ideas-feedback-discussion

[fresh roost]

Collection

[strange pond]

Collecting them dawg

[fresh roost]

They're useless anyway, let us breed them

[strange pond]

i want cool mons

why you gatekeeping

[worldly narwhal]

because I have nonbreedables and they are cool to have

[strange pond]

Yeah and I want them too

without having to spend 200 gems in the shop

[worn patio]

They should do this with warmasters too

[worldly narwhal]

NO

just add more ways to get heroic orbs

[strange pond]

There's already dungeons for those dudes no?

[worldly narwhal]

dont make warmasters breedable lol

[strange pond]

Agreed 100%

[worn patio]

Yeah thats what i mean make em easier to get

[worn patio]

Yeh but the orbs u can get f2p are barely anything

Its like 50 a week max

[strange pond]

True, that's why they shd add more ways to get those

[worn patio]

Yeah

[worldly narwhal]

yea because they removed a lot of ways since warmasters arent used anymore

[worn patio]

They removed all the ways

I rmb they used to be in daily missions i think

And pvp

[worldly narwhal]

not all the ways

just every single one except timed challenges

[worn patio]

Well theres the events and books

Thats it

[worldly narwhal]

and books yea

[worn patio]

But yeah aint no one using warmasters in pvp so they shouldnt be this hard to get

[strange pond]

Fr

[worldly narwhal]

same could be said no one uses them so there is no reason for them to be easy to get

[strange pond]

Collection mate, one of the most fun parts of this is collecting as many mons as you can get. Why should that only be restricted to combat viable mons

[worn patio]

Fr

[worldly narwhal]

doesnt bother socialpoint

[worn patio]

Also sp does make it relatively easy to get a ton of mons no one uses

[strange pond]

SUPERCELL??

[worldly narwhal]

I mean social point

chill i was geeked

[worn patio]

Clash of ml when

[strange pond]

monster royale

[worldly narwhal]

doesnt bother socialpoint if they dont make any money from it

[strange pond]

I mean yeah, SP doesn't care about what we want but that's not an argument in your favor.

All that's saying is yeah we shouldn't complain because the company doesn't care about it

[worn patio]

Well yeah the point of this channel is to try and make em care (tho p unsuccessfully lol)

[worn patio]

I mean sp made it p easy to get original mythics and cosmics as well and they’re p much js as irrelevant as legendaries

Also idk if im biased but i think on average legendaries had better designs than mythics on average

[worldly narwhal]

you can complain all you wont but they wont change anything

its only when players stop spending money will they change stuff

[strange pond]

You are correct

I will not deny that

But at the same time, complaining makes me feel better and if there is even a 0.0000001% chance that my complaint could make a change in the distant future then it's worth it

Besides it's not like rolling over for all their decisions will change anything either so might as well whine about it

[somber edge]

there are many ways lol

he has no immunities so anything that's faster and either tortures or denies him finishes it out

and I'd be willing to bet my money that's what we'll be getting next season

[scarlet vector]

he can remove tortures

evasion blocks controls

[somber edge]

nothing he can do if tortures kill him before he gets his turn, and no evasion doesn't block controls if he doesn't have evasion on

[scarlet vector]

hes the fastest monster in the game he will get the first turn

[somber edge]

we are talking about the potential future ancestor

It's what they've been doing for years now

They don't nerf anything because it's too strong

they just counter it

[somber edge]

💯
Also, I don't see how opening strategy options to players that previously didn't have those options will ruin war somehow

I also find it funny that half of the people that upvoted "remove gem cost" also upvoted "keep gem cost"

Like do people actually read before upvoting? 😂

[cobalt horizon]

@sharp fractal responses to others feedback posts here please.

This channel for discussion, #general-feedback for posting feedback, #submit-ideas for ideas

[sharp fractal]

Sorry my bad didn’t see this Channel

Could of atleast give me a chance to copy and paste it into here didn’t need to instantly delete it could also argue that most of what I said was feedback rather than a discussion

[cobalt horizon]

It's 3 posts up from here.

Was forwarded.

[somber edge]

I forwarded it, so it's safe

[sharp fractal]

Fair enough cheers

[scarlet vector]

@karmic fablegirl you joined on MAY 9TH..... least obvious attention seeker 💀 upvoting your own dumb idea is crazy

[karmic fable]

man check @honest edge and i am not a girl @scarlet vector

[scarlet vector]

dumbahh attention seeker🥀

[karmic fable]

man i have two accounts don't you get it

[scarlet vector]

discord mod alert

[karmic fable]

@scarlet vector

[scarlet vector]

yeah i saw that the ping was not needed🥀

[karmic fable]

man i don't know why people are trying to taunt me 🥀

[strange pond]

Facts my brother

[somber edge]

cheaper

should be cheaper

[worldly narwhal]

are you suggesting a change which doesnt harm the player base?

[somber edge]

yes I always do that

[worldly narwhal]

😕

why lie

[cobalt horizon]

Should be in #submit-ideas

Feedback is for the posters feedback, not posting other members ideas.

[clear stump]

Permanently purchasable lab pods has been requested a fair few times:')

[cobalt horizon]

But I'm certain this is not the first time suggested.

[clear stump]

@hollow kelp , hold your finger on the feed button for a few seconds, and the feeding will be much faster. Hold to Feed.

[wraith mountain]

I mean…. It’s like the hatchery…. Adding slots is just like adding slots to the hatchery, why can we hatch 4 but keep the rest at 1?

[clear stump]

I think I'm hatching a heck of a lot more monsters than I am ranking

[worldly narwhal]

true but all of the monsters you hatch are useless for gameplay unless ranked

[clear stump]

Besides the point. If I have bred a monster, it has to be hatched. If I want to craft a monster, it has to be hatched. I feel like it's a false equivalence

[worldly narwhal]

that doesnt mean you dont also need to rank up multiple monsters at once

ranking up is just as important as hatching

you should be able to buy at least 1 extra pod

[clear stump]

Have you ever sold an egg? Lol

Of all my total eggs that I've hatched within the last year the pipeline probably looks like 75% sold 25% hatched at best

That's just me tho

[worldly narwhal]

yes

you need to rank up 1 monster 3 times for them to be useable minimum

meaning every good monster you hatch needs 3 pod slots to be useable

[clear stump]

A monster ranking up thrice only needs one pod available

Only when you're intending on ranking up multiple mons at once do you need surplus pods

Don't get me wrong, this issue was alleviated by that one beta where they held the sales for temporary infinite pod usage, or something along those lines

[worldly narwhal]

thats the kinda beta they need to add not stupid tales betas 😭

Im always just ranking with all 4 slots currently so I was just thinking about perma slots

[nimble rain]

tales beta 💀

i always hated tale events

[somber edge]

then you can't kick freeloaders

[tame coral]

how would they freeload if they had like 15-20k something points?

[somber edge]

the idea states that it should be if they have more than the point requirement, which is like 400 points

also @cerulean sierra the edited suggestion solves literally nothing, co-leads and leads that want to game the system will just kick you two days before race ends 😂

[tame coral]

what if they cant kick during second half of race in general if they have like 10k points, feel like thats fair if you have 10k by end of day 3 you are good

[worldly narwhal]

@vapid coral

rune removal for gold is not a good idea twin

[vapid coral]

It is

[worldly narwhal]

its not

[vapid coral]

It is

[worldly narwhal]

I think as murky has said before

it will ruin wars

so its not

[vapid coral]

Elaborate

[worldly narwhal]

if it only costs gold
to remove runes

you only need 9 XIV runes

then you dont need anymore

[vapid coral]

True

[worldly narwhal]

every single war will just be full of XIV

[vapid coral]

Yeah

[worldly narwhal]

obviously top teams alr have that

like ts and inc i mean

but for other teams

imstead of mostly XIV

it will become all XIV

[vapid coral]

Yeah ur right

[worldly narwhal]

however

I do agree with you on some level

maybe not all rune levels

but I think more than level 3 should be removable by gold

[vapid coral]

Yeh

[worldly narwhal]

Level 5 or level 7 would be much better

that way new players can still experiment with different monsters

[cedar crypt]

The gem cost should be lowered but not removed entirely

[fresh roost]

I'd say only last day, cos if whole of race you're gonna be stuck with dead weight on your team

[frigid oasis]

me who freeloads and doesn't get kicked

[fresh roost]

Ew

[cobalt horizon]

Top members in pts already can't be kicked.

