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[orchid ginkgo]

Wangsheng's Flames is recruiting!

What we can do and have -
B2B Wars
10+ laps (depends on monster)
VERY active team
Organized server

What you must comply -
3000 MP
Mostly active everyday
5/6 attacks in wars
1.5k points

We are accepting players with 3k MP with us until we reached 20 members. Don't miss out. DM @orchid ginkgo or @broken dome to join.

[loud tusk]

Electric commons I was told is what you should breed

Or electric legendary

[raven fjord]

no, we just spam breed for greenasaurs and pandakens tbh

[scenic bison]

Oh ez

[raven fjord]

yup, bepersistent until ml gives the egg or heart

[scenic bison]

In heard i need to spend 10 gems in after 8 hours

I will get cupid and this maze monster

[wicked garnet]

Does anyone have tips for how we should spend maze coins besides on 30 discounts

[south fable]

You don’t

[raven fjord]

well, collect every 4 hrs until u get maxed on how much coins u can get from them

then save until the next 30% discount

also there's a maze coin dungeon u can do a bit later

[wicked garnet]

Should I wait for any limited paths or should I just go on the main path

Kinda desperate to get this monster for collection purposes

[raven fjord]

main path is priority, think of the other paths when u got the mythic

[sage moss]

[wicked garnet]

Ok thank you

[raven fjord]

hi pro, can u refresh my memory on when the other 30% discount is??

[raven fjord]

np

[sage moss]

Last 4 hours

[loud tusk]

What i heard electric commons

[raven fjord]

oh that too

[tulip pasture]

How much maze coins do i need to get k911?

[loud tusk]

Lol it’s too hard for me to get maze coins

[raven fjord]

oh, what about the other one that's like in the middle of the timer?

[sage moss]

6,979 on 30% discount

[loud tusk]

funny

[sage moss]

There is none

[tulip pasture]

Thank

[raven fjord]

oh, did mazr change?

[sage moss]

It was last 12 hours but decreased it to last 4 hours

[raven fjord]

ohh, well I shal save maze coins till that then

[glacial raft]

If you are active please join The Red Clouds

[raven fjord]

is the cost the same tho?

[sage moss]

30% is 6,979 coins. I believe they increased it but it’s very easy tbh

But for the past few mazes it’s been the same

[raven fjord]

ahh okay

should be manageable

[sage moss]

Yep if you do perfect collections then you can get a R2

[scenic bison]

It's really easy to get it R0 f2p

[sage moss]

I just said that panface

[scenic bison]

By the looks of it, Im only getting it at r1 with a breakout

[raven fjord]

woah rlly?

[sage moss]

Yep most you can get is R2 without spending money

I can get it R2 because I got maze tickets 🥱

[scenic bison]

Nice

[safe roost]

Hi 👋

[sage moss]

It’s spek

[scenic bison]

Lol as long as i get it at a higher rank than my neighbor, im happy

[sage moss]

Seen you like 2 times already

[scenic bison]

Hi Hi Spek

[broken ravine]

Ghosts are like for a few new members

20 LAP TEAM

Looking for members who
-who can get at least 5k points in Race

• active in war
• active in discord
• helps others as much as they can
  PREPS FOR RACE
• at least one big skip

[sage moss]

I got ugly Bh monster to R3 almost R4

[scenic bison]

Oo, thats good

[raven fjord]

should I craft elvira first, or uriel 🤔

[scenic bison]

i only got it r0 because idrc

[sage moss]

Yep killed like 10+ L8 bosses maybe even more

[bleak relic]

When is race?

[sage moss]

Next week

[safe roost]

After the maze ends.

[raven fjord]

who should i prioritize?

[sage moss]

Uhhhh Uriel

[raven fjord]

hmmm, okeh

[sage moss]

Shiva is better 🤭

[raven fjord]

she is already crafted tho

[scenic bison]

In the end of the maze we will have 30%?

[sage moss]

Good choice

[sage moss]

Yes last 4 hours

[safe roost]

Tbh, Elvira.

[scenic bison]

Shiva better Uriel? I don't think so

Looks like Kenecro will be easy to get so pog

[scenic bison]

pro

[raven fjord]

not like I have a choice when I got her, she is the best I could craft xD

[sage moss]

I’m def not being biased

[scenic bison]

You just made yourself look like an idiot btw

Is P3R3 meta?

[sage moss]

No

[sage moss]

I’m like the best shiva player

[scenic bison]

Bro Shiva better then Uriel the divine?

[safe roost]

In wars 👍

[scenic bison]

I did not know

[scenic bison]

No, one isn't better then the other because they are different types 😂

[sage moss]

Nah shiva would clap on 1 on 1

[scenic bison]

👍

But cupid is more good Facing Shiva?

[scenic bison]

Well obviously, attacker v support/curser

[sage moss]

I mean I can beat Cupid with my shiva but Cupid would win

[scenic bison]

Oh good

I ask bec i want to buy cupid

[sage moss]

Nope Uriel is skill issue

[scenic bison]

And i have cells for Shiva

[wheat quiver]

Got my L2 Role

[scenic bison]

Pog

[sage moss]

Aye! Good job now you need to go to L1

[wheat quiver]

Yep

[tulip pasture]

Where do i buy the bounty hunt monsters? I thought there were three more days to buy the monsters before bounty hunt disappears completely

[sage moss]

How long do you think that will take you?

[sage moss]

Go to Era shop

[restive talon]

How is teddy clach and Elvira as a team?

[tulip pasture]

Oh okay

[safe roost]

It’s ok.

[sage moss]

Ehhhh most it will do is L2 and that’s a maybe

[restive talon]

Well I’m gold 1

[scenic bison]

★4+/6 smart attack in war;★Be active in team community;★ At least contribute 5k points in Marathon
New team: Unstoppable 2.0
DM me if you are interested

[sage moss]

I mean it’s better than nothing

[wheat quiver]

Couple months at best

[sage moss]

You got this, I got L1 before I got L2 😅

[wheat quiver]

Lol

[sage moss]

Maybe we will battle each other at the top when you do reach L1

[wheat quiver]

[stuck garnet]

Oi oi bois

Is faze rug a good mythic just got him for free

[broken glacier]

What's the biggest discount for the maze event?

[sage moss]

No

[scenic bison]

Faze rug pro?

