ideas-feedback-discussion

[mighty tundra]

general-feedback is for ideas for SP to see and apply into the game (or ignore, which most likely is what happens)

[wicked apex]

some staff member keeps deleting this, stop.

[mighty tundra]

I've also been having that issue too

[lean kelp]

Its a banned idea

That's why it's getting deleted

[wicked apex]

Why the hell is it banned lmao

[clear stump]

Its "banned" because its overly suggested - the reason you don't see it often in that channel is because duplicated ideas get deleted, as stated in the pins in #submit-ideas , there is more info available there.
Good reminder that i should go back through and add more to that list, thank you

@wicked apex so you're aware

[livid cave]

Sigh

Imagine having certain things that are so overly requested just about the entire community would unite in praise if it got added and then proceeding to not add a single one of those things over the course of several years and instead banning requests for it because it's so common 💔 🥀

[clear stump]

You can always message the same to Support :)

And messages like this I fear you're wasting your own time

A message saying "listen to us" will not make them listen to you more than they already are (or aren't)

[livid cave]

Anyway here are my thoughts on the common requests

Teal means easily feasible and well liked
Blue means well liked but I can understand why it might be a challenge to implement
Yellow i can see the argument against it (for the rune slots one, unlocking is a teal, swapping for gold is what gets the yellow because ive heard it can be toxic for team wars

Names is gonna be hell on the servers

And I feel like trading probably has implications i havent even thought about. Like theoretically one golden legends pass player can craft like 15 of the same monster and give it to all their friends, which i understand from a monetization standpoint is terrible)

[clear stump]

I'll give my thoughts on this later but I feel like the pvp eggs one is probably slightly outdated now, it's rooted in the Cosmic PVP iteration where you could have T1 to T6 pvp chests but when you're just getting the same egg over and over again in the current iteration based on league, there's no point being able to discard something for another of the same

[livid cave]

Yeah I can see that one

I suppose the main use would be for players who go up a league and may want to discard their lower league chests

[clear stump]

The changing names one I have no idea about the servers, as lots of other platforms offer paid name changes, I'd be more concerned about tracking who's who ie past aliases, people who change names to harass others and the like given there's no visible user ID number like discord

[livid cave]

Yeah the name change idea feels like a can of worms. Maybe if it were for gems (to slow it down) and they saved all your past names it would work.

I'm almost certain each player has an internal ID in their servers

[clear stump]

They do, just go to your ingame settings and you'll see your invididualised account ID

[honest oriole]

I think rune slots should all initially be unlocked but removing runes should still be gems

[loud raptor]

Honestly I am fine with high level runes costing gems to remove but atleast make a few more levels for gold. Why limit us to only l3 runes can't it go just a little higher to like 5 or maybe even 7 at most so you equip somewhat decent runes on mons you will only use for stuff like era saga and caverns of ascencion without having to put actual gems in it

Also the price on unlocking slots is just kinda redicules so I wouldn't mind if that got a bit cheaper

[red magnet]

Wow... I didn't know April Fools came by this fast!

[honest oriole]

? Removing level 14 runes should cost something. The rune removal price should go down but should still be there imo

[cedar crypt]

That’s what I do although when I bring up bugs they typically don’t care and never fix them

Feels like they don’t even read the messages sometimes

[strange pond]

About your feedback, aren’t the war restrictions randomized? I don’t think sp individually controls what restrictions the legendary wars get

[cedar crypt]

Whoever disagrees is just being silly I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again being able to remove runes like relics is a dumb idea everyone will just swap their best runes on to whatever monster for wars I just hate the idea so much should we lower the gem cost of removing runes? Absolutely but really don’t think they should be able to be freely swapped like relics it just feels incredibly stupid all anyone will ever need is 6 sets of level 14 runes and boom they’re all top level players

[cedar crypt]

Idek man I’m just fed up with seeing Hounen every single war

It’s so boring and frustrating

It’s taking out the fun and immersion from the best part about this game

[strange pond]

Yeah that’s fair

Hounen has the issue where him existing alone changes the whole priority of that fight

[cedar crypt]

Literally

I hate it

Hounen is cool and super fun to use but he’s just too OP like I genuinely still don’t know how they added him into the game

We’ve had tons of OP monsters in the past but you’d think they woulda learned from their mistakes of releasing an overly cracked out monster that every single battle completely revolves around

[livid cave]

Hounen is basically baba pre nerf except even stronger

To the point any defensive monsters are irrelevant

Cough cough torog 💔

[cedar crypt]

So glad I wasn’t around for the basheer meta that was during my break from the game it just sounded like a mess

[strange pond]

I don’t think they consider op monsters a mistake 💔

[cedar crypt]

I wish we could have more variety of OP monsters rather than one just always taking centre stage

[livid cave]

It was all because of a bug where relics made his charges keep counting and then he'd like instantly awaken and then nuke the enemy team 💔

[strange pond]

Agreed man

The sc nerf also killed a lot of mt options, i feel they should have nerfer sc only partially

Like the really brutal effects need your turn to activate

But the tamer stuff starts as a default

[livid cave]

I feel so bad for torog

Sp gave him a gimmick Wario (adaled) just does better, and in a meta where td got revived, and the two teams are torture spam and hounen who also just doesn't care about megataunt

Sigh pierce meta my hated

[honest oriole]

That's exactly what I meant. but @karmic fable and @red magnet seem to heavily disagree

[cedar crypt]

Still love torog and they’re both very comparable but yeah Adaled definitely outpaces him which I’m fine with it means people who already have Adaled can skip an ancestor if they want to

[cedar crypt]

Yeah I totally get what you’re saying I’ve been saying that too man some people just don’t understand

[red magnet]

Nothing about what I said gave away what side I'm on. I don't have an opinion on it I thought your idea was funny, therefore scenario joke.

[honest oriole]

how is that funny

[short siren]

A new op monster is just another way for sp to get money

[karmic fable]

I JUST WANT THE COST OF REMOVING MY RUNES TO BE LESS THAN BLOWING A HOLE THROUGH MY GEM ACCOUNT

[visual ledge]

they see money, not mistakes💔💔🥀

[honest oriole]

That's excactly what I suggested. Lower rune removal costs.

[strange pond]

Precisely

[strange pond]

Facts

[mighty tundra]

Ever since Santerion got added its went from Peak to Un-peak

[mighty tundra]

its MONSTER legends, not HUMANOID legends. Yes, while having a monster thats a human is nice, it doesnt make sense for 1/4 of the GAME TO BE HUMANS. IN A GAME THATS CENTERED TOWARDS MYTHICAL CREATURES LIKE DRAGONS AND LIVING MOUNTAINS (Ouros)

[strange pond]

Your rage is directed at the wrong person

[mighty tundra]

Then who

[strange pond]

At the devs bro

Tim is a mod

[tiny turret]

Wrong rage 🤣

[strange pond]

Mods don't decide what goes in the game

[mighty tundra]

Yes but

He asked to

Clarify

[tiny turret]

Just tag one and see what’s gonna happen 😎

[strange pond]

Yeah, cause one line feedbacks ain't gonna help, sadly. I agree with your sentiment 100% we need less humanoid monsters.

Also if you read two lines below

Tim's message was for all not just you

[tiny turret]

So basically

If she meant 2 lines

I say his phrase to

no
more
humanoid 
monsters

something like that?

[strange pond]

It's not about the number of lines, if you have a suggestion just explain it properly. Passive aggressive sentences are close to useless

[true elk]

Hi, I wanted all to read the channel description.

Social Point want a person’s view, great. They want what you’d like to see, but then reasons behind why you would like your feedback to happen.

I’ve given feedback to the company and some filters have been added to the game in areas and it makes the game easier to play.

[somber edge]

with the pfp hahahaha

[strange pond]

The pfp makes it more authentic

[mighty tundra]

very authentic

[red magnet]

Guys. Tim's only job is to 'moderate' the server and complete thorough server cleanses of any bad behaviour. He doesn't have the power to make the game changes happen. He's just a police officer in a sense.

All we can continue to hope for is a developer's response.

[true elk]

Nah, not a Cop.

I’m a player.

[cobalt summit]

he?

[red magnet]

Correct. That's what I was referring to just describing "mod" has a "Cop" sensus to it.

[red magnet]

Huh?

[clear stump]

Those who know

[red magnet]

(Mr Incredible shade meme)

[cobalt summit]

i really don’t like this since there are already limited books so if they get even more specific, so middle game players might not even have a single mythic

they could add it to elements then more people would have them but for some books like adventurers def not

[haughty night]

Ik this Is not getting added but It could be only for teams on high rank

[cobalt summit]

there’s only one abysal era monster in the villains book 😭🥀

[haughty night]

Its an example, I'm not a programmer but I'm sure there must be a way to prevent that from happening by just not using villian book in that era.

[mighty tundra]

ALL AGAINST AVARITA!!!

[wraith mountain]

Make sure that guy’s at 1 speed stat

[clear stump]

The wiki says he is breedable by using Firekong and Thorder, have you tried that combo? It I'd fandomwiki so could be outdated, could still be working https://monsterlegends.fandom.com/wiki/Tempest
@red magnet

[strange pond]

He’s still breedable that way, you can see it from his monstergram thingy

[red magnet]

I actually did not know he was breedable. I appreciate you two!

[modest hinge]

The current way of obtaining R5 Ancestors even though it is gambling is still good. As f2p you can cope up with new Ancestors easily because of bh, tasks and many more things. So i don't want them to make it harder and make it more p2w. If they try to implement something more like event and remove or make it harder in cave then it's gonna ruin a lot of stuff. I know if you don't like gambling it's not a way out but we know sp and whoever does tasks and bh both he will be loaded with gems and games give you progression on basis of activity.

[karmic fable]

the idea speaks for it self 🤡

[modest hinge]

People need to agree that ancestors are more f2p friendly than mythic or legendary meta. You can easily get your hands on it

[karmic fable]

who cares on what they agree on

[modest hinge]

People just complain on Ancestors

[karmic fable]

plus i don't bother checking suggestions because most of them are 90% beginners who don't know anything

[strange pond]

He does have a point though, obtaining ancestors being behind two sets of rng means it's very easy to get walled by bad luck. The fact that it's possible to spend 100s of gems and not be guaranteed an ancestor is unfortunate.

At the least they should add some pity system to the conjuring or add a consistent way to get tickets (Even 400 a week).

[karmic fable]

and most of them are begging to remove the beta

[modest hinge]

Bad luck is the thing yeah but there is good luck on other side too. Like maxing an ancestor with like 600-700 gems. Consistent way of getting tickets is good but I am sure they will not buff progression for us. They will definitely take away something in return which will hurt people who grind more, people who play casually will get benefit yeah but a game works on both hardcore players and casual players.

[strange pond]

In theory yeah the bad and good luck should average out in the long term but with a meta where the new monster of the month is almost always required, a bad luck streak can be brutal.

