Anwir Paincraver

[zealous tusk]

I need me some help, I'm in normal mode

cant beat second wave

[twilit valve]

because you have a level 150 monster

[zealous tusk]

hi pyro pls help ty love you (as a friend)

[azure juniper]

No I don't

[twilit valve]

what's your highest level monster

that node path is probably telling you the wrong level

[zealous tusk]

h-hi pyro!!!

[azure juniper]

Ok but why is Anwir Paincraver in an historia era saga

[azure juniper]

132

Tho I have a rank 5 grakon

[twilit valve]

that's only 130 fully fed

[zealous tusk]

hi pyro...

[twilit valve]

because he's in the minion pool

[azure juniper]

Theton tideborn as well?

What is weird is the perfectly normal 2nd stage

[twilit valve]

yup

[azure juniper]

[zealous tusk]

p-pywo..?

[fleet vault]

Top 10 sigma moments

[fleet vault]

Get boulderar

The goat will carry like the goat he is

Infinite turns

[zealous tusk]

how do I acquire him

[zealous tusk]

wowee

[fleet vault]

Idk cell shop? Request cells

Lvl 100 should be enough really

This is what I ran

If you have the owl talent put it on atum because death countdown will be a pain

[split flame]

damn

[lilac epoch]

Man, these modern sagas are hard as beans

[hollow bolt]

Just u wait till they release this next saga

Theyll prolly make it tough and not even consider that the faction monsters for next ancestor are garbage

[brave swan]

including the ancestor itself

[lilac epoch]

First era saga that literally nobody could finish
The next one: "Wow, what a wacky twist that was just now! Moving on-"

[brave swan]

who?

Saurians?

Yeah if it has lvl 150 ancestor synegry nodes then no sorry not happening

[azure juniper]

Half the book is uncommons and below wallahi we are cooked

[brave swan]

*you

I quit ml 😎 can't take no bad stuff anymore

[azure juniper]

[lilac epoch]

Wh
What are you doing in here then

[fleet vault]

I quit then chilled cuz the community chill

I’m back now tho Homander will come around

[lilac epoch]

How the frick am I supposed to beat these two (ignore Staukrax)
Let alone an ancestor in the next wave

[twilit valve]

runes and relics

[lilac epoch]

Is there really any combination of those that will punch through the control+taunt+regen+blinded +L+ratio

[twilit valve]

fast slumster can just keep a taunt monster evasioned

[lilac epoch]

You were RIGHT
May the Pandalf smile upon you

[fleet vault]

How do I beat this bruhh

[lilac epoch]

Rank up your guys, for one
The extra stats and evolving traits make a huge difference

Then again, I also am stuck on the exact same set

What we need is a later era monster or two with a gimmick that doesn't rely on statuses, because those artifacts won't be affected

[fleet vault]

Maybe I just need better monsters from the book if there are any

[brave swan]

skill

[twilit valve]

did you try using runes

[fleet vault]

Don’t wanna waste runes on them

[twilit valve]

just waste time failing instead

[hollow bolt]

get evaris

[fleet vault]

Fine ig

[fleet vault]

Yeah that was a waste I deal 0 damage to the enforcerion guy

[twilit valve]

you're not strong enough then

[fleet vault]

That dude has half a million hp, artifact, heal skills and gets space time

Oh and one shots the dino

[twilit valve]

was what I said unclear

[lilac epoch]

Unpopular opinion perhaps, but none of these oughta require the ancestor

[twilit valve]

the challenge mode is for getting 200 ancestor cells, and the name implies it's difficult

[lilac epoch]

Those are both story mode

[twilit valve]

don't require the ancestor then

[fleet vault]

Pointing out the problem more doesn’t help

[fleet vault]

Whaaaa

So I can replace with smthn else

[twilit valve]

Get stronger and retry, you missed all the times rewards anyway

That saga was hard even with all my monsters and runes

[fleet vault]

What are the times rewards?

[hollow bolt]

the timed rewards that last a month after the ancestor saga comes out, the gems and the 200 cells primarily

[fleet vault]

Ohh

Dang

Also how come primerion doesn’t have one of those relic dungeon things

Like it goes from griffania to evaris

But that’s it

[hollow bolt]

sp announced starting from historia era there wont be any ancestor relic dungeon and ancestor coa anymore

the pre existing ones will stay but for future ancestor there wont be any

the relic is replaced with the tier 3 and 4 in era saga

[fleet vault]

That kinda sucks

[hollow bolt]

and the cells from the coa are replaced with the limited time 200 from challenge mode

[fleet vault]

Oh

So It’s not that bad

I’m only just getting ant sisters anyway why am I worrying

💀⁉️

[twilit valve]

Yea 200 free cells if you get the ancestors as they come out is lovely, having to do 40 days of coa was not worth waiting for, and it just adds even more scrolling on to actually useful coas

[hollow bolt]

its a change for the better, yeah

u get 200 cells there and then

cause aint no damn soul farming coas for 40 days

[lilac epoch]

But then it's only for heavy spenders who actually get the ancestor that early on 🤔

[hollow bolt]

u have 5 weeks to get the ancestor, get it ready to fight, and complete its saga

and thats if ur even interested on those 200 cells

cause most of the time ull either need the cells but ur ancestor wont be strong enough to get there or itll be strong enough but by then u wont even need the cells

[twilit valve]

You don’t need to be a spender at all to get the ancestor early

AK that runs MLG is f2p and gets every ancestor in a couple of days

[lilac epoch]

It just took me 5 months to get any ancestor at all, with the same cave strategy as anyone else
Anything gated behind a lottery is going to do that at times, and with a time-limited thing being your only other method, then you're out of luck

[twilit valve]

You just need to get enough tickets every month

28 free attempts at cave to get 8-10k tickets

[lilac epoch]

Who is making 300 tickets per run on average 0_0
On a good day, if I'm lucky and shell out some gems too, I make it out with 400-600 tickets
That happens maybe once a week

[brave swan]

How disconnected from reality are you ☠️

You can definitely do it f2p but NOT with free runs.

[twilit valve]

You only have to get to 25 a handful of times in a month

[twilit valve]

Reread what I said

[brave swan]

^

what is this supposed to mean

[twilit valve]

That you have 28 free attempts at cave

[brave swan]

to get 8-10k tickets?

[twilit valve]

And you need to get 8-10k tickets

[brave swan]

Yes you quite easily need a few hundred entries to cave to get 8-10k tickets. The free attempts don't add up to much.

[twilit valve]

They add up to 28

[brave swan]

fair

[lilac epoch]

I'm so done with the stamina eater teams
Every monster out of two sets stacked to the gills with the same stamina drain relics juuust to make sure you enter the second battle completely sapped and at low health
Maybe try fighting me without 12 extra turns

[lilac epoch]

Not that it's even necessarily bad as an occasional battle gimmick
It just uh... does not exactly make for fun or exciting fights, especially when it's so many fights in a row that do this

[azure juniper]

Strong stamina drain relics are the worst kind of relics

[twilit valve]

False

[azure juniper]

What makes you want throw yourself out a window more

[twilit valve]

People posting insensitive comments on the internet

[hollow bolt]

Trait disable on genezas essence random debuff

[brave swan]

skill issue

[lilac epoch]

Holy smokes

Ratchet it down a notch or two, Tyr

This game has kids playing

[brave swan]

real

[zealous tusk]

lmao

[fluid pelican]

But most kids skip dialogue

[twilit valve]

not just kids

[vital glacier]

I skip them cuz i just want to finish the saga fast🤷

[twilit valve]

i skip them because i don't want the story

[vital glacier]

One more reason to skip

[lilac epoch]

What kind of level 6 is this 😭

[twilit valve]

A wet one

[zealous tusk]

Anyone understand what linneaus saga is about?

I don't quite get the story mode

Like... Before I fight sibidu (the cutscene) Linneaus goes : Spare us, let us live

Something like that, linneaus is begging for his live

Cutscene after I beat sibidu goes like this : Sibidu blames Shamanka for his loss and Shamanka says The magic that kills Sibidu's tribe is from water, Now Shamanka is blaming the water

Explain to me in an easy way please

Thanks

[hollow bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/big-boss-thumbs-up-nod-computer-parody-gif-5038516

[rich lark]

First ever era finished

(I am so stipid bcs on my old acc i could have done so much sagas, but i never checked them)

[buoyant apex]

Can diabolus and evaris clear their own saga and dungeons?