[sage moss]

30%

[scenic bison]

30%

[stuck garnet]

So should I sell him

[autumn pond]

I got vortux

[scenic bison]

No

[sage moss]

Never sell a mythic

[stuck garnet]

Alr

[broken glacier]

Cant it got to 40% or more?

[stuck garnet]

Why but

[autumn pond]

Guys is vortex good

[scenic bison]

Bro sell mytics L

[sage moss]

You great gold for them and maybe you can use them in war

[stuck garnet]

Ahhh alr thx

[wheat quiver]

Not really

[wheat quiver]

In early stages

[autumn pond]

Ok

[stuck garnet]

Yeah alr thx

[wheat quiver]

Bounty shop

None at the moment

There are no ways to get her cells for free rn

There is no way other than waiting. Sorry

[broken ravine]

Ghosts are like for a few new members

20 LAP TEAM

Looking for members who
-who can get at least 5k points in Race

• active in war
• active in discord
• helps others as much as they can
  PREPS FOR RACE
• at least one big skip

[wicked narwhal]

Daze 3 turns vs stun

Which is better

[wheat quiver]

Daze because of my luck

[scenic bison]

My team is Cupid+clach +P3R3 is good for level 38?

[wicked narwhal]

Thanks

[wheat quiver]

[scenic bison]

[wheat quiver]

My team around there was fungheratops royal magus and yaoguai wangzhou

[brittle mica]

I heard that cherub Cupid will be next monster challenge monster. Can anyone confirm?

[civic bloom]

Yes

[brittle mica]

So there is no reason to buy his cells right now?

[wheat quiver]

Yes.
But be careful it may be a cell challenge or a full monster egg challenge

[wheat quiver]

Yes and no

[civic bloom]

Unless you aren't able to do the mini tales cos of time issue

[brittle mica]

Hmm I have 60 cells and was considering buying the last cells

Now im not sure

[civic bloom]

Nah, I'd say do the mini tales

Get em free

[brittle mica]

Also I don’t think I have a triple damage buffer

[broken ravine]

If you already have 60 there’s no point in buying

[brittle mica]

Shouldn’t have bought the 60 cells

[wheat quiver]

What if it's an egg challenge not cells

Don't speculate

[raven fjord]

aight, I got 14 nodes forward in maze

[brittle mica]

Thanks mate

[wheat quiver]

Better safe than sorry imo

[broken ravine]

Ofc bro

[scenic bison]

hey how long does faze rug pro take to breed

[broken ravine]

I would have got like 40

[civic bloom]

It's gonna be the same as killaroks was, they don't normally do egg challenges for newer mons, I've only seen eggs for corrupted

[broken ravine]

But I already have rank 3

[wheat quiver]

Better safe than sorry again

[civic bloom]

Either way it's 68 gems for the mini one so worth

[solid ore]

1 day 22 hours, same with all mythics and legendaries

[raven fjord]

if by chance it is an egg challenge, how much would that be

[brittle mica]

Which are the top mons to use with Cupid for the triple damage

[scenic bison]

tytyty

[scenic bison]

wait can it be 8hrs

1d 8hrs

[wheat quiver]

No

[scenic bison]

damn

[wheat quiver]

That's an epic

[scenic bison]

lame

[scenic bison]

No this is epic

is 21hours a goddamn rare

[wheat quiver]

Likely yes

Yes it's a rare

[scenic bison]

breeding system rigged

[solid ore]

No, it's chance

[restive talon]

Is legends pass worth it

[solid ore]

Yes, the rewards are worth the price

Best deal in the game

[wheat quiver]

Always worth it, but due to new nerf I'd say only if your going to go all they way

[scenic bison]

grrr grr

[restive talon]

Kk

[scenic bison]

Is P3R3 good for level 40?

[wheat quiver]

Any mythic good at that lvl

[scenic bison]

Nice

[wheat quiver]

When you get lvl 70+ start worrying about pvp viability

[scenic bison]

My team și p3r3 cupid and clach is good?

[wheat quiver]

Very good for that point

[scenic bison]

Niceee

[broken ravine]

After playing 2.5 months I got like 42 mythics is that good?

Free to play btw

[scenic bison]

Can Turtlellions Armor be crafted?

how long is faze rug pro breeding

?

[scenic bison]

Yes

[wheat quiver]

All mythic and legend 1d 21h

[scenic bison]

2 days 2 hours for a mythic

1 day 9 hours?

xD uwu

Is not 2 days and 2 hours?

xd i know

[wheat quiver]

9h with 80% breeding temple

[scenic bison]

im level 26 i dont have breeding temple

[wheat quiver]

No its 1d 22h

[scenic bison]

What is the price for 80%

[reef pine]

an epic

[scenic bison]

A mythic is 2 days and 2 hours

[scenic bison]

^

Like the craft

[wheat quiver]

7.2M, but y9u must spend around 80M gold total for max breeding temple

[scenic bison]

sad moment

[scenic bison]

Noob

[scenic bison]

How?

[wheat quiver]

Yes

[sage moss]

Yes because I have it

[scenic bison]

Alright, Thank you.

I need to craft it for my King Atum then.

[gloomy ether]

Leah’s pro

[sage moss]

Leah is a nub

[scenic bison]

Nooobbbb

I am more nub then pro

[scenic bison]

Yep

[scenic bison]

Says the pupil.

Only @tawny kettle is pro

[scenic bison]

Yeah and what

[sage moss]

Than* but get L1 and I will say you have around my power

[scenic bison]

Bot

[gloomy ether]

He lost to me🤣

[scenic bison]

I'm okay with people like pro calling me a noob because they are simply better then me 🤷‍♀️

[scenic bison]

Hell nah😂😂

[unreal drum]

should i save maze coin

[scenic bison]

Definitely.

@gloomy ether is pro

[gloomy ether]

Fax

[raven fjord]

lol

[wheat quiver]

Your his alt I knew it

[scenic bison]

Yes

[unreal drum]

how much coins is needed for k911

[sage moss]

He lost to me. He’s in a mid team and he doesn’t play much so

[sage moss]

6,979 for 30% discount

[scenic bison]

@sage moss and @gloomy ether are the pros

[wheat quiver]

Now I wanna fight him🤣

[scenic bison]

Fight fight

This is going to be the first maze where I actually try without Maze Collectors

[wheat quiver]

Lol

[sage moss]

Isa rejected my battle so that’s sad. I mean I can’t blame isa since I’m too pro

[scenic bison]

Worth it imo 🤷‍♀️

[unreal drum]

using k911 as an attacker kekw

[scenic bison]

No- Please don't.