For your second point, yeah sp probably won't buff progression but that doesn't mean we should stop demanding it.

[wraith mountain]

As someone with an insane bad luck streak, it basically halts your progression

[modest hinge]

I want sp to buff progression myself that's why I suggested in feedback to keep stamina all week + all stamina ad on second last day

[cedar crypt]

Already sent my one message for the next 6 hours in general feedback so I’ll have to send this here I feel it’s kinda dumb that people can send YouTube shorts in #ml-youtube it ends up spamming the channel and clogging it up with videos that are like 20 seconds long I feel it should just be actual YouTube videos allowed in there and there should be a separate channel for shorts and TikTok’s

[rich ingot]

i don't think people know that channel exists anyway

beside, ml content on yt or any other platforms is already lackluster as the game itself

[cedar crypt]

I try🫩not many people still making content about the game

You right tho not many people check the channel as far as I’m aware

[rich ingot]

we just aren't ready to comprehend peak yet

[mighty tundra]

any and all things relating to this game is not peak

[rich ingot]

clearly you haven't seen tu tran

[steep falcon]

Og

[cedar crypt]

In all honesty tu tran’s content was kinda boring like he was an OG but wasn’t he just leveling a monster up with some geometry dash music in the background😭I don’t remember there being any commentary

Armour gaming was the goat

Hoping I can eventually be the next armour but I doubt it I may as well try tho cause I’ve been having tons of fun making YouTube videos

[rich ingot]

W for doing what makes you happy and my previous statement is satire in case you didn’t notice

[cedar crypt]

I think after next era we’ll see a big shift

They’re almost out of factions for new ancestors so they’re bound to do something interesting

[clear stump]

I think Dan missed the point of moving the main content release day lol

[red magnet]

I second this because I'm a 10+ year old player as well

[somber edge]

Free reigns has a new ancestor Adbul Tinkermaster who crowned enkidu, lets goo

[mighty tundra]

@gritty atlas

so theres this thing called “beta cave” and “monster cave”

SP has been doing it for months now

beta cave is really really bad and you just dont want it but SP forces it because “testing”

fortunately they have reverted it for only SOME players but its not much time before they remove the beta entirely

have fun with the cave

[normal prawn]

#1337348916743508039

[wanton orbit]

What about if you were to get 2k cells of an ancestor, you gain the option to craft the egg for 100 cells? That way you aren't forced to keep getting more and more cells hoping that you'll finally get an egg and you won't have to waste resources beyond what is necessary to r5 the ancestor

[normal prawn]

Contact in-game support. There you have bill issues section to report that

[cedar crypt]

Brother they’re just available in the legend pass section where you get everything else if you’ve picked up your monster, umbryl, rune, etc literally everything from the pass the ancestral tokens are in there with all of that

[clear stump]

My least favourite thing about the new shop is that the "New" offers are gone which hadn't been updated since 2016

Mons like Obsidiane being forgotten is so sad

[mighty tundra]

@opal jolt you can just hold it

[tiny turret]

Autoclicker works

Just set the miliseconds to 1

I don’t have the new shop 🥰 😛

Doesn’t work, Takes too slow 🤮🤮

[clear stump]

It's also against tos

[tiny turret]

But I use it perfectly. Just for singular targets only, Like the buying Level 1 runes and I never got a warning

[leaden gate]

That's still not allowed

[tiny turret]

Y’all are telling me this now? 😭

I should just delete the app then.. ( The Autoclicker )

[wraith mountain]

@mighty tundra really a bad idea bc some toxic ppl would spam report so this’ll just fuel their toxic ego by blackmailing the players to do what they want

[cedar crypt]

Bro what

Just off the rip that’s false btw game has always been pay to win literally since the dawn of time bro the climate for F2P players is great rn almost all of the best monsters in the game are available for free

“New meta monsters being locked behind expensive passes of bundles” brother the meta revolves around monsters that are all available F2P I’m honestly kinda sick of people acting like they’re not

[clear stump]

@spice breach how do i tell you this

[cedar crypt]

You can hold down the button

Then people would just do the old ancestors caverns of ascension every day to get cells for the new ancestors they would never do that cause at that point why did they even get rid of the caverns of ascension for newer ancestors in the first place

[tiny turret]

Skil issue ✌️😂

[tiny turret]

This is so AI generated 🤣

[wanton orbit]

@twin carbon wrong channel

[modest hinge]

First of all his two statements don't make sense together. Ancestors are best and obtainable f2p ( easily maxed out ). Then he wants Ancestors to be removed like what. Also Ancestor meta is way better for f2p than mythic, legendary meta back then.

And @twin carbon it's not very hard to keep up with Ancestor meta. You can max two Ancestor every month pure from game. So it's literally more than keeping up with meta ( cause every month we get one new Ancestor). Secondly I want to say that maxing out mythics is way harder than Ancestors ( so removing them just doesn't make sense for f2ps). Also race isn't very popular because of non meta monsters mostly like they haven't released meta monsters in race which is pretty bad but at end of day you can just do 10 laps and prepare whole month for bh and how to make your bh team even better.

[broken hollow]

This game is just irritating me. the only reliable way to get gems is through surveys, so go waste a bunch of time on surveys, just so you can go spend a ton of gems on the treasure cave to get tickets with no REAL GUARANTEE. I'm level 140 with over 100k mp and around 650 monsters collected, but NOT A SINGLE ANCESTOR. I have probably around 200-300 mythicals but not one ancestor. It's insane. Back during cosmic era you could actually get brand new mythics from the f2p legends pass and multiplayer, but now all you get are monsters 2 eras old from the legends pass, and you have to grind for frickin ever on multiplayer just to get the C tier modern mythic. Then for BH, they decided they would basically remove the good monsters for anyone who cant get 7500 bh coins. every other monster is 2500 at the most for 100 cells. Like bro i just want to play the game and get good monsters. Then there's also the fact socialpoint screwed up SC traits. Turned great monsters like voltaik redeemed (who was almost guaranteed to get an attack because he got evasion) to being absolute buns because he gets evasion on his turn, and he's an et so you're obviously not gonna use one attack. and yall did SC megataunt monsters dirty

[modest hinge]

Bro. The only reliable source is surveys is because you made it so. I haven't done any surveys or tasks and totally f2p and I have 4 Ancestors maxed in 3 months and can max two more Ancestors with gems i already have. And every bh i farm 1k gems easily so I am literally keeping up with meta just from bh. Also 7500 is literally easy like you need a good team for bh. It takes me literally 4-5 hours to farm that much coins. You need to play this game smartly and f2p and not concentrate on complaining. I am definitely not as experienced as you as well ( like I said my account is literally like 3 months old ). I played a little bit in metro era but never knew how to play properly but since I came back, I got good guidance and could progress a lot and efficiently. Also the 4 Ancestors i maxed out are meta Ancestors so I can do good in meta. I don't have good runes cause I never focused on getting 14s mostly. I got some decent relics ( all in 3 months). So idk why complaining how f2ps can't do anything bro

[broken hollow]

yeah but you have good monsters to grind bh with. I love ET attackers and the bh monsters have anticipation so i cant even use it. And then the eras change every five minutes so i finally grind for a decent regular attacker and then its old af

there's literally ppl doing almost a billion damage in 1 hit and i cant even do a mil. its bs

[cobalt summit]

there are a lot of good monsters that have come out of the bounty hunt, most mons are usable in war and some like charm and red eye are goated

[clear stump]

@worn fog you can still hold to buy runes :)

[cobalt horizon]

But you can't see rune numbers on that screen.

[worn fog]

I will ss and show you

[cobalt horizon]

You can hold down on main screen, no numbers visible. But individual rune screen it doesn't work. Exactly as mamma bear said.

[worn fog]

If you click on you can see but can only niy one at a time

It kick you out after each buy

As you can tell I was on phone so got more than I wanted coz I did not know how many I had done lol.

[clear stump]

yeah that's the not very nice bit tbh

[true elk]

@tiny turret I can’t dm you.

[cedar crypt]

Literally😂

[somber edge]

but this pushes the responsibility of security from Facebook, a well known and reputable tech giant, to socialpoint, a much smaller company (at least originally it was)

it's also just a waste of dev resources when Facebook login is possible

And then I'm pretty sure they purposefully want to prevent people from switching between accounts, because of account sharing and yada yada

[cedar crypt]

That’s not how legendaries were lol go into the monstagram it’s definitely not as vast of a difference so I don’t blame you for not noticing but there are fairly large stat gaps between them like sometimes an extra 25-30% life

[cobalt summit]

yeah this is bad especially for f2ps because bh is one of the most reliable ways to get ranked mythics and charm is like one of the best mythics 😭

[tiny turret]

I just saw this — I closed my DMs because I’ve been getting phishing scams lately and recruits when I tell them I’m already on a team. Also, I turned off my Friend Requests. I can’t receive a message if I’m not friends with the user or account holder.

[true elk]

Well, I’ve messaged you before.

[normal prawn]

@south nest Try get any mythic or ancestor monster

[rich ingot]

how high were they when they set up those absurd prices??!

[normal prawn]

@thin nymph send it to #1337348916743508039 or contact in game support

[normal prawn]

Maybe your team isn't in champions league

[wanton orbit]

I'm not at all a fan of anthropomorphic monsters, but at least they wouldn't be human

[lone yew]

ML
Please for the love of evoris il obscura
Put a buy all button here that buys as many of that one type as you can afford

PLEASE

[modest hinge]

How would this even work to people who just overkill the fugitive. Like do 50-80B damage?

Also I haven't done one shots in 3 bh i participated, i farmed 1200 gems in first two regardless and I am like 700 gems farmed this time too at the moment. My point here is I am rewarded for my activity so I will continue doing that. Those who can't kill still can do finds and bags which is also decent amount of gems. Percentage based rewards ( especially gems) will make it so people don't be as much active as now which i really don't like. Now people are active and try to be smart to confirm kills. Also there are a lot of lobbies where people can't kill so farm gems from those lobbies and get coins from faster lobbies

Also to add onto this, I don't want sp to ruin this event or bring many major changes to it.

[true elk]

Not on Tuesday for those that get Stamina or BH Coins.

[cedar crypt]

Brother the game has always been P2W I have to say this like mutiple times a week the game is better for F2P players than basically ever before most of the best meta monsters are all available for free you have all the tools to be successful in this game 100% for free if you want to pay that is absolutely a choice and nothing more the people who pay will always be ahead but the game has ALWAYS been that way y’all are acting like this is some new found thing that a mobile game is pay to win😐it’s gotten better in that regard not worse I’m tired of people pretending that it has🤦🏼‍♂️

Look at the zoomorph book lol there’s already an absurd amount of them

[inland umbra]

Give nebotus' awakaned form a armor at torso or smth. The guy should have been made of evil energy. Not slime or plastic, as he looks with that lame ahh torso

[strange pond]

Maybe his awakened form will

[inland umbra]

ive seen his awakened form... thats the mid design im talking about. some dude just said hey lets make his torso slime for some reason and add a very original and unique eye on his chest and they said sure. i can dm u what it looks like

[strange pond]

Hol on i only saw one pic

Lemme go and check

[inland umbra]

i dmd u

[inland umbra]

The name of ancestor nebotus must change btw

[mighty tundra]

@ripe pollen your opinion is unoriginal

and nor is it good

How is it bad?

