ideas-feedback-discussion

[autumn geyser]

Just for other

[rain spire]

GIMME OR ELSE IMA MAKE YOU USE TILT CONTROLS

[orchid lodge]

still salty about that task that got declined

[autumn geyser]

Lol

[rain spire]

i have 0 gems so im still proer than u

[shrewd inlet]

Not 45 laps yet

[autumn geyser]

They said your using my

Me

Close

We stopped racing after 2nd day

[shrewd inlet]

Off topic

[autumn geyser]

Rules

[clear stump]

I'm doing a task for some 6k gems, a multilevel one. I haven't logged in today yet but I hadn't received the first level of mine 😅

[clear stump]

It's actually still related to the idea that was being discussed, having gems in the rewards of races and why

[autumn geyser]

The task scare me

Because they are the best reward

[clear stump]

I wish there were some 500 gem tasks that didn't take ages to do 🤣

[autumn geyser]

Yes me to.

[clear stump]

very high risk but also very high reward, they are worth it though

[autumn geyser]

If you have the raid task

[clear stump]

the task I mentioned above, I'm actually enjoying it a lot

[clear stump]

Ah, now I did a RAID task some time in 2020 so therefore I'm invalid 🙃

[autumn geyser]

Oh

[clear stump]

Maybe I can cheese a completion now but I am doubtful

[shrewd inlet]

Emulator and do all 3

[orchid lodge]

I did a RAID task back then, did the task, it expired 🤨

Fyber proceeds to ignore all of my questions and lets it expire

[clear stump]

Buy me a really good pc then

i did the one fove-star hero task. took me about 10 hours, led in bed all day doing that rubbish. but still paid out the 2k gems. definitely worth it

[orchid lodge]

I literally did a task where they also had an offerwall and their system was 500% better (I got my rewards instantly and the rewards were amazing, it also registered instead of not registering)

[autumn geyser]

Did you see my 1 1 and 4 4 pvp

[clear stump]

Think that was how i did Neurofunk race, not sure

[clear stump]

I did, having different pvp settings like that has also been suggested before

[clear stump]

Is it Tapjoy perhaps?

[orchid lodge]

idk let me go check

[autumn geyser]

Ok cool. Do they ever use ideas

[orchid lodge]

no its ironSource

[autumn geyser]

I have had a lot of task not get rewarded

[clear stump]

Ironsource actually used to be an offerwall provider for ML

as did Supersonic, before Supersonic merged into Ironsource

[orchid lodge]

rlly? what happened

[autumn geyser]

Are y'all bots

[clear stump]

however as one of the two ongoing offerwall providers, Ironsource was found to be much less reliable than Fyber

[weary plank]

Yes, there are few real people here

[clear stump]

Therefore SP axed it

[clear stump]

they have many times before now

[orchid lodge]

how so? (as in what specifically was unreliable)

[clear stump]

no 🤣

[weary plank]

Can you name some?

[clear stump]

As in, didn't reward anything, and when appealed with proof still didn't work

[clear stump]

i've been meaning to go back through ideas channels and "name the succesful ones" tbh

[orchid lodge]

odd I find Fyber with that problem and not ironSource 🤔

[weary plank]

Please do would be very cool

[clear stump]

not done such so far given how much of a daunting task it is

but there's obviously some that did happen like rune swap, free skill swap

[weary plank]

Yeah that sometimes happens with Fyber, not sure if with proof tho. I do remember Fyber being a bit unreliable

[autumn geyser]

No there reply was some one in my house must have had or has that app or survey

[clear stump]

think live pvp was one of those, as was "the return of titan invasion" with the Titan Dungeon

[weary plank]

Makes sense

[autumn geyser]

Tick tock. I don't have tick tock

[orchid lodge]

Oh I gave proof alright, they did absolutely nothing and just gave the same no-brain full-of-excuses response they keep giving me

"Your windows still open, thats why its not redeeming"

[weary plank]

Yeah, and then the offer expires

[orchid lodge]

and then "Your offers expired, sowwwy"

[autumn geyser]

Oh

[orchid lodge]

happened with Raids and Lords Mobile task

I sent this to them for the Lords Mobile Level 14 task, a month hasnt passed yet

they said the offer was still open, and 3 months passed

then it expired and "Your offers expired, sowwwy"

[weary plank]

Someone I know got their offer's reward months after

Time to axe Fyber

[orchid lodge]

#AxeFyber smh

[clear stump]

i have had my offers rejected before annoyingly enough, but perhaps we have deviated a bit too far from the idea at hand

[rain spire]

my offers never give me gems

[autumn geyser]

How does the ideal make it to ml people

[orchid lodge]

if the idea has a significant impact, blatant flaw, or found thru luck

[clear stump]

I would assume easy to implement ones are more likely to get in

ie the Name Search box on monstagram

[grand haven]

emerald relic 😔

[night talon]

@potent hound bro I think netherite has copyright claims from mojang

So uh not possible

[rain spire]

Gun Relic

[hearty oxide]

Ruby

[jovial plover]

😔

[rain spire]

@acoustic lantern name changing ideas are banned

[acoustic lantern]

Why

[rain spire]

too many people suggested that

[acoustic lantern]

Then they should just implement it

[orchid lodge]

why do you want name change anyways

[acoustic lantern]

My name slicer&dicer

That’s y

[rain spire]

i dont see that as a problem

[orchid lodge]

yeah i dont either

[acoustic lantern]

I do

[rain spire]

how so

[orchid lodge]

if anything, it prevents anyone from having the same name as you

[acoustic lantern]

I just dislike it

[rain spire]

then why did you came up with it

[acoustic lantern]

It was like 4 years ago idk

[orchid lodge]

again, not a big problem

[rain spire]

i used my real name as my ml account like 6 years ago

[orchid lodge]

lel

[rain spire]

it was embarrassing but all in all, theres no big problem to change your name Surely

[orchid lodge]

especially in the type of game ML is

[rain spire]

Xbox: laughs in wasting 10$ to change your name

[weary plank]

Doesn't mean they should

[grand haven]

Me: Please, MLO, give me [new trait/effect ideas]
#submit-ideas : How about everything except that?

[signal lance]

The first part of the new idea is one I cannot understand so someone please come inform me on that.

The second part is one that has been suggested to death and we have MANY reasons as to why that is a bad idea

The third one is just unneeded as Pokémon trading cards are going to overshadow any ML playing card game

[orchid lodge]

probably searching usernames individually

also how where skins obtainable back then?

[wicked bluff]

Through tales and stuff, sometimes cell events

[orchid lodge]

what if skins could be created with a rank milestone 🤔

“Congrats on a R3 Steamwrath, have a skin ”

I’ve seen it done before

[grand haven]

what's the steamwrath skin though

[orchid lodge]

some sorta uniform instead of overalls prob

who know maybe she becomes demon

[clear stump]

I did do a little bit of tidying up jsyk.

Happened after Slayers three part monologue. I think.

[gilded eagle]

Can we repost our previous suggestion?

[signal lance]

Was it deleted?

If so I wouldn't if I were you

[clear stump]

Not in ideas channels no. In feedback channels, I don't see why there would be any reason to.

[hearty plaza]

@signal lance that’s the only way to get attanetion.

[foggy summit]

i used my moms name until i got it changed by support 4 years later

[clear stump]

What Criminor doesn't know doesn't know that rankcrequirements usednto be a thing in wars iirc

I'm talking 2018 here, when leagues first came out

[gilded eagle]

@topaz pine why would they make that a feature

They legit give u a confirmation if u wanna sell it

If u sell it, that's on u, nothing to do with the game

[weary plank]

Also, if you somehow sell one accidentally or someone else sold it for you, contact support

[rain spire]

#general-feedback being werted again

[clear stump]

Just sell them. Bruh.

