ideas-feedback-discussion

[rain spire]

though i hate how PER or Shield Break doesnt remove Relic Shields, i do agree with you for that reason because that would ruin the point of Shield Relics

[somber shadow]

just the mechanic tho

[rain spire]

he did, but posted in #general-feedback, #monster-ideas and #general-feedback

[grand haven]

ah yes, reset the seven sins uses, totally

or the purgatory throne

[rain spire]

what does purgatory do

[grand haven]

heal + photophobic shield

[rain spire]

ah yes reset the talent

[somber shadow]

love the sarcasm

[rain spire]

defiantly not gonna cause drama

[somber shadow]

also, imdon’t even have 7 sins

[rain spire]

then get some

[grand haven]

uh huh, and others do

[somber shadow]

lot of hate?

[grand haven]

literally a very bad concept

[rain spire]

sarcasm actually

[grand haven]

think this monster in the corrupted era

reset UA, AZ, Pain Distiller, Mud Body, etc

or Metropolitan with Phase Shield, Snitch Brand, Nanite Cloud, Tactical Scouter

Interesting and new =/= good and balanced

only thing players are gonna get involved in is complaining non-stop in #general-feedback

[signal lance]

Its just a really bad idea with many consequences also your defense of "I don't have it" amount to nothing as you may not have it doesn't mean everyone else doesn't have it

[rain spire]

its funny that some ideas are bad or common ones like “bring back this, remove that” while im sitting there with an idea of new music varieties when unlocking new monsters depending on which era and a glowing breeding icon when you have the right monsters to breed a breedable legendary or mythic

[signal lance]

Ultimates are an interesting topic. One one hand they are an interesting mechanic but in the other hand some are plain broken.

Also the new idea sound like their complaining

[jade sparrow]

tbh just cope

[signal lance]

In other words get skill

[versed walrus]

Lol fair

[versed walrus]

I lost 3 battles in a row from ultimates so I was a bit angry lol

[grand haven]

@hushed meadow devs didn't delete it, mods did, ask them instead

[hushed meadow]

I figured. Still applies to them, that’s who I meant

[slim sedge]

isn't the whole point of an ult to make a battle go from winning to losing

[dapper oyster]

no, it's to make them go from losing to winning

[analog spear]

They Should make an option to Remove the rank up button above Your Monsters (if its already there pls tell me Because i couldnt Find it)

[slim sedge]

just rank them up once to remove it

[analog spear]

Thats alot of Monsters i dont want to invest in

Ranking all of the, up would be too Much of a drag

All of the habitats has 4 monsters

[slim sedge]

well many people have asked for it to be removed and it hasn't been removed yet so that's the only solution I can offer

[analog spear]

Ok

[dapper oyster]

you just have to not have enough to be able to rank them, you don't have to rank them all

[rustic turtle]

Ehhhh??? Why was my suggestion deleted

[grand haven]

what was it

[rustic turtle]

Add buttons to buy 5, 10, 50, and 100 of these things

Instead of just buy another chest

[grand haven]

repeated idea

[clear stump]

It's one we see monthly.

See pins of #submit-ideas

[rustic turtle]

Ohhhhh ok ok sorryyy

But dang they really gotta add that, my fingers are tired tapping HAHAHA

[slim sedge]

they should add it

as with most things

will they?

no

[clear stump]

Swear it was only very recently I deleted a sort by trait idea

Either way, there's an idea for such dated in 2020

@dim trellis wdym "live and grandmaster at the same time"? A Grandmaster Duels is a Live Duel no? Aren't all Duels Live Duels?

[hollow nova]

probably meant classic

[clear stump]

Ah, love that idea, Classics used to have Legendaries 😂

[somber shadow]

Out of curiosity, is it a bad idea, or why was it deleted? I didn’t see it in the #ideas-voting, but I posted it twice because I didn’t see it excluded from the pinned rules.

[somber shadow]

thanks 😉

[wicked bluff]

@rapid wraith idea discussion here

[rapid wraith]

Oh

Ok

Please add resources donation for teams

So that everyone could share gold and food

[slim sedge]

[clear stump]

Shinchan has not read the pins of #submit-ideas it seems

[keen osprey]

I still think relics have way too much power and should b rebalanced.

[signal lance]

How though

You can't just suggest a nerf to them without taking the possible consequences into mind

[keen osprey]

Halve all stamina relics regen and drain. Healing relics are fine. Shield relics should b PER-able but maybe give more. The only relics i can see buffing, would b ones that do damage. Theres no reason ONE relic should deny an entire team (that doesnt have a stamina regen relic)

[signal lance]

Stamina relics being halved - Again that just kills relics like Pumseed staff which rely on that stamina drain.
Armor being per-able - No one in their right mind would run those then since basically every defense has a monster that can PER and that increase would screw over any team that doesn't have PER.

[versed walrus]

Lol

[signal lance]

Also there is no relic that denies the entire team by itself

Also Stamina regen relics exist specifically to counter stamina drain effects

[keen osprey]

Im just saying relics should b a minor inconvenience. Rather than what they r now. Thats just my opinion tho

[versed walrus]

Yep that is use opinion

[keen osprey]

Yeah i wouldn’t feel bad if relics were weak. If anything the stamina ones at the very least. I also think the damage from relics could b buffed since it is pretty much negligible

[slim sedge]

"offers" for talents and uncraftable relics technically exist

but if you mean getting them after their events have gone, then it'd be a waste of money

[versed walrus]

That is what I mean

[clear stump]

I can't really upvote or down vote Gruncles feedback

I know what he's getting at, it's the rankup resources

But ultimately it has been used to swap gems for cells and Bounty coins for cells for a good long while

[karmic flame]

Hi Isabelle. I see where you are coming from with you reason. I can not send a screenshot of it, however I have had tickets with support about this in the past. I didn't mention about exchanging cells for lutum / era resource, however support have said they can give me a one time exeption for it. This implies that this is the intention from "exchange resources" mentioned in the sp forum post.

I appreciate that it won't change your position, just clarifying for others, and I appreciate this may not be enough, however I can't show screenshots of messages between me and support.

[clear stump]

No that's fine! Thanks for following the rules, and thanks for clarifying. However a rankup resource exchange function has been mentioned as far back as original mythic era I think.

[orchid lodge]

mythics aren’t that hard to get cmon

and some legendaries with mythic variants have the variant be p2w so it’s not good to implement
@bleak coral

[slim sedge]

"evolutions"

really?

[bleak coral]

I mean could be good just saying

[lean kelp]

Been suggested many times, and everytime a terrible idea

[orchid lodge]

Actually keeping Voltaik instead of evolve because he’s a valuable breeding parent

[lean kelp]

Let me just evolve my warmaster elvira into a demon slayer elvira and get a p2w monster for free instead of paying 20$

[orchid lodge]

Let me just evolve my Alex Bone into OG Bone

[slim sedge]

zamn

[orchid lodge]

my (i forgot) into Don Canine
my UV somethin into UV Fusion

[slim sedge]

al canine

[orchid lodge]

basically it’s a bad idea

[rain spire]

voltaik >>> dark voltaik

its basically an easy way to grind mythics

like wallnut said, its a bad idea

[signal lance]

I'm sorry tell me what's fair about me just evolving my Epic Ao Loong to get a Chi Ao Loong?

[bleak coral]

No like u would need 5-20 of the same monsters and materials for it

[signal lance]

Again not hard for someone to amass Epics to make one of the most broken Mythics ever released

[rain spire]

that would take a lot of time and progress

[signal lance]

20 Ao Loongs? Done

But then we get Legendaries and it's basically a useless function

You cannot reasonably assume that someone would just have 20 spare Wickahs or 20 spare Barbatos in their inventory

[rain spire]

plus, when Cell Week or Monster Week comes, they’re become easy to get like get Chi Ao Loong for 20 cells and your idea, well it takes long and makes it easy to get broken mythics

[foggy summit]

It would be rather hard to balance

[orchid lodge]

if an idea is hard to balance, it wasnt a good idea to begin with

[signal lance]

How is getting random nicknames annoying?

