ideas-feedback-discussion

[terse patio]

lol its ur luck

[wraith mountain]

That’s gonna happen to you as well, everyone has this issue

[restive tendon]

like dawg atleast could've made it make sense and actually equal but naah

he's like

"I should always fill stamina and opponents should always attack" bro the change can't be for an individual it's for everyone and it'll work the same

🙏

[terse patio]

so true lol

imagine his idea in live duels or friendly battles

[restive tendon]

💀

[soft flame]

Dude this is so annoying I thought it was just me but it's nice to know others people are also having this problem

[restive tendon]

I also thought it's just me

the game just freezes after u lose/quit out of a lvl in era saga

this should be reported in #1337350775839391775

[mighty maple]

Does anyone else also got the problem with sensory rupture skill of voreth?

Everytime I use it the game crashes out

[soft flame]

The fact murkys suggestion was deleted but not mine worrys me

Unless murky just deleted it himself

[fleet wind]

Dudes the only one who upvoted his message, the previous one, and downvoted your message too 😂

[soft flame]

I swear the feedback channel has gotten insane ever since we started doing the joke suggestions

[tiny turret]

If only role pings work in this server ...

[soft flame]

Listen everyone we want a change to by this is a downhill slope that's bounds to lead to this games early demis with sps greed if we want this to change we need to keep talking about and don't let it blow over within a week the sp mods and devs expect it to just blow over, as they ignore us but what if we keep going what if we keep this same heat in the changes we want for months and months what I'm saying is if we want these changes we can't give up within a week we need to stop so we want our ml back.

[wanton orbit]

This current wave of "decrease fugitive health/perks" has had the largest number of updates out of all the waves I remember

They'd be insane not to do anything about it

[wanton orbit]

Social point is owned by Take Two, which is publicly traded

[atomic cedar]

Then we know the source I shall remove my old comment to reduce misinfo

[wanton orbit]

Alr

[atomic cedar]

The problem lies therewith being a publicly traded company makes the stakeholders focus on short term profit as opposed to longer term profit

Or as we call it worsening of a product

[soft flame]

This is exactly what we need there is so many people speaking out about this if we keep it up and even boycott ml we can stop sps greed (or technically take twos greed but sp still is a big part of the problem)

[fleet wind]

Honestly we just need to annoy SP like they annoy us. We always back down, and then they mess up the game more, not this time!!

[soft flame]

I'm actually starting a protest doing exactly this if ya want I can invite you to the group chat

[soft flame]

Something I've thought of is that their fully aware how discontent the community is with them they've straight up banned the usage of saying sp but with a dollar sign so it makes me think they're fully aware of their greed but they're just trying to censor the ones who are outspoken about it

So that's why I'm saying for all of you don't just let the criticism last for just a couple days let it last for weeks keep criticizing sp and if they won't listen then we should go on strike and stop any spending that any of y'all do no more paying for passes or resource or even watching ads for resources we need to show sp we want changes

If they'll only listen to us when they lose money then make them lose all of it

[soft flame]

Y know I was actually one of the people dm'd for the reaction thing and as soon as I removed it Tim just straight up blocked me or smth like that they obviously only care about talking to you when your hurt their feelings

[soft flame]

That might happen but honestly that would just prove my point

[soft flame]

Also addressing where they spend their time I've seen in Tim's screenshot he has a copius amount of servers he's in and it just makes me think their just hanging around other servers so they can ignore our criticism

[fleet wind]

Everyone upvote Gabriel’s message in Feedback!

[cedar crypt]

@subtle turret it’s not your service it’s the game

It’s been extremely buggy for a lot of people

Multiplayer was so unplayable for me that I dropped down to L1 because I physically couldn’t complete my attacks

[subtle turret]

I think its also my service its been buggier than usual the last few days and ive had much worse service than usual the last few days as well so its probally both

I literally cant open bh either 😢

[clear stump]

I can't remember the last time a feedback actually got over 100 people in agreement lmao

[atomic cedar]

Which I am sure sp.will promptly ignore

And then ppl will leave and the game dies finally

[soft flame]

Yeah this situation goes two way either they listen to us and make the game better, which it's more likely GTA 6 will come out before that happens or the game dies and sp loses one of their cash cows

[atomic cedar]

*their main cash cow

[fleet wind]

Like who plays dragon city 😂

[soft flame]

True

[fleet wind]

Or any other SP game

Like if this game dies SP dies

[soft flame]

Yeah sp is mostly just known for ml even supercell is at least now for a few other games than just clash

[fleet wind]

Social point wasn’t always like this

The greed took over

[soft flame]

Maybe they've been planning that maybe they've just thought they've scammed enough money off of us that they don't need ml anymore and they can just go live on a yacht now or smth

[fleet wind]

😂😂

[true elk]

Please edit the abbreviated swearing out.

[soft flame]

Hey tim you never gave me your opinion whaddya think about all the backlash regarding the bh and sp in general

[soft flame]

Dude are you gonna answer

[true elk]

I’m not a dude.

[soft flame]

I use it as a gender neutral term anyways I just want your opinion

What's your opinion the in fact sp is messing everything up big time

Are you just gonna ignore me or smth

[fleet wind]

Tim doing everything BUT saying his opinion

[true elk]

Again, you assume I’m male.

[soft flame]

And again your evading my question

[true elk]

And please don’t assume SP employees are all males.

It’s not the case.

[soft flame]

Listen I understand you don't want to be assumed to be a male but you haven't answered my question are you not allowed to say your opinion?

[true elk]

I don’t require myself to answer.

[soft flame]

More like sp requires you don't say anything bad about them

Listen it's just a question if you aren't allowed to say anything about it just say that

[rigid halo]

😂 😂

[clear stump]

Or maybe people dont want to engage in the discussion

[atomic sedge]

Any opinions on this?

[rigid halo]

They should make a platform like Supercell ID to have more security for our accounts. And also to link our account, so if we lose Facebook, we don’t lose our ML account.

[copper epoch]

Hol up messages were deleted
Damn sp

[wanton orbit]

95 pieces of feedback in the span of two days. Over 40 different people talking about this issue. And no response from the devs yet.

[soft flame]

I betcha sp thinks ignoring us is gonna work and we're just gonna go back to playing normally and accept the horrible updates but we won't will we if they keep this up we're not just gonna give more feedback we're gonna start boycotting the game so sp will see we're serious this time, this time it won't be like the 2018 boycott we aren't gonna let this happen

[tepid steppe]

100%

i hope more people see this feedback and upvote

[wanton orbit]

Welp we've hit the 100 mark

[restive tendon]

damn

[restive tendon]

atp sp is just silencing us

[wanton orbit]

The mods here aren't part of the dev team

[soft flame]

However there are devs here that will chat here like joppers and Sam but they don't acknowledge the horrid changes

[wanton orbit]

I haven't seen either say anything during the weekend

Joppers seems to exclusively talk in the lore channel, Sam seems to exclusively reply to bug reports

[restive tendon]

they obviously can inform them

[soft flame]

The devs prolly already know and prolly told the mods to completely ignore the criticism

[restive tendon]

also atleast 1 dev is online every day fixing issue that are reported in #1337350775839391775

[restive tendon]

not just ignore but "silence"

[soft flame]

Yeah that too

They aren't gonna get anywhere doing this crap

Their games gonna die and they're gonna be crying because they lost their big money maker

[restive tendon]

atp I hope it happens 🙏

[formal cargo]

Wait so they do actually delete the feedbacks?

[fleet wind]

Pog master being serious??

Ive never seen that

Yes

[restive tendon]

[soft flame]

Yeah and they make up the excuses of it's because of our reactions on announcements or some crap like that

[fleet wind]

They delete our messages reactions and feedbacks

They kick us too

[restive tendon]

yeah ones that expose too much about sp

[fleet wind]

They don’t care

They do everything but read feedback

[restive tendon]

more like "nEgaTiVe fEeDbAcKs aBoUt sP"

[restive tendon]

so true

[fleet wind]

Do not slander SP

These mods gotta be on contracts or something

[restive tendon]

😂

they definitely are

[soft flame]

100%

[restive tendon]

how inhuman of them to silence peaceful protesters

[formal cargo]

I do not wish to slander them .But I’m losing motivation to spend

[restive tendon]

[soft flame]

Guys tims typing in chat she's prolly gonna say smth like "we aren't sp employees."

[restive tendon]

we can't be serious

my feedback literally says it all why we SHOULDN'T follow the rules

[soft flame]

This is hilarious

[restive tendon]

absolutely

[soft flame]

That's strange I can't react on Tim's message

[true elk]

No.

[soft flame]

Y know I figured out that apparently in contracts you can force someone to deny having knowledge of that contract or ever signing it

So hey listen it's just kinda like if we know, we know can't necessarily confirm but it's kinda obvious

It's also most likely in that contract you aren't allowed to speak of the negative criticism and are give a pre written message saying smth like "we are reading your feedback and taking it into consideration."

[true elk]

Moderators don’t have that.

[soft flame]

Hey I get it ya can't admit it ya don't have to explain it

[true elk]

You don’t get it at all. Never mind.

[soft flame]

Yeah

[true elk]

Nothing to explain.

[soft flame]

100%

[restive tendon]

you don't have to explain it, we already know 🙂

[sudden bison]

wow a feedback with a cited source, dont think ive seen that before

bro was locked in

[fleet wind]

LMAOO can’t believe bro used a cited source 😂😂

[clear stump]

I think that takes the "best one so far" trophy

[wanton orbit]

As someone who's voluntarily read all of them, I can say that there is a LOT of valid criticism in all of these. These players care. A lot. The people in Socialpoint really should read all of this.

