ideas-feedback-discussion

[atomic cedar]

💀, looks like they didn't read the rules ,..

At all

Well that was me aswell at one point 😭😭😭

[true elk]

It’s just they said Hi and what the channel is named.

[atomic cedar]

Tbh sometimes I feel that all this must feel tiring for you and the other mods 😞

[true elk]

It does feel like that.

[atomic cedar]

@rotund anvil you do know that you have to send a screenshot of your profile in that channel right?

[cobalt horizon]

They're not the first to do this.

[true elk]

You have a role BlueMyst. 😃😃

[rotund anvil]

Thank you @atomic cedar and @true elk I was not aware that's what I needed to do. I didn't know there was info up top for the instructions.

Appreciate the help

[true elk]

It’s fine. It’s just we try to dm members, but there are lots.

[atomic cedar]

Also I wanted to ask is there an explanation for all the roles available anywhere because so far the general related roles only have a description as far as I can see

[cobalt horizon]

It used to be in rules document. I think we might still need to post the information in server, as that was removed.

I'll have a look to see if I can post something now.

[cobalt horizon]

#rules-information

Has been post here @atomic cedar

[atomic cedar]

Thanks ! 👍

[modest hinge]

Idk why people do stuff like this 😭

[true elk]

Nor me.

[wanton orbit]

Just replying to this rq (spoilered cuz light mode)
Yea I find it very difficult to give feedback that is still at least somewhat respectful atp

It's such a loss for the players cuz we have ways to improve the game in quality, immediate profit and in long term profit

And yet none of it is heard

[worn patio]

crazy how nothing’s changed in four and a half years

[clear stump]

that icon was so long ago for real

either way the bot was not a great addition and we are better off without it

[worn patio]

when did the server actually scrap it

was it like 2022

[clear stump]

no idea, all i know is this avatar i have now has been a near continuous thing for about 5 years lol

[worn patio]

yeah lol i think i rmb too

[clear stump]

i can't even find the messages in the screenshot to be honest, that's how long it's been

clairvoyance is a gift bestowed upon nobody, if only i knew how the game would be in 2026 when i was unhappy in 2021

[worn patio]

i checked my camera roll, it was april 9 2021 for me

[clear stump]

mbnb 🙏

[worn patio]

same lol now i barely even play, im only trying to max the legendaries and nothing else

[worn patio]

omg mello’s team (did u guys acquire it or smth i rmb something like that)

[clear stump]

i can't remember where mbnb members went afterward, but lioom disbanded in 2023

[worn patio]

oh really damn

yeah i checked top teams again the only one i recognize is bgbd

[clear stump]

@molten zinc oi

[livid cave]

I wish I could see numbers to see how many have jumped ship

The best you can do atm is with the gold rush events if you collect once and then never again

[worn patio]

has to be a ton, i had a whole server of friends in 2021 and we all met in ml, now idt any of them play anymore

[livid cave]

I can guarantee almost everyone I know in a server rhyming with shminshilla sheaks has left

[molten zinc]

hey

[molten zinc]

hey doc we disbanded years ago

[clear stump]

Smelliodas where did mbnb members go after mbnb

You were in lioom for like 6 hours

[molten zinc]

some went to gates of hell

we merged with goh

then goh died and i joined lioom for a couple days

[cobalt horizon]

No one has been muted for posting feedback.

[atomic cedar]

So adding to this

[atomic cedar]

@granite rock I think giving up perk will give more gems which I think they calculated will actually reduce the future sales , which is what I can rationalise but I think they forgot to account for the playerbase quitting

[floral bough]

People stopping playing sometimes isn't bad for companies, fewer people requiring support and less staff. Also less infrastructure in general

As long as whales continue to buy, nothing will likely change

[atomic cedar]

The point is if f2p quit who will the whales flex over, where will the whole community be ? that's one huge point in pvp games

[floral bough]

you're right about that

[worn patio]

why does the “apology” announcement look AI

[worn patio]

heyy mello yeah i checked the discord a few wks back lol

[cedar crypt]

@sweet parcel well said homie

[wraith mountain]

Normally this would be like a one shot, if you’re doing 2B, then your damage was been cut by 90%, SP, is this what you asked for? And Sam better show up to tell us

[cedar crypt]

@karmic fable bro upvoting his own suggestions

Such a bad take

[wanton orbit]

Hot take part idk-how-many-now
Self upvote spamming is also cringe

[cedar crypt]

Very much so

Especially when the feedback is awful🤣

@karmic fable where are all the other “skilled players” who agree with you? Cause all the top players and really anyone who’s actually good at the game hates it, only the guy with level 8 runes who desperately wants to be different likes it

“Listen to my feedback instead of the whole rest of the community”

That’s just hilarious😂

[tiny turret]

upvoting his own feedback

[cedar crypt]

And he has nothing to say either, just downvotes it and moves on

[normal prawn]

He said he got 3 random upvotes in #players-chat and then, insta deleted that message

[cedar crypt]

🤣🤣

Like bro SP is not gonna hire you🥀🥀

[tiny turret]

I thought reactions were disabled on #players-chat

[wraith mountain]

Someone please get this guy out of here

The perk limiter itself was a mistake

[tiny turret]

[fresh ore]

i know the guy is a troll, but im so glad this GOLD message has been archived in here

absolutely hilarious

[rich ingot]

the guy genuinely has some elite brain damage

[modest hinge]

First of all 800 gems for R5 ancestor is not everytime it is more like 1-1.2k and with worse luck it can be even more.
Secondly learn to do caves? They are all predetermined so what this person is doing is just fooling himself
Third sniping is not strategic
4th earlier who grinded bh as f2p got like 5k ish gems too so I don't know whatever you said even justifies stuff.
Also adding onto this thing if you think something is right doesn't make it right? You need to listen what all others say and i am pretty sure almost none will be with you on this. Now giving your opinion is fine but atleast get into depth of things before just spitting out stuff

[worn patio]

proly ragebaiting coz the name was “sniper bh”

[fresh ore]

account made yesterday

bro had 0 flips in their about me ☠️

its safe to say that was a troll

[modest hinge]

I mean but it just makes people more angry. Now someone who is doing that is for fun but I feel like hurting the emotions of people just for fun is not right in anyway. I don't know why people like these ruin the environment once in a while

[fresh ore]

yea he's just looking for attention

[rich ingot]

snipers are pretty much brain dead in general.. this one just seems to be very open about it

[wraith mountain]

Dodge area stops the Hounen AI from using the move

@fickle badge

[true elk]

Just so we all know that Sniper member that came in, was actually Navaneethan back again. If anyone had DMs from them. Please block them.

[modest hinge]

Thank you

[cedar crypt]

I KNEW IT

I KNEW IT

I LITERALLY CALLED IT BRO

[true elk]

You can clearly see above.

And as you can imagine, we can’t act until we are sure.

[cedar crypt]

@fast pine

[wanton orbit]

That's not in the crafting menu tho

[cedar crypt]

Yeah I spoke w him in DM’s

[wanton orbit]

O

[cobalt horizon]

It's been suggested before.

[atomic cedar]

Sort by tier as well is required

[true elk]

@midnight pelican You have to wait for the Challenge to end.

[lean kelp]

This is most angry I've seen the feedback in a long long time

Still got nothing on Cosmic Survival Gauntlet nerf meltdown

[cedar crypt]

@rigid halo I strongly disagree

Then players will only need 9 level 14 runes to be fully competitive in wars

That would just be stupid

They should lower the amount of gems required to unequip them tho but the gem requirement is there for a reason

[rigid halo]

That’s why I say it the game is dying, so it’s hard to find good players to be able to compete. The events are bad, so the only way not to quit the game would be to compete in wars and have a bit of fun. They’re not going to fix the BH, so where are we supposed to get resources to invest in runes?

[cedar crypt]

You don’t fix the game by making the competitive scene overwhelmingly easy and annoying all the current competitive players who poured tons of time and money into stuff that’s now useless

[rigid halo]

Nah, I don’t think the top players would get upset. I think they’d have more fun. There are only five competitive teams in the game, so facing a competitive team repeatedly would be more fun. But I don’t know, it’s just my opinion—I could be wrong

[cedar crypt]

Only 5 competitive teams is crazy

5 elite teams

Elite ≠ competitive

[rigid halo]

elite my bad

[leaden gate]

Fr all my 67 14s will be useless cause then 9 could be just enough 🤣

[cedar crypt]

And yes, the players that have been crafting level 14 runes for years only to find out they only actually need 9 of them would be upset

[cedar crypt]

Exactly

It’s an awful idea and I shut it down every time someone suggests it because it makes no sense, just like when people suggest to put faction books into the war pool it just doesn’t make sense

[leaden gate]

But lvl 10 and under deserve to be removed with gold, 11-14 cheaper to remove, and ALL spliting runes (especially 14s) should be cheaper too

[cedar crypt]

I agree with this

And the level 14 gem cost for removal should be halved

40 gems is totally fair

Even 50 is fine with me

80 is just way too expensive

[worn patio]

what a nothingburger of a response

[fresh ore]

they should either just remove the perk or tell people to not waste their time anymore

[worn patio]

yeah lol atp id prefer an honest “we dont care” over whatever this is supposed to be

[cerulean talon]

Hope you guys support

[atomic cedar]

Umm you are saying like that's a bad thing

[atomic cedar]

They told us not to waste our time tbh.