[twin bough]

Kind of yh
I cleared 90% of diabolus era saga with 2 other random 100's
It's an hit and try method tho.
Evaris yh he dies and resurrect every teammate so yh

[buoyant apex]

Any other r3 Ancestors that can clear saga besides JJ, Mater, Dia, and Evaris?

[hollow bolt]

just rank the ancestor up and itll clear its saga bro

[lilac epoch]

Wow, that was the most obnoxious fight I've ever slogged through. Finally, time to

NOOOOOOOOOO

[rancid basin]

There is nothing we can do 😔

[lilac epoch]

I think it's over, gang
My turbo-patience gambit formulated to win against Theton and the dual Control firehose cannot handle five tortures applied per second

[rancid basin]

For the next soldier

[lilac epoch]

what

Excuse me?
I beg your pardon??

I... I have done all of the other Historia sagas
WHY is this one so much harder than the rest?
....TWO sorcerices??
Do I have to have level 150s? 😫

This isn't even, like, the end of the saga
This is level 12

Don't even get me started on this monstrosity

[lilac epoch]

hey...... that doesn't look like my level 12

Is this like... a thing? Once you pass a certain level, or on the last one? Perhaps?

Because this Youtube guy's saga isn't just completely different, it also makes more sense
He's fighting underworld monsters instead of, oh, every other ancestor and faction in existence

This section of the saga has the first wave be modern, level 140, same-faction monsters, a different one every time, and then the second wave is just older, level 90 fiery forces monsters

I seriously think they've been replaced by a "challenge" set

[twilit valve]

that last node was really annoying

[languid mural]

fr

[lethal magnet]

How did u get the last node

Show rune and skills build

[languid mural]

3 X speed on R5 Stina. 2 VIII speed, 1 VIII team speed on R1 Doc Clockshock and R1 Junkowl.

[lethal magnet]

Thanks

Just beat it though

I had to use lucky clint to apply tortures

40 minutes of trying to get it

[languid mural]

Nice. Yeah, kill Stina with tortures before she awakens

[lethal magnet]

If your torture appliers die she becomes invincible

[languid mural]

This happened a lot of times

[lethal magnet]

Same

Except tikanii survived

[twilit valve]

I took about that long with bando and then I swapped to mad country

restarted every time that monster died

because tikaani and stina can't beat them

[lethal magnet]

That's how it was for me

[twilit valve]

the activation not being what it says it is is annoying

[lethal magnet]

It took my a while to figure out that taunt disable works against status casters

[twilit valve]

yea all trait disablers work against traits

SCs are traits, but they apply a positive effect after they trigger

[lethal magnet]

Aspero would always 1 tap my lucky clint

After a bit they weren't a problem

Once lucky clint died all i could apply was boiling and nanovirus which does nothing against a seemingly invincible monster

[twilit valve]

yea

if stina activated at the end of her own turn though, she would have died to them

[lilac epoch]

How come the BaroneX is the wastelands leader again in the latest saga?
She was replaced with Butcherang and demoted to garbage collector back in the Metropolitan

[plucky dust]

how u guys beat this?

i cant beat those artifacts

[twilit valve]

who do you have

[plucky dust]

i always lose when primerion awaken

[twilit valve]

keep replaying it until tikaani gets their ultimate move

and trait disable the artifacts

[plucky dust]

😭

okei

[lethal magnet]

Dont run full strength on lucky

Run speed and use him to apply tortures on the final node

[halcyon venture]

i cant beat the 2nd lase node on steam bandit era saga any tips? (The gardenion just spam heals bruh)

I have almost every wasteland mythic and I have the new ancestor at level 134

[sage oak]

I also hate the heal factor use aloe death to counter it

[halcyon venture]

?

[sage oak]

I mean the heal thing is most annoying use the monster ( Aloe Death ) to counter it

[halcyon venture]

but garderion has artifact so you cant reverse or negate heal

[sage oak]

Or you can use a monster with death countdown because no matter what there health is they will get killed after 3 turns

[halcyon venture]

but theres artifact

[sage oak]

So kill him with different moves

Kill the rest two with these effects first then rush for the artifact

[halcyon venture]

have you even tried the 2nd to last node?

its all artifacts, you need a trait disable monster but there are none in the wasteland faction (that I know of) except a few of them with there ultimate

[twilit valve]

I just replayed it until tikaani got an ult, but if you have the runes for it you can just use that fire campanion

[sage oak]

How is the saga of the r3 mythical which was in cave yesterday

[buoyant apex]

Which of the following Ancestor is worth for team wars and sagawise: Stina, Anwir, Kirk, Griffania, Baba?

[twilit valve]

depends how hard your wars are and who else you have to replace them

[halcyon venture]

tikaani is the only wasteland monster I dont have . . . . (Except for the 2 new ones from the legends pass that just came out and some metro era wasteland monsters)

[twilit valve]

you can use bandolero to take out garden

[halcyon venture]

I have bandolero 140 with level 7 runes and its still not enough damage to defete garerion

[twilit valve]

level 7 strength?

[halcyon venture]

yea

[twilit valve]

should be fine using a fire damage move

[halcyon venture]

I have it didnt do enough damage to 1 tap garderion and garderion just healed to quicly for me to defete it, even when I used tripple damage then its fire skill it still didnt 1 tap garderion

[hollow bolt]

better runes then

[halcyon venture]

there is also kromition and primerion time stoping and cooldown activating and reducing my accuracy and controling me so its very hard to win

[twilit valve]

prime dies to tortures

use stina alternating cda and the 2 stam drain moves

you can let garden take their first turn because they heal both teams

[halcyon venture]

Yea but I dont deal enough damage to beat garderion, stina does little to no damage at all and garderion heals to much

[twilit valve]

stina is there to control them

garden can't heal with no stamina and CDA

[halcyon venture]

garderion healing skill is 0 stamina and 0 cooldown

thats why hes so good

[twilit valve]

he doesn't have that equipped

[halcyon venture]

so he littarly can

[halcyon venture]

I just tried and didnt even come closer to winning because primerion got its ultimate after 2 turns and defeted me with cursed countdown

[lilac epoch]

Do it again then
That's kind of how these are anyway unless you come overpowered, have to get good RNG

[sage oak]

Use a reverse or negative healing effect monster like aloe death

[halcyon venture]

You cant guarderion has artifact so negate and reverse healing doesnt work

[sage oak]

Then kill his teammates first then use your high damaging attacks against him

[lilac epoch]

It's going to be kind of hard killing two artifacts while Gardenion is healing them

[sage oak]

Hmm the only thing I can say is that use your best attacks ever possible use strength runes of high level and use rune lords

[buoyant apex]

Someone show me the team for Xandrite saga pls, i'm stuck at challenge mode node 11

[hollow bolt]

just rank up xandrite a bit and have some up to date magic council monsters, easy

[halcyon venture]

I needed extreme rng to beat it, I used xandrite I think it was 126? Maybe 130 (i have him maxed now) and I think I used 100 azajin and 126 master goldfield, I used xandrite to posses enemys and hope they kill eachother, azajin as a tank for taunt + dodge area and master goldfield was there to remove negatives and trait disable because in the final node the enemys have immune to control so I disabled that and controled with xandrite, azajin also has tortures that helped a lot

[buoyant apex]

tysm

[zealous tusk]

Can anyone explain the Diabolus era saga story mode?

The cutscene thing

I don't quite get the lore

[twilit valve]

all the lore is just pressing the skip button in the top right

[sage oak]

Fr

[opaque haven]

Don't worry, you're not missing out on anything if you don't read it. The entire Diabolus chapter is about Barbatos Rex lying about how he came up with a plan to lock Diabolus in the ice ring and have control of the Underworld. If you want to know the real facts, it's better to watch Graciel's chapter 🥺👍

If you still want to watch the Diabolus episode anyway, here I'll leave you the link to a video so you can watch it

I can't put it xd

Just search for it as "Historia Era Saga Ch. 2: Underworld Dwellers" and you will find it

[zealous tusk]

Ye the lore is just barbatoz rex

Mostly

But ik, i don't miss any reward, but i want to know the lores

[opaque haven]

Yes, the lore of this game is actually very good and it is the main reason why I play it.