[signal mulch]

I wanna fight people, i'm bored

[raven fjord]

I just realized, before in wars I have so much difficulties with wars that use the winged book cuz have cloe to none of em, but now 3 will be coming at the end of next week and are all very good :DD

[unreal drum]

Sp know what's best

odviously

[sage moss]

Stop being short

[scenic bison]

You do you 🤣

[unreal drum]

kekw

[signal mulch]

I grew 1 inch last night 😎 😎 😔

[unreal drum]

which part

[raven fjord]

sp is in a silly goofy mood to put td per and supportive positive effects on an attacker

[signal mulch]

😈

[sage moss]

Best attacker ngl

[signal mulch]

Just my height

[wheat quiver]

Fight me

[signal mulch]

With hands?

[raven fjord]

nice, u r 3 inches away from my height now

[unreal drum]

i thought exacliber gain an extra inch

[signal mulch]

Eh

[wheat quiver]

Wait ML doing fnf meme?

This weird

[scenic bison]

how tall are you

[scenic bison]

1.77

[signal mulch]

5'0

[scenic bison]

Nice, tiny human

[signal mulch]

I'm such an small middle schooler 😔 😔 😔

[raven fjord]

no, big chicken

[sage moss]

Everyone I see is short here

[scenic bison]

how tall are you

[sage moss]

At Least 6’3

[scenic bison]

if you're in the grade I think you're in, then you're very small.

[orchid stone]

At what level can you level up your monster lab?

[loud tusk]

I’m 14 and uh kinda “short” I’m 173 and it’s kinda kinda scary since like, what if I stop growing

[signal mulch]

I'm in 8th grade :p

[raven fjord]

mhmm, I'm the next heir to the throne of england after queen elizabeth

[scenic bison]

yeah thats short. I was in 8th last year and I was 5'7-5'8

[sage moss]

You are short

[loud tusk]

In about 30000 years

[signal mulch]

Teach me your ways to get taller :p

[unreal drum]

sorry to say but queen elizabeth is immortal

[scenic bison]

Tall people on both sides of the family

[signal mulch]

Wanna know something funny

I don't know how tall they are

[scenic bison]

sure

Dang

[raven fjord]

I just wanna slap u rn, respectfully

[empty shell]

is space k911 good

[loud tusk]

Why

[orchid stone]

You have hope. I was like 5’1 in 7th or 8th now I’m 180

[gloomy ether]

Pro Chicken and Pro Leah

[scenic bison]

My brother ended up outgrawing my dad by a bit.

[signal mulch]

Also because I never seen em, in a long time

[raven fjord]

I'm in a silly goofy mood

[gloomy ether]

😎

[unreal drum]

im 5'10

[scenic bison]

Pro yio

[unreal drum]

kinda tall where I live

[signal mulch]

😎 😎 😎

[loud tusk]

Image perms when

[scenic bison]

But like for a Female my age , 5'7-5'8 is pretty tall.

[unreal drum]

I'll help you capture another child

[scenic bison]

how old are you?

[gloomy ether]

16?

[empty shell]

why are we so off topic isnt this for monster legends

[gloomy ether]

[loud tusk]

No, Atleast 7.1 feet.

[raven fjord]

gosh

[unreal drum]

its never ML related

[scenic bison]

[scenic bison]

nah

[loud tusk]

43?

[gloomy ether]

Way older?

[empty shell]

lol ok

[scenic bison]

xD

[gloomy ether]

[signal mulch]

:00

[scenic bison]

I'll say this, I'm going into highschool next year

43 xd maybe

[loud tusk]

“Yeah how did you know?”

[loud tusk]

8?

[gloomy ether]

Pro Leah so 6?

[raven fjord]

ur 17

[scenic bison]

dollar how old are you

[signal mulch]

14

[gloomy ether]

Leah is 15?

[scenic bison]

I must be some smart 8 year old lol

[loud tusk]

14

[heady shoal]

What the helplol

[gloomy ether]

Pro

[heady shoal]

Hell

[scenic bison]

[raven fjord]

how are u 14 but turning 9th grade jeez

[heady shoal]

There adding football mons?

[loud tusk]

I’m 43, fr. (French revolution)

[signal mulch]

I won!!!, where's my cash 😏 😏 😏

[tawny kettle]

here's an easy way to tell if someone is smart or not: do they think mermaid spearband is poggers

[scenic bison]

because thats how the american school system works.

[tawny kettle]

[narrow pond]

Are Here new codes

[wheat quiver]

Lol

[narrow pond]

For the new cheast

[gloomy ether]

No

[signal mulch]

Probaly a late birthday

[tawny kettle]

maybe

[loud tusk]

Anyone wanna come into my basement? I need help… bringing up a washing machine I’ll give you free candy in my van on the way

[crystal badger]

please,please join my team "Anti & Dark fans" I think I'm about to be removed yet agian this'll be like the 10th time

[raven fjord]

she is poggers for me to pretend I bought it in glp

[void matrix]

what type of candy

[signal mulch]

Nah I only go in there if there is 19$ fortnite card :p

[tawny kettle]

smart

[signal mulch]

🤔

[scenic bison]

:0

[gloomy ether]

Weird for me

[loud tusk]

milky ways
snickers
mars
and best of all twix

[raven fjord]

[unreal drum]

smort

[scenic bison]

1 day 21 hours

[void matrix]

oh count me in

[loud tusk]

we also have kinder eggs and bueno

[scenic bison]

what monster is that? 1 day 21 hours

[loud tusk]

What did you breed lol.

[scenic bison]

maybe different countries 🤷‍♀️

[loud tusk]

It could be epic, legendary maybe mythic I think..?

[scenic bison]

rug fella

firekong and greenasaur

[signal mulch]

Kinder Eggs 🤤 🤤 🤤

[unreal drum]

prob mythic

[gloomy ether]

Nah born like different but not at the same time🤣

[scenic bison]

yup its faze

[raven fjord]

me who's 18 at 12th grade:

[loud tusk]

I love the big black chocolate ball things

[gloomy ether]

[signal mulch]

:l

[scenic bison]

thats what its supposed to be lol

[void matrix]

mythic

[fervent sundial]

Is kenecero op?

[raven fjord]

turning 19

[scenic bison]

ahhh lol

[loud tusk]

You like the white milky thing more?

[scenic bison]

are you sure about that?