[rain spire]

@sudden nymph ever heard of selling, just like what isabelle said

[sudden nymph]

Btw they haven't fixed feedback bot?

[clear stump]

MLO folk can't fix the bot

When it goes offline, it goes offline

[flint stone]

That’s right.

[grand haven]

why are there just 3 people downvoting the latest feedback

[dapper oyster]

because people want the fugitives to be realistically killable

and the "glitches" they are referring to allow that to happen

[orchid lodge]

I'd suggest them be killable before fixing the bug

[dapper oyster]

that's not the order that things happen in

as much as we would like it to

[orchid lodge]

just letting you know what should be done first imo

[grand haven]

We did just fine when the fugitives weren't able to be insta-killed

[dapper oyster]

we know, but the people that develop, but don't play, the game have different ideas

[orchid lodge]

We also did just fine when people were separated instead of noobs like me getting rushed to L7 unwillingly

[dapper oyster]

there's not been a hunt yet where they couldn't be

[grand haven]

Right the ults

[dapper oyster]

not just that

nox, francine, lamia, death countdown from monsters, death countdown from the talent

[grand haven]

no that was the BH 2 months ago

the most broken one

[slim sedge]

they patched loads of the bugs

[dapper oyster]

the one i spent the most money on because it was enjoyable

but every hunt has had at least one of these

[slim sedge]

maybe the new talent will work

[dapper oyster]

not if you mention it here

[orchid lodge]

If fugitive was killable, theres a higher chance that anyone who wants to exploit the bugs will tip their scale and find more value in taking down the fugitive legitimately

[slim sedge]

doesn't matter

[grand haven]

I'm content with ults able to insta-kill, that's fine, but jesus christ the amount of sniping and stealing is so dumb

[dapper oyster]

the fugitives have way too much health

[slim sedge]

SOMEONE will mention a bug if it exists

[dapper oyster]

unfortunately

[slim sedge]

you can't stop that

[grand haven]

There's a reason why fugitives have insta-kill immunity

[slim sedge]

but it's also how they get around

[dapper oyster]

yes, there is, but there's no reason they have pyrophobic shield and 1M hp

[grand haven]

I agree, last BH was very dumb, and it was obvious SP was trying to get people to buy yearend

if it weren't for the insta-kill

[orchid lodge]

even with intended features, it's still pretty unkillable

[dapper oyster]

the instakill definitely caused more sales

from people buying stamina

i had to earn 50k more points in dr viktors to get a similar position to other hunts

[grand haven]

yea but it's clearly not the established goal when it got patched

[dapper oyster]

i'm quite sure there's no statistical analysis around this

happy players = happier spenders

[grand haven]

I'm just mixed about BH, before the thermagorn incident it was more enjoyable to me

probably because I wasn't forced to move up a league every time a fugitive is defeated

[dapper oyster]

but before thermagorn there were still easy kills

[grand haven]

yes, the easy ult kills, I'm fine with that

[orchid lodge]

same

[dapper oyster]

not just those

[orchid lodge]

ULTs are chances on top of chances

[dapper oyster]

you had lamia in the first hunt or two, removing positive effects and applying reverse healing, so you could heal the fugitives to death

then you had the hunts where the fugitive hater wasn't artifact, so you could do 50-70M per battle

but then they brought out new fugitives

and then rag

goran is just horrible

[grand haven]

I agree to all of this

[dapper oyster]

king rock or whatever his fugitive name is

we need to be able to spend 30 stamina killing a fugitive, not 200

the "glitches" are the only light we have right now

sniping or not

[grand haven]

It's just bad what SP did to BH

[dapper oyster]

yea

such a good concept, ruined by impossibility

[orchid lodge]

'nough said

[grand haven]

I can tolerate bugs, snipings and exploits as long as there aren't people defending it by saying "it's not a bug"

[dapper oyster]

I mean, none of them were bugs

if you understand how traits and immunities work, you'd be able to see that

[orchid lodge]

hm?

[grand haven]

Fugitive literally has Cursed Countdown/Instant Death immunity as a trait

[dapper oyster]

yes

[grand haven]

what do you mean it's not a bug?

[dapper oyster]

but you're thinking of "i can't die to cursed countdown or instant death" as a human

[orchid lodge]

"Bug" as in an unintended effect

it's not meant to vulnerable to instant death and cursed countdown

[dapper oyster]

this wasn't bugs, it was neglect

[rain spire]

what i missed

also bruh

[grand haven]

but neglection leads to bugs

[dapper oyster]

not quite

[grand haven]

Thermagorn DC bypassing those traits are bugs, they were clearly meant to block it

the DC bypassing immunity trait was a bug before the events of BH

[dapper oyster]

each trait and skill are made up of components, immunities are made up of a list of components that they are immune to

[grand haven]

it was reported 2 weeks before BH

[dapper oyster]

there are thousands of components

[orchid lodge]

Bugs are often mistake and artifacts of missing something
But you can't call it "neglect", it's a bit harsh, don't you think
A game developer isn't "neglecting" a bug just because of their existence

[dapper oyster]

the trait was immune to all the things they told it to be immune to

but there were another set of countdowns they didn't make it immune to

and nox's skill is technically a special

[orchid lodge]

due to neglect (lack of testing), it led to the development of bugs

the correction was unnecessary

[grand haven]

Sure, you can count Nox, Francine and maybe X-mess as neglect, but Therma's DC isn't. It was very much immune when it got released

Letalis' DC was also immune, until that point

that is a bug

[dapper oyster]

would you say that if you have a toaster and try to put a different type of bread into it that is too big for the slot is a bug?

[dapper oyster]

yes, they all use the same component

[orchid lodge]

this is a large scale game that isn't comparable to a trivial situation of which is easily observable by a normal indiviual

the comparison is unreasonable

[grand haven]

no, but if I have a toaster that toasted the same type of bread every day but one day it just suddenly can't toast that bread, then it's a bug

[dapper oyster]

this isn't a large scale game

[orchid lodge]

a game is a lot of code not a simple action what are you on

[dapper oyster]

how does that make it large scale

[orchid lodge]

have you never conceived the concept of a game with code ever?

its not that simple.

[dapper oyster]

i've written my own games, yes

[grand haven]

ML is certainly less complicated than others, but that just makes neglection all the more awful

[orchid lodge]

congratulations, it's still not that simple

[dapper oyster]

but again, how is this game large scale?

[orchid lodge]

It's a simple way of telling you "it's not that simple"

[dapper oyster]

xD

[grand haven]

so we're done here?

good

[rain spire]

pls end it im bout to run out of popcorn

[slim sedge]

zamn

pointless discussion

[stray condor]

hello

where argument

[rain spire]

scroll up

[grand haven]

gone, reduced to atoms

[stray condor]

this was a scam

smh my head

[dapper oyster]

no argument, just 3 people saying the same thing 3 different ways

[stray condor]

i'll be the judge of that

[grand haven]

all of this, yet still nothing to fill in the bingo

[orchid lodge]

thats hilarious

and true

[grand haven]

#submit-ideas please become more active

🙏

I need to complete my bingo

[rain spire]

did you list down skins for your bingo?

[grand haven]

no

[rain spire]

darn

let me see the chart

[orchid lodge]

k brb

[grand haven]

actually can I count @rain spire idea as detailed?

[rain spire]

someone asks for a bh mons with spirit trait

[grand haven]

🤔

[rain spire]

wdym

[grand haven]

I wrote down a slot that says "detailed idea"

but for the entire time I never considered how detailed is "detailed"

[rain spire]

huh

[grand haven]

I mean if I count that then I'd have 2 more bingos

ah screw it I'm counting it

2 more bingos

[rain spire]

and those 2 are?