Why is it bad?

How can SP make it better?

Yes i can see why some of you hate the new design but general feedback is FEEDBACK, not general opinions

[ripe pollen]

ok😂

[mighty tundra]

vro…

@strange pond help me

[ripe pollen]

looks childish why are so many eyes on his body😭😭

[mighty tundra]

opinion. Personally i think it’s great, a very good point back to his older versions, as they too have a good amount of eyes

@opal jolt dude say that in here not there

she said it for a reason anyway

[opal jolt]

I don’t think they said it for a better reason than I did

[delicate hamlet]

Treezard?

[opal jolt]

no one wants a treezard ancestor 😭😭😭😭✌️✌️✌️✌️

[fresh roost]

Firesaur

[strange pond]

What am I supposed to do

[cedar crypt]

Bro downvotes every single thing he sees in general feedback💔😭

[mighty tundra]

that is the most bland feedback i have ever seen in my life

[modest hinge]

They are people who never grind a mobile game. I feel sorry for those who just spread hate on game without knowing it's full potential. I can max 7 Ancestors in like 3 months. If i would have tasks and surveys to support definitely even better. But this just you can grind it out and be able to keep up with meta easily

[wraith mountain]

I max one ancestor every 3 months

Bc of Avarita being a piece of garbage and I have no ways to earn large amounts of gems

[cedar crypt]

He has a shield because the final relic they need for the tier 7 chests is a shield

What they SHOULD have done is give torog a shield so fiery forces shield and then they could give nebotus an armour slot and give him his own armour or even give him a banner and just rename the league of hunters banner souls lair banner they really should’ve thought about it better because now they just stuck like the coolest ancestor in the game with the dumbest relic slots that make literally no sense at all

[old hamlet]

Please pity reward for ancestor conjuring, 100$ and nothing, or at least craft at 1000 cells. I’ve been very upset today.

[clear stump]

@red magnet , Lord Nebotus already exists

https://monsterlegends.fandom.com/wiki/Lord_Nebotus

[red magnet]

Oofta

Honestly didn't reminisce because he's somewhat forgettable

[clear stump]

Crazy statement to make

[lean kelp]

We're losing the ancient texts

[red magnet]

I don't have his mythic version yet and he only shows up in a few dungeon events so its hard to remember, especially if he's not exactly a highly desired monster

[clear stump]

If you're a player who started a decent time after then sure, but outside of that I strongly disagree. The lore and overall offers centered on him for a while, with era saga lead-ups, the overall game focused on him for a while. So to say he's forgettable is not right imo

Between 2020 and 2022ish the story was central to the game. If you weren't there, you wouldn't have seen the lead-up

[rich ingot]

he missed peak ml fiction

[red magnet]

I was on a hiatus during that portion of the game so I'm not familiarized with that era development.

[red magnet]

You are billions of lightyears away from the truth

[modest hinge]

There is a event called bh where every f2p with activity can farm thousands of gems. ( Using a good bh team) Which is very possible to obtain in like a month. I have been playing this game for 3-4 months and got 6 Ancestors maxed out as F2p without any tasks and surveys too . So it's very possible to be good In this game as f2p. Secondly all games have this thing that if you spend money you get better obviously ( that's how most games work bro ). About tasks and surveys ( they don't work in my region too ) but tasks are not something to depend on forever. Eventually people run out of tasks and they quit . Best way is just to do good in bounty hunt. Also I am not a person who grinds 100% in this game . If someone grinds 100% , he will do better than me obviously.

[modest hinge]

@hasty flint

[fresh roost]

I'm also pretty sure SP dont control tasks

[wanton orbit]

Aren't tasks and surveys both a tapjoy problem

[true elk]

Yes.

[strange pond]

@cedar crypt adding on to your point i think having more ways to deal with the special element would be nice too (I don’t wanna use mek hanor)

[red magnet]

I wasn't aware of it at first because I don't own his mythic version, yet its extremely forgettable since I was on hiatus during that era period.

[wraith mountain]

back then, he was a walking disaster

He would dish out tons of damage and you'd have ZERO IDEA what the opponent is running

Like: Was it a Corruption one? A Death countdown one? A Blind one? Or a spam one? You'd have NO IDEA what he would do, an R5 was the worst bc u cant do anything even if u move turn 1

[tiny turret]

Just swap their slots

Make the big monster at the 3rd slot placed, small ones in 1 and 2

[strange pond]

You shouldn’t have to swap slots around to see basic info

This is a fault of the ui

[mighty tundra]

no you cant

[clear stump]

@left raft , if you enable 20+ Gem Purchase Confirmation toggle in the in-game Settings you can avoid this in future.

[modest hinge]

@void wigeon , why would they make it accessible with gems first, if it's a broken even f2ps can get their hands on it ( which will make them less profitable). Also at start of next era those should be in tier 7 and hopefully with decent luck, we should get good ones

[void wigeon]

Im saying like 1500 gems for them

Ok so you guys like them making op ahh relics for 60 bucks and maybe maybe after weeks and weeks later you’ll get 1-2 chances at getting it

🔥👏👏

Mlo is so braindead

Keep complaining about unimportant ahh stuff like designs or names and make the game more p2w

Every relic should cost 100 bucks atp we aren’t far away !

[sick garnet]

Ml love their beta tests

[signal dragon]

Finally a good one

[leaden gate]

But why beta

[ripe pollen]

when i will get this😭

[modest hinge]

Bad stuff beta , good stuff beta

[wraith mountain]

An irreversible change, only thing they can do is update books in future eras, where the books reward 12-13s instead of 9-10s

[clear stump]

Better suited for the feedback channel imo.

[cobalt horizon]

@cedar crypt bugs channel would be more appropriate. But it has already been reported.

[cedar crypt]

Brother the whole point of pierce is that it goes through everything🤦🏼‍♂️

[cedar crypt]

Oh okay cool yeah I wasn’t sure if it was a bug or not

At this point I wouldn’t have been all that surprised if they took them away

[winter sable]

The "Are you there?" that pops up ever 3 minutes, just remove it bruh, I swear I was gonna break my phone from how much I gotten it today

[strange pond]

Ive been complaining since mek hanors hunt

Pretty sure some others were complaining even before that

Don’t know why they haven’t fixed this by now

[ripe pollen]

its frustrating fs😭

[winter sable]

Fr

[ripe pollen]

manual bh🥲

[ripe pollen]

no ai

[modest hinge]

First of all it is our wish to skip or not. Secondly third skip is usually very good if room 25,35 and so on have guarantee tickets or you are very close to 200 gems chest which is profit and 4th skip is generally good for floor 45 since it has level 12 which have potential to be level 14 with very less gems. So i think both of these skips are pretty reasonable , yeah after that it is too costly for anything but like i said it totally depends on you. You are not forced to skip. Generally on good runs you should go 3 skips. Also gems are not that hard to acquire if you play this game smartly. I have maxed 6 Ancestors in 4 months ( not counting this bh ) as f2p without any tasks and barely any surveys. Also you need to work for overall betterment of your account

[modest hinge]

@viral mulch also the game is at much better place for f2ps since Ancestors. Ancestors are very f2p friendly compared to mythics and legendaries

[strange pond]

@amber hatch Why the switch around? Am curious

[lean kelp]

Love that Fugi Killer gets censored if you abbreviate it 😭

Have to wait 6 hours for apparently cursing

[livid cave]

💔

[true elk]

Could you rethink the wording?

Need to know what feedback you wish to pass on.

@ember depot

[amber hatch]

I don't like having to be "on" all the time so I dont miss a kill/find. With the bots you can time it and go do other stuff

[ripe pollen]

mostly for me i got notification for fg in area, i open game, game is loading and i got another notification fg is found, game is still loading prob 92% or 98% then got another notification fg killed🙌

then why should i take bh seriously or even open game after that

[strange pond]

Yeah that’s fair

Im starting to like these changes but ill wait the whole week before i make my final decree

[clear stump]

I love seeing repeat ideas, or a "15% more powerful" in old money

[lean kelp]

@tiny turret
Ancestors are Architects
Revolutionaries are Architects

Architects are the name of the rarity, kinda like Mythics
While Ancestors and Revolutionaries are generations of Architects, like Corrupted and Galactic generations of Mythics

[clear stump]

@broken hollow there's already a monster who does this

[broken hollow]

who?

[clear stump]

Tayni

[broken hollow]

dang wait you right

still though tayni is unusable in this era

[cobalt horizon]

@pallid seal there are ticket icons next to the floor number to incidate if they are any there

[strange pond]

I think their complaint was that tickets aren’t guaranteed to be on those floors not the lack of indication

[cobalt horizon]

There posts seems to indicate they didn't know there weren't any.

And not everyone knows about the icons, having helped someone else recently regarding same.

[strange pond]

That’s fair

[pallid seal]

I know, i know that we have the indicators
That's not the issue, and sorry if my message was not clear, let me try to reformulate:

Me, as a common player, think that in the treasure caves, on the special rooms at floors 15-25 (old mythical monster caves) and above (ancestor caves), the tickets must be a garanteed option on the pool of prizes.
The common and F2P player's only way of getting ancestor/architect eggs and cells it's by tickets if not the 400 tickets with ancient tokens in events.

We don't get tickets by any means if not the treasure caves, a pit of RNG that in most part will make 25% seem like a sure shot by how many times Avarita stop us on floor 3 and before we reach any floor that may contain tickets.

And after a run that at least 10 tickets (5 to enter and 5 by being stoped by Avarita and taking other chance) we may have the chance of the tickets may not exist?

Mr.Mama, the problem it's not that i don't know If there is tickets on the treasure rooms, it's the fact that after we pass the odds, we are not garanteed to have the 25% chance of getting the tickets on the first pull of the room, it's the replacement of TICKETS for CELLS while we fight 25% chance of lose after the 2nd floor.

I hope it was more clear

[cobalt horizon]

Please put in your feedback.

[modest hinge]

I would like to address something. First of all when Ancestors were newly released they were just so bad. Too expensive and then after like 5-6 they got changed. It is much better now. I don't want sp to ruin stuff. 1k gems average to max an ancestor is pretty good and easy. I am progressing very well in game. Got 6 Ancestors maxed in 4 months without tasks and surveys. And i have like 3k gems now as well. Making the average go too low will cause other issues such has people who get lucky will max Ancestor in like 400-500 gems. The cost of max an ancestor is thus reasonable ( as the faster to max stuff , the less experience you get). For the cave yeah the tickets not guaranteed is a problem but for every 100 gems we definitely get a good run in my assumption. It sucks when there are no tickets almost but you can quit if there are no tickets or even screenrecord or something to check if cave already has tickets or not ( hope it helps you).