[scenic bison]

oh- damn

[gloomy ether]

Wait Leah so you’re turning 14 next year or this year?

[scenic bison]

somebody say mythic is 2 days

[gloomy ether]

[void matrix]

yh, and with a guardian max it takes like 9 hours or smth

[signal mulch]

Only one person could have that >:l

[loud tusk]

Depends on the mythic lol

[gloomy ether]

[loud tusk]

Wdym

[scenic bison]

im level 27 i dont have guardian xd

[void matrix]

oh right

[gloomy ether]

Pro

[signal mulch]

Nothing

[raven fjord]

ikr, I am also the shorttie of our sectipon, but the freaking eldest like hows that fair

[scenic bison]

:c well is a legendary

or idk

[signal mulch]

I bet i'm shorter than you

[void matrix]

actually could be a legendary

most likely is

[raven fjord]

oof wrong reply

[unreal drum]

prob is

[raven fjord]

u r indeed

[signal mulch]

:p

[void matrix]

yea

[scenic bison]

i think its carlo canbino

[unreal drum]

wait how tall are yall

[void matrix]

yeah probably

[signal mulch]

5'0 😭

[raven fjord]

I'm 5'4" uwu, 5'5" with shoes

[void matrix]

[scenic bison]

uWu nice

[scenic bison]

whats that in cms?

[unreal drum]

damn, yall finished Highschool yet?

[sage moss]

Nope that’s feet

[scenic bison]

no lmao

[signal mulch]

I'm a short person for an 8th grader :l

[void matrix]

yeah like ages ago

[raven fjord]

uwu, and then the next tallest student in my secgtion is 5'8" wth

[void matrix]

the hells a grader

[signal mulch]

🤔

[unreal drum]

a person in a certain grade

[scenic bison]

ik im askin to convert

[void matrix]

what

[scenic bison]

I mean I've already done like Algebra 1, Geometry, English 1 and Science but thats all

[raven fjord]

😐

[void matrix]

whats a grade

[sage moss]

Oh that’s 152 cm

[scenic bison]

im 177 cm

[scenic bison]

aight

[raven fjord]

150cm

[unreal drum]

you finished highschool without knowing what a grade or a grader is?

[void matrix]

ah same, so ur 5’10

[sage moss]

152*

[unreal drum]

bruh

[scenic bison]

I assume for you they use things like "year 1, year 2"?

[scenic bison]

and 6'0?

[raven fjord]

basically the same

[void matrix]

yeah

[sage moss]

182

[raven fjord]

184 I think

[unreal drum]

how tall is 178 in ft

[scenic bison]

kk

[scenic bison]

That explains it. In America, we don't use years, we use grades.

[void matrix]

ohh i see

[sage moss]

5’10

[scenic bison]

Mhm

[loud tusk]

Yeah y’all are weird.

[raven fjord]

5'10" i think

[unreal drum]

k so i was right

[loud tusk]

Fahrenheit, grades etc.

[scenic bison]

lmao same height

[gloomy ether]

Ghost ping?

[scenic bison]

everything sucks here though. crappy school system is the most notable.

[sage moss]

Wdym? mine is the best I just sleep and get A’s

[unreal drum]

but why do people prefer tall people 🤔

[raven fjord]

that would depend, u guys have ivy league schools

[sage moss]

I guess for protection 🤷‍♂️ since tall people are scary to little people

[raven fjord]

they like neck pain

[void matrix]

no idea

[scenic bison]

It might just be Florida has crappy schools

[unreal drum]

mine is idealistic literature that make me depressed

[scenic bison]

Not all the time....

[scenic bison]

That is true.

[sage moss]

Yeah Mine is good tbh

[loud tusk]

Yeah and it doesn’t help when your friend comes 3 hours late with a automatic gun in his hand.

[sage moss]

Stop being jealous because you short

[scenic bison]

Shhh

[raven fjord]

I dont get why there is no restriction almost for getting a gun in US, it just gives coocoos a weapon

[loud tusk]

say that to a 100 foot titan.

[scenic bison]

mhm.Honestly scares the living crap out of me thinking about that.

[unreal drum]

imagine giving citizen a weapon

[loud tusk]

Just respawn I guess.

[unreal drum]

reason why US have shooting

[raven fjord]

ikr, self defense is barely used for a gun tbh

[gloomy ether]

@scenic bison

[void matrix]

ppl just carry knives here

[loud tusk]

Sadly since this is hardcore mode your save gets perma wiped.

[solid ore]

That's not a discussion for this server.

Let's move on please.

[unreal drum]

we dont even have gambling allowed

[raven fjord]

oh right, does this fall on political discussions?

[solid ore]

How did we all do in Bounty Hunt?

Yes.

[void matrix]

got like 5 monsters

[velvet trail]

No

[hollow flare]

🐷

[scenic bison]

[unreal drum]

k change of topic: i did average

[scenic bison]

got almost all the bag monsters but was 5 flipping cells off from Torvax.

[gloomy ether]

Horrible

[raven fjord]

I got shiv, clach and grak, aside from the bh mythic so pretty well

[sage moss]

Did decent. Got 40k coins and three R3 monsters from it

[loud tusk]

change of topic, how many metalhead cells can I request at level 30

[unreal drum]

1

[solid ore]

Just have to wait until Cell donation events 🍀

[scenic bison]

Got 3 r3s from it sadly all are useless now

[loud tusk]

Oof better to request mecharasu and squamata jr

[scenic bison]

Mhm, I am looking forward to it, I need more monsters for my collection lol

[crystal badger]

no matter how many teams I try to create none of them will ever be successfull if nobody's willing to even join to even give it a chance,why am I still trying.It's because no-one likes me,isn't it

[scenic bison]

how to get rid of the goofy ahh beginner pass

[solid ore]

Wait for it to expire.

[bright marten]

Is next is cupid event

[raven fjord]

its going out 25 i think

[solid ore]

I doubt people's perception of you have anything to do with it. It's just really hard to make a new team and get it off the ground.

[scenic bison]

Oh right maze is here now isn't it... I should probably do that for books..

[scenic bison]

and could i join the race event?

[unreal drum]

its luck based

either you start off strong or work your way up

[solid ore]

If you've let Swamp Knights and Castles maze expire + you have joined a team then yes.