[signal dragon]

aren’t the only ads for rewards

[worldly narwhal]

there are random ads until you buy something

[signal dragon]

I mean after the purchase

re the last msg in feedback

[worldly narwhal]

yea idk what hes complaining about lol

[somber edge]

no it won't

sure top teams get to use 14s, but other players get to use their absolute best runes which would be 9, 10s, and 12s

and it's not like gem removal is stopping teams like Inc from having 14s on nearly everything 😂

[worldly narwhal]

I said excluding inc and ts

[somber edge]

Well, if one team can get 9 XIVs for most of their players, what's stopping other teams?

If relics costed gems to remove yall would say it should stay that way because it'd "ruin wars"

I don't see how it's strategic to force yourself to limit your options in war because you don't have runes

[worldly narwhal]

its easier to get 20 9 and 10 runes then getting 6 SS swords

I dont see your point

[somber edge]

how does it improve wars in any way that the majority of people have to reserve their best runes for generally good monsters while being unable to be creative because they can't have the right runes on niche/specialist monsters?

[worldly narwhal]

9 and 10s are enough most of the time

you can still be creative with 9s and 10s

[somber edge]

and how would letting runes be removed with gold hurt that?

[worldly narwhal]

id argue having every monster able to use 14s removes the strating that comes with using 9s and 10s

you can just use the best monster inslot for the restrictions rather than having to make due with what you having

it requires a lot more skill to use the monsters you have to make a coherent team then to just use a couple mil gold to put on whatever the best monster for the restrict is and calling it a day

[somber edge]

again, for most teams, 9s and 10s are the most prevalent in comparison to 14s, so all letting runes be removed with gold does is set newer and poorer players on a fairer level with older or more rich players

only a few times will a team with mostly 9s and 10s match a team that forces them to think about not using a monster with 9s and 10s

[worldly narwhal]

but how is that fair. Isnt that punishing players who got a bunch of XIVs by letting anyone get 9 xiv set up for every war

[somber edge]

well yeah inc deserves to get punished 😁

in the long term though, it's better for everyone

[worldly narwhal]

I think they should lower the cost tho for sure

[worldly narwhal]

true information

[signal dragon]

Airashi with the questionable takes again

[somber edge]

I didn't touch upon why I downvoted your idea, but ancestor coa wasn't removed "for no reason"

[worldly narwhal]

@cerulean sierra

thats akira

[grand haven]

I'm assuming it got removed because sp doesn't want players to have another source of ranking up for the ancestors?

[somber edge]

No, because there's no point in having 3 separate dungeons. Instead of one era saga with one ancestral chest, one ancestor dungeon (that's very long and tedious, even with r5/XIV) that gives you one ancestor chest, and one COA that gives you 5 cells a day, they made it to one short era saga that gives you two chests and 200 cells. That's equivalent to 40 days of COA, so I really don't see the loss there.

Sure, COA can be done indefinitely, but getting 200 cells close to release date seems more valuable in my opinion

I find it insane that eighteen people upvoted that absolutely stupid piece of feedback

[grand haven]

Well there's a major loss of rewards, and a way to get ancestor cells indefinitely would still be useful

For ancestors from historia onwards, the only way to get their cells now is to pick them in the cells lamp, in the gacha that uses the same tickets as the ones for the latest ancestors

And yea 5 cells is really tedious but that's 5 cells of every ancestor per day

[somber edge]

I don't see how there's a major loss of rewards compared to three really boring dungeons, since the nodes have guaranteed cell, gem, and relic rewards, unlike the wheel offered by the former.

Although yes, I agree that it's dumb that the 200 cell reward is restricted to the month of release only

[grand haven]

Well the major loss of rewards I was talking about was the loss of Ancestor dungeons, since that's around 90 more nodes where you can get 3 or 5 gems

Plus the era sagas have been reduced to just easy and hard, so that's another reduction

[somber edge]

They were quite boring though, and the sagas do have guaranteed gem rewards

90 nodes of 3 really annoying waves

[grand haven]

Yea but you can't deny the 90 roulettes are valuable

[somber edge]

theton tideborn's for example was hell because you can't even use him as an attacker

[grand haven]

Plus the guaranteed gem rewards are only there for the current season, they'll be gone afterwards, meaning anyone that joins after the season won't get it

[somber edge]

Idk the chances of getting 3/5 gems

[grand haven]

It's not high but good enough to be valuable imo, I've gotten at least 100 gems per ancestor dungeon

[somber edge]

If you wanna mindlessly slave for over an hour for 100 gems might as well do surveys or a task

it wasn't even engaging or skillful, straight up tedious

[grand haven]

Yea well I don't have that luxury of good tasks or surveys

Hell I don't even have the luxury of having surveys

[somber edge]

my condolences I guess

[grand haven]

So yea that's the main reason for the return of the dungeons and COAs

Tedious as you may think it still yields valuable rewards

[somber edge]

I'd just say switch the limited-time rewards to permanent

[livid cave]

Obtaining ancestors as a whole is a greatly flawed system

Getting them and/or rank them up being based off of luck is a bad system

Dungeons were at least certain and reliable, which is why removing them felt so much worse because it meant removing the only certainty in ancestors.

The whole timed saga rewards "replacing them" is terrible as well because why time limit it, and again, its not reliable over a long period of time.

Imo it probably should've been handled more like the warmaster dungeons except you get tokens to unlock nodes for it in all the events of the season, applicable to any ancestor dungeon

[somber edge]

that's probably in everyone's best interest, no?

[somber edge]

#general-feedback

[grand haven]

I mean yea that works wonders too

[livid cave]

I'm just chipping in 😔

[somber edge]

I was joking, lol

[livid cave]

It's too late for ancestors now they're forever doomed to gacha 💔

[grand haven]

The ancestor COAs should really be grouped into one, each node you get 5 cells of a random ancestor

[somber edge]

But anyways, you'll gamble for ancestors anyways because it'd take over an year to max via coa

so

🥴

[grand haven]

It'd still be nice to have the option

[livid cave]

What if it was like a special rankup resource instead so you choose which one so no gambling

ik its a loose definition of gambling but shhhh

[somber edge]

call me impatient but I'd very much prefer the instant 200 cells 😂

My only preferred change would be that they make it a permanent reward, for the newbies

[strange pond]

like the era stuff but ancestors only?

[grand haven]

I mean why not both, instant 200 cells then 5 cells per day

[livid cave]

Ig idk I think choosing is better than random as well as using pre-established game systems

[somber edge]

if SP was a good company it'd be them making this idea right here and not a player

make a rrs for ancestors and make a coa

[grand haven]

Plus, y'know, 200 cells is still a limited time reward

[somber edge]

with an actually decent amount of it

💯

[strange pond]

If Sp was a good company we wouldn't have to go through two sets of gambling to get ancestors, but i think we've beaten this horse enough

[grand haven]

Just get survival dungeon back for ancestors

[somber edge]

Ancestor RUSD

[livid cave]

The worst part is that to beat the final nodes you probably need a r4-5 ancestor so it's not even worth it 💔

[somber edge]

you can usually do with mythics

[grand haven]

Depends

[somber edge]

the set defenses have very bad skillsets equipped, so it's easy

[livid cave]

Idk probably a skill issue on my part

[grand haven]

My 115 adaled + king atum + volken beat the entirety of the era saga

[somber edge]

I remember expecting anwir to give me hell in his but he just dealt moderate dark damage every time 🤣

[grand haven]

But someone like Stina is hell because you need to one shot her

[somber edge]

a level 150 anwir with 10s dealing moderate dark damage, so funny

[strange pond]

What if they had like mega dungeons, that appear every weekend that gives that ancestral cells lamp at the end of it, it would need to be harder than the usual Hard dungeons but could be handy. I dunno just a thought

[somber edge]

They should make dungeons that have random restrictions like wars

[livid cave]

"BEHOLD, MY ULTIMATE POWER!!" moderate dark damage

• anwir, probably

[somber edge]

and have ancestor cells at the end

[somber edge]

So then you need good mythics to get ancestors

I'm a genius guys

[grand haven]

Would be a neat idea, a dungeon that switches up factions every day

[somber edge]

I solved all of MLs problems

[livid cave]

Legendary gem dungeon my beloved (gone too soon) 💔

[visual ledge]

@cerulean sierra Buddy we already got ancestor voltaik whatu talking about

[strange pond]

@latent hedge what’s emph?