[sage oak]

You people watch the whole episode dang

The only episode I watched was the first one in nuke aura saga and I skipped every single of them in every single saga I played

[lilac epoch]

I mean
If you don't care about the backstory, why do you play
Just to get the guys who have the best movesets?
The game would be a little flat for me if it was just combat and zero indication of any reason for all these wacky characters to be fighting

[twilit valve]

it's just pokemon

[lilac epoch]

That's why I never liked pokemon
They like to sling things into the descriptions like "this guy can generate 10 billion volts"

[twilit valve]

that's what happens when you read things

[lilac epoch]

They need nitpickers like me in the fandom or they start doing dumb plot holes

Like the one recently where they forgot they already got rid of the Baronex

[twilit valve]

just don't have a plot

[lilac epoch]

Just think of little Timmy who is 6 years old and developing logic and reason entirely by watching ML cutscenes

[twilit valve]

you want me to think of 6 year olds?

[lilac epoch]

On second thought, maybe not you

[twilit valve]

i don't know if that's better or worse

[lilac epoch]

You should try chess
There's 0 lore, and 0 minors too

[twilit valve]

there's lots of lore in chess

chess is a memory game

[lilac epoch]

Only if you count all the named strategic openings and gambits as canonical events in the past of Left Knight

[twilit valve]

is that in response to lore or memory?

[lilac epoch]

Lore

[twilit valve]

you've got lots of famous games, the origins of it, variations of the game

checkmate comes from the persion phrase Shah Mat meaning "the king is helpless"

there's a best move from every position - if you learn all of them then you've completed chess - there's no RNG

that's the whole point of Fischer Random

[lilac epoch]

An interesting interpretation
And not an invalid one
It's not the same thing in the sense of "story", though
ML has the same sort of strategic history, with the evolution of the player's repertoire over time, etc, but that's different in a categoric sort of way from storyline

[twilit valve]

it is lore

the lore of ML is what players/teams scored in what position at the end of each event

the order things were released in

some monster being some other monsters daughter is irrelevant

especially in a game with breeding events

[lilac epoch]

Yes
Because these are two separate domains
You don't seem to have much enthusiasm for the Watsonian lore, but that doesn't mean it's without worth

[twilit valve]

only lore I recognise is that Hayman is the greatest monster

[lilac epoch]

Fair enough

The fanbase here sometimes reminds me of these guys

[twilit valve]

why does it need to be any more than that?

baba shaves his left armpit on tuesdays and his right armpit on thursdays

[lilac epoch]

The general concept of fiction

[twilit valve]

who cares

[lilac epoch]

The majority of humanity

[twilit valve]

you want the history of what didn't happen

instead of the history of what did

[lilac epoch]

I mean, I could argue that fiction provides the means to visualize scenarios before they happen, strengthening humans' ability to handle new situations as they grow, and more broadly, paving the way for technological/societal progress

[twilit valve]

if it was foreshadowing, sure

[lilac epoch]

But mostly I just think it would be depressing to be entirely uninterested in such a fundamental staple of having fun

[twilit valve]

some bad wolf style stuff would be great

whatever era the lord was in had a bit of that

corrupted?

[lilac epoch]

Yah

[twilit valve]

a whole era of making the lord this mysterious figure and then a lacklustre ending

[lilac epoch]

I think they are a little limited by having to wrap everything up within the era

[twilit valve]

in 8 seasons

[lilac epoch]

Also I kind of think they're not having the writers read everything anymore

[twilit valve]

2 sagas a season

it's funny you think they have writers

[lilac epoch]

Who is it then
One guy in the mop closet

[twilit valve]

chat gpt

going back to chess, have a look at gotham's video on chatgpt playing stockfish

outstanding move

[lilac epoch]

That one was pretty funny

Also a good demonstration of the difference there

Actually, I'm kind of surprised they haven't tried to pull the "parallel universes" built in excuse for inconsistencies

[twilit valve]

we're in a game where "ancestors" are introducing themselves and their companions in order of stats

not sure there's any fixing of stories

[lilac epoch]

What do you mean
The staggered release to line up with season drops?

[twilit valve]

they are ancestors

as in ancient

they've been here for eons

yet conveniently releasing themselves once per season and with a stat jump every era

[lilac epoch]

True 😌
I feel like that's a little more forgivable
They have some kind of excuse for it for most of them

[twilit valve]

the excuse is money

[lilac epoch]

Honestly it would be hard to come up with a different way to structure such a game as long as they want to also have the combat

[twilit valve]

exactly why they shouldn't try

[sage oak]

You better don't message with Pikachu ( not in a rude way ) XD

[opaque haven]

Actually, Lord Nebotus' terror extended through the following eras. There was always a moment when it seemed like he was going to return but he didn't, like the OG Bone chapter, at the beginning of the Wild Era with Elfriede (not to mention that he is also mentioned at the end of this era in Zahra VS Nishant), in the Galactic Era in the Ra'Zhul Doom chapter, etc. Another thing, what Nebotus did caused the Doomsday Era and the Wild Era to exist.

[opaque haven]

Monsters' stats are not directly related to their actual power in the lore. Otherwise, we'd have monsters like Uriel with infinite stats because he's literally a God.

[opaque haven]

Using an AI for this kind of thing is very inconsistent, the AI doesn't even know that ML has lore when you ask it and will forget past events, plus the lore exists before AIs appear.

[opaque haven]

Not all of them have been here for eons, and most of them have a good reason for their disappearance. Diabolus is locked away, Xandrite doesn't care what happens outside and prefers to study undisturbed (he even made himself a mini pocket dimension to be alone), other ancestors like Griffania, Theton, Robur, Khalorc and Tyr are from such a distant past that they had to be summoned, Jestin was dead (it would be a good reference if he was killed by The Judgement), etc. By the way, Stina is so far the only example I can think of of an ancestor who hasn't lived that long. To be an ancestor you only need to cause the faction to appear or be highly relevant to that faction since its inception.

[twilit valve]

Then ancestor is the wrong name for them

[opaque haven]

Why? That's literally what they are, the oldest and founding members of the faction, in fact there are factions that have not existed for even 10 years like Soul's Den which was created when Nebotus took power in the Corrupted Era

[twilit valve]

Ancestor has the implication of being a really long time ago

[opaque haven]

But that doesn't mean they've been around for eons, that always depends, there you have Graciel who has been around for a very long time.

[twilit valve]

But made himself known right when his stats matched up with the era

[opaque haven]

Stats are for the game, otherwise it would be very unbalanced (for example, Uriel should have infinite stats because he is God)

[sage oak]

All the ancestors according to lore can destroy all the enemies at once

Even legendaries can destroy your whole Island according to their bio

[twilit valve]

So the story doesn’t add up

What’s the point of having lore if it’s pointless

[sage oak]

To tell us their past and also to make people busy in their game to increase play time 👀

[twilit valve]

I don’t understand why people would waste their time reading lies

[lilac epoch]

The stats also aren't as totally disconnected from the lore as they could be

The thing with changing eras and new balances of power constantly rotating in as they discover stronger materials is canonical

I can imagine the longtime leaders of factions would have more access to resources to keep up power-wise too

[sage oak]

Shibudu the apex is the most bad ancestor not powerwise but story wise

[lilac epoch]

He just has trauma 🥺

[sage oak]

He is a hunter who wants to kill lion fr

[opaque haven]

That’s right, the power-up materials are canon but there’s not much difference between them, you can take Dark Voltaik as an example, he consumed Lutum instead of Nebula and still his stats are more comparable to a Metropolitan than a Corrupted. The power-ups are real but there’s not much difference between consuming one, another, acquiring more power through other means (Nishant fusing with Xiron’s Essence) or simply training (Olan is very strong despite not being powered up, another example would be Uriel who didn’t receive any power-up in the Doomsday Era, he just changed his clothes and I know I’ve mentioned this many times but he doesn’t need to power up since he’s the most powerful monster in the entire verse)

[opaque haven]

Because it's entertaining and very exciting to see what happens next as if it were a series?