It's not worth anymore tbh

[worn patio]

they don’t deserve praise for doing a completely irrelevant thing that doesn’t fix any of the major issues the playerbase has been demanding for ages. don’t credit them for putting a bandaid on a bullet hole.

[wanton orbit]

I don't like this logic

A win is a win

[worn patio]

not really

them doing stuff like this shows theyre able to fix stuff if they want to

so it js proves they dont want to make any of the big changes

[wanton orbit]

We still got something people were asking for, just not the main thing

[wanton orbit]

I do feel that this is just adding fuel to the fire, though

[worn patio]

shows their priorities then doesn’t it

[wanton orbit]

If our feedback is being passed on, we are being ignored... which is worse imo

[worn patio]

everyone in the channel has been crying about bh

since like forever

[wanton orbit]

YEP

[worn patio]

and instead of fixing it they throw us a tiny hint of a bone in another direction

not a good look

[wanton orbit]

Agreed

[worn patio]

which is why i don’t think this is praise-worthy, it just further shows how out of touch the company is

anyways js my 2 cents ur welcome to disagree

[wanton orbit]

Ye fair

A win is a win, though I strongly dislike everything surrounding said win

[worn patio]

i suppose
but given how many Ls the company has given honestly any win should be treated as the bare minimum

[wanton orbit]

Yea

[cedar crypt]

Did you even read the message? Did I praise them? I said “while I do appreciate you guys doing this, you need to fix the more glaring issues first” like seriously dawg you gotta be joking😭

I literally used them adding zoomorh’s to the war pool as my starting talking point to go into the bounty hunt issues

It’s like you read the first sentence and then stopped reading

[leaden gate]

@sweet parcel I think pierce is probably gonna be from virtues I guess

[worn patio]

Lol i agreed w most of ur message, thats why i upvoted it lmao and reacted to all the approval reactions, im just saying, they dont deserve any credit for doing this tiny thing

[cedar crypt]

Idk if they do something beneficial it’s still beneficial, just feels like a slap in the face that they’re doing it while ignoring more important things but I’ll still take it, just gonna be salty about it😭

[worn patio]

Thats what im saying too its a big slap in the face

Which is why i dont appreciate it and i dont think they deserve any appreciation for showing us further how little they care

[cedar crypt]

Yeah I 100% agree, it sucks but yk I’ll take it🤷🏼the game sucks rn

[worn patio]

yeah i gave up competitive ml a long time ago

[cedar crypt]

@trim heart they can’t put every female monster in females book lol

Her books are fine and they make sense, no reason to change them

[leaden gate]

Fr it will ruin female books wars if they add, watson is already pretty often in wars

We need more of a rework for like Superheroes winters...

[cedar crypt]

Mainly winter and underworld

Superheroes just got a new good monster

[leaden gate]

Ye but still it's annoying when only 1-2 good monsters, especially the lastest is p2w right?

[cedar crypt]

Yessir

Not as bad as underworld or winter tho as they’ve got no recent really good monsters especially winter the best monster in that book is a doomsday monster😭

[leaden gate]

Especially in watson war, They becomes so horrible

[atomic cedar]

Forwarded and promptly ignored 💀💀💀💀

[worn patio]

prediction; after sp finds another creative way to further ruin their game, there’ll be another influx of negative feedback, and we’ll get another vague promise that our feedback is being “passed on” for “future improvements”

[cerulean talon]

Lol

[cedar crypt]

@vapid horizon it’s definitely unintentional, report it to support in game too cause I’ve been getting card currency for mine the whole time

[tiny turret]

What was the bug?

[true elk]

Look in bugs channels.

[tiny turret]

Star drops?

The coin used for chests when getting dupes?

[cobalt horizon]

Yes, a visual error.

[fleet wind]

Such a good idea!

This would be an amazing feature.

[cedar crypt]

Wow yeah that’s incredible, definitely would lobe to see them implement this

[true elk]

Same feedback.

[tiny turret]

Re-written actually

[true elk]

@red magnet It’s visual.

You do collect the duplicates and get the points.

[dry igloo]

Man does not realize that models have been reused forever its not at all new, and that while V-Kid reuses the same model/skeleton that is NOT the same as a recolor

[cobalt horizon]

@spark flame see #announcements

It's a known bug, update as soon as available.

[dry igloo]

I don't know if you know this murky but the max amount of books for a mon is actually 6 (see heliom and shork). They don't even necessarily need to replace anything . They just need to add it. As for the rest 100% agreed.

[dry igloo]

It'd let me show everyone how cool singualris is , one of the best ideas anyone here has ever had.

[leaden gate]

@next granite Vkid is already very op, why would you want to add pierce on him lol

[dry igloo]

cause It would be funny as it would make the error prophecy

[cobalt horizon]

@fervent zephyr #general-feedback is for feedback posts, please read the DM I sent you.

[leaden gate]

@karmic fable At this point ask a gems refund to support

It's totally scam

[livid cave]

Honestly making the first 6 ancestors breedable would be kinda gas

Final lineage reward

And theyre now inaccessible and not meta anymore except for their sagas

[broken hollow]

yess maybe not like brand new ones but like. we have no way to get them except buying them and it's annoying

[atomic cedar]

It will be found out within an hour 😄

[leaden gate]

Idk

Don't think so

[atomic cedar]

If they put a way to get ancs by breeding without telling us the combination it will be found out VERY fast

Unless it's a 1% chance

Or something

[leaden gate]

Bro with 1400+ monsters and not even talking about the number of combos, it's ain't that easy to find

[atomic cedar]

If everyone coordinates it can be

[modest hinge]

Very unlikely

[atomic cedar]

You get the point and feeling of the expression 😑

[modest hinge]

If they limit us like 50-100 monsters for ancestor breeding it will be good

[atomic cedar]

The point is if all teams co-operate it can be done in that timeframe

[modest hinge]

if I had watson egg i would have had atleast one more ancestor R5

[atomic cedar]

Or sort of

[cerulean talon]

First we need hatchery gardian and rank up boost gardian fr

[atomic cedar]

We won't get it

It's been an idea since before the mythic era

And we still haven't gotten it

[cerulean talon]

Yaah of it's here race would be a Lil easier

[atomic cedar]

@cerulean talon

[modest hinge]

Kinda not. 1400×1399=2M possibilities almost and like time for breeding is also an issue. We can just gem and check but I am not sure if we have that much active users right now and like everyone don't have every monster too so yeah

[cerulean talon]

[atomic cedar]

It's 1400 C2 which is approx less than 1 million not 2 mil

[rich ingot]

that's asking too much for a game where people cba to collect gold for a race task

[modest hinge]

Yeah I forgot about 2 still a million but we don't have like 50 active in mlo

[atomic cedar]

Who says we doing this in mlo 😭 🙏

[modest hinge]

We need communication too if we think about it. Like you breed this etc

[atomic cedar]

Yh that's what I said

[modest hinge]

Else a lot of chance to breed similar stuff

[atomic cedar]

Just divide the sections between teams

And each team scans their section

[modest hinge]

Hmm but another issue. Everyone doesn't have every monster so it needs too much coordination

[atomic cedar]

But still sectioning is the easiest method

[modest hinge]

Hmm

[tiny turret]

sell the monster and rerank it up to only 148

[dry igloo]

Yeah, if a monster is Worse At r5, something is Very very wrong

[fresh ore]

don't give v kid pierce please

[stone plinth]

What does pierce do?

[fresh ore]

basically attacks bypass everything except forcefield and immunities

like evasion dodge area megataunt don't matter to pierce

[wanton orbit]

ngl I'd prefer pierce over crit

[stone plinth]

Ohhhhhhhh

[fresh ore]

shock hater sounds like a much better fit

[cedar crypt]

@karmic fable counter pierce with umbrella traits?😭

Watson isn’t always around, when she’s not then Pierce becomes overwhelmingly overpowered and if she is then it does nothing

Pierce is not the move for V-kid

It would be absurd to be able to pierce through evasion, taunt, DA to be able to disable anti, apply triple damage and deal damage all in one turn and then ET spam like without Watson he would be near impossible to defend against

The only thing you could do is to get lucky with a water and amulet proc

It’s just not a good idea he would be horribly unbalanced

[livid cave]

"Guys i swear my totally not self insert oc isnt op. Yeah he has pierce and spirit and can chain infinitely- BUT he doesnt start with spirit!! He has to earn it after a grueling 4 ATTACKS!! Thats so many!! Its balanced guys trust."

[broken hollow]

well it could be like original legendaries and only be epics and below

@modest hinge

[modest hinge]

Yo

[modest hinge]

Fake account again of naveenath anurag or whatever the name was

[modest hinge]

Bro what thing i should give opinion on

[dry igloo]

Cause Watson isnt The self insert oc

"Guys she is like rich and super calm and smarter then everyone and immune to EVERYTHING including the thing that goes through immunities and has an ult in her regular skills and is friends with the abominations "

[livid cave]

Real....

[dry igloo]

Nah i do still want him to have a permanent trait at r5 true vision maybe?

[grave birch]

I would like SP to just allow us to craft the old talents that were locked behind the legends passes. the mons at this point are out of all the metas unless it is a really weird war and it would be nice. it could be the same as an obsidian relic.