[grand haven]

@night kraken just hold the feed button dude

[night kraken]

Are you deadass 💀

[grand haven]

[grand haven]

Rune building is a scam + conjuring + cave
Why are we spending gems to most likely lose or gain no value
Welcome to gambling

[signal dragon]

welcome to ml

Downloaded this back in school 😭 state of the game now is crazy

[signal dragon]

Yeah they definitely manipulate it to be like this

Everything rng is extremely fraudulent

I think someone said they’ve pulled the game in some countries where they have to expose rng but idk

[signal dragon]

Yay I just got duplicate t3 and 4 chests yet again!!

[sharp fractal]

I get where you're coming from with suggesting a lower gem cost and yeah, that would definitely be better than what we have now, but honestly I think the bigger issue is that we shouldn’t be paying at all to remove or swap runes in the first place. Runes are a fundamental part of gameplay, not some luxury add-on. The game constantly pushes out new monsters, making older ones obsolete fast, and that naturally forces players to shift their best runes to stay competitive. So we’re not asking for anything extra, we’re just trying to use the tools we've already earned. Charging gems just to move runes we already own feels like paying to use our own progress, and it punishes active and strategic players for adapting to the game. At worst, it turns progression into a paywall, especially for free-to-play users who are already at a disadvantage. This isn’t something that would just be “nice to have it’s something that needs to change. If Social Point actually cares about balance and keeping the game fair, this kind of system has no place in it.

[signal dragon]

they literally don’t care about any of that they just wanna milk us of gems anywhere possible

[night garnet]

pfft

[worldly narwhal]

unfortunately socialpoint will never make runes removable for no gems

I had to come up with something realistic

sadly it will also never be added to the game

[sharp fractal]

I get what you’re saying and I understand why you went with a more realistic suggestion, but just because it probably won’t happen doesn’t make it any less unfair. It’s not right that we have to keep paying just to use something we already own. Runes are a core part of the game, not some bonus feature, and needing to pay gems every time just to move them feels like being charged to access our own progress. It’s not about convenience, it’s about basic functionality. Honestly, systems like this raise real questions about fairness and whether they even meet consumer standards, especially in places like the UK or wherever Social Point operates. It’s not just frustrating, it’s the kind of thing that makes the game feel pay-to-win and pushes players away.

[spring ether]

7 days is the perfect amount of time to hatch an ancestor and make it r5 without skipping

[grand haven]

A pity system for conjuring
that reminds me didn't the gacha system use to have a pity system back when the chances to get an ancestor was abyssmal?

[scarlet vector]

we dont need a pity system now that the chances are higher

[grand haven]

tbh yea

but it would be fun to have a pity system for the default conjuring

since the chances there are way lower

abyssmally lower actually damn 2*10^-5 chance to get an ancestor

[wanton orbit]

I don't think there was a pity system when the chances were low

The chances were boosted to 3% for an egg and 25% for cells, then a beta came out that gave the egg after 70 failed conjures, but the beta also had the odds lowered to 2.5% for an egg iirc

[clear stump]

Beta was during Primerion season iirc. Which was long after they made Ancestors uncraftable, iirc Baba Basheer was the first uncraftable, and they boosted the odds at the same time

[red magnet]

Ancestors are already easy to get. You're lacking skill.

[clear stump]

@wet tapir does this sidebar button not appear on pc?

[wet tapir]

never seen it
lemme recheck

[wet tapir]

its not there

[clear stump]

Intriguing

[wet tapir]

yes

[scarlet vector]

this is not a skilled based game

[worldly narwhal]

@ashen hazel

can you send your attack log

I think i know what might be the problem but im not sure

[ashen hazel]

sure give me a sec

[cobalt horizon]

@ashen hazel some teams would be immune to death countdown.

But that doesn't belong in feedback.

[red magnet]

It clearly is a skill-based game. You just late replied to something I said because you don't like me for whatever reason

[somber edge]

strategy

not skill

also, having more gems isn't skill, lol

[rich ingot]

ragebait used to be believable

[somber edge]

sorry but no too fun

[strange pond]

The question isn't can we do this, the question should be how many roulettle wheels would sp put in their implementation of this idea

[red magnet]

Fr, especially coming from Airashi

[rich ingot]

hypocritical

[worn patio]

fr ultimates have had mediocre animations for a long time, compare that to like the old legendaries and its rlly lackluster

[wraith mountain]

Coming from someone with a cursed account, ITS IS NOT EASY

[clear stump]

@scarlet vector , please use this channel for responding to anything you see in #submit-ideas

[red magnet]

Not sure what made you think that but whatever man.

[worldly narwhal]

@woven pasture

sorry

i pinged the wrong person

😔

@sacred pumice

every era has increased stats

this is so that you are forced to get the new monsters

few monsters from old eras are good

[wraith mountain]

So what a cursed account means:

1. I can’t progress the ancestor part because a certain cyclops goblin is waiting for me at room 3 and I want to strangle it to death and send him to Elvira’s judgement
2. Pandalf once gave me 0 cells PF hounen after 1600 tickets

[true elk]

@devout fiber please delete your feedback one emoji.

[scarlet vector]

role pls

[worldly narwhal]

@shell trellis this is a company server

[shell trellis]

Swear I was told a while back it was a community server

[worldly narwhal]

no its a company server

[true elk]

It’s both.

[shell trellis]

Thank you.

[scarlet vector]

@spring wing #recruit-members

[karmic fable]

Mlo chat theory is true

[normal prawn]

Wich theory?

[karmic fable]

Dead theory

[true elk]

@torn pewter Just so you know. I do ask for a one or two word feedback to be further explained. If you read the channel description it shows what should be placed there. I’m not an employee. So I can’t make changes to the game.

[strange pond]

@green goblet This is helpful i agree

My name is not that hard to spell man

[strange pond]

@normal prawn 100% yes, it is so damn monotonous to do the same dungeons week in week out, we really need more variety not just in in dungeon rewards but also in the dungeon formats. the same 10 nodes is exhausting to do.

[normal prawn]

[grand haven]

resource dungeons really should upgrade with your player level

[strange pond]

[strange pond]

Fr, a hard gold dungeon gives you 400k gold but requires level 70-80 mythicals at minimum. If you can get 3 mythicals and feed them up to 80 even a million gold isn't worth it in the dungeon

[vestal sable]

Am I the only one who doesn't want stamina/energy? (not the thing in combat, I mean the thing you spend in order to start a battle)

[strange pond]

We talking about dungeon/adventure map stamina or PvP?

or both?

[vestal sable]

Both, but mostly the dungeon/adventure map stuff because that's what I play most

[vestal sable]

But the pvp thing sucks hard

[strange pond]

Okay so here's my opinion. The stamina for dungeons/adventure mode, basically doesn't matter. It's just a soft lock to prevent you from bulldozing the whole thing in one sitting. A 10 min wait for a stamina isn't that bad

[strange pond]

Now here's the thing, in the current PvP system if you allowed infinite attacks, the only people who can make it to the next league are people who keep attacking non-stop meaning at higher leagues it would become impossible to progress without sweating to a stupid degree.

Now if they moved to a system where you just need x amount of trophies or whatever to get to the next league like almost every other game with a league system then yes infinite attacks is the way to go, as then your progress is dependent on your success alone and you aren't affected by other people's sweating or lack of sweating.

[loud raptor]

But wouldn't that cause overcrowding in top leagues?

[somber edge]

This would be a valid argument if you couldn't just purchase stamina via gemming chests to get infinite attacks

It's supposed to bait you into spending gems to get more attacks, that's the simple truth of the current system

[vestal sable]

I never thought of pvp energy that way, and that is a way of balancing it i guess. Now the pve energy system I still just find no reason for it to exist other than corporate greed, and that sucks because the actual combat is really fun(especially old duels with legendaries)

[strange pond]

That's a separate issue

I was speaking of an ideal case

[strange pond]

Could you elaborate on this?

[loud raptor]

Well if everyone can just spam attacks there is nothing really stopping anyone from getting to that league except having a team that is too bad for the highest league but right now the top 3 leagues have a minimal gap in power so al of those would get grouped together if you put the bar on a reasonable level and even more will join if you can just spam attacks

[grand haven]

The annoying thing is with the pvp change, the other in-game events that make you do pvp didn't, they still tally them as if you have unlimited attacks, so something like win 10 pvp battles in tales or 26 pvp battles to awaken the rune guardian feels extra tedious

[vestal sable]

Fax

[strange pond]

Honestly yeah, i think that sort of system would work better in a more balanced game where at least a big chunk of not the majority of monsters are on roughly equal footing. With current power creep you just need the recent monsters and you’re basically good

[cobalt horizon]

10 year loyalty has been suggested previously.