That said, people, please stop ctrl+c and ctrl+v ing other people's messages

[soft flame]

its mostly bibs copy pasting all the suggestions

[soft flame]

ohh

[soft flame]

I'm just holding out until the end of bh to see if they do anything about it on the coming week, even though I doubt they will their most likely going to ignore us but I just have the tiniest sliver of hope maybe. Just maybe one of em are gonna come out and at least say something about this.

The mods, devs, and cms have all ignored us in our opinions but maybe next week if it gets bad enough they'll say smth

[normal prawn]

No

[wanton orbit]

Global chats are always a cesspool

[fleet wind]

They’re always fun 😊

[restive tendon]

they deleted my feedback

💀

[true elk]

Of dots….

Already feedback there, no need to place the dots….

@nimble oasis @sleek hamlet please don’t use feedback channel for general chat. Thank you.

@upper comet please never ping an employee of the company, it’s in the Rules, plus on description in channels.

[sleek hamlet]

We're getting tired Tim

Just so you know

[nimble oasis]

Ok

[nimble oasis]

Pls tell those so called employees to fix the game

Who' knows what they getting paid for

[fresh ore]

wow this is like coa 2 😭

[restive tendon]

let me ask then, does "sOcIaL pOiNt" follow their own rules? if no so then why are we forced to

[restive tendon]

why does "sOcIaL pOiNt" care they won't be reading it anyways like what

[soft flame]

They just don't want to be pinged cause they wanna be able to ignore us

They probably don't even care cause those corporate pigs are rolling in money, they don't care if the game dies cause take two is making bank off of other games like freaking borderlands

[restive tendon]

that's truly disappointing man

[wanton orbit]

Sorry but what of their own rules are they breaking?

[modest hinge]

Ideally we have right to speech and we are speaking. Other person has right to ignore or not listen us at all. It's just how things work i suppose. You can't have every situation 100% you want. Just give your best out there but don't spread hate. Breaking rules or emoji spamming or even pinging mods and Devs is not the way to go ideally. There are other way to protest peacefully. See i get people are mad , angry doesn't mean they break rules. Doesn't mean you will beat someone just because you are angry that's not how things work in real life. Just protest peacefully find alternative ways to protest that's what we need to do

[modest hinge]

@wanton orbit what you say bro

[wanton orbit]

I fully agree

[modest hinge]

I hope this message reaches to more players. I might get hate for saying it but that's just my opinion. Doesn't mean everyone should follow it but according to my knowledge it's the best way

[ruby silo]

I fully understand

[soft flame]

You guys are awesome I would never hate on yall

[wanton orbit]

The rules set by the devs need to be followed for them to really listen
Hate just really doesn't work when trying to make something change

[modest hinge]

Thank you all for your support guys. Let's just hope for best. I love the game still and don't want it be dead. We can all try to open chat with us in support settings that might be helpful too.

[wanton orbit]

Can we not with the sarcastic feedback

[formal cargo]

I sent a nice message to support team telling them that I really want this game to work and maybe they can add new ways besides gambling to get gems and tickets .I love this game so I hope it will get fixed

[modest hinge]

Same bro. They were actually not doing that bad recently. They did made exarch better

[livid cave]

They'll take it seriously 😭

"Oh? You guys love how difficult this bh is? Ok! We'll work off that going forward!"

[restive tendon]

u don't seem to understand

I mean it's basic common sense that if you have a feedbacks channel THEN YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO READ IT

[restive tendon]

you're right

[wanton orbit]

It is basic common sense, it is highly rational, it may be hypocritical not to, but I don't think that's a rule

A rule of thumb, yes
But not their rule

[restive tendon]

I won't be surprised to know that "sOcIaL pOiNt" lacks it

[restive tendon]

we literally don't need a rule saying "devs should read feedbacks" like it's so obvious bro common man

[rich ingot]

no no you should try reverse psychology if you really want someone to do something

[jagged frigate]

You guys think if I ask social point nicely thell fix the game 😢🙏🏻

[wanton orbit]

They absolutely should read feedback because it is there, made with good intention, and because they have said that they do read feedback

I fully agree there

But it's not some socialpoint rule to acknowledge feedback

[restive tendon]

yeah you're right

[restive tendon]

huh bruh

[normal prawn]

Huh, during abyssal era ppl from facebook tried something else and they failed

[rich ingot]

ofc they failed. how could they make a thing great again when it was never great to begin with

delusional i say !!

[normal prawn]

couldn't find the posts, but here you can see them

[clear stump]

abyssal was rubbish anyways tbf

[soft flame]

Ironic how the game started going downhill when ancestors were introduced

I mean it's not that they aren't fun it's just annoying they completely dominate the meta

[wanton orbit]

I'd like ancestors much more if they had more equal stats and skills to mythics, just with the awakening instead of random chance

[soft flame]

I think they should still have a slight stat advantage not a big gap but still enough to make you want to get them

[wanton orbit]

-# and if every new ancestors didn't dominate

[wanton orbit]

Yea a small stat boost would be fine... but as it is, mythics don't stand a chance

[soft flame]

Yeah like you can't even beat a team of r5 alpine ancestors with conspiracy mythics

I mean maybe with kaliber and jock

But that might be it

[low ocean]

I feel like the higher tier skills behind rank 2, awakening, and easy obtention is more than enough incentive nah?

they would dominate even if mythics had equal stats

mythics just generally have far worse traits and skills

[soft flame]

Your telling if they could get outsped by mons like charm and shadowfynn that they couldn't be beaten

[low ocean]

charm's an attacker so she would naturally not outspeed but yea I'm pretty sure for example sibidu or stina clear her

even if they had (roughly) equal stats

[soft flame]

Ok maybe not but what about deniers like canine and exarch the main advantage they have as ancestral deniers is they outspeed just about everything in the game so how do they perform when mythics are given similiar stats to them

[low ocean]

it depends more on specific speeds then but canine for example still has better traits & virtues

you still have bulwark + rezblock + anti on exarch compared to shadowfynn with just SC anti

[soft flame]

Shadowfynn has access to trait disable which would counter exarch (not canine tho)

[low ocean]

if she was faster and not against an MT

[soft flame]

Also canines SC zero damage directly counter corruptions main gimmick in making monsters attack themselves as for virtues guard down is basically the same as true vision (itc is ok tho) also canine still gets countered by area dodge since he only has cold blood

Shadowfynn also can trait disable my with an et move that lets them get another turn in to trait disable other mons so he can counter mts somewhat

Another good example is mollusk he can apply evasion and damage boosts just like what hounen can do

[low ocean]

Corruption's main gimmick is just another way of making a monster lose its turn and all it practically does is avoid stun immunity. Corruption + zero damage is making sure your opponents are denied two different ways in case they're immune to one of those and not the other. It's not a bad trait in any way.

dodge area ok but who even has dodge area in this day and age

cold blood is all that matters since torog exists

[soft flame]

Florian and fennevyr have dodge area

And fennevyr is pretty good

[low ocean]

I mean cold blood is still amazing even if it doesn't get past dodge area lol

still a better traitset than most if not all mythics

[soft flame]

What ever happened to mythics having full r5 traits

Best we get is maybe an extra 4th trait for some mythics but that's it

[low ocean]

iirc that was reserved for the extra special ones back in the day like elvira and atum

they had locked moves behind rank and extra traits and they pretty much dominated the meta

[soft flame]

Cherub cupid was a special Mon?

[low ocean]

ye

I forgot the exact criteria but pretty much just special cause of the time of year or event or lore significance

and boom you have 5 traits

[soft flame]

Well it obviously isn't lore relevance because volcanyx got a 5 trait set

[low ocean]

I said "or", not "and"

if the monster had any of those you get 5 traits

[soft flame]

Ah

[grave birch]

Honestly they should buff all the forsaken and elite mons to the same stats as today’s ancestors and let them ravage the meta. We only recently started hitting the level of traits and skills that the forsaken’s had. If we think about it none of the alpine ancestors could compare to the forsaken of their category for example Tyr and Baba pale in comparison to Wildbird and Lazarbeam. Khalorc is nothing compared to nitroblaster and Ugluk. Jestin gets closer to Wildbird but still takes to long to awaken to get pierce compared to what Wildbird can do, plus Zizania would slaughter him, plus Wildbird just hard counters Jestin except for light weakness. Mater is weird as she really has no contemporary amoung the legends as pure neg spam was really rare. Evaris gets slaughtered by Thundeer, Korruptus Zizania, and Nisael. Enkidu killed by crabbydroid
Diablous would stand a fighting chance due to how OP super demon is and his true vision, but Wrymlad, and Grakon just exist. Graciel fall in favor of Santerion. Primerion would actually be pretty okay as long as megataunt gets disabled as pretty much all of them are susceptible to CDA or time stop. Kirk gets slaughtered by Lazarbeam and Wildbird. Xandrite stands fine as Zenfira is weaker in terms of trait. Sibidue just gets countered by anything with cleanses and DA including other ancestors. Anwir is too niche (sadly) to push Nisael out of the way of a cleanser and denier though he might be good against other opponents admittedly though the amount of cleansers would be hard to deal with. Saberous is infinitely worse the santerion. Stina has no way to effectively clear the way to deny on her own turn like others (Thunder and Korruptus) addled would still see use as if you can get rid of santerions trait why not use the guy who can use double healing and life regen. Maximus is also fine. Akira has no major threats due to sc: evasions he could be protected by a taunt tank and just spam away.