[dry igloo]

-# This is more of a submit ideas post NK

[cedar crypt]

@wraith mountain Multiplayer stamina is there to keep people in their league while it is annoying at times it does serve a purpose, being able to just spend 4 hours straight doing multiplayer feels silly I think they should allow you to hold more stamina tho and definitely let it recharge faster

[cedar crypt]

Absolutely not😭that’s like one of the only legend pass things that was actually exclusive

Legend passes now feel stupid because the relics you pay real money for aren’t even exclusive they’re all just available later on

[wraith mountain]

But I wanna play with V-kid

[cedar crypt]

I’d be extremely annoyed if the few exclusive remnants I have from old legend passes just became available for everyone

[wraith mountain]

It’s like a kid having a new toy and your parents say no more playtime (it’s been like 10 mins)

[cedar crypt]

Nah I totally get that bro🤣they definitely need to bump it up to at least 50 stamina and lower the wait time

[wraith mountain]

Yeah that would do as well

[cedar crypt]

Also if they put families in the war pool it would help🙄special element too

[wraith mountain]

YEA IK

Special element is maybe a no? But families I recall was in the pool…. They really gotta show us the war pool next era….

[cedar crypt]

Yeah it was at one point, I’d like to see both tho considering Nebotus is only special element it feels unfair that he only has 2 restricts

[wraith mountain]

GOOD, he should stay rare

[cedar crypt]

It would be V-kid and nebotus spam for sure

[wraith mountain]

He can’t be like an easy win button

[cedar crypt]

Well I think what would happen is to counter V-kid everyone would try to run nebotus + MT on defence if there’s no MT then it’s not even defendable so it gets kinda iffy

I’m so worried about V-kid wars without Watson

Because like how do you defend against V-kid in wars lol without relying on RNG from wasteland

Rune guardian and same comp

Like you just need MT to stand a chance at defending unless you wanna just bet on wasteland amulet

[wraith mountain]

Tbh I’d go Florian+ V-kid

Florian goes first

[sick talon]

There should be easier ways to get gems

[cedar crypt]

I was referring to special wars

Like who would deal with who in special element

[grave birch]

While that is a fair reason to negate, SP has shown time and time again that they will inevitably make things ftp. The only truly exclusive items left are frames/icons, a few skins, and these talents. Not all of which were locked behind a paywall though. New players by receiving the web store coins for for days can get almost any seasonal frame (except for colosseum but that’s fair) at this point SP should just make them free to craft but either ridiculously expensive or locked behind a team shop chest. The skins stay exclusive though not enough exists and it is the remnant of the legendary era. Also I am unwilling to share those.

[grave birch]

Maybe but it’s still just changing a game idea.

[cedar crypt]

Absolutely not, items that were bought with the intention of being exclusive should stay exclusive that was the whole selling point of those talents you’re 100% a hypocrite for asking other stuff to become available to everyone but wanting to keep your skins for yourself you’re not even following your own logic🤣

[dry igloo]

Gameplay ≠ Customization

I do not want gameplay items to stay exclusive forever , it just kills features off.

[cedar crypt]

That makes 0 difference in practice, both were bought with the promise of being exclusive therefore they should stay as such

[cedar crypt]

How would allowing seven sins to not be exclusive kill talents? That’s just hilarious

Demonic pact is widely used

And always will be

Seven sins will not change that

[dry igloo]

No, it just kills off seven sins

[cedar crypt]

Seven sins isn’t a game feature, talents are a game feature seven sins are an exclusive talent the feature is talents themselves which will always be alive and I can promise you seven sins is still used at a top level it will never be killed off

The walking dead monsters shouldn’t be available again either, while it does suck for those of us who don’t have Carol as far as I’m aware they were bought with the implication that they would never be available again which is completely fair

[dry igloo]

Exactly, i do not like exclusive content that affects competition.

-# The Walking dead thing is fair as that was a liscence

[cedar crypt]

Unfortunately it’s not that deep, you’re only a TINY very slight minimal disadvantage for not having seven sins, it’s good but it’s niche, if you want it so bad you should’ve bought it when it was available, the only time it was implied you would be able to get it

[dry igloo]

I never said I particularly wanted it, demonic pact Is preffered to me, but i unlike you , I do Like that Relics are becoming more and more available . And as such I do not think wanting talents to be craftable is an inherently bad idea

You can not like it

[grave birch]

I have the two free skins. Sp discontinued them so no reason to bring them back. Plus what is the point of these talents anymore. Exclusivity only works when there is a purpose to it. Older talents no longer serve this purpose plus I like snakes to much to not want seven sins. It is an aspect of renewal that allows for more widespread use and play. Though a paywall might be fine in the highest echelons of completion it only hurts those in lower tiers especially if the mechanic in question is over 4 years old at this point. I grew up with this game and have seen its throws plus SP are really bad at keeping exclusive content exclusive. I saw a random player with the cosmic grandmaster frame and not a single cosmic monster, mind that was an exclusive frame awarded to the best of the best of which my 130 hardy was not privy to being included in. Anyhow if SP kept more content exclusive I would be fine but since they have shot themselves in the foot things should change.

[dry igloo]

But calling it a bad Idea is strange.

[cedar crypt]

I do too but items bought with the specific implication that they would be exclusive should stay exclusive, your point about gameplay not translating to skins is still absurd because again you’re not really at any real functional disadvantage without seven sins the hypocrisy is still there

[grave birch]

Also if SP did a stat equalizer than yes it should stay exclusive as that’s how life works you work and pay for advantages.

[dry igloo]

I don't actually care about the disadvantages or advantages, nor if the exclusive talents are good or bad. I just think things that affect battle should all eventually be made available.

[cedar crypt]

That’s an odd take, you’d be fine with exclusive content like seven sins but since SP “shot themselves in the foot” now it’s not okay? You’re only asking for this change because you hate social point?

[cedar crypt]

If you don’t care about the fact that it actually makes a difference in practice then there really is not difference compared to the skins, hypocrisy

This is going nowhere but yeah genuinely not a good take at all😭again stuff bought with the implication that it would be exclusive should stay exclusive regardless of how useful it is, skins, talents, avatars, frames, literally anything else

[dry igloo]

The difference is Sinple. Do you not hear me, The difference is not about wether or not it's practical it's the fact that it has an effect, Even a bad effect in battle, and I feel like that type of thing shouldn't stay completely locked

I understand the take above, but it would mess with current balance a lot, rank up resources have always worked like this.

[atomic cedar]

Exclusive content is good if it's not affecting the gameplay and provides any amount of advantage. Having 7 sins which is still great to this day in the top wars as being exclusive is absolutely bad. Skins look cool but don't provide any advantage that's why they can and should remain exclusive, by your point as well the relics should never become available for the rest since you paid for it to have it earlier and also that it's touted/declared as an exclusive relic

[wraith mountain]

Agreed, paying should only buy you EARLY ACCESS

[cedar crypt]

You’re just doing it for the principle which is silly, principle does not outweigh the fact that what was stated and implied when purchasing the product would be broken

Principle

Vs

People being told a product would only be available there, spending money on it and then having it completely available for free later on to everyone going against what was implied upon purchase

[dry igloo]

Yes, let's stop there. Im arguing of principle you are arguing off statement, fair enough. We will not come to an agreement. Either way understood.

[cedar crypt]

Nah those legend relics are all available F2P and we know that (although they should be more clear about it on the webstore) by the doomed era everyone was aware that those talents were 100% exclusive unlike with the pass relics now

I think with fairness in mind not making the exclusive relics overwhelmingly OP makes sense and they didn’t, seven sins out of all the exclusive relics was the only one with real staying power which really says something, the best blossom ones to this day are all free except one of them and the best one is free still, the best galactic one is free, metro and corrupted don’t matter

[grave birch]

No I grew up with the game and have seen SP pop all manor of exclusive but not really exclusive content. The principle was that Kiah the sunmelter would only be a paywall monster. Then came monster cell week same with forsakens nothing SP has ever done has set the principle of pay only just as @atomic cedar said early access. so this should change to align with what the standard is. Anyhow I enjoy your videos and like how you step into the void of monster legends YouTubers.

[wanton orbit]

I know no one asked but imma just throw in my thoughts as a random f2p

I feel like most games look at paying as a way to get certain things earlier than the rest of the playerbase. The people who paid for old talents got their use out of it and had their competitive advantage over the f2ps, as they should
The talents are now generally useless and I don't see why newer players should be locked out of parts of the game

[cedar crypt]

I understand your point but by the doomed era everyone was aware that exclusive talents were not becoming available F2P, it wasn’t corrupted where they were a brand new thing they’d been around for a few eras

I really appreciate that tho thank you king 👑 I’ll leave it at that for now

[cedar crypt]

They have free reign of all the best talents except two which while good are still technically niche and would not be used super widely (definitely not as much as pact and horn either)

If all talents were exclusive I’d agree

But many incredible talents are available for free

The only good ones that are locked are seven sins and the dragon, see I wish I had the dragon but I didn’t pay for it at the time I took a break from the game so that’s on me🤷🏼I don’t think I’m owed it by socialpoint because that would be unfair

Anyways I’ll shut up now

[grave birch]

I completely agree with what SP said the big reason I say all this is that it would be a huge PR boost if they did this. I do think that the legends pass is early access to a monster but you also get it ranked up. However they shouldn’t give the pass seven sins and the free to play pass halo of flies how is that even remotely balanced. Anyhow my reasons might be selfish but I want that snake. Also they could do like a doomed only war option and bring in a chest were you choose a (non saga) talent.