[signal dragon]

did it go anywhere tho 🙈🙈🙈🙈

when have we had a new positive addition to the game

[night garnet]

never, probably!

and i think the team knows that

[worldly narwhal]

@quiet folio many people arent only upset at the fact that they remodeled mosnters

its the fact that there are so many problems in the game and instead of addressing these problems they make a random model change no one asked for

[quiet folio]

thats fair yeah

its kinda sad that bugfixes and qol updates have not happened for awhile it kinda feels like cranking out new monsters for money is a main priority…

i like monster legends and i’d love to see it live up to its full potential but it really does need more attention than it gets

i hope someday maybe some things like feedback will be implemented but until then it kinda is sad

I love the lineages update though I will say that was a great change

just wish we had more stuff like it\

[weary flicker]

@wraith mountain it's not 25% it's predetermined, it's 100% on the floor where the game decides

[wraith mountain]

Then explain how do you get caught for 5 days in a row in THE SAME ROOM

[weary flicker]

because its 100%

[cobalt horizon]

@wraith mountain please read channel rules regarding repeating the same feedback. You posted the same a few days ago.

[wraith mountain]

Literally it’s 5 days in a row

And I’m finding it more and more suspicious

I posted the same feedback 4 days ago, and over the past 4 days, my suspicions had grown to a high amount that the game is deliberately trying to slow me down

Is it wrong to post my suspicions that has happened for the last 4 days?

[worldly narwhal]

you only do 1 run a day bro

you cant base it off of 4 runs

you can flip a coin and it lands on head 10 times

doesnt mean the coin is rigged

[grand haven]

eh it's happened enough times for me to doubt the way the cave is coded

[somber edge]

Psychological bias is a thing, and bad statistics is yet another thing

[weary flicker]

But it is rigged

[worldly narwhal]

its luck

[weary flicker]

No it is predetermined

That is known as rigged

Not luck

[night garnet]

ion think cave is predetermined

[strange pond]

predetermined doesn't mean rigged, the method of determination is rng

[cobalt horizon]

It doesn't matter whether the 25% is determined server side or via choice of pots, the odds are the same.

[weary flicker]

Ion?

[weary flicker]

The odds aren't the same though

[strange pond]

short for "i don't"

[cobalt horizon]

They are.

[weary flicker]

Once you load into the treasure cave the server then decides where your first skip should be

[night garnet]

are they really?

[weary flicker]

If it was on 17 then it would be 100%

[weary flicker]

Well you're wrong

I've got to 40 on one skip by clicking num 2 pot

[cobalt horizon]

You are guessing how it is done without any proof.

[night garnet]

how are you saying that i'm wrong when you don't have any solid evidence

[weary flicker]

There isn't a pattern

[weary flicker]

It would make no logical sense for there to be a pattern

[strange pond]

No one here said there was

[weary flicker]

Why don't you enlighten me on how it is done

[night garnet]

yeah because it is

random

[weary flicker]

We all know the cave is predetermined

[night garnet]

when things are

random

[cobalt horizon]

Rng

[night garnet]

there

isn't a pattern

because it is

random

[weary flicker]

Do you genuinely believe there is a 25% chance?

[cobalt horizon]

Yes

[night garnet]

oh not at all, but i also don't believe that it's predetermined

[cobalt horizon]

And I've done a lot of runs.

[weary flicker]

Why?

I've gone into the treasure cave in one run like 50 times and didn't get past 15 for 0 gems

[night garnet]

do you need me to whip out a college level thesis or something

[weary flicker]

Yes

I would like that

[night garnet]

well that's just moronic

[weary flicker]

How?

[night garnet]

because it's simple as saying you're unlucky

[weary flicker]

I guess most of the server is unlucky

[night garnet]

cool, glad we agree

[strange pond]

I'm with you that the cave is predetermined (as in the same run is always lockd in for specific trapped floors) But the method of determining those trapped floors is based on a 25% chance

[cobalt horizon]

Biased reporting of results.

[strange pond]

complaint bias, the ppl who get average results don't talk about it

[weary flicker]

Sure I think I understand

[night garnet]

hate to agree with a moderator but

yeah this is biased

[weary flicker]

Not even an employee 💔

[strange pond]

mamamonster isn't an employee she's a player

[weary flicker]

[strange pond]

[night garnet]

potato potato

[strange pond]

Can't argue with that

[weary flicker]

There are some "people" here that will talk about anything

[night garnet]

why did you put that in quotation marks

[weary flicker]

[strange pond]

Be real with me man, how many people do you see talking about their runs who got to floor 20 with 2 skips compared to the ppl who whine about getting trapped on floor 3

[weary flicker]

You do have a point

It is a much higher percentage

[strange pond]

Glad we could all come to an agreement

now back to gambling

[weary flicker]

Real..

[night garnet]

back to not playing the game

[somber edge]

...yes

Even if it was predetermined, it would be predetermined on a 25% chance of getting trapped basis

[cobalt horizon]

No feedback on leaks, thank you.

[quiet folio]

didnt wanna add it to general feedback because it'd probably get mass downvoted by pro players in seconds but imo legendaries and older mythics should be buffed by a good amount. nowadays only like 15 monsters are viable, all being unnaturally hard to get unless you fork over your money
mls competitive scene and enjoyability has decayed because there will be a new monster out every few months or days and it'll outshine anything from previous eras, it's a cycle where ANYTHING beforehand is useless

a level 50 mythic from a recent era can solo 3 rank 5 legendaries. it's really unfortunate and i hate to see it

i know this likely will never change because money has changed ml heavily, but... man the game's gone downhill since mythics were added.

i do not say any of this out of distain, i say it out of disappointment, because the era of legendaries was a really fun time! it felt nice, and it felt like the devs actually cared about the game rather than turning it to a money machine

obviously money would be on top back then but f2p players could get very far as well

[somber edge]

Ok but I don't see how 15 monsters being viable, all which are hard to get is relevant to old mythics and legendaries getting buffed

And yeah this is how powercreep works, and at the end of the day it's essential for the game to continue being fun

[quiet folio]

its relevant because nowadays the meta is so tight and changes rapidly, you constantly have to pay more and more
back in the legendary meta, many legendaries from different times were all very good

[quiet folio]

i get it but powercreeps gone TOO far

[somber edge]

Monster legends chooses to powercreep by means of stats over making more powerful skills

[quiet folio]

at a rapid rate aswell

[somber edge]

Think of the late legendaries

[quiet folio]

making every era have like

50k more stats

is ridiculous

[somber edge]

If they had the same stats they would crush most mythics and ancestors

[quiet folio]

im not saying same stats

[somber edge]

how far is too far

[quiet folio]

like. at a rate where anything from like 2 generations ago or earlier is unusable in high level play

[somber edge]

2 generations is already an year old

[quiet folio]

I understand that and I do not believe they should have the same stats but rather be buffed so that a rank 5 legendary does not lose to a level 50 mythic

because grinding rank 5 legendaries is not easy and its now a waste

i just think they should be buffed a bit to have

a chance

imagine something like

cosmic era or around then

[somber edge]

they still get stomped on

And legendaries are years old at this point so again that's how powercreep works, new is better

[quiet folio]

I understand that and agree new should be better

[somber edge]

wouldn't be very fun to have years old monsters dominating

[quiet folio]

i think power creep should slow down ig

[somber edge]

nor does it make sense from a business standpoint

[quiet folio]

thats my main point

[somber edge]

I agree as of late ancestors are absurdly powerful

[quiet folio]

i think i just kinda miss the old ml and thats the only reason i feel this way

it was always kinda. money=win but like

now theres more things to spend money on i suppose

[somber edge]

I do too

but we have to let go at a point 😦

[quiet folio]

thats fair

[clear stump]

@karmic fable isn't this just the Spirit trait?

Immune to all negative effects except trait disable.

Or are you suggesting Control and Torture can still bypass?

[karmic fable]

Control and torture still bypass

Basically immune to any other thing apart from torture, control, Td

I put except trait disable because trait disable is also a debuff effects and is an exception

[scarlet vector]

only one monster has the spirit trait. and it's a legendary

[clear stump]

there's also one with a virtue

[solid pike]

Only Totem has it as a trait and The King of Drip has it as a virtue. Quite a shame really but it’s still an absolutely busted trait

[honest oriole]

There’s still lots of epics and legendaries for them to use

And beginners usually get mythics within a week or so

[somber edge]

CoD lobby

[delicate hamlet]

I still think it’s better than the alternative

[wraith mountain]

@lyric coral let’s go through what they did for the event

1. Made a mid monster
2. Release a ticket cave which we didn’t ask for
3. Any birthday gifts?
   A proper anniversary for a game invokes giving back to the community by hooking everyone up with juicy rewards, that helps progression

[strange pond]

They also redesigned monsters that no one asked for

[scarlet vector]

r5 ancestor lamp deals 🥶🤑

[worn patio]

They also lowered the legendary cell costs in the event from 10 gems to 8 gems !!