[pallid seal]

did, thanks for read

[clear stump]

@spice breach you should explain what a book of cards clash of clans is for those who don't know

[formal glen]

I think he's just saying to have a token to instantly bring a monster up one rank

Which imo is way too op

If it is added should only be available for mythics

Ancestors are already not that hard to rank up

[ember depot]

@tiny turret You are based.

[modest hinge]

Bounty hunt is a extremely good way to farm gems and you can very easily max a lot of Ancestors with it. I maxed like 7-8 in 4 months and still got 2k gems. Most of the credit goes to bounty hunt

[modest hinge]

@violet sigil

[formal glen]

in no way is this gonna make the dungeons more fun to do, all its gna do is make farming gems even easier when its already easy since you can get 204 gems per month from only daily tasks and gem dungeons

[ember depot]

@hardy arch clarify why in more than 2 sentences.

[ember depot]

@white harbor You missed my point. I wasn’t criticizing the 100 gems spin, I was criticizing it because it was an option. The fact that 100/50/25 gems is a option to be rolled in Monsterwood drags in more watchers, and since the 2 biggest gem rewards are the lowest to get rolled, SP gains a profit due to advertisers.

[pallid seal]

Let me elaborate a little

I hate Dynamo

This

Also this

And this

Was all my 2-3 days attempts in the cave

Notice How the RNG screwed me in the 3th floor almost all times

(This is why I say that the RNG is tampered and manipulated BTW)

But you guys can say "Oh yeah, that happens, it's just bad luck"

Look at my run

Can you see tickets on the bag of prizes?

No huh?

THE GOLDEN ROOMS HAD FOOD

FOOD

YOUR RNG THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO THROW THE TICKETS AWAY AND PUT MISERABLE AMOUNTS OF FOOD AS THE PRIZE

And you guys still look at me and say "yeah, it happens"

It shouldn't happen!

It makes the Ancestor journey even more hard

Instead of:
1- reach the high floors of the cave to get tickets
2- grab the tickets
3- go to summon
4- hope for the best (and repeat)

It's like
1- reach the high floors of the cave to get tickets
2- hope that the caves didn't throw the tickets away (If it did, give up this run, pay 5 more gems and try AGAIN)
3- grab the tickets
4- go to summon
5- hope for the best (and repeat)

[clear stump]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[formal glen]

gif fail😔

[clever yacht]

Why the guys above taking too much about the cave instead of thinking carefully about the strategy to play it, people out there are speeding max 1000 gems for r5 ancestor each month, which is fair

[wraith mountain]

@pallid seal I think the biggest problem is Avarita himself

[pallid seal]

Because i try every strategy
I don't gem other chance If i dont pass level 10-13, 20-25- 30 or above
I Know that If a follow a patern, i will be blessed

I Know that There is people that Max ancestors like water

But:

-i don't have 1000 gems to spend on the caves
-I follow The patern and follow the strategies, and guess what? I still get blocked because my "luck" It's bad.
-the only time in weeks I get Lucky to pass level 15 without fail, the cave negated me the tickets and instead put 10k and 25k FOOD.
-We Gamble to get tickets to Gamble again and have the the chance of almost always catching CLATCH cells, the guys that max the ancestors are in majority guys that spends lots of real life money to buy the tickets
-even that there is guys that does the surveys and game tasks, don't feel unfair that great part of the people will certainly struggle to pass the levels only to find out that there is no tickets to get because the RNG thought that would be funny to put 2 era ago monster cells or FOOD instead of Tickets?!?!?!

Stop defending this madness

And even the guys that have lots of gems in any way, does it seems Fair that The cave may not give you Tickets because the RNG said "Ah, not this time"?

[pallid seal]

Dude, Avarita It's annoying, i Know, but come on

[wraith mountain]

I wanna jump in and give him a beating

[pallid seal]

me too

[modest hinge]

I am f2p and don't do tasks and surveys still have 7 Ancestors maxed in 4 months idk why you guys think it's impossible for f2ps to progress in this. It's very easy you need to focus on bh and get gems from it. That's the way

[clever yacht]

Skill issue

[ember depot]

"f2p" "skill issue"

doesnt make sense to me

more so a money issue

@hardy arch level 5 runes costs 2 gems.

they aren't that much.

[broken hollow]

he was exaggerating, but like why do we even have to pay ANYTHING to remove the runes off OUR monsters

like bruh its just stupid

[somber edge]

so just don't get him lmao not everything needs to be meta

some monsters suck that is intentional game design

[granite rock]

"just don't get him" you say to the person who got him on release to see how he fairs in pvp

Also I don't think "some monsters suck" should apply to the literal top tier of monsters

Power creep I can understand, it happens over time. But he is plain bad on release

[livid cave]

I was gonna refer to a previous post but bot didn't let me 🥀

Essentially, exarch relies a lot on a main gimmick that is very situational, and usually doesn't even help him

For one, the meta is already dominated by ancestors who instantly ascend and nuke the enemy, so slow charge ups are already unfavorable

Assuming exarch isnt glitched anymore (not sure if he still is but he stole negative effects on release), he ascends slow, which is already unfavorable

Then there's his gimmick. Its cool and interesting, but does too little. As a control, half the effects he steals (like damage boosts) are useless to him, since he isn't here to deal damage. Its very hard to find a reason to use him when you can just per or block effects on an enemy, especially when he can't make use of the effect

It also only steals one effect from a monster at a time, which is also random, so its not making much of a difference.

He's just not overpowered in a meta of overpowered ancestors

His clunky gimmick also isn't helping, paired with a mismatched moveset

[somber edge]

but that aspect of game design applies specifically to the top tier of monsters?

not sure what you're on about. You have a trial available to you before you get a monster. If you don't assess what you're getting, especially if it's valuable enough to you to get upset over it being bad, that's on you.

[granite rock]

That is not a very good response 👍

[livid cave]

Tbf there WAS numerous ways to see he wasn't up to snuff before getting and using him

You could look at the publicly available skillsheet

Or do the test battle

Or do like any research before dumping a ton of resources in r5'ing him

[somber edge]

But I'm not wrong 🤷‍♀️

[granite rock]

Not saying you're wrong, just that it's not a good way to look at it

[livid cave]

For the sake of power creep, not everything has to be game breakingly good

That's how we got the current meta of insta-awaken instakill ancestors which is a bit much

[granite rock]

He could've been designed as a counter to insta-awaken-team-nuking to promote using other team builds instead of just mid

[somber edge]

could have, but wasn't. And that's fine as it is

[granite rock]

huh ⁉️

[clear stump]

i don't think every new ancestor should be released with the purpose of being better than or countering every preceding ancestor

as in, we kind of had that already with legendaries

[somber edge]

and then countering specific teams makes him pretty much still unusable unless he's good generally, which would then mean he's busted

Your problem with exarch being mid wouldn't exist if other ancestors weren't what you suggest he should be

exarch would've been perfectly fine in the multiverse or historia era

[granite rock]

No he wouldn't

[somber edge]

he absolutely would

[livid cave]

He probably would

Iirc the meta in historia was evasion spam from graciel and primerion, so stealing that while dumping controls wouldn't be half bad. And he probably would've synergized with primerion well given time stop

And there wasn't trait megataunt so that probably also helped

[granite rock]

King atum had trait megataunt and immune to control

• Immune to control sc

[somber edge]

he was only a part. I remember diabolus was considered very good despite being vulnerable to atum

[modest hinge]

I have said it before you can be very competitive in this game without money. I am not a hardcore grinder ( definitely not) . People can get better than me if they grind more than me. So definitely it's not hard but just complaining is not worth it.

[lean kelp]

Being ok with Exarch being horrendously mid, fine

Being ok with Exarch being super buggy to the point where he'll just kill himself if he's on the same team as Florian, not fine

[clever yacht]

Agree

[clear stump]

Lmao what

How does that work

[lean kelp]

He can steal enemy Trait Disables, Hellfire and Curse and apply them to himself

And Fear

[clear stump]

bruh lmao

[lean kelp]

Florian would be his best partner otherwise, but he just removes Florian's trait disabled himself

[clear stump]

Hey its not all bad. Hellfire does magic damage still so doesn't hurt exarch much surely

[somber edge]

that has been fixed

[lean kelp]

I've been told it's still happening

[somber edge]

me when I wanna poach

also this is just a horrible idea with the number of bad actors and creeps it'd enable

[broken hollow]

bruh we literally has global for how long?

plus if it gave you the option to block ppl and stuff it'd be fine

[sick garnet]

Theres a reason global is no longer a thing

[clever yacht]

Cave, token event, golden pass, buying directly in shop, arent enought?

[ember depot]

cave is the f2p option to get tickets

we dont have spare money like you

[clever yacht]

"money f2p"

[ember depot]

oh shut up

you get my point

its the only way for f2ps get tickets

you sure are quiet huh @clever yacht

[clever yacht]

[clever yacht]

I understand what u mean, u can just say "give me free tickets please", don't be shy

[ember depot]

Don’t be so arrogant, just because you have tiền (money for moderators), doesnt mean you’re superior

Stand down.

[clever yacht]

Lmao, I'm a f2p, and all of my f2p friend find it extremely easy to get tickets from caves. We earn 2000+ gems each bh and then spent only 1000 for ancestor

If they make it easier to get tickets just for weak players, then others will get it too easily and it will be inflationary

They have fixed the cave more than 3 times according to your comments and the results show that you guys are very annoying

[blissful ember]

Classic Duels:

Each day, players will earn 2 Classic Duel tokens, with a maximum cap of 20 (same for Grand Duels).

Tokens will be earned as follows:
• Complete 2/8 daily missions → Summoning Tickets
• Complete 4/8 → Era Chest
• Complete 6/8 → 2 Classic Duel tokens
• Complete 8/8 → Gems

Each Classic Duel costs 1 token.

In Classic Duels, you will be offered 3 random monsters to choose from, 3 times (same as before).

Monsters will be Rank 0.

Runes will be level 5.

Monsters will come from the Feral Era.

To win Classic Duels, you need 3 victories and can only lose 2 times.

Rewards:
• 0 victories: Gold and Food (amount to be decided)
• 1 victory: 1 Gem
• 2 victories: 2 Gems
• 3 victories: 2 Gems + 1 Grand Duel token

Grand Duels:

In Grand Duels, you will again be offered 3 random monsters to choose from, 3 times, but the final selection will always include 3 Ancestor monsters.

Monsters will be Rank 3.

Runes will be level 10 (X).

A new feature: after choosing monsters, you must also select their relics. For example, after finalizing your monster, an image of it will appear with 3 random relics (Obsidian or Diamond, rarity is random), and you must choose one for each slot until all relics are equipped. Relics will be at maximum level.