[jaunty pulsar]

Bruh, you can always nickname your monsters

@hushed meadow

[signal lance]

I'll just be honest it just sounds like your complaining for the sakes of complaining

[jaunty pulsar]

Does seem that way

[slim sedge]

I like to nickname all my mythics so

[hushed meadow]

I don’t want to nickname hundreds of monsters, it’s an easy fix that could save plenty of time. @signal lance I’m literally trying to improve the game, if you don’t like feedback don’t look through it. Literally there’s nothing wrong with adding an option to disable dumb nicknames.

[jaunty pulsar]

[clear lagoon]

[signal lance]

Or you know you could just ignore the nickname

If its a monster that you are not planning on using ever then there is no point on changing its name at all and if it is a monster you plan on using then take the literal minute to change the name

[gilded eagle]

🤡

[hollow nova]

Who cares about nicknames

Making it optional is fair tho ig

[rain spire]

bruh

[clear stump]

It's a small QOL thing but would be cool

[signal lance]

I guess it is pretty nice

[slim sedge]

mari made a feedback

[gilded eagle]

[rain spire]

@harsh crater you already posted that “idea” before, theres no reason to post it again to bring back Super Dream

[harsh crater]

Whats ur problem with me

[rain spire]

just saying that you posted that idea, twice, and to recall that you want super dream back for his era saga

that aint an idea

[versed walrus]

This is the worst idea I have seen before it doesn’t make any sense

[rain spire]

look at Global Chat ideas

[versed walrus]

I just ignore those

[clear stump]

@harsh crater can you not repost your ideas please.

[harsh crater]

Whats youre issue to. Me?

[dapper oyster]

you repost ideas

he was quite clear

[rain spire]

“omg whats your problem to me i just reposted my idea”

[foggy summit]

They are just asking you to not repost

Nothing personal

[gilded eagle]

[clear stump]

We do not accept reposts of ideas, deleted or not. We have a set of rules made for ideas channels, pinned in each ideas channel, #monster-ideas has its own rules. We have rules to create a friendly, easy and streamlined experience for everyone who participates. Please, follow them, for everyone's sake

[jade sparrow]

that would be a terrible idea

might as well evolve warmaster elvira into elvira demonslayer

or the inheritor into lord inheritor

[clear stump]

SP kinda did that anyways

[bleak coral]

I’m saying it would have to be hard to evolve the monsters

[jade sparrow]

he means like converting an existing legendary to a mythic via some method ingame

[clear stump]

of course I get that

it is something we have had before

[jade sparrow]

the most atrocious of idea suggestions

[gilded eagle]

@worldly yacht ner exist 🤡

[signal lance]

Godly I don't know if you are trolling or not but if so please stop its not funny and in fact annoying. Secondly you could NER all that IF it wasn't for the stamina drain which eats through stamina regen relics fast

[gilded eagle]

Then why would u even get into the battle in the first place

🤡

If u know u don't got a chance against the relics

[signal lance]

The reasons you give make literally no sense

[gilded eagle]

He literally said in "wars"

[versed walrus]

Yea this was a weird feedback

Demonic Pact is a f2p talent so anyone can have it also look at relics before you attack someone in war

Or just use someone who can cleanse negative status effects

[signal lance]

Ahh I see

[versed walrus]

Also it isn’t automatic win bc u have 3 turns if you can’t cleanse it

[clear stump]

Just gonna say this was a highly requested thing. So a big W

[wicked bluff]

Kekw

[clear stump]

kekW*

[dapper oyster]

"please don't make us do 3 RUSDs per day" - they listened and gave us 6

[hollow nova]

shorter tho

inb4 it’s still like 15 nodes with max level and X runes

[clear stump]

@karmic fable please publish that in #general-feedback , thats not an idea. Thanks.

[hollow nova]

what are they even trying to say

i’m confuse

[clear stump]

Non-english communities are pissed at new era, not enough time to amass a decent amount of ranked monsteew

Monsters*

[rain spire]

@karmic fable i dont understand your ranting

[karmic fable]

I have just started to make a strategy and now I have to change it !? Because of the hunger for money that these creators have

[hollow nova]

how does non-english communities apply to this

still confused sorry

[karmic fable]

You do not understand! We haven't even started to adjust to this era because a new one is coming! 4 months is far too little for an era.

[rain spire]

what

[hollow nova]

new era doesn't make current era monsters obsolete

[rain spire]

the hell are saying that i dont understand

[grand haven]

It's not money hungry. It's way too quick, sure, but it isn't game-destroying bad

[rain spire]

and its a feedback, not an idea

[clear stump]

Theres a reason it's a Messenger group, "the world", can kinda tell English isn't first language lol

[final flint]

say THAT to the metro era

[slim sedge]

wait

how will the new element effectiveness work

[lean kelp]

Strong against now does 3 times damage instead of 50% more

Weak against now does ⅓ damage instead of 50% less

Who's gonna tell him?

#submit-ideas

[slim sedge]

wait really

[lean kelp]

Yes

So if a monster had both Boiling and Toxins they would die instantly without damage protection/shields

[final flint]

@worthy crescent that's in the "dont suggest this idea" list

[worthy crescent]

huh why

[final flint]

check pins

no prob

[autumn geyser]

I love the new dungeons coming. Lol haha

[slim sedge]

zamn

that sounds balanced

[karmic flame]

Regarding: #general-feedback message - feedback by Dinno#0538

I am downvoting it as you can choose not to do certain ones. I think the intention is you do the ones you want, leaving the ones you don't want to do so everyone is happy as they can rank monsters from that era. For example I could only do the blossom era RUSD, metro RUSD and corrupted RUSD. However, others may prioritise the doomed RUSD more than the corrupted one. It will enable everyone to rank the monsters they want

[shrewd inlet]

always complains

[final flint]

existence writing a bombshell of a response

[lean kelp]

👀

not rlly

[final flint]

YOU TOOK 10 YEARS TO TYPE ":EYES:"

[lean kelp]

i wasnt typing that whole time

discord bugging

[final flint]

discord tweakin

[signal lance]

Discord caught lacking

[lean kelp]

I agree with him tbh, 2 survival dungeons already takes 1 to 2 hours daily but 6 on the other hand. I just hope when they say they've made them shorter they've actually shortened them down a decent chunk cuz many people would want to use 3/4/all of them daily for books or just ranking still usable monsters and being on the game for 3-4 hours doing the same thing over and over in 4-6 dungeons for 15-20 battles with multiple waves will just feel like a chore.

like 5-10 nodes in the new ones yeah thats fine, but over that is a bit too much

[shrewd inlet]

1-2 hours

[lean kelp]

how long does it take you then?

cuz it definitely takes me that long

[signal lance]

From memory it took me about 25-30 minutes

[lean kelp]

to do both?

or only doomed

[slim sedge]

[signal lance]

Only doomed

For the Metro one it was just about 20 minutes

[lean kelp]

close enough to an hour

[versed walrus]

It takes me 20 minutes max for doom and I can almost finish it it would probably take me 25 to finish because the first half takes about like 5 minutes.

[rancid cargo]

2.5x is still overkill imo

[versed walrus]

Yea

I would be fine if it was 2.0x and 0.5x that would have been a fine change bc then it is half and double

[rancid cargo]

My opinion about all RUSD maybe for fusing them to a Mega RUSD in the weekends, and like 7x the rewards

[versed walrus]

I think that would be a bit weird

@gilded eagle Yea for sure some of the stuff in ads is definitely not appropriate for young kids who play this game.

[clear stump]

@rancid cargo use this channel for agreeing with opinions. Thanks

[rancid cargo]

Uhh, what did I do wrong?

[clear stump]

You messaged in #submit-ideas with a non-idea.

[rancid cargo]

Ah okay

[versed walrus]

Idk why people are so annoyed about pop up ads it takes literally 1 second to click the x button it is barely an annoyance

[lean kelp]

do you have them?

[versed walrus]

Yea

[lean kelp]

do you like the game more now that theyre there?