[broken dome]

[raven fjord]

it epends on how often u meet ppl who is within ur team's standards

[scenic bison]

rip the old ingame chat, u could join gud teams easily

[loud tusk]

Guys what’s the best team I can make out of Uriel the divine, Nyla, Doni, Pangoliath, Clach, Shivarakara (idk how to spell), lord inheritor, calamitabyss, nautick, grakshak

[crystal badger]

this is like my5th or 10th time I've tried

[loud tusk]

I’m only level 30 so don’t judge for lack of good stuff

[raven fjord]

sheesh

[scenic bison]

bruh 2 days to go

[solid ore]

It's not easy. I'd advise on joining another team and working your way up.

[unreal drum]

rest in pepporoni

[solid ore]

Until your beginner maze ends?

[broken dome]

Lord Inheritor, Pangolith and Uriel I'd say

I don't know all of them

[scenic bison]

Uriel shiv clach is another 1

[scenic bison]

yeah ...

[loud tusk]

Isn’t pango better?

[wanton cedar]

Uriel, pango and shiv

[solid ore]

Calamitabyss, Shivarakah, Uriel

[unreal drum]

whats the best team i can make out of elvira uriel elfeera 😩

[raven fjord]

its slightly easier if ur quite high mp player and have the credentials and potential to build a good team

[broken dome]

Yes I believe so

[broken dome]

Those 3 lmao

[loud tusk]

everyone’s giving diff opinions.

[granite moat]

How do you get more tasks in the legends pass?

[scenic bison]

Not for that type of team no as pango is a mt and the others are da so clach would be better

[broken dome]

Lord Inheritor for attacker, Uriel for support, Pangolith for tank

[scenic bison]

CAA is recruiting active and hard-working members!

Who we are:
-Beginner-friendly team who wants to help you grow as a person and a monster legends player
-Partnership Team with a large and friendly community

What we require:
-0+ MP, you just have to be at level 16+
-4/6 war attacks
-700 points in race

Interested? DM me @scenic bison !

[loud tusk]

lord inheritor is pretty good right, he has hellfire uhh flame and burn or smth right.

[scenic bison]

i have shivarakah, calamitabyss but dont have uriel

[broken dome]

Uriel can res Pangolith too

[unreal drum]

hellflame, per, ignite and burn

[solid ore]

Ouch.

[crystal badger]

the one's I found that is suitable are already completely full

[scenic bison]

sad moment

[loud tusk]

I know some people say clach is better then pango I think

[scenic bison]

[broken dome]

Pangolith has Megataunt for R0 Trait

[raven fjord]

if I put uriel, elvira and cupid together, would that work lol

[scenic bison]

Yeah I'm missing uriel too as I didn't play the week their race was here due to me moving

[unreal drum]

clach and pango worth with different team

[loud tusk]

Yep,

[wanton cedar]

You could go taunt, da with uriel, shiv and clach

[loud tusk]

Also guys what should I focus on ranking up, Uriel?

[wanton cedar]

Yes

[solid ore]

Maybe get a role, and you can access #find-a-team-old .

[broken dome]

Which is better than Clach's Taunt. clach also needs a turn to get Megataunt

[scenic bison]

nautick is good monster ?

[velvet trail]

Hey what’s the best way to get maze coins for the maze

[loud tusk]

Out of everyone ur the only who said calamitabyss I don’t know much abt him tho, is he good?

[broken dome]

Sure

[raven fjord]

whats ur mp btw? just curious

[solid ore]

Clach is better due to stats and doomed talents ie 7 sins

[loud tusk]

Isn’t he a instant killer thing.

[broken dome]

He's okay

[solid ore]

Taunt, instant kills, DOTs iirc

[broken dome]

He's not amazing but he's decent

[unreal drum]

whats the best team i could make rn. shiva, DV, uriel, Elfeera, elvira, firecatcher, pango, clach, Inheritor, talika, plant, Raris

[loud tusk]

Wait he’s a tank? I thought he was like x-mess or something

[solid ore]

Oh, never mind. Calamitabyss doesn't have taunt. Lol

[raven fjord]

wait calamitabyss has taunt? i did not see that

[solid ore]

Yeah.

[raven fjord]

oh oof

[loud tusk]

He’s design is kinda cool tho.

[broken dome]

Uriel, Elvira, Pango I'd say :p

[solid ore]

Clach uriel shivarakah then

[crystal badger]

I don't know what role I would suit

[loud tusk]

but pangoliath has a taunt trait at R0 allowing shiva to not get hit since she’s like glass cannon right.

And Uriel can resurrect pango.

[solid ore]

Doesn't matter which role you suit, any role is gives you that channel

[broken dome]

Yup

[scenic bison]

Tda is fun buy sadly not used in high pvp

[silver iris]

Hello

[broken dome]

Hello

[unreal drum]

its countered hard in most cases by pierce

[raven fjord]

what is tda again?

[scenic bison]

Taunt dodge area

[raven fjord]

ah

[solid ore]

Pangoliath has Megataunt trait ehich is different and not always beneficial. Takes all the damage from an AOE which will hurt.
Uriel isn't always guaranteed a turn either, but better to use taunt with DA in most cases instead of Megataunt da

[silver iris]

We found us 2 very lovely members so I'm very happy!

[wanton cedar]

Clach has regular taunt which works better with uriel and shiv

[unreal drum]

pierce render that strat completely invalid

[loud tusk]

kinda like atun right but worse

[solid ore]

Atum and Pangoliath have the same rank 0 trait.

[loud tusk]

DA?

[broken dome]

Yes King Atum is Pangolith 2.0

[solid ore]

Megataunt trait.

[solid ore]

Dodge area

[raven fjord]

dodge area

[unreal drum]

atum is the more annoying pango

[loud tusk]

Shiva has dodge area right.

[crystal badger]

I'm not in game right now but will be soon I'll write it on paper and type it here later

[unreal drum]

ye

[scenic bison]

But behind a paywall

[solid ore]

Yes

[broken dome]

If Pango was p2w lol

[raven fjord]

oh okay

[loud tusk]

hrmm so shiv as a attacker?

[scenic bison]

★4+/6 smart attack in war;★Be active in team community;★ At least contribute 5k points in Marathon
New team: Unstoppable 2.0
DM me if you are interested

[broken dome]

Sure

[raven fjord]

mhmm

[loud tusk]

I would’ve thought lord inheritor or grakshak lol

[unreal drum]

no shiva as a tank

[broken dome]

Both are good options

[raven fjord]

nah, shiva as a denier

[solid ore]

Not funny

[loud tusk]

[unreal drum]

shiva gonna stun timestop them so hard

[raven fjord]

😔

[scenic bison]

Shiv is surprisingly fun to use

[broken dome]

Is Lord Inheritor fire or fire and dark?