[grand haven]

what

oh wait

only one

I'm mistaken

[rain spire]

lmao

[grand haven]

2 in one

epic

[night talon]

@alpine wave no it's a banned idea

[rain spire]

#general-feedback back to being werted

[hearty plaza]

The thought of an idea being a banned idea goes against the fundamentals of a channel for ideas.

[orchid lodge]

It’s not unreasonable for some ideas (not defending repeated ideas) to be banned

The idea might’ve not considered possible consequences, the company’s own capabilities, actual use, gem inflation, community opinion and actual logic

[hearty plaza]

Well banning ideas in a channel specifically for asking for customers ideas is likesaying we want your ideas. But we say what ideas we want. If you buy a car you’d expect it comes with wheels

I wouldn’t ban any ideas. That’s what people like us are for to tell them it’s a stupid idea

[orchid lodge]

like not allowing:
Hatching Guardian (makes Breeding Events too easy, devalues Legends Pass)
Crafted eggs to Storage (easy hoarding)
Discard Pvp eggs (makes getting pvp monster too easy, devalues Pvp Legends Pass)
Extra Space/Islands (it’s what the vaults for, devalues the gem island)
Trading (obvious reason why)

[orchid lodge]

it feels like unnecessary to constantly remind people why it’s a bad idea instead of straight up banning it

ideas are banned for a reason
they’ve already heard it and has reasons not to accept them
we aren’t omniscient so we can often be blinded to why it’s a bad idea and not knowing they’ve already responded to such ideas

[slim sedge]

if those ideas weren't banned the entire #submit-ideas would be filled with them

[clear stump]

What you forget is that the ideas channel isn't moderate by socialpoint or a socialpoint affiliate. If we were to remove all barriers on ideas including repeated ones (which have probably been in place since way before you originally quit, beard. Sonnor and Saph both didn't like repeated ideas) we would see a lot more ideas yes, but we would also see a lot more of the exact same stuff, a lot more feedback and not ideas, it'd become really hard to keep track of what the players actually want in the long run ie Lutum Dungeon. If you were here when Mari was still around, you'd see how well the feedback channels used to be ran but now it's just a place where people like Moamen put... "feedback". Some of it doesn't even have a point, sometimes it is unintelligible, other times ypu have people who make errors and can't edit it or break it u across multiple feedbacks for whatever reason. I try my best along with Tyra to limit the repeats to make it easier for everyone to track what they want - if you want something, suggest it. If it's been suggested, upvote it, the discord search system is very user friendly. Plus pinging someone to tell them an idea is stupid isn't the nicest thing. imo your idea is stupid 🤫😉😂
I have don't see any idea why any of this in her requires "voting" upon. Pretty disgusting imo

TL,DR: don't assume this channel is run by SP the company specifically. We have rules for a reason, as well as a valid comparison point as to why. The overall system is simple and useful

[hearty plaza]

I mean I get SP owns this server per say and moderators they choose run it. But limiting what feedback ideas are permitted isn’t a feedback channel. I had no idea certain ones are banned. Certain people like what’s his four chromosomes are acceptable. But if they want feedback 🤷🏻‍♂️ they will get what they ask for

[orchid lodge]

this is implying that the feedback is well-informed and/or useful and helpful

it’s like if i hosted a QnA and I limited the questions I’ve already answered
It’s like that except with suggestions and feedbacks that’s already perceived as a bad idea

[clear stump]

This is why we have separate categories for feedback and ideas. Feedback for the most pressing things, things that are already happening/have happened that you'd like to see change. The ideas channel is for new things or major reworks, and any feedback gets removed with a request to move it to feedback channel

[foggy summit]

Just wondering, why do you no longer put ideas in #ideas-voting?

[slim sedge]

too busy

they're trying to get a bot for it

[wise surge]

I believe this was explained a while back but like terrarian said its too much work for 2 people to sort through all the random stuff and make sense of it

[orchid lodge]

What do y’all think of controlled notifications

[wise surge]

👍

[clear stump]

Definitely one I could get behind

[clear stump]

Time constraints forbade me from doing so

[hearty plaza]

Oh that’s what that’s for. Never use it

[foggy summit]

Ah ok

[hearty plaza]

Isa just lazy 😏

[clear stump]

go for it, beard, you're welcome to attempt to fight 6 months of suggestions 😂

remember formatting, correcting poor grammar, sifting through repeats, asking questions where needed, and of course the reactions

[hearty plaza]

🤣 @clear stump you know I don’t have time for all that. I said YOUR TOO LAZY I know I’m too lazy

[clear stump]

🤣

[hearty plaza]

I’d just delete most and send it.

Should be easier now without what’s his name

The train wreck

[clear stump]

Moamen?

[hearty plaza]

Yeah him

[clear stump]

lol

in fairness, they were only here a week or two. plus they tended to stay on feedback, not ideas, which isn't accounted for in the voting channel. only ideas

[hearty plaza]

Wait. Really? He wasn’t here before I left?

I feel like he was

[clear stump]

i doubt it highly

[orchid lodge]

controlled notifications cant come soon enough
I have a macro that skips through the dumb yahoo ads with 10-second sections, five sections per ad, and the "Free Chest" notification constantly blocks it

[clear stump]

That's a reposted feedback right? 🤦‍♀️

[grand haven]

yep, that's george

half of his feedbacks are reposts

[clear stump]

Not even surprised.

[hearty plaza]

@clear stump remember when I talked to you about those nodes on RUSD? Would that be a good feedback or?

[clear stump]

Of course, but remove ults from rusd was a thing just yesterday in there lol

[hearty plaza]

How about the relic part. That been yapped about yet

[clear stump]

Probably

@autumn abyss you are aware Armor Gaming is an official collaborator of socialpoint and even had his own monster 2 years ago right 😅

[autumn abyss]

yes so?

[clear stump]

Are you using Armor Gaming as an example or a comparison point there 🤔

Because it does read like an example as if he is not sponsored already

[rain spire]

@summer thorn what does asains not getting gems have to do with ideas

[summer thorn]

i did not find any chanel for complaying so told there

[hollow nova]

It's not an idea though

[summer thorn]

plz

anwser me

why we dont get

why

[hollow nova]

#submit-ideas is to submit ideas, not complaining

(ik i'm not ideas department but still)

SP doesn't control tasks

[rain spire]

bruh this is an idea discussion channel not complain

[summer thorn]

where i complain

[rain spire]

dont know dont care

[summer thorn]

ty'

[summer thorn]

should i talk to dev or cm

👀

who are devs btw

and what they do

[rain spire]

dont know but i think complain ml stuff to Rocks wont help

[hollow nova]

@summer thorn

Do not contact devs or CM it is against the rules

[hollow nova]

Dev stuff

[summer thorn]

oh

but i talked to cm one day

[hollow nova]

well don’t again

[summer thorn]

bruh

[summer thorn]

then what should i do

[hollow nova]

you can’t do anything

[summer thorn]

😭

[hollow nova]

dyno’d

[summer thorn]

help me

pwease

[hollow nova]

what do you want me to do

[summer thorn]

whom shouldi talk now

i need gems

its sp advantage

i will do task

and sp will get money

[hollow nova]

SP doesn’t control tasks i said that

[summer thorn]

then who control

[hollow nova]

fyber

and please turn off pings when you reply to me

[summer thorn]

👀

ok

fyber tag ?

[hollow nova]

?