Hit word limit. Anyhow Florian is where power scaling from new effects hits. No way would SP not have given a forsaken cold blood anticipation disable if it existed at the time however it did not so Florian could definitely see major play due to these traits and skills. Hounen needs no explanation. Dame might fall off as Wrymlad and Nisael are both superior cleansers with heals and revives though due to anticipation and anticipation hater she and Nisael with a tank could make a mean team. Torog might see play for the same reason as Adaled. Nebotus needs corruption immunity to see play as if he had that he would have fun. Exarch is outclassed by others and gets beat by Canine. Speaking of Canine he would work but struggle against Wrymlad and Lazarbeam but would crush quite a few others. Voreth stays due to his insane healing and awesome synergy with Nisael and Rubellus and any other dodge area or anticipation monster. The point of this whole rant was ancestors are only just now hitting levels that the highest tiers of legendaries held for oh so long and if SP where to make them viable again we could have an insane mete especially if you could see three bases before hand and based of your current team (no switching after seeing potential opponents) the meta would be constantly rotating and evolving without the new revolutionary every month. What’s good today could get hard countered tomorrow and that got countered the day after. Imagine live duel drafting like this now THAT would be awesome!

[soft flame]

Imagine they add another rarity like they did with the forsaken legendaries cause think of it so prolly knew the legendaries skills were getting to our of hands so they made mythics with upgraded stats to counter those insane skills I don't really think they had a reason to add ancestors tho cause the mythics weren't getting too out of hand during the galactic era, but either way they decided to add ancestors who only beaten out mythics simply because of the major skill boost but now it's gotten to the same point as forsaken so their prolly gonna do smth Abt the insane skills I mean think of it hounen was literally a full era ago and he's still top dawg if they keep improving skills like that then they need to find a other way to balance it out

[grave birch]

Yeah they will most likely just buff stats through the roof for instance would you rather have et spam Hounen with one turn or a new mythic that goes first possess or gets two turns and does just a blank TD first turn then a TD deny skill the second or just an aoe deny like the ones mythics have. Also kinda disagree with galactic while they definitely were not broken they did so much more with their skills in every field than cosmic or corrupted mons could do plus they had talents. They intentionally gave us bad mythic with abyssal to reset a lot of power creep though Griffania could have just been a mythic with trai protection and immunity to control and still been bonkers no need for ancestors.

[atomic cedar]

Tbh I like this ancestor thing over the warmaster series , the warmasters were insanely hard to R5 compared to any given ANCESTOR

[wanton orbit]

Honestly I don't get why so many people want a hatching guardian

4 hatchery slots are enough to handle one breeding thing with the guardian, without speeding anything up

[leaden gate]

Mainly for race but + for speeding up important urgent monsters like ancestors and fgk

[modest hinge]

It will be even worse implementing a thing like that. Damage is calculated because of automatic attack so if you will attack manually then other people will be locked from attacks and we know that when we will attack manually then we will always do right decisions such as make hounen not ult etc. locked battles from other players means the player who entered the faster wins which is dumb because some people don't have that fast network and good devices. Also bh is all about finding the best comp and most consistent skillset so this idea ruins the main purpose of the event.

[modest hinge]

@keen hawk

[wraith trellis]

Casino

[true elk]

That’s not feedback. One person on here has been identified as big winner.

@copper epoch

[soft flame]

Do you know who it is

[copper epoch]

Well I didn't know

[cobalt horizon]

@formal cargo ranking costs have not changed, that was crafting cost, which has always been 50 gems.

There's a text error in the pop up message saying ranking.

[formal cargo]

@cobalt horizon That was what I was told

I ll remove it

[cobalt horizon]

Someone was mistaken.

Thanks.

[formal cargo]

I changed it

[formal cargo]

Yep no problem

Thank you for heads up

[wanton orbit]

wow the bot still works

amazing

[soft flame]

This is comedy gold

[fleet wind]

I posted it earlier yesterday

Just school through mlo flex and show off

[formal cargo]

Real talk,at least Social point can give use more gems trough gem dungeons

It doesn’t require any effort at all

They don’t seem to be able to add one single cool event anyway

It’s like the hardest task for them to think of one cool event

[terse patio]

and the emote part takes up 90% the time of the dungeon, while the fighting part is like 1 second

[tired fossil]

sp implements something in the game: community complains
sp doesn't implement anything in the game: community complains

[terse patio]

i think the comunity shouldnt just shout in the general-feedback channel

that is super pointless

[cedar crypt]

It should be able to be trait disabled @atomic cedar

I don’t like the idea of it being PER’d

It’s a trait not an effect

[atomic cedar]

I mean atleast something

Currently nothing works

[cedar crypt]

They need to make it either trait disablable or piercable

One or the other

PERing it would be weird

They need to give her some kind of new counter asap

She’s so broken

[atomic cedar]

porque los dos

(Why not both)

[atomic cedar]

Make forcefield apply at sot instead of start of battle

[restive tendon]

blocks all negative status effects, which means trait isn't possible since its just another negative effect

[restive tendon]

td kinda doesn't make sense bcz it makes monster immune to all negative status effects

Peirce not working however also doesn't make sense

[cedar crypt]

But it disables the trait that makes them immune… you can trait disable artifact can’t you?

It’s the same thing lol

[restive tendon]

u can but isnt it a shield?

[restive tendon]

yh ik

[cedar crypt]

Logically you’d think that you could trait disable it because you’re disabling the trait that blocks it same as artifact but they made it so it essentially has built in trait protection too

It’s not weird to think that it should be able to be disabled

[restive tendon]

fair

[restive tendon]

it says "depleted" tho is it like area dodge or smt

[cedar crypt]

You have to take it down with raw damage

That’s the crazy part

[restive tendon]

that's broken

[atomic cedar]

It's fundamentally broken that is the issue

[restive tendon]

yeah atleast it should've been pierce able

[atomic cedar]

The definition of forcefield has to be changed you can see all top accounts in olympus just spam qylara either on offense or defense

[restive tendon]

like pierce can bypass any defense, regardless of what they are or what they do

[atomic cedar]

And going against qylara is such a dam drag even if you have her yourself

[restive tendon]

yh and it's not even close

[atomic cedar]

Atleast hounen and griffania who were the two MOST broken ancestors on release had SOME counterplay

[restive tendon]

well so how exactly can the Forcefield be disabled?

[atomic cedar]

This has 0

[atomic cedar]

Damage

[restive tendon]

true

[atomic cedar]

Punching bag contest basically

[restive tendon]

it says immune to dmg no

[atomic cedar]

No

You can deplete , they can deplete the shield

[atomic cedar]

But it's 10 million

[atomic cedar]

Atleast in olympus

[restive tendon]

how isn't it 50% life

[atomic cedar]

Due to people running xiv life runes on her

[restive tendon]

are they putting life runes 💀

[atomic cedar]

People have xiv life on her making her hp 20 mil

And running antic mons with her

[restive tendon]

that's crazy

[atomic cedar]

So u cannot hounen spam and remove the shield even

The best way to defeat qylara is qylara

[atomic cedar]

And then whoever has better speed and life wins after half an hour

[restive tendon]

like how does that actually work

[atomic cedar]

Or sometimes the BATTLE EXPIRES

[restive tendon]

more than the limit so basically a lose lol

[atomic cedar]

@restive tendon already said that

[atomic cedar]

Yep

[atomic cedar]

Also haters do not work on that forcefield

[restive tendon]

didn't read that

[restive tendon]

WHAT

[atomic cedar]

Yep

No pierce , no haters , no shield removal , no trait disable, no per

No instant death

No death countdown

No nothing

[restive tendon]

💀

[atomic cedar]

Except pure damage Nothin works

[restive tendon]

gotta get her asap ig

[restive tendon]

damn they really ruined it all

[atomic cedar]

The only comp which is able to finish qylara doesn't exist

[atomic cedar]

You can do it if the opp forgets to run anticipation mons

[restive tendon]

yeah true

[atomic cedar]

But else , good luck

[restive tendon]

[wraith trellis]

Top one uses Nebotus 2 str 1 speed

And idolater to boos his str even more

[mighty maple]

For pure dmg maximus is also not a bad option

With his 'galactic charisma ' skill

But require hounen along it also

[clever yacht]

Go to adventure map and some bots will teach you how to use % life remove skill

[atomic cedar]

That is a part of our damage

[atomic cedar]

Tbh I will wait till next BH then I will quit

[clever yacht]

We shouldn't judge the rewards right now because it's beta, if it's too big it's basically unfair to non-beta people. As for duplicate cards, that's the nature of this event, just hope they really make it random and don't mess with the odds, otherwise, you know what I mean

This event seems to be built to change the way to get A monsters. Maybe from the next era, it will not be possible to roll new A from conjuring anymore, they will distribute A eggs and cells into sets and the biggest part into album completion rewards. At that time, most people will be able to get r2-r3, but if you want to maximize, you have to invest to complete the event

This will make players have to play more often, participate in enough events if they want to own new A. Currently, I just need to play the game every bounty hunt to have enough gems to get r5 ancestor every month

[modest hinge]

That's dumb I don't know why that she should Happen. This system is much more f2p friendly

With card events they will limit us. We know how sp does and keeping them completely behind paywall is dumb

[wanton orbit]

As much as I dislike this game's reliance on gambling, it is a very effective way of getting ancestors out

Ancestors shouldn't be locked behind any one feature, though

Locking them behind cave makes them require gambling
Locking them behind cards makes them incredibly inconsistent and (maybe?) exclusive to people who pay

[modest hinge]

I will still prefer gambling over paywall. I still think gambling is fine if they just make it a one step gambling not a two step gambling

[wanton orbit]

Gambling beats paywall but neither methods are exactly good

[modest hinge]

Like gambling for tickets but we are guaranteed cells. Or guarantee tickets but cells are gamble

Or they should make a guarantee form of progression

I think that works better. Like ok so if we do this we are bound to get ancestor cells

[modest hinge]

@wanton orbit that makes much more sense i think

[wanton orbit]

Yea 1 layer of rng is ok

Idrk how they'd do it with no rng, maybe a really difficult resource dungeon to get an ancestor egg or lamp?