Truly an amazing birthday present

[strange pond]

LEGENDRIES, the rarity that's been usless for almost 5 years now??! I'm so thankful for this gift i shall go and buy their legedns pass

[wraith mountain]

What I mean was what they give FOR FREE

Let’s use Honkai Star Rail as an example since they recently had their anniversary
30 free pulls (usually you need 90 for a guaranteed 5 star)
Loads of events for the game
Tripling resource drops
These are what we are given FOR FREE, NO COST AT ALL

Paid stuff
A bunch of login offers, restocking all the doubled rewards you’d get upon the first bundle purchase
Later on, A WHOLE GIVEAWAY for a paid item

What should SP give out? Maybe somewhere around 2k tickets
100 gems for everyone (let’s be honest 100 gems gets spent almost immediately in the high ranks)
A R0 ancestor of our choice (Just the conjuring of choice ones)
And maybe enough materials to get a current generation monster R3

[worn patio]

IKR see guys kraklex gets it

[loud raptor]

@crisp nova I made a spreadsheet with all mons that don't have a faction yet and what faction they could be added to and it is pretty clear to me that the faction that would give the most coverage would be a militaire/tech based faction set in elektra most of the mons that don't fit into that faction are already stated in lore to be part of another faction or just clearly belong in a certaind faction but just don't have the book
Also in the era saga's they often make you fight against different factions and the one group of militaire mons that you called glacial warriors is the only group of mons that are battled in era saga without being part of a faction

So if they add something it is probably that

[crisp nova]

Yes, most of the monsters are not found in any era book, some of them I noticed and fanatically created books based on them.

[signal dragon]

this acc outrageous why’s my BH filled with bots 😭😂

[lyric coral]

Only good thing this time is dr. Viktor during bh
But we used to have that ALWAYS till it was changed

[wraith mountain]

Yeah true, but my point is that anniversary events is when devs give back to the community

[lyric coral]

Every other game does give always or other cool rare stuff events for their birthday

We used to have decent things

[wraith mountain]

EXACTLY

[lyric coral]

We didn’t even get links for birthday chests this year

[wraith mountain]

Should all the whales just outright stop spending for y’all the devs to listen?

Like incog, TS, SA, BGBD

[lyric coral]

The whales are sadly not the ones that bring the most money to the game
And unfortunately boycotts never work. Trust

[wraith mountain]

How is it not the whales?

[lyric coral]

Whales are like a minority of the game

Mid range teams that want to improve are the ones that spend, watch adds, do tasks, and so on.

[wraith mountain]

Yeah they keep having delusions of number one…

[lyric coral]

They earn a lot from these things … specially monsterwood Ads

[wraith mountain]

But cutting the spending part probably does a big blow

Yeah we prob need half the game’s high end teams to do it

[lyric coral]

Let’s say the whole community nobody would buy anything for a month

They can just release a OP race monster which we can’t pass on and then you’ll see tons of teams doing 85- 200 laps

[wraith mountain]

When was the last time they made an OP race monster😂

[lyric coral]

Uriel probably

😂

[wraith mountain]

Uriel the divine😂

Exactly

[lyric coral]

Yeh

It’s a bit sad

[wraith mountain]

So we can outright stop spending and just make them lose a lot of money

[lyric coral]

I think they could easily make the community happy with removing rune slots closed
Or reduce the costs for hatching and crafting
These numbers are just outdated

[wraith mountain]

We can just aim for the basic 10 laps and call it quits

No need to go crazy on the lap counter

Imagine if all the teams only go for 10 laps

And we don’t buy their offers

[grand haven]

@sharp fractal Be glad it's even placed on BH now, it used to coincide with BH before SP decided to move it so that it wouldn't be easy to get the rewards. They clearly put it here now because they wanted to "reward the players" on their birthday month by reverting their decision for this special occasion.

[sharp fractal]

Nah I’m not glad of anything sod social point and their unfair events

[grand haven]

fair, I'm just saying this is the least unfair they're willing to go, you're not gonna get rewarded with something good without giving something back

[sharp fractal]

I never knew they did this on purpose for this event I just thought it was random and very stupid of them to not to have it running the full BH because it makes sense to with the challenge being so high at 50k points but if they have already said this is why it’s not running the full bh then fair enough still I don’t understand how they think it’s “fair” not a single one of their events is worth spending a single penny on playing their game should be enough but they are very greedy

[raw swan]

@cobalt horizon Can I ask why my idea was removed? Or should it be moved to feedback

[clear stump]

I deleted your message - it was related to monsters so doesn't belong in that channel rather #monster-ideas or #general-feedback , but it was also based on leaks. Leaks are unconfirmed unofficial information. The information you see there could be different to the final product, be delayed, or could be scrapped. So to leave feedback based on it is redundant

[raw swan]

What part of it do you believe to be from leaks?

Would also be considerate to copy it and dm it so it can be moved rather than retyped but that’s just me

[clear stump]

the part where you mentioned a monster only having NER in ult? unless i missed a just-released one

[raw swan]

Don’t believe I referred to a specific monster? Having NER in the ult isn’t new, for example, Visierion, and many others have it

It’s fine, not like they were gonna check it anyways

[karmic fable]

do you work for sp bro

[clear stump]

no, i don't

[karmic fable]

man they should actually give you salary ngl

[clear stump]

If they offered I'd refuse

Would rather not be tied to them like that

[red magnet]

Not like companies care about employees anyways

[grand haven]

they probably care, the playerbase not so much

[rich ingot]

and vice versa lol

98% of people who work don't even care about what or who they're working for as long as they're getting pay good

[tame coral]

u work for them for free

in this discord server moderating

[clear stump]

Wouldn't even call it working for them

[karmic fable]

bring back the old pvp 🙂

[somber edge]

the lab slots thing is just asking for free stuff lmao

They offered the token things a while ago

that was good

[sharp fractal]

Wdym asking for free stuff ?

[sharp fractal]

What did that do?

[honest oriole]

That’s not feedback

That’s a bug

Wrong channel that’s why they’re deleting it

[normal prawn]

Totally true. If we can get up to 10 tokens, we should be able to get more rewards

[strange pond]

EXACTLY, honestly i would prefer if they just did a flat watch 5 ads you get one token instead of the dumb rng, just to avoid cases where ppl get too many or too little tokens

And honestly the rewards are kinda sad too, the only good rewards here are the 200 gold tickets and 5 gems, which for an anniversary event is just pathetic man

[normal prawn]

Even seasonal chests were better rewards than those general tickets

In others Bday events we had special missions to get 100 gems and now we just get crumbs

[gaunt geyser]

@rocky heron because the game does not want you to just keep cycling your strongest monsters for defense and attack

its to make people have one single attack and one single defense team at a time, cause pvp would be ruined if you just keep cycling

[clear stump]

It isn't exclusive to gretchen

[normal drift]

Contact support I think

[fresh roost]

Tbf it's doing it alot to alot of people more recently, not just a few ppl

[clear stump]

I think they've just pushed out a bad patch, bc it's a lot more commonplace than it used to be

[strange pond]

@mint knot It isn't 50 tickets in your cave for the silver chest?

Like 50 is still very little but 20 is crazy man

[mint knot]

Its 50 I think, idk I got it mixed up

[strange pond]

Ah okay

But yeah man, 50 tickets is peanuts

[mint knot]

Its crazy cuz it's 10k for a Rank 5 ancestor

[strange pond]

How the hell are we supposed to get anything

[strange pond]

Exactly

[mint knot]

As a F2P player Ive been able to get over 10 rank 5 ancestors, I have all of them as well

A lot ranked up a bit

But never has it felt too easy

It feels like a real accomplishment, a lot of gems and resource management

What SP doesn't understand is that making things worse for F2P players, makes them worse for P2W players as well

The cave didn't get worse just for poors, it got worse for the whales as welll

[strange pond]

Yup

SP, so desperate to squeeze every last dollar is screwing everyone

[karmic fable]

I AM HAPPY GETTING 200 GEMS INSTEAD OF 1K TICKETS WITH 100 GEMS ITS A DOWNGRADE

[loud raptor]

No I already clarified it further, because currently you get 2k tickets in ticket cave I proposed to only change ticket cave while keeping monster cave the same if we where to get both depending on the day of the week

[true elk]

@cedar crypt we got a Cake Statue.