[foggy summit]

Fyber is separate from Monster Legends

You can’t do anything about it sadly

[summer thorn]

plz give me fber contant

[foggy summit]

We don’t control Fyber

That’s a separate company

[summer thorn]

ok give me fyber contact number

[hollow nova]

‘contact number’

what, you’re gonna call them and ask for change

idk if you can do much if at all with tasks in your region

i don’t know how to contact them anyway

[summer thorn]

whutttttttttttt

[foggy summit]

You can’t use a VPN either because you can get banned from Monsterwood for doing so

[summer thorn]

nooooooooooooo

ye

s

give me tag number

i wil call them and will complain

ughhhhh

[foggy summit]

https://www.fyber.com

[hollow nova]

wym tag number

[summer thorn]

ty

[foggy summit]

You contact them there I think

[hollow nova]

have you even read anything that we’ve said

[summer thorn]

ok

[summer thorn]

yes

[hollow nova]

clearly not

[foggy summit]

But I don’t think contacting will do anything

[summer thorn]

huh

[foggy summit]

They won’t change tasks in a region because someone is complaining about it

[summer thorn]

👀

bye foreever

[hollow nova]

please don’t

[summer thorn]

😭

[hollow nova]

and please don’t make comments like that

[rain spire]

please dont message anything involving suicide

[hollow nova]

it could be sensitive to people

delete the comment please

[summer thorn]

i will not suside cz its not allowed in my religion

😅

but what sould i do

oof

help me

[rain spire]

idk

[summer thorn]

😭

[hollow nova]

have you not read anything

[foggy summit]

You can’t do anything about it

[hollow nova]

we don’t think you can do much

delete this please

[foggy summit]

Unless you move countries for new Fyber tasks

[rain spire]

jesus its like a 5 year not caring about reading about the info

[summer thorn]

🙁

[hollow nova]

you can manage without tasks and money, i do

[summer thorn]

👀

[hearty plaza]

What even is this. What did I just read

I just wasted five minutes trying to understand why this conversation happened or lasted this long

[slim sedge]

because of a wert who's already been told to message Fyber about their issue

[clear stump]

I didn't bother to read it. I was half asleep when it happened.

[clear stump]

Swntri didn't we have a presets idea just last week

[rain spire]

we did?

oh wait we did

[orchid lodge]

I'd know, I also accidently suggested it not knowing its already a suggested idea

[rain spire]

lmao

besides the many over suggested ones, presets are one of the these i like

[orchid lodge]

@languid hinge @subtle ruin oversuggested

[clear stump]

@viscid sorrel best if you provide a specific example within your idea, otherwise its just feedback 😅

[wise surge]

@humble cairn
I agree that those monsters are infuriating to fight against in duels and I would like some of them to be removed.
However.
They are not guaranteed victories. It is very easy to beat Pango and some of the other monsters you mentioned if the person using them plays it stupidly. I have had multiple battles against Pango and 2 attackers that I won because they played badly

Its not difficult to beat someone that doesn't understand the strategy of how to use certain monsters

[rain spire]

not to mention that pango can easily be killed if they put team speed runes on him

[humble cairn]

Dark Voltaik is broken as hell

If you don’t apply shock to it or have a monster with Anticipation before it’s turn starts it’s basically game over

[weary plank]

Beambot Posidonia Lucky Clint

[rain spire]

Anticipations: bruh

also Pers

[humble cairn]

I forgot to mention Anticipation

Also UV Fusion exists and for whatever reason I keep facing opponents that have it alongside Dark Voltaik

I probably just have awful RNG

[wise surge]

@robust gust What talent does rex have?

[robust gust]

Oh I figured out what was wrong it was a monster on the team that had pacifier essence and Rex has the last hope I forgot that damaging teammates triggers their talents

[orchid lodge]

@autumn geyser overpowered because of easy resources, era-specific cell rewards uncertain (like how you get Metro cells of your team as well as Nebula)

Trading ideas are banned

[autumn geyser]

Banned

[clear stump]

returning of rankup dungeon is just no

Jones, don't know if you were aware but in #submit-ideas exists a proper list of banned ideas

[autumn geyser]

No I was not

We're is the list

[orchid lodge]

I'd suggest you also use some proper English

[autumn geyser]

Lol

[jade sparrow]

very pro englesh

[jade sparrow]

trading would be a nightmare

[autumn geyser]

I will get my dictionary out for the next one

[jade sparrow]

you could just use an alt account to milk it for mythics you dont have on your main

[orchid lodge]

- The quote of someone who made it banned

[orchid lodge]

Dictionary won't help you for holding conversations

[jade sparrow]

grammarly

grammarly can solve your problem

[autumn geyser]

Oh I forgot people have two accounts

Support understand me. Cause I give them a good time

[wicked bluff]

Ah understandable

[orchid lodge]

wut

[autumn geyser]

Well the support team, properly understands me. We have a good time

[orchid lodge]

congrats, a proper sentence, good job

[autumn geyser]

Yes ma'am.

[clear stump]

Go to #submit-ideas , swipe left, tap Pins

and can we please not not take the mickey out of others for having english skills different to our own, chat? deplorable activity.

[orchid lodge]

apologies.

[autumn geyser]

I see it now. Thank you

Why did global chat get taken away.

Taken big words

[orchid lodge]

I'll let Isabelle take this one

[clear stump]

I presume it's something to do with the survey they held approximately a month before Corrupted Era commenced, which was also probably something related to negative feedback

[hearty plaza]

Wait. Return of rank ups are banned?

[clear stump]

The moderation for global chat just didn't work.

[autumn geyser]

Good enough

[hearty plaza]

Global chat wa sa cesspool

[wicked bluff]

Wait what?

[clear stump]

Return of things like titan dungeon, infinite gauntlet ideas yes. we are inundated with them

[hearty plaza]

Idk what those are. Hopefully a better way to get corrupted cells.

If so unban that beast and send em

[autumn geyser]

Oh I wanted the amarosia dungeon to just be able to use anyone

[hearty plaza]

The corrupted cell dungeon belongs in a landfill

[autumn geyser]

I guess when u miss out. U miss out

[clear stump]

The censorship on there didn't work and there was no way to remove a message that caused offence. People could be as foul, derogatory and hateful as they wished, which was extremely inappropriate for a game that often involves children. furthermore, all bans were automated. Any block on a player sending messages was imposed when a threshold of reports was passed, meaning if you and a few other people reported one player they got a temporary ban. Not only that, but you could circumvent said ban by going onto things like Duels and fighting in there, and then Global Chat would be returned to you. It was nonfunctional.

[hearty plaza]

Even a returning player from the legendary days can’t get more than 6 corrupted cells a day.

[clear stump]

Titan Dungeon was used for this purpose, assuming you mean Lutum, and is often suggested

[hearty plaza]

Yeah. Lutum. My phone won’t often let me say lutum so I say corrupted cells

[clear stump]

lol you just did twice

[hearty plaza]

Yeah turned off my auto correct

Now it’s back on 🙂

Don’t start with me

[autumn geyser]

If u could run any monsters in the doom day rank up dungeon. Is what I was saying

[clear stump]

Watchu gonna do, tipe yor wey inti oblivipn? 😉

[autumn geyser]

The bad guys are from different eras

[hearty plaza]

Won’t take me long to get on a plane 🤨

That does make sense

[orchid lodge]

whilst I agree that the f2p options from the doomsday erea (on average) aren't particularly good, they're still going to follow the RUSD formula like the Metro RUSD

[hearty plaza]

And why when you lose their health regens but when you win yours doesn’t

[clear stump]

Last I remember, every rankup cells dungeon since mythics were implemented 2 years ago all required using their respective monsters. Amber dungeon required original mythics, infinite gauntlet needed cosmics and so forth. if the enemies were all of the same era it'd be much harder to make decent progress.

[clear stump]

now this is something that frustrates me, thankfully enemies that died stay dead

[hearty plaza]

Yes. If not I’d rage. Along with many others.