[sage oak]

Yeah

[twilit valve]

Meh

[opaque haven]

Anyway, you can keep playing just focusing on PvP. Everyone has fun in their own way, there's no need to discredit the lore just because you're not interested Xd

[twilit valve]

I don’t focus on PvP

[opaque haven]

So collecting I guess

[lilac epoch]

Uriel is also pretty hands-off, it makes sense for that form to be an avatar of him that isn't necessarily all of the power he could muster

We don't really know what the power levels of the general population look like either, since we're zeroed in on the conflicts of the most powerful players on the field
I imagine there are a lot of equivalents to commons - epics that exist day to day and don't have the raw magic power or the importance to need to go beyond that

[opaque haven]

Excuse me, I didn't understand you well, what do you mean?

[lilac epoch]

Whatever monsters live in the world offscreen, that aren't the powerful, world-changing key players like the ones we're getting

[opaque haven]

But I think there are some of those, a few examples that come to mind right now would be Bayworker Hulk, Grimmie, Preston, Joltlene, Firesaur Treat and I'm sure there are many more if we search Monstagram

@lilac epoch I forgot to tag Xd

[twilit valve]

yes

[lilac epoch]

Those are mostly "civilians", but I think they still have higher tier powers than their peers

Firesaurs seem to be some sort of lineage, but Firesaur Treat is clearly an individual of them with different abilities

To be fair, the Citizens book also seems to just be inhabitants of Monstertown who aren't part of the Elektra Patrol or any other faction

[opaque haven]

There are still monsters that go unnoticed and are not from the "citizens" faction such as Phyreas, Killamancer, Murk, Kemoni, Aquatorum, Frosilka, etc. I had mainly mentioned many citizens because they are the ones who usually have less power as they are mere citizens and not combatants.

[opaque haven]

Firesaur Treat is actually just a baby Firesaur with nothing special going for it, its stats and abilities are mostly for gameplay. Otherwise, it would be obvious that Firesaur Treat is not a normal Firesaur.

[lilac epoch]

I'm not sure what you're going for, then
Those are all combat-capable members of factions

[lilac epoch]

Firesaur Treat is stated to be a potential threat to other monsters if he's upset, and obviously most Firesaurs aren't such a huge threat that their literal toddlers are dangerous

[opaque haven]

Most of them are, but there are some like Fundy who comes from another city (it is not mentioned which one) or others like Influxer or McCreamy who, due to their context, can be assumed not to be from Monstown (although Influxer could be, after his separation with Dr. Viktor).

[opaque haven]

Yes, most factions are prepared for combat, especially some like the Dark Blades or the League of Hunters.

I admit that this is strange but it is still plausible, after all they are still Saurians.

[lilac epoch]

Ones like those guys may not appear much in the sagas, but they're still relevant members of factions, which grant monsters in them protection and sway in a very hostile society
As opposed to like, a Bumblesnout that lives alone

By which we can glean that they're either powerful enough, important enough or both to be within the fold

[opaque haven]

In that case, there are some factionless monsters that live their own lives like Vrak Shriker, although I can't think of many right now, but I can think of others that are within factions but are not relevant to them like Ambisonic, Orba Flami, Pulse Bane, Dryathin, Piraterko, Terroseth, etc.

[lilac epoch]

The ones that are explicitly not inside a faction usually have their abilities outlined in a way that shows how they live outside of one

E.g. Vrak Shriker has a boatload of stolen turbo-weapons

[lethal magnet]

Uriel did use the ambrosia to level up what?

[opaque haven]

No, Uriel did not use Ambrosia to increase his power.

[lethal magnet]

Just because uriel was the first monster doesn't automatically mean he's the most powerful too

[opaque haven]

In fact yes, in the story of Graciel it is mentioned that he created everything and everyone.

[lethal magnet]

His description or his saga?

[opaque haven]

His extended story

In the support

[lethal magnet]

Where

[opaque haven]

Inside the game there is a section called "support" with extended stories of almost all mythical monsters and some legendary ones.

In those extended stories, things are mentioned that could not be mentioned in the descriptions due to lack of space.

[lethal magnet]

Did voltaik take in pure lutum or the de-materialized version

[opaque haven]

Lutum from Anwrikah's head, to me it looked pretty pure

You can see that in the OG Bone episode

[lethal magnet]

Oh dang

So uriel is just god

Wow

[opaque haven]

I was the same when I saw it Xd

[lethal magnet]

Episode??

[opaque haven]

Chapter, is that I am using a translator

[lethal magnet]

Oh

Why do the descriptions mention earth so much if the name of their monster planet is petra

[opaque haven]

In what descriptions was Earth mentioned? Yes I remember seeing it but I don't remember where specifically

[lethal magnet]

Uriel

[opaque haven]

Oh, back then the lore of Monster Legends wasn't very well defined and several things changed over time (there are no more floating islands). You can take the appearance of the mythicals as a soft reboot (although I think the name change to Petra had already been done before the mythical) where some unfinished plots are removed (like Faraday's) and everything is much more consistent

In fact, at that time Elektra didn't exist either so they were all on the same planet, which could be a bit strange in some circumstances.

[lethal magnet]

No more floating islands? Wdym

[opaque haven]

No, the closest thing would be that Petra is now divided into north, south, east and west. In the era saga it is much clearer

[lilac epoch]

They also referenced Greek gods a fair bit, which is a bit strange

[opaque haven]

Pretty strange actually, I would have liked them to continue with that and have some Greek gods Xd

While it's not too late to have gods, it may be the next rarity. Within two eras they will run out of factions to grant ancestors and we'll see what they do next.

[lilac epoch]

That's a good point
Though I'd be surprised if they went for gods or deities or anything like that anytime soon
It would be very hard to top if they ever needed to go up another tier

[opaque haven]

@lilac epoch I think it's more appropriate to use this channel Xd

Do you need some chapters?

Do you plan to upload other types of content to your channel? I have a lot of ideas

[lilac epoch]

If you happened to have full clips from the seasonal sagas I've missed, but otherwise everything's up to date

I wouldn't mind hearing your ideas though

[opaque haven]

I know a playlist with most of them but only one is in English and... it has a low quality Xd

[opaque haven]

Ok, I have prepared a much longer text than the one I sent in the other channel >:D

xd

[lilac epoch]

Uh oh

[opaque haven]

The main reason is that I also had a Monster Legends channel but it is in Spanish. Wait a minute, I'm going with the first idea

The message is too long, I have to send it in pieces xd

The first idea is a philosophical video called "What is Monster Legends?" I asked several friends that question, and most answered that it’s just a game. The point of this video is to draw an analogy with the SCP Foundation since they share quite a few similarities—the only real difference being that ML has an interactive game. Here’s something I wrote about this idea:

"Monster Legends is a game, but could it be more than just a game? Let’s compare it to something—like the SCP Foundation.

At first glance, Monster Legends and the SCP Foundation seem vastly different—one is a game, the other a collection of stories. But beneath the surface, they share something deeper: both are ever-expanding universes, where stories are never truly complete but are built as people engage with them.

If we look at it differently, the Monstagram is similar to a series of SCP documents. Each monster has a unique description, a purpose (most of them, at least :v), and a backstory that invites speculation. How did it become what it is now? What caused that scar? Where is it headed, and what will it become? The sagas of the eras function like official records the SCP Foundation would publish about major events, leaving deliberate gaps for fans to fill in with their own theories. Who created and how was Primerion Unimate built? What happened to Primigenius and Lord Mammoth? What did Phyreas encounter on his journey? What happened to Hellmut Hoyt, and what is Alchemystic hiding? What was the fate of Frazerot and Murk?

These questions are just like the unresolved mysteries in SCP reports, where each story seems to connect to a greater narrative—but never in an explicit way.

Just as SCPs are shaped by users who create and expand the lore, Monster Legends can have a community that doesn’t just play the game but adds to its universe—through fan-created lore like Judge Beholder, intriguing theories, and new concepts that feel like part of the world. Even the debates over what is canon and what isn’t resemble the SCP Foundation’s discussions about timelines, theories, and cross-projects.