😋

[cedar crypt]

I want a profile picture tho:( one of the loyalty egg things but maybe purple instead of gold since 5 years was gold

And then if this game makes it to 20 years we can have a grey and orange one

Or at least a skelektron profile pic

I’m bored of my Chieftan Alarorc one

[true elk]

I understand.

[clear stump]

When was this? I think I missed it :(

If I grovel tosupport do you think they'll give me one 🤣

[true elk]

Can’t remember what we did to get it, probably log in. ☺️

[clear stump]

Argh dang it

[tiny turret]

It’s from the Level 100 island from what I can remember.

[clear stump]

oh?

oh wait i do have it

it's kind of sandwiched in between the 2014 master cake and 2017 master cake

[fresh roost]

Everyone who hasn't bought a pass yet gets it half off to incentivise them into buying it. After that first purchase it's back to £20 for them too. They're basically trying to make f2p waste their money lol

[normal drift]

Is it just in game cause I don’t see on webstore for ten

[fresh roost]

Yh it's just in game

[mighty tundra]

@karmic fable you’re confusing spirit with artifact

[karmic fable]

spirit does block everything, aside from positive effects
it includes tortures, controls, and trait disable
what their suggesting doesnt block tortures, controls, or trait disable

[mighty tundra]

“Immune to Debuffs
Category: Trait/Positive effects
Information :Immune to debuff effects (blind, daze, death countdown, Damage reduction, Guard down, Vulnerable etc. ) Except Trait disable”

Its only trait disable

EXCEPT trait disable

I dont see any “except tortures/controls”

[karmic fable]

if its immune to tortures and controls, why didnt it list any alongside blind, daze, death countdown, etc

[mighty tundra]

He just didnt list put any

He only said except trait disable

Nor did he say “and tortures/controls”

Besides blind is a control

Daze is a control

Everything that reduces accuracy is a control

[mighty tundra]

I think.

[karmic fable]

blind is not a control, nor is daze
its not blocked by Immunity to Control, therefore not considered a control

[mighty tundra]

I dont know for sure

[mighty tundra]

Either way he didnt say “except trait disable/tortures/controls”

To be fair

Due to bad wording

It can go either way

[karmic fable]

also it says "Debuff", not "negative effect"
Torture and Control have their own names. debuff is the everything else

[mighty tundra]

Good point, huh

[karmic fable]

told you
and what would the point of "Spirit but it doesnt block one negative effect" be

theres no reason to suggest slightly worse Spirit when we have Spirit

[low ocean]

You literally can

[karmic fable]

✨ nOpE yOu cAn'T ✨

[somber edge]

Is this goddamn AI

[clear stump]

Sooo we're chatgpting our feedbacks now

[hushed meadow]

I was gonna say the same thing, can we not use chatgpt for this

[short siren]

"creates a fairer ecosystem" bro what human talks like that

[red magnet]

Star Wars characters defending Ewok Village

[karmic fable]

😭

[karmic fable]

Holy Chat GPT

[scarlet vector]

@tiny turret random negative effects applied are debuffs, when old monsters apply random negative effects they only apply debuffs

[mint knot]

@loud raptor Stina won't work because you get double anticipationd, Dame cleanses the disable and Hounen gives evasion, now you've basically already lost

Anwir takes too long to kill Hounen, and Dame will just cleanse

[loud raptor]

Oh yeah forgot

[mint knot]

Evaris sucks in general, doesn't do enough damage

Kirk is a decent anti meta pick but he can't one shot who he needs to

Really only Charm Constrictor can counter that team comp, and even then you're counting on having better runes than the opponent.

And it's hard to have better runes since you have to run atleast 1 strength on Charm for her to do damage

Probably only Hounen Charm and Adaled is the correct comp for beating it Ig

But notice how 2/3 counters to the comp are just mirrored picks 💀

[loud raptor]

Valid critisism
But Evaris is not bad by any means
He might be bad compared to the recent insanely broken ancestors but all ancestors are and of these ancestors he is one of the best there is. His versatility is insane and I run him as a attacker on offence and he can definitly dish out some pretty decent damage

Other than that it is just a really hard team to counter

[mint knot]

The problem is, if "he is bad compared to the recent insanely broken ancestors", then he's just bad period 😭

[loud raptor]

Yeah but like I said very ancestor that isn't is bad

And question was on how to counter those

[mint knot]

Evaris shouldn't even be run as an attacker with how his stats are outdated, try running 3 team speed, keep denying and spamming evasion, and use him as an adventurer's essence holder and for his awakening res

[mint knot]

I feel you, it's tough though 😢

[loud raptor]

No I use it with diabolus and fishigami
It is res based team with fishigami + adven essence and evaris rightous essences
It is a very technical and stratigical team which makes really fun to play and actually makes it possible to counter almost anything if you actually stratagize and if the rune diffrence isn't too big

But it does take a bit of time too think of counters and mons like adald and akira aren't a problem anymore but the really recent ones I am missing a strat for

[mint knot]

Yeah Hounen and Dame are messed up

[loud raptor]

Btw I just realised they also recently released the perfect anticpation counter

Florian has a skill where he gains cold blood disabals anticipation revmoves cold blood from himself and gets extra turn

So if there is only one anticipation you can shut them down without fail

[delicate hamlet]

Yeah but everyone who is really comp is running double anti so it won’t work

[mint knot]

Yeah, I use Florian. I have no issue dealing with single anticipation, but specifically the combo of Dame+Hounen+Adaled feels WAY too strong

[tiny turret]

Do we like buy legends pass for 1000 gems?

😭👀

[true elk]

@marsh fiber constructive feedback please.

[cedar crypt]

Evaris isn’t there to deal damage lol

He’s best used as a team speed holder with an adventures essence as a fall back for wars

[mint knot]

You can read further, I advocated for him to be used how you described in your video

Even though that's what he does best, it's still an overall niche role. Plus the original argument was using him as a cold blood attacker

[cedar crypt]

My bad didn’t see that I jsut read the one big message

Definitely niche tho yeah

The game just lies about the roles of monsters sometimes like calling graciel a tank when he’s a support Evaris is just another example of the devs not knowing what role their monsters will take on once they get added into the game

[mint knot]

Also I dig your content man keep it up, we need more actual ML youtubers unlike MG who's just a yapping whale

[cedar crypt]

Thanks bro means a lot to me🖤yeah I really strongly dislike him both for his opinions on the game and for the allegations against him I find it silly that the YouTuber leading the charge in guiding players isn’t even competitive or knowledgeable on the game his recent top 10 ancestor list video showed that I don’t want to build my platform for hate of another creator but I really dislike him

[mint knot]

Evaris originally was somewhat more geared to being an attacker, he had high damage and damage boosting skills, along with one of the best offensive relics in the game

Graciel is a tank in theory, his stats and awakening suggest that, but his moveset is completely geared towards supporting so that's just more of a case of SP not designing the monster properly. I honestly believe some of his skills should apply evasion to the team but remove it from himself

[mint knot]

I also despise MG. I miss Valentine but he was so based he quit the game 💀

[cedar crypt]

Lowkey I thought valentine seemed chill I feel like we could’ve gotten along I didn’t watch him much tho but he seemed infinitely better than MG I miss armour gaming the most he seemed like such a sweet guy and he was actually knowledgeable on the game and was a good player

[mint knot]

Armor was great

Val was very knowledgable

Incredible how the 2 best youtubers we had, who were good specifically cuz they were smart, were so smart they quit the game lol

Only reason I still play is because funnily enough Ancestors are probably the first time ever that the best monsters in the game are realistically obtainable for F2P players like myself. Atleast with the old cave it was.

And I mean obtainable as in you can get them to rank 5 in a reasonable amount of time

9k cells is CRAZY when from Legendary onwards being R5 is the bare minimum for being viable

[leaden gate]

He was chill but Last I talked with valentine was not chill at all💀

[cedar crypt]

It’s sad man I’m trying my best to fill that void in the community but at the end of the day I’m just kinda doing it for fun so there’s only so much I can do content wise

[cedar crypt]

I’d heard people say he was very toxic I never saw it personally but I’m not surprised he seemed chill to me but yeah I didn’t watch him for long at all before he quit

[mint knot]

I have a couple of ideas for content I'd make if I was in your shoes, Ive wanted to do ML content before

[mint knot]

People probably said he was toxic cuz he was very publicly a hater of MG lmao

[cedar crypt]

DM me bro

[mint knot]

Aight for sure

[cedar crypt]

I’d love to hear your ideas

[leaden gate]

Yep he was toxic

[cedar crypt]

Nah I’ve seen people who also also dislike MG saying he was toxic

I won’t speak it on much tho cause idk the details

[leaden gate]

Become Mr beast "I am giving 1m dollar to the first guy who beat murky"

😂

[cedar crypt]

Counter offer I can do $10 CAD

I need my money for my ML addiction

[leaden gate]

Nah I was joking lol

[leaden gate]

14s 14s!