[clear stump]

agreed

[orchid lodge]

it's called a dungeon not a fair fight

[clear stump]

lol

[autumn geyser]

Yes I understand the part of your health

[hearty plaza]

Hey if your bad at the game your bad. But you should still play

It’s called garbage can not garbage can’t

[autumn geyser]

It's just if you missed out on chi low pure pandolf or that lord it's really hard to get them ranked up. Those 3 are still a factor

[orchid lodge]

but they arent the only option

[hearty plaza]

I agree. But at the same@time if they made it easier for new players or returning then everyone would be rocking a rank 5 chi

[clear stump]

^

[hearty plaza]

They are for the era dungeons

[autumn geyser]

Oh I no there not the only option

[clear stump]

if lutum was any more available than what it is now, i'd have both spekthra chi and master rat at rank 5. theyre at levels 146, 140 and 144 respectively - they were my preferred lutum use options

[rain spire]

oh man what i missed

[clear stump]

hi sentri

[hearty plaza]

Jones does have a point. But it’s eh. Can’t really help it. I’d enjoy a chi rank 3

[clear stump]

missed a mini essay of mine

[rain spire]

hello isa

[autumn geyser]

I did not know what skills were good then. Now I do.

[rain spire]

too bad so sad i have no essay

[clear stump]

here

[hearty plaza]

Global chat was bad

[rain spire]

is it another argument about global chat?

[hearty plaza]

Really bad

[autumn geyser]

No

[clear stump]

not an argument

just an extended answer to a question with explanation why

[rain spire]

oh

[autumn geyser]

Just asking why

I quit my team. So I didn't see it

[hearty plaza]

Who doesn’t want to be married to someone on monster legends ina global chat and send “xoxo ❤️ “ all day every day

[clear stump]

Awww.. nice to know you think of me that way ❤️

[hearty plaza]

You know I do. Can’t even drink a coffee without getting a tingle

[clear stump]

🤣

[hearty plaza]

Don’t ban me

[autumn geyser]

Lol

Banned

[hearty plaza]

I know. One less server as soon as Helen gets on

[rain spire]

what about it

[autumn geyser]

Are y'all on same team

[rain spire]

not in LIOOM

[clear stump]

I'm on LIOOM most days.

[orchid lodge]

I didnt know flirting was allowed in this channel

[clear stump]

consider it a joke between friends

[autumn geyser]

Lol

[orchid lodge]

that was some lovey dovey jokes then lel

[clear stump]

me and beard here chat a lot, we both have a laugh with each other and at each other's expense

[autumn geyser]

Good times

[rain spire]

while on my team everyone hates me for buying heiss

[orchid lodge]

not appropriate

[autumn geyser]

The chimney

[clear stump]

how

[autumn geyser]

Sorry

[orchid lodge]

"Good times"
Jones said in the middle of witty banter as if he was there

[clear stump]

which doesnt make it inappropriate tho does it

[rain spire]

lmao

[autumn geyser]

Good times. As in no worries

[orchid lodge]

im gonna go not exist temporarily

[rain spire]

incorrect

[autumn geyser]

Ok. But y'all

[rain spire]

its “Not Talk Temporarily”

get it right next time bruh

[orchid lodge]

who said that was what im doing

[rain spire]

idk

[clear stump]

for real though, i don't think we have ever had an all-encompassing rankup dungeon idea

[rain spire]

and that is…

[hearty plaza]

Isa has seen my kids and knows where I moved from and live and work 🤣 alight banter is nothing

[clear stump]

as in, one for all eras

[clear stump]

he's correct, don't know if he knows any of that stuff about me though

but to be clear i don't have kids. 🙃

[hallow knot]

me

[clear stump]

no shut up you.

[hearty plaza]

Where you used to work general living location and your favorite hobby.

[clear stump]

everyone knows my favourite hobby 🤣

[hearty plaza]

That I didn’t know

[orchid lodge]

Due to the nature of reverse psychology, someone will deny that

[clear stump]

and they would be wrong

[hearty plaza]

Well some people have seen my oldest but only three on discord have seen the baby. And one is my cousin 🤣

[clear stump]

lol

[orchid lodge]

well thats sad because i dont know ur favorite hobby

[hearty plaza]

Not a very good friend

To the gulag

[orchid lodge]

I didn't know I had friends 😍

[clear stump]

🤣

[hearty plaza]

I’m your friend? What in the world is this 🤨

[rain spire]

haha i have no friends

[clear stump]

news to me i am sure

[rain spire]

[clear stump]

mwahaha

[rain spire]

i look fancy with my pfp being cut in half

[orchid lodge]

i look fancy with being offscreen

[rain spire]

fancy indeed

[hearty plaza]

Exposing isas friends

[clear stump]

heheh

[orchid lodge]

hehehehah

[autumn geyser]

Why can't I write in the looking for a team

[clear stump]

because that is for people who are looking for a team. your roles say you are a leader or co lead of a team.

[autumn geyser]

I quit

[clear stump]

@rancid hemlock quick thing about your feedback. That's more than likely a bug which doesn't go in that channel, and it isn't a new issue unfortunately. If you lost the duel then you can contact support (see below on how) for a tokens refund

?Support

[winged cove]

🍏 For iOS:
Go to in-game Settings (top right corner)
1️⃣ Tap the SUPPORT tab
2️⃣ Choose any topic
3️⃣ Choose any topic again
4️⃣ Tap on the "Contact Us" (top right corner)
5️⃣ Choose a topic related to your issue
6️⃣ Fill out the form and hit send

🤖 For Android:
Go to in-game Settings (top right corner)
1️⃣ Tap the SUPPORT tab
2️⃣ Choose any topic
3️⃣ Choose any topic again
4️⃣ Tap on the speech icon (top right corner)
5️⃣ Choose a topic related to your issue
6️⃣ Fill out the form and hit send

Don't have access to your device? Check https://socialpoint.helpshift.com/a/monster-legends-mobile/

[clear stump]

As in, quit being the leader/coleader?

[autumn geyser]

My team

[clear stump]

Oh wow, I wonder why your name changed colour

[rancid hemlock]

oh ok

I will do that, thx!

[clear stump]

😄

[autumn geyser]

Thank you

[clear stump]

[autumn geyser]

Bots bots

They need to see my stuff. They can't take my word that I'm pretty decent player

Im leaving just my word

Gn love y'all grown folks business. Y'all do. Sorry again about earlier. Both times

I will work on my grammar so I sound my age on the outside

[clear stump]

lol it's okay, glad to have a fun chat of course

[rain spire]

in a ideas discussing channel

[clear stump]

this shows ideas can be fun 😉

[hearty plaza]

Just don’t be a Moam

[clear stump]

Moamen.

Sounds like you're trying to spell Maoam, a Haribo sweet.

[orchid lodge]

or Momma

[hearty plaza]

Yeah that that it

Thing

Human

[dapper oyster]

or trying to type the sound that Flat Eric makes in Flat beat by Mr Oizo

[clear stump]

wallnut, i feel like that's solely applicable in survival dungeons, probably best to specify if it's to be used elsewhere because otherwise stamina should be useful for

[orchid lodge]

Gem dungeons and Maze Coin dungeons

[clear stump]

Reading it again, sounds better now.

[rain spire]

Front’s idea looks like a certified bruh moment

[orchid lodge]

and due to the nature of tokens being in groups, gives more incentive for pvp legends pass and either gives me a bunch of (280) Maze Coins, a bunch of (15) Gems, or a bunch of 50 cells and some Nebula

[grand haven]

Make the game great again
Ah the good ol' "Make a feedback without reasoning, solution, steps or details about your dislike of the game" feedback

[hearty plaza]

The game great again

2015 is long gone

Well 16

[clear stump]

No idea why that feedback comes now, has there been a card flip challenge confirmed coming up? 🤔

[rain spire]

yeah i dont understand that “mistake” in card swipe

[weary plank]

Banned idea moment

[urban roost]

oop, i didnt read the banned options

but coincidently the banned options are what ml needs the most

[weary plank]

Was saying that to prime but still works

[stray condor]

the skin idea is bad

[wooden thunder]

but why?

its being underused

so we should bring it back

[stray condor]

no

think of it like this

they reanimate a whole monster

for a skin

instead of working on new monsters

[wooden thunder]

fair but

to many monster is bad also

so atleast balance both out

[hearty plaza]

They made a whole thing for skins. Have like four monsters skins over like two years and said nah to skins and just remade the monsters. SP implements bad/useless ideas and does thing that are lazy and make no sense all the time

[wooden thunder]

true

but

i still like the idea of skins

[stray condor]

[hearty plaza]

Then they couldn’t charge you $20 again for lots inheritor with better stats and a slight cosmetic change

[stray condor]

they can

cuz different monster

skins are 100% the same except design

[hearty plaza]

So your telling me lord inheritor is different than inheritor but a re skin wouldn’t be? Even the Lores of remade monsters are the same monsters 🤣 that makes no sense.