[final flint]

sometimes they freeze the game

making it literally unplayable

[versed walrus]

Oh

[foggy summit]

Yea

Also a lot of them take way too long to load

[clear stump]

Plus the fact that many are unskippable and so you have to eait a full 5 to 30 seconds or mor

Plus hampers the overall experience like

[final flint]

• some are straight up inappropriate

although i think that's Fyber's fault

[topaz elbow]

how do i change a typo in feedback?

or do i just wait the 10 minutes and post a new, corrected message?

[slim sedge]

yes

[lean kelp]

[versed walrus]

An auto play? That just takes away the fun of the game

[slim sedge]

I mean yeah but having to manually do 20 battles in each dungeon a day isn't fun either

[weary plank]

Personally I don't use Auto since I don't trust in the AI healing my allies when they all have Reverse Healing

[signal lance]

I don't trust the AI because for I know it just decides to recharge every turn and get me killed

[orchid lodge]

it’s more convenience and full-automation then actual viability

[versed walrus]

Yea

[signal lance]

@hushed meadow like what Gruncle said the new dungeons are there as possible options rather than obligations. Your not forced to do them but they are giving you the chance to run them if you wish

[hushed meadow]

True, I guess there's no reason to merge them, I just figured it would make it less cluttered

[slim sedge]

ranking Doomed Monsters isn't gonna be worthless just because there's a new era

well

unless the new era has:
super boosted stats
op talents right away
op monsters right away

doomsday monsters still can hold their own in battle

[hushed meadow]

i dont think the stats will go up by much

[slim sedge]

well

we'll have to see

like with all new eras

[hushed meadow]

yes, rusds should have their own section

[karmic lance]

Colasel and treasure cave should be back .

[lean kelp]

^^^^^

colossal had no reason to be removed

[gilded eagle]

What's colossal

[lean kelp]

24 hour breeding event with 50% odds for like 50 old monsters, except the combos were unknown and the playerbase had to find them

[slim sedge]

el colossal got removed because no one took part in it

and I mean, fair

having to spend tons of gems on combos for old monsters wasn't exactly appealing

[versed walrus]

That would be cool to be brought back

[orchid lodge]

el colossal is still technically in the game albeit on a smaller scale and less fun

cough cough Breeding Events

[rain spire]

el colossal didnt became an interesting event to me

i dont see why it should come back

[karmic lance]

I respect your opinions 😉

But for me tresaure cave and colassal best events to me sp twice remove them

Treasure cave was ways getting gems resources without any gem spend .
Same with colasel if I don't have the combos I don't do ..u can get monsters without spending a lot of gems but some players was like. To get their monsters for a high rank that was need tons of gems

[foggy summit]

It was fun but honestly combinations took way too long to find

At first they were easy but then everyone stopped doing them so

[final flint]

bot died again

lol

[slim sedge]

yeah

and most times, all the combos weren't even found

[dapper oyster]

on discord

[karmic lance]

Yes because that I say sp was should give us more then one day to found the combos...

[rain spire]

@fringe badger that belongs to #monster-ideas

[rancid cargo]

bot is still down

[slim sedge]

yes

[lean kelp]

@tardy kraken what exactly does "equivalent dungeon on weekends" mean?

[tardy kraken]

Hmm

I meant

like the titan dungeon

on firday, sat and sun @lean kelp

[signal lance]

@flat wing there are so many ways to abuse that system

[flat wing]

Really?

[signal lance]

Ye

[flat wing]

How

[signal lance]

There is nothing stopping someone from making a baby account to funnel gems to their main account

[flat wing]

true

never thought about that

[topaz elbow]

what system?

[signal lance]

It was an idea that was posted. Basically it said that people should ve able to give resources to others that are in their friend list

[topaz elbow]

oh

ok

[grand haven]

@hushed meadow bounty stamina got removed from rewards?

[versed walrus]

Did it?

[wicked bluff]

It didn’t

[hushed meadow]

I’m not getting it, idk

[hollow nova]

Are you opening red/purple bags in league 1?

[versed walrus]

lol

[clear stump]

I don't recall if Green bags ever included Stamina, I don't think so. Red and Purple bags have had such from about League 4 or so

[versed walrus]

They didn’t

[wicked bluff]

Red bags and purple bags don’t give out stamina in League 1 iirc
But they do in League 3 above

[clear stump]

Thanks for the info Stoove. It;s one of those things I wouldn't consider 😂

Food Dungeon buffs have been suggested before, @carmine niche , just so you know.

And for @versed walrus , your idea (donating mythic cells permanently) has been suggested i believe, just so you know

[carmine niche]

ah

[versed walrus]

I’m sure it has I just haven’t seen it as I check #submit-ideas every time something is posted

[clear stump]

In which case it's always worth using the Search function for #submit-ideas and #ideas-voting - search keywords for your idea before you submit it, makes it easier for us both

[versed walrus]

I will do that next time thx

[hushed meadow]

Nvm I get the stamina now

[serene hawk]

mm

bh leagues

[clear stump]

Another "fill the Race book" idea. Unfortunate to see they're still suggested imo

[versed walrus]

@loud vault I agree with a lot of the points you make. I think you are generalizing p2w players though. P2w just means you have spent money on the game. A lot of people just pay 20 dollars a month for the legends pass which grants them an extra R3 monster and some extra nice rewards. This is not a lot of money spent nor a huge advantage. Then there are the people that get the big advantages because they buy a lot of gems and maze coins and monsters and things like that but most “p2w” players are not like that.

I think that the amount of gems you can buy should be limited and the amount of monsters you can only get buy paying money should be limited

Imo there should always be a way you can get a monster with gems even if it is a lot there would still be a way

Like the fugitive killer for instance should be available like R1 for 500 gem or something

[signal lance]

The answer you gave is just...No. If you limit the amount of gems that you can buy then that hurts the company and same could be said about the amount of monsters you can buy which at most is 3 monsters. If the fugi killer was available for 500 gems that hurts SP as 500 gems isn't hard to get

[orchid lodge]

quite frankly, a lot of players needs to stop getting in the mindset that everything has to benefit the players, and pay no mind to the company benefits and what they think

not only can being more mindful of both sides be more considerate, but can also be a more convincing idea if it considers company interests

[versed walrus]

Yea I do agree that they have to make money bc it is a business. I just agree that too many of the rly good monsters u can only get for money

[grand haven]

no it's not that really good monsters you can only get for money, it's the fact that the really good monster only reach that status after 5 months of grinding f2p, while p2w can skip through it and make it even better with TALENTS that you can only get for money

the problem isn't just the monster, it's the insane benefits that come with the monster

[versed walrus]

Yea

Also the rank you can get the monster to

[stray condor]

rodans feedback isnt looking at the f2p side

in metro a lot of the good monsters were f2p

slum was free

and this season we got amazing free monsters

yeager, chiften and elvira arent amazing. demon wings is trash

and f2p do get good talents, they also got pp which was mysteriously left out 🤔

of course people who pay a premium should get an advantage over those who dont

[lean kelp]

saying both Slumster and Spekthra weren't f2p

hood justice was also a trash talent, i dont think anyone used it

also "requiring you to be on the game 24/7 for the tales monster" when you tap the screen at least 5 times before logging off for 8 hours

[versed walrus]

Yea

Tales doesn’t require to be online that much

You just have to know the schedule

[karmic fable]

Corrupted survival dungeons

[clear stump]

Have you read #announcements within the last 2 days?

[karmic fable]

Sry my bad

[clear stump]

I hate these silly feedbacks. Much less the tuna sandwich ones last year or the year before.