If we think about it carefully, the Monster Legends universe has the potential to become a narrative phenomenon—not identical to SCP, but similar. With a rich yet fragmented story, it gives players the freedom to explore, interpret, and add meaning to what already exists, shaping their own canon. It’s more than just a game because it allows each player to be both a beginner and a creator, keeping its world alive beyond official content.

What if, one day, Monster Legends had its own equivalent of "SCP archives"? Maybe it already does—in the imagination of fans like you."

@lilac epoch What do you think? 🥺

PD: Judge Beholder is a monster that a friend of mine invented as a possible ancestor of the faction of Bandolero (I don't know how to say "Los Páramos" in English Xd), he did it during the multiversal era

[lilac epoch]

Well, the two aren't dissimilar in that their lore is modular
Honestly though, I'm not sold that the player base is much an active participant in it
Let alone to the degree of SCP, something entirely reader-made

[opaque haven]

Exactly :v

Ok no 😔

The second idea is basically a "how to understand the story of Monster Legends?". Something very necessary, really, and I think the title speaks for itself Xd

The third idea is a "Debunking the tricks of the Treasure Cave", those things really tire me out -.-

I have written quite a few things about that third idea that could disprove those tricks. What do you think about those two ideas? 🥺

Then I have others but they are of lesser weight like the fourth idea which is a debate between you and some AI about the history of ML. The AI with a position against and you with a position in favor, it is more than anything a humorous video since the answers that the AI gives, although sometimes it has good points, are usually funny to refute Xd

The fifth idea is a video showing internal stories that took place in some eras but were not shown either due to lack of time or because they came out in later eras, some examples would be Wabeblaze in the multiversal and Blackbarry in the galactic respectively

The sixth idea is similar but would be more about showing subtle connections of monsters like Primigenius and Lord Mammoth, Frazerot and Murk, Lamia and Zeighar, Mollugh and Turtle Murtle, those kinds of stories that you would only find out about by reading the extended stories on the support

The seventh idea would be a video with a timeline of most events in history or at least the most important ones

The eighth idea is a theory I have that Ahma Niah could be a Queen Zahra from another universe... I swear I have proof xd

The ninth idea is a video showing the power scale of the monsters within the lore, that is, the most powerful monsters within the story

Something like that

1. Uriel
2. Graciel
3. Evaris
4. Xandrite
5. Cthulhu

The tenth idea is similar but with the monsters that had the most impact on the story, Nebotus would definitely be very high on this list Xd

The eleventh idea is to talk about the monsters that disappeared from ML like Faraday, Hornet, The Firestorm, Osur, Zeighar, Draghar, I prefer to think that they are not dead but Firestorm and Osur have a high probability of being dead Xd

@lilac epoch I have more ideas but what do you think of these? 🥺

[hollow steeple]

Firestorm isn't dead he is cursed to become comestorm

[lilac epoch]

Hm
I have a little interest in something like a timeline that's more concrete in terms of content, but I don't have any actual video-making knowledge outside of the basic merging I've done before

The treasure cave thing really could use debunking, but I don't think we have enough proof for a video unless someone has the code for it

[opaque haven]

The Cometstorm comes from another universe in which he was never part of the Elektra Patrol and the last thing we heard about our Firestorm is that Solarflare went to get revenge for what he did to Sunblast and since then Firestorm has not been seen or mentioned again Xd

[opaque haven]

It's actually simpler than it sounds, there are many fallacies in the cheats that can be used to discredit them and other aspects of the game that can be extrapolated onto the treasure cave 🥺👍

[opaque haven]

If you want I can help you get started, with practice you will improve and create better quality content 🥺👍

Although my edition is not the best either Xd

If you want to see it, my name is "Two Days+"

[opaque haven]

By the way, in the Galactic Era we had Preston who was another being of pure fire who wanted to be a superhero. Maybe it's a nod to The Firestorm and the Elektra Patrol didn't accept him so as not to repeat the same mistake they made with The Firestorm but these are just assumptions, although it could be a nice wink Xd

[lilac epoch]

What's stopping you from making these videos yourself?

[opaque haven]

My Pokémon content and that I start university on Monday 🥺

[halcyon venture]

I need help I cant beat last node of stina steam bandit era saga

this is what ive got is it possible to beat last node?

[twilit valve]

Use team speed runes to make stina faster, and strength runes to make bandolero hit harder

Run all 3 area denial skills on stina

[lethal magnet]

Record the fight so i can see your dilema

Is it the stina 1 on 1 problem?

[halcyon venture]

the recording would be too long to send

[halcyon venture]

I just tried again and recorded it so I could show you, my problem was the stina on the 2nd node keeps getting awakening and healing I couldnt figure out how to beat it, but I littarly just beat the 1 time I was recording it 😅

[halcyon venture]

yes that was the problem

I finally beat it thanks to torvax mask for curse and boiling from stina combined + getting stine to about 60% life so it didnt get torture immunity to beat it

[lethal magnet]

Nice

I'm exited for the new ancestral saga next week

I wonder how the rocky peeks in going to play a role in this era 🤔 🪨 👀

[halcyon venture]

maybe something to do with the ice melting from the mountains? But I would think its more related to sumitfolk then rocky peaks

I dont see how dark blades ties into it either

next era should be like abominations and space defenders that would be awesome

ide love to see how a abomination ancestor turns out

[lethal magnet]

Smart

I predicted the wastelands would have some correlation to sentium

Which is now obviously the cure

[halcyon venture]

also wasnt there supposed to be a feral slothunder or some? Also what happened to bella bal and king charmless from the start of the era?

[lethal magnet]

They were relevant at the end of Linnaeus's saga

[halcyon venture]

I barely remember linius I want areply button for old sagas

or atleast post like all era saga cut scenes on there youtube chanel

that would be dope

[lethal magnet]

They used to

ML wiki or smth

[lethal magnet]

You should put that in ideas

[halcyon venture]

I put ability to rewatch old era sagas in ideas but ok

[halcyon venture]

so is it 200 cells obtainable in new era saga?

for cliffbreaker

[lilac epoch]

Honestly don't know what could fit in that first blank
Maybe they have their own profanity 😌

[zealous tusk]

That's wild

[twilit valve]

Both of the words are Smurf

[halcyon venture]

no, I am groot

[hollow steeple]

Why my message got deleted and what was that

[buoyant apex]

I'm grinding for Ancestral relic tier 4 so which era saga is easier to clear among the following 3: Graciel, Xandrite or Enkidu?

[supple spire]

graciel

[sonic harbor]

I Dmed you.

[buoyant apex]

i just tried and got stuck at Graciel story mode node 6, wth is there a team comp of lv150 at easy mode?

[lilac epoch]

I had something similar happen on that same saga, it was harder than every other one and had high level modern monsters weirdly paired with lower level, story-fitting ones.

[hollow steeple]

Why the heck they have joanter beanhunter and the electronic toy girl and chopork at such a easy node with diamond relics 💀 in literally two different sagas at same level

[buoyant apex]

which saga r u referring to?

[lilac epoch]

Celestial

[buoyant apex]

Is it the Theton node?

[lilac epoch]

That was the first one, I think
The ones after that are similarly overleveled, all the way up until the level 1 Hackster, and then it seems like the original monsters

[buoyant apex]

impossible

[twilit valve]

ok so how can i beat this saga with level 8 runes

and no monsters

[lilac epoch]

Maybe if you threw them really hard

[twilit valve]

I won

[lethal magnet]

Uriel with demonic pact

Anyone found out how to beat aaled last node?

[twilit valve]

last node is much easier than the 2 nodes before it

[shrewd hazel]

I swear that godforsaken graciel node

Is gonna make me crash out

[lethal magnet]

?

[shrewd hazel]

Adalads challenge node

2nd to last one

[obtuse egret]

I beat Graciel saga with uriel and Elvira so maybe yall should try it

[twilit valve]

they mean the node with graciel as the enemy in adelad's saga

[obtuse egret]

Oh mb I'm low-key restarted

[buoyant apex]

How can you pass the Theton node?

Should i rank up Stina to clear her saga?