Monsters will come from the most recent Era.

To win a Grand Duel, you need 8 victories and can only lose 3 times.

Rewards:
• 0 victories: Rune Chest (Lv. 3–5)
• 1 victory: 2 Rune Chests (Lv. 3–5)
• 2 victories: 2 Rune Chests (Lv. 3–10)
• 3 victories: 2 Rune Chests (Lv. 4–10)
• 4 victories: 2 Rune Chests (Lv. 5–10)
• 5 victories: 2 Rune Chests (Lv. 6–10) + 150 Era Summoning Tickets
• 6 victories: 2 Rune Chests (Lv. 7–10) + 250 Era Summoning Tickets
• 7 victories: 2 Rune Chests (Lv. 8–10) + 450 Era Summoning Tickets
• 8 victories: 2 Rune Chests (Lv. 9–10) + 800 Era Summoning Tickets.

Special Duels:

Special Duels will be available on Saturdays and Sundays, with different themed editions each week, such as:
• Original Mythic Era edition
• Corrupted Era edition
• Premium edition (Elite, Forsaken, Warmasters)
These editions will give older monsters new utility and value.

Special Duels play similarly to Grand Duels but differ because of the monster pools, rewards, and the absence of relics.

Special Duels will introduce 2 new items:
• Rune Tickets: Used to unlock blocked rune slots. For example, if a monster has only 1 open slot out of 3, you can use Rune Tickets to unlock the remaining slots (1 per slot).
• Era Booster: This allows a monster to advance its era stats. For example, Kuromaku Kaori could be boosted from the Multiversal Era to the Historic Era. Each monster can only use up to 3 Era Boosters, with the maximum limit being the most recent era. This would only work on Mythics.

Entry to Special Duels costs 20 Gems, but each day players get 1 free entry (so 2 free entries in total, one on Saturday and one on Sunday). There will also be a limit of 10 attempts per edition/week.

Rewards:
• 0 victories: 25 Era Summoning Tickets
• 1 victory: 50 Era Summoning Tickets
• 2 victories: 100 Era Summoning Tickets
• 3 victories: 200 Era Summoning Tickets
• 4 victories: 400 Era Summoning Tickets
• 5 victories: 2 Rune Tickets
• 6 victories: 4 Rune Tickets
• 7 victories: 6 Rune Tickets + 1 Era Booster
• 8 victories: 8 Rune Tickets + 2 Era Boosters

Extra Features:
Permanent Challenges (one-time rewards):
• Win 5 Duels → 25 Gems
• Win 10 Duels → 50 Gems
• Win 30 Duels → 100 Gems
• Win 50 Duels → 150 Gems
• Win 75 Duels → 200 Gems
• Win 100 Duels → 250 Gems + Random Revolutionary Ancestor Chest
(More challenges could be added later.)
• Classic and Grand Duels will be active Monday to Friday, while Special Duels will be active on Saturdays and Sundays.

[blissful ember]

This is my idea of the day

[somber edge]

wrong chat

[clear stump]

Let him cook

[soft flame]

honestly would just prefer if they reworked ancestor obtention to smth similiar to warmaster dungeons but of course a bit different maybe instead of element requirements its faction requirments for each ancestor and to unlock the ancestor egg you have to beat a dungeon with around the same nodes as an era saga but they have monsters that have increasingly more meta skillsets each ancestor could be dependant on what era their from for example hounens nodes would have meta feral mons

[clever yacht]

lol, that's even harder. Many player get decent amount of tickets just from daily free entry, and with those tickets, they easily get r3 or even r5 ancestor

[soft flame]

honestly making it harder to get op mons like hounen and dame would make it so every other person doesnt have op ancestors

im all for making it more difficult to get ancestors

i just dont like luck based crap

[clever yacht]

That was their direction from the beginning but it changed

[soft flame]

well yeah thats prolly why when ppl say sp they put a dollar sign instead of the s their basically just becoming another mobile EA

[clever yacht]

again for those complaining, r5 ancestor is now cheaper than r5 a tales monster

[soft flame]

my point still stands

most of the ppl who make these suggestions prolly wont get recognized by sp because they dont care abt what ppl think as long as they give them money

they litterally have a list of things you cant suggest with a ton of them being just quality of life things

like not being able to suggest lab eggs to storage?

[clever yacht]

the current obtention is fair already, or should be a bit harder, still affordable for f2p with accumulation and sp can still earn a lot form player who need quick stuff

[soft flame]

why are you still on abt ancestors thats not the point the point is sp is greedy

[clever yacht]

who isnt greedy?

[soft flame]

a lot of people

believe it or not there are plenty of ppl content with their lives whether its a good or bad situation they're in, greed is the obsessive want for more of smth you have

[clever yacht]

they will fall, sp are just trying to survive

[soft flame]

"sp is just trying to survive" reminds me a lot of the song biggering ironically originally the song for the onceler in the lorax before it was replaced with how bad can i be he tries to justify his greed by saying his company is like an animal trying to survive this is said in how bad can i be but doesnt have as much impact as biggering

[clever yacht]

You have to be in the game industry to understand some of the things they do, you guys are just looking from the player side

[soft flame]

your just reiterating your point from before but i already said they've taken their microtransactions and updates way far from the point of just surviving theyre trying to thrive more than survive they have more collabs with youtubers and other figures than any other game ive seen

and considering some of these youtubers popularity they would have plenty of players to survive the mobile games industry

and their game is also able to keep players with constant updates and increasing meta

your still here right?

bruh

[clever yacht]

Do they have any recent collabs?

do you know what happens to the game around 2021-2022? I don't want this chat channel to be misused, if you want to know more, dms

[ember depot]

If so why hasnt Project Moon fallen yet?

Project Moon has Limbus Company, the most generous gacha game ever

It has barely any micro transactions and doesnt shove them in your face

If you dont play for more than a week, you get 1300 of their currency, yes 1300.

Theres a feature called sharding, in which you get specific parts of an identity (basically skins) you like, for only 400 shards

Mind you 400 shards you can get in around a month.

Every time a bug is fixed the community gets 300-1300 of their currency

But they aren’t bankrupt yet

So? How about explaining that

You dont have to be greedy to win, you just need your community

[ember depot]

And SP definitely isn’t gaining their respect of their community

They’re only living due to the fact this game relies on micro-transactions

And you can fact check everything I said in the official PM discord server

I’ll send the invite to you in your dms if you want.

For Greed is the only sin that puts on a suit, calls itself progress, and still hands you the bill.

[somber edge]

they're well in business and y'all are still playing so clearly their strategy is correct

[clever yacht]

come back here in 10 years and tell me how your "generous gacha game ever" is doing, by then monster legend will probably be celebrating its 22nd birthday

[ember depot]

Limbus company is 3 years old.

And their still thriving and have a cough 80k fanbase, WHICH IS ACTIVE.

80k fans in 3 years and 75% of those people are active is an achievement SP cannot even dream of.

Theres like 20 active people in here

[ember depot]

Greed is an unfortunately great source of money

They’re dying though, slowly but surely they are

The only spenders of money here are kids with access to their mom’s credit card so.

But correct doesn’t equivalate to morally right

What they’re doing is simply greed and ignorance for their community

I’m not criticizing the game, it has great potential and great aspects, I’m criticizing the company and how it’s turnt an indie love project to ash

SP has been digging their own grave for 4 years. It’s only a matter of time

[ember depot]

@stoic burrow cave isn’t supposed to be completed, only sub-completed

You have nearly a 0,003% chance to get a perfect run on treasure cave til the end without gems

Even with gems its a whole damn not of money

The best way you can do treasure cave is to just get what you need (most of the times era tickets) and then leave

[wraith mountain]

Tbh nobody cares if it’s a perfect run or not, we’re just sick and tired of him popping in on room 3 EVERY DAY

[ember depot]

strategizing existed back in the legendary eras, so mb yo

@soft flame

[soft flame]

Lol

[soft flame]

I heard someone make a suggestion were we would get to hunt him for sport would really like that right about now

[ember depot]

Y’mean this? @soft flame

[soft flame]

Yes

[lucid tulip]

Going on from that, if we 1st encounter him in the cave we can choose to battle him, if we win our rewards stay however, he gets stronger every time we encounter him.

[wraith mountain]

Yea that sounds more fair, since now it’s skill based on how many times we can kill him, so the people deserve their prizes

[soft flame]

The only problem with this is that hes a legendary so they would have to bump his stats a ton or force us to use legendarys

[lucid tulip]

Or they could Just restrict us to use certain monsters, Either from certain books or elements

[soft flame]

if ya put this with the restriction of legendarys only in this and it sounds pretty fair

[lucid tulip]

I would say limit it to Legendary and mythics. No ancestors cause well that would be too easy.

[soft flame]

if your going to be fighting avarita only it should prolly be legendary only

[ember depot]

Or, just make a new version of avaritia that has the stats of an OG mythic at the start

Then it starts going up the eras

[soft flame]

that could work

[ember depot]

Like 2nd encounter is metro era stats

3rd is blossom

4th is galactic

So on

[wraith mountain]

Yeah it can scale like RUSD, or even like WAY BACK in cosmic era

The monsters would be like level 200 or sth

[clear stump]

@worldly yarrow , I have deleted your message multiple times now, please note that what you're asking for has been asked for many times before and doesn't need requesting again

[fresh roost]

Icl I think runes costing gold for like 7 and below would be fine, but for 14s it'd make most game modes unbearable

Then again, the whole aspect of gambling runes is unbearable

[cobalt horizon]

I always wanted swapping for a higher level free.

[ember depot]

Arent you supposed to be a player, not a mod

[clear stump]

I'm not a Moderator, I just delete messages in the ideas channels, hence ideas department

[ember depot]

The whole aspect of cave is miserable

[ember depot]

I didnt check your roles at the time of texting, now i know. My bad

[clear stump]

All good

[modest hinge]

There are still many ways to get gems. Grind bh every month and you can make good amount of gems. I made 2900 gems as f2p last bh and i have maxed 7 ancestors and got 8 14s without tasks and surveys in 4 months or 4bhs . So it's definitely possible to do good in this game as f2p. The two emerald relics released so far are just mid in my opinion definitely not the best. There are good monsters available f2p. Pass monsters have just been so bad like barely there are 1-2 good per era. And as f2p too you can get like 200-210 ancestral tokens with decent gems spend and 60 lap race teams. They have nerfed things but we need to work with what we got.

[modest hinge]

@young hawk

[ember depot]

@drowsy wave That’s a tapjoy problem, socialpoint cant do anything about that

@forest wing this is a feedback channel, not a bugs channel

For bugs, #1337348916743508039

@shell torrent there are no codes

[cobalt horizon]

@young hawk

Here is for discussion of feedback, you will need a role to type here, see #role-request

[cobalt horizon]

@ember depot what's the feedback?