[orchid lodge]

“F2p gets the short end of the stick” proceeds to use p2w examples

shouldn’t they be presenting examples of bad free monsters
granted p2w options should obviously be good but that doesn’t mean f2p options aren’t adequate
also slumster isn’t p2w

and i just scrolled up and see people say the exact same thing 😬

[signal lance]

The dude had some good points but the examples he gave were horrible like he didn't even bother to look through them and see which ones were actually p2w or f2p

[radiant fox]

Well, I didn't exactly read him mentioning Spekthra/Slumster as p2w, he's just outlining what paying gets u Vs what being ftp gets u, and maybe driving at some QoL changes, combining his 2 posts

And let's face it, barring Galvanus, Raris, Uriel and Cupid, the whole of free Doomed Era monsters have been bad to average at best

Even now, the latest p2w BH monster is more of like a Cupid on steroids

Something like that dark Elf with Spear of Destiny is going to be a massive problem in PvP

And here ppl complain about Seven Sins all the time 😂

Although that's quite well founded too... Having Nanovirus trigger at the beginning and block something like a SC Megataunt can be like... Well "Take a sign, it's over freeloader 😈"

[clear stump]

Maze monsters in DD era have been complete crap imo, other than Jack
F2p Bounty mons other than Galvanus meh
Tales has been full of powerhouses
Race has been up and down but all solid at bare minimum

DD era has required gems which aren't the hardest to get hold of over a month

But of course P2W has had it better than f2p

[radiant fox]

"Solid" might be stretching it a bit 😅

They've been exactly as Race monsters should be... Okay

Barring Uriel ofc

[rain spire]

Youtubers didnt got much luck to be good compared to other f2ps

especially the Doomed Youtubers

[signal lance]

To be fair when was the last good YT monster

[rain spire]

FaZe Rug

Vanoss2099

[radiant fox]

Has there ever been any?

Oh, my bad, Vanoss2099 counts I guess

[signal lance]

From what I remember Vannos2099 and The Doo

Faze is... idk he is useless in my eyes

[radiant fox]

Faze isn't bad, actually

[rain spire]

aside jokes, im adding Morgz to the list as a decent to good, simply because of his ITT, Death Countdown, and a reverse healing

[radiant fox]

Just a turtle tank

[rain spire]

to me hes isnt bad

hell Undead Mr. Beast is better than Fundy

[radiant fox]

He's got decent self sustaining skills

But unless u're looking to time out ur opponent on war, which is a ridiculous idea anyway, I think it might be safe to say he's bad 😂

[rain spire]

lmao

[radiant fox]

Okay, situational

[rain spire]

either all, i often see youtubers having some good in them to take out better monsters depending on what teams they have

[radiant fox]

He can have his uses in 1v1 or 2v1

ML offers an amazing feature I've very rarely seen in other games, one that no one talks about

Average P2W folks have to grind about the same amount as the poor ftp community 😂😂😂

That is, if they want to get anywhere with the fruits of their purchase

[grand haven]

I think Rodan's feedback just means that talents were the main cause of the p2w advantages

I mean from the examples that were listed, 7 of them were talking about the monster, 2 of them were f2p in the first place, and the rest are all about talents

and let's be honest, the monsters he listed can be countered even as f2ps

[slim sedge]

yes

[rain spire]

Dead Chat’s feedback about balancing doomed monsters is good

[humble cairn]

I made a slight type in #general-feedback. I meant to say that Master Goldfield is highly outclassed by everything else

[grand haven]

Once you obtain or compete against a specific monster its either a guaranteed win or a game over before the battle even begins.
Voltaik, UV Fusion
Laughs in 2 anticipation + taunt

just anticipation + any taunt monster in general honestly

[humble cairn]

Either I have awful RNG but UV Fusion and Voltaik are pared together all the time

[grand haven]

you just don't have the right monsters to exterminate the pest

Lucky Clint and Posidonia are great couple enders

overall it still comes down to chance

[humble cairn]

And when I don’t have any monsters with Anticipation I get extra turned to death

[grand haven]

they're all countered

some just have less counters

I beat like 7 Pango bases already

[humble cairn]

Than how do you counter an opponent with 2 Area Dodge monsters and one monster with Taunt as trait, while said Taunt monster has Seven Sins?

[slim sedge]

elfeera

[grand haven]

cupid

yearend

[humble cairn]

I wasn’t able to get Cherub Cupid as he was rather difficult to obtain.

Not to mention, both Elfeera and Yearend costed money

[grand haven]

tales isn't difficult at all wdym

[humble cairn]

I was only able to get 20 cells

[grand haven]

that just means you didn't even try

[humble cairn]

I did try…

[grand haven]

there were 3 different chance where you can get cherub cupid cells

the cards flip event, the breeding event, and the tales

and tales were real simple if you know what you were doing

as far as I'm concerned the monsters are fine

it's the talents that should be restricted

[humble cairn]

I suck at this game…

[radiant fox]

Why don't u go to the #progressive-islands channel (or any event channel, provided u really are sincere about trying to get the monster of that event) and look around for tips? From the looks of it, u're probably staying on the first batch of cells, being reluctant to use up gems and move through the challenge; assuming ofc that u're honest about putting in an effort and logging in as and when required

Dead Chat makes excellent points, I hope someone from SP sees truth in it and structures the Blossom Era better

[orchid lodge]

trying also means doing your research yk

like preparations (getting gems) beforehand
or heck, knowing you were supposed to skip in the first place

[humble cairn]

SP, I crave more trait disable monsters

Because we only got one in this entire era

[orchid lodge]

SP, I crave more trait protection monsters

Idk i thought calamedic was really interesting so

[humble cairn]

Ignwe

[orchid lodge]

@humble cairn why would any monster be banned from Classic and Grand Duels, and why would combos be banned from Grandmaster Duels? Aren’t certain abilities supposed to synergize with each other really well? Also recent Pierce monsters were added yk?

Like if f2p options were inadequate against p2w options
A. That’s a problem with the era itself
B. It’s naturally since you’ve payed for it with real money
C. The era is literally ending

[humble cairn]

But I have no pierce monsters, and 2 of them costed money to get.

[orchid lodge]

“But I have no pierce monsters”

also if you complain about TDA, then just do TDA yourself

[humble cairn]

I hardly ever seem used to begin with

I’ve only seen Cherub Cupid used once

[orchid lodge]

...so?

[wicked bluff]

I don’t like the new idea, it kinda just throws my money out of the window
Like I paid 50$ for Clach just to be able to use him in a TDA team but now I can’t cus “TDA too hard to counter!!!”

🗿

[orchid lodge]

hey guys, today I’ll complain about UV TT to DV
even though Anticipation monsters, faster Support with Evasion, and Geckone (thunder immunity) exists

[rain spire]

TT?

[orchid lodge]

Turn Transfer

[wicked bluff]

Geckone barely does anything against DVolt besides minimizing his already insane damage output by 10%

[rain spire]

oh

[wicked bluff]

[orchid lodge]

when I first got DV in GD, I was ducked by Thunder Immunity

their MT tank was Mare

[wicked bluff]

Kekw

[rain spire]

ahh yes, complaining about DV ETing, not like you could use or idk, Anticipations? Apply freaking shock to DV

[orchid lodge]

hey guys, today I’ll complain about a good denier

hey guys, today I’ll complain about a good tank

[rain spire]

also Antis + Tanks with Taunt

with SC if they fighting UV

[orchid lodge]

why (not-Mega)Taunt?

[humble cairn]

Yay, I love getting bullied for my own opinions

[orchid lodge]

opinions that aren’t righteous and doesn’t have a valid reason

[humble cairn]

So you’re validating the fact that you can treat people like crap because of their opinions?

[wicked bluff]

Tbh, the idea should apply to CD and probably GD since those are the ones you don’t have to dump money into buying monsters and talents for them

[orchid lodge]

Excuse me for being a little harsh when telling you why your opinion is invalid

[eternal vessel]

What is happening here 👁️

[orchid lodge]

Why do we have to tell you when the tangible messages are right there 👁️

[eternal vessel]

Because I am illiterate and can't read more than 2 paragraphs 👁️

[orchid lodge]

Tuxedo doesn’t have Cupid so he complains about TDA in GMD and wants TDA combos “to be banned”, while also being salty about bad luck in Classic and Grand Duels

[rain spire]

yet you made good art and an impressive story for your ocs

[eternal vessel]

Trait disable?