Re skins are the same monster yes but they are different. Re made with the same name are the same minute design and stats

Dark voltaik is still voltaik and lord inheritor is still inheritor. Like pure pandalf is still pandalf

[stray condor]

bro u dont get it

a skin is just ragnarok with different appearance

a remake is a complete overhaul

different skills

stats

traits

design

names

sometimes relics

[orchid lodge]

it’s just cosmetic change what’s the big deal

[stray condor]

they have to reanimate a whole monster just for a skin

rather than working on a new monster

[orchid lodge]

but minus the work of making skills, balancing, relic slots, etc

and having the base monster as a reference

[hearty plaza]

In all the remade monsters the lores state specifically at least once that they are the exact same monsters. Most just got ahold of that stuff

They can’t leave them exactly the same with boosted stats and minor apreance changes no one would buy it for $20

But they are infact the exact same monsters. That’s my point. I get what your saying. It just doesn’t really matter

[orchid lodge]

why be all tryhard when i just want a monster to look a little cooler

[hearty plaza]

I mean stats boost helps too

[orchid lodge]

If you’re so insistent on a slight stat boost, you could also make it a side-reward for their respective saga

[hearty plaza]

No I’m saying it helps to get that stat boost

[orchid lodge]

i don’t get which side you’re on at this point, elaborate further

[hearty plaza]

I’m not on a side. My sole point is if the monster in its own description made by the people who developed the monster says it’s the same monster that’s a good indication that it’s the same monster. They replaced skins with remakes in a way

My response to you is stat boosts help regardless of how you see it.

[orchid lodge]

the thing is, there aren’t really any remakes of mythics

except for dream but he’s a youtuber so it doesn’t count

[rain spire]

same for mr beast

[orchid lodge]

aren’t monsters like undead mr beast and joshdub just reused assets with tiny tweaks of existing monsters

[rain spire]

yeah

[orchid lodge]

@rose rampart paid Legends Pass obtainable thru f2p ideas aren’t allowed

@urban dome #monster-ideas

[urban dome]

Hi

[rose rampart]

Ok

[clear stump]

Smited 5 messages.

[hearty plaza]

Better been none of mine

[clear stump]

Nah

2 related to monster ideas. 3 banned or repeat

[orchid lodge]

and now my message is the most recent lel

[rain spire]

@pliant harbor ideas involving brining back stuff is banned there

[clear stump]

@forest hinge when you say "Ruin", do you mean Rune or Relic? Runes don't have XP, which is why I ask.

[forest hinge]

Rune sorry I’m dyslexic so I struggle to spell. That was my point I think it would be cool if exp was added to them coz then you could lvl them up through adventure map instead of wasting hundreds of thousands of lvl one runes and ages crafting

[clear stump]

And how would one balance the addition of an XP feature to runes 🤔

[forest hinge]

Have it be so that you can level in the adventure map and by using other runes of any kind on them. No going past 10 would be a good balancing feature I think

[weary plank]

Great balancing feature

[clear stump]

Well yes but how much XP per level, how does one distribute XP etc

[pliant harbor]

Ok sorry my bad

[forest hinge]

Xp required to level up a rune
1 to 2, = 600 xp
2 to 3, = 1,800 xp
3 to 4, = 5,400 xp
4 to 5 = 16,200 xp
5 to 6 = 46,600 xp
6 to 7 = 145,800 xp
7 to 8 = 437,400 xp
8 to 9 = 1,312,200 xp
9 to 10 = 3,936,600 xp
Xp gained from sacrificing each rank of rune
Lvl 1 gives 200 xp
Lvl 2 gives 600 xp
Lvl 3 gives 1,800 xp
Lvl 4 gives 5,400 xp
Lvl 5 gives 16,200 xp
Lvl 6 gives 48,600 xp
Lvl 7 gives 145,800 xp
Lvl 8 gives 437,400 xp
Lvl 9 gives 1,312,200 xp
Lvl 10 gives 3,936,600 xp
Would something like this be ok?

[autumn geyser]

I have tried 22 times to get the breeding event monster. That should be against game policy.

It would of been cheaper to just buy it.

[orchid lodge]

luck is luck dude, it's not a priority to give you a higher chance

[autumn geyser]

I no. Usally 5-6 time I always get it.

Sorry English

[orchid lodge]

that's an arbitrary number that again, is luck-based

[grand haven]

horrible luck, it happens

[rain spire]

i got the dooo

1: #submit-ideas is where you post your ideas.
2: Race Book ideas are banned there

[feral bluff]

Why?

[rain spire]

too many people suggested it

[feral bluff]

Any idea if they will finish it tho or will it forever be lonely and unused?

[rain spire]

i doubt it will be finished

[feral bluff]

Okay ima delete the past msg to make sure I am not banned

[rain spire]

posting over suggested ideas dont get you banned

thats just a reminder thats its not allowed

[grand haven]

wallnut's idea is basically "Fix the damage indicator for god's sake"

and I agree

that thing is so damn confusing

[orchid lodge]

@feral bluff make the warmasters yourself
#monster-ideas

[feral bluff]

As in explain how they work and stuff? @orchid lodge

[orchid lodge]

make the individual concept yourself, skills, name, etc.

[rain spire]

plus lore and traits

[hearty plaza]

Nothing is luck

[clear stump]

I've got a feeling they're putting it in the submit ideas channel rather than monster ideas.

[hearty plaza]

Shh maybe you will get lucky

[orchid lodge]

@feral bluff how are you going to take a multiplayer boss and make it indiviualized per person

[feral bluff]

What do you mean and as of rn I am half way done with fire warmaster which my idea is to rename mythic masters

[orchid lodge]

im talking about "Bounty hunt bosses based on players monster levels"

[clear stump]

Remember you face the same BH boss everyone else does in your group. If you make it based on the lowest levelled player, it'll be too easy. If it's on the highest levelled player, may seem sort of pointless.

[orchid lodge]

heres an idea: put thought into your ideas

[clear stump]

There's a lot of things suggested that looks good in paper but in practice wouldn't be good at all imo.

[orchid lodge]

Factors such as:
A. Actual logic
B. Other mechanics
C. Developer's capabilities
D. Company's thoughts
E. Balance
F. Community thoughts

[feral bluff]

Better?

I just sent a new one

[forest hinge]

Is my rune idea ok?

[orchid lodge]

such system already existed (notice past tense)
whilst i agree that players of certain skill levels should group together, it's better to be suggested in #general-feedback

[orchid lodge]

super abusable, don't like

[feral bluff]

sigh okay

Should I just copy and move it to the other feed back

Also to fix it being abused you can make it so they don’t get a lot of xp on lower levels and make it have a max xp cap per day runes gain

[orchid lodge]

not exactly
say you want the old system back where players were capped at a league dependent on their skill

[orchid lodge]

that only delays efficiency, doesn't fix the problem

[feral bluff]

Okay I am just going to focus on the mythic master idea for now

[forest hinge]

How is it abusable?