[ember depot]

i forgot, it was supposed to be ideas, not feedback

I fumbled

[soft flame]

This is so true I just joined a team and after only one race of going to 20 laps (that's the MINIMUM laps btw) I'm already sick of racing because of the constant everyone pings and annoying tasks.

[broken hollow]

Most likely get outdated?? Nah bro they had so many legendary races and now absolutely none of them are viable. some ppl spent so long on races during cosmic and corrupted era and now r5s literally get outclassed by unranked monsters. its absurd

[clear stump]

to be honest i don't understand what OP expects there. it's a game where people invest money into having the strongest monsters, if every monster stayed the same strength then eventually there's be no reason to pay. leading to the game no longer existing lol

[livid cave]

The woes of powercreep 🥀

A necessity for the game to stay alive but also deeply disincentivizing for players

it definitely doesnt help theres always an architect that also does whatever job a mythic tries to do, except with better skills

[soft flame]

I feel like instead of just new monster power number go up they could've brought it to be a bit more theory crafty, where new ideas are implemented that don't completely imbalance that game but rather just bring new strategies and there's no one definitive best team rather there's a possible build for any type of player and keep stats generally same ish ofc have tank have more health attackers have more attack and etc but not to the point where one mythic can one shot the other. even though sp will most likely never change this as they want ppl to have to buy the next meta Mon or else they get left in the dust

Honestly the only thing keeping ml alive is the somehow rampant amount of dedicated pvp players and the cool monster designs

[wraith mountain]

My Uriel would like to have a talk, if I have to be honest, Uriel is the representative of a race monster so strong that he has a say in the current meta, I still use him and love him

[ember depot]

And as a result the game would get better traction and better respect from the community

A fully free game can still gain money

If a game has no way of get an advantage from different ways of playing then its simply mindpower and strategy

Which is exactly what Legendaries used to be

I believe in non-greed and non-powercreep, yeah burn me on a stake

[soft flame]

Based mindset

Some of the ppl in this server always are trying to justify the abhorrent greed of sp

[ember depot]

Socialpoint has been ctrl c ctrl v-ing monsters since king atum

Hell maybe even since pangoliath

[soft flame]

Pangoliath is basically santerion without artifact

[wanton orbit]

Unfortunately with only so many features there can be only so many things

[soft flame]

They just like to make everything inconvenient for f2p players pretty much it

[wraith mountain]

Not a bad idea on concept until you realise this’ll cause more reckless attacks

[undone moth]

Only for players that are unaware if people know what they're doing it's a great way of giving higher skill players a reward

[wraith mountain]

Why not put them in the campaign chest?

[soft flame]

What he was trying to say is that there should be a way to get the lamp of choice from them just because it hasn't been the case doesn't mean they shouldn't change it

[undone moth]

Because the original post is about making team wars more rewarding not campaign

[ember depot]

@velvet ridge due to the dramatic drop in quality after the “issue being discussed”, was this written by chatgpt?

Your and you’re turned into ur, and you into u

I believe this was not organic feedback, as such it does not validate your point

The feedback must come from a person, and from their heart, even if it may be of low quality, it would have been better if you honestly wrote your opinion rather than relying on a machine to do it for you

[clear stump]

Yeah that's definitely got some machine involvement lol

[tiny turret]

What about PEB?

@twin carbon

[twin carbon]

Not sure about that but for PEB too, we don't have any bh support ig

[worldly yarrow]

It can even restore hp through life regeneration effect, so be careful with relics

[restive tendon]

one good race monster in the entire history of ml, u get the point, make "every" race worth it, what you're saying is like “we go to work for 10 years, and our boss gives us one proper paycheck in the whole decade, and that is completely fine”

like bro this is NOT completely fine 🙏

[wraith mountain]

Exactly

[wanton orbit]

So let me get this straight... you all were complaining about bh lobbies being dead and filled with bots... and now you are complaining about bh lobbies being more alive with pretty much no bots?

Surely I'm not the only one who sees the problem here

[soft flame]

You can never make some people happy sometimes

[wanton orbit]

True

[restive tendon]

I was never complaining abt bots

[soft flame]

Why are there some people who don't like this idea what's the matter with it?

[wanton orbit]

I think it could be quite out of place, depending on how it's implemented

But I don't see any problem in having some goofy animations in the less-lore-important monsters

[livid cave]

I think its just a question of tone and timing

Back then in the older days the designs and monsters were more cartoonish, given the game's Pokémon inspired origins. Over time, there was a "design creep," where designs became less silly and more serious and realistic, in part as the art team improved and got better at making designs. Amplify that over several years, and its how we get obsidia and nebotus evil lord being from the same game

It just so happens the game has been "serious" a lot longer than its been "goofy"

[wraith mountain]

What if ppl have jobs or school?

[clear stump]

You have to be playing the game in order to join a lobby

Flipping a tile is something you can do instantly after you join the lobby

[restive tendon]

it lit takes one click to flip a tile, and if ur so busy that u can't even do that then join at the first place

[strange pond]

Looking at the leaks i think they're going back to goofy designs

[loud raptor]

It is a matter of stratagy. There are already quite a lot of battle formats in the game that let you choose your moves so it is refreshing, or atleast I think it is, to have a battle format where you need to build a team that gets the most consistent results despite not being able to control it which just forms a diffrent type of challenge

But in case you don't care about that here is a simple reason:
Bounty hunt would break because you always fight the same single enemy over and over again and within no time the most optimal attack patern would be found and you just repeat that every single time and bountyhunt would become boring

[soft flame]

I miss when it was goofy and more fun

[soft flame]

So basically the fun part is the AI scrambling up your move usage and having to build around it? I guess I could see that

[clever yacht]

Nebotus and his gym bros

[soft flame]

This is so real I want a reason to use jock and enforcerion in wars

[loud raptor]

Although I do agree that making achitects awakend just muscular regardless or whether or not it fits (baba basheer)

But I don't agree that the revolutionaires are a good example. Because first of all canine barely gets more muculare if at all. His suit just rips and I think that he is exactly an example of a creative awakend form showing the criminal hiding under the suit when he gets mad.

And I gues kinda fair point with exarch but not really because I think the important part of his design is that he looks more monsterus and like a abomination because that is a key part of character that he wants to bring the cosmo civ and abomination closer together so him becoming blend between the 2 is cool. Now are muscles neccery here? No but they do help although you could achieve the same effect in diffrent ways.
Overal though I think the main part of his design is not the muscles but all the extra tentacels and the fact he ripped out of his clothes and his hunged stance making him look bewilderd like an abomination

[livid cave]

I can see what you mean for both, but I personally still feel it could've been more creative.

For example, for Canine, given part of his design are his military/surveillance drones, I think it would've been cool if he got on a mech, or exosuit, or tank, or even the presidential limousine in the same style as the drones, so it didnt look so foreign to the rest of his design. While you could make the argument the prison garb fits as his true nature, it just feels a bit underwhelming.

For Exarch, I feel the link to becoming half abomination couldve been made more clear, because at the moment, he looks more gym bro than abomination. Maybe if he had more mouths like abominationw we've seen, more strange bone growths, maybe reveal some tech that injected abomination DNA into him. Maybe one wing, half abomination, half exarch.

Idk I just feel like both could've been better

[spice breach]

Codes don’t exist

[loud raptor]

Like I already said there is probably a better way they could have conveyed the concept with exarch but I have got to disagree on canine
A mec suit is not creatve even including canine half of all elektra architects are either robotic or have a mech awakening

[livid cave]

Well the mech suit was only one of my suggestions, and among them the ones I preferred less. I still personally think it would've been better than what we got, but to each his own. I personally, in an ideal world, would've liked to see him on a tank, since its unique, it matches, and I just think a giant tank with drones around it would be pretty cool for an awakening

[soft flame]

The drones should've transformed in to deadly robo dogs and canine would be holding a mysterious button which he would push on his ult

[slate island]

Hatching guardian to reduce hatching times by whatever the max breeding guardian time is. We have runes food and breeding.

[clear stump]

I should have a counter for how often that gets suggested 😂😅

[soft flame]

I mean it's a pretty valid suggestion

[clear stump]

Of course it is

It's also probably the most asked-for thing since these ideas channels were implemented, that alongside name changes and cell converter

[soft flame]

Hope they add it at some point would make grinding lineage and hatching storage mythics so much easier

[wanton orbit]

Used to be that way... still no idea why they changed it.
I think I heard that it was to help with server issues but idk if I believe that

[soft flame]

This would be cool but what's really the point of it, would you just stack up chests so it feels more satisfying to open a ton at once?

[clear stump]

If you don't have the reward be predetermined you'll see people turning off WiFi and restarting the game until they get the reward they want. Like the rune slots trick.

[clear stump]

@soft flame , your idea is for #monster-ideas

[soft flame]

Oh ok

[wraith mountain]

There’s ppl like me who’s stupidly unlucky and I still don’t have all R5, along with smart investments, we know who to avoid, but with Robur gone, I can’t do the books

[restive tendon]

all r5s bro here I don't even have a single r5 😭 💔

[clear stump]

You guys have Ancestors?

[wanton orbit]

Tree.

[restive tendon]

😭 🙏

[slate island]

Its a very good suggestion, especially if players are f2p it would atleast give them some sort of trying chance to catch up

[clear stump]

looping back to this

it's been requested probably thousands of times

[slate island]

Please consider

[clear stump]

i'm not a dev

[clear stump]

@tiny turret Is that an idea or feedback?

[tiny turret]

Both, I can’t send images on the feedback channel

[modest hinge]

They did bh changes just a while ago. Which are kinda good i would say. Bh is the only event I personally like a lot in this game. I don't know why past eras should be like easier to rank up since we can get more resources if we actually want to use them. Also some of the old mythics are still used in wars ( even top wars) they should just have a good kit.

[modest hinge]

@buoyant holly other events especially tales and maze are boring I give you that. I personally don't like racing that much but that's just because I never been in a top racing teams.

[modest hinge]

There is the point. Like look how jj was meta for so long and he is still meta for superhero wars. Also how like hounen will be meta for long too. If we don't powercreep them then you can't really get them out of meta

It's very boring to see the same thing again and again for like 2-3 years

Yet still some monsters have stood with time and are meta for wars ( even older mythics way back in doomsday)

[modest hinge]

@scarlet vector

[fresh ore]

the game is still exactly the same

except they went crazy with the powercreep

[clear stump]

Plus one, feedback channel.