[eternal vessel]

Shush 4,500 words is only 1.99 paragraphs

[wicked bluff]

Apparently, he doesn’t have Master Goldfield too

[orchid lodge]

what kind of paragraphs are 2,251 words

[eternal vessel]

Long ones

[orchid lodge]

my school essays have 1,200 what are you reading

[cobalt horizon]

Time to stop. Players are allowed to express their opinion, whether you agree or not. No need to insult.

[rain spire]

anyways back to feedbacks

darn

[eternal vessel]

Writing book

[eternal vessel]

Get outsped

Pandolf trol is gone 🥶

[orchid lodge]

grades would get deducted for forgetting paragraph breaks

[eternal vessel]

I'm making funny about 2 paragraphs, also not a school thing

[orchid lodge]

let’s stop

[eternal vessel]

Yes

[cobalt horizon]

And why is this being discussed here, you were already asked to stop.

[clear stump]

Forgive me for being busy as of late but I don't see why anything above is relevant to ideas 😅

[rain spire]

@dense saddle bruh

[versed walrus]

Pango is garbage give him SC evasion

[final flint]

@dense saddle aren't joke ideas banned

[signal lance]

They are

[grand haven]

#submit-ideas getting werted

[jaunty pulsar]

[final flint]

petition to get a ideas banned role

[rain spire]

@karmic fable adventure map ideas are banned

[karmic fable]

why?

[rain spire]

the idea has been suggested too many times

[grand haven]

oversuggested, annoying, a bother to the ideas manager and to people who want to see actually new ideas

[karmic fable]

1 sry i didnt know that 2 if its suggested so many time why wont they do it (just asking) and 3 is el colosal ok to say?

[slim sedge]

sp doesn't have to do anything

we can suggest things but it's all up to them

generally if there's a massive want for something we'll get it in a new era

[rain spire]

sp is too sp to add more islands, ideas to bring back el colossal is also banned

[slim sedge]

for example: RUSD for each era

also they removed el colossal for a reason

[karmic fable]

welp thats the last time i make an suggestion here

[stray condor]

😈

[old ravine]

what that even mean

[jagged nacelle]

do you get pop up ads?

[stray condor]

no

[grand haven]

he literally pressed X

[jagged nacelle]

oh,

i feel slow rn

i forgot

im asking the question because i have a suspicion that people who spend money dont get pop ups

i spend on gold pass a couple of times and i dont get pop ups

[grand haven]

accidentally pressed enter

[rain spire]

lmao

@mystic kernel ideas involving torture ideas belong to #monster-ideas

[mystic kernel]

Oh :/

[final flint]

when

[foggy summit]

like a blacklist role?

[final flint]

yes

ideas blacklist

[slim sedge]

Dead Chat is the proest at making feedbacks

[dapper oyster]

some people who have spent in the past are getting them too

[karmic flame]

I got Sensei and Meow pass, I get pop up ads

[clear stump]

I mean, that was like a year ago now

[karmic flame]

Kingprime only asked if anyone has paid for anything on the game. They never specified "in the past X months"

[rancid cargo]

I mean, when I was doing wars, when Frut is only enemy remaining, Demonic Pact's Cursed Countdown reached 0, killing Frut, but he triggered the healing Talent like Phase Shield for example

[clear stump]

I wasn't on about you vlad

[rancid cargo]

My feedback got deleted for no reason

[clear stump]

Probably because youre just telling a story

If its a possible bug then we have a channrl for it

[orchid lodge]

monster rank is such a niche filter

[slim sedge]

true

[grand haven]

Like how I accidentally press enter halfway through the paragraph

[rain spire]

lmao

[slim sedge]

[versed walrus]

I like that idea @gilded eagle I am on a 19 streak rn

[orchid lodge]

@gilded eagle it's called the battle pass
"Achieve a 5-Win Streak in Multiplayer"

as for an actual indicator, it's called rankings since a winstreak is usually indicated by high trophies regardless

[clear stump]

Neither of those provide a permanently available ongoing counter.

[clear stump]

@old ravine Have you hit a new level recently? Timed Challenge difficulty goes up with level. Pretty sure I have to collect near 200mil for final reward myself. If you're rushing map, I highly advise you contemplate on whether that's the right path or not.

[old ravine]

i rushed the map and i reached level 75 yesterday

[final flint]

zamn

thats why ur gold fever's a little high

[old ravine]

but i cant get 70M gold in 2 days

[final flint]

i'm like lvl 70 myself and i can easily get 70m gold in 2 days

since i have a stupid amount of mythics

[old ravine]

i dont

[grand haven]

this is why you don't rush

[old ravine]

no one told me that

[final flint]

shouldve been obvious to not rush

[clear stump]

Then stop doing map.

[old ravine]

k

[final flint]

i rushed to like 70 using map (yes i finished map) then i recovered since it was like corrupted era at the time

[clear stump]

If you're angry you weren't told before, it's not the most obvious but it's not hard to notice either, here I am telling you now. Time to stop.

General guidance even for newer players is "don't rush map" - this is why.

Looking in #bugs-reporting maybe there was a change. But even then level still applies

[old ravine]

it just not fair

this will not help me

[final flint]

how the hell are you in L3-

[clear stump]

I can only presume he rushed map to feed up his LP and PVP release mons

[orchid lodge]

@pastel crypt status effect ideas belong in #monster-ideas

[autumn geyser]

Is the BH monster supposed to come back to life. I had to kill him 4 times

[slim sedge]

wrong chat

[kind egret]

How is my idea

[slim sedge]

isn't that what sniping is all about though

[clear stump]

@lunar bramble there is a system in place for that already. Participate for 10 wars in one team without leaving in one season, and get lots of medals at the end of the war season.

[slim sedge]

there is but war medals aren't all too valuable unless you have a lot of war coins saved up

[final flint]

war medals to war coins converter would be fun

[slim sedge]

yes

[final flint]

10 medals to 1 coin perhaps

not 1:1 since medals are easy to get

[lunar bramble]

Oh, thanks! Is there a way to change my idea to say “increase the rewards given for staying” ?

[clear stump]

No, you only get the war medals dependent on the league you finish in at the end of a Campaign.

[lunar bramble]

Sorry I meant like: my idea states that players should be given rewards for staying in a team. Since I was unaware that that was the case, could I change my comment to say “increase the rewards given for staying in a team long term” ?

I just went ahead and did it, hope that’s alright 👍

[clear stump]

Yes of course that's fine.

[signal lance]

How does a 1v1 mode seem practical at all

[slim sedge]

it's not

also wouldn't every battle become r5 uv vs r5 uv

running all 3 ET skills and Kernel Shield

[orchid lodge]

the hells an Evasion emote

[slim sedge]

the evasion effect but as an emote for this server

like how we have

[versed walrus]

That would be good atleast

But 1v1 mode just isn’t practical

[orchid lodge]

i dont see why we should have it if we have to convey the same thing

[versed walrus]

Pierce monsters

[orchid lodge]

in terms of using to convey Evasion, just say Evasion, no need for an emote

[orchid lodge]

Controllers

[versed walrus]

Exactly

[slim sedge]

depends on the monster

if they can apply pierce then yes

[versed walrus]

So there isn’t one monster that would always win

[slim sedge]

but if they have pierce trait then TD momen

[versed walrus]

Yea

Elfeera moment

[slim sedge]

and cupid gets countered by shock

[versed walrus]

Yep

[orchid lodge]

its not a good idea in the first place so

[versed walrus]

R5 Elfeera would destroy UV tho

[orchid lodge]

1v1 amounts to rock paper scissors

[versed walrus]

Yep

[orchid lodge]

thats not a good thing

if you wanted to play rock paper scissors, play live duels

[versed walrus]

Controller>Pierce>Evasion>Controller

[versed walrus]

Yep

[orchid lodge]

🤦‍♂️

[versed walrus]

Master Goldfield>Pierce

Can trait disable and remove positive status effects

Prob would still lose tho

Bc nothing to pierce thru

[orchid lodge]

again, 1v1s are impractical since it's purely luck

[versed walrus]

Yep

[orchid lodge]

why are you agreeing yet arguing at the same time

[versed walrus]

I never said it was good idea

I am just saying stuff that would happen if it existed

[orchid lodge]

if it existed

[rain spire]

reminds me of Dragon City

[clear stump]

@gilded eagle kindly keep it to one message for each idea. Thanks.