[wanton orbit]

Ye
There wouldn't really be much of a point in using the exclusive talents as an f2p, but they might be nice to have

Ngl I'm glad I don't see the dragon more often
I will now also shut up

[cedar crypt]

I mean to be fair the old F2P passes were sooooo much better I don’t think we should be complaining about them😭they were leagues ahead of what we have now

[dry igloo]

I don't agree with the take above

[cedar crypt]

Also that’s not the PR boost they need, top players would be angry and everyone else would be angry too, why bother with this garbage when they could fix BH and mend the rift between them and players

[cedar crypt]

Same it’s a pretty nasty talent on defence

[dry igloo]

Yeah BH should definitely be priority

[cedar crypt]

Anything else they fix first is a slap in the face

[dry igloo]

Seriously it Makes me mad that they really could jsit remove the per perk and set the hp to 15 bil instead, it would already satisfy so many

[cedar crypt]

Exactly bro like I do think buffing the fugitives health from what it was makes sense, we’re a much later era, we have more tools to do damage and can get higher damage but 20B and perk is absurd they need to get rid of the perk and lower the health to around 15B

[grave birch]

They were awesome except for the starfish one in cosmic where they made it impossible for ftp to get the guy (yes I did the math) but halo of flies compared to sins it not fair to ftp community. Bh should be SP’s top priority though.

[cedar crypt]

That’s just one example tho, the vast vast majority of the talents are F2P you’d just get the legend pass monsters with era sagas next era and then play through them and get 99% of the baller talents

It’s cherry picking

I do agree tho that they should’ve made the free one better but there’s a lotttt of good free ones

[dry igloo]

How about the exact opposite, intead of crit V-KID gets true vision

[cedar crypt]

I’m 100% down with this

I think I’d like shock hater the most tho

[wanton orbit]

It slightly bothers me how true vision doesn't come with immunity to blind

[grave birch]

This is principle in action when released it was understood that Nemisis, Elite, and Forsakens were pay wall blocked (except for a few) but then the days events happened and the cell shop got monsters who were locked behind passes. If more stuff was exclusive I would not have this problem but the fact that this is the one item that is exclusive is just sad.

[cedar crypt]

lol great point that’s bugged me for a while

[grave birch]

That or sc dodge area for when Watson finally dies.

[grave birch]

I mean I see you how can I still be half blind when I am guaranteed to see you?

[cedar crypt]

There really is a good amount tho just not all “gameplay” stuff as you said, talents, walking dead monsters (although for a different reason), avatars, frames, statues, skins

[dry igloo]

Does it really need a buff its a good trait

[wanton orbit]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

The trait has its uses, I just think that a monster with true vision having blind is kinda contradictory

[grave birch]

But with most of them they are cosmetic not gameplay repeated if you set the standard of exclusive gameplay mechanics stick to it and don’t only do it for one thing.

[grave birch]

Plus frames are losing their exclusivity thanks to SP log in stuff

[dry igloo]

genuinely I swear its so deeply simple, but a very good idea

[cedar crypt]

You’re confusing gameplay mechanics with items

Talents are a gameplay mechanic as a whole

One talent is not a gameplay mechanic

I think if talents were all P2W and locked off that would be absurd for sure

Sorry I should shut up now

[grave birch]

Nah I like discussing a controversial take, though we have moved off of the chat I would say. My last thing though why make the supplemental mechanic of talents have exclusive items but not the monsters which were promised as exclusive? As for statues and stuff I think that’s mostly just old SP and them moving away from decor as a function.

[loud raptor]

@coral kiln Sp doesn't want people to switch their teams that is why they made a change a while back to how Revenge fights work
And they are right if you could just switch your team like that why not just give you one team for both defence and attack so every single person can spam the exact same combo

[cedar crypt]

Yeah it kinda defeats the whole point of the attack and defence team system

[dry igloo]

Yeah genuinely, imagine if uriels 5 trait was sc megataunt

Crit may not be THAT bad

but the fact the comparision can be made is bad enough

[wanton orbit]

tbf robur's r5 also acts as a detriment

[dry igloo]

I do not want a monster as cool as v-kid to be another robur

robur is made fun off to this day

[wanton orbit]

Yea

I don't think each architect should drive the meta, but their r5s definitely shouldn't make them worse

[livid cave]

Robur slander... ough...

Hes usable I promise you just need to treat him more like an attacker than a tank 🥀

[dry igloo]

He is pretty fun I agree, I also low key wish he got a buff but might be late . Funny enough of all the 3 ancestors Griff may be the worst

[livid cave]

i personally wish all architect stats got updated so they could all be somewhat meta

anyway all 3 were good iirc its just that robur was REALLY hard to use even somewhat effectively

[modest hinge]

R5 isn't worse,especially in watson meta. Issue is poor design and like future. So we sp is trying to kill watson and that's the problem. R5 only does good against watson rest everywhere 148 is better so that's the major issue

[dry igloo]

Nah, it is.

Genuinely

He gets past forcefield without it with raw damage 💔

[livid cave]

crit ignores other damage boosts which turns an instakill into ouch

its still a big ouch but not instakill or whatever

[modest hinge]

Yeah his raw damage is good. But still takes a couple of turns

Rest everywhere 148 works better

[dry igloo]

Yeah that's....how the mon is designed to play, combined with father fact even with watson in the picture taht anticipatory barely matte rif you have your own watson crit is either rarely useful or detrimental

[dry igloo]

I mean , I don't think they want that based on how hard they wanted to reset the meta with abyssalm

[modest hinge]

Keeping him 148 is better because if you ever need to 150 for a war it's easy enough and like if you only need 148 you can work easily

[dry igloo]

It's kinda their own fault , same with legends to mythics as forsaken kinda forced mythics to exist

[livid cave]

i will forever loathe the watson meta 🥀
control/torture monsters are all genuinely useless and do literally nothing

[modest hinge]

The only negative thing about that would be i would need to get old ones which could be meta. I just did new ones since I started and I am good shape

[livid cave]

probably not but it just feels bad that a faction can have an architect but then it gets outdated

like that's meant to be the LEAD of it all. why does some goober like 3 eras later have bigger stats

[dry igloo]

I do not like the watson meta. I however remember when SC's went at the start of battle, and while not worse, it was more annoying

It was a necessary change even if it killed off every SC taunt tank Forever

[livid cave]

watson is genuinely so broken it doesn't matter if she's dropped in any past meta. she still steamrolls everything 🥀

[livid cave]

i wish they made an exception for taunt

sc nerf affecting taunt feels so bad

[dry igloo]

Yeah , Forcefield genuinely sounds like something a kid would make up. ITS MY ANTI EVERYTING SHIELD

[livid cave]

because tanks are MEANT to be slow that's the whole tradeoff

[dry igloo]

-# INCLUDING ANTI PIERCE

[livid cave]

so going after like 10 turns and finally getting your single taunt up; and then your team already has 20 tortures and you have nanovirus and megacorruption and then you lose

[dry igloo]

Like I get no PER but why does ot stop pierce man?

[livid cave]

it would be better if forcefield only stopped some effects. like a % chance to still get hit with tortures and controls, even if it's only 10-15%

kind of so voreth doesn't

yknow

instantly lose relevance not one season later

[dry igloo]

I'll be so protected in 7 turns

[livid cave]

this is all canine's fault 🥀

we had a good thing, you stupid dog! We had a reasonable meta, and it ran like clockwork. you could've shut your mouth, been a normal control, and gone down as a decent monster. it was decent enough. but no, you just had to blow it up. you and your pride and your cold blood + aoe per + megacorruption! You just had to break the meta. if you'd done your job, known your place, we'd all be fine right now

[wanton orbit]

Might not be worse, but the crit and all the damage boosts contradict each other

[modest hinge]

Yup poor design for future like if you do him R5 not sure how much longevity it will be

148 will probably last longer

But then again we might see new broken ancestor who has something like anticipation+ protect postive or something which might kill v kid in multiplayer

[cedar crypt]

@finite yoke it was unintended

Only katias was able to be removed and then fixed it

It’s meant to be a proper trait

[wraith mountain]

You keep saying it’s being reviewed but the updates say otherwise, we’ve been basically screaming but it feels like we’re screaming at a brick wall

[cerulean talon]

Improvement everyone

[fresh ore]

i don't know if it's up to him what happens or not it's probably some higher ups

[cerulean talon]

Ik at least for the 1st time he reacted

[wanton orbit]

Again, ik that for most games, devs don't have much of a say when it comes to money

[wanton orbit]

And extending that, since bh is very close to gems and therefore profit... idk how much of the problem is because of the devs

[fleet wind]

Please 🙏

[wanton orbit]

w h y

[uneven scarab]

it was nice for recruiting and stuff but i don't think bringing it back is a good idea because of predators

[dry igloo]

Cool idea, but i heavily disagree on peaked at legendary era

[modest hinge]

Gambling literally means we lose sometimes, we win sometimes

If we always win then it's not gambling

[fleet wind]

Everything gets ruined because of predators

If you are being predated online, you shouldn’t be online in the first place

[hollow kraken]

Make one of the new ancestors an updated version of Lord Pumpseed! He's such a cool concept of a monster and I think he has a ton of potential! Not expecting anything soon but maybe for Halloween this year it would be an awesome ancestor to have!

[atomic cedar]

@livid tinsel it gives a discounted way to reduce the timer

9 gems for 10 hours

It's good to stack up on it for race and stuff

@ me in #players-chat if you want to discuss

[broken hollow]

oooo more gambling

[cobalt horizon]

Discussions on feedback here please

[fleet wind]

My apologies.