[modest hinge]

Even with the powercreep jj is still meta. I mean definitely I don't want to see hounen just everywhere. If there is no powercreep hounen will always be meta. I don't know why people want it like that. That's just boring

[modest hinge]

The game is mostly same yeah but last few changes they did were good. I would appreciate them if they start working on improving the game

[fresh ore]

in war maybe but pvp? completely ruined by powercreep

[soft flame]

I think instead of making op monsters they could make it where movesets and such are balanced to a point where you don't need to power creep as everyone can create a different strategy to beat other strategies I like it when a game is theory crafty in where it isn't just using a set 5 or 6 mons

Like for example there could be a strategy revolving around stalling and really pushing the game out to chip away at enemies while they can't do anything to counter quick win mons like hounen and canine

Or a team set up that focuses on using raw damage and AOE per to bypass effect immunities and high health tanks

They did that kinda thing with legendaries until around the nemesis era

[modest hinge]

There is no maybe in war. He is by far best in superheros book

[modest hinge]

See wars still has a lot of varieties that's why I enjoy wars more

Like currently restrictions have a lot of ideas and there is counter to them to like how you can counter defence. So defence at the moment is chip related

[strange pond]

Just adding my two cents, as much as this would be nice to have, practically speaking in a game with over 1400 monsters with half a dozen being released each month balancing them in this way would be close to impossible.

And asking them to change up their whole release schedule now seems.... hopeful at best

[soft flame]

Even tho it would be nice it was mostly rhetorical

Ik they're already too deep in to the power creep philosophy

Honestly I would be happy if sp at least made a legendaries only gamemode

[ember depot]

@kindred glade if you could, can you please tell me why you reacted “no ai” to this feedback?

From what i’ve seen its completely valid and true

Ai detectors agree

If you disagree, can you show me why?

[kindred glade]

I literally don't see it. To me, the designs are consistent, but more detailed than the other Monsters released in the past year

[wanton orbit]

I fully agree with the island part, and disagree for the bh

The bounty hunt used to be much worse for high level players, and now people don't constantly face dead lobbies

Sniping is an entirely different problem, but there's not much sp itself really can do about it

Through those changes, they've made older players care much more about the event

The main problems I'm aware of are just community caused problems

[ivory copper]

Before pass after pass

[clear stump]

because your hatch boost expired

[soft flame]

Even tho this is a really good suggestion sp never listens to good criticism they just reply to what they want to hear

Seriously they seem like the EA of mobile games

I wish there was a way to call them out on their greed in a way they couldn't ignore

What's ironic is that not even the moderators here are prolly allowed to call out sp when they make those greedy decisions, for example a moderator here only replied to one good comment about the new shop in the new shop channel, the entire channel besides that message was criticism after criticism

[soft flame]

This is obvious rage bait

[soft flame]

Ok

[karmic fable]

Whats yall opinion?

[soft flame]

They might add these in the future it's just a lot of elemental shields

[karmic fable]

Ye i hope so

[clear stump]

for some reason if I put it together it gets auto modded

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[soft flame]

What?

They're most likely just gonna go down as another greedy company that ruined their game right before it died

The only thing we can do is voice our opinion and hope it might change that to a better outcome

[soft flame]

why was my message deleted?

That would be hilarious

[clear stump]

i'm going to let you figure out what automod is there for

[soft flame]

Ik what auto mod is for it's just ridiculous they auto modded that

[clear stump]

that doesn't mean you should find a way to get around the automod, because if mods see then... 🙃

because it was set it up that way, that should be reason enough

funnily enough, that's not a rule :)

[soft flame]

Could happen tho there are multiple servers where if you criticize say the person that made the piece of media they were making for the server or a content creator they would either kick or mute you just for criticizing them

[clear stump]

and that isn't this server, is it

[soft flame]

It could happen tho sp has already shown a fair amount of greed and they try to completely ignore criticism, the feedback new shop channel is a good example of that

There are multiple ppl here who feel the same way i do it's just I voice my opinion more directly and aggressively

[soft flame]

No way the convo after this message all of it was deleted

[clear stump]

Probably because it was no longer relevant to the channel.

[modest hinge]

Worst idea to make rune removal with gold. Also making it expensive to remove is good since you make sure you put 14s on monsters who phase out of meta quickly. Also you can change colour by swapping anytime ( if you need) . Why I say so ? Because if it's cheap to remove with gems or gold then everyone will run 14s in every war. Just make like 9 14s and you are done for whole life. I would really hate that everyone having 14s for top wars. So i think things are good. They can make changes for lower levels but not higher levels

[modest hinge]

@ebon monolith

[soft flame]

I honestly don't really agree with this it's already difficult enough to get one 14 rune so this change would actually be very beneficial

[modest hinge]

No not at all for top play. It will ruin competitive play forever

[soft flame]

I don't think it would it would just be more convenient

I mean think of it's you would still need a decent amount of 14s even if this change was made it would just be less 14s

[modest hinge]

How ? Just make 9 14s and just keep swapping them on monsters which are there for war. That's just not how it should be. You will never need to get more than 9 14s

[soft flame]

You would need way more than 9 you would need like maybe nine of each speed, health, team speed, and strength not even to mention the mons you use for defence

[modest hinge]

Not way more you barely need health and strength level 14s. Speed and team speed ( team speed being priority is what is required mostly)

But they are not gonna change it anyways. For lower levels they can make it cost like gold to remove upto level 8 i think is fine. Maybe cut off the gems costs uptill like 10-12 but 14s are good i think. The system is not best but it's all for good

[soft flame]

Ok so think of this you would want to keep the mons you have on your war and multiplayer defenses to have full 14s already is 18 of those 14s and assuming you use the extra 9 14s and if your assuming these are all speed or team speed runes you would still need extra strength and health runes to switch around so even at a minimum you would need 27 14s

[soft flame]

Nah this current rune setup is kinda trash

[modest hinge]

It's not you barely need 18 14s even. You mostly use same stuff on defence and mostly is useful for attacks. Also after defence is set you can just remove them if they are cheap

So defence is already set now you put those 3-6 14s which you changed from monsters to your attack team if it's different ( mostly Ancestor teams which are used on defence are always preferred on attack too ) sometimes it's different but most of time it's the same monster because many books have stand outs

[modest hinge]

I don't wanna see everyone running the 14s all time it would be very trash

[soft flame]

That's what you see on most high level wars what difference would it make since you would also have the 14s too it would just mean ppl wouldn't have to stress so much about an outdated game mechanic that basically got replaced by relics

[modest hinge]

How many teams have full 14s on their whole squad at the moment

[soft flame]

I remember seeing a DMTgoblins war which he said that the team he was against all had full 14s

There's plenty of full 14 squads

[modest hinge]

3-5

[soft flame]

Runes have become more of an inconvenience than a fun game mechanic

The change wouldn't ruin competitive play it would actually make it better

[modest hinge]

Don't think so. Nevertheless they ain't gonna change it anyways

[soft flame]

Unfortunately sp never listens to good criticism

But either way the only reason they wouldn't change it is because they know they can make money off of it in one way or another

At the end of the day we would just be better of without runes entirely

[modest hinge]

I agree on that

[tiny turret]

🤡 🤡 🤡

[soft flame]

i feel like this would be cool if it were its own seperate thing so players can still do normal wars but can decide to do era wars

[modest hinge]

They won't ever do this. Also I would end up with like 40k at end of each bh+ gems. So much loss for sp

[modest hinge]

@restive fjord

[restive fjord]

Yea i knew that would make it op, but tickets should atleast be available in more than one way, especially when the only way to get them is gambling

[restive tendon]

true

[loud raptor]

Why is the new bh mon league of hunters? I get the previous was a pirate but switched teams so it kinda makes sence but this is just a pirate who works alone. The idea that almost every bh mon needs to league of hunter is stupid.

[restive tendon]

not it isn't

[soft flame]

yeah and its not even like all of them have to be leauge of hunters charm was a fgk and got syndicate for a faction longbeak shouldve been pirates of petra

[soft flame]

The entire point is that if you wanna craft or rank up a Mon having the era filter would help in finding the Mon more quickly

[soft flame]

Wait I misread that as search monsters generation in monstagram as a response to the message above it nvm this is a good suggestion

[clear stump]

I remember the discourse about total blind vs guard down from years ago lol

[soft flame]

Personally with the trait disable nerf I think guard down is better now

[red magnet]

🤡🤡🤡

[soft flame]

Honestly I like this idea nothing too crazy but seems like a breath of fresh air for dungeons considering you can usually beat hard dungeons with just about any mythic so this would at least make it so you have to think about which mythics but still not super difficult (btw I'm saying this assuming if you don't have any op ancestors)

[soft flame]

Building on this it should be caverns of ascension esc dungeon but instead of low lvl basic era mons it's ancestor teams with high ranks and certain restrictions with only one ancestor for each team. it should only give around 25-50 tickets per day

[lucid tulip]

Good rewards but i would replace the food and gold rewards in my opinion and replace them with better rewards cause you can easily grow 1.5 million food every 12 hours, and 3 mill gold can easily be collected from your habitats alone.

[karmic fable]

Yeah but compare to Hard ones

400k golds and 100k foods

What do u expect

[terse patio]

when u play to level 35 or so you can oneshot hard dungeon already

so the rewards are just not worth it

[tiny turret]

I love how honest this guy is.

😂 😂 😭

[soft flame]

For the people who down voted this it's obviously satirical

[soft flame]

I mean even if he doesn't it still has been a major problem for everyone, it's true most players get rewarded for sniping more than they do for doing good damage or flipping tiles and helping(btw if y'all are wondering bout the deleted messages this was tim I was talking to.)

[wanton orbit]

I fully agree with the solution for sniping, but I don't agree with the solution to not flipping
If I'm reading it right, it'd screw over the people who do flip if anyone doesn't

I would fully agree if the flipping requirement if it only blocked the people who didn't flip, making people flip 2 or 3 tiles before they could attack the fugitive

[soft flame]

From what I heard there used to be a pity system but they removed it so they just want us to suffer

[restive tendon]

yeah

[soft flame]

we already have some mythic warmasters zahra, elvira, gorthak, babari, and thallasa all have mythic versions

although i do hope we get a sherezar or ragnarok mythic soon

[clear stump]

@atomic sedge , monster ideas go to #monster-ideas please

[soft flame]

the channel is called submit ideas it doesnt matter if theres a monsted ideas channel his suggestion still fits the criteria for submit ideas

[clear stump]

I refer you to the pins of #submit-ideas - there is a channel specifically for monster ideas, it was made for a reason and should be used. Thanks for your feedback 👍

[soft flame]

still kinda stupid they seperated it like that an idea is an idea for an example if there was a discord channel where you talked abt food but there was a channel reserved specifically for sandwiches wouldnt that be kinda stupid

[clear stump]

What-ifs are infinite

[soft flame]

so can be game ideas outside of mons you could get millions of minigame mode ideas and balancing changes so whats your point

[clear stump]

The point is to read the pins of #submit-ideas :)

[soft flame]

ah deflecting to a different part of the conversation i see

refer back to the food example and compare it to the monster ideas sounds pretty similiar to it doesnt it

now i know your not a mod or dev but im just simply saying the different channels that could be compressed into one is kinda silly

[clear stump]

Refer back to hypotheticals being infinite 🙃 The channels don't need compressing, thank you for your feedback but they are good as they are.