[gilded eagle]

O ok mb

[clear stump]

Highly advise you edit your previous idea to come into line with this. The individual race one.

[clear stump]

Ok, genuine question, what do you think of Speedup Tokens in the following contexts?:
Breeding,
Hatching,
Extracting,
Ranking Up,
Hatching,
and why if you have any kind of objection? I hope to spur some discussion topics soon, related to #general-feedback and #submit-ideas or #ideas-voting or not.

[urban roost]

yes

we need them

[signal lance]

Honestly, it doesn't sound like a bad idea. SP could also make speedup tokens available in both free pass and the glp so its a win/win scenario for both players and the company as it gives another incentive to buy the pass

[clear stump]

For discussion's sake, why? Consider GLP, how it would factor in

[clear stump]

Personally, agreed, but of course you say FLP and GLP - there's already some offered within free Battle Pass, and more in Golden I think. How would you personally incorporate such into Legends Pass and why? Asks for a lot of thought, but the more the better

[urban roost]

imagine if they add speedups (hatching breeding ones, etc), gems, and potentially monster eggs to pvp battles

but they're SP, so...

probably will make those rewards under a payroll instead

[clear stump]

Explain properly 🤔 Sounds like "I want this but SP history"

[urban roost]

breh

so when you win a pvp battl

it gives you speedups and gems

instead of 25k gold

[clear stump]

Ok... like I said though, for discussion's sake, how would you balance such? There will be players like me that will attempt to climb from L4 to L1 in three days, would you give me a 15min Speedup for each victory or... what would you suggest?

[signal lance]

Good question. So away I would personally incorporate the speed up tokens is by taking away the useless 30k food and 25k gold rewards in both paid and free passes and even adding in 10-15 minute tokens into the free pass by placing them in some of the empty areas like node 180 could now contain one 5 minute speedup tokens and the further you get through the pass you get better tokens like in node 980 there could be one free 12-hour speedup token and at the end of the pass there could be a chest that will randomly give you 3 speed-up tokens ranging from 10 minutes to 15 while the paid pass will now give you two 12-hour speedup tokens. As for the pvp pass I really have no clue how since I don't even know anyone that buys it

[clear stump]

of course there'll probably players who attempt a much "bigger" record on an even shorter timeframe Dinno.

[urban roost]

15min is fine imo

4 pvp wins = 1 gem worth of speedups

the thing is, its more visually appealing ig

[signal lance]

4 is... a bit easy so maybe bump it up to like 6-8

[urban roost]

8 pvp wins for 1 gem?

[signal lance]

Like I said 6-8 since in my personal opinion 4 wins is easy to get

[urban roost]

im lazy to even do 2

[clear stump]

You say "some of the tokens" - being specific is always good imo, shows more thought was put into it. I can agree that Battle Pass may feel a bit lacklustre in comparison to Legends Pass tho 🤷

[urban roost]

4 wins = 1 gem. more than fair

[signal lance]

5

[signal lance]

Let me edit it real quick

[clear stump]

I want to say yes but I have to say no - as much as I don't want to admit such, there's a lot more players who drop PVP rank during Race, and can implement a "Speedy" grind by having maybe Pestilence Trap, damaging skills, maybe even Talents that inflict Damage upon start of combat. I don't keep too up-to-date with such myself, in all honesty. Educate me. There's a very explicit and open Loophole that can be very easily abused imo

Not very willing to go into said Loophole, as it may require manual input, though you can probably guess where it breaks TOS... please don't mention it 😉

[signal lance]

Edit made

[gentle echo]

idk exactly how it would work but could kinda take inspiration from clash of clans and once you hit a specific league in pvp it locks you in so you cant go below that league, if your highest league in the last season was legendary you are locked in legendary and same from champion league, while bronze and silver it locks in each part of a league like silver 3, 2, and 1 you are locked in each time you reach them and same for bronze, of course if a low lvl player gets a rlly lucky streak and is in a higher league than they can battle they can possibly contact support and ask for them to demote them a leaque

just my idea on it though

also for those few players that have like 130-150 current era mythics in silver league and stay there for some reason could think of a way to manually push them up a league so they arent manipulating the system

[versed walrus]

Put the speed up tokens in pvp chests

Bc they take time to unlock and you can only have 3-4 at a time

Add them starting in like rank 4s get 5 min rank 5 get 15 min rank 6 get 1 hour rank 7 gets 6 hour or something

I imagine you could have same tokens for Crafting/Ranking up/Extracting and then same for Breeding/Hatching

[orchid lodge]

greater incentive to pay for battles legend pass i suppose
although i haven’t bought it myself so i wouldn’t actually know its efficiency

[grand haven]

Speeding up tokens are just good for the game in general. It's a new way to speed things up that doesn't require gemming, good for players that don't have much patience and if done right can be a well-implemented feature.
About obtainability, here's my thoughts:
I don't think it needs to be implemented in GLP or BP, because GLP already has boosts and BP has the Egg speed up tokens. Instead, have them appear in random events related to their use:
-Breeding and Hatching: Love Season's rewards can be replaced with speed up tokens, first milestone can give 5 fifteen-minute skips, second milestone can give 3 one-hour skip, and third milestone can be a three-hour skip. Other ways to obtain it can be through breeding events, where a successful breed can give a three-hour skip, and if it doesn't it gives a 30-minute skip. Or through Daily Missions, where the "Hatch Eggs and Breed Monsters" mission for beginners can be brought back and the rewards can be the 15-minute skip tokens.
-Extracting, Ranking Up: Dr. Viktor's Patreon can reward those through leaderboards or milestone rewards again. Maybe replace the 400k food with a 6-hour skip, and the leaderboards can reward from 15-minute skips to 12-hour skips based on position. If not, every time you buy the maximum amount of cells in the shop you can get rewarded a speed-up token based on the rarity: 30-minute for rares, 1-hour for epics, 3-hour for legendaries and 6-hour for mythics.
-Speed-up tokens can also be obtained in mazes, race and tales chests.

[grand haven]

[slim sedge]

torture immunity is getting too common eh?

I think I know what this is

[grand haven]

Anticipation is getting a little too common - Corrupted Era
Control Immunity is getting a little too common - Metropolitan Era
Torture Immunity is getting a little too common - Doomsday Era
History repeats itself

[slim sedge]

yes

being

UA
AZ
SS

[grand haven]

New monster revolves around OP talents released in the past

hmmmm

makes you wonder

[slim sedge]

and this era, we're getting another op talent to be countered next era

[grand haven]

what a great addition to the game talents are, when done correctly

[rain spire]

wasnt Hardened the most Common Trait in all Eras

[slim sedge]

[grand haven]

Yea but you don't see 12 Anticipation monsters in Cosmic and OG Era

[rain spire]

woe

[grand haven]

what's the next talent gonna be, applies Evasion to all allies at the start of battle

and then oh hey pierce is getting a little too common

[slim sedge]

actually, pierce IS becoming common so

[rain spire]

“oh no ITTs are becoming so common”

[rain spire]

dont let Wyrmlad know this

[slim sedge]

if sandstorm actually blocks Pierce fully then we might see a talent related to that

maybe the free era saga talent?

[hollow nova]

sandstorm?

[grand haven]

the torture that was leaked a few months ago

said to block pierce

dk if it's just the status effect or the trait as well

[slim sedge]

yeah

one of the leaked new tortures

that hasn't seen the light of day

pretty sure that there's one more as well

just checked, only sandstorm hasn't been put on a monster yet

[hollow nova]

toxins was only recent right

even tho it was leaked same time as all the other new ones

[slim sedge]

yeah

it's only on an elp mon

[clear stump]

@versed walrus why Heroic dungeons for mythics? Heroic dungeons were implemented solely to get Warmasters, family of Legendaries. There's no warmaster mythics.

[wicked bluff]

I think he’s referring to the mythic remake of WMs

[slim sedge]

or they want something like the warmaster dungeons but for specific mythics

[wicked bluff]

But even then, there are only 2 of them right now.