[modest hinge]

I have a great idea

[modest hinge]

Like a resource which we earn with time and gives us guaranteed progression towards ancestors and can be exchanged for cells

War masters were more tough i think. But i think this one should be easier or more obtainable

I mean easier for ancestors as compared to war Master

[wanton orbit]

Weren't those p2w?

Cuz you needed heroic orbs which were difficult to get without spending a lot of gems?

[wanton orbit]

Ye I think I'd like that
The question is just how to go about implementing it

I do like the idea of it being similar to warmasters, just without needing heroic orbs/some other expensive currency

[true elk]

Hi, moving this here to address it.

The Bot automatically removed the feedback as it contained a full swear word.

[karmic fable]

Where do I find the swear jar channel?

[terse patio]

whats that swear word i dont see it

[true elk]

I’m not placing a swear word on the server. Against the Rules.

That was just showing their message was auto deleted.

[true elk]

You don’t, only a few members can see it.

You don’t need to.

[karmic fable]

Wait— so those #ml-records-submissions AutoMod deletes them?

[true elk]

The Bot removes certain messages in every channel.

[karmic fable]

I figured it out. It’s only for higher authorities.

[true elk]

No, it’s just for SP and Moderators.

[cobalt horizon]

It's there to automatically remove inappropriate posts. If it was visible to all, then would be rather pointless.

[modest hinge]

Hating mods is pointless here. If a feedback is being removed try to find out why it was removed at first place. Mods are just following rules and they are very good. I have seen them saying people to delete messages certain times. Also if you don't like how the game direction is going protest peacefully and in a way it is not offensive

[modest hinge]

@copper epoch

[restive tendon]

true

[terse patio]

so true lol, i hate that people are arguing with the mods, they are just doing their job

and some tries to be aggressive towards the dev team to try to make change 😂 you guys just have to know that this wont work 😂

[copper epoch]

Real nice to know

[formal cargo]

Hating mods won’t do any good and hating SP clearly won’t do it either so we either accept the situation or all of you try to give constructive ideas

But if we keep hating and stuff I’m 100% sure they will be even less inclined to listen to anything

[terse patio]

people just dont know what cognitive dissonance is

shouting in general-feedback is totally pointless

that will just make sp think their freedom of choice is threatened

[modest hinge]

I agree. I read a very good line somewhere. We won't get everything at what time we want everytime . We can hope that we get it sometime or someday. I feel like that's what keeping me up. I hope someday they do good changes

[terse patio]

right now I can see that less and less people are complaining already, maybe this whole thing only happened because of the bh???

[modest hinge]

I still got decent profit at end like 1450 gems without playing that much

Which was only slightly lower than last to last time

[formal cargo]

I was also a hater at first and ,some stuff do not sit right with me for now, but I think the card event is awesome and a step forward and I would also love the gem dungeon ideea .

So I would rather spend my money and be nice Beacuse at the end of the day is the only way to change smth

This ideea is awesome

[terse patio]

i think the thing that need the most changes is the daily dungeon, it totally sucks

who is wasting 10 minutes to watch monsters emoting and get like 400k gold lol

while they can just click "collect all" and get that amount in like 5 minutes

[atomic cedar]

For this even 1 M food is useless after like 5-6 months of account age/progress

[terse patio]

it is crazy amount for beginners though

[atomic cedar]

My alt is 6-7 months old and I am sitting on 47 M food

[atomic cedar]

You don't get the 100 gems wheel for an account under 1 month old anyways

[terse patio]

getting food is quite easy if u have a good gold source. 1.6 mil food every hour if done correctly

pls rate my mythic version of rockantium

[tiny turret]

Still better than 50K though, if I increased the food even more it would be lower chances of getting ...

[terse patio]

very majestic drawing

[karmic fable]

Lol , I suck at art

Also do u expect a good drawing from using a finger to draw on a cracky phone screen?

[terse patio]

oh its finger drawn, okay my bad

[wanton orbit]

I think adding an ancestor limit might go poorly, but the power gap between mythics and ancestors definitely needs to be closed a bit imo

[atomic cedar]

For me tbh the things SP should do rn is to fix the BH and to make the ancestor guaranteed after 1900 cells.

[atomic cedar]

I am sure that the players read these feedback more than the devs atp

[true elk]

Mods are players remember.

We read everything in Feedback Channel.

Not at all, read my message again.

I can say Mods, as I’m one and I know Mamamonster also reads feedback.

[atomic cedar]

I think @soft flame is asking to clarify that are the devs and the mods one and the same

[true elk]

No, they know we aren’t.

[wraith mountain]

This guy is an elite team lead, goes to show how much weight these words carry

[wanton orbit]

This pvp system really isn't great... "bad" players are forced to fight other "bad" players no matter what league they are in

some people in olympus dont even deserve to be gold

Some people in gold deserve to be higher but they are kept down by the pvp system

[modest hinge]

About the pvp system. I can help breakdown how it works. So ths people with maxed out ancestors who doesn't care about multiplayer they get dropped down the Leagues slowly and slowly. But with like this card event almost everyone is trying to push up. I agree that facing stronger opponents is hard but that's how it is. Like i don't have watson and facing watsons is insta lose for me but still I play it just to be at good rankings

[atomic cedar]

Can you please elaborate on that?

[wanton orbit]

Simplyjo's pvp

Vs my pvp

We're both champ 1, but theirs is significantly more difficult

[wanton orbit]

-# this is just the first attack log from someone in the same league as me that I could find

[atomic cedar]

But why is that??

[wanton orbit]

No idea!

[atomic cedar]

I mean now that you say it

One of my friends is in olympus

Like consistently

But I fry him 5-0 on any restrict he gives me in friendly matches

And his team is much much worse than mine

[wanton orbit]

Yea

I don't have any solid proof for anything, but it is pretty weird

[atomic cedar]

For this feedback I would just say making qylara's forcefield a status caster is currently the best thing to do because if you face qylara without your own qylara , you cannot win in most cases unless your comp is specifically made to counter her,

[true elk]

@sudden horizon if it was a leak, you have to wait like everyone else, to see if it appears in game. Not always do.

[modest hinge]

Status caster forcefield will fell off hard if you think about it

[atomic cedar]

It's purpose is to make sure that if qylara is outsped then forcefield has some counterplay like trait disable or something

[modest hinge]

I think what sp wants that it should be viable always. If we had sc forcefield the next denier would counter her pretty hard

[atomic cedar]

Idk they gonna put ultra pierce next which counters it or smth

[modest hinge]

Highly doubt it. Best i see is a skill with forcefield disable or something like an attacker just to counter watson. But it is possible that sp just releases that doesn't do anything to watson lol

[leaden gate]

Soon forcefield will be easy to counter lol

[leaden gate]

I guess It was cause the xmass offer (when it was still closed) when you clicked it it says "unlock at lvl 151"

[leaden gate]

(Cause the specific counterplay doesn't work and I already showed sp)

[atomic cedar]

Exarch be looking at you 👀👀

[modest hinge]

The one time sp messed it up. They are human too so mistakes happen but they corrected it

[atomic cedar]

@wicked cloak There is a collect all gold button but you need to have more gold in order to use it

[terse patio]

you need to build a certain number of habitat

i forgot how many

[atomic cedar]

The amount of gold currently stored also matters

[terse patio]

interesting🤔

[cobalt horizon]

Ready to collect is when gold icon appear, which is at 25%+ full

[terse patio]

Wow

[atomic cedar]

This would be a great event during the first week of the cycle aka the week long maze cycle as a team event because we have nothing for week 1 , race for week 2 , colosseum as our active event for week 3 and bh for our week 4 , week 1 essentially has no active event , it's all passive

[modest hinge]

First of all powercreep is good in this game. Not as huge as it is but powercreep should exist. I don't think anyone likes same meta and despite powercreep jj was meta for like a year or two which i think becomes completely stale

[modest hinge]

This concept seems very complex to me also not to mention if it happens we just gonna see old mythics which had insane skills so I don't see a way you balance out this stuff. 2k tokens in bounty hunt? Forgot that it's ever happening.