[cobalt horizon]

No problem.

[dry igloo]

It's the opposite actually

Evil Mark is the one that's blocked because its considered negative due the damage taken increase

Taunt phantoms and shields are blocked

Dodge Area too

But every other damage boost works fine

[fleet wind]

I think my interpretation of how she works is wrong.. I don’t really understand it.

[dry igloo]

Pvp used to be infinite, they changed to the stamina system due to cheaters.

Also the reason the people they know don't like pvp is because the meta is disliked not cause the structure is bad

[dry igloo]

@livid cave . Architect hater

[fresh ore]

all mythic attackers having triple damage and pierce vs ancestors is definitely a concept

[livid cave]

i want architect hater so bad...

I'm so tired of there being no downsides to running an architect vs a mythic 🥀

[dry igloo]

I agree. But I think it should be limited to stuff like your Belize where there's a lore reason for them to hate an architect

[livid cave]

i think the simplest fix would be only allowing one architect per team

[dry igloo]

Would Make the companions actually exist

[cobalt horizon]

@leaden gate @rugged path have moved this here for you, if you want to continue discussing it.

[leaden gate]

Ok👍

[fair tapir]

How about there was a feature in which you could watch ads to get diamonds crazy right

Anyways can we get a tank with megataunt at rank 0 again I think there are only two monster being pangoliaht and king atum

[neat bloom]

Anyone else having the issue typing anything in the search bar when looking for teams or when typing when creating a team? I’m on my phone and seems to freeze my game after everytime.

[cobalt horizon]

@cloud shell revenge attacks will be against defence you had set at that time.

[wanton orbit]

Words lose meaning when nothing comes of them...

[worn patio]

esp when theyve been repeated nine times

[atomic cedar]

This guy actually counted it 😭🙏

[tiny turret]

He actually sent 9 of “those messages” repeatedly but no “improvement.”

[atomic cedar]

Yeah he has sent 14 but 5 of those are other ones

[worn patio]

what was that phrase “fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me”, what about fool me nine times?

[atomic cedar]

Shame on everyone in this server 😭

[worn patio]

lmao

[fleet wind]

Load the chopper let it rain on you

[atomic cedar]

Technically he hasn't said anything false

He said not ignored , reading and doing the opposite is technically not ignoring 😭

[fresh ore]

@formal cargo I wouldn't get too excited over the cells, usually they give 25 first day and no more ancestor cells after making it useless

[formal cargo]

Oh

That’s pretty much useless then

Especially 25 cells

Since you ll end up with extra 25 cells

[fresh ore]

yeah

[atomic cedar]

Kaliber ?????

@signal dragon ?

[uneven scarab]

Bh shop is awesome what

[atomic cedar]

He is from incog as well I am pretty sure

[uneven scarab]

5 good war monsters

Sure most are outclassed by ancestors but theyre still good

[tiny turret]

Yes, because that damn Pypholius appeared in the shop 7 times already. They can’t give a better Historia monster and decided to use Pypholius instead.

[atomic cedar]

I think kaliber is enough tbh for it to be called a good shop

[uneven scarab]

Fair point, hes still allright doe

[uneven scarab]

Fr hopefully i get him r3-r5 i doubt i could doe

[atomic cedar]

R5 is easy he is in the cell drops for finishing 1st

Or second

[atomic cedar]

They do in l3+ @fleet wind

[uneven scarab]

Yeah fair

[formal cargo]

The bounty hunt has perk so it’s still as awful as the previous ones

[atomic cedar]

Ah which league?

[formal cargo]

Someone told me that I didn’t push yet

[atomic cedar]

I mean tbh they wouldn't take the perk away that was already known

[modest hinge]

@finite yoke rewards are still same no?

[modest hinge]

@hollow kraken I want to clarify a few things.

1. The game is at the best f2p ever probably. Ancestors are easier to R5 than mythics or legendaries ever were ( this is coming from a person who 's account is like 10 months old ) have 10 ancestors or more R5 with 16 XiVs as completely f2p ( without tasks and surveys ) and not very heavy grinding.
2. The bh nerf is hard yeah but still keeping up with ancestors is very very possible. I am not a hardcore grinder but a some grind does make a lot of difference

[atomic cedar]

Nah conspiracy era was better 😔✊

[cedar crypt]

@hollow kraken that’s incorrect, I have plenty of great F2P players on my team who have not put years of effort into their accounts

The game is only in a bad state for F2P players rn due to the BH nerfs, before that it was in one of the best states for F2P players ever almost every single one of the best monsters in the game are all available for free with high gem sources tasks the only reason it’s bad now is because they nerfed BH a few months ago

[fresh ore]

it was way better for f2p when bh was easier

i would absolutely hate to imagine starting up now as a f2p with garbage tasks LOL

sounds impossible

[hollow kraken]

Honestly, fair enough that F2P players are at that stage of the game, but how much time have they put into the game? Personally, I only get to put an hour or two into the game, and during that time, I get to do my multiplayer attacks, war attacks, and other dailies; however, I don’t have the time to grind monsterwood or the awful gem tasks. Sorry if I was a bit misleading before (I exaggerated with the “years required to get to the late stage of the game” but what I’m trying to get at is the majority of the player base doesn’t want to grind gems doing meaningless gem tasks and watching ads for games we don’t want to play. I’m almost 100% sure you all can agree on that, and hopefully,
social point will actually fix BH and maybe add some new IN-GAME (NO ADS, NO GEM TASKS FOR STUPID GAMES) methods to obtain gems. At the end of the day, this is a game, and it’s meant to be enjoyed. I don’t want to spend my time watching ads for games I have no interest in. I fell in love with this game for its concept, but now I’m really starting to get irritated, like many other players. And I think we ALL KNOW this message won’t even be acknowledged, but so be it.

TL;DR
I agree with your stance, and I’ve just voiced what many other players have already brought up.

[cobalt horizon]

@mint knot you should report the ad(s), both via the option within each ad, usually bottom left/right and to support.

[modest hinge]

Yeah the bh nerf did hit hard that's what i gotta say

[mint knot]

Ok, thank you

[cedar crypt]

@covert axle just wanna be very clear here I haven’t made a single penny off of YouTube

It’s literally my hobby I do it l purely for fun and to help people

I’d love to hear what other content creators you’ve spoken to

[atomic cedar]

Except MG no ml creator makes a dime off this game

[cedar crypt]

I will be soon but as of right now I make nothing

Not through sponsorships but through YouTube itself

[wispy musk]

That's why he always say things in favour of sp

[feral mountain]

I'm monetized, but it's not ML paying me anything. They should be, though.

[cedar crypt]

I should be getting my first cheque soon

Haven’t gotten anything yet tho

What an absurd statement from that guy to imply that people are making a living off of ML content creation😭the dude must actually be like either 4 years old or horribly sheltered his entire life because no ML content creators can even make close to enough to earn a living

He was absolutely geeking in my DM’s this morning

[feral mountain]

Yeah I'm not sure where he's getting that from. A lot of content creators spend money on the game and have stacked accounts, but that money didn't come from ML content 😭

My mom buys me gem packs and passes.

[atomic cedar]

W

[atomic cedar]

the point was ML itself isn't paying anything to any creators so the creators don't have an incentive to defend SP without reason. For example with the creator code thing with supercell the creators have a legit reason to defend supercell because otherwise they lose their code which allows them to get money from their audience purchasing something

[feral mountain]

The point Murky and I were trying to make was that OP's opening statement was inaccurate. I'm not sure why he said that he was having trouble getting an honest perspective, because every creator besides MG is literally unbiased, because we AREN'T getting paid by Monster Legends.

[cedar crypt]

Exactly bro, absolutely 0 reason to lie about stuff in our videos lol that guy is clearly not all there mentally😭

[modest hinge]

One of the worst idea ever

If everyone 5 tiles gets flipped

Whales will just go and get kill + find

Because they will buy packs or like gem stamina

Some better alternative solution would be

1. Make the people full on stamina flip one tile and keep it going whenever it gets filled.
2. Introduce bots in lobbies to make more lobbies and these bots follow same rule
3. Make it so that you are locked and can't hit fugitive before flipping 3 tiles this way people will no sit on 0 but need to flip some

@halcyon sage

It's not targeting you by any means just want to make your solution even better thank you 😀

[feral mountain]

You're right. I don't think it should be 30 minutes for one Stam either. That's ridiculous. If they lowered the time drastically, it would be easier to spend stam. Everyone just hoards it now.

[atomic cedar]

5 min / stam would be ideal tbh

[halcyon sage]

I couldn’t disagree with you more. You have made a wild assumption that there is a whale in every lobby, which is total nonsense. Yes, of course there are some whales in the game but their total number will be negligible compared to the total number of players.

[wispy musk]

It would be ideal for us but not for greedy sp

[modest hinge]

Bro play bh and you will know not just one you will have 4-5 whales in one lobby as well good luck

Plus the pool of players is not very large

Guess the rough estimate of people playing the game in which as well btw there are players who don't play it. There are very high chances to be in same lobby after lobby ends if you both press for new lobby. Also not to mention that most of bhs have been like almost no one shots in past few months which will make people who can do actual damage too be completely irrelevant. I think flexibility is what is best part of the mode. To stop and make people flip there are better ways i think @halcyon sage which i already mentioned

[grave birch]

I made league 8 in 12 hours but since then barely an hour or two happens and the fugitive is found and killed. FTP should not be put at such a disadvantage for only finding a fugitive worth 50 gems but having to pay 25 gems with in a majority of circumstances getting no shot at attacking the fugitive. Bots and lowering time for refilling stamina are the answers. Your arguments are completely reasonable.