[dapper oyster]

we don't have enough orbs to get the legendary versions

[orchid lodge]

also why the hell would they want to give us a Legends Pass monster

[versed walrus]

Yea but if they made new war master mythics that would also be cool bc besides the legendary war masters are basically useless now

[signal lance]

There is just one problem with that. How would SP make Mythic Warmasters and balance them?

[slim sedge]

well I mean you've seen Elvira and Zahra

[signal lance]

True

Zahra is... meh and Elvira was great but what I am worried about is people like Sheryzar and Thalassa

[weary plank]

They balanced Zahra by making her bad :trollpandalf:

[signal lance]

Zahra was already bad to begin with

[weary plank]

Yeah

[versed walrus]

Don’t make them too OP

[signal lance]

Again how though

[versed walrus]

By not making them too OP

They don’t need to be OP

[signal lance]

How can you balance Thalassa but still have her feel like Thalassa

[versed walrus]

Can you ss her skills? I forgot them I saw them recently so I remember how good they were

[slim sedge]

they should just use my remake of Thalassa

[rain spire]

do that then i will sent a british dog with a hammer

[signal lance]

@versed walrus you want me to DM it to you?

[versed walrus]

Ye

[wooden thunder]

because so far they kinda bad ngl

(i mean zahra)

[radiant fox]

Zahra is probably the free pass monster, right? From the looks of it at least...

[urban roost]

Glp

[radiant fox]

Fr? 😂😂

[slim sedge]

yes

[urban roost]

Flp is that rockdruid thing i think

Zahra is so mid lmao

[slim sedge]

indeed

well

first season glp talents tend to be op

so I would wait for those

[radiant fox]

Okay, if Zahra is GLP, then I'm probably not gonna be in a hurry to hatch the Druid

[urban roost]

When damaging target, gains itt (3 turns) and extra turn :pandalftroll:

[radiant fox]

All the GLP talents of the Doomsday were exceptionally good

[slim sedge]

when damaging an enemy, applies instant death to them (3 uses)

[urban roost]

P2w games dont last long

[radiant fox]

Nah... I've seen plenty which have been around almost as long as ML and still doing a steady business without resorting to cheap stuff like forced ads etc

[urban roost]

Ml’s only becoming very p2w recently

The entire 8 years is not it

[radiant fox]

No? It's been like this for as long as I remember

Right from the introduction of Nemesis monsters

Water wars used to be dominated by Thetyses back then, and soon, Charging Banner and Hydratila were introduced

On a diff note, atleast they had the sense not to give Queen Zahra her WM version's AoE life increase trait

[lean kelp]

forsakens and warmasters?

[slim sedge]

we don't talk about them

[radiant fox]

Nemeses, fellas, Nemeses

All the old timers remember Sammy, Xiron and Faraday

Well, Warthak too I guess 🤔

[clear stump]

Ive been around since 2013
At the worst half of this games history has been p2p oriented but it becomes more "p2w" as tome goes on.

[radiant fox]

Rn the game is in the exact same stage as the later Forsakens

[clear stump]

No imo

[radiant fox]

Only ridiculous traits have been added onto by Talents

What do u mean no?

[clear stump]

Forsakens suppressed any progress f2ps could make, and quite literally

In current era you can still be good and arguably competitive as f2p. Just more time consuming

[slim sedge]

not really

there are no monsters that can only be ranked up in their events currently

and are super op when ranked

[radiant fox]

Why don't y'all try going up against Spear of Destiny AND Seven Sins together and get back to me 😬

[lean kelp]

you can actually see f2ps in l1/top 100 nowadays and ranking up monsters is easier than ever

[clear stump]

Have
And won

[radiant fox]

In wars?

[clear stump]

Ye

[radiant fox]

On 150s?

[clear stump]

No because I don't war that high

[radiant fox]

Ah, I see

Then my statement stands 😅

[clear stump]

Bur you are discussing a scenario that any f2p will never achieve, or won't achieve for a while, not even encounter

[radiant fox]

I agree about L1, having achieved that myself several times

[clear stump]

150 seven sins and sod most f2ps will not war against such

[lean kelp]

f2ps back then could barely dream of going past l4

[clear stump]

War has and always will be a very p2w locked competitive scene

[radiant fox]

Well, PvP towards the end of a season isn't exactly a cakewalk either

[clear stump]

You can have a competitive f2p player yes
But they will still pale in comparison

[clear stump]

Not saying it is but it's dependent on your goal

[radiant fox]

L3 used to be achievable

[clear stump]

Used to, and then l1 opened up

[radiant fox]

Fair enough... But aiming for L1, I think my statement will be valid

[clear stump]

Not every player aiming for l1 will be facing 150 sod and seven sins lol

[radiant fox]

Matches usually take to so long to complete, u usually end up getting revenged/attacked with no net gain of trophies

[clear stump]

Just set a stall base and good to go

[radiant fox]

Idk man... They will, eventually

[clear stump]

Fairly sure if a player is using 150s with seven sins and sod then they'll have been projected a lot higher than most people will achieve

[radiant fox]

Like I said, stalling won't do much good if u win a match to find u've been wiped clean in the meantime and u walk away with, like +4/5 gain

[slim sedge]

ok I will

[radiant fox]

I've been facing them in the 6800 range 😭

[wooden thunder]

Corrupted Warmasters ae coming back you will all find out why soon

👀

[clear stump]

That's your fan thing bevil

Not a new thing either

We aren't talking about fanart here lol

[radiant fox]

And it isnt funny going up against a Taunt with Seven Sins/ Photophobic Shield thing, Uriel with Spear and a Frutastor

[clear stump]

Yeah because i just Triple Damage to Cupid and smack

Ol

Lol

[radiant fox]

Algata?

[clear stump]

Then next turn its just cycle my ETs

Nah raijin

2t x3 dmg

Want me to get a pic?

[radiant fox]

Nah, I believe u

Unfortunately I didn't play the Corrupted Era, so I have very little inventory

And Metro's all about damage instead of nifty skills

[clear stump]

I uninstall a few times around middle of corrupt

And yeah agreed

Gahy lol

[radiant fox]

😂😂

Gahy got a big smack in the face with Cupid

[wooden thunder]

i know but i think it going to be redone soon

[radiant fox]

Now there's no need to use the Thunder Beast as a compulsion

[slim sedge]

posi counters Gahy

[clear stump]

Slum

[radiant fox]

Lots of monsters do

But I usually like to compare in the same elements from a war point of view, as the restrictions allow for improvisation and strategies, and that's a key point in the game for me

[clear stump]

I don't like wars much but I can understand lol

[radiant fox]

Yeah well, war is the only place I can attack fast and go back to work 😅

Unless ofc we're unfortunate enough to face the scenario that started this conversation

Mind u, Soul Drag on a 150 still hurts 😂😂

[clear stump]

Oh hell yeah

Corrupt talents were beyond OP

[slim sedge]

UA and AZ be like:

[versed walrus]

There is that mega freeze talent that everyone puts on Chi Ao Loong

I hate that

[dapper oyster]

that's AZ

[versed walrus]

Ok

I didn’t play in corrupted era so I wouldn’t know

It is definitely possible to be competitive f2p tho bc there are so many good monsters that were available f2p (Slumster, Teddybomb, Cupid, Pango, Algata, most good monsters)

People always complain how all the best monsters are p2w which simply just isn’t true

Most of the best monsters are f2p

[grand haven]

The best monsters talents are p2w

[slim sedge]

well

[versed walrus]

Best talents are p2w for sure

[slim sedge]

the best talents are p2w, and most of the best monsters are f2p

[versed walrus]

Not monsters tho

[versed walrus]

Exactly

[slim sedge]

there are some good p2w monsters though

[grand haven]

Eh, that's a must

If p2w monsters always suck then whats the point buying them

[slim sedge]

glp for talents

[versed walrus]

Exactly

The p2w monsters have to be good which they are but the f2p ones are the best

[dapper oyster]

why do you guys call it pay to win but then say they suck?

you win at sucking?