[rich ingot]

you know you have a horrid game design when the only form of balancing is by powercreeping

[wanton orbit]

Ngl the power creep is fine by me

In terms of stats

The skill power creep and the fact that each new architect dominates the meta is less fine by me

[wanton orbit]

In terms of speed, it's been a consistent 8-10% boost per era on average

[terse patio]

I personally think only 1 ancestor should be sent out per battle

Whats the point of synergy teams when people just use 3 ancestors every time

[modest hinge]

For sagas

And maybe if the relic is so good that the synergy team can be used in wars

[terse patio]

PLEASEE

[terse patio]

PLEASE

i want it so bad

[wanton orbit]

Monster stat power creep is fairly constant, around 10% per era, and that's what drives the meta forward, allowing this game to continue and not become super stale. F2p players, while it is difficult, can actually follow along with this.
The monster skill/trait power creep is what's making each new architect dominate the meta. This is the one that is most problematic imo
Adding more ranks would be seen by much of the community as a major money grab, especially given that the devs would need to use some newer resource to keep it balanced

[normal prawn]

@keen hawk Yes, i had that beta with 1/3 accs

[modest hinge]

I mean I don't have any idea why people want to see old monsters be back in meta. I think seeing the same thing is quite boring and stale. Also not to mention like even if we make R6 to R10 of previous eras those stats would still be less and i think it would be better to use developing time than that into new things and new features. I don't think anyone wants to see jj meta again or like monsters which had broken skills be back again. Too much odd stuff and like meta will be so bad. I think the way it is going is good and i think powercreep especially for monster legends is a great way for the game to keep going forward

[atomic cedar]

Old means legendary old, we want them back because we also want a place to use them except friendly battles 😔

[terse patio]

😂 😂

people need to calm down

[modest hinge]

I think if you are a smart f2p or a smart p2w. You make way more gems than that ( all because of bh). You need to be decently active during a week a month and with a good bh team you can max every upcoming ancestor easily ( now even with the bad bhs we are facing it's still pretty easy if you are smart ) . Now i totally agree some of offers which sp did are very bad and full of scams but if I am a smart spender or like for example I spend money I make sure whatever I buy is good or worth it atleast ( that is i take advice and think a lot before spending) if a person doesn't think and buys and regrets later it is on them ( sorry but that's the truth) . We all want game to do good and we should just keep doing efforts

[modest hinge]

@polar lark

[terse patio]

i agree , its the game way to make players actually play rather than just wait for the gems to come

[cedar crypt]

Smaller stat gaps are fine

The stat gaps are too large

[modest hinge]

Every game in existence I know requires you to play so that you can keep up or keep progressing. If you want to skip that you spend money that's the whole point i think. Either you put efforts or spend money.

[modest hinge]

If it's 10% should be down to 5% but I don't want it to be less than that. Then i feel like somewhere we can make some op ancestors meta for years. Example jj was still meta till akira came out i think or atleast first best ancestor atleast. I think meta should still keep moving so 5% is a good middle ground to test

[wanton orbit]

Maybe

Yea 10% each era does kinda seem like a lot

But it is very effective at keeping the meta moving

[atomic cedar]

I along with many will probably also leave the game if BH isn't fixed

[wanton orbit]

And I honestly prefer the stat inflation over the skill inflation (like hounen or watson)
Stat inflation leads to a much more open meta, where each monster still needs to be used properly in order to be effective

Skill inflation, on the other hand, leads to the situation where you are completely screwed if you don't get the newest monster

[clear stump]

@modest hinge , Skins were already a thing in 2019 and 2020 for a limited number of Legendary and Mythic monsters and stopped around Cosmic Era

[cedar crypt]

Yeah it’s too bad they don’t do em anymore

[nimble oasis]

Make your profile picture skeletron skin ??? 😉

[terse patio]

I remember dog kafuto and a lot more of warmasters 😂

I hope they can somehow find a way to put skins back into the game

[modest hinge]

But it will be a way better source of revenue. I feel like instead of bad offers people will get skins especially on cool monsters and the revenue can be used for improvement for game

[clear stump]

If the skins are purely cosmetic enhancement, which the previous sets were, I can't imagine that they will. They tried multiple ways of releasing skins - through LPs and as standalone purchases, some skins being a complete reimagination of the monster like Victorious Kawthor and Green Light Tayni, whereas some others were recolours like WM Elvira, Shadow Noar. None of these provided anything other than an alternative colour palette, and its clear they weren't making enough revenue to be worthwhile, COVID being a factor for sure.
On the other hand, if you have skins that provide specific stat/trait/skill enhancements you'll be neglecting the players who don't play and definitely receive more "money hungry" feedback, how would you actually balance it? Free to earn cosmetic skins and paid only enhancement skins? Doesn't sound nice to me, especially with Architects being the focal point - who gets a skin, who doesn't?

[cobalt horizon]

Things change, and who knows the reason more weren't released, and features aren't always about revenue. The underlying mechanics for them are already in game, so always a possibility for more.

[terse patio]

I would love to see them bring skins back, but if they dont then its still ok

[wraith trellis]

Why did they stop in the first place, a money hungry game like ML make ridiculous amounts on cosmetics

[wraith trellis]

Maybe the most popular voted monsters and the runner up’s gets cosmetics

It gives an incentive to vote

[austere minnow]

Coloured effects : Instead of negative being red and positive being green effects can be made of the colour of their respective elements example shock and electrified yellow curse, nightmare ,corrupted, possession decay black ignite and burn red poison and toxins green, sandstorm brown, bane and fear purple etc. To differentiate between positive and negative effects, positive effects could have a plus sign just above the effect whereas negative effects can have a negative sign just above the effect.

[wraith mountain]

Nah, too much work…

Keeping it green and red is easy to tell

[austere minnow]

Bruh

[wanton orbit]

Oh sorry, I was wrong
It's 188

[wraith trellis]

Clean slate, players get rewards on how well they did on the prequel

[manic oak]

This Guy is clearly right .

[cerulean talon]

They made the channel to make fun of us fr

Abt 100 of players voting for the same thing and they are just looking through and finding an. Question that can be solved by ai and reply to that

[formal cargo]

As I said .Not a single good feedback in the last month

[terse patio]

a guy said the team deserve a raise bc of the card event

🤔

last month

[clear stump]

@ebon monolith that's feedback, you're describing something you don't like

[ebon monolith]

??

[ebon monolith]

But I'm giving feedback about how dumb it is and a solution, aren't I?

[clear stump]

i'd put it in feedback for that purpose lol

[ebon monolith]

Okay, either way, devs never check those feedbacks or ideas

I clearly gave an idea, so I think it can fit with both the feedback and ideas

[modest hinge]

Not so sure about that. Spreading hate is not the solution , if we will be too aggressive it's possible we might see game even worse cause Dev's will be filled with anger too

[terse patio]

Bro thought a day has 100 hours

No one. NO one has time to do that. Everyone has a life.

[modest hinge]

It's like to make them hear we do fire guns in front of their office 😂

[terse patio]

hating is never the solution

[modest hinge]

Yeah exactly

[terse patio]

I dont even now how people came up with those thoughts. They want to play the game, but instead of finding a way to improve, they keep trying to kill the game

Make zero sense to me

[modest hinge]

Some people who just spread hate or are immature enough to don't know how to act

[terse patio]

Apparently they can't think and plan for anything that could happen

At least try to place them into sp position, to see how they would feel abt this

[atomic cedar]

In some cases it is but not here

[low ocean]

There's a big difference between "spreading hate" and what the unemployed guy is suggesting. Mr all-the-time-in-the-world is suggesting that everyone write objective feedback to sp in a way that'd potentially reach them, not just crapping on the game

what you're saying is like saying protesting climate change is spreading hate against oil companies

[modest hinge]

People have been trying to make sp listen from 10 years, i think only time community actually got something was way back in legendary era. Problem is a lot of people play the game casually which they won't be affected by a lot of changes sp makes ( now if competitive players who are totally f2p they will suffer the most) now there are various way of protesting against this. The way he does is just spreading hate

[low ocean]

How is it spreading hate and how do you suggest it should be done to not spread hate

[modest hinge]

Isn't he being aggressive like i gave a example below how it seems like

[low ocean]

? No you didn't, most of his points are just saying we should send them objective feedback about the game through channels besides the discord

[modest hinge]

Dislike and downvote everything ( that includes if they do something good too like how is it correct idk understand) now coming to the point. Never post a positive feedback why?

[modest hinge]

@low ocean

[low ocean]

as a form of protest

its not hateful to downvote and comment an objective complaint

[modest hinge]

No it's not. You need to appreciate good changes

Just downvoting everything is not the solution

It's similar to the clown emoji things which was done in past

[low ocean]

You can appreciate a good change AND protest what you don't like

[modest hinge]

Do that on wrong things which harms the community i am up for it

[modest hinge]

Yeah that's the point

[low ocean]

the problem with what you're saying though is they're never making an instagram post saying "oh yeah we made bh worse we hope you like it" where you get to discuss with the devs

you won't get the volume if it isn't everywhere

it won't be seen

[modest hinge]

That's true they will never do that but when they do something wrong again it is possible to do address the issue again. It's not like we don't get a lot of issues to talk about. Currently we can talk like 5 different things expect bh which are in wrong direction

Some of them include watson in multiplayer, how forcefield is broken , how wars are disturbed

[low ocean]

and ur suggestion is to shut up god forbid you spread hate against the multibillion dollar company

I want you to think about it for a moment

If play store and app store reviews, social media posts, discord, etc. were bombarded what would happen?

does the ceo have an emotional breakdown

there is genuinely no consequence to "spreading hate"

either it makes no difference or it does

[modest hinge]

I gave this feedback myself

[low ocean]

Alright good job

now don't crap on other people for giving feedback the way they think is proper

[modest hinge]

I am just giving my opinion it's all open if someone wants to follow that path or not

I am not forcing someone to do as I say. Nor i am saying anyone to just follow me. It's not about that I am always right. It's that what all I learnt and how my brain thinks the way i told is right

[low ocean]

Fair enough then, I rest my case
You have a good day sir

[modest hinge]

Sorry if you didn't like something about what I said. Humans have agreement disagreement. Have a good day too thank you for atleast reading and putting your opinion

[wanton orbit]

I think we're now approaching 200 pieces of feedback regarding the bounty hunt event since the beginning of last bh

[atomic cedar]

I am so very inclined to ,@darkchabe l at this point

[true elk]

Please don’t.

[atomic cedar]

I won't you know that but still feels bad when all the feedback is ignored

[manic oak]

Tim since u are a mod you talk with devs right?