[atomic cedar]

A woman can dream 😅

[modest hinge]

Yeah we definitely need more gem sources in game

[cedar crypt]

I promise you bro there’s at least one in almost every single league 8 lobby

[wispy musk]

Yea dream but never wish it'll come true in case of sp the goat 🗿

[fair tapir]

Rn there are 3 modes easy mid and hard in dungeons there should be a insane and extreme too

Do bh tokens disappear when the event ends like maze coins

[atomic cedar]

Yes

[uneven scarab]

Genuine question, who the hell are 'lindworm' and 'smart' (no offense im genuinely clueless)

[grave birch]

TTP and I am gaming

my bad I just refer to them diffrently

[uneven scarab]

I've never seen anyone call them that mb 😭 🙏

[grave birch]

nah Lindworm is TTP's at sign and smart is his team if I remeber correctly

[cedar crypt]

@grave birch thank you lol, that guy was using AI to write his paragraph’s too he couldn’t even formulate his own thoughts and sentences🤣

Absolute buffoon it’s one thing to have a bad take but it’s a whole other thing to try and invalidate mine and others credibility like that

I can’t tell if HE actually thinks that we “make a living” promoting ML or if that’s just what his AI regurgitated for him and he just went with it lol

[cobalt horizon]

Please keep it respectful.

[grave birch]

Any day. Honestly I think he just misunderstood a lot about different situations.

[cedar crypt]

I only respond to energy

[grave birch]

honestly cool idea just be hard to fit with current lore. moom ming deserved way better skills.

cannot belive this is happening. What on earth, you may push for an older audiance as they spend money but come on you have to draw the line somewhere. Apperantly this isn't it. please if you ignore all but one suggestion let this be what is heard.

[cedar crypt]

@torn quarry yeah definitely lol, he sent a few AI messages to me and another one in general feedback too

[livid cave]

For reference

[grave birch]

It really does suck that SP is doing this. Plus she sucks skill wise, her only redeeming quality is taunt trait.

[livid cave]

They really have just given up on mythics 😔

Anyway I will reiterate i think reskins are bad because they look bad. They try and force a new design to fit an old one's proportions and animation. Which makes the monster even more stale and look awkward and bad (see: presentus and saberus and sibidu)

[grave birch]

Exactly! It’s not its own creature at this point it’s something else being squished into a square hole. The mythic meta might be dead but that doesn’t mean you should give up on it. I mean make a mythic only multiplayer that would be really cool for people who have high rank mythic or are long time players and want to have cosmic, corrupted, or even galactic battles again.

[cosmic vessel]

And another thing: their color schemes don't help either. It looks... iffy tbh

[livid cave]

I still think the single easiest way to fix the meta is to only allow one architect per team

[livid cave]

Mr. Beast lookin bear 😭

[grave birch]

I agree but that means Watson domination on defense and Katia on attack or V-kid

[livid cave]

That is true. But thats just because forcefield is broken anyway and needs a nerf imo

[cosmic vessel]

Now that you mentioned it, nah, I cannot unsee it anymore lol

[grave birch]

Honestly if Crit had come first it wouldn’t shatter forcefield which is insane to think about.

[grave birch]

Mystic flour!

[cosmic vessel]

One of my fav beasts :))

[fresh ore]

don't forget they also do this with ancestors🔥

[grave birch]

2 for me, love silent salt.

[livid cave]

Saberus and linnaeus 🥹
As we all know the MOST BEAUTIFUL ancestor

Who was SO BEAUTIFUL sp had to buff him just so people would actually get the disgusting thing with 0 appealing attributes 🥹

[fresh ore]

and then they release adaled who powercreeps him next month🔥

[cosmic vessel]

The way I see it, Ancestors are literally neck and neck on each other, treating the meta as if it's a race 🫠

Not only Qylara is speedrunning it, she is on the lead as well 🏃🏁

[wanton orbit]

What would your thoughts be on architects nerfing the stats of the other architects on that team

Still allowing multiple, but a 3 architect team would have lower stats than a mythic team

[grave birch]

could work but then two architects would nerf each other to the point of being obsolete. Much easier to say this catagory of architect this week and this catagory next week.

[wanton orbit]

Wdym?

I more so mean an inverse synergy effect (maybe also making them more difficult to awaken(?)) between architects

[grave birch]

no point in using multiple if they lose to far weaker architects. so limiting it to a rotating category that chooses say a book or element would determine your ancestor for the week or maybe limit it to two.

[grave birch]

maybe nerfing things like forcefield and crit while making them harder to awaken like a 1.3 times multipler for required awakening charges? or somthin.

[wanton orbit]

Maybe

[wanton orbit]

I honestly don't really like the idea of what architects people use being forced, I feel like the ability to choose what you wanna use in pvp is part of what makes it fun

[grave birch]

I agree the problem is without forcefield and crit getting nerfed no one would change their ancestors.

[wanton orbit]

Maybe like
1 ancestor keeps all of their stats and awakening
2 ancestors have their stats lowered to around those of a mythic from the same era (maybe a controller, that still makes their stats worse than synergy teams), +30% awakening requirements
3 ancestors have their stats lowered to around the same as mythics from last era, +50% awakening requirements

Idk where but I think "lose SC" should be in there somewhere (thus getting rid of forcefield)

[grave birch]

problem is that makes two ancestors the dream team just use Qylara, Hounen, and Mollusk for extra charges. though losing sc would be interesting as it would get rid of forcefield, and crit.

[wanton orbit]

True

If architects did lose their sc if there's another architect on that team, I think it'd make a lot of people quite mad tho since it'd make watson much less useful

[livid cave]

It doesnt address the main problem. The main issue is architects are WAY too much better than mythics in traits, skills, and by mere virtue of having an awakening condition that both gives at least 2 new traits, and gives a guaranteed ult

[grave birch]

honestly it would make Torog and Voreth OP again since they don't rely on their sc's

[wanton orbit]

True

[livid cave]

Stats is honestly the least important thing in making architects "better"

[wanton orbit]

True

[grave birch]

it's their skills maybe the debuff would be losing 115, and 120 skills that would be interesting to see

[wanton orbit]

How'd that work tho if they have the 115 and 120 skills selected tho?

Just pick random?

[grave birch]

goes to the most powerful 100 skills or an aoe for an aoe single for single. shouldn't be random.

[cosmic vessel]

This suggestion is well-thought out, but on execution, this might cause a messy tide in meta (it makes creativity in strategy more prominent sure but considering that teams are random in pvp idk just correct me if I'm wrong).

[grave birch]

matches are mostly random but if you use 0 ancestors you will get matched with lower ranked ancestors or teams with none. that's why you see high ranked Oly teams that have no ancestors.

[cosmic vessel]

OK noted! Haven't played this game competitively in a long while 😅

[grave birch]

fair, fair. I just have played forever and deduced way to much from watching others and my matches at this point. if only we could access ze Grimoire

[atomic cedar]

We already have that

[wanton orbit]

Ah

[wanton orbit]

Wait wut

[atomic cedar]

Tbh if u put hounen and nebo on one team only one of them receives the charges for haters

[wanton orbit]

Oh right
That's not much of a nerf, more so a bug tho

[atomic cedar]

Actually it's intended ;-;

[wanton orbit]

Oh

[grave birch]

which is very balanced

[wanton orbit]

That helps, but it's definitely not enough

[uneven scarab]

I was gonna hate on this then i read the rest of it and i completely agree

[fresh ore]

if they do that they should make it so you can revisit era sagas

honestly they should do that anyway

[dry igloo]

Please I want to replay the cutscenes I need jt

[grave birch]

that too

[grave birch]

Yeah I know some people arn't here for lore so it should only be cosmetic changes not gameplay.

[uneven scarab]

Yeah thats what i was gonna mention before i read the rewards thing

Bc everyone whos active in #lore-corner will just get a bunch of rewards and stuff

[grave birch]

aka Me, TTP, Insurg, Gorrila, Final, Barn, and Barbatos.

[uneven scarab]

Yeah

[grave birch]

I'm not that greedy

[dry igloo]

I jsut Want that exarch avatar released man

[grave birch]

I want the Voreth

[cobalt horizon]

@formal cargo @quasi rover feedback discussion here please.

[formal cargo]

My bad

Shall I delete?

[cobalt horizon]

Please.

Thanks

[quasi rover]

sorry mb

[grave birch]

I agree for the most part and SP has said they want to give us more customization so this is quite feasible.

[cedar crypt]

@final snow you don’t have to one shot the fugitive to do good in BH lol

I’ve only done one one shot this entire time and I’ve made like almost 1K gem profit

[cobalt horizon]

@cedar crypt here for responses to feedback please. Btw, I think you misunderstood them, they think the problem with manual fights would be when damage registers (at end of battle). They aren't saying that happens currently.

[cedar crypt]

OHHHHH

My fault my fault

@fluid crest sorry bro, misread your message

[atomic cedar]

Honestly full support to this suggestion

[grave birch]

Love this idea! Legend meta was sick and had a lot of options. I for one would love to test out my r5 Korruptus along with wyrmlad and others. While on this discussion SP should just make the heroic dungeons permanently put a like 30 gems for 300 orbs or somthin.