[versed walrus]

When do I say they suck?

These people are paying so they can win

Which means p2w

[dapper oyster]

I'm not

[versed walrus]

And the monster is p2w bc only p2w players are able to get it bc you can’t get it free

That is what we mean

[dapper oyster]

but why say p2w and not paying, paid, premium?

[versed walrus]

Bc p2w is shorter

And that is what other people say

[dapper oyster]

p2p is just as short, and more accurate

[versed walrus]

Ok

[versed walrus]

Then there would be no point of defense team

[rain spire]

@upbeat escarp i dont understand your idea

[wicked bluff]

There would still be a point of the defense team, most attack teams won’t work well on defense. The AI simply too dumb

[versed walrus]

True

[rain spire]

@gilded eagle that kinda belongs to #monster-ideas

[signal lance]

And even then its been discussed why a Negative effect removal block or Negative effect protection is something that shouldn't exist

[versed walrus]

Yep

[rain spire]

@muted helm
1: Dont put 2 ideas in one message
2: Ideas involving Chat in Bounty Hunt is oversuggested/banned

[muted helm]

kk

[slim sedge]

wouldn't infinite health in the practice arena be bad if you want to test out how well your team can kill a certain monster

[clear stump]

@languid pike There are rewards revolving around your points 🤷 You do get Position rewards when the fugitive is killed.

[languid pike]

No?

Ohh yea

The position rewards yes

But so basically lets say i have kill the 3rd fugi right?

And it took me like 10 ish atks and i have like 20k pts

What is another guy who is in second place does nothing

Coz they saw i can do it like on my own

and they just go for bags

coz in the end they will get the same rewards except the fugi kill

So like i was thinking if there was a reward for 20k pts which someone with 2k pts couldnt get then it will be more convincing for players to help out

[clear stump]

well yes that's entirely what position rewards are about.

you won't get what another person will unless you overtake their points

[languid pike]

It is quite easy to get 2nd place... and leave first place for the person who beats the fugi

[clear stump]

in which case 1st place gets better rewards, you can't stop snipers

i hate snipers just as much as the next person, but i have to say it's really a case of beat them at their own game sometimes

[languid pike]

No i mean lets leave the rewards for killing the fugi

Idc who kills the fugi

Snipers or the one who works hard

Lets just say u did an atk

[orchid lodge]

theres also the newbie 🤨

[clear stump]

yeah the "Fugitive Killer" rewards mechanic works entirely separately to the Points reward

[languid pike]

and did like 10 mil against the third fugi

[languid pike]

Yea that was one of the flaws i noticed

[orchid lodge]

what if i was a newbie forced into L5 and my only chance of ever getting enough coins is to get second place positional rewards

[languid pike]

so basically i can do one atk get 5mil and then secure second place and just go for bags

[clear stump]

you get one set of rewards for being the person to reduce fugitives health to 0
and then on the other hand is via points and how much effort you put in overall

[languid pike]

Yes

That is exactly what im saying

But what abt

The difference in pts

Like i can get an ss of my bh rn

[clear stump]

if you want there to be coins given per how many points you have just say that lol

[languid pike]

I have 23k and the second place has 2k...

Pts so like im pretty much fighting the fugi alone

[orchid lodge]

what about it?

if you worked hard to secure second place, knowing you wont ever reach 20k, and see the other players doing literally nothing, what's the problem with getting the positional rewards

[languid pike]

So like if they see i can deal dmg then they might just go for bags even if they can atk

[orchid lodge]

if everyone but you and the 2nd place are doing something, then I see no problem

[clear stump]

anyone who can attack will attack, otherwise they know they risk not moving up to better rewards

[languid pike]

Huh?

[orchid lodge]

hell, you get all of those milestone rewards anyways

[languid pike]

Hmm ig

There was one guy when the fugi was found

He just got like 3k pts so obv coz he atked

But the fugi was defeated like 8hrs later and he only had 6k pts

[clear stump]

i personally think bounty hunt reward is fine as it is
yes snipers exist, yes we hate them, but it's not like you can do anything against them except play mind games.
if you want a system to give 1 coin per 10 points at the end of each League, you can just suggest that

[languid pike]

and secured second place

[languid pike]

Ohh true that is also smth

Yea 1 coin per 10 pts will just resolve the problem ig lol

[clear stump]

it's balanced, it's fair, and rewards all players for their effort equally without playing too much of a part on overall rewards

[languid pike]

Yea that is a smart idea tbh

[clear stump]

Personally I'd just wipe everything you'd said in #submit-ideas and just have it as this, i completely agree points themselves need to be rewarded prperly but everything above is beyond convoluted

plus an ingame BH Chat is already suggested and so needs going

[languid pike]

okay

Ill just delete the msg

[clear stump]

that's ok

[languid pike]

Done lol

[versed walrus]

@desert wraith As you said many people have complained about it and people know it is overpowered. It is not helpful to keep repeating what everyone else is saying bc it is just annoying. Also the thing about nano virus is not the problem bc even if you took that out it would still be way too overpowered. It is more the fact that it has 7 uses. Way over half the feedbacks are about bounty hunt and seven sins but atleast the bounty hunt ones are not all the same. No point in repeating what everyone else says just a waste of space.

[rain spire]

i see that Seven Sins is annoying and i like it nerfed but i dont see any reason about needing to repeat the feedback to demand sp to nerf seven sins

[slim sedge]

bruh can't they see everything SP is doing to counter Seven Sins

they've been adding Immune to Torture to like, every new monster

[versed walrus]

Ye

It is getting annoying tho bc tortures are just getting less valuable

[desert wraith]

Y never read and vote the feedback channel, it's the first feedback I post. So if it's annoying I'm sorry, the talents are the worst thing the game has.

[versed walrus]

Just don’t post the same thing everyone else posts

[rain spire]

@jovial cliff ideas involving more islands are oversuggested/banned

[slim sedge]

bruh the vault exists for a reason

that is literally an already existing solution to the space issue

and if you complain about not having space then you should actually try for vault keys

[rain spire]

tho it doesnt give you gold, theres no reason to repeat the demand of new islands

[clear stump]

even though it doesn't give you gold you still can get more than enough from Mythics alone

having vault + full island of Mythics is fine

[jovial cliff]

Sorry then

[clear stump]

it's fine, it's a valid request but you are far from the only one

[slim sedge]

also if your islands are full, what are they full with? Rares? Legendaries? I'd understand if you had a ton of old legendaries you wanted to keep but you can afford to sell pandakens and the like to make more room

[versed walrus]

lol

[jovial cliff]

I have been playing this game for over 5 years now so

[clear stump]

I like how False's new feedback is just a positive feedback on loading screens taking a bigger importance than just once in the game's lifetime

lol

[grand haven]

true

[versed walrus]

Lol

[weary plank]

what a pro idea

Posted it in 2 wrong channels now

[steep forum]

Hii

[radiant fox]

Can someone help me with the command that's needed to send in feedback?

I see Bionic's TL book is gone, and we still have the challenge for Glubu going on... What's the point of offering the monsters needed to complete the book AFTER it has expired? 😑

[signal lance]

Isn't it .suggestion

[radiant fox]

Idk honestly, hence I ask

Thank God I noticed the book being expired before I gemmed the guy

Anyway, thanks... Let me try it out

[signal lance]

Your welcome

I don't see the problem with changing the way med pack shows its heal.

If anything I would prefer it as it doesn't fill up the screen as much

[radiant fox]

If anyone deems my feedback as harsh, I apologise in advance, but I really am a bit too pissed atm 😅

Oh, Undead Slayer, the command is .suggest... The bot corrected me ☺️

[signal lance]

Noted. Thanks man

[radiant fox]

😃👍

[clear stump]

@limber cairn you want to use #general-feedback for that, that's not an idea :)

[karmic lance]

Cosmic ranking dungeon sp should do ...crou and doomed already we have them why cosmic ranking d...

[slim sedge]

what

I have no idea what you're trying to say there

[rain spire]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-question-marks-what-excuse-me-huh-gif-4486363