[inner glacier]

Fr idk how to beat it

[lilac epoch]

Has anyone beaten the Space Defenders story mode yet
I think I might have to wait for the new monsters, there are so few modern-era ones

[hollow bolt]

U just gotta get kirk if u wanna complete it

[inner glacier]

I beat it now, you just need adalad r5 but it takes a long time

[shrewd hazel]

Fair

[lilac epoch]

I meant Space Defenders 😔

[lilac epoch]

Never mind, I got it 😌

Neither of the modern-era Space Defenders do enough damage to get through the last team, especially torture-immune Blastroodon
But they also have zero capacity to NER, so I just sent in P3R3 with Demonic Pact and it was over

[hollow bolt]

just get maximus bro

[lilac epoch]

I'm CHEAP

And I hate gambling 😫

[red timber]

Best team to complete era saga of diabolus and primerion

[hollow bolt]

Diabolus saga easy asl just get a decent ranked diabolus

[lilac epoch]

You don't say

[valid basin]

nice

guys are only the historia era sagas give tier 4 chest

[valid basin]

nah guys why 😭

i was hoping with r0 graciel i could at least finish most of story mode

but then i get this lv r2 tideborn + r2 syngery

[zealous tusk]

sorry how did you beat the one with mater genaza

when her team is like 40k+ speed and she has anti, i only got r3 akira and onibull as fury dojo members and onibull is still r0 (ignore chi ao loong)

wouldve helped if i had star sailors sword but unfort i dont

[bright kraken]

i finished this doomsday monsters lmao

[bright kraken]

and how is anwir in a historia era saga?

[lethal kestrel]

drop team setup

[lethal kestrel]

The first Master genaza isn't hard to beat but the second wave is what always gets me

[zealous tusk]

yeah im now able to 100% of the time do round 1 after i put on relics

but round 2 i just cant beat

i got 200 onibull cells so hopefully that chnages something when its lvl 110

[lethal kestrel]

the taunt monster on that second wave is the problem tbh

old era-sagas were fine idk why they had to make it harder for no reason

[zealous tusk]

yup bc you cant jst keep using ET on geneza to deal damage to it until it dies

bc onibull would otherwise take the single attacks from it

im tryna at least get stalwart asw

[lethal kestrel]

I don't use et's tho

no do i have onibull sadly

[languid mural]

This is what I used. I didn't have Onibull when I finished the saga.

[lethal kestrel]

Thanks

[zealous tusk]

appreciate it but dont got the other 2 unfort

j gotta rank up onibull and hope

[mild mauve]

i finished the alpine adventurers guild saga with 150 pangoliath and 130 pure pandalf and panion🫥

[bright kraken]

i finished tbat with 130 pango 123 pure pandalf and 130 panion

[valid basin]

ya guys think i can finish elriva saga with elriva r3 graciel r0 and visiel/cupid r1?

[lilac epoch]

mmmmaybe
The hard mode will probably stop you up at least a little though
There are some obnoxious nodes with a ton of healers and shields that will be tough to break through

[valid basin]

oh alr

[lethal kestrel]

cupid with the res block talent that has per should work

[lethal kestrel]

I have neither but i got Akira to rank 4 and finished it

I actually used some ET skills to beat geneza on the first wave

[zealous tusk]

im at 1.6k tickets rn

saving for florian malsang

[lethal kestrel]

they save to the next season?

[zealous tusk]

plan is to use dark focus before she gets to half HP

[zealous tusk]

yes

not next era

i have the sword that deals additional thunder damage + applies frosted effect

so i use dark focus before she gets below half hp for her stamina draining relic

i have 2stamina runes so i have a lot of stamina

i then use 2 more dark focuses on the monster on the top

the fastest one

i reach 0 stamina by then but ive awakened

i use the virtue to kill geneza and the top one

then i just keep recharging until i get onibull back to full HP and MT

but the problem is the 2nd wave

[lethal kestrel]

Everis sword would help

[zealous tusk]

the taunt monster has damage mirror

[lethal kestrel]

I use 2 of them

[zealous tusk]

if it didnt have it id have won

[lethal kestrel]

what I do is try to get his awakening from first wave then use it insta kill geneza then just spam et on the other 2

[zealous tusk]

i try and do that but damage mirror prevents me

[lethal kestrel]

what rank do you have him at

usually he can tank the damage no need for life runes

[zealous tusk]

3

[lethal kestrel]

exactly 130?

[zealous tusk]

opp has like 2m+ hp

[zealous tusk]

132

[lethal kestrel]

hm

makes sense

I couldn't beat that level untill i got mine to 140

it takes a bit of trial and error to finish that level ngl

but the last 2 are eaiser for some reason

by spamming dark focus and his ult you can beat the last 2 levels

but I'd suggest getting him to 140

[zealous tusk]

alr

[valid basin]

dont have that talent

[lethal kestrel]

you have Chieftain Alarorc?

[gaunt oar]

anyone got a team for beating these nodes😭😭

[valid basin]

no 😭

cant beat it either

just got r1 prim and r0 synergies tho so idk

[mild mauve]

i beat it with 130 prim and synergy team, i thought node 14 was way harder than the other 2 though

[gaunt oar]

okay ill try that out thanks

[lilac epoch]

POV: you're on an early era saga
You attack the first monster
Your entire team's stamina is drained
You spend your next turn recharging while the teeny tiny little OG monsters whale on you and apply tortures, then the turn after that stunned
Repeat three or four times
Enter second battle with 0 stamina and 2 hp and get killed by a Firesaur

[sharp dawn]

pov u got no monsters no relics no runes😭

[lilac epoch]

This isn't even a progression thing, this is just what continues to happen well after you have better monsters and eventually do win reliably
Every fight involves slogging and tanking and waiting 8 turns to get a move because of the sheer number of stamina drain relics

[sharp dawn]

stamina increase relics

[lilac epoch]

I'm gonna be real, I don't want to have to do that
I want to keep the (in-demand) ones of those I have on the monsters I picked to have them and use frequently
Instead of shunting them around

[faint terrace]

just put some tortures and deny on the last monster while you recharge

[agile girder]

If I remember right it’s the double artifact wave 2 node?

[errant turret]

P

[merry bear]

how do i get past the node in the dark blades saga with cauddart applying electrified and the two being immune to blind

my anwir cant do anything

[valid basin]

get an itt guy :)

and td

or just get some controller, make sure they cant torture u

[red oak]

What’s a good team for the barbarians era saga (I don’t have khalorc)

[hidden mantle]

just newest barbarians

[valid basin]

so its gonna be like herrio, khan cesko and some other one in multi era i forgot the name

wait there might not actually be another mon in metro era thats barbarian nvm

[lilac epoch]

Prulka worked decent with Khan (earth weakness for his tortures)

[red oak]

Yeah but then you still don’t have a chance unless khan is r3

[faint terrace]

R1 is more than enough tbh

Khalorc is torture resistant and khan is torture immune, both insanely tough to kill with solid tortures

And Khan can heal massively

[red oak]

I have both and that’s nowhere near enough

[zinc trench]

where are you struggling

[faint terrace]

oh you don't have khalorc

I forgot about that

[red oak]

I have like no damage dealing

[zinc trench]

💀 change your runes up

and r1 khan

use stamina regeneration relics

Your relics are horrible atp

[red oak]

But they’re not worth having good runes on since I don’t use gob or herr

[zinc trench]

swap full life to full team speed on cesko

and if necessary put a speed on herr

and relics can just be removed with gold

put good ones

[red oak]

Fair enough

[lilac epoch]

You might want to try swapping out the plant ones too for this one
The fire attackers are going to maul them

[hidden mantle]

which era sagas have 10 gems in wheel?