[modest hinge]

Here's the problem the faster person always win technically so yeah if you don't have a very quick internet and you are not fast enough ( with reflexes) you ain't getting any kills in that way

Also the main motive of bh is to find the best comp anyways ( the most consistent one ) so that destroys the purpose of the event itself

[modest hinge]

If this thing can be improved in some way like giving rewards to who flipped more and stuff like that i would support this

[atomic cedar]

It was the same back in kaliber BH and no one batted an eye

[modest hinge]

? Kaliber bh wasn't one shot bh. It was fleshcore bh

[atomic cedar]

Wrong bh mb

[modest hinge]

But people did flip a lot in that bh so yeah it balanced out stuff

[subtle turret]

please add all ancestors to the lamp of choice many ancestors have been removed from the lamp of choice I have every ancestor but some of them I have like enkidu and tyr and robor arent maxed yet and now its impossible for me to max enkidu since he was removed from lamp of choice and unlike robor and tyr he doesnt have cells in the dungeons

[true elk]

Discussion is for here,

@supple peak

@molten skiff could you write more info, please.

[supple peak]

I am giving feedback that a 300 relic chest should not have been removed even if they add a new relic chest.

[atomic cedar]

That 300 one only gave t1 or R2 craftable relics

[hollow kraken]

Aliexm is talking about the live duels that were in the game previously

[soft hedge]

For Monstagram would be nice if you could search for Traits in the Filter tab

Example #submit-ideas

What are yalls thoughts on this

[grave birch]

Not bad but the wiki is there for this type of purpose.

[soft hedge]

Yea but being able to do it in-game would be so much faster easier and all around better also wouldn't have to exit the game to search for what your looking for

[cobalt horizon]

Wiki is unofficial and can have incorrect information.

[grave birch]

While true I would rather SP focus on other items and we as the players deal with things like this via the wiki

[atomic cedar]

@signal dragon I have a feeling that they read the feedback and do the opposite

[cobalt horizon]

@cerulean talon would be nice for an easier way

[atomic cedar]

Tbh I would also like a sort by level ascending

[cobalt horizon]

You can do that

Via 'my monsters', but once you have too many doesn't really help

Sometimes I manage to name ones needing feeding 'feed', so can find them later.

[atomic cedar]

It takes a lot of time to scroll down ;-;

I know that but ascending option is required imo

[grave birch]

Fully agree and I don’t even buy them!

[grave birch]

No as long term players with high legends will dominate. It needs to be a pool to select from not one’s own selection.

[subtle turret]

but that makes it more fun long time players have a chance to use there legendarys that never get used anymore like the old live duels they had where you used your own monsters from the current era then on the side a duel where players can select monsters from a pool to use

[uneven scarab]

Honestly i completely agree, the problem is that still wont fully change the diab meta as he has team immune to death countdown 🥀

[modest hinge]

There are restrictions where pact isn't an issue so that's why we need more stuff to use in underworld

[uneven scarab]

Yeah fair, the reason im saying this is because this monster also relies on death countdown

[cedar crypt]

@buoyant sail I think it’s a liability

Adults can DM children in game that way

@formal cargo because they love to give new features to some people and not give it to others

It’s so frustrating

[formal cargo]

It is indeed

@cedar crypt ,I have tought about something.I get many people get gems from tasks ,and tasks aren’t the same to everyone,so I sent a feedback in customer support ,to give like the spenders who buy from the app some benefits.Beacuse someone who spends 50-100$ monthly on the game can have less stuff than someone who grinds tasks and as such

Live a vip sistem

Which will give some benefits and you can get higher vip by buying in game (or web store) packs

[broken hollow]

@finite yoke, also happening with cells, mods said earlier they're working on it

[wanton orbit]

Counterexample: me
I'm somehow allowed to sit here between champ 1 and legendary 3 using only one ancestor while other people using much better teams than I are stuck in like champ 2 or 3

Its not a cheat, it's just that the matchmaking does not seem to care at all about leagues or ratings, only monsters

[cobalt horizon]

@light pewter #submit-ideas is to actually post ideas, what you have there is feedback.

[broken hollow]

@marsh tusk that channel is not the place at all for questions 😭

[broken hollow]

@keen dune

hold down the button

[atomic cedar]

Hold it down 100 times

[broken hollow]

still better then what he's saying lol

[true elk]

@marsh tusk Please read the channel name. Ask your question somewhere else. Thanks.

[tiny turret]

... It’s true — found it so annoying.

[cobalt horizon]

Edit please

This is a bug and has been reported, will be fixed soon.

[atomic cedar]

What do u plan to do about diabolus

@near current

[near current]

idk what u asking me?

I’m a bit slow explain

[atomic cedar]

You can't rank up diabolus

You said "u can rank up old ancestors with dungeons"

[near current]

U still rlly need him?

[atomic cedar]

Obviously

Not by a lot but still

[near current]

Ye not all but that’s why I said to add them back into the pool

[atomic cedar]

Tbh removing diab was stupid

In the next era everything till anwir will be removed

[near current]

I think all of em was stupid

Oh.

I forgot abt him

[atomic cedar]

Then in the next to next era hounen will be chopped

[near current]

How

[atomic cedar]

6 anc removed /era

Hounen is the 12 th anc

[near current]

Chopped removed?

[atomic cedar]

Yes

[near current]

Nebo aswell?

[atomic cedar]

No

[near current]

I’m maxing them

[atomic cedar]

He will be removed in the next to next to next era

1.5 years

[near current]

Wow

I have

[near current]

U have damaged my brain

[near current]

are u saying 5-6 months per era

3?

[atomic cedar]

6 months per era

It's the norm

[near current]

And then hounen gone?

[atomic cedar]

1 bounty hunt per ancestor 3 event paths

Per era

[atomic cedar]

Yeah in 2 eras

The next era will be the last time u can max hounen

Then 💰💰💰🤑🤑🤑💰💰💰

[near current]

I think a month is enough time if I spend my gems right to max the needed ones

💀

[atomic cedar]

Yh

[near current]

Free to play way

[atomic cedar]

Prioritise the big 4 then older ones

[near current]

But imma be pay to win thanks to a friend getting me a gift card

only need legend pass next season

[atomic cedar]

Hounen , qylara , dame , any one crit guy

[near current]

Ye

[near current]

Why do I max dame I still dont understand much abt her she can use vul and toxins thru relics and stuff that i need for bh is that all tho

Constantly the supporter for bh?

And speed to support

[atomic cedar]

Bounty hunt

[atomic cedar]

Yes

[near current]

So she fits in most?

[atomic cedar]

Since she released she has been on all comps till date

Most ❌❌❌
ALL ✅✅✅

[near current]

all damm

[atomic cedar]

Like there is always one comp with her which is great

[atomic cedar]

The comp itself may change but she won't

[near current]

is alr

Need to gather 10k gems

[atomic cedar]

10 k?

[near current]

Just returned 2 weeks ago dame r0 almost r3 for nebo and hounen

[atomic cedar]

U just need 4 k for allat

1k/R5 anc

[near current]

I need Watson r5 and 2 other or 4 other

[atomic cedar]

Who r they 4?

[near current]

Average luck 10 gems = 100 tickets

[atomic cedar]

Correct

[near current]

Boogeyman looking guy and vkid prob 148 and sum other stuff

[atomic cedar]

Expected value is 1045 gems per R5 ancestor

[atomic cedar]

Nebotus?

[near current]

I alr got i mean the slender looking one lol

[atomic cedar]

Oh voreth

[near current]

[atomic cedar]

Ngl except wars he not that good

[near current]

Maybe Kira too

[atomic cedar]

Katia*

[near current]

yea

[wispy musk]

You remembered kira

[near current]

I only forgot

[wispy musk]

Ohh

I see

[near current]

@plush prairie it’s bc u lvld up

They alr nerfed it a bit mine used to say 300M+ even tho that’s easy for me still bc I maxed out my island in just 1 and a half month after spamming mythics in

[cobalt horizon]

@warm thorn update your game, it's already fixed.

[cedar crypt]

@dry vigil You shouldn’t be selling mythics homie

Extract them, you can do it automatically lol

[white aspen]

Our team has had like 6 zoo wars in a row, we don't want no more so pls send the restriction up to ppl 😭

[cedar crypt]

Send it up is crazy😭

[dry igloo]

Genuinely there was no reason to do this

If there's "not enough space" which is false btw. Just make another banner or something

[fresh ore]

if this was a bigger game this would probably be a lawsuit

[stable shard]

@leaden gate Ruins the whole point of war

[leaden gate]

Not really

War doesn't mean login and attack every 4 hours or just spend gems, it's team works (or individually for somes) to strat to attack though bases for them

[uneven scarab]

In l2 and higher nah below that it makes it worse but doesnt ruin it completely

[dry vigil]

I know. It's still stupid that the sell price for mythics and legendaries are the same.

[wraith mountain]

It will leave a power gap, yes, but at least folks caught at room 3 every day have some room to grow and not just sit there while everyone gets shiny new monsters and Architects

[fresh ore]

just be more generous with tickets

shouldn't be forced to gamble like that

you should be able to get tickets by playing the game

[dry igloo]

A ticket dungeon I beg.

[wraith mountain]

10 tickets a day then for them

Like seriously, TC is the most optimal way, why not change it so it’s skill based?