[loud raptor]

@vague plinth would this trait be something given to mons like Barbatos and Nischant or to the ancestors?

[vague plinth]

Maybe

[red magnet]

Loved Armor. I would only watch his content and feedbacks.

[signal dragon]

He still plays 👀

Nvm bro quit again after hounen

[mighty tundra]

whos gonna tell him

[clear stump]

@sour pebble this is already a setting you can toggle for any purchases above 20 gems

[cedar crypt]

Valid😂

Good time to quit

Multiplayer after hounen is an absolute joke

[wraith mountain]

It really is, I’ve been winning so many defenses after getting him it’s not even funny, they really should start buffing old monsters

Theres no need for like move changes, just stat increases, maybe up to Historia era or Feral Era

[cedar crypt]

I don’t like that idea at all

Make stuff too complicated and it’s just unnecessary

They can buff historia and feral monsters and it won’t change the meta aside from making charm even stronger lol

[wraith mountain]

What I meant was buffing older generation like OG all the way to Multiverse to have Historia stats

They need up to date stats

Uriel is barely hanging on because of his support capabilities and his ability to hold demonic pact

Think about it, we’re there old generation monsters you want to use but can’t because of their outdated stats?

[strange pond]

Fleimgard 😔

[wraith mountain]

He’s just useless bc of the status caster being activated on his first turn

For me it’s prob gonna be from old Eras

[strange pond]

I was never there to see sc at full strength 😢

They shd revert the sc nerf exclusively for Fleimgard

He deserves it

[signal dragon]

@dusty jetty it doesn’t need to be the devs 😭 but what’s a comm manager even doing

All we get are some off base georgelato vids for the bday

[short siren]

Literally me

Kernel pip my beloved, powercrept to oblivion

Faymalice, so many mons do the dark controller job better

So many great designs that can't be used anymore 😭

[signal dragon]

oh yeah and they removed lvl 12 runes + cells from cave 🤣

constant hits to gameplay experience, literally no new events or positives for the playerbase. there’s no way they acc work and get paid for it

[signal dragon]

@pastel fractal don’t be slow

[karmic fable]

@mighty tundra that will make coldblood too op

But It also mak sense

It make sense ,but to prevent anwir death countdown them ,that's a no from me

[mighty tundra]

Too op? Baby reversion is barely used and the last monster i remember using it was kat-herine

[karmic fable]

Random control

Also that allows anwir to apply death countdown to them which is so annoying ,ykwim right

[loud raptor]

Yeah but can't he do that with every control?

What makes it more broken than aplying mega timestop and death countdown?

[mighty tundra]

Also very rare

Besides cold blooded ignoring baby reversion is in character

A cold blooded man WOULD kill a baby if he had something greater than said baby to gain

For example: 45.6 million won

[clear stump]

There's been monsters using it since Kat-Herine, it's not commonly seen but I don't think making Cold Blood stronger to counter it is necessary

[somber edge]

what even is the point in this

you could literally remove baby reversion from the game at present and it would make no difference whatsoever

[honest oriole]

Baby reversion is good against mt

And primerion uses it

[somber edge]

and literally no one uses primerion

not a soul uses him

he is completely forgotten

[honest oriole]

😔

[short siren]

Ancestors being powercrept just feels so wrong

[cedar crypt]

I disagree

Mythics are viable just not all of them

Charm, jock, neuro and kaliber are all great in multiplayer

Lumoona and galvanus were dominating defence teams before dame came out

And this is in high level multiplayer btw

And for wars mythics are even more viable there’s TONS of effective strategies and team comps to be made with mythics in wars

I think you need better wifi bro😂

[grand haven]

The problem is those mythics are basically the top of their game, comparable to something like late legendaries right before mythics took over. The only good mythic attackers are the ones with Pierce, the good supports are the ones with such a loaded moveset, traits and relics that they were already top of the game during their era. Tanks are completely dominated by the two mega taunt ancestors, controllers and cursers are dominated by ancestors simply because they are way faster, even the supports you mention are being replaced by hounen and dame as we speak. Plus, it's not like mythics are viable because they're better than ancestors, they're better because they just happen to conform perfectly to the current meta, and they haven't been outperformed by another ancestor. Only like 2 or 3 out of 50 mythics they release each era are relevant, and at most 10 out of 50 if we're talking about wars.

[wraith mountain]

I have a very stable connection+ stable wifi ty

I spent 4 hrs trying to get in to do my attacks btw

Unstable connection? Yeah right

[cedar crypt]

I do agree that having the vast majority of mythics not be useable sucks I wish they made more mythics actually good I will say tho on the tank thing most mythic tanks are actually useable just cause of taunt obviously some are way better than others but tanks specifically often age really well at the end of the day the vast majority of the monsters in the game are war monsters and TONS of mythics are amazing war monsters I mean mythics just can’t really compete with ancestors considering stat gaps + awakenings + traits that evolve to rank 5 I do wish there were more good ones but we do have plenty of amazing mythics in game people just tend to overlook them because they’re overshadowed by ancestors

[cedar crypt]

Idk what to tell you man mine loads fine lol

[wraith mountain]

Only logical explanation is game hates me

[somber edge]

they will just never use this I guess

[cedar crypt]

Agreed

I’ve found a nice alternative is to contact support in game

I often do that when reporting bugs and when I have general feedback stuff

Then you can guarantee a dev actually seeing it at the very least

Annoying thing is when you report a bug they make you screen record it and put it in a google doc and share it with them… that’s why I often don’t report the bugs anymore cause it just straight up gets annoying

[red magnet]

Honestly, with this type of reporting style, I really hope there's not a single scrape of AI reading and responding in default. And I say this because its a common trope on some gaming or non-gaming platforms (nowadays at least)

Plus that extremely random review pop up that endlessly asks "Are you enjoying our game" - as if we're being interrogated through a jail cell, should be fixed. That can easily be in the Support setting at any given time if there is feedback needing to be given. The problem is that innovation doesn't direct our feedback or necessarily get read.

I would assume it does get reviewed. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[cedar crypt]

I never thought of that… could totally be AI but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume it’s not it’s definitely a possibility tho

I have no reason to assume that it is so I won’t but yeah you never know tbh

I’ve had a few decent convo’s with them on there so I know at least some of the messages aren’t AI I sometimes hit them up about ideas I have for the game and just like stuff I think they could implement

[strange pond]

@karmic fable do you mean for how often the tokens can get collected?

Or like for the resetting of the whole event

[karmic fable]

i meant that the cooldown between the challenges

@strange pond

[strange pond]

Like for when the next tales will show up?

You can see that from the event board

[fresh roost]

Probably the reset times on the collections

[strange pond]

I thought it was that

But he's phrasing it really weirdly

[fresh roost]

Yh lmao

[karmic fable]

idc

[strange pond]

If it's the collection timer you want look at the little blue lines under each of the collection thingies

[karmic fable]

noo i know that but it doesn't tell how much time left for it to reset to full again

[strange pond]

Rule of thumb all tokens take 8 hours to fully fill the whole bar

[karmic fable]

i also know that its 8 hours to reset but there should also be a timer

[strange pond]

Ahh okay

I get you now

[karmic fable]

who is going to remember the time when they did the challenges last time

[strange pond]

You could write it somewhere

I do that

[karmic fable]

nahhh bro

[fresh roost]

Or set a timer on your phone

[strange pond]

Or take a screenshot

[karmic fable]

it should be a in game feature not gonna lie

[strange pond]

There's many options

While that would be nice, it would be kinda clunky to integrate into the ui i feel

Besides that's like the only part of these events that involves thinking so i don't really wanna lose that

A timer for the maze coins thing would be great

[karmic fable]

give me my

[strange pond]

Sure i guess

[karmic fable]

so i think it should be not integrated in front of the ui

it should be like the integration of activations left of The Guardians with an i button it should be like this

@strange pond

[strange pond]

Okay, i can agree with that

[grand haven]

@void wigeon the trait isn't working?