[north abyss]

Pandaken and faymalice

[zealous tusk]

any recommendations for Graciel's saga? the Theton battle is kind of unfair

[red oak]

You need Grace and his synergy team

Or Grace, Florael, and Pengunel all r2 at least

[marble ether]

Gob is worth putting good runes on tbh even if he’s old

One of the better nature monsters in the game

[red oak]

Dunno he’s not really useful for me in pvp or wars

[marble ether]

If gob is useful for my wars then he’s useful for your wars lol I imagine your team is somewhere around gold to champion I just used him in a legendary 1 war the top league in the game

[red oak]

Well i don’t have him maxed so that’s part of it

And at low ranks he’s not even close to being in my top 3 or 4 for his war restricts

[marble ether]

Monsters don’t have to be in your top 3-4 to be useful in wars that’s the beauty of wars you need a vast range of monsters in every book and element what if you have a nature war where you really need some res block and team speed on one of your attacks? Like I’m not trynna vouch for gob specifically here it’s up to you if you wanna rank him although him and dumbane are specifically the only 2 alpine monsters worth ranking up but 3-4 solid monsters per restrict is not good (aside from the tricky books like superhero, villains, etc)

[eternal moss]

I hate the superhero book man, i literally only have exothermic for it

[marble ether]

It’s so mid every war I’m forced to use jestin on defence and then use jestin, shieldbolt and superfume on attack

[eternal moss]

They shd really add more superhero mons, i'm honestly shocked they didn't introduce any during florian's month. Yaknow with the whole villain hero thing going on

Oh wait iceblood

How did i forget iceblood

[red oak]

Cerebellum?

[red oak]

That’s fair enough ig

[marble ether]

Have yet to use him I’m still ranking him up but yes he’s my other option I think mines only at like 120-126 rn

[balmy wasp]

I literally love him, I have him R3 .

[languid mural]

Florian's node 😵

[faint terrace]

That node was the most painful one

[zealous tusk]

@languid mural what team did you use

and what R

[languid mural]

R5 Dame, R1 Frank Einstein, R1 Eeehgor

[zealous tusk]

👍

[red timber]

What's with graciel era saga
It's easy mode node 6 and has 150 lvl monsters

[lilac epoch]

That one is special :)

[untold rover]

What is the best era iyo?

[north abyss]

Pandaken and faymalice

[zealous tusk]

I believe this is the closest to what I’m looking for. Is this team good for stage ten of the Era Survival Dungeon? I got to that level with just Dame, but I’m playing it safe for stage ten

[red oak]

If you get Lionel to lvl 100 and get firewarp to r1 then yeah

[zealous tusk]

i won without leveling up lionell or firewarp anymore actually

it was insanely easy too

[red oak]

Interesting

I used r4 firewarp and r2 blindsaur and i beat it

[zealous tusk]

heres mainly why

[red timber]

Need some help with team

[faint terrace]

do you have king atum?

[red timber]

No

[faint terrace]

you gotta ensure both adaled and volken survive til next wave, and that adaled is awakened and faster than salamagmer

try putting life and speed on the other two instead of forcing adaled to always be faster

[red timber]

Rune setup for adaled

[red timber]

Salamagmer one shots my adaled

[faint terrace]

make adaled faster than salamagmer

and also adaled is awakened on wave 2

[red timber]

Thanks for the help

[frigid fable]

the celestial era saga has been the hardest one ive played thus far. i cant seem to get past this stage

[full gulch]

Try to swap out the relics for ancestor relics if you have any. Also use more speed runes

Team speed on pengunel. He won't do much damage at lv 100

[arctic crane]

What did you use?

[proper condor]

Is there anywhere I can find all the cut scenes from era saga?
I really wanna start doing lore vids and readings (I can't find a single channel doing so)
But you can't watch them after finishing a section

[ivory knot]

The ML wiki uploaded on yt from the first eras, after that, there is one channel who is uploading the current saga cutscenes, I can send the link in DMS if you like

Seems like yt is the only way to rewatch those, would be nice to have a feature to look the cutscenes in-game

[proper condor]

Yes, thank you

[lilac epoch]

I'm working on some actual synopses + pages for old era and seasonal sagas
Ever wonder what the hell they did in pride month 2022? Now you can know

[lilac epoch]

They fell off a little midway through 2024
They never had plot inconsistencies before then

Christmas 2024 doesn't seem to know they used the same "Fayemalice meets Nadalotus" beat just the previous year
And they're also being robot racist to Santerion
Who had a literal saga of his own, he's not incapable of delivering presents alone

Apparently they had some weird issues with placeholder text instead of story around the same time

[lilac epoch]

ML world's layout is baffling

Elektra and Petra are two totally separate planets in different galaxies
And there are some monsters who live in spaceships or on random other planets
That much is consistent

Rewatching Luthien's saga, apparently (as of the Galactic Era at least) there are exactly four portals on Petra that link it to space
But the one in Monstelvania is the ONLY one that goes to Elektra

How are the two planets so involved with each other if any communication or commerce has to take place through Fampirastral's bedroom?

It's not like they have spaceports everywhere

[untold rover]

Another era saga where the main monster doesn't appear until the final cutscene

[ivory knot]

That's kinda what happens most of times (?)
The one that stands out more for me on that is the OG Bone saga, he just goes there and looks around Petra for the Lutum.
Unless some monsters can go specifically by themselves through their own portals/abilities, but only few can

[ivory knot]

These newer sagas are so underwhelming imo, because of the amount of ancestors released per season, there's barely any time or cutscenes to know most of them well or see them do anything

They had some good potential with Hounen and Akira lore but it felt so rushed, like, sure it has angst, but I don't feel as invested with them as with Jestin or Evaris

[plain vector]

Yiepp

[unkempt basalt]

ifa?

[plain vector]

Heh?

[unkempt basalt]

on the right side of your screen

[tight bone]

Even though souls lair’s ending was a bit underwhelming the era is my favorite not just because I love dark gothic fantasy but the idea of all evil factions seem consistent with the exception of the honor dojo (but as opposition so it works). It’s just a neat era where the rest feel sporadic and has given me some of my favorite monsters.

[faint maple]

ngl i wish nebotus was revived early and left with a cliffhanger of nebotus demolishing all of the good legions

also i checked and realized the abominations do not have an ancestor yet i really hope they get an ancestor next era

abominations are without a doubt my favorite faction

[jaunty dagger]

So good for relic farming and gems

[plain vector]

👀

+100 cell free

[faint maple]

eternal nebotus the goat

[lilac epoch]

Why is the multiverse saga so convoluted compared to the others
Why did everyone just go "huh, guess the time portals did it" when Jestin randomly stopped being dead
Why did Evaris take the deal in the first place if the entire company was about to revert to him regardless
Did he keep control of Z-Corp in the end or not
Why was Mater Geneza so stupid the entire time when her entire thing is at least being passable as a mega-duper-genius manipulator

I don't really expect people here to have opinions on the storylines, but I do want SP to try harder 😔

[ivory knot]

do gotta admit how they handled the ancestors was kinda confusing ngl, at least they had a role 💀 Im still so confused with like, why did Jestin revive all of sudden, im also confused at like, how long has the Elektra Patrol been around and how many of its recent members actually met Jestin before his passing

[ivory knot]

no worries, I really like over analysing the sagas, even if some do be kinda random or make not so much sense, glad some few people talk about it too

[lilac epoch]

It's really not a good sign when they start forgetting stuff about their own characters
Means any analysis goes out the window

Like
Do you guys not have a google doc
Could you not at least watch the last saga first

[ivory knot]

for what I've learned, for game storylines there should be a sort of "bible" with all the lore info for characters, but im guessing that they didn't have that at first, they just rolled with it before the corrupted saga

and for what's been said in the lore corner, they probably un-canon'd some lore bits and probably didnt really wanted to mention it anymore, but if that's not the case, then its kinda baffling how some little details can mess the timeline just a bit

hopefully if the devs decide to throw the whole story in the website like they mentioned, we could get a clearer picture of everything with ancestors included

[atomic geyser]

There is some consistent lore? O_0

I remember the ads from old times where Pandalf was human mage (No, not Gandalf). And he created a portal to escape from some evil. Of course he took his allies.

And they were turned into mons somehow after leaving the portal

[wraith cedar]

Yeah the old lore is so dead. But some bios aren't updated. Coming to monster legends in noctems desc fir example is a lil strange

[wraith cedar]

How does one defeat the final node of the souls lair era if they only have a r3 nebotus?

[faint maple]

Like the one from silk song said git gud

[wraith cedar]

Hornet

[low hearth]

get a r5 nebotus

[heady lark]

Still impossible

U need itleast decent support mons

[half hornet]

is the ancestral chest tier not tied to the era? why is the current saga last chest t5 and not t6?