[unreal drum]

i prefer DV tbh

[scenic bison]

Fire dark

[silver iris]

Both I think

[loud tusk]

Fire dark

[broken dome]

Damn, Lord Inheritor gets counted by Light Meta

[raven fjord]

Im excited for her to hatch lol

[unreal drum]

malairion look cool

[scenic bison]

Should have a easy r2 shiv from bounty

[broken dome]

If Lord Inheritor was just fire he'd be in a better position

[unreal drum]

dont know if he worth

[loud tusk]

Guys what ranks should I get the team at
clach
uriel
shiv

[scenic bison]

As high as you can...

[crystal badger]

won't let me,I can't do screenshots with the one I'm playing

[raven fjord]

r3 preferably atleast

[broken dome]

Yes get them all high

[loud tusk]

like is there a importance incase I run out of anything

[solid ore]

Contact a mod and I'm sure they will help you

[void matrix]

im hatching cupid and crafting elvira atm

[broken dome]

Clach R3 especially

[loud tusk]

I’m still angry I missed out on 50 galactic era chests

[scenic bison]

Yeah r3 or higher then you'll be safe

[raven fjord]

nice

[unreal drum]

im hatching shiv and crafting uriel

[broken dome]

Awesome

[loud tusk]

Wait they all take ambrosia

i only have 385 ambrosia

[void matrix]

yeah

[broken dome]

Doomsday Monsters take Ambrosia

[unreal drum]

do RUSD

[scenic bison]

Rank up dungeons

[broken dome]

Is the RUSD hard?

[loud tusk]

uhhh honestly don’t know what those are but sure

[scenic bison]

Doomed no

[broken dome]

Rank Up Survival Dungeon

[wild storm]

I just logged in and the new YouTuber monster is a second faze rug

[scenic bison]

Blossom can be later on

[broken dome]

Cringe am I right?

[loud tusk]

yeah hasn’t it been leaked or smth for awhile now?

[viscid ridge]

this game is starting to get boring.

[scenic bison]

Starting?

[golden berry]

free lp monster good?

[loud tusk]

hey I remember in live duels I won a 1v3 with the 1st faze rug

[bitter sleet]

[broken dome]

Not sure

[wheat quiver]

No

[wild storm]

I didn’t even know monster legends had leaks

But like cmon

[golden berry]

new faze op?

[broken dome]

Chinchilla

[wheat quiver]

There's a server for it

[scenic bison]

L4 eww

[wheat quiver]

Probs shouldn't be saying this here

[bitter sleet]

[golden berry]

new faze rug op?

[wild storm]

Huh

[scenic bison]

L3 this season?

[viscid ridge]

no

[broken dome]

Chinchilla server leaks Monster Legends

[unreal drum]

its hideous and ugly alright

[wheat quiver]

I was L2 before reset

[scenic bison]

Space K911 is better

[loud tusk]

He has double damage, fire weakness with good damage and stats with pretty good relics but he has no aoe and bad trait I think

[broken dome]

Let's go 😎

[golden berry]

should I get space k9

[wild storm]

I just hope it’s decent Sam and colby where trash

[raven fjord]

no, he has special aoe damage, but no fire aoe damage

[bitter sleet]

I did get to L3 but got knocked out of it last second by people doing their final attacks and I was asleep lol so it only showed L4 as highest placed

[broken dome]

I refuse to use FaZe Rug or FaZe Rug Pro

[loud tusk]

Oh yeah

[wheat quiver]

It's trash

[bitter sleet]

I like green though

[wheat quiver]

Much worse than og faze rug

[raven fjord]

on meta terms, but on tber mythic terms he's decent

[scenic bison]

Skill issue.. no one needs sleep

[broken dome]

They should add FaZe Jev 🤣

[wild storm]

Better than Sam and Colby witch does no damage and there debuffs are trash

[loud tusk]

I’m not gonna try for faze rug ima try for spitfire

[wheat quiver]

I love L1 role color

[broken dome]

Same 😎

[raven fjord]

sigh, I miss my l3 role

[wild storm]

Same

[loud tusk]

I was killed by Sam and Colby the other day when I had 3 mythics

[gloomy ether]

Very pro @bitter sleet

[bitter sleet]

pro yio

[wild storm]

Lol

[wheat quiver]

But only col9r which will show is my legendary role

[loud tusk]

My mythics were bad at the time ofc only nyla doni and pango

but he was like 3x my level

[gloomy ether]

Nah i get forced roleless

[broken dome]

Ew Nyla 🤢

[scenic bison]

guys Heiss is the most powerfull monster its over

[bitter sleet]

rip

[scenic bison]

...

[bitter sleet]

[broken dome]

[loud tusk]

30% damage move

[raven fjord]

[scenic bison]

well heiss is my favorite monster

[woven veldt]

anyone know a good team for beginners I keep losing

[unreal drum]

heiss look like a fire goblin

[loud tusk]

my favourite is actually Chi ao Loong tbh, he looks sick.

[broken dome]

Heiss is decent yeah

[scenic bison]

yep

[raven fjord]

what r ur mythics

[wheat quiver]

ML community: Hates Nyla
ML community inside: Nyla is actually good for wars...

[raven fjord]

lmao

[loud tusk]

What’s wrong with nyla

[bitter sleet]

isn't it supposed to be a monkey

[broken dome]

Because her moves kill her lol

[scenic bison]

dance of monkey

[unreal drum]

imo. nyla look pretty good because it remind me of doc oct

[wild storm]

That reminds me how are they running out of YouTubers when they got doni bobes I checked out his channel and it’s just some click bait mincrafter

[broken dome]

It's risky using her AoE's

[wheat quiver]

But she's so high dmg

Her recoil makes her worse

[unreal drum]

eh, he was pretty decent back then

[wheat quiver]

But she's good for war

[silver iris]

[loud tusk]

Huh he clickbaits?

[silver iris]

Is Nyla the pvp monster

[broken dome]

True, but there are monsters that do the same thing and don't hurt themselves

[wheat quiver]

N9t with same restrictions

[void matrix]

he clickbaits now?