[soft flame]

both channels have infinite possibilities you obviously arent reading my messages correctly

i mentioned before outside of monster ideas there are infinite possibilities for game balances and other non monster related changes and additions

also what you just did there is just restating an argument i rebuttled instead of making a counter argument

[clear stump]

i don't owe you anything lol, read the pins for that channel. thank youuu

[soft flame]

since when did i say you owed me anything we're simply having a conversation and again your deflecting and restated point that were already rebuttled against

[amber hatch]

@young pine @digital bison What's wrong with always having tickets in those safe rooms?

[wraith mountain]

I once did a run where all 3 rooms had no tickets 🤣 the cave is very scummy indeed

[livid cave]

This is how balance changes should be done if sp is going about it (though the high paced structure of this game makes that difficult and imo isnt worth it). Clear, exact, not just nerfs, buffs to the weaker monsters instead of just nerfs, and most certainly not secret

[atomic cedar]

Usually the bad mons are just left bad and now even the good mons are being nerfed what the heck is this ??!?

When was the last post release buff even done?

[livid cave]

Where were the buffs when robur needed them most 🥀 😔

Anyway yeah nerfing a good well like monster instead of making a new one that just does better for bh is next level stupid and reputation tarnishing, especially behind out backs

[lean kelp]

Theton over 2 years ago

[atomic cedar]

Just ignore my message now 😂 the nerf will be reverted

[lean kelp]

And his was more so a bug fix due to poor testing

[livid cave]

Yuh

[atomic cedar]

Dang that's a long time ago but yh that was a bug fix

But what was the last true buff

[lean kelp]

Fat cat

Linnaeus

[atomic cedar]

Any idea?

[livid cave]

Technically saberus but he was literally just unusable

[atomic cedar]

Yeah I remember

[livid cave]

So they slapped r5 mt on him and called it a day

[atomic cedar]

Idk if any monster got a buff 3-4 months after release after it's "sell" date

[livid cave]

No thats never happened I think

Its just because ancestors were not built with equalized stats so there was no point

[atomic cedar]

Yeah most nerfs till now were also indirect

[atomic cedar]

Like voreth to canine , canine to adaled

[soft flame]

How many changes are they gonna make without telling us did they do the same thing when nerfing dodge area?

[restive tendon]

wait what did they did to dodge area?

[soft flame]

Dodge area trait used to not have a charge and cooldown

[restive tendon]

oh

[restive tendon]

but yeah you're definitely correct

[soft flame]

Yeah it's super annoying only being able to rent out the pods like let us pay more gems just so we can have it permanently it's not like the extra hatching structure upgrades are temporary so why should the pods be temporary

[amber hatch]

Tbf they did tell us about that in the update it happened in, same with the status cast nerf

[soft flame]

Honestly if they wanna make more Mt status casters they should also actually make them fast

[amber hatch]

wouldn't help much if they did tbf

[soft flame]

I mean think about it sp doesn't want to give any tanks Mt as a trait besides architects so they could just make mythics really fast to out speed enough to be able to sc Mt this is mostly assuming sp is never gonna let a mythic have mt again

[modest hinge]

Thing is if they made a mythic mt. People will just use that instead of ancestral tanks ( those who can't afford or will like to do some others) then it's a loss to them lol

[tiny turret]

Hi pro :rascal:

[soft flame]

Just make it so the Mt ancestor tanks are more worth getting but also make the myt Mt tanks good but not as good as the ancestor Mt tanks

[modest hinge]

Could be done yeah but idk about sp tbh. Also just use king atum if you want to tank a shot. Nowadays mt are cooked anyways by canine

[wanton orbit]

I 100% second this

Quality of content over quantity

Swapping to an ancestor per season just feels like a money grab

[cedar crypt]

Counter offer: just don’t make nearly every ancestor flip the meta on its head or be war essential

Make more ancestors that are like fun niche war picks or something yk? Like I’d love to see another sibidu level ancestor where like he’s great in one of his restricts but is completely optional to pick up and invest in

[soft flame]

Yeah it's so stressful having to get meta ancestor after met ancestor even exarch was still required for spirits meta

[atomic cedar]

I mean you get enough gems per cycle of bounty hunt to R5 any ancestor + more for free

[wraith mountain]

Nahhhh, Avarita loves stealing gems and ruining our days, you don’t get enough

[cobalt horizon]

@wary basin That's not a bug, revenge attacks will be against defence team set at the time you first attacked that opponent. I would guess you are swapping teams between attack/defence.

[modest hinge]

I can say it's easily more than enough. If you hardcore grind bh. You can get like 4-5k gems too

[soft flame]

Fun fact the ancestors from the first two eras were originally f2p but now they changed it so their exclusively pay to play and what's worse is all of em are outdated so it isn't even worth spending the 20 usd for one of them

[true elk]

Feel free to send to in game Support with your screen shots.

[lean kelp]

The exact opposite 💀

Ancestors were so P2W until they buffed the drop rates mid Alpine

Nobody had a ranked Griffania until like S3-S4 of Abyssal cuz the drop rates in the Gacha were abysmal and tickets were near impossible to get

[modest hinge]

Agree

Ancestors are much more obtainable now

Much easier to max out. Ancestors are f2p friendly. If we consider. Mythics are maxed with 8900 resources which is way more and still very difficult to do. So mythic era was worse for f2ps , legendary era had a lot of things going on . So it was similar to mythics

[lean kelp]

Mythic eras pre-galactic was very F2P to rank up

Rusd was goated

And then they released caverns

[soft flame]

Well I mean they were at least more available by the time they were in the lamp of choice right

[lean kelp]

Lamp of choice didn't exist back then

💀

[soft flame]

Yeah I'm saying when they started doing it they were more available right

[lean kelp]

Compared to now I suppose since you could craft the ancestors and gems were more available

But the conjuring itself was worse back then

[atomic cedar]

I remember back in the cosmic era there was no bounty hunt , no reliable source of gems even a person spending 50 gems for the race was praised like a god 💀💀💀💀

[soft flame]

Wait I thought you were a generally newer player you said you started around the same time I did or was this on an alt account?

[atomic cedar]

My old acc was deleted by my sister

Originally I have played since 2014

I was even there when nebotus was not breedable afaik

Also the first bounty hunt iteration having two main mons instead of one the fgk and the f2p mon

[atomic cedar]

Cruelectrek and mojadrak iirc

I also remember everyone malding over why the lord (nebotus) was in the legends pass instead of the other modes

[wanton orbit]

F2ps need to have a disadvantage or else people will not pay and the game could be shut down

The status of f2p gameplay in ml rn is absolutely terrible tho

And it's better to pay other games than it is to pay ml IN ORDER TO GET GEMS IN ML

It's really just sp shooting themselves in the foot twice

F2ps should definitely be given a little more stuff imo, but they should always be a step behind p2ws

[cobalt horizon]

@fleet wind @cedar crypt
Here if you wish to discuss feedback, thank you.

[cedar crypt]

Sorry @cobalt horizon I just couldn’t contain myself from commenting on that awful suggestion I haven’t seen one that bad in a long time I’ll use this channel in the future🙏🏻😭

I just wanted to make sure my comment was seen by everyone to explain why that suggestion was awful

[fleet wind]

Except it’s not an awful suggestion? Arguments about relics doesn’t exactly mean anything, as lower rarity’s can’t use the relics ancestors and mythics can, it’s a great way to bring more fun into the game. I have no idea why you’re being a complete douchebag about it? Anyways to Gabriel’s message, more books would be a great way to have more fun and a good alternative to what I’m saying. I do understand what you’re saying.

[clear stump]

if you're running all-legendary wars you're only going to see the same teams and same counter setups

legendaries ended as a counter vs counter meta with the same mons being everywhere

[fleet wind]

Your definitely right about that, sorry I’d speak more on this but I’m working right now

Also “Murky” we could also talk about different ways to have more strategic thinking and fun, like maybe more events that include those types of monsters so they aren’t purely monster power or breeding monsters, or anything of the sort, like Gabriel said bringing in more books into team wars I feel would help make the game a lot more fun.
I do hope instantly resorting to being downright rude instead of talking or being kind works out for you!!

[soft flame]

Forsaken and nemesis mons were too op for their own good

[modest hinge]

I don't really understand what you trying to say bro. But ancestors ain't that hard i have said this like 100 times already. Buying islands with gems is fine I guess but why would you need so much space I don't have any idea generally. Just remove all the useless monsters from base and see you have so much empty space and get more space in vault

[soft flame]

I mean personally when I get into the end game I'd want to try and just fill up my monstagram to get all rares-legendaries at least (I already have all the commons and uncommons

[modest hinge]

If I am right you can't obtain all legendaries. Some were exclusive and some mythics were exclusive too

[soft flame]

I think you can still obtain most legendarys if not all of em from cell week

[modest hinge]

I am not entirely sure how many were exclusive. An og player would be able to tell you. Also the new era mythics will be behind paywall. Other than that you are good to go i guess

[fleet wind]

This is a fantastic idea too, actually I think it’s really good. Probably might be the only thing that would work in this day and age of the game! I’m glad Asta responded to me about it with this idea, instead of slandering and being an absolute jerk about it, Murky!

[soft flame]

The beef is crazy

[fleet wind]

Not really beef, I gave an idea that could be really fun, if done correctly or in other ways. He instantly started slandering and being a jerk, instead of talking about it and finding other ways to do what I said like literally every other person who answered me. I just hope always being a jerk works out every time!

[soft flame]

Yeah you guys def started some beef

[modest hinge]

The only way I could think of to implement legendaries commons etc in war is making seperate wars for them. Like a team can choose for if they will like to do normal wars or legendary only wars. Thing is implementing it in normal wars is not possible. Legendaries will get one shotted and it will just cause coin drops every single attack. In top wars ( dropping coins is what is being avoided the most). But yeah can definitely work with just legendary only wars with restrictions to relics ( till gold or something)

[modest hinge]

For the other part. Upgrading meta Ancestors and mythics is the way to go. There is no way everyone is available to so much resources that they can dump onto any monsters and get no good use for it. Resources are key and need to spend then wisely. Also there are old monsters use cases in top wars which is great. Newer players have limited resources so going with the best ones is the way to go

[modest hinge]

I don't really understand how dropping 100 bucks will make you lose. If you are upto meta and have 14s there is no way a new person who is whale should just win. Also whales like this need to spend a lot more than 100 bucks. We need so many monsters, so many resources that 100 bucks is kinda nothing at that point. Keep up with meta isn't very hard as f2p if you do well in bh

[restive tendon]

true

[restive tendon]

what is bro trying to say 🙏

[wraith mountain]

The possession is completely random so it’s out of ur hands

[terse patio]

bro really want opponents to hit themself🥀 💔

[wraith mountain]

Yea considering that possession works like this
When you need to recharge to endure it, you hit urself with ur best move, but when the opponent has it, it only recharges