[fresh ore]

and I wouldn't expect them to do a treasure cave rework like that any better

[wraith mountain]

Yeah what can u expect from SP rn anywa

[fresh ore]

failure

[wraith mountain]

EXACTLY

[wanton orbit]

Hot take

I like the monster cooldown in wars in lower leagues

It makes you need to use different teams against different teams with each attack, making the strategizing more interesting

Though I do see how that completely falls apart in higher level wars

[cobalt horizon]

You use a,b,c teams, or set a timer, or use gems, or combination.

[modest hinge]

Yeah cause you are kinda forced to use same stuff mostly

[wanton orbit]

Ye

[cobalt horizon]

It's a choice though, not compulsory.

[wanton orbit]

At what point do people actually follow through with this

[atomic cedar]

Many did , I will do it eventually as well

[atomic cedar]

Rilo , rex/blaze , sunny

Just to name a few

[wanton orbit]

Alr

[atomic cedar]

The last bh was good so i stayed

[wanton orbit]

Sorry I just say this because I feel like a lot of people say that kind of thing without it ever actually happening

[atomic cedar]

It did happen, a lot , almost all top teams aren't at full capacity rn

[dry igloo]

ive seen several do it, its happening

[wanton orbit]

I knew that a lot of people did quit, dunno why but I thought that a lot of people also only talked about quitting

[modest hinge]

@limber zephyr i think whatever you talking about is already available in a game ( but that game is totally different from ml ) it's one of the worst game hands down I ever played so much p2w and stuff

[fresh ore]

don't give socialpoint ideas to make the game harder for f2p😭

[uneven scarab]

Great idea, it will probably be quite unfair doe

[grave birch]

honestly the only way I would entertain the thought is if the monsters were good but not broken and money only allowed you to gain priority when actioning ie X raises to 5o gems but since you have priority you raise to 85 before Y can. Also just don't paywall the new monsters with this.

[dry igloo]

THIS. we need this

[hearty cargo]

this is to give yall an idea of what the bounty hunt has come to. i’m the ONLY one playing the hunt in my team and if i had put in more consistent effort id easily be top 50.

thats 1 v 30.
i had more thoughts and arguments but i j realised ts goes unnoticed and they’ll prolly hike the fugitives life by another 10B ✌🏻

[true elk]

Go to another team.

[wispy musk]

Power of Sun

[atomic cedar]

The point is to show how inactive the overall community is in BH .

[grave birch]

fair enough but this is kinda on you (no insult intended) for not checking how long the cave had left. Trust me I did this once and have never done it again but it's more user error than anything else.

[dry igloo]

Really good QoL it would be so nice

[fresh ore]

leagues are supposed to be the system which automatically will just bring higher players up but problem I think is it takes literal weeks even if you have full 14s 150 ancestors to get up in leagues

[atomic cedar]

It takes more than 3 months to get to olympus from 0 😂

[gaunt escarp]

I'm not going to start paying for ancestral items to rank up (mythic items maybe, but nothing more, I don't want to be a whale in this game)

[gaunt escarp]

Before going back to ML, I played Clash of Clans, and since ranked was introduced, it takes at least a year to reach Legend; 3 months is nothing to me

[atomic cedar]

Back in my day you could do it in one sitting

[gaunt escarp]

I was a veteran of the game too, and I much preferred the old system

[atomic cedar]

I see nothing but facts

[faint python]

Why thank you

[atomic cedar]

The reason may be bad but why not ? @cedar crypt

@tender niche

@rigid halo

There are virtually 0 downsides for the playerbase if this is done

[fresh ore]

309 gems for 1.6k cells must be hard😭

[fluid juniper]

You're too naive if you think SP will do something that'll make them get less money

If ancestors were that easily accesible then no one would be buying so much gems and spending on tickets just to get ancestors

It's not a bad idea at all, it's just that It'll never happen knowing who SP are

[atomic cedar]

I was asking why are the PLAYERS refusing a good change , get a better reading comprehension before calling someone naive

[fresh ore]

I think it's a good idea but a more realistic addition would probably be pity

they added pity once as a beta but scrapped it for some reason...

[wanton orbit]

Making them craftable would make them far to easy to get

If you start hatching an architect the moment you get to 36, your hatchery is going to be stuck for like a month

The most powerful monsters would become the easiest to get

[atomic cedar]

And what's the issue with that for the players

[wanton orbit]

Making the architects really easy to get, while it would make life much easier for older players, would also undermine the whole feeling of progress for the new players. For new players, they could just get architects immediately after level 36 (they better have enough gold before they start to hatch one), before leveling up all of their buildings, before knowing how to actually play the game, or before getting enough food or gold to actually be able to use the architects.
Architects are the best monsters. It makes sense for them to be at least somewhat difficult to get.
That said, I do know that requiring an egg is incredibly infuriating sometimes, so I do fully support a pity system or maybe allowing people to craft them (for the standard 100 cells) only after they get a minimum number of cells (say, if you have 2k cells, you can craft it and get it to r5)

Tldr it probably isn't great for the new player experience

[atomic cedar]

Make it craftable after you get 2000 cells 😑

Problem solved

[wanton orbit]

Alr cool then we agree

[grave birch]

Honestly this is a really fair system that should be implemented. I do not want to deal with a bunch of people who don’t even have the resources to adequately use ancestors asking about this and that and why this doesn’t work. For instance I do not want to keep explaining Crit and all of its effects to people. 2000 for the ability to craft is very fair. Though is SP did this they would probably drop the egg chance to 1% again.

[fluid juniper]

The way you immediately got defensive is comedic, I do understand what you meant, and my response is still valid because everyone that downvoted has probably the same view that SP will most likely never add this

[wanton orbit]

This implies that people downvote purely because they think it won't happen

Whether or not it will happen isn't the point of upvoting or downvoting

It's whether or not you think it should

[last solstice]

if people wanted the ancestor system to be fair, it shouldnt be a gacha system to begin with, that should be the first clue that SP would never change it

[last solstice]

i think ideas that are mostly pipe dreams are irrelevant and should be downvoted

[wanton orbit]

Fair enough

[cedar crypt]

Craftable would be so stupid

They should be guaranteed after 1900 cells

Making them craftable is a horrendous idea, they’re already easier to get than a lot of mythics why make the highest rarity in the game able to be obtained with a few hundred tickets lol

It just makes no sense to me

[dry igloo]

Its strange to me because the Pity system worked just fine

[last solstice]

idk why they removed it, i got kirk that way when he came out

[fluid juniper]

Touché

[atomic cedar]

You are acting as if you weren't the one who went ad hominem on me , defending one's character is sort of a given . Besides that others have already said , we don't vote on ideas based on if SP will implement it or not , we vote based on if we WANT it or not.

[atomic cedar]

I did say later on to make it craftable after getting 2k cells only

[stable shard]

If yall are gonna keep threatening to quit which i understand then why dont you actually just quit i mean i still enjoy the game and most stuff doesnt really effect me so i wont quit but if its so bad like you say it is and that you wanna quit then just quit icl

[atomic cedar]

A lot of people DID quit

You just don't hear from them anymore

Rilo. Rex the list goes on

[stable shard]

Yeah i meant the people who havent tho coz u see it daily

[cobalt horizon]

@next granite that is intended

@supple peak replies/discussions here please

[supple peak]

Who cares bro no one really does anything about feedback

[cobalt horizon]

It's the rules.

[fresh ore]

i like the idea of adding more ways to get ancestors for free other than gambling

but I don't think the solution is more gambling

[dry igloo]

I think ticket dungeons are still the best idea anyone has had for this.

Along with just bringing the pity system back

[stable shard]

Credit to: MrStang for the feedback idea that i just posted

[fresh ore]

i really want more team events honestly

there's only war and race which gives you like nothing at all

[stable shard]

Upvote in #general-feedback as i feel what mrstang was implying was a new team event

[fresh ore]

yeah it sounds fun

[stable shard]

Frl and would also help encourage communication and team activity which will boost enjoyment

[hollow gazelle]

Ideas:

1. When in a monster's info screen, have an indication if the monster is breedable.
2. Add a hatching guardian (I know, folks have asked for that forever, but it would be lovely).
3. As mentioned above by Horyan, multiple, shorter team events would keep ML in line with some other currently popular online team games. The Bounty Hunt is great as it is fundamentally individual, but is helped with team interaction, however the race is becomming more costly and the monsters are regularly unimpressive. Also, the fact that it takes a full week is taxing on full time students/employed team members. Having a variety of shorter term team events from which to choose would be preferable and also serve as excellent team building experiences as the team would choose, together, whether or not to participate and would have greater flexibility based on schecules.
4. Please bring back the grand master pvp or something similar so we can more easily access vault keys. The monthly event is costly after the first 10 keys and the overall expense of the vault keys is prohibative.
   Question: Does anyone actually use "skins?" I've played for years and have seen no one using them and in the monster screen, that tab is always blank, for me. If they are not frequently used, might that tab be put to better use?

[atomic cedar]

Katufo tayni and Ragnarok have one but they are so old that they can only rot

[worn patio]

Thal and elvira have one too

I think it started as a warmaster thing

[uneven scarab]

icl i disagree with both of these

I can kinda get the first one but after a few weeks its easy to make gold and you can upgrade pretty much anything freely

The 2nd one kinda makes sense in lower leagues but would completely mess up legendary leagues