[broken dome]

I get worried using her because I don't want to kill her :(

[wheat quiver]

Use a healer

[wild storm]

Mabie it wasn’t click bait but it looked like it

[loud tusk]

Healer

[unreal drum]

not really but hes kinda cringe now

[broken dome]

I don't have a good healer

[forest schooner]

Let’s goooo I’m unmuted😎😎😎

[broken dome]

So I suffer 🤣

[lime star]

Monster legendas pls make mi favirate youruber in to 1 Php pls i want mi favirite youtuber pls

[broken dome]

Huh?

[wheat quiver]

Nyla is good for wars and you all know it

[wheat quiver]

Not how it works

[lime star]

[broken dome]

No! Greensaur carries

[silver iris]

I have never seen her in top 100 war and when I do that base has 0 coins.

[bitter sleet]

Firesaur better

[broken dome]

😳

[loud tusk]

He’s trollin chill

[wild storm]

Lol

[forest schooner]

How do u know

[unreal drum]

she is but sucks in Arena

[loud tusk]

Treezard solos

[silver iris]

So you left and re-joined?

[scenic bison]

CAA is recruiting active and hard-working members!

Who we are:
-Beginner-friendly team who wants to help you grow as a person and a monster legends player
-Partnership Team with a large and friendly community

What we require:
-0+ MP, you just have to be at level 16+
-4/6 war attacks
-700 points in race

Interested? DM me @scenic bison !

[broken dome]

Treezard squad 😎

[loud tusk]

Also, how do y’all get roles.

[wheat quiver]

#information-roles-and-recruitment

[broken dome]

#information-roles-and-recruitment

[broken dome]

Lol

[wheat quiver]

Beat ya to it

[forest schooner]

I got teddybomb😎😎 and alvira demonslayer 😎😎 monster cell week make me a pro😎😎😎

[broken dome]

[raven fjord]

nice

[broken dome]

It's.... Elvira!

[wheat quiver]

Got Elvira from the glp

[silver iris]

Not sure if you read this but ^^^

[broken dome]

For a newish player?

[golden berry]

holiday ticket?

[lime star]

Pls make mi favirite youtuber monster into 1 php make vanoos onto 1 php and make teddieVR into 1 php and make maeley into 1 php and make mr beast into 1 php and make undead mr beast into 1 php 🥺 pls

[wheat quiver]

Not talking top 100 war
I'll figure that out when I get there

[void matrix]

damn that sucks

[broken dome]

🥺

[bitter sleet]

Ticket for the holidays

[wheat quiver]

🧐

[loud tusk]

So I basically can’t get any roles

[wheat quiver]

You can

[scenic bison]

Please use proper grammer-

[loud tusk]

Which

[silver iris]

Oh then yeah I guess she can be used

[loud tusk]

Grammar*

🤦‍♂️

[scenic bison]

The irony

[wheat quiver]

Depends on your profile
Put something in there and you'll get like rare or uncommon

[loud tusk]

[raven fjord]

bruh

[wheat quiver]

And access to rest of the server

[scenic bison]

Hehe, at least its better than that jumble of words we just seen

[bitter sleet]

Ik rare is for being a member of a team but I got no idea what uncommon and common are for since I don't think they are mentions in the info channel

[silver iris]

No one has attacked my base yet sadly

[wheat quiver]

I'm legendary and experienced role

[lime star]

I want mi favirite yotuber in to 1 php

[silver iris]

What team you lead of?

[raven fjord]

be a dev then and convert em to that

[wheat quiver]

The really weird league
Yes that's the name

[brazen spindle]

how much jems do u need to fully buy cherub

[loud tusk]

#role-request how do I get into that “profile” page

[scenic bison]

wdym-

[raven fjord]

in the zepellin

ur profile is there

[silver iris]

Oh I have heard of that team. Met them a lot in pvp

[wheat quiver]

Press your avatar in top left and press profile

[wheat quiver]

Really? Haha

[half cypress]

How do I buy war masters, like what do I go to?

[silver iris]

Indeed, I'm currently In Visitors of Doom I'm at the bottom though lmao

[wheat quiver]

You must do heroic dungeons to get their cells

[bitter sleet]

You have to do their dungeons for cells, cant buy them

[wheat quiver]

Good team

[wooden stag]

Anyone on todays monster lab shop worth getting?

[bitter sleet]

198 I believe

[silver iris]

Thanks!

[forest schooner]

The monster lab music goes hard

[wheat quiver]

Idk haven't looked

Elvira demonslayer, cherub cupid, uriel the divine are best to get

I probably missed a few so correct me guys

[limpid locust]

Although I've head that a monster challenge is coming with Cupid apparently

[edgy vessel]

cupid, elf, xmess are good

[half cypress]

So if I have to do the dungeons for war master cells, what do I do with the 1100 Herioc Orbs I have? How do I use those?

[limpid locust]

But don't quote me on that

[bitter sleet]

I've heard that too

[silver iris]

Xmess only good if can rank up high

[wheat quiver]

Yeah, you can get cupid there for cheaper

You can wait until that ig

[edgy vessel]

no one gonna use lvl 100 monsters

[raven fjord]

it starts at 25 so its better to wait till then

[bitter sleet]

You need orbs per every node, about 40 for the first dungeon

[half cypress]

Ohhhh, so I use the orbs, to do the dungeon!

[bitter sleet]

40 per node not in total

[bitter sleet]

Correcto

[void matrix]

galvanus was too, nvm

[hollow juniper]

In the PvP can u let me win pls

[forest schooner]

Is anyone here good at doing mazes I really want K911 could someone help me get him?

[silver iris]

Well if they only getting it lvl 100 and Xmess hard to rank up in RUSD not sure 🤷‍♂️

[raven fjord]

wonder why he aint meta now tho

[forest schooner]

No

[void matrix]

idk he still seems ight

[raven fjord]

collect every 4 hrs, and do the maze coin dungeon

[broken dome]

Yeah what's the best way to get loads of Maze coins?

[hollow juniper]

Pls so I can get rank gold

[broken dome]

Collect what?

[bitter sleet]

Doesn't work like that mate, also not everyone in pvp is in this server

[void matrix]

food, gold

[raven fjord]

the tasks for maz coins, like collect gold, food, feed, pvp, breed, hatch egg

[edgy vessel]

yup, I'm getting lvl 123-126 monsters from maze events (f2p), just do the 4h collection

[hollow juniper]

The new monster so if every one kuld let me win pls

[forest schooner]

Cupid alfeera but only get alfeera if ur a tryhard also get uriel and elvira and xiron the great

[broken dome]

What's the best breeding and egg for it?