[feral bluff]

People grind low lvl areas to farm xp

Or east high lvl areas to gain Aton of xp

[orchid lodge]

breeze through the map with a low rune placed on the desired monster, and have 9 runes level simultaneously

[forest hinge]

Make it so previously beaten lvls don’t give xp

[forest hinge]

Cap the xp gained

[orchid lodge]

...dress?

[feral bluff]

Lvls I think he means

[orchid lodge]

that already exists with regular monster exp

[forest hinge]

Autocorrect

Exactly so they could easily translate it too

[orchid lodge]

the thing is, its still broke with that

[forest hinge]

What’s broken?

[feral bluff]

What about a rune lvl up dungeon that gives rune xp and allow that xp to be distributed to any runes of a players choice and then you can make that total amount as high or low as you want

[orchid lodge]

rune exp gained through adventure maps
if it gives too little, it's not worth it
too much and I can get an X rune easily

[feral bluff]

The big problem with there could be bugs

[forest hinge]

Yeah that’s why I made the table up top as a starting amount to see where it would need to go from there

[orchid lodge]

im saying the idea itself doesnt work

[forest hinge]

That’s true but it’s a problem with any thing you try to put in the game

[feral bluff]

True

[orchid lodge]

why would they make runes easier to level
it would drive away sales from X-Rune Super Sales and GLPs

[forest hinge]

Because it would make the game more accessible and would allow more players to get into it and become spenders

[orchid lodge]

That's not how attracting spenders work at all

and none of those points are cohesive at all

[forest hinge]

You don’t need to force people to spend, they will always be people that spend and if you make the game unfun for them they won’t come back to spend

[orchid lodge]

But they won't spend if the thing they're looking for is free

[feral bluff]

And eventually f2p players will be hmmm I like this maybe I will get this instead of omg to hard to play not going to even try cuz it’s p2w

[orchid lodge]

that's not how that works

[feral bluff]

Ehh probably true

[forest hinge]

The game is very pay to win rn

[wicked bluff]

How?

Explain

[orchid lodge]

If I get an X rune easily, I won't bother with the P2W options
If I don't get an X rune easily at all, I might try to get one from a P2W option
I start feeling "powerful" and spend more

But to get past the first step, you'd have to make them be interested in P2W

something doesn't have much value if it's easy to obtain compared to something thats hard to obtain

A powerful thing should be hard to obtain (duh)

[wicked bluff]

Teddybomb moment

[orchid lodge]

thats funny, anyways

[forest hinge]

The only reason I’m as marginally strong as I am rn is coz I’ve bought stuff every pay day. Me and my friend wouldn’t be this strong if not for the pay to win

[wicked bluff]

Ah

[orchid lodge]

describe your team and runes

[forest hinge]

I’m not saying it should be easy

[wicked bluff]

So y’all picked the short way and now called the game P2W?

Eh, I kinda agree

[rain spire]

ooh a convo

time for some popcorn

[forest hinge]

I’ve played since I was in school only when I started paying for my content did I see a difference in game play and power

[orchid lodge]

you gonna describe ur team or?

so i can get a scale on how it affected you

[forest hinge]

Forgot about that sorry

[wicked bluff]

Tbh, this era has to be one of the P2P ones. Half of the free talents are next to useless, the only viable monsters were Galvanus, Teddybomb and maybe, just maybe, Raris. While on the P2P side, we have ones that are pretty much broken like Ancient Cloak (which temporarily gives any monster that wears it a meta trait), Spear of Destiny (Double PER for 3 turns, highest damaging talent too), and finally, Seven Sins (just go check the in-game description, you will see how broken this is). The P2P monsters are also no less menacing with Lord Inheritor, Hidrorion, Shivarakah, Clach and Jaeger.

Usually, they wouldn’t make the F2P side this underwhelming.

[forest hinge]

Lvl 123 pangoliath with nearly 600k hp
Lvl 132 Dark voltaik with 31k damage all skills give plus one turn and nearly 500 stam
Lvl 134 arch duke with 55k damage and 14k speed

I barely lose now and I got all of them but paying

[weary plank]

Arch Duke flex

[wicked bluff]

So you’re in L3?

[orchid lodge]

Thats sad because I have a solid
Lvl 140 Garnyxel and UV Fusion and Lvl 150 Lucky Clint
I started playing last year of September

[rain spire]

laughs in Beambot, Lord Nebotus and Garny

cries in them being below 140

[wicked bluff]

Since judging from your team and the fact that you haven't lost that much, you’re in the lower leagues and haven’t faced one of the meta teams right now (Triple Nature).

[orchid lodge]

A good way to ensure good runes is completing books

more specifically, books of eras

[forest hinge]

I did take a few years brake because of how slow the game was to play and couldn’t get anywhere without money, came back less than maybe two months ago

[wicked bluff]

Also this is a bad team :trol:

[orchid lodge]

This game is pretty reliant on patience
You're not going to get fast results without money dude

this is the type of game this is

repetitive and grinding with events

[forest hinge]

It was slow for me back then I’m not saying it’s slow for me now

[orchid lodge]

ok

keep catching up and you'll make it

paid or not

dont ask for convenience if it's not in the interest of the company nor makes logical sense for the purposes of balancing the value of items within the game

laws of the universe- I mean SP

[forest hinge]

It wouldn’t ruin the balance it would make it a bit more bearable it’s not giving them away it’s just giving a small bit better chance to everyone
The maths I showed earlier was based on removing a single rune from each required lvl to make it cost slightly less but it would still be a very large grind

The cost rn is 4 of the previous to make one of the next the table up top would go off of 3s instead of the 4s

[orchid lodge]

you've never actually discussed how the EXP works per adventure map node

[orchid lodge]

like you said how much exp things cost, but like, how much exp does each node give, is it the same as monster exp or level exp, or is it another exp system

[forest hinge]

I think the map xp could be scrapped but the main change I was trying to bring up at the start of all of this was trying to just change the runes to xp so other runes could be fed into them for xp like the relic system

I think my original idea got removed tho

[orchid lodge]

thats, a pretty linear and quite frankly not good idea

[forest hinge]

It would just give uses for all the team runes and low end runes that build up and just sit there

[orchid lodge]

1. removes the ability to exchange X Runes
   (As X Runes do not degrade, they can be changed to another type)
2. removes the ability to gamble for better runes
3. convoluted the ability to change to another type

[orchid lodge]

Dude just combine them all during Rune Experience

and your original reason of p2w and stuff, it doesnt hold anymore

[forest hinge]

Removing gambling isn’t a bad thing lol
And how do you change something to another type, put different types in and hope for the best?

[grand haven]

Just put an X rune with 3 level I runes of the type you want

[orchid lodge]

1. It is a bad thing
   While a bad idea to gamble, it's still better I'm allowed to put a IX rune and 3 I runes and get an X rune

[grand haven]

gambling is fine, it makes a game more fun, as long as it's not entirely rigged

like cosmic classic duels

[orchid lodge]

and also not entirely linear

[rain spire]

is the convo over?