[true elk]

I do indeed. Well, message, not talk.

[wanton orbit]

Understandable
Idt it'd help anything tho

[manic oak]

Yea So does Sp or someone who is working on the game reads this feedback or suggestions ?

[true elk]

Of course they do.

[manic oak]

Okay so why are they making the game harder

[true elk]

I’m a player.

[manic oak]

A guy got this damage with Fugitive hater and dame and hounen

[manic oak]

Yea I know

[manic oak]

We already said how bad the last 2 Bh were and now we got an even worse 1

The Normal way to buy gems is more worth it that the Xmas Way

Also we have said many times That there should be another way to get tickets . I kinda like the cards but its just Way harder to complete it without paying or with paying very little.

[manic oak]

Btw sorry if I went to you Like tht its js that im so frustrated with Sp

[true elk]

People can get that way. No worries.

[clear stump]

who's the ideas department person reference? praying that's not me bc i'm not a dev and i think i'm the only person with that role now, happy to be corrected

[terse patio]

this whole game is a slot machine

[wanton orbit]

I find it funny how the one feedback a dev replies to is the one feedback that namedrops a dev

Not... yk... the other hundred asking for the feedback to be addressed

(Hundred is a random number idk how many there are but it's a lot)

[cerulean talon]

Yep i know they'll if they got mentioned

[halcyon sage]

BOUNTY HUNT - make the first 5 tile flips mandatory within 5 minutes. If a player fails to flip 5 tiles within this time, then AI flips them automatically. With 10 players in each group, the search for the fugitive would be guaranteed to kick off after 5 minutes which would nullify the problem of dead lobbies where nothing happens for hours and nullify the problem of players aimlessly refusing to flip thinking they are gaining some sort of advantage. Attempting to kill the fugitive has become unnecessarily difficult but there is more chance of this being achieved if all players know each lobby is effectively active after 5 minutes.

BOUNTY HUNT - the second point I would make is that the reward of the 50 gems for killing the fugitive should be awarded to the top 4 players (could be the top 3 or 5, etc). They will have clearly performed the majority of the attacks and should be rewarded accordingly. The current system is clearly unfair and encourages players NOT TO ATTACK, instead waiting until the very end to potentially snipe the 50 gems. It isn’t fair or reasonable to award someone 50 gems for one attack, whilst the players who have actually performed the majority of the attacks don’t receive any gems. Structuring the gems award this way would absolutely encourage players to attack more often as they would need to finish as high up the leaderboard as possible. This again would mean that each lobby becomes more efficient and would prevent players from simply sitting and waiting for others to do the work.

[cedar crypt]

This is not at all the issue

No one is making a new team so they can face weak teams

If we could make a new team and automatically be placed into legendary we would lol

@livid spear just doesn’t make sense at all, no one is doing that the rewards aren’t at all worth it the war shop is mid

[fleet wind]

Both of these feedbacks are directed at the wrong people.

The first one, there will always be whales, that is true. Now directing your anger at incog, RT, SA, and BGBD is just not the way to go. A lot of players in a lot of these teams are f2p, or spend little to no money. They are just good, and grind. For the rest of these players, people really only spend money on tasks, which doesn’t benefit social points wallet. Find another thing to aim your anger at

The second one, just doesn’t make sense. Have you heard of ranked matchmaking? People in legendary leagues, or really most leagues, can’t just face brand new teams. There is a thing called trophies, which matchmaking is based off of.

You people who are slandering top teams for BEING GOOD, are PART OF THE PROBLEM

[clear stump]

Longtime players will remember whn that was a problem, it hasn't been one since about 2019. They added Bonus Trophies to new teams for this reason.

[fleet wind]

More of a reason as to why that claim just makes 0 sense

[broken hollow]

then what would be the point of having a higher ranked fgk...

@buoyant tangle

and then for the ones with low ranked fgk they would never kill the fugitive

[buoyant tangle]

Then adjust the amount needed to kill the fugitive adjusted by the rank of the fugative, sort of like being in a league. As your fugitive killer increases in rank you progress to the next level with more needed to kill it.

That way everyone has an opportunity to decide whether to advance the rank of the fugitive killer or not- especially those f2p players

[broken hollow]

again then there's no reason to rank up there fgk

someone just has all xivs and keeps a rank 1 fgk to get tons of kills

[modest hinge]

Agree

[modest hinge]

You can be extremely competitive in this game for cheap and if bh is back like before you can be competitive f2p too

[fleet wind]

You don’t even need bh

If you have good tasks, I know it depends on region, then that’s all you needd

And some good luck I guess lol

It’s very situational and some people are very unlucky but in the end that’s how it is for most games don’t put blame on top teams

[modest hinge]

You extremely need it in places where tasks are bad

For example where I live task gives 2k gems even on weekends and those are like very tough to do as well or require money mostly

[modest hinge]

Luck gets neutralised the more you play and the more you gamble or stuff

[harsh yoke]

The tasks we have

[modest hinge]

Agree

[fleet wind]

Yikes

I would cry

[cerulean talon]

Exactly my copy of the sit

[tiny turret]

I have RAID in TapJoy 😛

[normal prawn]

Maybe they'll give us general tickets

or food

🔮 🐿️

[normal prawn]

Bad predict but with same value as i expected

[modest hinge]

Mythics do matter in wars and ancestors are more f2p friendly than mythics

It is easier to max an ancestor than a mythic. With a decent amount of gems used to be from bh and good tasks you can get tons of them

[wraith mountain]

Ok, BH sucks now, tasks aren’t fair, how is someone with rotten luck like me gonna get an Ancestor maxed? I have to go through 3 gambling walls

[atomic cedar]

You are talking about rotten luck to @modest hinge ??? Oh the irony

[modest hinge]

This one was bad yeah. Let's see how next bh is. Tasks depends on region but people have tricks to bypass that which someone does can tell you ( I don't recommend it) i would recommend to save resources if you are unsure what to do like katia people are not sure so just wait etc. Gambling is dumb in this game I agree but when we get lucky it does feel good

[modest hinge]

At this point I don't care much since I am not at a disadvantage in high wars 😂 but yeah definitely sp needs to change it

[cedar crypt]

@summer quiver if all you care about is multiplayer then yes it’s almost all ancestors there are still a handful of really relevant mythics tho but if you care about wars then that’s no true at all tons of mythics see a lot of usage in high level wars

[wraith mountain]

3 walls of gambling for an Ancestor is insane tbh

[modest hinge]

I mean there's two. One is cave and other is summoning but still never seen anything like that

[wraith mountain]

First wall, begging Avarita to go away. Second wall, getting the tickets, final wall, getting the monster

[modest hinge]

If you do caves for a while it even outs with time 10 tickets per gem is average

[wraith mountain]

I do like the free run

[fleet wind]

Nah

800 gems, 2 hours straight last night

4k tickets

Was all I got

And nothing else

[modest hinge]

The sample size is too small

[fleet wind]

Whatchu mean

[modest hinge]

So with time the more gems you put into. The closer it gets to average

[fleet wind]

What team are you on??? I always see you and have always wondered

[modest hinge]

Souls lair

[fleet wind]

What were you on before souls lair was formed

[modest hinge]

DMT goblins

[fleet wind]

Ahhh

I was wondering why murky left rt then I saw souls lair was made

Anyways

[modest hinge]

He was there for a while before new team was formed.

[fleet wind]

You would think it cancels out, I’m so much in the red right now it’s insane, we will see

[modest hinge]

I can tell because I have maxed like 10 ancestors

It's obviously not strictly 1k gems. Sometimes it is 700-800-900-1k-1.1k-1.2k

[fleet wind]

I get what you mean

[modest hinge]

You can get lucky , unlucky that's how probability works

[fleet wind]

Yeah

In cave last night, 400 gems straight I didn’t get past room 7 once

[modest hinge]

That's unlucky 💔 should have stopped at that time. Hopefully you get a very good run soon

[fleet wind]

It’s wild how luck fluctuates

Especially in this game

One run I will get everything but won’t get another run for a week

[modest hinge]

Because it is predetermined

[fleet wind]

[modest hinge]

Don't worry bro I hope you get better luck

[fleet wind]

No matter what I’m sure I won’t get your bad luck 😂😂

2650 cells no egg is insanityyyy

Like the chances of that happening are so low it’s just mindboggling

[modest hinge]

Some guy got 4500 cells no egg

[fleet wind]

I’d quit

[modest hinge]

He did probably

[fleet wind]

😂😂

[wraith mountain]

Yeah he did

The dude was an RT member

4.5k Kirk cells and he straight up rage quit

Which is ABSOLUTELY FAIR

[fleet wind]

Who

[wraith mountain]

Dont remember

U gotta ask Gabriel

He only told me the dude rage quit

[leaden gate]

Kibishi

[atomic cedar]

I got a buttload of things to say on this

It requires a HEAVY rework first and foremost

1. reorganise the cell distribution of the exclusive mon even if you are at 119/120 you cannot get incognita

2. make a new holo guaranteed from the 1500 box because more than often we get 100 umbryl/eklipsis

[modest hinge]

To talk more on this I think what Devs need to do is like completing a collection is more rewarding so right now it needs to be improved. Do what i would say is like the best case scenario will be get R4 monster just from sets and R5 from getting all sets. So a R4 monster cells iirc 4400 cells can be divided equally between all particular sets

[modest hinge]

Yeah I don't think umbryl and eklpysis should even beva reward in those. Now if we want that card event to stay forever we need to keep adding new collections and new rewards after a certain time plus i guess it keeps things interesting

[cedar crypt]

@red magnet no one is confused by your feedback I was simply adding on to it

[cedar crypt]

@dusky zinc I’m with you on this, early legendary days had minimal powercreep but closer to the end of the legendary era the powercreep was less with stats and more with the monsters overall utility they just started making the monsters so overwhelmingly OP rather than boosting stats which was just as bad

[fresh ore]

2000 gems for a card??

a bit steep

[atomic cedar]

Imma be honest even 10 k normal tickets is not much at all

[cedar crypt]

@strange dune not really fair to compare war books to faction books but I agree with your point overall

Factions books are completely different and don’t show up in the war pool so they follow different rules

I agree overall tho that some books are left out to dry while other books like evil legions are beyond full of meta picks

[atomic cedar]

This reads to me as the opinion of someone who hasn't played the game at all , you get enough to complete 2 whole rounds of that event

[atomic cedar]

@keen hawk

[fresh ore]

does album completion pack price not change with cards collected? would be a massive oversight and pretty unfair assuming this offer is new

or does it like just appear if you have just like 5 missing

[cobalt horizon]

It does vary depending on number needed.