[void wigeon]

The hater isn’t working

It’s not 3x damage

[grand haven]

💀

have you tried fighting a monster in the mechanical book?

[void wigeon]

Yes

[grand haven]

mek hanor didn't even have books when he got released

[strange pond]

I'm still dissapointed they didn't put him in abominations

[void wigeon]

Probably bc mecanical is usually a book

[strange pond]

The lower level players would literally never be able to kill that

[rich ingot]

classic sp punishing their players for playing their game

[sleek root]

Yall started to do reverse pyschology to sp😂😂

[true elk]

Yes, silly.

[lean kelp]

Bring back giant Torog

[livid cave]

This ^

On a more serious note, I would absolutely love the design team experimenting with comically small and huge designs I think it'd be really cool and make designs more memorable

Like imagine if chuckle muckle were actually a tiny tooth fairy

Or the mountains like ours and cryocrawler were huge

[strange pond]

They had to nerf his size so he wouldn’t overshadow ouros

[wanton orbit]

I think that the canon size of monsters hasnt ever been/will never be reflected in battle

Actually I haven't seen any not-normal-sized monsters outside of era sagas in general

[cedar crypt]

I completely agree

All the ancestors ult’s are so boring and basic

They used to make such cool and interesting ult’s

[strange pond]

You know funnily enough

Proud lionell has a cool looking ult

So does Kaliber but that is expected

Kaliber is goated

[lean kelp]

Jump into air
Poorly animated cutscene of nuclear huffing and sneezing
Face laser
End ultimate

Every recent ancestor Ult has looked like this except Evaris and Geneza

The GOATs

[red magnet]

Elvaris is built different. SS tier ult alone

[short siren]

And don't forget the many mythic ults where they just do a sometimes cool animation just to summon their baby versions to attack

It's so lame

[red magnet]

SocialPoint needs to bring back the Persona-esque ultimate animations the original Generals were given where they have an artistic pop-up, individual SFX for their character personality and used a sweet attack animation.

[visual ledge]

@latent hedge charm should be in shop next bh

[grand haven]

Wanting SP to take monster ideas from #monster-ideas in the big 25 🥀

[clear stump]

Not to rain on your parade, but Sir Valgar exists

Also Learnatta was designed by a member of the community, which was not much more than 2 years ago

Funny throwback to the incident of a design a monster winner being disqualified btw

[true elk]

I wish I could read it clearly. 🤔

What is the feedback. More like a kind of statement.

[lean kelp]

I'm still convinced none of his skills came from the community

[wraith mountain]

@wicked apex and don’t forget the AI, adding shields is ok, but make the AI smart, this hunt would have been fine if the fugitive killer used shield breaker turn one, then the setup and finally the kill move, and can we also make ancestors not use ultimates?

[mighty tundra]

sir valgar was only design made

none of his skills were made by the comunity

community

[clear stump]

Introducing ⚜️ SIR VALGAR!⚜️

We know he’s from the RIGHTEOUS COURT and a LIGHT ATTACKER, but the rest of qualities are totally up to you!

⚜️ Help us choose his Traits, Relic slots and Skills.

[mighty tundra]

huh

[scarlet vector]

yeah, sp probably chose his skills in the end

with their reputation it's almost certain

[grand haven]

yea tbh sir valgar did not felt like his traits, relic slots and skills were picked from this server at all

that's because this server really wanted him to be OP

I saw SC: Pierce, Dodge Area, Anticipation, Bulwark r0, Damage boost as a trait

[scarlet vector]

yeah and that was 4 years ago, so I don't really see Isabelle's point

[clear stump]

The point being the event was held with the move ideas being requested from the community, and it was held after Wyrmlad

[signal dragon]

Does the community manager even doing anything

[rich ingot]

yes, pinging the entire server for a new monster that no one cares about

[grand haven]

but still, SP actually taking a monster from #monster-ideas and implementing it is wishful thinking 🥀

[strange pond]

Almost 5 months I’ve spent in this community I don’t think I’ve ever seen this much united hatred for one change

Come on people if enough of us start complaining they have to listen eventually

[sharp fractal]

I’m pretty sure everyone in here has complained the devs hate us all 😂

[wraith mountain]

If everyone stops buy in their stuff, not do tasks and watch ads, they will start to listen

[somber edge]

literally a thing

they just straight up ignore it

[rich ingot]

boycotting ml.. never seen that before

[clear stump]

That being said, this does exist too

[rich ingot]

or do yourself a favour by blocking darkchabel. work wonders for me

[grand haven]

last time i saw this happened, rusd was still a thing

[rich ingot]

coa becoming true was the biggest tragedy for this game

[strange pond]

Wdym?

[lean kelp]

When using discord search, none of his skills or skill names came from here

Traits and Relics could've, but that's just cuz there's like 9 relic options and he was bound to have Bulwark again

[lean kelp]

Before CoA we had RUSD which was basically the same as CoA but no rank restrictions and 5x the resources
They deleted RUSD to release a general CoA cuz there was too much RUSDs only to remove general CoA and release 1 CoA per era again only this time with said rank restrictions and garbage rewards

[strange pond]

I have no words left

How did the game even survive that kind of thing

[somber edge]

read up everybody complained about that 😭

[mighty tundra]

heh, think again, all they want is Money

[fresh roost]

@sharp fractal it uses whatever u had set while attacking the person for revenges

[signal dragon]

Yeah you gotta set a stronger defence when atking

[cedar crypt]

People were complaining about it all day in the same chat that you said this in lol

Saying “how has no one complained yet” without scrolling up was a bit silly

[tiny turret]

Ragebaiting Semi-Final boss 🔥🔥🔥

[modest hinge]

Obviously sp wants money and making megataunt at R5 is a way to do that do people need to max the Ancestor and till R4 148 megataunt tanks don't make a lot of difference. If they add taunt people will not go all out for R5 as they will be bit useful even with lower ranks. So my summary is megataunt tanks are literally the most money they could make

[rich ingot]

diversity isn't their strong suit

[cedar crypt]

I really dislike your first idea that defeats the whole point of making attack and defence teams

[wraith mountain]

I think it’s just like this: when I’m not online, I push the button and my attack team to defense mode

[strange pond]

If we did that then everyone would be running their best three for attack and defense, I feel that would kill what little variety exists in PvP

[somber edge]

A lot of people do that anyways tbf

[strange pond]

A lot but not all

If you made team switching a thing

At that point just remove attack and defense teams and have one single pvp team

[wraith mountain]

Nono, for examples I’m running charm Hounen and Dame on attack, I’m done with PvP and have to wait, I press the switch button and my attack and defense team switches

[oblique summit]

DELETE YOUR GAME

[loud raptor]

Yeah the easy switch is stupid. You should need atleast 6 mons to fill your teams and constantly switching your best mons around is a pathetic move.
Luckily sp wouldn't do that
For example they made a change (about a year ago I believe) that when you Revenge you battle their defence team at the time they fought you so if they don't have an actual defence team they are getting washed everytime someone revenges
So sp clearly doesn't like it when people do this which is a good thing

[mighty tundra]

wrong channel bud

[oblique summit]

will they read if i send in da right chnl

[clear stump]

If you think it should be deleted, you can uninstall it from your device
Otherwise you're wasting your time

[leaden gate]

@dense scarab delete your message in #general-feedback

[livid cave]

This is part of the reason why feedback is almost never taken seriously 💔

[cedar crypt]

And that NER monster is easily accessible to everyone lol I strongly dislike this idea it completely kills talents and older monsters

[fresh roost]

They're already mainly dead thanks to stat creep, don't completely cremate them 😭

[strange pond]

Please don’t kill demonic pact before i get to use it

[wraith mountain]

Nah DP can force the AI to Ner the next turn and you can wipe all the effects next turn

When I do PvP, I use Uriel Hounen and Charm, when there’s a dame, she sets up with the NER and I usually awaken turn 2 and use last sounds to PER

[mighty tundra]

you really think SP is going to give a single [REDACTED] about this entire category?

[livid cave]

no not really 💔

still it really doesn't help when useless feedback like "you suck lol" appears because then that gives them a reason to ignore this channel further

[mighty tundra]

its been like this for like, a few years now

ever since Santerion 2 Earth Boogaloo got added, its been going down hill

[tiny turret]

This is not even beta testing anymore. This is a permanent feature 🙄

[cedar crypt]

Brother you can press on it to see the exact time while I do agree it was an extremely dumb and unnecessary change you can in fact still check the exact time your chest has left by clicking on the chest

[mighty tundra]

@austere flume not here

if you dont have the monster vault then get it