[forest schooner]

But remmeber guys

[raven fjord]

thunder egg, since exactly 4 hrs

[broken dome]

Oooo okay

[raven fjord]

also dont move unless there's discount

preferably 30%

[edgy vessel]

breed 2 thunder eagle

[limpid locust]

The next one of these should be the last 4 hours of the event, so just save up your coins until then

[raven fjord]

indeed

[forest schooner]

Hey guys

How many coins do I need for R0 monster in mazes

Is it the same number of coins everytime

[limpid locust]

Yes

[edgy vessel]

7k

[forest schooner]

How much,

[raven fjord]

yuh, 6000+, almost 7k

[forest schooner]

Bruh 7k I cant do that

Best I can do is 1k

[raven fjord]

u can tho if u do 4hr collection, do maze coin dungeon and monsterwoodmaze coin event

its easy if ur dedicated

[edgy vessel]

easy bro just do 4h collection , 1k coin from dungeon & 2.4k from MW , u have to collect 3.6k only

[limpid locust]

I do most of my collections, the dungeon, and MW, and get at least R1 every maze

7k isn't all that hard

[raven fjord]

mhm, and every 4 hrs u get 50 coins from gold, 50 from food, 30 from feeding, 15 from pvp, (pls fuill the egg and breeding)

[limpid locust]

How are you only getting 1k?

[edgy vessel]

total 225 coins every 4h

[forest schooner]

How many ads?

[raven fjord]

there

[raven fjord]

the usual 40 i think, with 25 maze coins each ad

[forest schooner]

Idk

[forest schooner]

Bruh that’s 40 mins for 2.6k coins aw man

[limpid locust]

So bruh if you do the ads + dungeons you only need to make 18 collections over the course of the week

[forest schooner]

I set 4h timer?

[edgy vessel]

30 coin per ad, 80 ads= 2.4k coins

[raven fjord]

well, it is worth it

[raven fjord]

yups

[forest schooner]

But SC said 40 ads

[limpid locust]

Just watch something else and play the ads in the background

[raven fjord]

oh nvr mind, i thought it was only 40 lol

[forest schooner]

Now I gotta watch ads for an hour

Thats even worse

[raven fjord]

i was mistaken eheh

[edgy vessel]

40 ads in a day , u have 2 day to watch ads

[forest schooner]

Oh ok

[forest schooner]

I cant unless I use computer

[raven fjord]

naw, u have 25 ads straight then 4 hr cooldown, then watch remaining 15 for that day. then repeat next day

[forest schooner]

how to get SX?

[limpid locust]

You can use most streaming services on your computer while you're running the game on your phone

[forest schooner]

Yaaaaaaay

[limpid locust]

Or just do literally anything while the ads are playing

[edgy vessel]

225 x 16 = 3.6k

[limpid locust]

Don't actually need to watch the ads to watch the ads

[forest schooner]

My phone wil turn off

[raven fjord]

yuh, and ads are just 15-30 seconds anyway

[forest schooner]

But I have to

[limpid locust]

You'll have to click the button every 15-30 secs so your phone won't turn off

You'll have to give it a little attention but you can still do something else

[forest schooner]

How many coins do I get every 4h?

[void matrix]

225

[limpid locust]

I'm 'watching' them rn

[forest schooner]

Why do I have 231?

[edgy vessel]

If someone will do only 3 collection per day + dungeon + ads , can easily get monster

[forest schooner]

Ok but why is he watching ads rn if it doesn’t say coins

It says faze rug cells

[dark mural]

how do i get quick vault keys

[forest schooner]

Something about money

[dark mural]

i can't place my calamitabyss

[forest schooner]

And credit cards

[edgy vessel]

for monster cells , ( for time limited book)

[forest schooner]

Sell that bastard he sucks anywag

[limpid locust]

Do not do this under any circumstances

[forest schooner]

Why

[edgy vessel]

pretty good for wars

[forest schooner]

Megalobot is better for wars

Should I rank up my parrabot?

[dark mural]

i only have one other galactic era

[edgy vessel]

I invested my all bh coins on calamit

[forest schooner]

Wat the

[limpid locust]

Cause I'm impatient for the free pass monster and also don't want to have to dedicate my hatchery to the Faze Rug breedings all week

[edgy vessel]

1000 times better then megalo

[limpid locust]

Megalo more like Mega-l-outdated

[forest schooner]

I used my coins on shiv and grakshak

[forest schooner]

Still better

[edgy vessel]

exactly

[edgy vessel]

my shiv & clach are r4 & grak is outdated

[silver iris]

Hello

[dark mural]

I'm crafting grakshak rn

[forest schooner]

How much health does a level 120 level7 all normal life runes slab have

[limpid locust]

Also pure light attacker in a light meta is oof

[forest schooner]

Me to

[edgy vessel]

yup if u gonna attack on last base 🥲

[limpid locust]

Hello

[forest schooner]

Are metro monster outdated

[edgy vessel]

yup serp, cupid, elvira & uriel are there

[forest schooner]

I have elvira

Both of them

[scenic bison]

I am back

[edgy vessel]

few of them are pretty good for wars & sometimes in pvp too

[forest schooner]

Thanks for the help guys

[signal mulch]

Hello

[humble glen]

Looking for a team, 10,900 monster power!

[edgy vessel]

go back xd

[dark mural]

just found a spot for calamitabyss, I had a legendary habitat in my storage so i placed it and put someone from the vault in it

[edgy vessel]

dm your profile

[silver iris]

Scary

[signal mulch]

Pro VOD 😎

[edgy vessel]

better to replace your habitats with mythic habitats

[dark mural]

how much food do i need to get from 0 to level 100

[reef pine]

2.2m

[dark mural]

im building a mythic one rn

[edgy vessel]

nice

[forest schooner]

Why do some mythics hatch with rune slot already unlocked and some locked

[dark mural]

i officially have no food

[forest schooner]

Me neither

[limpid locust]

Wait hold up is the talents in the GLP the first revival talent?

[limpid locust]

It's random - gets you to spend gems to unlock them

[forest schooner]

Is absolute zero talent from corrupted era meta?

[forest schooner]

Aw man I hope elvira has them unlocked

[limpid locust]

You can only use it on corrupteds, which at this point are outdated. Used to be absolutely broken though