[faint maple]

Find it ironic the final boss of the sagas goes from hounen in eternal nebotus to galactic cthulu in the exarch saga

[lament sinew]

The current one is gonna be exarch

[half hornet]

yes but why is it t5 and not t6 when its a new era

[lament sinew]

It is

Oh nevermind you’re right you should report that

They should fix it

[plain vector]

I understand why Geneza rejected Kirk's feelings lol

and she loves this thing of his more xD

[faint maple]

Wait Kirk had feelings for geneza?

Kirk must have low standards...

[plain vector]

i don't know what he was thinking lol but i guess Genaza could also be a crab and Kirk is an octopus and octopuses like crabs i guess

It made this clear but did not respond to him.

[wraith cedar]

even the ones befire that don't have enough filler it's crazy.

[ivory knot]

I've been replaying corrupted era dungeons and those used to have a bunch of cutscenes compared to the newer ones, even if it was just 3 lines of dialogue it was something, wish they added more in the newer sagas, at least to expand the context even more

[wanton wyvern]

is master rat alive

[wraith cedar]

Yeah he should be

[lilac epoch]

Fampirastral is into Mudster explicitly because he's made out of mud
They do things different

[solemn stream]

is it possible to brute force the exarch challenge last two stages with this? I also have an R5 hurtnivore

I'd like to avoid having to pull on exarchs banner

[half hornet]

i didnt get there with exarch💀

barely got the chest

because meh others he just has his 1 attack deny and ult pretty much

[faint maple]

Ya might be able to if ya can get mollu

[half hornet]

again i dont have any damage dealers

not real ones

boosts wont help

[faint maple]

Cirrata?

[half hornet]

need to hatch

doesnt really matter but ur right ill try to hatch soon

its like a node or two with gems

[solemn stream]

guys this is how the saga is meant to be played right

[half hornet]

yes

[exotic holly]

Easiest era sagas to complete I keep getting stuck half way thru on most

[wraith cedar]

Any old saga that you have newer mythics (or architects for)

[exotic holly]

Yhyh

[lethal kestrel]

i gotta use Everis am too poor for the new monster

[faint maple]

Evaris is still a good mon

[obtuse ridge]

Enforcerion solos (though I'm glad bruno never used his ult)

[faint maple]

Enforcerion being the underated goat he is

[fleet vault]

What rank?

Fellas there profit on the line is this worth it?

[exotic holly]

She's worth getting r3 for bounty hunt

[wraith cedar]

Evaris

[fleet vault]

Jackpot

[coarse quartz]

that is so sad

[fleet vault]

Can any r0 ant sister clear their saga?

[coarse quartz]

🐜 🧔‍♀️

[fleet vault]

Wow I guess I should get him next

[twin mauve]

R2 voreth and R2 hounen can clear their sagas

[arctic crane]

I did voreth's with him being r1

And got him to rank 2 by the end of it

[twin mauve]

Story mode or hard mode?

[arctic crane]

Both

His instakill skill came in clutch

[twin mauve]

Nice

[raw anchor]

75% for instakill goes hard

[fleet vault]

Isn’t it 50%?

[arctic crane]

50% with two chances

[fleet vault]

Oh wow

[faint maple]

I'm pretty sure the math on that is around a 75% chance

[plain vector]

~
Evaris R1 is insane.

[urban orchid]

We know I just solos the Colosseum last level with him alone lol

[loud storm]

I’m stuck on this nodes!🤨

[urban orchid]

Skill issue

[cunning marsh]

You can:
Get stronger monsters
Or
Equip stronger runes and rank up your current monsters

[proven socket]

Get Polar Blaze or Melterian, I believe Snowgross has mega taunt for a skill, use that.

All of Fatal Herald's runes should be speed. Snowgross needs to have a life rune, since he is a tank

[twin mauve]

Any idea what to do about the Elektra patrol era saga?

Iceblood ain't cutting it

(R1)

[ivory knot]

which one and what others ya have?

[twin mauve]

The ancestor era saga

Wait imma send a ss

[ivory knot]

oh, those runes aint gonna cut it
hmmm. you could use Shieldbot instead of Iceblood to torture spam a bit and avoid direct hits

[twin mauve]

I know that 🥲

[ivory knot]

tho its gonna be more difficult with Jestin unranked

[twin mauve]

Atp but I am solely doing it for the gems 😂

[ivory knot]

bro 💀

your best bet could be Lightning star just cuz new gen, tho you need to have her start first then Fleimgard at least

[twin mauve]

It's not like I don't have runes , I just don't want to invest them on these mons

[twin mauve]

I will try

[ivory knot]

thats fine, you could swap them after youre done

[twin mauve]

To retrieve those runes I need to either spend gems or sell the mon which defeats the purpose of me doing these era sagas , I don't have a lot of mid leveled runes as well for some reason I only have a a decent number of runes of V or below or ix or up

[twin mauve]

I think it's best to wait for katia's team mates

They are also Elektra patrol

[ivory knot]

real??? arent they citizens?

[twin mauve]

Wait I am dumb , I saw super hero and thought Elektra patrol 💀💀💀

[ivory knot]

if the new revolutionary is Elektra Patrol you could wait out for that, but if not, ig you could temporarily swap decent runes from mons you aren't using just while you try to finish the saga and switch it back after

if you do end up using Shieldbot, team speed could help a bit, and have LS and JJ with normal speed ones

[twin mauve]

That's the best route atp

Or just shill out money for dualis 🤑🤑🤑🤑

[loud storm]

Thanks!👍👍

[loud storm]

Thanks!👍

[wraith cedar]

literally only the companions are superhero aswell, not even katia herself

[loud storm]

I upgraded melterian and completed era sagas!😎😎

[frosty pilot]

What would be the best team?

[arctic crane]

Her, kirk and mekaduk

[frosty pilot]

Only have qylara and ive been struggling with this team

[arctic crane]

You atleast need kirk

And focus on ranking up qylara

[arctic crane]

Irrespective of his rank

[frosty pilot]

Bought mekaduk from the offer and completed it

Thanks I appreciate it

[frosty socket]

Neymar, well done.

[plain vector]

I arrived quite late because I haven't had much time lately And I don't have any strong monsters, and they're at R2 or R3 level.

[arctic crane]

I also completed her era saga using lvl 130 Qylara, lvl 100 kirk and lvl 126 Exobait

[plain vector]

Qylara hasn't been upgraded to R2 yet.
And Kirk, he's R2
And the little golden Fish is R0

[arctic crane]

Nicee then

It just took a lot of time for me

[plain vector]

I struggled with the rune squares because they only allowed 1 or 2 squares to be opened.

[arctic crane]

Same bro exactly same

[plain vector]

I also don't have many gems or summon tickets to upgrade my Ancestor.

Và And I was quite lucky to reach cave 60 and receive Qylara's eggs.

[arctic crane]

Very good then

[plain vector]

Or perhaps surviving the saga was just a stroke of luck, lasting only a fleeting moment.

[echo parrot]

That reminds me that I need to do the last node in Watson's era saga

[hushed loom]

[half hornet]

Saga gives t7 and first half wheel gives eklypsis🥀

Nice one. Atp at least give us a chest where we can choose the tier or something if its not emeralds

[manic tide]

No lie, Tier-7 Chests still have a bunch of goods(League of Hunters)

[wicked lion]

I am always getting the revenge squad trap. 1 or 2 of the same relic is fine but I got 5

[manic tide]

Yeah, screw that Trap. I used duplicates to feed other Relics

[mortal star]

Which team can clear the new era saga???

My axel is r1

And i only got abyssal mythics

Trying to get shadowfynn

[cunning marsh]

Has anyone else had this problem?

[delicate badger]

The one old race monster is ok too

[mortal star]

Name??

[delicate badger]

The one that can stun and add evasion I forgot

Yellow looking eel

Feral era

[mortal star]

Okkk

Thanks

[arctic crane]

Moreena?

[delicate badger]

Yes

[manic tide]

Yeah, some Era Sagas are bughed

[wraith cedar]

Nah he is simply off screen

[manic tide]

Was talking about this part

I believe Xiron's Saga has some parts like it too

[wraith cedar]

nah thats Charmless's domain expansion

[delicate badger]

All recent era saga done

[delicate badger]

1h-2h grind

More like 2h-3h I forgot

maybe 3h-4h

Cuz I kept getting distracted