[orchid lodge]

finally (probably yes)

[rain spire]

neat

[grand haven]

damage indicator idea is great

[forest hinge]

It is after I point this one last thing out

[rain spire]

SHUT

im sleeping

[forest hinge]

You said earlier you didn’t like the idea of adventure map xp for runes coz it was abusable but then say you don’t want rid of the gambling coz you like abusing the fact you get lvl ten runes with one lvl 9 and three lvl 1s @orchid lodge

Is it not more abusable to use something like that instead of just grinding up xp on a ruin

[orchid lodge]

it’s a chance not a grinding mechanic

[forest hinge]

My point stands

That actually proves my point as chance can give you op stuff straight away but if you have to grind it’s not going to give you near max stuff straight away

[orchid lodge]

grinding guarantees a path to your desired runes
gambling requires a IX rune

and if you’re going to reach that IX rune, you’d need either more gambling, or fusing of runes (takes a long time)

[forest hinge]

You could chain your way up through them tho still super easy compared to just leveling it up

And even if you don’t you just retry again in a few hours, rinse and repeat till you’re max

[orchid lodge]

dude gambling wastes runes

valuable runes you can't get easily

major losses when it doesnt work out

[forest hinge]

Wastes lvl one runes you can literally buy

[orchid lodge]

buy, with gems

Gambling goes: 1 IX Runes and 3 I runes (better runes if you're cautious)
when it loses: You lost an IX Rune (lots of gems/hard to obtain)

nobody cares about the lvl 1 runes

it's the big rune that even allows you to gamble

[forest hinge]

What does it drop to then

[orchid lodge]

what are you asking
are you asking what happens if it wins

[forest hinge]

No what lvl does it drop to if it fails

With the 9+1+1+1

[orchid lodge]

very likely 2-5

againn it's gambling, not grinding

grinding has no risk

[forest hinge]

It’s not that risky you could build it back up easy

I went and tried it with a 7 or 8 ruin and got it first try

[orchid lodge]

we call that luck, and its still gambling

why are you undermining the process of receiving runes while also insisting that grinding is solving the problem that runes are not easy to obtain

[foggy summit]

What is being discussed

[forest hinge]

I’m not saying it solves the problem I wanted the exp system to be an additional thing not replacement, you was the one who brought the gambling up like my idea would get rid of it. I just don’t like gambling and don’t see how it needs protection so bad

[forest hinge]

I had an idea for runes to have a exp system

[foggy summit]

Ah

[forest hinge]

@foggy summit this was the start of it

Will admit I got annoyed and got off topic a few times

[orchid lodge]

you shouldn't get annoyed if your idea gets denied by people of the community

it signifies flaws in your idea

[forest hinge]

I know and that is on me

I genuinely think they could be good ideas tho if they got the bugs sorted out is why I got defensive

[orchid lodge]

the current system is good enough with it's good balance of difficulty, being alright enough to be good for rune crafting while also not being too linear and easy as to not discourage spending

adding exp would make it linear and quite frankly, too easy

there are an abundant amount of ways to get mediocre leveled runes

when you hoard them, it'll be easy to achieve an X rune

do you understand why it's not a good idea @forest hinge

[forest hinge]

Not completely but I’ll let it be

[orchid lodge]

you make it sound as if you're the one putting up with it

[forest hinge]

I did just say I was annoyed lol I’m saying I’ll try calm down by letting it go

[orchid lodge]

suggest better ideas next time, see you then

man I suck at exits

[foggy summit]

just say “ok bye”

always works!

[foggy summit]

i see 👍

[orchid lodge]

k cya

lel

[forest hinge]

Ima go back to monster legends and pvp

[foggy summit]

Alr cya both

[orchid lodge]

insert obligatory personnel intruding and requesting the context of the conversation of which we held within the communications category

[foggy summit]

[orchid lodge]

Translation: Someone pops in and asks what happened instead of scrolling up themselves in the discord channel

[foggy summit]

I am very sorry for not scrolling up I promise to not do so again 🙏

[humble cairn]

Why are they’re banned ideas to begin with?

Because they’re highly requested?

[weary plank]

So please at least make Ragnarok’s gimmick easier to deal with or just remove him from the event 🙏
@foggy summit Are you talking about the old Pyrophobic shield?

[humble cairn]

If they’re that highly requested than why not just add them to the game already?

[weary plank]

That's now how it works moment 832.

[humble cairn]

Idk, banning ideas seems rather stupid imo

[grand haven]

it's hard to manage

plus, you can just react to the idea in #ideas-voting

[orchid lodge]

I already discussed this with someone else so i’m gonna summarize

Banned ideas are going to ban ideas that were already suggested and already deemed a bad idea. Typically we don’t want to repeat ourselves to the same feedback giving the exact response so it’s better to just ban it. If it’s an idea already suggested, they probably have already been discussed, whether it’s argued to be a good idea or not. Banning oversuggested and bad ideas clears up the chat and allows newer never-before-sense ideas to linger.

[hollow nova]

@exotic echo swearing is against the rules

[clear stump]

I need to put a ban reason in pins it seems. Lol

[orchid lodge]

I already described some reasons for some of them if you're interested
Realistically, the reasons would be
Hatching Guardian (makes Breeding Events too easy, devalues Legends Pass)
Crafted eggs to Storage (easy hoarding)
Discard Pvp eggs (makes getting pvp monster too easy, devalues Pvp Legends Pass)
Extra Space/Islands (it’s what the vaults for, devalues the gem island)
Trading (obvious reason why [exploitability])

[clear stump]

I don't mean individual reasons

[orchid lodge]

I see

[clear stump]

I mean q reason as to why we have a ban in the first place

[orchid lodge]

refer to this instead

[humble cairn]

I don’t find a hatching Guardian to be a bad idea

[orchid lodge]

that might be convenient for you but not the company

you need to think both sides

[humble cairn]

I mean a breeding guardian exists

[orchid lodge]

doesnt mean the parallel needs to exist to make it exponentially more useable

[humble cairn]

Also a hatching guardian would be extremely useful for marathons

[orchid lodge]

but not good for the company

[humble cairn]

Y’know how dreaded epic nodes are

[orchid lodge]

could you stop thinking one-sided for a second

you want to make this useful for us and not hurt the company

hatching boost is a selling point of legends pass

to make the hatching guardian would make it less appealing

[humble cairn]

You don’t have to be rude about it

[orchid lodge]

you need to be more open-minded about your ideas to make them actually a plausible feature that they can add for the game

[humble cairn]

So you’re saying a hatching guardian would make SP lose money and make Legends Pass less appealing? People don’t purchase the Legends Pass just for hatching boosts. They purchase for a lot of other perks, such as exclusive monsters and relics, along with a bunch of other recourses. So, removing hatching boosts from the Legends Pass won’t make it more or less appealing than it already is. A hatching guardian would make breeding events and marathons much less of a hassle that’s why it’s so highly requested. Also, if your so worried about the company “losing money”, than make the hatching guardian only be accessed by purchasing it. Money isn’t really an issue here Imo.

[subtle ruin]

@feral bluff thats basicly just the frat event

[orchid lodge]

i said less appealing
not to mention how it'd make breeding events way too easy and also drive away sales from the breeding-event-monster sales and gem purchases

and again, just because people want it doesnt mean the company does as well

they dont have to listen to us if it heavily impacts sales

[foggy summit]

Yeah did they remove it?

[weary plank]

It was changed to a 100% Life Shield

[orchid lodge]

@feral bluff an event for less building time is unbelievably useless
This is because most players that’s gets the vault would already have nothing else to build, and building isn’t their main concern.

it’d be a waste of what could’ve been a useful event
rune experience, relic experience, etc.

[feral bluff]

Okay I have changed it to something (in my opinion) better

[topaz pine]

oops @worldly yacht I didnt see your feedback on the pop up ads

[orchid lodge]

i’m done explaining someone else deal with this byeeee

[signal lance]

@feral bluff

1. Only 1 idea per message.
2. Do you really think a discount of 25% hell even 10% on all things costing gems is a good Idea?. I know we have rune lords but thats during the first week of a new legend pass so SP makes that money back quick. Now I ask you is that good for the Company?

[feral bluff]

How about the rune lvl two dungeon or the relic dungeon?

[clear stump]

The rune dungeon contains level 2 runes anyways. And appears 2x a week

[signal lance]

The new Idea is interesting but depending on the selectable trait it could be broken

[orchid lodge]

or useless

again, depends

[feral bluff]

No the idea is better runes eg maybe rune levels are numbed up by one as in the max for the first lvls would be 2-3 rather than 1-2

[hearty plaza]

I like that. 1-2 tunes are incredibly useless. Aside from leveling up higher level tunes anyway