Costs I've seen, have been $10-$50, for 1-5 cards.

For a r5 mythic, not a bad deal if you are a spender.

[atomic cedar]

Y'all seriously slapped the fusion family head on buff voltaik and gave him a hoodie and called it a day 💀, there are SO MANY interesting possibilities with that whole line and we get that.

[harsh yoke]

Looks like they are Imigbo-lux aura and madam fusion

[tiny turret]

Katia’s face card isn’t even that bad 😭 only on her awakened form

[clear stump]

I never expected anyone to hate Dragconian that much

[rich ingot]

i thought they were referring to dragonian beast at first

the most confusing 2 minutes of my life

[fleet wind]

They removed my message from general feedback because it isn’t “feedback”

It is very important in my opinion.

It is very annoying how Social Point decides to fix a rune bug in two days but for a bug like hounens damage bug it took them an entire year… or with exarchs bug, still happening… you only focus on bugs that will benefit us!

[lean kelp]

A lot of the pride rep monsters do come across as caricatures tbh

Especially Lionel from this year

The best pride reps were Katherine and Lady Meow 😔 🖐️

[cedar crypt]

@strange dune I upvoted then I saw you suggest making factions books into war books and I had to remove it immediately

This is a horrible idea I’ve see people suggest it in the past

[lean kelp]

"Wicked Gaia ancestor"

[cedar crypt]

I don’t think you realize HOW MANY monsters competitive players will have to invest in to cover all basis in wars, that simply isn’t realistic it unnecessarily over complicates the war pool I would probably have to step back from the game if they genuinely added faction books to the war pool it’s such a horrendous suggestion🥀I agree on your first point tho for sure, we need ancestors for the factions that don’t have ancestors

[livid cave]

real... we need one badly...

[cedar crypt]

@proper jungle it’s a video game bro, calm yourself they made it exaggerated to clearly show that said monster IS a dragon queen, as the other comment said look at pure pandalf and tell me they don’t know how to make LGBT monsters lol you’re just complaining for the sake of complaining you don’t have to get offended at everything you can just live your life yk🤣🤣

I’m not usually one for name calling and Helen call me out if this is too rude but I genuinely do think you’re being a whiney baby about it, there are FAR more pressing issues regarding the game and this is what you choose to be upset about? What about the fact that they fund a YouTuber to lie about their monsters to get extra money from people who don’t know any better? Or how they constantly promote gambling to a young audience? How the game is getting worse and worse they’re making changes that aren’t user friendly and they seem to have no real intent on changing it? How about the sheer amount of monsters that release with debilitating bugs attached to them time and time again that sometimes simply don’t even get fixed? This is stuff that affects all of us and it is most definitely more important than whatever you’re complaining about here

[clear stump]

They have the full right to complain about whatever they want but I think they're attacking the monster design for the entirely wrong reason
Dragconian is a peak design, it's quite literally a male dragon in a wig and a dress and doesn't hide it. It also doesn't state or try to infer that the monster is transgender so I'm not exactly seeing where the transphobic stereotype comes in at all

[fleet wind]

It’s a mobile game, just leave that stuff out of it

[cedar crypt]

They do, I’m just saying they should direct that energy at stuff that actually matters because what they’re complaining about is the biggest non issue ever

[cedar crypt]

@fleet laurel put nebotus in the left spot if you want him to get charges or place Hounen in the left spot if you want Hounen to get charges

I would put nebotus on the left

[cedar crypt]

@amber hatch did they? I haven’t tested it in a while

I’d be shocked if they did

[wanton orbit]

Wut

There's an event that costs 889$?

[cobalt horizon]

I'm guessing King of Gems, not exactly an event and actually tiny compared to equivalent ones I've seen in other games.

[amber hatch]

They actually did 😂 tested it today

[cedar crypt]

NO WAY

FINALLY

That’s actually so hype

Took em long enough lol

[amber hatch]

Fr

Icl I thought they would never fix it

[cedar crypt]

Same bro I just tested it and you’re right I’m actually very happy about that

[cobalt horizon]

@wise prairie this is the channel for discussion on feedback posts. You need a role yo be able to post here (see #role-request )

[cedar crypt]

@karmic fable you’re right, they don’t care about us or the game anymore they only care about the money

It’s not a good feeling

The only people on the team that I feel have real passion for the game anymore is the character design team

[true elk]

It’s not a discussion channel and it’s feedback. Bounty Hunt isn’t broken.

[cedar crypt]

Yes it most definitely is, if you’re denying that then you’re out of touch

What I put in there was feedback not a discussion and I will contrite to regurgitate it until I get my point across

Stop defending their poor decisions it’s inherently wrong do you WANT everyone to drop out of the game? Because if it continues like this that’s what’s gonna happen

[wraith mountain]

Yeah, it was feedback, as we’re reminding devs about the situation, this era was nothing but misery for us

Really fits the theme too

[modest hinge]

I said that at start of era it will be really bad for us

[true elk]

That’s the description of the channel fyi.

For your information.

[wraith mountain]

I mean, it’s a chain reaction that can be seen clearly…

SP doesn’t fix the problem, players get mad, whales see their voices aren’t heard

And BH is this Thursday…

[wanton orbit]

It's broken as in it is much worse than it once was and it can no longer fill its old role in the game

It's stopped adding to the old player experience, and now adds only to their frustration

Or rather, it now adds much less than it once did

[cedar crypt]

Unfortunately they’ve shown consistent uninterest in fixing their game, if we don’t make it known that we want change nothing would ever happen aside from minor bug fixes

Defending their poor decisions that are destroying the game and community is laughable

[fleet wind]

Yes it is. If you think you are right, and the entire ML community is wrong, then there are bigger problems at play.

They quite literally buffed Fugitive because of hounens bug, fixed hounens bug, and never fixed fugitive. Yeah okay BH isn’t broken.

[fleet wind]

Insanely laughable, actually comical

[wanton orbit]

Disrespect gets nothing done

[atomic cedar]

Correct

[wanton orbit]

Might I ask for your logic behind the ?

@karmic fable (you can ping me in players chat, I read all my pings)

[cedar crypt]

Great, good thing no one was disrespectful

[wanton orbit]

Calling an opinion laughable?

Isn't disrespectful?

Saying that someone is funny because they "clearly don't play the game" isn't disrespectful?

[cedar crypt]

Not at all because she is objectively in the wrong

She’s defending the people destroying our game for no reason

If it was an opinion it would be subjective

This ain’t one of those cases

[wanton orbit]

A point that is true can still be disrespectful

And bh isn't broken in that everything works as intended

The feedback channels ask for specifics

"Fix bh" is not specific

"Decrease the fugitive's health to [number]" is much better, much more constructive

[cedar crypt]

They know exactly what we mean and you know it, people have been begging them for 2 months now, stop defending these people it’s not in any of our best interests to do so, I wasn’t in any way disrespectful lol there’s 0 real reason for them to be deleting our feedback from #general-feedback like that

Like you defending them is literally a net negative for you and everyone else in the community, no one was hostile or volatile so there’s no reason to be offended

Harsh at very most

[wanton orbit]

I'm not defending the devs actions. I am defending the mods who defend the rules laid out by the devs

I strongly dislike that any feedback has been deleted. However, just saying that "the devs don't care" gets nothing done

It just spreads negativity

[cedar crypt]

But they don’t🤦🏼‍♂️unfortunately in this typa situation where we’ve been BEGGING for months I have no compassion and understanding left in me for them, they proved that they aren’t worthy of it

This is one of those situations where sugarcoating it just extra ensures that nothing gets done like are you implying that the devs do in fact care? Because it really feels like some of them care about some aspects mainly the design team, aside from that they don’t care what happens to their game anymore as they’re ignoring their communities pleas for change

It’s proving a point, maybe they should show that they care instead of being completely radio silent on the topic and having their mods delete feedback that paints them in a negative light

[wanton orbit]

Saying that the devs don't care is factually correct, but it is highly unproductive. We all know it already and it's just more negativity

I strongly disagree with the dev's actions

I think they are squandering a great game's potential

[cedar crypt]

Yeah unfortunately when they’ve show constant unwillingness to change you can’t really use the kill them with kindness approach lol

They know exactly what we want to change about bounty hunt

Helen deleting my feedback is just absurd, this server is like a dictatorship atp

There’s absolutely no reason to whine about the wording when we all know full well that they are aware of exactly what we’re taking about it’s just so unnecessary

Yk what imma shut up now before I say something I regret saying

[wanton orbit]

This isn't trying to kill them with kindness, this is trying to keep reduntant messages outside of the channel. If they read the channel, they'll already know that we want them to fix bh. They'll already know that we think they don't care. Saying the same things with 1 line messages doesn't, in my mind, do anything in the end.

[cedar crypt]

I’d rather TRY than sit back and watch the game that I’ve been playing for a decade and sunk thousands of dollars into go up in flames🙄y’all complaining for no real reason, ask me to edit my message and elaborate further next time Helen instead of deleting it and complaining

There’s 0 reason not to make it more known, I don’t see enough people mentioning it anymore and I’d be willing to bet if it goes silent they’ll assume it’s blown over and take that as an opportunity to do it again

Their complacency bothers me so so much like why are they not even communicating with us

[wanton orbit]

Understandable. It's just that one liners bury the stuff that has more explanation

[wanton orbit]

Agreed

[wanton orbit]

Agreed part 2

[cedar crypt]

Such a non issue you just said it yourself, one liners… a one liner can’t bury anything lol like if they really do read it all like they say they do then it doesn’t affect us at all they’ll read it anyways as long as we get the point across that’s all that matters

[livid cave]

i'll chip in my two cents

I do think just spamming "sp doesn't listen" won't reeaally help. I think giving valid, well substantiated criticism and suggestions is a more productive use of time, even if it's retreading the same issues like bh. And, imho, if you aren't having a fun time in the game, then you don't need to play it. There are tons of other games out there, and a loss of revenue and engagement is a voice sp can't ignore. It sucks that the game is being squandered, but if that's the grave they want, I won't kick and scream for them to put the shovel down. They'll wake up sooner or later, I hope. Or not. Then again, take that as a huge grain of salt from a guy who's biggest investment in this game is my time, and who has already basically moved on, so idk.

[cedar crypt]

We all have fun playing the game that’s why we play it but they’re destroying it lol they’re ruining the legacy they’ve built right before our eyes

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone spam anything along the lines of “SP doesn’t listen”

[livid cave]

I personally haven't found the game fun in a while, which is why I've stopped playing often, but then again that might moreso be burnout from having only 4 events that cycle each month, and the fact I've done most of what there is to do already over the years. I do think the game has potential, I really like most of the designs and think the art team consistently does a great job. I just wish they'd shake it up and try new active events (cards is a more passive event, I'd say) and make a few important changes to existing things.

[wanton orbit]

Fair enough

[cedar crypt]

I don’t blame you at all as much as I love the game it does get very stale at times and has many glaring issues

[fleet wind]

Helen doesn’t just delete yours

Mine too, and I’m sure plentyyyyy more

Which just shows so much

[cedar crypt]

Yeah it’s really annoying tbh, absolutely no reason to have deleted my feedback just senselessly glazes and defends SP even when they’re in the wrong

I try to take a neutral standpoint, I give them props when they do something good and call them out when they do something bad yk

[cobalt horizon]

A reminder for all.
No feedback has been deleted and it has been explained when posts are removed. The channel rules are very clear, conforming to them is not for the benefit of any moderator.
You want you feedback heard; it is read, whether you believe that or not. Posting 1 liners is not helpful. Assuming 'everyone' knows what you are talking about is not helpful and remember you talk for yourself, not the whole community.
Everyone is welcome to post their own feedback. If you wish to discuss posts, the conversation is for this channel. Keep it respectful.

[fleet wind]

You guys don’t even delete all one liners

Or all messages in that channel that “break the rules”

Just the feedback mentioning anything towards fixing the game or calling you guys out for bogusly deleting feedback.

[cedar crypt]

Exactly, same with everything else in the server they cherry pick to their liking

[wraith mountain]

You forgot to add
-Stop making Avarita appear in room 3 more often
-let players with no gems fight avarita to continue

• REMOVE EFFECT LIMITER

[fleet wind]

Treasure cave is luck

And why would you let people progress through cave if you don’t have gems

That’s just unrealistic

[wraith mountain]

Needing gems is ok, but an unrealistic amount is needed and I KEEP GETTING CAUGHT ON 3

[wraith mountain]

You make 0 progress if u have low gems

[fleet wind]

Yeah I’ve had same thing happen to me one time went 400 gems in a row and got caught on 7 each time

[wraith mountain]

And that’s NOT OK

[fleet wind]

Then get gems? You have to play the game

[wraith mountain]

Gem sources are unfairly distributed

I myself have scummy tasks

[fleet wind]

Ehhh it’s really luck based man, on other days I’ve won almost every attempts it’s just luck

Yes I agree, with tasks it is different for everyone

[wraith mountain]

I win like once ever 2-3 weeks

[fleet wind]

And gems are very luck based

But to have cave let you progress without gems would ruin it

If they were to make gems and tickets easier to get, now that’s a suggestion that should be heard

Of course it won’t, it’s social point, but I think that would be the best way to go about it. Or make tickets not gambling based.

Aren’t they also available in teamshop?

[worn patio]

nah thats generals

wm are stupidly impossible to get rn

[fleet wind]

Oh

[worn patio]

harder rn than when they were actually meta relevant lol

[fleet wind]

Oh okay I see

Thank you

[worn patio]

all g

[tiny turret]

Rapunstina has the self buff before damage

[grave birch]

Alright I will begin this by saying I like ancestors. They add an interesting element to the game that can bring more strategy to the game based on the awakening condition. However, the problem with ancestors is two fold. The first is the fact that mythics are now obsolete. What’s the point of releasing them if A: their skills and traits no longer stand up to levels in the galactic era. Few if none get rank 5 traits anymore and if they do they’re not worth it (example being Orbis). Further down this is their lack of usability in other places. For a remedy make game modes that only mythics can do like the infinite gauntlet like the cosmic era and give all kinds of rewards like cells, gems, and high level runes.

The second problem with ancestors is that A: their awakening is tow easy for what it gives them. And B: stupid three ancestor comps. Some awakenings are fine like Jestin as you cannot by the end of his turn awaken him unless you have a mythic supporter which you are intended to have. However Hounen and Watson have awakening conditions that by their design are pitifully easy to achieve. Hounen with mask just chain once maybe twice than air buff and boom team triple damage. Watson with force field just goes hah walk of invulnerability. Other awakenings are pretty balanced like Voreth needing minimum one turn but most often two. Nebotus taking several (barring spam) and mater and dame needing to apply quite a few debuffs.
B: stupid three ancestor teams. What’s the point of having a synergy team if you will just end up using other ancestors. At this point ancestors are designed to go well with others ancestors and to revive them if another breaks them (case in point being Watson with Nebo). We need to have more strategy than just spam three most recent and win. With only one ancestor teams need to be carful, as one could go Voreth tank or Watson shield or adaled absorb, or floriegn control. There are a lot of options that would benefit from one or even two

Ancestors being allowed.

And surprise point C: skills traits AND awakening. I will be blunt I have no problem with Hounens trait and skills if he did not have an absurd awakening. Same with floriegn. This two by design are ment to buff/clear the field then win. That is not strategy that’s poor planning. As a result of ways to remove them you have had to introduce Crit to the game. Something that needn’t exist at all. Plus what happened to each revolutionary will introduce one new effect? The past two have given out two and FOUR respectively. All in all balance needs to happen fast.

[wraith mountain]

Yeah… but that’s like a few eras ago….

[worn patio]

yeah lol they have the time and energy to lecture us on “inappropriate emoji reactions” on their messages but no time to address any of the feedback

[wraith mountain]

To be even more accurate, the previous hunt only averaged 2B, and a few hunts ago where were one shots, meaning the damage dropped by as much as 90%

[leaden gate]

@cedar crypt If I stop spending sp are so cooked

(F2p joke)

[fresh ore]

do not put special element in war😭

[leaden gate]

@buoyant sail special would be only a few of choices so not good for restrictions, sindycate is a faction and we don't want faction, but there's somes booms missing like you said (zoomorph, families...)

[atomic cedar]

Well he's not wrong tho, it's just that the wording is harsh tbh.

[clear stump]

A moderator doesn't have control over game direction.

[modest hinge]

I agree

It's not good to be mad at mods. They can just communicate with Devs which I am sure they are trying but it is upto Devs to do changes so people should stop being aggressive to mods. Mods here are very good and definitely one of the best in most of communities I have seen

[atomic cedar]

I just said that his wording is harsh , which it is . But can you really say that his statement is incorrect?

Also I don't think he knows mods cannot control the game or smth

[clear stump]

To imply that Tim as a Moderator is responsible for the current game environment, or for the lack of player requested changes, is wholly wrong. Moderators don't steer game direction, and the players don't need them to prove that they are passing on feedback. The Moderators and the Devs are separate roles for a reason, and even then individual Devs have different roles within Socialpoint.

[true elk]

Murky solved. Couldn’t see all the channels. Just needed to tick to see all channels on this server.

[wraith mountain]

I mean there’s Cthulhu but not many would consider lmao

[atomic cedar]

The point is he is right about the state of the game but not the person it's directed to

[clear stump]

The sentiment about player-requested changes not being implemented is something I agree with yes, but everything outside of that is totally off the mark

[fresh ore]

they might've made the only possible move worse than just keeping the perk

literally pulled a bait and switch💀 💀

[clear stump]

https://tenor.com/view/risitas-yes-giggle-gif-13898844

Lowkey cannot believe this was a decision they made

@rotund anvil you need to send a picture of your account's My Profile screen to #role-request in order to be given a role.

Without that you won't get a role.

[uneven scarab]

It might've been a mistake but at this point i severely doubt it

[clear stump]

Victor's feedback hits the nail on the head imo, I'm surprised they went hours without clarifying anything